D (5:30)

I agree with you. I've been Thinking for the longest time that he's going to pardon Diddy, because also, by the way, Diddy's probably written him a check. Let's just be clear, you know, and the Maxwell's have the money to write him a check, too. And, you know, Donald Trump is nothing if not an entrepreneur. And so I'm assuming that these pardons are coming. And. But for the way that she's being treated, the way you've described the way she's being treated, it sounds a lot like what I've read about how Jeffrey Epstein was treated when. When he was incarcerated in Florida. I mean, he was getting to leave that prison every day, go to his office accompanied by Florida Department of Law Enforcement officers who were treating him like they were his security, and then he would come back and sleep in the prison. But he was being allowed to go, come and go as he pleased, even though he's a literal child molester.

C (6:17)

In fact, he reportedly raped a girl during that period of time when police were on the other side of the door. I mean, that is how accommodating they were to him. He was walking around with an ankle bracelet in Palm beach. He spent 13 months in prison for a state crime of soliciting a minor for prostitution. The state of Florida should be ashamed that that was even a crime, that you could actually solicit a minor for prostitution. Institution that is not. You can't. That would make a minor a prostitute. A minor.

D (6:52)

That's right.

C (6:52)

Be a prostitute. And it's just. It's appalling if, if you really dig into the state case, I, I have a podcast called Broken Jeffrey Epstein, and I reported on it with the victims of Jeffrey Epstein. But I really dug into this case, and when it was presented before the grand jury in the state case, they literally told the grand jury, the state attorney and his. And her and his deputy, they told the. The grand jury, there are no victims here, and showed them the MySpace pages of these girls. I mean, this was the. This was the. To sort of suggest that they're promiscuous and they had it coming. This is the state of mind. This is the layer of protection around Jeffrey Epstein that continues after his death in the sense that the files have not been released, in the sense that Ghislaine Maxwell. I mean, this. It makes sense as to why she didn't speak during the trial. She probably knew at the end of the day that she was going to be able to pull some card.

D (7:51)

Well, I mean, the reality is you pull a card or you end up like Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, are you among those of us who do not believe that he died by his own hand?

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C (8:24)

Oh, yeah. I don't believe he died on his own. No.

D (8:27)

Yeah.

C (8:28)

I think he killed him. I think they. That he was killed. Absolutely. There are too many anomalies. There are too many strange occurrences that happened during this period of time. I also don't think as a narcissist that he was, you know, scribbling a note, no fun when asked what prison is like, that he truly believed that he wouldn't be able to pull a wild card and get out just like he did before.

D (8:51)

Yeah, I agree with you. I interviewed a gentleman when I was my oldest. My old show am Joy on msnbc that, that said that he was literally talking to his attorneys about his defense and was feeling enthusiastic about taking the case to trial because he knew he had so much dirt that he seemed confident. The idea that he suddenly went from that to suicidal just doesn't make sense. But the other piece of it is you think about all the people who were involved, right? The person who actually cut the deal for him winds up with a sweet deal, a job inside the first Trump administration, gets a cabinet post out of it. You now have Pam Bondi who, who said for a hot minute that she had the Epstein files on her desk and then suddenly she's like, what desk? I don't have a desk. That's not, that's not a thing. And now she has forgotten about herself. Cash Patel, who used to say the FBI director is, who has control the Epstein files and can release them, he now is saying, I don't know what you're talking about. He seems to have forgotten. He literally said that on his own podcast and on Glenn Beck's podcast. Dan Bongino, who also made his name essentially calling for the Epstein files. The COVID up feels total. Have you been able to get into the why? Why are all of these people suddenly developing amnesia about how evil Jeffrey Epstein was and about whether these victims need justice.

C (10:14)

I think it's pretty clear comes from the top President of the United States does not want us to read the Epstein files for whatever reason. And by the way, like during the campaign, he, he was happy to use it against President Clinton in 2016. But when asked about it in 2024, he was like, yeah, we'll look into it. He wasn't one of those fervent Epstein files. It's going to release a cabal of naughty Democrats and elites. Let's not forget that at the time when he was friends with Jeffrey Epstein, a very close friend of Jeffrey Epstein, he was a Democrat. He was writing checks to Democrats. He was hanging out in Epstein's circle. I know he claims that he did not write that lewd hard to Jeffrey for his 50th birthday, even though the estate handed it over to Congress after being subpoenaed. But he's mentioned not once but twice in that birthday book, a birthday book to Jeffrey Epstein. So it's really hard to not see why all of these people are completely flipping around. I. I think it's just, this is the mandate from the top. There is something in there that. That Donald Trump does not want the world to see.

