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Hi everyone. 4 o' clock in New York. The relentless courage and the pursuit of accountability by the survivors of deceased sex offender Jeffrey Epstein combined some intrepid reporting that pulls the curtain back on Jeffrey Epstein's world and the world of his associates has Team Trump on his back foot today. The Wall Street Journal is reporting today that the Trump Justice Department is reviewing whether it withheld certain files, including interviews with a woman who accused Donald Trump of sexually assaulting her when she was a child just 13 or 14 years old. Of course, that is a bit like asking the fox to guard the hen house these days. Our colleague Lisa Rubin reported on Wednesday that in a memo, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche asked staffers reviewing the files to flag certain materials, like the interviews from the accuser, that are now missing. The Justice Department's previously stated defense for why any files would be missing don't exactly add up either. They have said that all documents relating to Jeffrey Epstein have been produced unless they fall into one of three categories, duplicates, privileged material, or part of an ongoing investigation that the missing documents are clearly not duplicates. If they were, we would have been able to find the other copies. As Lisa Rubin said on our show this week, nothing in these documents would be privileged. So I guess that means this Justice Department is actually investigating Donald Trump. Color me skeptical. Here's what ranking member of the House Oversight Committee, Democratic Congressman Robert Garcia, had to say about that.
Michael Feinberg
It is outrageous that the DOJ right now is hiding these documents and there is no reason, no, certainly no legal reason for them to be doing so. And so either the President's under investigation or the DOJ is lying to us.
Nicole Wallace
Meanwhile, reporters continue to comb through what has been made available of the Epstein material. A blockbuster piece of reporting from Julie K. Brown. The Miami Herald details how Jeffrey Epstein cultivated relationships with the very same people who could have investigated him while he continued to sexually abuse women and girls for more than a decade after serving time in prison in 2009. From that new reporting, quote the documents reveal how Jeffrey Epstein wooed state and federal prosecutors, assistant district attorneys, sheriff's deputies, probation officers, federal marshals, and Customs and Border Patrol officers. The Justice Department was well aware of Epstein's attempts to compromise the legal system. At least two federal probes were conducted. One was in 2011. It was into whether Jeffrey Epstein unduly influenced federal prosecutors involved in his Florida criminal case. And the other was in 2020, it looked into allegations that officers from the US Customs and Border Protection turned a blind eye to the young female passengers. Jeffrey Epstein flew into the St Thomas Airport on his private plane. Neither of those probes ever resulted in criminal charges. The bombshell revelations about what is in the Epstein files and the bombshells about what is still missing from the Epstein files is the backdrop for what the GOP led House Oversight Committee is up to. That committee is, as we come on the air, deposing Hillary Clinton who says she has never met Jeffrey Epstein. She has said publicly she met Ghislaine Maxwell a few times. Former President Bill Clinton is set to be deposed tomorrow. That would make him the first former president to be compelled to testify in a congressional investigation. Former President Bill Clinton has said he knew nothing about Jeffrey Epstein's crimes and neither he nor his wife have been accused of wrong doing involving Jeffrey Epstein. Hillary Clinton has published her opening statement to the committee on social media. It reads, quote, if this committee is serious about learning the truth about Epstein's trafficking crimes, it would not rely on press gaggles to get answers from our current president on his involvement, but ask him directly and under oath about the tens of thousands of times he shows up in the Epstein files. If the majority was serious, it would not waste time on fishing expeditions. There's too much that needs to be done. What is being held back, who is being protected and why the COVID up? Those questions are where we start today. Tara Palmeri is back with us. She writes the red letter on cubstack. She has hosted two acclaimed podcast series on the Epstein case. Joining me at the table, former assistant Special Agent in charge at the FBI, our national security and intelligence analyst Michael Feinberg. Here in New York with us, we're going to start with our senior congressional correspondent, Ali Vitale, who is covering that deposition of Hillary Clinton for us from tropical New York. Ali, tell us what is, what is happening? What has happened?
