D (3:28)

Exactly. Or it implicates someone that's in their cabinet. I mean, the latest is Dr. Oz invited Jeffrey Epstein to his Valentine's day party in 2016, eight years after Jeffrey Epstein went to prison for soliciting a minor for prostitution, as if a minor could be a prostitute. But, you know, we've got Howard Lutnick, who President Trump doesn't really care to find out why he was still going to Jeffrey Epstein's island in 2012, again after he was convicted as a sex offender in 2008. Every single day, we start to see a more clear picture of Jeffrey Epstein's world and the web and how it collides with President Trump. But as we know, we could know even more if it wasn't all redacted. We don't know what we don't know. Right. I mean, we're just looking through what we know and what we know. Based on what we've seen so far, it's pretty revealing. So imagine what's actually behind those blocks of text. What did President Trump really do? I have an idea of who he met with, because I've heard from this attorney who wanted to depose him and instead he agreed to have a conversation with him. But we need to know what he said that is important for the American people to know what the President of the United States revealed about a notorious sex offender. It means he knows more than what he's telling the press.

C (4:47)

Yes. And that he again had an established longstanding relationship with friendship, with partnership, whatever you want to, however you want to characterize and describe. Wrote him is the birthday note, right? Like gave a quote to a magazine reporter about, boy, he surely likes his women and he likes them real young. The other part of this too, Tara.

D (5:06)

Is a decade long friendship.

C (5:08)

Yes. Trump is on the record in the Fox News interview during the. We play it all the time, I'm not gonna play it here. Basically he's asked like, are you gonna release this file? This file, this file, mlk, jfk, Jeffrey Epstein? He says yes. He goes, that one less so that one maybe not that one. Cuz there's a lot of stuff out there. We've got the quote from Marjorie Taylor Greene who says basically it's gonna hurt the reputations of folks. And what we are seeing is it is hurting the reputation of a lot of people. We've just got breaking news that Kathy Rummler, a very prominent attorney who was the White House counsel for Barack Obama, who was a counsel at Goldman Sachs, is leaving her position there based on the fact that what emerges in these emails is a long standing and pretty chummy relationship between the two of them.

B (5:53)

Yeah. And Chris, I wanna say that what is most, I think, difficult about Kathy Ruemler's long standing association with Jeffrey Epstein isn't just that they are friendly or that they're having dinner together or even that he's buying her Hermes purses or Fendi coats. What's really problematic is that over a course of about five to six years, she is providing him with what looks to be legal advice at a time where he was not only not a retained client of her then law firm, but she was not publicly representing him. And yet on a privilege log and ongoing civil litigation brought by certain victims of Jeffrey Epstein against the estate, Kathy Wemmler's name appears more than 500 times in attorney client communications, meaning the estate itself was the judgment was the judge of who Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys were. And according to them, Kathy Rummler was among them. And that is what I think is really problematic. Not the relationship socially between them, but the fact that like Brad Karp, she was behind the scenes providing legal and strategic advice to him.

C (7:01)

And of course that legal and strategic advice is a huge part of this story because none of this probably develops in the way that it does over the very long course that it does, in which we think hundreds of women and girls were assaulted and preyed upon if he does not get the high powered legal help that he gets back in 2006 and gets the deal. The other thing that emerges here, Tara, and this is a little hard for me to kind of talk through while being scrupulous about standards, but I'm going to try here. So there are a bunch of things that fly around these files that are allegations that are not corroborated and we don't have, and we're not going to show them because they're not corroborated and we can't corroborate them and they're lurid allegations and we want to be responsible. But what is clear from this isn't, I'm not talking about the content of them. What is clear is that what it looked like from the outside, which is that they promised to release the files and then they frenetically went through them all and then they prepared a bunch of documents flagging to the boss and to Pam Bondi. Here's every time Donald Trump's in there and here's what he's accused of. And here's the stuff that might they did that. We've got the files now with PowerPoint presentations and emails they're sending, and then they decided not to release it. So it sure looks, based on the files we have, that they were doing basically exactly what it looked like from the outside. Is that your read of it?

D (8:17)

I mean, we know that there were people working round the clock in the spring FBI agents to redact his name just to respond to one of Bloomberg's Freedom of Information requests. So I can only imagine what they were doing. They were probably using the, those redactions and replicating it to release these files to the American people. But, yeah, we just don't know. And they were friends for so long. I do think that President Trump is lucky in the sense that their friendship sort of predates email. And he's not really much of an emailer anyway. He doesn't use a lot of text exchange. And so, you know, we know a lot about Epstein's relationships after 2008, after 2004, when email was really used. But even now, President Trump doesn't really use email. He's just started to get into text messaging. But if we only had that in the 90s, imagine what we would know now about his relationship.

C (9:14)

That that is actually a great, great meta point about what we do and don't know from the files. It's like the old joke about, like, if you lose your keys, look under the lamplight because, like, that's where the light is. But that time, like, what we have are the people who email a lot. Right. That's. That is one part of the story of these relationships.

B (9:30)

Yes. And guess what? Jeffrey Epstein was first and foremost among them. But I want to go back to something that Tara was about earlier, about an email that suggests that in lieu of a deposition that Trump sat down.

C (9:42)

This is the Goldman one.

B (9:43)

Correct. That someone sat down with Donald Trump and got a download from him that is now redacted. Even if that document were attorney client privileged, and I don't believe it is, for reasons I won't bore our viewers with the fact that members of Congress were then allowed to view it unredacted. That puts the lie to the fact that it's privileged. If it is in fact privileged.

C (10:04)

You no one gets to see.

B (10:06)

Look at that document. And that makes me wonder what's really underneath that. And is the account that Trump gave to the person I believe is a plaintiff's attorney? Is that account consistent with other representations that Trump has made both publicly and contemporarily, but also to people like Palm Beach Chief of Police Michael Ryder?

C (10:27)

That is a document that I have been thinking about all week and I think we're going to do it on the show tomorrow. That document of the call that he made to the Palm beach chief, Palm Beach Chief of Police, Tara, primarily, and Lisa Rubin. We're gonna. There's a lot more we're gonna do about this, but thank you both tonight. Appreciate it. We'll be right back.

E (10:43)

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