Inside the Epstein Plot: Fertility and Power

Summary

The Tara Palmeri Show

Episode: Inside the Epstein Plot: Fertility and Power

Date: February 8, 2026
Host: Tara Palmeri
Guests/Contributors: "Sammy" and an unnamed female journalist/contributor (“V”)

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Episode Overview

This incisive, fast-paced episode dives into the newly-released trove of “Epstein files”—a vast collection of communications and documents tied to Jeffrey Epstein and his global network. Through conversation and reporting, Tara Palmeri and her contributors break new ground on the underexplored theme of fertility, power, and the complicity of elite women within Epstein’s world, while also examining the implications for international intelligence, blackmail, and ongoing lack of public accountability. The hosts blend in-depth analysis, journalistic insights, and offbeat humor to lay bare the depravity, complexity, and still-unfolding consequences of the Epstein operation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Scope and Incompleteness of the Epstein Files

• Epstein files: The newly-released documents detail an extensive, global network; FBI is believed to have contacted “about 1%” of those named, highlighting a huge gap in accountability.
  • Tara Palmeri: “To have these files for so long and to probably have made contact with about 1%...this is all so incomplete.” [01:23]
• Every small detail (“every micro email”) can tell a huge story, and disregarding these details risks missing the broader picture of Epstein’s reach and methods.

2. Epstein’s Obsession with Fertility, Eugenics, and Power

• Epstein wanted control over reproduction—literally and symbolically—as part of his pathological quest for power.
  • Attempts to create a “breeding ground” at his New Mexico ranch, pressuring Virginia Giuffre (“Roberts”) to bear his child, and obsessing over sperm freezing and gene editing.
  • Continued use of California Cryobank; speculation that “Epstein babies” may exist unknown to their mothers [03:00].
• Connection to Surrogacy, MIT/Harvard & Science: Epstein funneled enormous sums into surrogacy research, gene editing, and elite scientific circles, posing broader ethical and societal risks.

3. The Broader Intelligence, Geopolitical, and Compromat Angle

• Espionage connections: Was Epstein a Russian asset, Mossad, both, or simply a global fixer for the West’s elite?
  • Sammy: “He was a magnet for people who wanted to explore certain disgusting, base desires…these same men were also running geopolitical games.” [04:11]
• Blackmail as Power: Epstein’s operation employed kompromat/blackmail tactics—similar to those used by Russian and Israeli intelligence, buttressed by the now-public emails revealing intimate, emotional bonds with high-level powerful men.
  • Unnamed Contributor: “Now reading the emails, these powerful men are emotionally connected…to the point that Dr. Peter Attia leaves his kid in the hospital for 10 days because he misses Jeffrey Epstein so badly.” [11:17]
• Influence on U.S. Policy: Tie-ins with Tom Barrack, Trump, and the shaping of U.S. foreign policy—Middle East, Russia, and more—suggest the operation’s international ambitions. [06:26]

4. Complicity of Elite Women & Broader Enablement

• Many society women and professionals (e.g., Melanie Walker, Nicole Junkermann, Eva Dubin) benefited from Epstein’s patronage or enabled his integration into elite circles, laundering his reputation.
  • Tara Palmeri: “I wrote a piece called ‘The Women Who Enabled Jeffrey Epstein’…very prominent society women…laundered his reputation.” [18:23]
• Contradicts public perceptions that women in the orbit were only victims; many were adults, aware, and complicit.

5. Accountability—or the Lack Thereof

• Despite documentation and mounting evidence, major players (Leslie Groff, Peter Attia, powerful financiers) face minimal or no consequences; institutional ties and conflicts of interest (e.g., Jay Clayton leading probes into those he is close with) enable continued impunity.
  • Sammy: “They’re just going to have to live privately like rich people…they’re all going to be okay.” [24:03]

6. The Response of the Media and Public

• Mainstream media failures: ABC News’s refusal to air Virginia Giuffre’s interview, lack of serious mainstream coverage, and the rise of independent journalism as the primary avenue for uncovering these stories.
  • Tara Palmeri: “If I was still in a newsroom…I couldn’t do it now.” [50:28]
• Sammy: “Believe the survivors, especially the ones who’ve come forward, testified, and faced the court of law.” [52:34]

7. Dark Internet Culture Around Epstein

• Bizarre “idolization” of Epstein on Reddit/4chan by young men (“Uncle E”), meme-ification of Epstein’s crimes, and connections to the internet “manosphere.”
  • Unnamed Contributor: “They think it’s funny…it’s like how people thought joking about O.J. Simpson was funny.” [40:33]
• Looks-maxing/manosphere: Commentary on Epstein’s low testosterone (“low T”), bizarre sexual fixations, and Peter Thiel’s possible cosmetic surgery. [41:08]

8. Rumors, Conspiracy, and Continuing Cover-Up

• Speculation about Epstein being alive, his possible murder, and newly surfaced potential evidence (CBS report of suspicious “orange blob” in surveillance after his death) [43:12].
• The systemic nature of power “policing itself,” mutual protection among elites and the continued lack of legal or reputational accountability.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Power and Reproduction

“The power is ultimately, they want power over women. That is the most raw type of power. Power over their reproduction.”
—Sammy [04:11]

On the Web of Blackmail and Vulnerability

“He found the thing you wanted or needed and he was able to fulfill it…these powerful men are, like, emotionally connected to him. They have genuine love for him in a way that is so fucking weird.”
—Unnamed Female Contributor [11:17]

On Elite Women’s Complicity

“I wrote…about all these women and…I laid out a lot of these very prominent society women who just by their association with him and their willingness to let him be a part of their circles laundered his reputation.”
—Tara Palmeri [18:23]

On Accountability

“They’re just going to have to live privately like rich people. And I know that’s probably very hard for them, given their egos.”
—Sammy [24:03]

On the Scope of Evil

“There are no black people in the Epstein files because he was wildly racist and he was not including them. Diddy had his own sex ring…It means that evil is happening in different sectors of the world. It doesn’t mean they’re all connected.”
—Unnamed Female Contributor [25:49]

On the Limitations of the System

“It’s like a massive circle of…power policing itself. That is what is happening right now. Power policing itself. And that is why for so many decades this story remained unprosecuted.”
—Tara Palmeri [38:44]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Epstein Files and the Difficulty of the Big Picture — [00:44–02:51]
• Fertility, Surrogacy, and MIT/Harvard Connections — [02:51–04:11]
• Geopolitics, Compromat, and Intelligence Links — [04:11–08:46]
• Blackmail and Emotional Influence on Powerful Men — [11:17–13:00]
• Women who Enabled and Laundered Epstein’s Reputation — [18:23–20:04]
• Details on Lack of Accountability & Media Complacency — [24:03–26:35], [50:28–52:34]
• Bizarre Internet/“Manosphere” Culture on Epstein — [40:33–41:59]
• Speculation on Epstein’s Death — [42:20–44:55]
• Closing Reflections on Change, Survivors, and Hope for Accountability — [49:41–54:49]

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Tone and Language

The conversation is frank, unsparing, tinged with dark humor, and grounded in journalistic skepticism. The hosts blend professional detachment with righteous anger and exasperation at systemic impunity and societal silence.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• The Epstein files expose a global web uniting power, science, and sexual exploitation—still largely unaccounted for.
• The operation was not just about sexual abuse, but about control, blackmail, and elite complicity at every level—including powerful women, financiers, and intelligence agencies.
• Mainstream institutions repeatedly failed to address or fully report the scope, and only through independent journalism are new truths emerging.
• Despite disclosures, accountability is rare; the circle of power continues to protect itself, and only generational change or massive institutional overhaul may bring justice.
• Above all, the stories and words of survivors must remain central amid the tumult of rumor, speculation, and unverified accusations.

