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Now justice and Intelligence Report reporter Ken Delaney and former U.S. attorney and Ms. Now legal analyst Barb McQuaid, host of the Tara Palmeri show podcast and author of the Red Letter substack, Tara Palmieri and the New York Times opinion columnist David French. It's great to have all of you guys with me this afternoon. Ken, I will start with you. Pam Bondi's original sin here was when she promised the Epstein client list back in December, Susie Wiles told Chris Whipple in Vanity Fair, quote, unquote, I think she completely whiffed on appreciating that that was the very targeted group that cared about this. First she gave them binders full of nothingness, and then she said that the witness list or the client list was on her desk. There is no client list and it sure as hell wasn't on her desk. So, Ken, why did it take this long for her to get fired?
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Well, I think because, Antonia, my reporting suggests that although everything you said about her mishandling of the Epstein matter is correct and definitely set the stage for this day and lost her support in the Republican Party, an equally, if not more important factor in Donald Trump's mind was his dissatisfaction with her inability to carry forward the prosecutions that he wanted directed at his perceived political enemies. And I was talking to people inside the Justice Department today who are very frustrated about that because their sense is that she was impeded not by any lack of will on her part, but by the legal system, by grand juries that refused to indict, and by judges who threw cases out against former FBI Director James Comey, for example, and the attorney General, Letitia James. So, and for that reason, she's being amply criticized today in these postmortems by Democrats who say she shattered the independence of the Justice Department and corruptly twisted it to the political whims of the White House by pursuing these investigations. But it wasn't enough for Donald Trump because she didn't results. And I'm not sure that anybody is going to be able to get the kind of results that he's looking for. Remember, famously, he sent that message on Truth Social back in September, which may have been intended as a private message to Pam Bondi, where he was complaining that she wasn't moving fast enough against his enemies, Adam Schiff and James Comey and Letitia James. But there's no doubt, going back to the Epstein case, that that dogged her because, you know, she promised the moon and then had to adopt the Justice Department position. Remember, they issued a statement saying, we don't plan release any files. We don't think there's any reason to do that. There's certainly no grounds to indict anybody. That was the official Justice Department position. It was only after Congress got involved and passed this law that required them to release these files. And they did so, by a lot of accounts, poorly. They made mistakes, they redacted things that shouldn't have been redacted. They released the names of victims, and in the end it appeared that they were pulling back things that were detrimental to Donald Trump, and then they would post them later. So it was a bit of a debacle and. And it definitely lost her confidence among Congressional Republicans. But I think at the end of the day, at least, my sources are saying the deciding factor was Donald Trump's dissatisfaction with her inability to go as far as he wanted and putting his enemies essentially in jail.
