Predicting 2026's Political Fortunes — Trump, Erika Kirk, Crockett and more

Summary

The Tara Palmeri Show: "Predicting 2026's Political Fortunes — Trump, Erika Kirk, Crockett and More"

Episode Date: January 2, 2026
Host: Tara Palmeri
Guest: Julie Mason, veteran Washington journalist and political forecaster

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Episode Overview

Tara Palmeri sits down with Julie Mason, renowned for her sharp political insight and tarot-inspired forecasts, for a lively, irreverent discussion on the emerging fortunes and possible downfalls of America’s political elite as 2026 unfolds. Drawing on both hard reporting and Mason’s intuitive “card pulls,” the two examine key power players from Trump to up-and-coming names, midterm election turmoil, generational change, and the shapes both major parties could soon take.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Julie Mason’s Eerie Predictions Realized

• Tara recaps Mason's remarkable predictions from June 2025, including:
  • Elise Stefanik’s political ambitions ending ("the death card" referencing collapse of her hopes) [01:51]
  • A GOP-created scandal, presaging the Epstein files fallout [02:28]

Julie Mason [01:51]: "It just means, like, the death of your hopes and dreams in this context, basically... she’s not going to get it."

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2. The Epstein Files and A Republican Reckoning

• Julie sees the GOP rocked by something “vicious,” adjacent to but not entirely the Epstein matter [02:28–06:13]. Possibilities include...
  • Trump pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell, causing uproar [06:07]
  • Susie Wiles’ evasive answers about Maxwell’s treatment stir further intrigue

Julie Mason [06:13]: "Maybe he’s going to pardon her and everyone’s going to go crazy. You could totally see that, couldn’t you?"
Tara [06:19]: "A hundo pay. I mean, I’m surprised hasn’t happened already..."

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3. Trump’s Waning Power, Imminent GOP Revolt

• Julie forecasts Trump’s “judgment” and “reckoning” soon, driven from within the GOP [08:10]
• A younger successor will overshadow him; J.D. Vance is a candidate, but perhaps not the heir apparent [09:03–12:09]
• Vance is depicted as disgruntled, focused on losses not gains [12:09–12:58]

Julie Mason [08:10]: "That judgment is coming pretty soon... There will be a reckoning, and it will happen within the GOP." Tara [12:58]: “He’s like a 40 something in that job... basically has the skills of a podcast host. Not—nothing against podcasts.”

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4. Elon Musk’s Political Trajectory

• Musk’s failed efforts to be a kingmaker; his ambitions have scaled back to “sugar daddy donor” status [09:15–11:35]
• 2026 brings him more harmony, as he seeks peace and withdraws further from direct politics

Julie Mason [10:24]: "I think the year to come for him is going to be much better… he’s going to be looking for, like, a little bit of peace and stability in his life..."

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5. Rising and Waning Stars on the Right

• Erika Kirk: Enterprising, with empire-building ambitions, possibly expanding TPUSA, and media aspirations [13:25–14:14]

Julie Mason [13:46]: "...she’s building an empire. She’s empire building."

• Candace Owens: Her MAGA influence will rebalance—not disappear, but possibly diminish [14:22]
• Thomas Massie: Survives reelection amid dirty tricks and duplicity ("John McCain bad") [15:39–15:58]

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6. Democratic Fortunes, New Faces & Losses

• Jasmine Crockett (TX Senate candidate): Both cards and analysis predict a loss, but a potential romantic gain [16:38–18:12]

Julie Mason [17:01]: "This is just the five of cups... only seeing their loss... as a political journalist, I don’t see it. But also as a tarot card reader, I also don’t see it."

• Hakeem Jeffries: Will be a low-key, even dull, Speaker—steady but ill-matched to the current tumultuous moment [19:52]

Julie Mason [19:52]: “He won’t be bad or ineffective... just sort of a dissonant note.”

• Chuck Schumer: Political survivor with strong instincts and staying power [20:49–21:07]

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7. Personal Ambitions and Flaws — Newsom, Harris, AOC

• Gavin Newsom: If not president, will be “rich as hell;” money is a clear motivator [21:16–21:57]
• Kamala Harris: Will reemerge, but colder, more austere; no longer effusive or emotive [22:02–22:55]

Julie Mason [22:02]: “She’s not going to be as emotive... a woman, the queen of swords. Not in touch with her feelings. Pretty cold. She’s cold.”

• AOC: Remains a GOP foil; continues to generate headlines and drama [23:25–24:15]

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8. 2026 Midterms: Chaotic Shake-Up

• Everything changes—“throwing all the sticks up in the air”—with both parties in flux [24:15–24:45]
• The GOP will not snap back to a “gentleman’s party” model (Bush-era); the party is reshaping with “dark elements” in ascendance (Nick Fuentes mention) [25:02–25:58]
• The so-called "gripers" won’t win in the end; instead, a strong, charismatic, older male leader emerges to steer the GOP away from them [26:04–26:31]

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9. Key Individuals: Troubles and Transitions

Marco Rubio: Faces “upheaval and chaos,” a “thousand headaches”; possibly war tribunal-related blowback [27:05–28:20]
Pam Bondi: Is “fine”—buoyed by love, possibly protected by her loyalty to Trump [29:16–29:51]
Kristi Noem: Facing a “fresh start,” possibly forced to “try something new” post-cabinet [30:05–30:36]
Cash Patel: Experiences job loss or an ending; instability beneath the cabinet surface [30:42–31:45]
Wes Moore: Could be the new Democratic face; comparisons to Obama will shadow him, though he is his own man [33:01–33:44]
Mike Johnson: In a strong position now, but faces more battles and will experience a significant rupture in a key relationship [34:10–35:09]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Julie [06:13]: “Maybe he’s going to pardon [Ghislaine] and everyone’s going to go crazy. You could totally see that, couldn’t you?”
• Tara [07:30]: “He’s in the bubble. He’s in the White House bubble.”
• Julie [08:10]: “That judgment is coming pretty soon… There will be a reckoning, and it will happen within the GOP.”
• Julie [13:46]: “She’s building an empire. She’s empire building.”
• Julie [19:52]: “He won’t be bad or ineffective...just sort of a dissonant note.”
• Julie [22:02]: “She’s not going to be as emotive...pretty cold. She’s cold.”
• Julie [24:30]: “Everything’s changing. Everything, everything. It’s almost like throwing all the sticks up in the air and everyone gets a fresh start.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Trump’s Power & Pardons: [06:07] – [09:03]
• Elon Musk’s Political Withdrawal: [09:15] – [11:35]
• J.D. Vance’s Position: [12:09] – [12:58]
• Erika Kirk’s Rise: [13:25] – [14:14]
• Democratic Prospects (Jeffries, Schumer, Crockett, Newsom, Harris, AOC): [16:29] – [24:15]
• Midterm Chaos / Party Shifts: [24:15] – [26:31]
• Rubio/Cabinet/GOP Personalities: [27:05] – [31:45]
• Wes Moore as Democratic Newcomer: [33:01] – [33:44]
• Mike Johnson’s Upcoming Battles: [34:10] – [35:09]

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Tone and Language

Conversational, sharp, unsparing, and infused with humor. Both Tara and Julie blend seasoned reporting with playful mysticism, never shying from calling out political weaknesses and power plays. Julie’s tarot pulls lend color and a sense of “future shock” to otherwise hard-nosed Beltway analysis.

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Summary Takeaway

Listeners get an unvarnished, sometimes satirical look at Washington machinations in 2026. Julie Mason’s uncanny track record for predictions underpins her bold claims about political collapses, resurgences, and scandals to come. Both major parties are in for turbulent transformations, and the characters at the top—Trump, Musk, Harris, Kirk, AOC, et al.—will have to adapt, vanish, or reinvent themselves as the political winds shift.

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For detailed segments, specific gossip, or to hear Julie’s tarot methodology in real-time, start at [04:32] for the predictions proper.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[C]

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Trump.

[A]

How soon before he's completely lame? Doc loses all power and then the GOP revolts against him.

[B]

Oh, yeah, that's. That judgment is coming pretty soon.

[A]

Welcome back to the Tara Palmeri Show. I hope you had a restful and wonderful new year. That's Julie Mason. She's a veteran Washington journalist who I first met when I was a cover reporter at the Washington examiner and she was the White House correspondent. She now has her own show on Sirius XM's POTUS channel. She's not only one of the smartest journalists in town, but she has a knack for predicting the future. That's right. Political types from all across Washington come to Julie to pull cards for them. I do. And we spoke back in June 2025, and some of the things that she said has, they've actually happened, and we're going to talk about them in the show. And I figured I'd check in with her before the new year to find out what's going to happen in Washington with the power players and the balance of power. So we talked. We talked about President Trump, J.D. vance, Marco Rubio, Elon Musk, Erica Kirk, Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris. We talk about what the future holds for them. Last time I spoke to Julie In June of 2025, she said this about Elise Stefanik.

[B]

The death card. Yeah. No, it does not literally mean death. It means she's gonna die. No, it's okay, Congresswoman. No, it just. It just means, like. Just. It means, like, the death of your hopes and dreams in this context, basically. Like, if this is what she really wants, she's not going to get it.

[A]

Well, since we recorded this show the week before Christmas, Stefanik announced that she was retiring from Congress and. And dropping out of the race for governor of New York. Here's another eerie prediction that Julie made back in June. That the GOP would be rocked by a scandal of their own making.

[B]

Ooh, I think there's going to be some scandal or gossip. I Think there's going to be something sort of vicious in circulation around the midterms and circulating around the Republicans. Something, something that bubbles up from, from things that people are talking about, you know, that kind of get into the political bloodstream. I think it's going to be something quite vicious and I'm not sure that the Democrats are going to be the authors of it. I think it's going to be something the Republicans did that's going to become a real problem for the party in the midterms.

[A]

That sounds like it was about Epstein to me. We pull cards to find out more. Take a listen here. It's a fun one.

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[A]

Julie, Julie, Julie. The most mystical reporter in Washington, D.C. she can look into the future. I'm convinced. I had a really spooky weekend with her in Provincetown in which I, you know, I became fully convinced that she can not only report, but actually see into the future. And I had her on the show back in June and some of the predictions have happened and I am like fully in shock, so. Well, first of all, thanks for coming on the show, Julie.

[B]

Anytime.

[A]

I just want to preface this for everyone. We are recording this for the holidays. So we actually are recording this on Tuesday, December 16th. So what Julie predicts right now could already develop by the time you listen to this on Christmas, Hanukkah week and New Year. So.

[B]

I'm shuffling the cards. I'm doing it.

[A]

She's shuffling the cards. But I first want you to be accountable for your last predictions. I don't remember.

[B]

I never remember my predictions.

[A]

I know, but we, but the good thing is that we recorded it. So Abby, Abby the intern, she listened again. And I, I'll never forget the one thing you said. You said that there would be a scandal that overshadows the midterms. And you said that it would be within the GOP and it would be a scandal of their own making. It wouldn't be something that the Democrats could cook up. It would be literally coming from the GOP itself and it would dog them. And I've got to ask you Is that the Epstein files? I don't know.

[B]

All right. Do you want me to ask the cards if it's.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

All right. All right, let's find out. It might be, but I think it might be something ancillary to the Epstein files. It's not. It's not a direct correlation, but it might be related. I don't know. I don't know what that means or where that's going, but I don't want to rule it out. I don't want to rule it in. It's a little ambiguous. Ask. If you ask another question, we might get a little more clarity.

[A]

Okay. Is it because what we will find out in the files or just the idea that we didn't get the files? Or do you think it's going to be people's names who are revealed, or do you think President Trump is just going to be drowning in it and. And that. Am I asking. I'm asking too many questions for the cards.

[B]

It's going to involve a woman.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Maybe he pardons Glenn Maxwell and it like, the world crazy.

[B]

Maybe, yes. Maybe he's going to pardon her and everyone's going to go crazy. You could totally see that, couldn't you?

[A]

Oh, a hundo pay. I mean, I'm surprised hasn't happened already in that interview, the Vanity Fair interview with Susie Wiles. She's asked about it and she's like, really? That happened? I can't believe that happened. I don't know how that happened. That she got moved into a better facility and got those questions and then got to talk to Todd Blanche, the deputy Attorney general, like, just completely, you know, acting, like, oblivious. And then Christopher Whipple, who's the writer of this piece, explosive piece, asks again, you know, can you check in and find out how did this happen? Who called for it, never hears back. Everything else is answered except that one.

[B]

I mean, there's so. The President, Tara seems so out of touch with his base right now. I think. I really think that when he made that reaction to Rob Reiner's killing, he really expected everyone to be like, yeah, yeah. It was kind of like when he fought with Marjorie Taylor Greene, expected everyone to be on side with him, and they weren't. And. And I think it's that same kind of mindset where, like, well, whatever I do, they're gonna love it. So I'm gonna pardon Glenn Maxwell and there will be no blowback.

[A]

He's in the bubble. He's in the White House bubble.

[B]

Deep. I mean, I've seen it before, but this. This. It's like a whole new level.

[A]

Affordability is a hoax.

[B]

The same way is not. I mean, not the same way, but he was similarly checked out in his second term. Stopped watching the news, had no idea what his were. Wasn't getting any bad news, only knew what his staff told him on purpose because he just didn't want to hear it anymore. And that's how he kind of missed Katrina.

[A]

Right. Interesting. Okay, so Trump, how soon before he's completely lame Doc loses all power and then the GOP revolts against him?

[B]

Oh, yeah, that's. That judgment is coming pretty soon. Like, I think. I don't know if you can see with the glare, but, yeah, that's the judgment card. There will be, like, a. There will be a reckoning. There will. There will be a reckoning, and it.

[A]

Will happen within the gop. You think?

[B]

Yeah, definitely.

[A]

To have no one standing behind him, and he'll just be completely lame duck.

[B]

Yeah, very lame duck.

[A]

Impeached.

[B]

I mean, didn't. What? Didn't Susie Wiles say that that's kind of why he keeps talking about a third term?

[A]

Or.

[B]

I mean, she's just taking everyone out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So he seems like the added benefit of keeping everyone on edge. And he's still, you know, the one we go to to find out what it all means and blah. He hasn't. He hasn't lost his power of attention.

[A]

Until when? Until that goes away?

[B]

Well, let's find out. Someone younger is going to come and take the attention away from him.

[A]

Ooh.

[B]

So maybe J.D. vance.

[A]

Ooh. Okay. Last time we talked a lot about Elon Musk because he was still on his wreckage. You know, Doge, you've said that he feels very little regret over it. You said he'll be back in a modified way. He's not done with politics. This was around the time when, you know, he said, poof, I'm out. You're in the Epstein files. Fingers. You know, you. You pulled the 10 of wands. It does seem like he's kind of inching his way back in. Axios reported that he's quietly begun funding for the House and Senate GOP races.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, it's far short. Remember when he was launching his own party, Tara? Yeah. Was it the America Party or something? And we were all like, yeah, no, that's not going to happen. And that didn't happen. But he had all these ideas of how he was going to be influential and. And it's really gotten scaled way back now. He's just Giving money like an everyday billionaire.

[A]

So what do we think is a future for Elon Musk? Is he just going to be some, like, have to be rank and file file sugar daddy donor? Or will he. Or does he like owning, you know, X give him just infinitely more power than anyone else because he controls the algorithm of the Right.

[B]

I think the year to come for him is going to be much better. This is the Three of Cups. I think it's going to be much more harmonious than the year that was. I mean, I think he's leaving all this drama in the rear view, really scaling down. I think he's going to be looking for, like, a little bit of peace and stability in his life, which I don't think he has particularly valued much, just given his public life. You know, he's not a guy who, like, protects his peace, like we say, but I think he's going to be looking for that in the year to come. And in order to do that, you really have to leave politics behind. So I, I think he's going to become a lot more circumspect in politics.

[A]

Interesting. Hard to imagine him being circumspect, but maybe he'll just, you know, listen to his advisors and stay at a distance. Although I think he was on Katie Miller's podcast. But then again, no one really cares anymore because he's out of. Out of, you know, the White House.

[B]

And it's like, right, his power is just in a different place entirely. But I, but I just, I think that that experience with government left him with so much sort of turmoil and obviously it hurt his business. And I think he just wants to go to a better place next year.

[A]

A better place. Okay, let's. Let's talk about successor for Trump. Like, who is this person? You said it might be J.D. vance.

[B]

No, I was saying he will be, he will be, like, sort of overshadowed. Like, he will be a younger man who is definitely coming to step on his mojo, just step on it and take it from him. And so you're wondering who's that going to be?

[A]

Kinda. I mean, should we pull a card for JD since his. He is the heir, apparently. Let's do it.

[B]

JD is really preoccupied with the injustice of it all. And he's really. This is the, this is the Eight of Cups and it's someone walking away from a party and they're mad and he's really, like, focused more on what he's lost than what he's got. And I, I think he's feeling a little. He's having some bad feelings lately. Maybe feeling a little disgruntled.

[A]

Maybe he feels like he should be the heir apparent. No one should be questioning it. And maybe he's annoyed that there's a little bit of that Marco tension going on.

[B]

Right, right. And the way it's coming through for him is that he is not really acknowledging the power that he has as vi. He's only mad about what he's not being given. You know, he's not seeing what he has. He's focusing on what he wants.

[A]

He's like a 40 something in that job who was. Is basically has the skills of a podcast host. Not. Nothing against podcast.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know. All right then, let's talk about some rising stars in the party. Erica Kerr, can we pull a card? Is she going away or she can use the grief tour to turn this bigger for herself.

[B]

Much bigger. She has really big plans. She has sent her ships out into the world and is waiting to see what they will bring back. She, she's got big plans, Very big plans. I mean they are, they're not grandiose, but it's definitely almost like nation building. You know, she's building an empire. She's empire building.

[A]

So she kind of like she'll take over TP usa Turning Points USA and just make it bigger.

[B]

And yeah, I wouldn't rule out a TV show for her. I wouldn't rule out, you know, maybe a radio show like some. She's, she's spreading a lot of canvas slowly. She's seeding these ideas. She's got a lot of people in her ear telling her what she needs to be doing, how, like what her empire is going to have to look like. And she's, she's making a start on that.

[A]

Will Candace Owens ever go away?