Ali Vitale
Well, look, this is after months of haggling, Nicole, between the committee and the Clintons. The Clintons saying, we're happy to come talk about this, we just want to do it publicly and that's an important thread for us to follow throughout today because ultimately they did come to an agreement that they would do it here in Chappaqua, about an hour north of New York City. We're near where the Clintons live. They were going to do it behind closed doors, and that is what happened for the first hour and a half. But then sometime this afternoon, a picture was leaked through Congresswoman Lauren Boebert to a conservative influencer that was posted on social media, caused the committee to basically say, all right, pause. We got to go off the record here, figure out what's happening. A Clinton spokesperson came out and said there was a pause in the deposition proceedings inside the room. I'm told by sources who were there that there was a conversation between Clinton lawyers and James Colmer, the head of the committee, basically saying, if you're going to put these pictures up online, then we want the press to come in the room and listen to the rest of the deposition. We agreed this would be private. Obviously, that's not what's happening here. Colmer then conferred with attorneys, conferred with colleagues, decided, no, it's just one picture. We're going to proceed as usual. And that is how it went. I do think, though, that the Clintons asking for press to be in the room is notable. It's something that Democrats from the committee came out and reiterated repeatedly. But I also think the way Republicans went into the room not acknowledging the fact that Hillary Clinton has said she didn't know Jeffrey Epstein, she was not aware of any of the criminal activities. She says in her statement that you just read from Nicole, she'd never been to the island. She had never been on the plane. She has nothing to say about those issues. It's what makes Hillary Clinton a clearly political move out of a committee that is trying to say that they are pursuing this in nonpartisan fashion. It's also partly why I asked Chair Chairman James Comer, okay, if everything's nonpartisan here, then do you also want to hear from people like Congress, like Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick? And he actually answered me today in a different way than he's answered me to that question on the Hill recently, Nicole. He said that's a possibility and then pivoted away from it. But you can bet that Democrats on the committee who heard him say that to me are going to follow up on it. And I think for your viewers who hear the Democrats saying, we want to see Trump, we want to see Lutnick, there are all these things that we want to do on this committee. This is A reminder that you don't really have much power if you are in the minority, which is where Democrats are right now as they continue to pursue this investigation.
Nicole Wallace
I want to ask you, Tara Palmieri, what other than politics, questions you would have for, for Hillary Clinton. I mean, what part of this does she illuminate in a, in a truly transparent fact finding mission?
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Tara Palmeri
Well, Hillary Clinton was very close with Glenn Maxwell. She was a VIP guest at the Clinton Global Initiative. According to CNN's reporting, she was, I mean, you can see her there. She also attended Chelsea Clinton's wedding. That is a very privileged invite. I think maybe she had one degree of separation between herself and Jeffrey Epstein, but he was certainly in their world. And for Jeffrey Epstein, everything was about proximity to power, having that relationship that extended after his conviction as a sex offender, even if it extended to Glenn Maxwell who was obviously so closely entangled with his network. I mean, that gave him power for a very long time until his arrest in 2019. So whether she has knowledge directly or indirectly, I would want to know everything that she knew well.
Nicole Wallace
And that brings us to Julie K. Brown's incredible reporting. She's been with Tara at the forefront of really peeling back the layers. And we should be clear. We're, we're talking about, I've tried to put them in these different rings. I mean the, the removal of Brad Karp from running Paul Weiss is about this ring of contacts. The removal of Peter, his name is Adia Atia from CBS is about someone who had horrific content in an exchange but isn't accused of engaging in the trafficking. This ring is, is getting a lot of exposure and she really delves deep into this ring of enablers. I think the, the, the, the vital circle of the men who may have participated in child rape and sex trafficking remains more opaque. Do you agree with that?
Michael Feinberg
Yeah, I think that's probably true. It is highly unlikely that for example, the FBI or even local police departments that got wind of this in some of the cities where Jeffrey Epstein lived would let those accusations occur without taking some sort of follow up action. And that's really what makes the missing documents purportedly about President Trump so interesting. It's not a question of just one document and a single accusation that was chased down and sort of delved into. We know there's four documents missing. It is incredibly rare for an FBI investigator to have to go back to an interview subject, not just one extra time or two extra time, but three extra times, to develop more information. It suggests that there is more to that universe of inquiry than what we know right now. Either the FBI developed something that could bolster the purported victim's testimony, or maybe they developed something that could undermine its credibility. But either way, it wasn't the sort of thing that was apparently resolved quickly or easily.
Nicole Wallace
The four interviews happened in 2019 while Donald Trump was president. It seems unfathomable now. I mean, how can you just tell me what. What. How that happened, or is that normal? I mean, we now are sort of colored by what we view as Trump's heavy hands on top of the FBI reaching into it. Would it have just been normal for the FBI to interview a potential child victim of sexual assault and physical assault four times? Or that still isn't normal.
