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And thanks to the fact that the Epstein Files Transparency act was least, we know that Andrew Man Bouton Windsor didn't say Prince, former Duke of York, was actually sending classified information as trade envoy for the United Kingdom, a role that his mother put him in, the Queen of England, to Jeffrey Epstein when he was a convicted sex offender. And that actually their relationship existed much longer than 2010 when he said he went to. Went to New York to tell Jeffrey, I can't be your pal anymore. Sorry, bud. Yeah, that's obviously not the case, and I think we all knew it. But it really is thanks to the files being released, thanks to the hard work of the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein, that we're even starting to get a fuller picture of what happened. And you know, now you know what we're seeing across the world. Poland, investigating Epstein's close ties to Russian expats. Obviously Peter Mandelson, who was the UK Ambassador to the US trying to have a. Having a financial relationship with Jeffrey Epstein removed from his post. The leadership of Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister of the uk, hanging in the balance with many of his aides stepping down, being the fall guys around him. Andrew arrested a royal in line who was actually in line to the throne. Arrested. I mean, we haven't seen anything like this in decades. Okay, not decades. Centuries. I don't even. I don't know. I'm not a royal expert, but I've been listening to some this morning and they have no examples except like Prince and Prince and Princess Anne and some parking tickets. But this is serious and it threatens, it really threatens the monarchy, which is hanging by balance because the monarchy is based in trust. You know, that is what this is all about, is the trust that the people feel for the crown and they represent the country that's why being the trade envoy was such a big position. And here he is taking classified information that could enrich Jeffrey Epstein and frankly harm the economy of the British people and handing it over to this convicted sex offender. And so we're going to go through all of that and more. And I see you're sending some questions in. And please, please keep doing it. I see Jessica says maybe Pam Bondi can learn from this. Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, if there's a press conference today and Pam Bondi had to answer questions, I think the first question would be, why are we seeing, why are we seeing some action towards justice in other countries and nothing in the United States? You know, President Trump's always like, I'm exonerated. I'm exonerated. That's what the Epstein files prove. Not that there are so many more leads that haven't been explored and still need to be explored. So thank you to everyone who has shown up. I just want to go over what he's been arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office. That is what the police said. That is why they arrested Andrew M. Mountbatten Windsor. Now, let's not forget that there have been allegations that he used Scotland Yards and his security to try to get information on a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein who accused him of abuse. I personally, in my interviews with survivors of Jeffrey Epstein, they remember meeting Prince Andrew. One of them said she remembered a puppet grabbing, that he was holding a puppet that was grabbing her breasts and that they were sitting on his lap. And, and he was just, it was all fun and folly. And as you can see from all of the emails that have been leaked, you know, Prince Andrew was very much aware of what his pal Jeffrey Epstein was about, what his modus operandi was. It was about women, young girls. And, you know, this is, this was a huge part of his life. This was his friend. And this was his way of, you know, making high level contacts, traveling around the world without having to pay for anything. Because as we know, the monarchs don't like to pay for much and to live this high flying lifestyle as a playboy while also being covered by the British monarchy. So King Charles iii, his brother, issued a statement saying that he learned, quote, with the deepest concern of the arrest of his youngest brother and stressed that the law must take its course. And it's interesting because, you know, the crown, when they're asked about this, whoever it is, Kate or Prince William, they often, you know, turn to the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein because that's all they can do. They Know what a stain this is on the country, on the, on, on all of them, you know. So that is what we are going through right now. I'm going to get you some more information and answer some of your questions. Thank you to everyone who's joined. Thank you. Of course, everyone who has been supporting this channel as we keep reporting. I mean, like, that's the thing for so many people who want this story to go away. It's like this story is bigger than Watergate. The files have proven that these connections are deeper. And the lies, the lies from public officials all the way at the top. You know, like Prince Andrew and like Howard Lutnick, the commerce Secretary said, I went to his house once. My wife, they were neighbors, by the way. Nothing else. He was creepy. We walked out and now we know that he was trying to go to the island with his family. And then Elon Musk, you know, the files are going to destroy Donald Trump. Jeffrey Epstein's dirty blah, blah. Jeffrey. I want to see girls, girls, girls, girls, girls. Can I come to the island? This is like on Christmas. I mean, all of these guys have just been lying about their relationships with Jeffrey Epstein. Why is Dr. Oz inviting him to a Valentine's Day party in 2016 after he was arrested in 2008? So many questions. Fergie, who, you know, distanced herself but then apologized for it. Fergie is the Duchess of York, for those who don't know, that was the former, the ex wife, excuse me, of Andrew and you know, wanting money for her charities. It's just, it's all so convoluted and disgusting. You know who I really. I tried to get Andrew Lowney on the show, if you remember him. We had a really great conversation with him about his book entitled About Prince Andrew. And a big part of it is about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein because it is so integral as part of his life. And you know, this is this. His book is incredible. Although passages of it have not been published in the U.S. i'm not even sure that it has been published in the US yet because he makes allegations that draw in the President Melania Trump Epstein, how they have may have met and the publishers decided not to publish it. That's the fear around public around this story. So let's keep going. I do want to tell you a little bit more about this arrest. Officers were pictured arriving at Mount the mountbatten Windsor's home at Sandringham. So he had to leave some of the royal residences when he lost his. You know, I think it was A flat he had in London when he, when he first lost his title over the summer. But it's King Charles's estate in Norfolk and it's, it's still very beautiful. I mean, it's not like he's living in poverty. He doesn't really still, you know, has a stipend. Money he gets from the British public. Police previously said the force was reviewing allegations that a woman was trafficked to the UK by Jeffrey Epstein to have a sexual encounter with Mount Batten Windsor. She claims also that she got a tour of the, the Palace, Buckingham palace afterwards. Interesting, right? And the claims also include that he shared sensitive information with Jeffrey Epstein while serving as the UK's trade envoy. So how long can they really hold him? Well, in England and Wales, police can hold suspect in most cases for up to 24 hours before they have to formally charge the person with a crime or release them. The longest that Andrew could be held is 96 hours. I think it's worth noting that today is Andrew's birthday. Hey guys, I want to tell you about this brand that I discovered even before they became sponsors of the Tara Palmary show. It's called Quince. And if you're seeing me wearing a silk top on the show, it is most likely from Quince because they really make elevated, quality, effortless clothing that is perfect for layering, mixing. It's helped me build a timeless wardrobe and it cuts out the middlemen. So the prices are not that high. You are not paying for brand markup. They go to safe, ethical factories and what you get in exchange is high quality clothing with beautiful silhouettes and thoughtful details. And it's the kind of stuff that you can wear every single day. It's made to last. It's not just silk. 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Suspects do not have to pay to be released on police bail like in the United States, but they are required to return to the station for further questioning. When asked. I wonder if he is now unable to leave the country because of this. We'll have to figure that one out too. So he's been charged with. Well, not charged yet, but he's been arrested under suspicion of misconduct in public office under English law. So what does that mean? It is, quote, serious willful abuse or neglect of the power or responsibilities of the office held. And so there must be a direct link between the misconduct and an abuse of those powers or responsibilities, according to the Prosecution Service guidance. Now going on trips around the world to Singapore, Vietnam as trade envoy and then forwarding that information to Jeffrey Epstein. Sure sounds like it. But we'll see what the police come up with. I think there's going to be a lot of pressure on them to really deliver in this case because it is so high profile. But again, information we wouldn't know if not released through the Epstein Files Transparency act, which the survivors so pushed for, to get this information that we now know from Epstein's emails, he sent this to Prince Andrew. I mean, there's a lot of stuff in the Epstein Files Transparency act that we now see. Picture of Prince Andrew, like his body over what looks like a young woman. Obviously blanked out. She's considered a victim or she wouldn't have her face redacted. Not standing over, like on his hands and knees over her. There's just so much in there to be look through and we haven't even seen it all. We've only seen 3.5 million files, most of it redacted, 2.5 being withheld for national security reasons and in some cases to protect the victims. As we know, a lot of it is redacted and redacted for reasons that are absurd. Like when Thomas Massie found out that they redacted the name of a sultan from the Emirates, who was asked, who told Jeffrey in an email that he liked the torture videos. He no longer has his job because of that. But still, why was that redacted? He wasn't a victim. National security. Which leads me to question, what else do they have in these Files that we're not seeing the 2.5 million that relate to national security, Is it in some way covering up what Andrew may have been up to? Are they protecting the crown and the special relationship with the uk? We'll never know, will we? It's also we're really trusting this Justice Department that there are only 6 million bottles. Same Justice Department who has not moved forward at all to prosecute anyone else in this case outside of Glenn Maxwell. Okay, I'm getting my producer Eric involved so that I can start answering your questions because