D (11:28)

Yeah. And the reality is, I mean, if you all will recall, you know, Donald Trump was so much of a Democrat. The Clintons, Bill and Hillary went to his wedding to Melania. Like, they were at the wedding. You know what I mean? This is somebody who was playing in Democratic circles. He was popular among Hollywood liberals. You know, he was hanging out with them. Left. I mean, I. I remember interviewing Uncle Luke about all the rappers that were hanging out in his house at Mar a Lago, going to parties there. Donald Trump was partying with Diddy. He's known the diddler for a long, really long time. So Donald Trump was on the other side.

C (11:59)

He called him.

D (12:00)

He still calls him Puff Dad. Well, I mean, he is Puff dad, right? We're not going to change his name just because he's that. Listen, they said they don't want to recognize when trans people change their names. I recognize nothing. You're still Puff Daddy. It's still the Gulf of Mexico. This is how I roll. Let's talk a little bit about the financial angle of it, because we now find out that Elon Musk and Peter Thiel had pending potential meetings with Jeffrey Epstein or maybe to go to Epstein island to meet with him. That does not imply they were going to do anything. I'm not implying that. But there definitely was some sort of a connection being made between these tech oligarchs. And you can also throw in Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein does this story. And Steve Bannon. And Steve Bannon. Are we seeing this story morph into a story that's not just about the predation of Jeffrey Epstein, but about a global kind of, I don't know, a network of oligarchs around him and where the money is a bigger part of the story.

C (12:58)

I think the money has always been a part of the story. I think the money has been central. I think this was a massive crime operation. It was a sex trafficking operation. It was a honeypot scheme. You have to remember that Jeffrey Epstein used to brag to people that he would consult Vladimir Putin. And he used a lot of the same kind of KGB type schemes where he would bring powerful wealthy men to a remote location where they would be, you know, surrounded by beautiful young women and they would. And it would be a bacchanal type experience. And Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein suddenly had something on you that would cause a lot of social embarrassment. And he could use that. And that might be, hey, Mark Rowan, I want you to give me over a hundred million dollars to manage as your accountant, right, that your hedge fund guy from Apollo needs. Jeffrey Epstein, right, graduate from college and got fired as a math teacher to, to manage his money. There's always been a money angle in all of this. His was a hyper fixer. I mean, he. I mean, this is. It's just very classic. I remember one time when I was covering the World Economic Forum for, I think it was Politico at the time. And I remember I went to Oleg Deripaska's party. He's an oligarch. And I was in shock to see all of these scantily clad women all over the place around these CEOs and executives in, and they were dancing on them. And I'm thinking to myself, this place must just have cameras all over it. And they are just hoping to trap one of these men, one of these very powerful men. And Jeffrey Epstein essentially did that, whether he said it or not. I think once you spent some time with Jeffrey Epstein, you knew that this guy had some dirt on you and these guys liked it. And you even saw from Jess Staley, who was the CEO of JP Morgan, not CEO of JP Morgan, he was a senior leadership, like executive level level, vice president level, who allowed Jeffrey to bank there after he was a registered sex offender and really vouch for him that when Jess was pushed out of JP Morgan, Jeffrey helped make sure that he got a job at Chase. And you know, he was really instrumental in, in actually operating in these worlds to make sure that these guys to open doors for these people. That's why I say he's a hyper fixer. He really knew how to make himself indispensable to these men. And you can see it in the emails. But on top of that, when, when asked what would you like, Beauty and the Beast or Snow White? He could also provide that as well. And we know from emails that just Staley was in Epstein's hot tub when sending him emails at the Zorro Ranch. And yet he was allowed to just roll, roll in these very elite circles. It laundered his name and his reputation and, and it really allowed him to continue to live a life that a sex offender, any other type of person from.

D (16:00)

Yeah.

C (16:00)

From a lower class in society would never be treated that way.

D (16:03)

Yeah.

C (16:04)

And I welcome back.

D (16:05)

Absolutely. I mean, he was a big patron at, to Harvard. Alan Dershowitz was hanging out with them and saying, well, he was just getting massages from people who are not fully nude. Whatever he says, we don't know. We don't know what he did. Two more quick questions. One question. The international side of it, the Israel of it, specifically because a former prime minister of Israel is also named among the people who was snare, ensnared in Jeffrey Epstein's web. Does Israel. Are they. Do you have any reporting that suggests that Israel is holding on to any kompromat that could have been obtained from Jeffrey Epstein that might give them undue influence over Donald Trump?

C (16:42)

I don't, I really don't. I have just anecdotal, you know, threads that I've heard here and there. Obviously, he was friends with Ehud Barak. And when Ehud Barak, who was the former foreign minister in Israel, he would stay at Epstein's apartment and in his condos that he owned in the Upper east side. And so he was very close with his wife Daphne as well. And, and he, you know, he, according to, you know, Ghislaine Maxwell's testimony, he was also friends with her father, Robert Maxwell, who was a known Mossad agent, we also know, and who was buried at the Mount of Olives, by the way, in, in Israel after he mysteriously died off the side of his boat, the Lady Galen. So, you know, his, his partner in his modeling agency, MC Squared, Epstein's partner, he, Jean Luc Bernel, also died mysteriously in a jail cell by hanging. Question mark. Now, I don't know if this all goes back to Israel. I know from some reporting by an independent journalist in Alaska that Glenn Maxwell used to brag about her ex who was Mossad. I mean, she didn't say specifically that it was Jeffrey Epstein, but there are a lot of reasons to believe that he may not have only been helping Israel, but maybe even MI6, maybe the we know for a fact that he was an informant on a major Ponzi scheme. He helped the FBI on multiple occasions on the, the financial Towers case. He was a partner in this Ponzi scheme. But his partner went down, Stephen hoffenberg, for this $300 million Ponzi scheme. And you know, he went on to be an informant in another financial case. So he understood how to play both sides of the law. I see him as almost a Whitey Bulger figure. And I question if the, if that's why he got these sweetheart deals, because he was helpful to US Intelligence. I'm not saying he was a spy. I'm not saying they ran him. But I wonder if he had information that they found to be useful and if that was part of it.

D (18:52)

Last question, exit question. If in fact, I mean, at some point the speaker of the House has to reopen the House of Representatives. He can't keep it closed forever. And when that inevitably happens and they have to swear in Adelita Grijalva and that 218 vote, that vote comes up again. Do you have any reporting that suggests that any of the four Republicans who are right now being intensely pressured with primary threats against them? I'm sure with threats, threats against them. Marjorie Taylor Green, who's continuing to say she's going to read the Epstein files from the floor if she has to, who's gone, you know, completely off the ranch when it comes to the things that she's saying about this and some other stuff. Any reporting that says those four won't hold together and that any of the four will break, that's Lauren Bobert, Nancy May, some of the, for the worst of the worst and also the, the, the gentleman from Kentucky, Massie, any of them going to break?

C (19:46)

I don't think that, I don't think that Thomas Matthew will break. This is his thing. This is his bill. He's a co sponsor. This is his baby. I think Marjorie Taylor Greene is very dug in. I think she likes also the spotlight on her. I think Lauren Bobert is a bit of a yo in a YOLO place. I, I think she'll probably say, I think this the, the one to watch is Nancy Mace. And the reason I say that is even though she was emotionally affected by it, she left the, the conference after hearing from the survivors and was weeping. But she does want to run for governor in South Carolina and she needs that Trump endorsement. Is that going to be the thing that stops the Epstein style files from being released?

D (20:35)

And she's a survivor herself of sexual assault, which is pretty wild to think that she would play ball with this administration, that is this regime was trying to keep the Epstein files secret. Tara Palmeri, It's a Terraple Mary show. You guys are going to want to definitely get involved in that. You're going to want to pick that up, you're going to want to watch it, you're going to want to subscribe to it. Also the Red Letter, which is a hard hitting newsletter about power politics and the people who shape both subscribe to all of Tara's things because she's brilliant. Thank you so much. We appreciate you, Tara. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you. All right, round of applause, Jason, if you would, for Tara Palmeri. She's a good one. She's very smart.

C (21:09)

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