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For listeners seeking clarity on the saga beyond the headlines, this episode offers a critical, nuanced perspective—inviting further inquiry and ongoing vigilance.

Transcript

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[Sammy]

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[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

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[Sammy]

It's pretty straightforward.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

You know what you're getting? That's what you're getting. You're getting the Epstein files.

[Tara Palmeri]

You don't really need to go around. Let's be honest. Like, where do you. I mean, you could, like, people have asked me, tara, where is the big picture piece? Right? And I'm really, like, thinking about it. I really am. I'm just like, you know, there's a lot going on in my head and I'm holding on to it and I'm trying to go as high and as broad and as big as I can, but it's really. Sorry. My dog. It's like all over me, but it's really hard not to. Yeah. Pancetta out here.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

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[Sammy]

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[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Yeah, Pancetta. What do you think about the Epstein files?

[Tara Palmeri]

Of that? Yeah, yeah. She's, you know, but the truth is, is that you can like, every micro email tells a huge story and like, and to. To completely disregard them is to kind of miss what this is all about, you know what I mean? And. And the FBI, to have these files for so long and to probably have made contact with about 1%, if that, of people who are actually mentioned in the files means, like, this is all so incomplete.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

And.

[Tara Palmeri]

And you know, and I'm really impressed with your reporting, V. It's something like I've always reported on about Epstein and known about him is this obsession with breeding and wanting to spread the seed. And like this like, vile human being, like, literally wanting to create a breeding ground on his New Mexico ranch, wanting Virginia Roberts to carry his baby. And like, that was when she left. She was like, I can't do that. This is crazy. They did get her pregnant once. Or maybe, maybe not him, but someone. And she was in a hospital, like, you know, going through this miscarriage was a horrible experience for her. I remember her telling me about this and it's like this Is, you know, like, I really think this aspect of the story is so big. And of course, it's shrouded in power and mystery and wealthy women from, you know, it's just. And sex and it's like nothing can just be what it seems. There's like 15 different layers to all of it. So, you know, let me tell you.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

How I task us. I want to tell you how I task us. So when folks are like, what part are you focused on? Or when people want to ask me a question for something, I'm like, sex crimes and victim testimonials. Tara Palmeri. Okay, she knows it. Unfortunately, that's the place where I feel like you've had the most reporting. Listen to the Broken podcast. Listen to the other stuff. Like, when it comes to that, get caught up with her on everything that's been done in that world. Right. And everything that Virginia has said. The part that we're focused on right now is the fertility industry, the MIT and Harvard connections, because that's a huge part of it. And what he was funding when it comes to surrogacy, how that plays into celebrity surrogacy, which is under, you know, sort of invest like public scrutiny right now, and the trafficking of women for not necessarily sex, but potential surrogacy. Right. Like coming out of Russia, his gene editing obsession. We do know that he was using the California cryobank. He still has sperm on ice. Like, how much of this was used anonymously to potentially impregnate people who might not even know they have an Epstein baby. I think that's like the world that I'm in right now. And then Sammy has been in the world of like the Russia. Is he a Russian op? Is he Mossad? Is he both? What's up with the Saudis? And while we're all doing pieces of it, that's how I go to you guys for which part is which right now?

[Sammy]

I think I can try. I think I can try to tie it together in a certain way. So the power is ultimately, they want power over women. That's the most raw type of power. Power over their reproduction. That is like when you think about what men like, let's make it really deeply psychological. Womem vape, this need to control these women, the obsession with fertile, youthful women there. There's a deeply psychological problem there. And you see it in that there is a certain type of man who attracted to him almost like a magnet for certain type of people who wanted to explore certain disgusting, base desires. And I. And. And when I Say, I'm like, into the relationships and the geopolitics. I think what actually, the. What specifically? Like, we can get into the specifics, but the truth is that, like, as above is below. So as he was, like, obsessed with the microcosm of getting a woman or spreading his seed to many women, the same men who were attracted to that as well, they were also running geopolitical games. And they were. Certain people were attracted to him. They were using him, and they were using each other in order to sort of advance their own goals in terms of big picture things, whether it was scientific advancement, whether it was, you know, energy or crypto or communication, their propaganda, whether it was their personal disgusting, you know, desires. And what the end result of this is, is that the greed and the depravity that was inherent within the United States and much of the west made them vulnerable. And the impact of money and blackmail made the leaders and the, you know, security apparatuses of their countries vulnerable. And the, at the end of the day, getting Donald Trump elected as sort of like the. You. One of Epstein's, like, main kingpins of all of this, and also someone who's doing a lot of bidding on behalf of Russia and Israel and Saudi and now the uae, all of that has now they achieved their goal. Epstein was the catalyst for this takedown of the west to be achieved.

[Tara Palmeri]

He is also very close with Tom Barrack, who's very close with Jeffrey. Sorry, with Jeffrey Epstein and President Trump and the three of them. Yeah, Tom Barrack is, like, basically running all of our Middle east policy right now. You know, this like, kind of brings me back to Robert Maxwell, who I also did a podcast on power, the Maxwells. And, you know, he was believed to be a Mossad agent as well. He died mysteriously off the side of his yacht, the Lady Galen, when, you know, he was stealing the pension funds from his newspaper, the Mirror. And, you know, it's believed that he introduced Epstein to Glenn Maxwell and that he actually was laundering money through Epstein to make sure that she was not broke when she was. When. After he died. And so, like, he may have been the one who got Epstein into this whole ring. I do agree with you. I think that Epstein worked in, like, a very simplistic compromise style, like a Russian kompromat style. It was believed that, um, Robert Maxwell was also working with the Russians as well. I mean, he was also a Member of Parliament at the time, and. And like. Yeah, and he was like, one of the few publishers, Paragamon Press, you know, MTV Europe, that was like, able to work with Russia. So he, you know, it kind of all I think started with her father and that's why she stayed with him for so long. But I do think like ultimately like this is about money and connections and Epstein had a lot of it and women and he knew that the way to like have even more than just money and connections was to have well information which by the way he could also use any information on these people, especially Americans by giving it to our foreign, you know, intelligence agencies. And he did. Yeah, as I call them a hyper fixers. He could, you know, he could use that information to not be prosecuted. Like the first time when FBI called, when Maria Farmer called the FBI in 1996. He could be protected with it. But I think like ultimately it was something he could hold over people and run this insane blackmail scheme for so long and continue to profit.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

I also think about the blackmail for one quick second because well, I just.