it's a bit difficult for me to see them on the screen myself. The screen is a bit small for me. Oh, now I can see them. Have you seen anything in the files suggest Epstein was either left or right? These people seem beyond what is thought of as political. They would they win no matter. Now, Epstein was a Democrat. Epstein supported Democrats throughout his career and not career. What am I saying? I mean, he was a con artist. I wouldn't call that a career. But yes, he tended to support Democrats, although as we all know, he was friends with Donald Trump when Donald Trump was a Democrat who also donated to Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer at the time. So that was Epstein's political persuasion, although I think power, money, access went above all of that. And, you know, he really started to gain influence during the Clinton years. He was very close with the Clintons, but when he was arrested and served time in prison, it was during the George W. Bush administration. He hired Ken Starr and Jay Lefkowitz, Minister prime, prominent Republican attorneys, to handle the case. And it went all the way up to the Attorney General in the Bush administration, and they were able to work out some sort of deal. So I think he really rises above party. It's about power, money, access, and possibly blackmail. DOJ keeps deleting files they put out regarding Trump. What a surprise. But this should tell you a lot. Yeah, I think at this point we have to rely on other countries to actually get down to the bottom of this. Isn't that sad? Yeah, it is pretty pathetic, actually. I want to go back to the. The case against Prince Andrew for a second. Sally says, proud of my country today. Lock him up. Come on, us. Pull up your finger. That's. That's great. Thanks so much, Sally. In this context, in this legal context, though, willful abuse or neglect means deliberately doing something which is wrong, knowing it was wrong or reckless, or with reckless indifference as to whether it is wrong or not. Do you think that Andrew passed on this information to Jeffrey Epstein with reckless Indifference as to whether it was wrong or not. Also, a woman being trafficked to him by Jeffrey Epstein. Do you think that was with willful indifference or knowing wrong? Knowing it, it would be wrong. So the offense carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment and it can be tried only on indictment. Wow. So we might have a trial trial against Andrew. Now, I don't know the laws in the UK and whether these trials are always in front of a camera or not, depending on the court, but I hope that is televised. Maybe I'll have to go to the uk, you guys, what do you think about that? And I'll cover it. I think that Andrew should be called into our Congress to have to testify as well. He was on my list of people that I would like to hear from. I put that out in the latest, my latest video, you could call it on Jeffrey Epstein. My latest report on YouTube. It is called the Epstein Witnesses. Congress was afraid to call and I, I name Andrew and I said he wouldn't come because remember Virginia Giuffre, who accused Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew of raping her when she was 17 years old? You know, she called Andrew to testify to come. She subpoenaed him and instead he paid her a dramatic settlement of over $10 million. Rather than come, of course, he said he never met her before. He also had this. He said the picture that they had of the two of them was fake. And he made this very, very, very, very, very bizarre statement when Virginia said she remembered going to a nightclub with him. I mean, Virginia had such precision about the night that she met Jeffrey at Prince Andrew and how Glenn Maxwell told her, do to Prince Andrew what he. What. What you do for Jeffrey. And she remembered the clothes. Like she took her out to buy her a Burberry outfit so that she would look good for the prince. Right. She'd met Andrew a few times after that. But take a listen to Andrew's response to when Virginia said that she remembers going to a nightclub with him. I forget the name of the club, but Virginia remembers it and that he was sweating while he was dancing. This is Andrew's excuse. This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Fiscally responsible financial geniuses, monetary magicians. These are things people say about drivers who switch their car insurance to Progressive and save hundreds. Visit progressive.com to see if you could save Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates. Potential savings will vary. Not available in all states or situations. There's a slight problem with the sweating because I have a peculiar medical condition which is that I don't sweat Or I didn't sweat at the time. Yeah, he said he stopped sweating because he served times in the Falcons, which is like these. These islands off of Argentina. Argentina, which the Brits own. And he was. I guess he was doing his. His. His military service, and he lost the ability to sweat there. Very weird. Andrew has been lying about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein all along, and that is what the files reveal. And it's a lot of vindication for someone like Virginia Giuffre, who, by the way, for a decade has been dragged through the muds by British press, American press, not willing to hear her story of abuse and trafficking. So I think it's a really important time to hear from Virginia's family. As you know, Virginia and I traveled around the country together for the Broken Jeffrey Epstein podcast. We were really closely trying to find people who corroborate her story because for so long, she was called a liar. And I think the Epstein story and the files that we see over and over again show that actually Virginia was right all along. She was in hiding and afraid, and what she lived through was horrific. Okay, here's a statement from her family. Quote, at last. Today, our broken hearts have been lifted at the news that no one is above the law, not even royalty. On behalf of our sister, Virginia Roberts Giuffre, we extend our gratitude to the UK Thames Valley Police for their investigation and arrest of Andrew Mountbatten Windsor. I just want to let that, like, sink in for a minute because it's really important and to know that really the first person to talk about the connection between Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew was Virginia, and she was called a teen slut. She was dragged through the mud. She was harassed. She had to live in hiding in Australia. Thank you for all the people who are sending in the butterfly, the blue butterfly. That was Virginia's sign. I'm sad that she's only getting this sort of vindication in death, but, yeah, it's a big day. It's a big day for her family. It's a big day. Now, of course, these charges don't have to do with Virginia, but. And anything can come up in discovery. Right? If he's actually tried. There's a case. Now. I tried to get a royal expert on the show, but Andrew Loney, who we've had on the show before, he was an amazing guest, and I highly recommend you go back and listen to this podcast that we did with him. I'm trying to find it, actually. It was just so good. Maybe I'll be able to find it. Really quickly. So you guys know exactly where to go to watch it. Yep. Jeffrey Epstein, Prince Andrew and Fergie, the Untold Connections. Please go back. It's on my live the stream we did four months ago with Andrew Loney, who's written an incredible book entitled that is so good that we can't even read it in the us. Publishers are afraid. I tried to get him on the show. Hopefully I'll get him on another day. And I think if you read this you will really understand how much, How much the connections and how far back they go. And this, this friendship which really was brought like they were bonded through Glenn Maxwell. Glenn Maxwell, as we all know, was the only person who was sitting in a prison camp no longer a high security prison. She first met the prince when she was in school in Oxford. She connected the prince with Jeffrey Epstein of her father who ran the Mirror. Very influential paper, MTV Europe, Peregrine Press. He was thought to be a Mossad agent and he's also thought to be the person who connected her with Jeffrey Epstein. And it all goes back to like all the way back there. That's how far back we're going. And Only now in 2026 are we starting to see any justice. All right, so royal expert said this is a warning. It has traditionally been the case that there are certain people in society who can act with impunity and entitlement and think that whatever is done amongst friends, cronies and cohorts is absolutely going to be fine. Well, perhaps not the case in the UK again. Today is Andrew's 66th birthday. What a birthday surprise. I want to hear from you. Someone asked why is this not taken over by Interpol? And I think that's a really good question because Interpol obviously is a police, is a, you know, a security agency, a police state agency that moves throughout Europe and throughout other countries. And perhaps it is being taken up. We don't, I don't know yet. But it would seem that because of the fact that he trafficked girls from country to country that these agencies should be involved. Why do rich pedophiles have more protection in America than petty thieves? Good question, Josh. I think that's what we're all starting to wonder and I think that's what's causing this disgust in this country and anger against the elites. Now a lot of people, you could say, were dragged into the Epstein files. They were just emailing with him. Maybe they didn't know that he was a pedophile. Although everything I've learned from the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein is that if you were surrounded by him, you knew about his M.O. you knew about the pictures everywhere, all over his house of young girls, the Polaroids. Girls were walking around naked. He was putting them on planes with his very powerful friends. And they were under 18, they were young. He liked them looking prepubescent. He didn't want to feed them. It's. It was horrific. Right. So this whole idea that they didn't know also he went to jail as a sex offender in 2008 and everybody knew about it. I worked at the New York Post around that time. We wrote about it. He compared started being to stealing a bagel. People knew about Jeffrey Epstein. He had the biggest townhouse in the Upper east side. Everyone knew about Jeffrey Epstein and continued to be his friend. And when you read these emails among Jeffrey Epstein and the most powerful people in the world, they're not high minded emails about like how to make the world a better place. No, these emails are disgusting. They have innuendo about shrimp and grape soda and pizza. All suggesting women setting profiles of girls, you know, from other countries as if do you want this one? Do you want that one? Snow White, Beauty and the Beast. His MO was women helping people save money. Ish. And opening doors also draws us to questions about his relationship with various intelligence agencies, which I've gotten into on the show. And certainly again, guys, go through my, go through my videos if this is your first time finding me. Just a few days ago I did a piece on why Epstein's lawyers went to the CIA. Yeah, Tara, I wish you would be on Don show this morning. I was on Don show this morning at 10am but girl, I got my own show too. And I've got to come in and talk to my audience that's been with me all along. This is huge news and I, I don't think independent media is missing it. I think they see how important this is. I think without independent media to, to be able to comb through the millions and millions of files, we wouldn't be where we are today. Now, I don't agree with everyone who's taking every FBI tip about cannibalism and this and that called in after his arrest in 2019 as gospel, but especially the ones that haven't been confirmed. I just see them as FBI tips and I don't report on them unless I can verify them. But I do find that without independent journalism, we'd be relying on a few people at the New York Times, c cnn, Wall Street Journal. When this is the biggest scandal possibly in our country, in the world since Watergate, if not more. Okay, let's keep going with this. Someone asked, is this bigger than Watergate? Biggest political scandal ever. 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And if you get a post purchase survey, be sure to mention that you heard about Cozy Earth right here on the Tara Palmari show. Celebrate every day with comfort. That makes the little moments count. Would today have happened without Virginia? No way. Definitely not. And she suffered so much to be heard. She really suffered to be heard. We'll see if they actually get him on the the trafficking charges. I wonder if they'll go back to Virginia's case. A lot of the survivors remember Prince Andrew. You never forget a prince. You never forget other people that they've met, like Donald Trump. Famous men. A lot of them were kids. They don't remember the academics the same way, like Alan Dershowitz or, you know, Barack or, you know, they don't remember those men, politicians, foreign dignitaries. But some people you never forget and the way they treated you, they treat you like a person or like a shrimp pizza. A lot of people are asking how this. Thank you so much for your support. Appreciate it. This is what keeps me going. And appreciate everyone who's tuned in and subscribing and, and, and this very generous off, you know, to very generous, generous donation. And again, like tell your friends, please keep us going. Should Democrats demand protection for Tom Massey and Ro Khanna? I think a lot of people probably need protection in this story because of the power around it. But I think the more you talk, that's protection. I think the more you go in there. The more these members of Congress like Thomas Massie, Ro Khanna, go into the classified rooms and find out every single block of text that's redacted and why it's redacted. White shouldn't be redacted and tells the American people and puts the fire under the Justice Department to be to. To finally give us a transparency and some light when you're on the story. That is the only way we will move forward. A lot of people are asking about how this connects to Trump. Okay. Donald Trump was very close friends with Jeffrey Epstein in the 1990s into the early 2000s. Virginia Giuffre remembers meeting Donald Trump. A number of the victims do. There's at least Katie Johnson, which was one Jane Doe who filed a civil lawsuit against Donald Trump alleging rape at Jeffrey Epstein's townhouse. She dropped it before the US before the election, claiming intimidation. I asked Michael Cohen, his fixer at the time, about this. He said he didn't remember Katie Johnson. But another case involving a young Jane Doe that Trump told him was and to handle it and he sent a private investigator and that was handled. Apparently another case that I would say sounds like intimidation in handling it. Will we ever. Will this ever get to President Trump? He says he's exonerated. 3,300 mentions of him in the files that we've seen so far that we know of because we don't can't really trust the redactions. But he says the Epstein files exonerate him. That's all he really cares about. He doesn't care about justice. That's why the Department of Justice isn't going after. That's why they're not pursuing this case, because he doesn't actually really care about justice. He cares about being exonerated. It's all he can say. And then he attacks people who ask about the survivors, like Caitlin Collins. As I wrote about in Vanity Fair, Epstein's ghost is calling all the shots in the Trump White House. Does this get to Trump? Well, we have to trust the Justice Department to actually show us all the files so that we know he says no. I think he's very lucky that he was not communicating with Jeffrey Epstein in the period of time when Jeffrey Epstein was emailing all the time. And Trump obviously doesn't email, although now he text messages. I think he was almost saved by the fact that he didn't have this digital communication. Virginia is on the record as being trafficked to Les Wexner. Allison says according to course, he proclaimed his innocence yesterday. Your Thoughts? Yes. Les Wexner was everywhere. He is the main source of Jeffrey Epstein's wealth. And Virginia Jufre has been consistent that she was trafficked to Les Wexner in group sex settings. He denies it, although he admitted he went to the island yesterday for the first time. No, bleep. I'm not going to. You know, I don't see how you could be friends with Jeffrey Epstein. And I don't know. And because so many other survivors have said they were in traffic to other men and not know what he was about and what he was up to. I'm not saying all these men participated in sex crimes, but I think we have to seriously listen to the survivors and not just consider their word as hearsay and gossip, like the way the Justice Department has treated them since 1996 when Maria Farmer put in the first call to the FBI and was ignored. Guys, I want to thank you all for joining the stream. We're at the 30 minute mark. I want to do this more regularly. 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