Michael Feinberg
It's really fact determinative. It's hard to say without knowing what's in those 302s, which are what we call the documentary records of an interview. You know, I'll say this. It occurred in 2019. William Barr was the Attorney General. He was certainly a Trump partisan. The way he handled the Mueller report, for example, was inexcusably partisan. But he was also, at some level, an institutionalist who cared about the integrity and independence of the Department of Justice. Todd Blanche. Todd Blanche left a storied law firm to create his own firm for the sole purposes of representing Donald Trump. He now has taken that mindset to the Department of Justice, where him and Pam Bondi treat the RFK Building as essentially a sitting room or satellite office of the White House. So Barr, at the end of the day, would have allowed those inquiries to go forward. I think Blanche and Bondi, at the end of the day, are more the sort of people who would search for a way to cover them up.
Nicole Wallace
Would he have even known about it? I mean, could something happen in the FBI field office without the sitting Attorney General?
Michael Feinberg
No, there are. And I'm going to get away from the specifics because I'm not quite sure how much is public now, but there are safeguards where if you are interviewing somebody at the level of the president or a Cabinet secretary or a member of the Gang of Eight in Congress, it is inconceivable that senior FBI and DOJ management would not be made aware of the activity.
Nicole Wallace
Yeah, I mean, I guess I asked Tara Palmeri because there is a chunk in Jeffrey Berman's book, his own memoir, his own telling, where he makes clear that there were aspects of the Epstein case that he kept from Maine doj, which was run by Bill Barr and Rod Rosenstein and their deputies. What is the again? I hate asking about normal, but I do believe that someday things will be normal again. What would the normal way to pursue the truth and the facts around this be?
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Tara Palmeri
See, I just don't really trust that the. That the FBI or the Department of Justice have ever taken this case seriously. Just going back to 1996, when Maria Farmer put in a call to the FBI talking about the fact that her and her sister, who was 16 at the time, were literally moved into another state, New Mexico. Sister was fondled and she was touched inappropriately in a bed by Glenn Maxwell. And the FBI did nothing with that. So are we really supposed to believe that they take all of these tips seriously? I mean, that's the story of Annie Farmer, which was the key story, a key testimony in the case to indict and convict Belen Maxwell. Okay? They waited decades for that. And then you go to 2008 and you look at the fact that the, the. That in the. In the. In the. The. In the. Excuse me, the federal. That the prosecutor Marie Villafony put forward six counts, 60, excuse me, of trafficking. And they were all dropped, all of them. And he went back to the state level and got one count of soliciting a minor for prostitution. I don't understand how we can just accept when we have 2.5 million documents in the ether. We don't know why we don't have them, that we are just supposed to accept. The Department of Justice has always done the right thing, that they have always been following up on all these tips and making sure that all of these girls who are trafficked, that, that none of that, they were never trafficked to anyone outside of Jeffrey Epstein, despite their own accounts.
Nicole Wallace
I mean, I think that brings us to. I mean, I'll let you respond to that if you want to.
Michael Feinberg
No, I mean, I think we have to be cautious about talking about the Department of Justice and the FBI as if they were monolithic entities. There are, I think, 90 some, if not over 100 U.S. attorney's offices throughout the country. There are 56 FBI field offices. What agents and prosecutors at the line level pursue doggedly, of course, are sometimes going to get swept away by either inept or malevolent management. We've both worked in government. We know that that is tragically and horrifically something that sometimes happen. I am not quite as ready as Tara is to paint with that particular brush the entire institution. But I'm also not going to deny that this case, like many sexual abuse cases I'm thinking particularly of Larry Nassar, was handled horrendously by the Department of Justice and the FBI. I think we just need to be careful about who we're levying the responsibility for that malfeasance against.
Nicole Wallace
Yeah, I guess, Ali, what I'm wondering is, you know, the January 6th select committee was an example, again, from the outside, of a congressional committee with public support as the wind at its back, seeming to, from the outside, go further than the Department of Justice. Are the Democrats on the committee trying to model any of their investigative work, an investigative conduct after that? And do they believe they can now make a case again with the public support as wind at their backs, that if Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton are being deposed, why not Donald Trump and anyone around him?
