NEW Epstein Photos Released — What They Reveal

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Podcast Summary: The Tara Palmeri Show

Episode: NEW Epstein Photos Released — What They Reveal

Date: December 19, 2025
Host: Tara Palmeri
Guests: Don Lemon, “The Legends” (audience panel), Congressional voices via video (Rep. Robert Garcia, Sen. Ruben Gallego)

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Overview

This episode dives into the looming release of new Jeffrey Epstein-related files by the Department of Justice (DOJ), the recently surfaced disturbing photos from Epstein’s estate, and what these developments mean for public accountability. Tara Palmeri brings her extensive reporting background and interviews several key figures to examine the governmental process, newly revealed evidence, the experience of survivors, and the high-powered individuals tied to the scandal.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Imminent Release of Epstein Files (00:00–05:21, 06:04–07:53)

• Legal Mandate and Loopholes:
  The DOJ is legally required to hand over Epstein files, but Tara expresses skepticism, citing likely redactions and lack of transparency.

  • “I find it highly doubtful that we will see the full Epstein files... there are a lot of loopholes in the law that they could use to hold back information.” (00:25, Tara)

• Preparation and Redactions:
  The DOJ admits it is still compiling and redacting victim names, with new victims still coming forward, revealing the ongoing nature and difficulties of the process.

  • “As of Monday, they don’t have a process [to redact names] ... and they are still getting the names of new victims.” (06:27, Tara)

• Political Tensions & Distrust:
  There’s bipartisan maneuvering, with Republicans eager to distance President Trump and redirect blame. Survivors are wary, feeling repeatedly ignored or betrayed by authorities.

  • “Some survivors I spoke to today... just don’t trust the government. I don’t blame them after three decades of being completely ignored.” (01:32, Tara)

2. Explosive NYT Story & New Photos: Deeper Glimpse into Epstein’s World (01:58–02:41, 12:16–14:15)

• NYT Report Details: The New York Times released a bombshell article detailing Trump and Epstein’s friendship and joint efforts to exploit power, including making others uncomfortable.

  • “They would talk about their sexual exploits in front of one of Epstein’s assistants... to make her feel like she didn’t matter.” (01:58, Tara)

• Revelations Beyond Epstein as 'Lone Actor':

  • “It’s really important that this is reported that there were other men... all these people who try to suggest this is nothing more than one man, you know, that they learn that there were many involved.” (02:15, Tara)

• Photos and Their Symbolism: The newly released photos are described as “disturbing” and dehumanizing, depicting young women marked and objectified, and famous men in Epstein’s circle (e.g., Woody Allen, Sergey Brin, Bill Gates, Noam Chomsky).

  • “You can’t write yourself like that... it’s just not possible. So again, just showing how these men viewed women as... their things, not people.” (12:16, Tara)

3. Congressional Commentary on the Files (08:13–10:37)

• Difference in File Sources: Files about to be released by the DOJ are distinct from the estate documents already subpoenaed. The new files are expected to implicate a broader swath of powerful men.

  • (Rep. Robert Garcia): “All the pictures, the emails that you’ve been seeing... they’re not from the DOJ. These are from the Epstein estate. The DOJ has a ton of information... that information... likely will implicate all the powerful men that abused... women and girls.” (08:33–08:59)

• Call for Transparency & Justice:

  • (Sen. Ruben Gallego): “It’s time for the truth to come out. It’s time for these women not to be re-victimized again. And let’s remember, these men are still out there.” (10:08–10:28)

4. Breakdown of the Newly Released Epstein Photos (11:00–14:15)

• Images Discussed:
  • Women/young girls with “Lolita”-referencing graffiti.
  • Several powerful men in candid, comfortable settings with Epstein: David Blaine, Woody Allen, David Brooks, Sergey Brin, Bill Gates, and Noam Chomsky.
    • (Tara): “Pretty cozy. No wonder she was ready to dump him.” (13:54, on Bill Gates and a young woman)
  • The photos underline the normalization of predatory behavior and the interconnectedness of powerful social circles.

5. Impact on Survivors & the Weight of Covering the Story (14:37–18:38)

• Emotional Toll for Journalists & Survivors:
  Panelists acknowledge the dark, heavy energy of the evidence and commend Tara for her resilience.

  • (Panelist): “I feel really creeped out by those photos... Tara, I can’t imagine what you are going through when you have to deal with something this dark.” (14:41, Panelist “E”)

• Survivor Reactions:
  Many survivors feel a mix of empowerment and fear—hopeful for exposure yet terrified of being outed or harassed due to poor redactions or leaks.

  • “A lot of them are hoping that we actually see something tomorrow... a number of them are terrified... their names will come out, they’ll be embarrassed... their families... will be harassed by journalists...” (17:00, Tara)

• Exploitative Pattern:
  Tara recognizes the deep prevalence of abuse—sexual, mental, power-based, which makes this a deeply resonant issue for the public.

  • “So many people have been victims to sexual abuse... I think that’s another reason why 80% of people want the Epstein files released. I don’t think 80% of Americans agree on anything.” (18:02, Tara)

6. Q&A: Legal Recourse & Victims Naming Names (18:38–22:47)

• Legal Obstacles:
  Recourse is limited—possibly a civil suit against the DOJ, but oversight is lacking; much depends on political will and public pressure.

  • “They could probably file a suit against the Justice Department... but there just isn’t much oversight over that.” (19:07, Tara)

• NDAs and Outright Fear:
  Many victims are bound by settlements or Non-Disclosure Agreements, or are simply scared of retribution. This severely limits what can come out publicly, even if official files remain censored.

  • “I do think there were a lot of settlements that we don’t really know about.” (21:29, Tara)

• Notable Cases (Katie Johnson & Stacy Williams):

  • “Katie dropped her lawsuit because right before the election, citing harassment and threats...” (21:55, Tara)
  • “Stacy Williams actually told her story again to the New York Times... she stood by that. She hasn’t... sued the president or anything. I think the statute of limitations passed.” (22:00, Tara)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “They didn’t trip into his world. They consented. They consented to be a part of this dark, dark world.”
  — Tara Palmeri, on the men who surrounded and enabled Epstein (03:14)

• “If you can’t trust the Justice Department, how do you trust the Epstein files?”
  — Don Lemon (20:37)

• “So many people have been victims to sexual abuse, and it’s like the silent crime.”
  — Tara Palmeri (18:02)

• “It’s time for these women not to be revictimized again. And let’s remember, these men are still out there.”
  — Sen. Ruben Gallego (10:28)

• “You can’t write yourself like that... just showing how these men viewed women as being their things, not people.”
  — Tara Palmeri, on photos of girls and women with "Lolita" written on their bodies (12:16)

• “Pretty cozy. No wonder she was ready to dump him.”
  — Tara Palmeri, reacting to a photo of Bill Gates and an unidentified young woman (13:54)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:25 — Tara’s skepticism about transparency and DOJ’s legal obligations
• 02:15 — Importance of the New York Times confirming multiple perpetrators
• 06:27 — DOJ’s lack of redaction process and continuation of the victim list
• 08:33–09:11 — Rep. Garcia & Sen. Gallego explain document sources and implications
• 12:16 — Tara discusses significance of new photos (“Lolita” graffiti, objectification)
• 13:54 — Discussion of photo featuring Bill Gates
• 17:00 — Tara describes survivor anxieties around release and potential exposure
• 19:07 — Prospects of legal recourse for survivors if files remain withheld/redacted
• 21:55 — Review of Katie Johnson, Stacy Williams cases and the limitations on justice

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Conclusion: The Stakes and What’s Next

Tara Palmeri and host Don Lemon collectively emphasize the profound darkness at the heart of the Epstein scandal—the normalization and enablement of systemic sexual exploitation, the barriers to transparency, and the deeply personal risks faced by survivors. The highly anticipated DOJ file release could bring long-sought answers or deepen cynicism, depending on the thoroughness and transparency of the redactions. The images released so far reinforce the troubling connections of the world’s elite to Epstein’s predatory network and the long road survivors travel toward justice.