[Sammy]

Want to say we have our answer to this to some degree because Poland is investigating him as a Russian spy and saying that the pedophilia ring was an FSB run operation. And I think to your point about bringing about Robert Maxwell And Jeffrey Epstein pre 1990 89, let's call it they he Robert Maxwell's money. What I have read from Zeb Shaleb's reporting came from a combination of a CIA slush fund from Iran. Contrast some of Simeon Mogilevich's money and money from Mossad also to like run or from Israel to run weapons and.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

To Basically he had to be getting Saudi money too. He had to be.

[Sammy]

I don't know if he was getting it at that in the very beginning. This is like the erosion.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Maybe not in the beginning. Yeah, not yet.

[Tara Palmeri]

Rich then I don't think Saudi Arabia.

[Sammy]

No, they came later. They're like post 2010s. Like they don't really start playing into the emails in the post 2010s. And honestly like I, I'm a mostly stay in the emails. I, I really try not to like read the details of like the abuse because I don't like that's not like there's no mystery that I'm trying to uncover there other than evidence that they did it and it was not punished. Like that's really it. But I'm trying to. I, I like the connective tissue of it because the relationships to Tara, to your point about the power and the money, those like emails that seem like maybe it's, it's nothing like they reveal especially when you look at them all together. They reveal, like, this picture of a. A man who certain people gravitated towards him and certain people avoided him. And, you know, it. It shows you that there was a choice in how close people wanted to get to him and how useful they found him or he found them.

[Tara Palmeri]

This is the thing about him that I want.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Wait, I want folks to let me just say this thing about Epstein. And what. When we think about Epstein, previous to this email drop, I've thought about him as this, like, monster douche guy who is a jerk. And then you read the emails and these powerful men are, like, emotionally connected to him. They have, like, genuine love for him in a way that is so fucking weird. It's like, weirder than what I would have expected, like, backdoor deal, weirdo guy stuff. And they're like, you're my friend. I'm in a vulnerable place. Jeffrey Epstein's, like, mothering them through a bunch of situations that they're in, whether that's legally or wanting to get invited to his parties or trying to talk to them about, like, he's like, juicing them up in a lot of ways. Like, oh, I'm gonna send you a girl. Oh, you're gonna. You're. You're great. Like, the emotional connection that he built, the vulnerable love to the point that Dr. Peter Attila leaves his kid in the hospital for 10 days because he misses Jeffrey Epstein so badly was the thing that shocked the shit outta me. The wild insecurity of these men and the way that they were so emotionally tied to him as, like, almost like a mother type figure was extra weird to me.

[Sammy]

Well, she was an outlet for them to entertain really their grossest, most unacceptable desires.

[Tara Palmeri]

It's interesting that you said that. So, like, Epstein was able to play on people's vulnerabilities. Absolutely. Like, he found the thing you wanted or needed and he was able to fulfill it. Like, even with Jess Staley, when he had to leave, I think he had to leave. Was it Goldman? What bank was he with? Barclays? No, he got him the CEO job at Barclays. Like, he made sure that happened. He was taking care of these people. But then I. I think. I think about the survivors, too. And if you look at their, like, 302s, like, some of them, they were like, Jeffrey's amazing. Like, I love you, Jeffrey.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Like, Leslie Groff loved him. Talked about $2000 here or there, big Christmas bonuses. What a generous person he was.

[Tara Palmeri]

It's like, yeah, they were. These were really traumatized girls. And, like, he gave them lawyers and told them that they were prostitutes and he was saving them and they believed it. And so it's like, even for. How would they know at point, like, she, like, that she was so used to it being their, like, slave that she kind of loved them too.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Like a Stockholm syndrome type thing. Yeah, for sure.

[Tara Palmeri]

He makes someone.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

If he just. If he was all stick and no carrot, he wouldn't. That's how you get someone. Like Trump.

[Tara Palmeri]

Right.

[Sammy]

Trump is more stick, less carrot.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

Right.

[Sammy]

Epstein, like, had relationships. Like, he didn't. Yes. He viewed all people as transactional, but I actually think some. One of the more interesting, like, pieces to analyze is, like, who he actually liked, who he respected and who he chased versus, like. Cause most people were chasing him for the most part. And it's very clear who he liked and who he didn't, who he entertained, who he thought was an idiot, you know, who was really intimately involved with him versus who was kind of like a passing association.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's.

[Sammy]

I think something that's interesting is, like, who could have gotten closer to Epstein and didn't. Like, for example, like. And I see this both not even as like a saving, you know, redeeming thing for the people who didn't as much as what. It demonstrates what a choice it was for the people who did. Like Zuckerberg, for example. Would FC not have loved to, like, own Zuckerberg and, like, be all up in his emails all the time? No, he would have, but he wasn't. And, like, I think he was something young.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

I think some of this.

[Sammy]

Barry Weiss older, though.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

I mean, Zuckerberg is like 40. They're like 46. I don't know, maybe there was a cutoff for him somewhere toward the end.

[Sammy]

Of Gen Z. Oh, he famously likes. He. It was anyone who would. Who. Who was like, in. You know, like, why is Nellie Bowles so friendly with him?

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

She was introduced through a Russian. We know that because people were like, oh, she was just at the New York Times. And I'm like, she was not Marsha Drakova. Like, who?

[Sammy]

Marcia Drakova?

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

Oh, she is the.

[Tara Palmeri]

She was like, I was working on a profile of, like, maybe tech people, maybe this. And it's like, where's your. Where's your work? What came out of it?

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Just like, Steve Bannon was working on an expose. No, you weren't. You were taking selfies with him and being besties.

[Sammy]

And he was working on PR recovery of his reputation.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

We write about Nicole Junkerman today, who's like this German businesswoman who was an early investor in Palantir and Bitcoin and sports betting. All the things that really define sort of Western culture right now and where a lot of venture capital money has gone into and where a lot of control of men has gone into. And one of the things I was worried about publishing today about is four times she has had substack authors removed. There are articles removed that are about her because she so very desperately does not want to be tied to Jeffrey Epstein, even though she was deeply tied to him, including potentially like him helping her through IVF with her 30 years older than her husband. Like this was intimate connection between this Nicole Junkerman character and him. And I think a lot of the women who were involved and knew about all of this tend to get kind of like sidelined, even though they had massive power and did sick, twisted things because they're not involved in the sex crimes. And that's where the public's interest can be. But the money and the international influence. I'm sort of hopeful, given what Poland has done and the UK is doing and France is doing, that the US won't be able to deny and protect these people anymore because they're getting fucked up by the European nations that are holding them accountable.

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[Sammy]

Nicole Junkerman she was an art dealer, right?

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Like she was also an art dealer, which is a great way to launder money, as you say.

[Sammy]

Which is a great way to launder money. And I also noticed she went to Palantir and I'm pretty sure like she was decorating their office.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

She's a Harvard graduate. She's got everything she's got. She's completely touches all of the different.

[Sammy]

Points she's in there. He really was fond of her too. They went, they were like close friends, you know, general. He, he was a social guy.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, there are a lot of like I, I wrote this piece many years ago called the Women who Enabled Jeffrey Epstein. And like this was when people stopped caring about him. But like I was like a whole pyramid about of all these women and like I laid out a lot of these like very prominent society women who just by their association with him and their willingness to like let him be a part of their circles, their high powered circles, like laundered his reputation. I, I wrote a lot about this woman, Melanie Walker, who he met through Bell Bill Gates and he helped her like fund her career in academia. And like I think actually Sammy, if you're going in that route, I would definitely dig into Melanie and, and yeah, she had some pretty high powered like publicists at the time trying to kill the story off and like definitely with the emails now, like everything is revealed about her closeness with him and like, you know, it's just like this was somebody that Virginia remembered like vividly as a 30 year old woman around the time when she was 16. And I think like, I think there's a level of accountability for these people who were of age, were adults and like saw this happening and it's like do we put, we put them in shackles? No, but like now they're celebrated, renowned in academia and finance and various worlds actually like thanks to Jeffrey Epstein. Like he helped Eva Dubin meet her husband Glenn Dubin. No, and this is like, and she's getting profiles in Palm Beach Post and all these places and it's like their lives have been set up by Jeffrey Epstein. But at what expense? You know what I mean? And I, I think why does Leslie.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Groff get to just live in New Canaan and walk her dog down the street and say that she doesn't know anything when there's a viol there of her two Pages writing what seems to be, like, a character testament for him, which had to be for, like, one of his trials. They must have asked her to write, like, a character, you know, whatever thing.

[Sammy]

But that's, like, in. That's insane. Because, like, if anybody knew everything, everything he was up to and doing, it's her. And why has she not been asked. Asked to answer any questions? I also do think there's a distinction between someone who's, like, in a position of public trust versus, like, someone who's in there and, like, you don't know who they are. You know, if you're getting awards and you're making major decisions at banks or companies or nonprofits or in the government, and you're in here. You actually like the idea that Peter Attia is keeping his job at cbs. Like, because Bari Weiss doesn't want to admit that other people are right. It's like, what. What is the play there, like?

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, I think in a way, she'd have to acknowledge her wife. Nellie Bowles is also in the files. And, like.

[Sammy]

Okay, and what are you gonna.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

I wanna know what thinks about Nellie Bowles being in the files. Like, where, you know, she doesn't wanna answer that. Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

So people keep talking about Nick Ribas. He's in a lot of emails, a lot, actually. And, like, a lot of things that are. I have to go back to him, but I see a lot of comments about him, and I wonder what people are. Why you're pointing him out. Could be a lot of different reasons.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Because.

[Tara Palmeri]

Is it because he's a former Clinton lawyer? By the way, the woman I mentioned, Melanie Walker, she. Dr. Melanie Walker, she was a Bill Gates connection. How was that, do you think?

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Okay. Melania French. Melania. Oh, my God. Melinda Gates. She seems to have sort of confirmed what was, like, this idea that Bill Gates got an STD and tried to surreptitiously give her antibiotics because he passed it to her, like, whatever. Cause when they asked her about Bill Gates in the files, she said, that's, like, a really dark part of my history, and I think he should answer for it. So she didn't deny the stuff that's been said about him or what his involvement was.

[Sammy]

She didn't get into the specific. She wasn't confronted with the specifics, but I think she could be saying anything about the relationship. Like.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

But she's. I wanna. I wanna know what was the thing she said that they got divorced because of something he did with Epstein that she found, like, completely, like, she couldn't get over It. She couldn't get past that. Like, so what. What was it?

[Sammy]

Could be anything from, like, she asked him to stop hanging out with him to she actually caught him with something. But, like, honestly, my sense is that, like, this is a very obvious dynamic to me. She meets him, she's like, I really don't want you to work with that guy. He's a creep. Blah, blah, blah. You should stay away from him. He doesn't listen. Basically, he just, like, disrespects her, and after a certain amount of time, it grosses her out enough and her kids are old enough, and she's like, I'm not going to take this anymore.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Yeah, I'm out.

[Sammy]

You know? Like, it probably bothered her their whole marriage.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

You think Bill Gates is cooked? I mean, is this actually gonna, like, do anything? I mean, like, is this gonna do anything socially? I don't know that he'll be proud.

[Sammy]

They're all gonna still hang out.

[Tara Palmeri]

No one will ever. Yeah, exactly.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

It doesn't matter.

[Sammy]

Oh, I forgive you. Like, oh, I get it. Like, yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm not getting any more humanitarian awards. Okay.

[Sammy]

Maybe that's it, right?

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, he'll be okay, though, at the White House. Yeah, Maybe he'll get the Medal of Honor from Trump.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Oh, gosh. Yeah, could be. You never know.

[Sammy]

Here's the thing. They're all going to be okay. The people ask, like, what's the answer?

[Tara Palmeri]

It's like, they're not behind bars.

[Sammy]

Yeah, that's what I mean.

[Tara Palmeri]

Like, a wealthy white man would be.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

All right. But they. It's a fact.

[Sammy]

They're just gonna have to live privately like rich people. Like, and I know that's probably very hard for them, given their egos, but, like, they're just gonna have to not be as loud about it.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Like, not get as many as go Matt Lauer somewhere. Just go be Matt. Matt.

[Sammy]

Well, Matt Lauer wants to be back in the game.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Like, well, Don Lemon said, I think America's ready for Matt Lauer to be back in the game. So, I mean, I don't like that. I don't know why he says some of the stuff he says.

[Sammy]

I'm not really being back in the game.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

So fucking sub sack and. And, like, let people follow.

[Tara Palmeri]

Live in shame.

[Sammy]

No, I know, but it's like, if he wants to talk, go talk. You. I invite you to build an audience like any other asshole on the Internet.

[Tara Palmeri]

People want to hear Sammy. They do. And they're with a bunch of other men who are, like, aggrieved that actually Follow and listen to them. Like, don't inspire them because they exist.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

I know. I remain mad that Adam Perry Lang never got in trouble. Or any of the chefs, none of.

[Sammy]

Them got in trouble.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

No. I remain mad that Adam Perry Laing is friends with Kimmel. And I remain mad that he gets to do barbecue pop ups all the time. I remain mad that the James Beard foundation still hangs the medal of a man who is a known pedophile around our neck. Like, it's. I remain mad that so many things are socialized and normalized. Well, it was of its time. Like, no, it wasn't. And it was gross. And that was never topic women.

[Sammy]

No, this is the thing that was never up its time. That was always legal. That was always. And if. And if a poor person did it, they would be. They're in a lot of trouble. If, like, it's. It's. You know, unless they're maybe, I don't know, like a Catholic bishop, you know, in the. In the right place.

[Tara Palmeri]

But the Catholics are rich, so they know how to sweep it under the rug, you know?

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Well, that people keep asking me, is this cardinal in there? Is this bishop in there? Is this person in there? And I'm like, there are no black people in the Epstein files because he was wildly racist and he was not including them. And not to say, like. So stop asking, stop trying to say, oh, is Jay Z is Diddy? No. Diddy had his whole own sex ring, just like the Catholics had their whole own sex ring. It doesn't mean that they're all connected. It means that evil is happening in different sectors of the world. It doesn't mean that they're all one thing. And I think folks kind of want it to be all one thing. So there's some silver bullet to end it all. And it's like, no, this is still going on. What's going on at Zorro Ranch now. What's going on at the Epstein island now? What's going on with these people who were involved with Jeffrey Epstein who are working at banks still and colleges and universities. Larry Summers was still at Harvard. Dershowitz is still at Harvard.

[Sammy]

Like, Brad Korp is still a partner at Paul Weiss.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. I can tell you who's not in the Epstein files. A man that's not in the Epstein files. You don't see any plumbers?

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

No.

[Tara Palmeri]

You don't see any. You know, the only police officers that you really see in the Epstein files were, you know, Mike Ryder, the chief of police in Palm beach, and Joseph Perry, who fought to make sure that this case was actually prosecuted. Brought it to the. To the. The state attorney. Not the state attorney, above the state attorney, the U.S. attorney. Because the state attorney wouldn't do anything about it. Like, you know, those.

[Sammy]

There were police officers. It would be like, random people he paid off to. Like, you know, it wouldn't be, like, heavily documented there to be. To your point about how there's, like, different communities. Like, like, there's. Here's the real reality. There's evil in every community. This was. Epstein's community was like the global elites. You know, that's who he was. He was like.

[Tara Palmeri]

Because that was of our countries.

[Sammy]

The. The coastal elites. That is who was. That's who the sex trafficking ring was for.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Can we talk about Michael Cohen? Somebody bringing up Michael Cohen in here? Tara, can we talk about Michael Cohen? Yeah, he knows something. He's got to know.

[Tara Palmeri]

He's in the files.

[Sammy]

Because the Katie Johnson thing.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Tell me. No.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, so I just found, like, a few weeks ago, Ellie Leonard actually found this in the files. Michael Cohen's lawyer is saying to the prosecutors in the Southern District of New York, you know, Michael's heard stuff from Trump about Epstein. He's willing to offer it in exchange for Title 35. And Title 35 means that the information is so. So rel. Like, is so useful to another prosecution that it would, like, shorten your own prosecutor, your. I guess, your sentence in a substantial way. Now, this is a man who, when I interviewed him, said, there was nothing. It was bullshit. It was one Jane Doe. It was bullshit. It was bullshit. And has gone on a rant against me. And yet here is a file. In here is an email from his attorneys in the Epstein files to the U.S. attorneys. And then there's another email from someone, I think it was Epstein saying, you know, Michael Cohen knows everything.

[Sammy]

Of course, Michael Cohen. Look, you have to be pretty fucking thick to expect people to believe that he did not orchestrate the silencing of the Katie Johnson case.

[Tara Palmeri]

Of course.

[Sammy]

And I think that actually a great deal of what they have tried to cover up went back to the Katie Johnson case, because that was like sort of the point a. Of how Ground zero, whatever, how you connect Epstein to Trump with a really serious, credible accusation. Like that is a very straightforward, corroborated story. That was what they were always trying to prevent people from finding out, in my view, because it really tells. That her story really tells the whole thing.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

The Michael Cohen thing pissed me off so bad. I was like, this is from.

[Sammy]

This is a lesson for a Lie. He's such a bad liar. He always does the same exact gig. I went to jail. I'm the only one who went to jail for him. And it was all me. I've never heard of Katie Johnson. It was somebody else. And I never. And I never went to Ukraine. I've never been to Ukraine. I never had a Prague. I've never been to Prague. I don't have a passport. That's Michael Cohen. He always does the whole thing.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Liar, liar.

[Tara Palmeri]

He tells.

[Sammy]

He's not a good liar.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, apparently, according to Lev, who has texts, he asked Lev for George Santos's information.

[Sammy]

Oh, I saw that.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm like.

[Sammy]

Would love to be in. Back in. If he can get back in.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Of course he would.

[Tara Palmeri]

He would.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

But this is my warning to people in politics, okay? Let's stop going after somebody who used to be Trump and Maga e and try to make them a left wing superstar. Like, it's just not worth it to do that. People were very willing to give Michael Cohen, MSNBC Midas touch. I love the boys at Midas. No shade to them. I'm just saying, like, it was a lot of him all of a sudden getting a ton of platform in left wing spaces and left leaning media spaces when he was fucking lying the whole time. So, like, let's not do that again.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, I heard him on MSNBC being like, I could, I've never been to prom lying, but I could just tell from the sound of his voice. And I'm like, wait, wait, what? No, I just know he didn't go to the island. And I'm like. And there was no follow up question.

[Sammy]

Oh, oh, that. Oh, on the weekend when he was like, I never, I never went off.

[Tara Palmeri]

And I was like, wait, you were working on Stormy Daniels? You were working on Karen McDougal at the same exact time as the Katie Johnson case was filed? Yeah, why wouldn't I just ask? What do you mean? Michael, you were the fixer lawsuit that was filed against him.

[Sammy]

Three times he gets very like, knock, knock, knock. Like he goes from very like, like sort of just casual to like, no, absolutely nothing. I know he's. They were never. I never even heard Jeffrey Epstein's name.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Oh, my God.

[Sammy]

I'm sorry, that's not possible.

[Tara Palmeri]

So emphatic. Emphatic.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Come on.

[Tara Palmeri]

Look, I don't.

[Sammy]

It's. It's literally like I have. Nobody's done more for sex trafficking, you know, victims than me.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

You know who has a tell, though, is Tara. I could tell when Tara is interviewing somebody and she's got them on something because your ey like a little bit. And when you were talking to Michael Cohen, I knew you were gonna get his ass. Cause he was a liar. And you're very good at catching that and holding it in a way that you give them enough space to confess to their lying or to freak out. And when I was watching, I was like, she's got him. She's got him. Because he's so obviously lying. And the way you can hold your face and be like, mm, I don't think that's true. And then they freak. It's a good. It's a masterclass in journalism face.

[Sammy]

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[Tara Palmeri]

You're sweet. I don't, I don't know where that came from, but I was just like that. I felt it in my gut. Do you know what I mean?

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

I think you would have done the exact same thing. Because of course, too combative with them, it's going to put them on their back heel and, and denying too much. And in a way you have to kind of be like, yeah, yeah. And let them keep, like, talking so that they actually, like.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

It was like we were watching Criminal Minds. Tara was in there journalisming.

[Sammy]

They should have done that on the weekend.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

And then he tried to on you. And everybody who watches the video is like, she clearly got your ass. She clearly lying.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, well, whatever. I'm fine with that. The other person who really is bothering me right now is Michael Wolf. And I mean, like, that is straight to jail.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Straight to jail. Michael Wolf, what's going on with you?

[Tara Palmeri]

I know you knew about, like you were his pal, his image consultant for so long. Sending pictures from your wedding, like, oh, he's giving him drafts of your, of your pieces that you never wrote. It's like, I know, publish, like, just to flatter him. You want to buy the New York mag with him and Harvey Weinstein?

[Sammy]

No, Was that before the conviction, though?

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Like, wasn't that doesn't matter. We need.

[Sammy]

I agree, but I'm saying, like, it.

[Tara Palmeri]

Was sure everybody knew about Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, like Peggy Siegel.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Peggy Siegel, the publicist.

[Sammy]

She's all over it.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Get a child from Africa, it'll be so Madonna. I just wait.

[Sammy]

Someone says Michael Wolf is suing Melania, listen, that's a performance because he knows that Melania will never sue him because he actually knows all the stuff and he's not saying it and he's not saying it.

[Tara Palmeri]

Melania in the files does not look good. It confirms a lot of reporting from people like Andrew Lowney, who wrote a book that is not allowed to be published in America. And in his book he says that she was with Epstein first and then, and then it was introduced to Trump. Now these are tips, obviously, so you have to like, look at them for what they're worth. But it does. It is the same story that is in Andrew Lowney's book entitled and he's a very, you know, he's a really well respected journalist in the uk. I do want to like mention one other thing in my, that I wrote this week because I think it's important and I'll keep it short because it's a bit of a conflict of interest and I know that can kind of get boring. But Jay Clayton is running the investigation into Epstein future Epstein probes. Right. He's doing the follow up on if anyone will actually be prosecuted. You know, Trump said prosecute all the Democrats, Bill Clinton, Reid Hoffman, et cetera. And he was also in charge of turning over the core pieces of the Epstein files because they are in, those files are in the Southern District of New York where Glenn Maxwell was tried, where, where Jeffrey Epstein was supposed to be tried. Right. And he is so close with Epstein's inner circle, including Leon Black, who picked him to succeed him in his position as chair of Apollo Global Management, which he was kicked out of for paying Jeffrey Epstein $158 million to do his tax and estate planning. As if anyone has ever paid anyone that much. And so he's got these really close ties.

[Sammy]

Wait, I thought he picked Mark Rowan. I thought Mark Rowan was the successor.

[Tara Palmeri]

They were both, they were both picked. So he, it was both Mark Rowan and Jay Clayton. They shared it as chairman.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Okay.

[Tara Palmeri]

So.

[Sammy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

And he like announced that he's like after much, you know, search and this and that. And so which is another reason like Leon Black is actually in the files in an FBI presentation in which like for three women have accused there's so much bad evidence.

[Sammy]

He should be, he's sort of like, you see it all there with his case and they had the information and he just. No consequences.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

So what's this Jay Clayton thing though?

[Tara Palmeri]

So he's, he, he was picked by him to work for him and he worked for that firm that Leon Clay, that. Sorry. Leon Black retained a majority. Like seven. Not majority, but a substantial 7%, you know, stake in Apollo, in this company that he worked at less than a year ago.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

So he shouldn't be leading the. Yeah, obviously conflict of interest.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, he knows a lot about the Epstein Investig. The investigation that they did at Apollo, which I asked Apollo. Did SDNY subpoena those documents? Like, did they ask you for the doc, like for your investigation into his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? And they didn't. And so if he's gonna now subpoena a place that he once worked at. Plus until. Until. Until August, he also worked at Sullivan and Cromwell where he represented Reid Hoffman, who was also the target of an invest. Of the investigation.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

This guy is like so deeply entrenched in Epstein's inner circle. How can he lead any investigation into any future Epstein probes and really be trusted to turn anything over? I mean, Even in the FBI's investigation, they include allegations against Leon Black, among others.

[Sammy]

He should recuse himself, obviously, but they won't. And that, That's. That's like. It's like even if you aren't in it directly, there's so much conflict where people are like owed each other from just various reasons, various things.

[Tara Palmeri]

They're just like. And like, I think he was like married into like. Leon Black is married into something.

[Sammy]

Like his son now works at the. At the. On with the administration for the international Financial development Corporations.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. And Mark, you know, so like, it's all. It's like a massive circle of. I'm not going to use the word, but you know what I'm saying, like power policing itself. That is what is happening right now. Power policing itself. And that is why for so many decades this story remained unprosecuted. There was a sweetheart deal. It was because everybody knew everybody. There was a phone call to be made at the highest level. Ken Starr, Alan Dershowitz. Yeah. And Star. I know the first case. And it's like, you know, and then it went all the way up to Bill Barr, whose father.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Zampoli. Paolo Zampoli, also in there. Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

Howard Lutnick, who didn't. Who didn't have a relationship with him but wanted to go to his next door neighbor.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Next door neighbor. Next door neighbor.

[Sammy]

Epstein didn't like Lopnik. I'll say that. He wasn't interested in him.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

He didn't like Elon either. I mean, this is the thing. These people were such losers. Like, the only joy that I got today out of this was reading because I'M in like his whole sperm donation. Nasty world is that Epstein had low T. And I was like, you know what? For all of the like. Because we're also seeing a lot of like teenage boys and awful people on like Reddit and 4chan and different places where they are like celebrating Jeffrey Epstein. They think it's very funny to think that Epstein. Yeah, yeah. Oh, you think they don't know what.

[Sammy]

It is Like Epstein, they call him.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Uncle E. And they think it's funny because they're 12, 13, 14 year old boys and they have. They're completely disconnected from the reality of this and they're making stupid content about him and whatnot. And I. All I have to put into that world is he had low T. It's.

[Tara Palmeri]

He, it's. They're being transgressive. They think it's funny.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

They think it's funny.

[Tara Palmeri]

It's his generation of.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Yeah, it's like how people thought joking about O.J. simpson was funny. Right? It's not. And It's. But they're 12. They don't know what they're saying really. But they really. The Internet is forever, fellas. And so there's that. But it's. Yeah, there's a lot of gross and weird weirdness out there in the world. But this factors into the Internet being toxic for men in general, which may now is Epstein. Q. Did he start the manosphere? Like, I don't know. There's so many different rabbit holes people are on. But the looks maxing, which I'm convinced Peter Thiel is looks maxing now. Have you seen him lately?

[Tara Palmeri]

What's looks maxing?

[Sammy]

He looks terrible.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

So looks maxing is where the boys like chew on their cheeks to try and make their jawline super cut. The mewing thing that they do. Peter Thiel now has like some sort of surgery where he has like jaw could cut diamonds on right now. And he's never. He's always been a soft boy. He should probably understand. I'm like Peter Thiel flicks maxing. The longevity, the gene editing, the fact that Epstein not only wanted to freeze his sperm, but was asking questions about like, what the cryogenic viability of freezing his head and his penis would also be if it could be potentially like reanimated in the future. Like MIT weird deep research stuff. Like, there's so much freak shit out there that that's why I had to take a break from reading it because I was like, you, you will make yourself nuts with how many things these people were involved in and how Much weird science they're involved in.

[Tara Palmeri]

They want to be gods. They don't want to be human.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

They do.

[Tara Palmeri]

And the only way to reach that status is through science for them. Right. And so this is like a. You know, and even when you look at his island and the weird sculptures and the. The idol tree, and it kind of brings you back to Eyes Wide Shut a little bit.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Eyes Wide Shut, Yep.

[Tara Palmeri]

Exactly.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

And so the island, directed by Michael Bay. Also in the files.

[Sammy]

Can I ask a. Can I ask a potentially irresponsible question? Do you think there's any chance he's still alive?

[Tara Palmeri]

No.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Yeah. Well, each of you should make a case. I'm so much more willing to be down in anything is possible place right now. So maybe I'm not in a good place to answer, but my feeling is the emotional love that they had for him. I don't know. And I don't think Jeffrey Epstein would kill himself. I don't think his narcissism would allow for such a thing.

[Sammy]

But he was killed, though, Like.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Sure.

[Sammy]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

I mean, maybe Russia killed him. They do, like, you know, push people out windows and shit.

[Sammy]

No, no, no, no. He was. He died in the jail that the admin that the DOJ was in charge of.

[Tara Palmeri]

Apparently there's now an orange blob now. I. I think I saw that in passing.

[Sammy]

I saw that. I saw that.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Trap doors to the ocean. For God's sake. Alison.

[Sammy]

Yeah, that was.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Yeah. Maybe he was able to track her out of there. Ever see Epstein again, so in that way instead. But I don't think. I don't know if I believe he could be alive somewhere.

[Sammy]

Do you know why people think this?

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, guys, cbs. I'm gonna stop for a second. CBS News, Okay. Who has done some of the most expensive, extensive, and best reporting on this, by the way. They started 60 Minutes back in 2019, showing us multiple ways in which Jeffrey Epstein could have died. Multiple people who could have killed him. Like, they have been on this forever. 60 Minutes. And they say there's newly released video logs appear to contradict official accounts. Hold on. A flash or orange. Looks to be going up the L tier stairs. Could possibly be an inmate escorted up to the tier.

[Sammy]

Oh, like they brought someone in to do it.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, they're looking at it at the. At the time code of the OIG's analysis of video footage.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Oh, I believe he was killed. I don't think he killed himself. I think he was killed. Or he's, like, out there somewhere.

[Sammy]

No, the reason, you know, why people.

[Tara Palmeri]

Think he was something orange. But I can't show you guys right now, but I highly recommend you all go look it up after this and, and go and look at this because it's pretty, you know, it looks orange too.

[Sammy]

The reason that people think he's still alive is because his Fortnite account apparently showed up playing like last year or something in Israel. And when people pointed that out, he like, it went private or something.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Oh.

[Sammy]

So, yeah, I don't know.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Sperm is still on ice at the California Cryobank. So if people, I mean, I'm very interested in what has been done with that.

[Sammy]

And, and then there's the Reddit thing.

[Tara Palmeri]

I said, Rosemary Baby is in there.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

You know, people say he's got babies eugenics. He had such low sperm motility, though, that I don't know that he would have actually been able to, outside of ivf, impregnate anybody. So he'd have to have, you know, matched it up with like egg donors. And maybe that's where Nicole Junkerman comes in. I don't know.

[Tara Palmeri]

Like, I. It's like, you know how people try to make women feel bad for having like, fertility issues. You're like, I love how you're trying to like.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

I'm like, epstein's got low T and his sperm motility was 1.8 bros. It's.

[Tara Palmeri]

Like, I feel like women are always like told, like, freeze your eggs. Freeze your eggs. Like, otherwise they're gonna be all the eggs. And it's like, what about men? Like, your sperm gets older. It's closer. Linked to a number of other issues that children. I'm like, freeze your sperm. Why do we have to do all this?

[Sammy]

There's so much easier.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Told him he was, he was, you know, very, very low. I mean, he couldn't do IUI he couldn't naturally breed anybody for sure. No.

[Sammy]

But another theme is that they all have really weird looking dicks. Is like, according to. Which makes so much sense, is like they want to be with a woman who wouldn't know the difference because she's so right.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Or that they could. Yeah. That wouldn't know the difference and that they could control for sure. I just think they're. I think they're weird. I think a lot of them read like the guy who never got a girl. They have very morbid curiosity about female bodies in a way that's like, you know, you kind of figure that out when you're dating people your age and you're younger. You're like, show me yours. I'll show you mine. Like, they, they never got that experience with girls when they were younger. They never had like some normal experience dating. And then they grew up and were like, okay, I'm gonna, like, fulfill all my morbid, weird curiosities and like, womb envy and control of women and trying to figure out how I could, like, build the world without them because they make me uncomfortable.

[Tara Palmeri]

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[Sammy]

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[Tara Palmeri]

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[Sammy]

And that brought us back to right in the beginning that they were obsessed with controlling women's fertility, weight, teeth, appearance, everything. Everything.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, I mean, like, Virginia talked about, like, it was one of the things that she spoke about the most was the food, because they limited her food to keep them looking young, to make them look like little girls. And then like Adam Perry Lang, the chef would give her food and she felt like, seen and fed.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Apology fries. Let me tell you what those are like. As a former chef, when, when you know that the girls have had a hard time on the floor, maybe you were mean to them, the waitresses or whatever was going on. At the end of the night, you give them fries and you're like, are we cool? There's some fries. I'm sorry I yelled at you today or whatever happened, but that is what he did. That is like chef behavior. And the man went on to work for Mario Batali. So I have a lot of questions about Adam, but, you know, if you were giving Virginia Giuffre apology fries at the end of the night, then you know that she something wrong, go, go wrong for her. Like, that's, that's a chef thing to feed somebody who had a bad day. And so I just, I wish he would be more honest. I just.

[Tara Palmeri]

Him.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

The pilots, like, come on, guys.

[Tara Palmeri]

Like, they're all living very comfortable lives now, way more comfortably than, you know, most pilots and chefs. Like, I remember going to their houses and they're living in, like, beautiful gated communities. Those kind of like mini mansion, you know, the. I forget what they're called. Like a Mediterranean Style home. It's just they're, you know, they were paid really well to shut the f up and not.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

And are they still paid? Like, Jeffrey's estate still generates money. I mean, I'd love to know. I think his brother there's been fairly cooperative. But, like, how much? So is it, like, I'll give you 20% because I'm. I want to, you know.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

And also so much.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

And ventures. So he's making a lot of money off Peter Thiel, who's doing very well these days.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yep.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

We've solved nothing, but we had fun talking about it, I think. I don't know.

[Sammy]

That is what I'm trying to wrap my head around. Like, what do you do?

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Like, what do we do?

[Sammy]

You can't get accountability. It's not realistic to think that will happen soon. But in the future, somebody. Someone, we will have to remake things.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Well, I think this is the thing I cling to with Congressman Garcia and even Ro Khanna and different people is like, it will take actual generational power change before anybody's held accountable because there's so emotionally tied to either the nostalgia of the 90s and early 2000s and the lives they led, or they were financially invested by him. And I think that's why Garcia has a little bit more freedom to push a little harder, because he's like, the people in the Epstein files of my generation were the victims. And so I'm more interested in helping them than I am protecting the older people who have, you know, punished us in so many ways.

[Sammy]

Agree.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Well, thanks for hopping on, friends. I feel like we needed to do this for everybody being too involved in Terra. You've been doing this for frigging years, man. Like, what do you do to, like, deal with it?

[Tara Palmeri]

Stick my head in ice cold water? No, I actually really appreciate your work. Like, I am. I love your enthusiasm. I love what you're doing. Like, I think it's really detailed and, like, really some of the best journalism I've seen. Like, like, on it. And I actually, like, I think about it, and I have, like, so much pride in the independent journalism world, and I'm so happy to be a part of it because, like, I know if I was sitting in a newsroom like I was in the past, trying to report on Jeffrey Epstein, like, it wouldn't be happening. Like, I couldn't do it now. You couldn't be doing what you're doing now if we worked in mainstream media. How do I know this? Because when I worked, obviously ABC News, where I worked at they didn't publish Virginia Jew Fraser interview, which like, she worked so hard to get out of hiding to like actually sit down with them and do that, to speak out for the first time. They never published that. Like, even now you're not seeing live blogs anymore on cnn really of like the Epstein files. You don't, you're not seeing the kind of rigor and like, even Ellie Leonard, like pulling that like, file for me on Michael Cohen, like the kind of stuff that we, like, there's no interest even in the mainstream media of like, what does this man know about our president's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? Like, you know, and, and like the places that the independent media is going. It's just like I'm just, I'm so happy that there are people that have platforms like YouTube that are reaching such like huge amounts people. I'm being responsible. Like, I feel like you are. Some of the things are like tips like they are. And it's like, you know, I haven't.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Dealt with the tips and the Epstein stuff honestly because it's so traumatic. And it's sort of like if, if I'm going to hold true to telling people that the ver. When they were saying there was all those vaccine injuries you had to take with a grain of salt, then we have to take the tips the same way. These are unvetted and they should be investigated, but they haven't been corroborated yet. So it's sort of less responsible to that point to just put out these salacious, salacious, crazy things.

[Sammy]

Also, you know, there's also so much that is legit. It's like, you don't need to go to the stuff.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

It's not.

[Tara Palmeri]

Use the tip as a way to do further reporting and like actually figure out what, what, like how make some phone calls. You know what I mean? Like, do just do basic reporting. And I think like, there's enough in there. There's, you know, we're going to get a lot more files to paint a picture of Epstein's world, the depravity and like, again, you know who I think you should believe? Like the survivors. Believe the survivors. You know what I mean? Especially the ones who have come forward. Not to say that if you haven't come forward as a Jane Doe, but like, if you've done, if you have taken, you've testified, you know, before the court of law, you face perjury and you're telling your story which requires so much strength. Like, we need to take these women at their words. They Know the story. They've told the story over and over again. They. People have won't believe. Have refused to believe them. And now there are files that show that they weren't crazy.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Right. You know, that's what I think. Start there. They're on record. Like, let's get them, you know, front and center of the justice thing before we, you know, keep adding stuff and trying to, like, put it in front, because it might be more interesting for the moment. Like, there's. There's so much to deal with that you don't need to add unverified tips to it also. And drown. Drown them out in some ways. So do you think that this has anything to do with Savannah Guthrie's mom going missing, too? Because so many people have asked me that. Savannah Guthrie's mom has been abducted. Do you know about this?

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, sad. I know about it. And, like, I tried.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

And they're like, it's tied to Epstein because she did the first interview with the six women. And I'm like, I don't know if that's true, but. But it just seems really scary. Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

I think what I really. What? I think the story of what happened to Virginia is that. Sorry, not Virginia, Savannah. Is that, like, we live in an age right now where people are willing to commit crimes against public people all the time, and.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

You know, and it's happening.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Stochastic terrorism.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, it is. It's a type of terrorism. And it. It. I feel for her so much. This is like, one of the darkest types of ways to. To. To just To. To terrorize a person. And.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

And. And I don't. I mean, you could. You could draw any line to anything, but I don't see it being connected to Epstein. Yeah.

[Sammy]

I think it's like, things will caught. Like, things will become more clear with, like, they have to.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, they have to. I hope so. We'll get more filed, too. 3 million. And then the Clintons are testifying, which is.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Ghis Maxwell testifies on Monday. I'm going down.

[Sammy]

Steve Bannon. Like, what?

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

What?

[Sammy]

Michael Wolf.

[Tara Palmeri]

Like.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

Like, why don't you make more people with low T?

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, more people.

[Sammy]

You should keep a list of that.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

First of all, men with adult acne have estrogen problems. All right? I'm just telling you, man. Like, it. Low T. That's how every dude that's in the Epstein files now I'm going to describe as low T with a weird dick. And I think that that's fair.

[Tara Palmeri]

I think I should. That is.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

These are the ways we have to talk about it. Low T Weird Dick, Womb envy. These. That's destroys it. Yeah, nobody wants to be on the side of those guys.

[Tara Palmeri]

Womb envy is a real thing for sure. Yeah, they're sick by us.

[Unnamed Female Journalist/Contributor]

All right homies, thanks so much. See you guys later. Bye.

[Tara Palmeri]

Love you. Bye. That was another episode of the Tara Palmary Show. I'll keep continuing the story as it is developing. Please follow subscribe, share it with your friends. Tell everyone about this show. It's how we keep going. Please go to tar palmary.com and become a subscriber to the Red letter. If you become a paid subscriber, you get exclusive reporting straight to your inbox. How you can support my journalism I want to thank my producer, Eric Rabinate, Abby Baker doing my socials and research. Adam Stewart doing thumbnails Dan Rosen, my manager. Everybody is working overtime today. It's a Friday afternoon. They always know to dump it then, right? Just to ruin our our weekends. And that's why, because they're hoping that we won't be as persistent and on it as we are. So take a listen. Thank you for listening to the show and I'll be back again soon.

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