Ali Vitale
They're definitely trying to make that case. But here's what I think about the January 6th select committee a lot, because it was such a rare moment in Congress of not just having public opinion at their back, but of having Republicans and Democrats actually working toward the same goal on that committee. And that's important because, again, you need to have the majority enabled. Enabled in order to be able to enact the moves that you're trying to make. And so, yes, it is a blueprint for a committee that was effective, that was doing more than the DOJ was doing at the time. Ultimately, we know that there was a back and forth when the January 6th select committee was writing its final report. The DOJ behind the scenes was trying to say, okay, can you turn over all your transcripts, all your evidence, all the information that you've gotten? There was a push and pull for a few weeks and months there, but ultimately the committee did make public what they had. What's different about this committee, is that the work that they are doing? And I've asked several Democratic lawmakers, what's your goal here? Is it as you talk to the survivors, to try to give them enough to bring some kind of a civil suit? When you talk to Les Wexner and you finally get him on the record about a whole number of issues and you release the transcript and the video, what is that meant to do? If it doesn't spur something criminal in terms of a prosecution, does it give you enough to try to give these survivors another avenue for accountability? And I know that it all feels like too little anyway. And I think Tara is right that this has been slow. And of course, the arc of justice for women who have been treated in such a horrific manner is so slow and often bends towards justice too slowly. But I do think that for Democrats, they are thinking about how in the court of public opinion in the near term, they can find ways to get accountability. They can find names to get names of men out there who participated in this. They can find ways and depositions that will be made public, including the one with Hillary Clinton today and Bill Clinton tomorrow, that they can find ways to ask questions that at least illuminate new avenues of investigation, even if they do not yet have gavel power, subpoena power, the ability to say, hey, we want to hear from Howard Lutnick, hey, we want to hear from President Donald Trump. But I think this is where the politics carries alongside the investigation, as it always does. The fact that Democrats now can add this to their midterm message and say through the lens of affordability and accountability, I think the two A's that govern the 2020, 2020, what are, what year are we in 2026 process, that, that, that is the way that they are going to be able to make that case. If you want more accountability, if you want these committees to actually act in nonpartisan favor, put us in the majority in the House and we will try to get closer to, to doing that. I mean, Congress is an imperfect body, but I think that's the way that I'm thinking about it, through the lens that you're using of the J6 committee, how it's different, how it's the same, and how it might mirror what this committee ultimately does.
Nicole Wallace
And Halle, just quickly, is there any chance, I mean, Hillary Clinton has said something slightly different than what Tariff's reporting suggests, that she never met Jeffrey Epstein and that she was, I think her words are, quote, not close to Ghislaine Maxwell. Is there any sense that she'll come out and speak on her own behalf after this deposition ends.
Ali Vitale
That's not clear to me. And we don't have many of the specifics either from inside the deposition, though certainly I have tried to ask when Democrats came out. I do think an important thing that the ranking member, Robert Garcia did say to us in the last few hours is that at no point did she plead the Fifth that she has answered all questions. It is still ongoing. We don't have a sense of if Clinton is going to come out. I think that's very much a live ball at this point. It has been hours, though, of this deposition. I'm not sure if that weighs on the Clinton camp calculus at all here, though of course she's been doing a lot of interviews. She's been talking a lot about this on the record. And by that metric, that is the reason that Colmer and other Republicans say they don't feel the need to go and ask Trump to come before the committee because they say he talks about this all the time in the press and that that is it seems sufficient for them. Of course, Democrats have a very different view and we all know that it's very different to testify before Congress under oath.
Nicole Wallace
I don't know that I would even describe Trump as talking about this. He utters the same three sentences he stole her from me about Virginia Giffre and totally exonerated, which is what he said about his perfect call. It's what he said about Aylan Cannon's cases, about documents. It's what he said about the Mueller report. It's sort of a thing he says a lot. Ali Vitale, thank you for your reporting. Tara Palmeri, thank you for your reporting.
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Episode: Hillary Clinton says ask my husband about Epstein
Date: February 27, 2026
Host: Tara Palmeri
Main Guests/Panelists: Nicole Wallace (moderator), Michael Feinberg, Ali Vitale
This episode delves into the latest chapter of congressional investigations into Jeffrey Epstein, focusing on the high-profile depositions of Hillary and Bill Clinton before the House Oversight Committee. The discussion examines the political and legal battles surrounding the Epstein files, the missing documents implicating powerful figures, the evolving role of congressional oversight, and the broader questions of accountability and systemic failure in high-level sex trafficking cases.
On the Politicization of the Investigation:
Hillary’s Response to the Committee:
On Systemic Failure:
On the DOJ’s Accountability:
On Legislative Investigative Power: