Tara Palmeri (2:27)

Yes, exactly.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (2:29)

Why can't Michael Wolf just release all the stuff he has? This feels like Bob Woodward to me. Really?

Tara Palmeri (2:35)

Oh, God. You know, as a journalist like, reading his emails with Epstein, I'm like, how can you be giving PR advice to a pedophile?

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (2:45)

Yeah.

Tara Palmeri (2:45)

He's like, then if you have this on Trump, he can just make you look like you're a victim of cancel culture, and this is what you should do. And I'm just like, what? And we also have to remember that Michael Wolf is still sitting on a lot of Jeffrey Epstein tapes, which I am sure he will be using for some commercial purposes, as in, like, you know, a book, a TV series, and that quick special.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (3:10)

Yeah, yeah.

Tara Palmeri (3:11)

But in the meantime, we're just gonna have to wait on that. I know that he did have a podcast with some of it in there, but, like, it's the other side of the conversation that he's having with Jeffrey Epstein that's really, really concerning to me that he. This is the way he operates. But I guess if you want to become pals with a pedophile, you got to act like this. But I also just feel like, ultimately, like, didn't, you know, like, you knew this all along? Yeah, for years.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (3:39)

Because this has been out. I mean, Jeffrey Epstein's been dead since 2019. He's had these emails for years and years and years.

Tara Palmeri (3:47)

I know. Like, what else is he sitting on right now?

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (3:50)

I. It makes me nuts. People got mad at Bob Woodward when he did this, too, remember? Cause he was like, really? He had all these tapes on Trump, and people were like, why did you wait until your book could come out? And I understand that there's complications for authors. They have to keep stuff so the book sells. It's, like, part of your contracts and whatnot. Yeah, but you've already done so many books and shit about Epstein. Michael Wolf, like, there has to be. There has to be a moment where you go, I, as a person, need to.

Tara Palmeri (4:16)

Yeah. Where's the moral clarity? It certainly doesn't make journalists look good. No. I've always, like, questioned his methods, to be honest. Like, this isn't the first time I felt that way, but this was a very glaring example of someone that I felt like was colluding with Epsilon, colluding his. You know, to improve his image. It was just really, really, really disturbing. And, well, here's.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (4:43)

I want to get to this thing right here in the question. So Michael Wolf, to me, creep. I'm pit. I'm so aggravated and disgusted with the way he moves. But also Michael Cohen, who. I've been pretty critical of getting this sort of, like, reputational rehab over the last couple years. You see him on msc and None. Midas touch. And all these places. He's not super friendly to you when you questioned him because you tried to push on, like, well, what do you mean? You don't know? What do you. Yeah. Do you think Michael Cohen knows too much too well?

Tara Palmeri (5:08)

I just. I don't know how you.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (5:10)

I get an ick from him. Yeah.

Tara Palmeri (5:12)

It just seems so. And then he. But he did admit he knew something. Like, he knew about one case and he had to take care of it. But, like, started the conversation with, I know nothing. I've seen. I don't know. And then it was like, devolved into, okay, I know something. So it's like, what are you, like, why did you start the conversation by lying?

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (5:28)

Yeah. Why are all of these men still lying? Jeffrey Epstein is spinning around. The public is on your side. Tell the truth.

Tara Palmeri (5:37)

Yeah, yeah, they're spinning out. It's incredible. I mean, I just. Yeah, it's a. It's a really sad, sad, sad time right now. But in.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (5:46)

In this email, one of the emails, Jeffrey Epstein is speaking to Ghislaine Maxwell, and Ghislaine is saying to him, the dog that doesn't. That's not barking right now is Trump. What. What is that? What did that mean? Like, people who weren't selling Epstein out. Trump wasn't selling Epstein out.

Tara Palmeri (6:02)

I don't understand that phrasing. Like, do we use that word? Or is that like an older kind of phrasing?

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (6:07)

The dog that doesn't bark. It's like a uk. I don't know, maybe it's a British thing. But I was like, okay, yeah, he's saying that Trump is on your side. It seemed like.

Tara Palmeri (6:15)

Or he's not barking because, like, he's not in trouble. I got that feeling of, like, why.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (6:19)

He'S not in trouble.

Tara Palmeri (6:20)

Police investigating. Why isn't the chief of police investigating Trump? Like, how is he getting out of this scott free? And that. That was what I interpreted from that.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (6:32)

That makes sense.

Tara Palmeri (6:34)

Let me look at the. I just want to look at the timestamp of that email. What. What date was that again?

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (6:39)

I'm not sure.

Tara Palmeri (6:40)

Hold on.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (6:41)

Yeah, while you're looking that up, I just find it so incredibly.

Tara Palmeri (6:45)

Hold on.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (6:45)

Strange.