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Transcript

[A]

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Now, there are a lot of loopholes in the law that they could use to hold back information to redact. There's really no oversight, as we know. It's Pam Bondi, the attorney general who's overseeing all of this. Can we really trust her when she's lied in so many turns in this story? And we do know that Republicans have already started putting together talking points, ways that they can distance the story from President Trump and ways to turn it on Democrats, Democratic members of Congress. So they're bracing for something. They're not sure what they're going to get. Maybe the Trump administration has told them so. Maybe we will at least learn something new. I know some from some of the survivors I spoke to today that they're not too hopeful. They just, they just don't trust the government. I don't blame them after three decades of being completely ignored. But we'll see what happens. In the meantime, the New York Times has, like, a very explosive story out. I hope you read it. It's about how Epstein and Donald Trump are best friends, something that I've talked about a lot on this show, but it even has some new details in it that are really revealing about their friendship. And for example, they would talk about their sexual exploits in front of one of Epstein's assistants just to make her feel uncomfortable, to use their power over her, to lord over her and to make her feel like she didn't matter. Some of the new pictures that came out are really disturbing. And I talk about that with Don Lemon in this upcoming, in this upcoming segment. I hope you'll stick around for it. But, yeah, I mean, this, this piece, the one thing I was really happy that the New York Times reported on was that when they talked to the victims, the victim said, and then Jeffrey Epstein told us to, I guess you could use the word service, but be abused by other men. And, you know, for so, so many people say, oh, but was it just Jeffrey Epstein that he got all thousand women? And I think it's really important that this is reported, reported that there were other men and that all of these people who try to suggest that this is nothing more than one, the one man, you know, that they learn that there were many involved. You know, these pictures, they may not say much. Some of them, you know, they just are kind of scenes of Epstein's life. But I think when you couple that with the depravity around him and the signs and the birthday book and the pictures of the girls and the weird. Just the weirdness around him, the dental chair and, and, and just all the young girls and the way that they treated their. The way that their bodies, you know, were treated. And, and even, you know, his request for a girl that was, you know, and then they were just checked off like Schengen or Russia. Age, weight, you know, the way that they describe them, as if they're just cars with specifications to be boxed. I think it really paints a portrait of this world. And it makes you realize that the men who were around Jeffrey Epstein, they didn't trip into his world. They consented. They consented to be a part of this dark, dark world. Take a listen to this episode with Don Lemon. I will be here tomorrow. Please, as always, if you want more of my reporting, you can go to tarapaumarie.com you can sign up for the Red Letter. I will be reporting on this for the next 24 hours and more, but you can get my exclusive reporting. You can support my independent journalism by subscribing to the Red letter. And you can stay up to date on all of the happenings around this story. Take a listen here. DSW Designer Shoe Warehouse is the one stop shop for all your footwear needs with sneakers, boots and everything in between for every style, mood and occasion. You'll definitely find shoes that get you and prices that get your budget. DSW has what you need, but more importantly, they have what you didn't even know you wanted. 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[B]

Thank you very much. Tara Palmeri is a veteran journalist the author of Red Letter on Substack, and the host of the Tara Palmeri show right here on YouTube. I would encourage you to join all of them, become a member, and subscribe to all of them. Tara, I saw you back there in the green room laughing. I'm excited about my sponsors. If I don't, like, I'm not going to sponsor.

[A]

No, no. I just bought Aura.

[B]

You bought an aura?

[C]

Isn't it.

[B]

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[A]

Well, I don't want to say for who because, you know.

[B]

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[A]

Don't watch. Watch this. So I did just buy it, and I'm thinking to myself, wait, I wish I had the Lemon Code.

[B]

You should. You can get more. Why don't you return and then buy.

[A]

One with the Lemon Code and add the Lemon Code?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That's why I was laughing.

[B]

I'm like, wait, Tara, are we gonna see those files tomorrow?

[A]

Yeah, we're gonna see a lot of, like, blank pages, I'm sure. Unfortunately, I think they have to give us something legally. There's going to be some papers handed over. But I'm. You know, there are a lot of loopholes. There are a lot of holes in this law, and I. They're nowhere near where they should be. That the DOJ sent a letter over to judges Berman and Engelmeier, and they basically admitted that they don't even have a process yet in place. It's on Monday to. To redact the names of victims. They said that new victims are coming forward. They even created a victim, like, hotline, email Epstein victim or something like [e-mail] and. And they are still getting the names of new victims. So this is. As of Monday, they don't have a process. They don't have a full list of the victims. And, you know, by law, they have to redact the names of the victims. And then they also slipped in this email, in this letter, in, like, one of the footnotes, by the way, there might be defining details of some of the. The victims that comes out as part of, like, a mosaic, just detail. So while it might not be their names, you might know who they are because of the details. You know, if they weren't prolonging this for so long, they could have actually done the right thing and gone through the files. Instead, they spent, like, days, weeks back in May, redacting Trump's name for a Freedom of information request. Like a thousand agents, 24 hours.

[B]

They could have been doing the victims. Right?

[A]

Yeah, exactly. And it cost millions of dollars. It's like a Huge waste of money. And, and now these victims are just holding their breath, hoping that, first of all, a lot of them are hoping that we actually see something tomorrow. And the others are kind of terrified that the DOJ is going to be sloppy about it.

[B]

Yeah. Tara, I want you to listen to something, it's a little bit long, and then I'll play it and get your response to it. And then this is Robert Garcia and who else is it? It's Garcia and Senator Gallego, Ruben Gallo. And they are explaining what they are hoping for, what could happen. Here it is.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

Sarah Gallego here. And I have a guest with me here, ranking Member of House Oversight, Roberto Garcia, a good friend of mine who has forced a lot of information to come out about the Epstein case. But there's a difference between the information that's coming out tomorrow and the information that's come out now. And I want Robert to actually explain it. Take it away, Congressman.

[C]

The difference is that we actually have a subpoena in place through the Oversight Committee. So that subpoena is, ensures that we get information from the Epstein estate. So all the pictures, the emails that you've been seeing on the news, they're not from the doj. These are from the Epstein estate. And these are some of the photos.

[D]

That we have examples here.

[C]

Right, right. Here's some of the examples of pictures we have seen. Now, besides all these pictures, the DOJ has a ton of information. This information, of course, likely will implicate all the powerful men that abused, in some cases, raped and trafficked, women and girls exploited. And so that information that the White House has been covering up, they have to now release, starting tomorrow.

[D]

Now the question is, what is going to come out? Right, so Donald Trump ran a whole campaign, ran a whole campaign for two years about releasing the Epstein files. He even had this like show, like little pony where they said, we're releasing some files where you saw this, where a bunch of like conservative influencers came out with these, like, binders, ended up having nothing. So is through the courage of our members of Congress, some Republicans and all the Democrats are actually getting the files tomorrow, which is going to be, if done properly, a clear indication of who was involved in the sexual rape and exploitation of these young women.

[C]

That's exactly right. And Senator, I think what's important is that tomorrow the DOJ can do the right thing or they can continue what they've been doing for months and months and months, which has been a White House cover up on the truth. And so the President needs to do the right thing. There's one person in the country that has the power to release the files, and that is Donald Trump. And it has to be done tomorrow.

[D]

There's a possibility there's going to be a bunch of redactions to cover up and basically hire these rich, powerful men and the involvement of this president. But it doesn't mean that that's over. We still have other options. We'll hold them accountable, but it's time for the truth to come out. It's time for these women not to be revictimized again. And let's remember, these men are still out there.

[C]

That's right.

[D]

And sir, maybe one day. Constant. Finish it up.

[C]

Release the files. Do the right thing. Attorney General. Do the right things to President. It's time for justice for the survivors.

[B]

Okay, so, Tara, I'm much. I want to know what you think of that. And as we do that, I'm going to tell you about the newly released photos. We can put those up and then I want to bring the Legends in because they may have a few questions for you. And then, you know, we'll take it from there. But what did you think of what that video and what they did and.

[A]

Said it was interesting, you know?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Members of Congress trying to do social media is always awkward.

[B]

They're trying. At least they're trying.

[A]

Look, look forward. We're just gonna start throwing things. I mean, even. It's. It's fine. You know, I mean, they make a strong point, which they could have made in one word, which is that the files. We still. We still not have not seen the Epstein files. All we have seen so far are what they redacted. I'm not. Sorry. What they subpoenaed from the Epstein estate.

[B]

From the estate. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, Andy, I don't know what our. What our system will allow. Can we put up the pictures and have the Legends on at the same time? Yes. No. Maybe so.

[A]

I'll try.

[B]

Okay. And so then let's look at some of these photographs here. And that is this one. There's a lot of talk. Look. Lolita. You know, Lolita, the case and the book and the movie about a young girl that was exploited. And then there's. That's, you know, this is in there. And then there's another one. I'm not sure exactly what's written there. She was Lola and slacks. These, again, these are pictures that have just come out. These are from the Epstein. This is from the Epstein sh. She was Dolly at school. And these are. Is a tattoo or written. I'm not exactly sure. Lolita, the tip of the tongue. Taking a trip of three. Can't see what that steps.

[A]

Is written by someone else on this woman's body, which is really depleting. You can't write yourself like that. It's just not possible. So, again, just showing how these men viewed women as being their things, not people. Just. I'll just write what I want on them. They're just my little sex objects. And that's. That's all.

[B]

Go ahead. What's the next one?

[A]

I mean, it's just sick.

[B]

And so here you see David Blaine in the left standing. You see that? And then you see Epstein standing. And then next to Epstein in the green sweater. Or gray. I'm not probably green is Woody Allen. And I'm not sure who the other folks are. I can't. I'm not. My eyes are not that good. But again, these are from the House Oversight Committee.

[A]

I think it's.

[B]

Oh, no, there's one.

[A]

There's David Brooks, and that's Sergey Brin behind him.

[B]

Is that what. Who it is?

[A]

The other one. Go to the one that you were just on.

[B]

Oh, yeah, that's what I was wondering. I was asking who. I know that guy. Who's that?

[A]

That's Sergey Brin, the founder of Google.

[B]

Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's what it looks like. Okay.

[A]

Who else? The guy wearing black. I don't know. The guy is in the. I should know who that is.

[B]

David Brooks is a New York Times writer, and he's also. David Brooks is on, I think, believe pbs, like the News Hour.

[A]

Oh, Hanging out there.

[B]

And what else? Bill Gates with a woman whose face has been, you can say redacted. Blacked out. Who else? Bill Gates again with another young lady.

[A]

And.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, what else?

[A]

Pretty cozy. No wonder she was ready to dump him.

[B]

And then we saw the other side of this picture in the last tranche that was released. And. Anything else? Is that it? Is that. Oh, and this is Noam Chomsky on the plane. A plane. Maybe the plane. So, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I mean.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. Let's bring in the legends. Legends. We. I wanted you to be able to ask questions. Who wants to ask Tara a question? Who wants to ask any questions for Tara? If you don't, I will move on. Anybody?

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Hold on. Can I just say one thing?

[A]

Yep.

[B]

We have. We only have Tara for a little bit, so we have to.

[E]

Some Sage and Palo Santo. After what you just saw. Because I feel really creeped out by those photos. Right. Felt A really dark energy. Like, please, like, make sure we're cleansing our areas after seeing something like that. Like, Tara, I can't imagine what you are going through when you have to deal with some this dark. You know what I mean? This is not something that it could. That it like, weighs heavy. It weighs heavy on you, you know, and so I just really hope that you're taking care of yourself, because that was some disturbing stuff and make sure that you're able to ingest that type of energy, you know?

[B]

Well, Tara and I talk about that.

[E]

And it can be.

[B]

It can really weigh on you, Tara, when you have to cover this and that this is your beat.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I don't just cover Epstein, although I have really been in it. It's. You know, I do feel like having no. Knowing so much about it and feeling like almost like a, you know, I wouldn't say obligation, but just like a. You know, I want this story to. I want this story to be told. Like, I don't want the darkness around it anymore. There's so much that hasn't been reported that can't. Hasn't made it. There are so many men that, like, you know, in this New York Times article that came out, they kept saying that so many of these girls were told by Epstein to serve as other men. And then yet we're still asked, like, are we sure there were other men that trafficked all thousand girls? And it's like, yeah, you think Epstein took all thousand of them? But, yeah, it's a really. It's a really dark story. Everybody who's covering it, I think, has to, like, kind of, you know, from time to time, take a break.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. You're really see that. Yeah.

[B]

Katie, go ahead.

[A]

Hi, Tara. So my biggest thought whenever I. I hear about all this is really, how are the survivors doing? Because as a survivor myself, not of Epstein, but I mean, even for someone like me, this is so triggering. I can't even imagine how these poor women are feeling. How are they really doing with all of this? Well, I think there was a feeling of, like, finally having power and seeing Trump and like, the Republican Congress basically falling to their knees under because of their campaign. Like, they were the ones who were out there. But then there's, you know, a number of them that are terrified the DOJ is going to do a sloppy job in releasing the files tomorrow and will somehow be, you know, their names will come out, they'll be embarrassed. Their families, like, will know that maybe they didn't know. They'll be harassed by journalists feel. Feel shame or the men that they're accusing may try to come after them. There'll be threats. Like they're suddenly in the public sphere. And they never asked for that in their lives. You know, they didn't ask for any of this. Right. They always had to endure, you know, the abuse. So I do think, like, you know, what I've learned from this story, I've really learned that so many people have been victims to sexual abuse, and it's like the silent crime. And. And, you know, it's. I think that's another reason why they're. 80% of people want the Epstein vials released. I mean, that is not. I don't think 80% of Americans agree on anything. You know, and I. It just is a reminder. It makes people in their core, they just know that this is dark, this. There is unjust. And so many people have. Have been abused, whether it's sexual, whether it's me, you know, mental abuse. There's. It's just people have. They have taken advantage of their power, exploitation.

[B]

A lot of people have been exploited in a number of different ways. So I'm going to do a lightning round from both the question and answer because I want as many people again and we. Tara only has so much time, so go ahead. Phil, quick question, please. Yes. Hi, Tara. Is there any other possible legal recourses? The victims have the files not be released tomorrow? Do they have any other ways to. To get some repercussions civilly, legally, what have you?

[A]

That's a really good question. You know, I don't know. I don't. I mean, I guess they could sue the Justice Department, which I think they're already doing anyway, but they could probably file a suit against the Justice Department. Like, I hope that the. The Congress, at least, perhaps the Democratic Congress, if they win the House back in the midterms, will actually do oversight into what the Department of Justice has done. And because right now they're. They're able to redact and put forward anything they want and hold back whatever they want. Unfortunately, there isn't much oversight over that. You know, I spoke to a Democratic member who was really pushing for this, Epstein, for the bill to release the files. And I said, well, what are you going to do if we don't see anything? And they were like, well, we got the bill passed. Can't really do anything more than that. And they're kind of. I feel like in some ways they're washing their hands clean of this. So I think there's going to have to be a sustained pressure campaign from the survivors to make sure that what we're seeing is the full story. But there are just so many holes in this. They can redact. I mean, they can hold back things for an ongoing investigation. We know President Trump is, is investigating Democrats associated with Jeffrey Epstein and could, you know, relate to national security. I mean, if he's was truly like a spy, as people say, people could say that's related to national security. You know, you could say that if, if it relates to Prince Andrew in some way. So, you know, I, I don't trust this Justice Department. I mean, how can you when you've got all these.

[B]

So, and the question is, how do you trust the Epstein files? I mean, if you can't trust the Justice Department. Jen Griffin, you have your Hannah hand up?

[A]

Yes, thank you, Don. I was just wondering, as far as, excuse me, the victims, do they have a way of determining whether everything comes out? Like, are they prepared to come out with names if names are not released? I don't, I, again, like, I don't know. I mean, they can sue, I think, but like, I don't know that there's any recourse. And you're.

[B]

Some of them, I think if I don't mean cut you up, he's in it. Some of them are reluctant to because one, they're afraid of retribution. And two, have they, some of them signed NDAs. Right. Like, there were there settlements or something. Am I wrong?

[A]

Yeah, I do think there were a lot of settlements that we don't really know about. And my other question is about Katie Johnson and Stacy Williams. Both of them have, have come out publicly and said that they were touched by Donald Trump, but nobody ever talks about them. Can you talk about their situations?

[B]

Well, I know one of them, maybe both of them. Didn't they retract it?

[A]

No. Katie dropped her lawsuit, the Katie Johnson case, because right before the election, citing harassment and threats, Stacey Williams actually told her story again to the New York Times. She said she was touched inappropriately in front of Jeffrey Epstein. And she said she stood by that. She hasn't. Like, I don't think she's suing the president or doing anything about it. I think the statute of limitations has passed. And it wasn't, you know, some might argue it wasn't in sexual harassment, but I don't know that. I don't know how that stands up in the court of law. Again, I'm not really a lawyer, so I'm not, maybe not the right person, but when I was just actually texting with Katie Johnson's lawyer, and he was just saying, you know, like, still haven't heard from her. And he felt that she was really credible. I mean, she filed the suit three times.

[B]

Yeah, I think, Tara, you have to go, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Tara has to go. I'm sorry. Not everybody. I wanted to do a lightning round, but it went on a little bit long, so. Sorry, Tara. Thank you. We'll see what happens tomorrow. Be. Be stay close.

[A]

I will for sure. Thanks, guys.

[B]

Make sure you follow Tara on YouTube, on substack and all platforms. Thank you.

[A]

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