[B]

There's going to be a rebalancing of, of her influence. I mean, we saw her meet with Erica Kirk. Right. And she's with all and Sundry and maga. I think there's going to be a rebalancing this, this card obviously is someone like trying to juggle. And so I think there's going to be a rebalancing of her influence inside of maga. And, and so if you think she has too much, she will get less. If you think she doesn't have enough, you might see she gets more. But there's going to be a recalibration of her presence. But no, I don't see her going away. I, I think she may become slightly more diminished.

[A]

Got it. We talked about Thomas Massie last time because he was the thorn in Trump's side when he tried to pass that big, beautiful bill. And, you know, he remains a thorn in Trump's side for passing the Epstein files bill. And you said that you pulled the nine of pentagrams for him and you said, whatever he does, he'll make bank. And you. You pointed out quite astutely that he is a PhD, he's a very smart farmer. Well, he's actually create. You know, he's created a lot of different. I mean, he's like an engineer, right, an inventor. But do we think that he will survive his reelection or will he just drop out like the rest of them and just ride off on his high horse?

[B]

I think he's. I think. I think he's gonna win, but I think it's gonna. He's gonna face a lot of dishonesty, duplicity, some really backstabby games. I think there's a lot of dirty tricks in that campaign, either by him or against him, but it is going to be a dirty tricks campaign.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

Clearly. Like. Like, bad. Like John McCain bad. Like that kind of bad.

[A]

All right. I want to get into, like, Democrats, too, because why not? We're in midterm zone. We got a year to go. Jasmine Crockett running for Senate in Texas. Everyone's like hair on fire. Oh, my God. Did they. First of all, does she have any chance the Democrats ever really have a chance? Anyway, you know Texas better than anyone. I mean, you are better than anyone.

[B]

Not even a Texan. But I.

[A]

No, but you were a reporter there for a long time.

[B]

20 years. 20 years.

[A]

We don't talk about numbers here.

[B]

All right, let's. Let's see what the cards have to say about Jasmine Crockett, huh? Okay. Well, justice, it's hard to know how to put that in context with her. Hold up. Let's pull another, shall we? Okay. Yeah, no, that's. That's a sad loser card.

[A]

That's the death card, right? What is that, the death card?

[B]

No, no, no. Oh, heavens, no. No. This is just the five of cups. But it's another sad person who doesn't, you know, doesn't see what they've turned their back on, is only seeing their loss, is only sort of lamenting what's been given up and lost and all that. Kind of like the other card that I pulled earlier, that cups. But, yeah, I don't. I don't. I mean, as a political journalist, I don't see it. But also as a tarot card reader, I Also don't see it.

[A]

Do you think she'll be furious if she loses the primary? Will she lose the primary?

[B]

I don't know. I don't have a read on that one. I. She's not married, is she? Because I see her getting married. Probably not to James.

[A]

I. I heard that she is single.

[B]

Oh, okay. Well, I think that. I think she might find love on this campaign. There's something very like something coming through that has nothing to do with politics. It's more about one's emotional life, emotional balance. Having, like, a family and a home and, like, you know, a warm future and all that. And that's kind of what comes up when we ask what's going to happen in this campaign.

[A]

Damn. Lose one thing and gain another, as they say. Right. That's sort of how life works. So, Marjorie Taylor Greene. I know we said we would stick to the Democrats, but she's really not much of a Republican or at least not allowed in her home. Where is she going? Is it going to be as a contributor on cnn? Where's her home?

[B]

Great question. Yeah, let's find out. Well, obviously, a fresh start, a new job, something that's going to make some money. She's very interested in making money, and so she's going to have a fresh start. Whatever she's going to do, it's. It's going to be primarily about bank.

[A]

I mean, but, like, what can she do? She can't be a lobbyist. She's too cuckoo Cocoa Puffs for that. Right.

[B]

She just is too committed to the attention economy. You know, lobbyists are so covert.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

She's much more overt. So it doesn't, it doesn't even match her skill set. And plus, once she bails out of there, I mean, who's, you know, who's really going to want to meet with her?

[A]

Totally. So what do we think? TV show? Podcast, Radio show? Dancing with the Stars?

[B]

She has all the tools to do whatever she wants. So it just comes down to what she wants to do, what she's thinking about doing. She.

[A]

Star your star, Marjorie. Just go for it, Windmill. Okay, back to the Democrats. Hakeem Jeffries, very low key. Like, he'll obviously be named speaker, but will he be a good speaker?

[B]

No, he's going to be a very dull speaker. I mean, I don't. He won't be bad or ineffective. He's just this moment, his, his skill set doesn't match this moment. He is a, you know, steady hand. He is a. He's not flashy. He's low key. He's, you know, he's not, he's not, you know, flashbulbs and drama and he's, He's a low key guy, and he's gonna keep that going. If he becomes speaker, he will be a low key speaker. And in this particular moment, it seems to not really match the moment that we're in. But that doesn't mean he'll be bad at it or ineffective at it. He'll just be sort of a dissonant note.

[A]

Got it. Okay. Chuck Schumer long for this world. And by that I mean not death, but I mean politics.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, he's. He's all right. He's fine. He's, you know, he's a survivor. Yeah, he's a survivor. He's not gonna. He knows, like his subconscious, he knows what's going on. He know. He knows what's up. Even if he's not talking about it publicly, he sees what's happening.

[A]

Okay, let's talk about flash. Gavin Newsom, 2028. Everybody loves him in the polls.

[B]

Another money card. This is very interesting. So, yeah, King of Pentacles. If he does not get the nomination and become president, he is going to be rich as hell with whatever he does. He's going to make money. And that might even be a bit of a subtext of his run. I don't think he's running to make money in office, but I think money is very important to Gavin Newsom in a way that, I mean, politicians, they don't often make a lot of money and they don't always come from money. And he's very money motivated. Interesting. I never thought of that aspect of him, but it makes sense.

[A]

Kamala, she gonna have another chance.

[B]

Yeah, but she's gonna be. She's gonna be different this time. She's not going to be as emotive. She's not going to be. She's going to be a little more locked down. I think this, losing. This is. This is a woman, the queen of swords. Not in touch with her feelings. Pretty cold. She's cold. And that's the thing when you meet the former vice president, she's bubbly, she's charming. Like, she just. She's effusive. But I think the version we're going to see of her is going to be much more austere, like, much like less giving. Less. Less with the emotion, less with the joy. You know, we're not going to see joy on the ballot like the women.

[A]

That are played in TV shows. As president they never crack a smile.

[B]

Ice queens.

[A]

Yes, ice queens. And yeah, nice queen. Yeah.

[B]

Cold hard killers like Alison Janney and the Diplomat. Like that kind of president.

[A]

That's exactly what I was thinking about. What you're thinking deeply are psychic practical.

[B]

Like giving no hugs, no hugs given, but just all about the work. So I think we're seeing a version of the vice president.

[A]

Sorry, I totally ripped into that. That answer, but. Aoc, I gotta know.

[B]

Oh, aoc.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's still gonna be. There's still gonna be all the hype and drama and excitement. I think she's gonna. I think she's still gonna be like a real poster child for the gop, you know, really going after her, really making a feature of her. Like, do you want aoc, she's going to be your president, man. And I think she'll continue to generate headlines and, you know, a lot of. She'll continue to be who she is. Like, she's not. She's not toning it down. I don't. Diego.

[A]

Sweetheart.

[B]

But it's got a squeak. He has some contributions.

[A]

And he's got a podcast.

[B]

It's your Auntie Tara. Hello. Anyway, she's good. She's gonna still be in the mix, creating lots of drama, perhaps even more drama.

[A]

Okay, midterms, how do you think it's gonna. Is it gonna be like full on bloodbath for Democrat? Like, Republicans are just decimated. What do you think? I'm just projecting. Let's let cards talk.

[B]

Yeah. No, I think it's going to be a whole. It's going to. Everything's going to change. Everything's changing. Everything, Everything, everything. It's almost like throwing all the sticks up in the air and everyone gets a fresh start.

[A]

Okay, so do Bulwark Republicans come back into the party? Like, are they accepted if Trump is gone longer? Yeah. I mean, or at least like there, but gone.

[B]

So does, like the Republican Party reconstitute itself?

[A]

Yeah. Does it become the party of like, George W. Bush again? A gentleman's party?

[B]

No, I think it's going to reform in a new shape. And I think we're only seeing like the dark beginnings now. I think Nick Fuentes is part of it and I think we're just in like, sort of like the early stages of this happening. But there's some dark elements that are still active in the party, some elements that people don't like that they don't think help the party, but their ascendant. And so I don't. I don't think the party snaps Back. I think it still has to go through some gyrations, if you will.

[A]

Wins ultimately, like, is, do these gripers win the war?

[B]

Do the Groipers win the war? No. No, I don't think so. There's going to be a strong, charismatic older man who. It's not gonna be a man who. Who's gonna be leading the party. And he. He's not going to be into that. No, he's not going to be into that at all. He's a bit of a warrior, tough guy. I don't know who that might be.

[A]

We didn't. We. We pulled the card on JD last time, and you said that he had a bright future. It involves his family. This was last time, which kind of makes sense. When you. You said suggested money was coming his way this time, right?

[B]

Did I? I don't remember.

[A]

You already blacked out. The spirit moved through you. You know what? Only the listeners will remember that Marco Rubio.

[B]

Oh, yeah. I just bought a cardboard cutout of Marco Rubio for my studio.

[A]

Cute. Like, it's in the. Oh, it's like, you can put it in the corner and like, six foot.

[B]

Six foot. Oh. Oh. I see trouble ahead for Rubio. I think things aren't going to go well for him. I. This is. This is a really bad card. This is a card of, like, upheaval and chaos and. And just, like, trouble, trouble, trouble. In different contexts, it can mean different things. I've seen it come up to mean, like, a battered woman. I've come. I've seen it come up to see, like, violence. This, to me, just says, like, he's got a thousand headaches coming.

[A]

Maybe usaid the ghost of that coming back.

[B]

Or maybe he's. I mean, we see him pushing on this Venezuela stuff. You know, that's kind of what. That's the connection I'm making.

[A]

Oh, war tribunals.

[B]

Something like that. Or just. Just, like, for him. For it to go badly and for him to lose his political future would be a tribunal, right? I mean, yeah, he's so ambitious, and to have, like, something blow up on him, I think would be really ruinous.

[A]

How long before Trump realizes that Pete Hegseth is still drinking heavily?

[B]

Oh, is that true? I don't. I didn't know.

[A]

I mean, people say.

[B]

Eventually he'll get there. Like, if that's. If that's the case, I think he'll get there. And I think, you know, if. If true, then Pete will be taken care of. But there's an eventuality built into that. So if. Yeah. If. If true, then yes, but not immediately. But I wouldn't say in a year. I would say within the next year.

[A]

Pam Bondi. What is her future? Like, I can't help but go to the Republicans because they're in power.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, Catherine Clark. Is she going to lose her primary to a progressive, like, who did. Call me whenever. All right, so I'm sorry, who are we talking about?

[A]

Pam Bondi.

[B]

Pam Bondi. She's fine. She's. She's good. I mean, I think. Yeah. Yeah. This is a card of, like, love. It's like. It's a really beautiful love card. And I think that she's gonna be okay. I don't know how. I think maybe if something bad goes wrong, that love will save her. You know, something. But that's sort of like a. A card she's got in her pocket.

[A]

Like, she holds back all the Epstein files that make President Trump look bad.

[B]

And he rewards her. That could be. It could be that kind of love.

[A]

Wow. Let's think about Christy Gnome, because I was told that her days are not for long.

[B]

Days are right. They're like. Right. And I'm thinking Cash. So we gotta ask about him, too. All right.

[A]

Do some, like, Cabinet roulette.

[B]

Yeah, I see. Yeah, this is. This is pretty strong. I see. For Kristi Gnome. Something new. Some what. What was in the first term when everyone was losing their jobs and Ivanka had that website called Try Something New. I think Christy Noem might be trying something new in the short term. This is the Ace of Cups. It's a fresh start.

[A]

Interesting. I'm sure it'll involve some sort of Cash Patel. I mean.

[B]

Yeah, he's had. He's.

[A]

I don't think there's enough room in this administration for Cash and Bondi. So.

[B]

Yeah, I think he's. He's having kind of a sad moment right now. Bit of introspection. Hard to say. This card doesn't really indicate what's going to happen. Hold on, let me pull another one. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, this would indicate job loss. It's not literal death. It's the death of, like, something you value or the end of something that means something to you or. It can mean a lot of things. Usually it just means an end. So it could be an end to his leading the FBI. I know, I know. The. The cabinet seems so stable, but. But these cards indicate that there's, like, tectonic plates underneath them that may be a bit stabilizing.

[A]

I feel like that interview with Susie Wild Sort of indicated the same, that they're not all peachy. Speaking of Susie, I mean, I think she'll survive this, this interview, but what do you think? I mean, do we even need to pull a card? I think she's a survivor.

[B]

I think she's a survivor, too. Yeah. Yeah, she's. This is. Yeah, that's a. Definitely. Struggling through the snow under a church light. Yeah. Yeah, she's. It'll be it. She'll get through it. But I think it's going to be unpleasant, you know, going through it.

[A]

Yeah. You predicted a new Democrat, someone we're not paying to, paying attention to, will enter the fold. What are you thinking, Julie? I don't know.

[B]

I don't know. I mean, a little. Yeah. I don't know.

[A]

Do you feel like Wes Moore is sort of. I know he's not really new, but.

[B]

Well, I mean, he's not new to us because we're here, but I don't think people in Nevada know much about Westmore. You know, I don't think voters in different parts of Florida has never heard of the guy, so.

[A]

Want to pull a card?

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I think voters might like him. The strength card. He's going to. I mean, he's. He's a veteran, a governor. He conveys certain things. But, you know, the lion here, to me, Obama was a Leo. And this kind of, to me, like, calls back to Obama that I think he'll have to fight against being your next Obama, you know, because he, He. He's his own man. He's a different guy. And I think he's gonna. This card indicates, like, he might have to struggle with that. Well, he will be perceived well. But people are going to project a lot of Obama on him because he.

[A]

Would be a black candidate, but he didn't do that to Corey, so it's not really the same.

[B]

So different from Obama, Right?

[A]

Yeah, you're right. Yeah. And nobody knows Westmore totes Wang. Agreed. One last question, because I know you're busy.

[B]

Really not busy, but.

[A]

Okay. Mike Johnson, he's taking it from everyone. Left, right and center. All the ladies hate him. I don't see think. I mean, what is, what do the cards say? How long do we have Mike Johnson to talk about?

[B]

Oh, yeah, there's more people who have to suffer under Mike Johnson. He's been playing a very dangerous game. This card shows that he's been fighting with everyone and he is. He is in a good position now, but that's not going to hold. Like, that's not that's not going to last. And the scars from this battle are still to be counted like he. There. You know, what I'm saying is he's in a good position now, and he feels like he won the battle, but he is not remotely done with the battle, and he has so many enemies that he has yet to hear from.

[A]

Should we pull one more card just for a little bit of juice? A little bit more on that.

[B]

A little bit more on that? Yeah, I. There might be. There's going to be some kind of a breakup, either with Trump or. I don't want to say his wife. I don't know about that, but there's going to be a rupture. There's good. There's going to be a rupture in a relationship that's really important to him.

[A]

Julie, I'm gonna have to have you on every, like. I don't know. Thank you so much. Happy holidays. And thank you for. I mean, I asked you last time to pull a card for me, but I'm also terrified that it's gonna be a bad one.

[B]

I mean, the cards aren't really good or bad. Even the death card has some nice things to it. Even the devil.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, let's pull a card.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. I think. Is this the exact same one that came up before of just battling. Battling. Battling.

[A]

Yes. Yeah.

[B]

Is this like your. This is. This is. This is the tarot card.

[A]

Oh, my God. It's the Tara. Tara card. The tarot carrot card.

[B]

Tara Taurus Tarot is just one of conflict.

[A]

How do I. Like. How do I cleanse that juju?

[B]

I. I think it's just your nature. Well, you're Italian and polish. Right. All the time.

[A]

Right. Just battling through the trudge of life. Just accept it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Put your, like, gear on and just go into battle.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Cool. Oh, Julie, thank you so much for coming on.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Wait, can you pull one more? I kind of want a better card. Just.

[B]

You want a better one?

[A]

Yeah, I just want more. Like, I know the battle. The battle is real.

[B]

We've seen that card before. Let's find.

[A]

Yeah, we've seen that.

[B]

Okay. After the battle, you are triumphant. Yeah. How about that? All right. So, I mean, it is actually. It's. It is it. So this is the five. The five of wands, right. Which is you battling. Fighting with everyone. And this is the six of wands, which just follows right on after. And it is winning the fight, so. Brava. Right.

[A]

Glad I asked for that, because that would have been a bummer to end on that note. All right. Thank you. You're the best and very fun.

[B]

You're the best.

[A]

Anytime and you can. Everyone can watch Julie on Sirius XM.

[B]

On SiriusXM, we don't have. We don't have studio cams, thankfully. I know.

[A]

Yeah. Well, you can listen to her. She's got an excellent show on, starts at 3pm and 6pm Eastern Time. It's a hit show and I love it. She does panels, she does in depth interviews with newsmakers. She has.

[B]

We don't like on my show. We do politics. We're. It's a serious show.

[A]

Oh, come.

[B]

It'S not.

[A]

I'm gonna call your EP up and be like, I didn't. You're missing out. Okay. So. All right. Thanks so much, Julie.

[B]

Okay. Anytime. Love you, Sara.

[A]

Love you too. Cheers. That was another episode of the Tara Pal Mary Show. Thanks so much for tuning in. I hope you had a great New Year's. If you like my reporting, please go to tara palmary.com and sign up for my newsletter, the Red Letter. It's how you can support my independent journalism and become a paid subscriber so you can get my exclusive reporting straight to your inbox. If you like this show, please rate it, subscribe, share it with all your friends, leave me a review and, you know, give me some ideas about what you want to hear about. I want to thank my producer, Eric Abenate, Abby Baker on the social media and research, Adam Stewart, who does my graphics, and Dan Rosen, my manager. People, I am all grateful for heading into the new year. See you soon.

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