Tara Palmeri (6:46)

Have one of your cronies asked to see the mortgage to Mar Lago Cash from Electricians Union. Was the bag man later made an exec at the public co. And a $30 million loan from the casino to Trump. Donald Trump backdated. Oh, wow.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (7:03)

So is this new?

Tara Palmeri (7:04)

Yeah. Breaking. Yes, apparently.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (7:10)

Okay, breaking news.

Tara Palmeri (7:11)

Satira. What happened was Epstein was giving tips to people to investigate Donald Trump and his cronies and the mortgage at Mar a Lago. So I just think people don't understand how steep they were. Not like, just in friendship, but in business, too, which is something that I've started to realize. I mean, when they were bidding over that house in Mar in Palm beach, like, that was the breakup of their friendship. And it just shows you just, like, how much they knew each other, the dirt they had on each other. I mean, just think about that in the uk, The UK ambassador to the US had to resign over a few emails that connected him to Jeffrey Epstein. And like, nothing in America. It's just insane.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (7:53)

This has got to be breaking, though. Don't you think that the right. Is sort of breaking up over this? Because even Laura Ingram being in the Oval Office the other day and saying something like, oh, I like all your gold decorations. Are they from Home Depot? I thought was, like, pretty shade.

Tara Palmeri (8:06)

Yeah. Right. I mean, I think also it's going to be hard to stand by him on top of the fact that, like, the economy sucks. So they're just. Yeah, you know what, inflation and Epstein, like two vowels you don't want to have associated with you. So. Yeah, let me look at that date. Yeah.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (8:23)

See what it is.

Tara Palmeri (8:23)

2011. I mean, that's after the investigation.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (8:26)

Yeah.

Tara Palmeri (8:27)

But maybe he's suggesting that the police chief knew about Donald Trump.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (8:31)

Trump was involved. I mean, so the other thing in here that we know from, like, we've got the book out, Virginia's book out. Now we've got this drip of emails and whatnot. In. In one of the emails, it says Trump spent a lot of time with one of the girls at the Epstein mansion. And the Republicans are quick to say it was Virginia Giuffre. And she's already said that Trump never did anything bad to her. I don't think it's Virginia Giuffre. I. I don't see how that is who it is. That. The redacted name.

Tara Palmeri (8:56)

I don't, you know, I don't know that for a fact either, but we don't know. But it's kind of a sad state that, like, we're all debating something about a woman who's not alive to.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (9:05)

Yeah, well, that's why I think they're, yeah. Pushing it to be like.

Tara Palmeri (9:09)

And also, you just, like, expose the name of a victim, a Jane Doe, without her permission. Like, that's pretty shady.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (9:17)

And also, they are not denying that he spent time with a girl at Epstein's they are, they are saying it was Virginia Giuffre and she's already said nothing happened. They are not denying that these things in these emails happened.

Tara Palmeri (9:30)

That doesn't line up with like Virginia's story.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (9:33)

Of course they're out of control right now.

Tara Palmeri (9:37)

I mean, hey, I.

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Tara Palmeri (10:13)

When I was with Virginia, like she was very consistent in her story and we fact checked it. Nothing was based broken Jeffrey Epstein, which you guys should all listen to. Yeah, Virginia speaks for herself, but we also fact check everything. We use the same fact checkers that they use at the New Yorker for the Weinstein reporting. I had Adam McKay was a producer. Adam Davidson, like some of the most respected people in storytelling and journalism on working there. And Julie K. Brown was an executive producer. I mean she was one of the story, the one. We never used Virginia as a single source because of the way that she was so maligned in the press. And we just wanted, and like really as a journalist, you never want to just go with a single source. Right. So we could only use what we had as a, that we could get from multiple sources in broken. And you know, I did get the sense because the defamation lawsuit that she was in with Alan Dershowitz, that she was really careful about what she said and about who she spoke about publicly. And there are a lot more men that she was trafficked to than when were written about in her book, even more than like that were not named. And she had a lot on the line. I mean it was her safety. He was also the President of the United States. Is she really going to go up against him too when she's already up against Alan Dershowitz, she's up against Ehud Barak, she's up against like the prince. I mean it was, it was a harrowing case. I mean, when I was with her, her family had a break in at their house. It was just really, really, really difficult. So I, I often wonder if she held back because it was just too much from my time with her. She said she was trafficked to three dozen men and like many of them that I know of have not been revealed. And people would be shocked, honestly. And now she never told me that she was trafficked to Trump. But like I said, there were people that, like, she just didn't talk about that.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (12:15)

You know, she had thousands of victims. If, even if Virginia wasn't trafficked to Trump, it doesn't mean that a different girl wasn't. And that's what they're trying to spin. They're even with the statement from press secretary today saying, well, the Democrats are only releasing these emails to try and humiliate Trump. They are humiliating because you did a humiliating, disgusting thing. They're not saying it didn't happen. They're saying, oh, the motivation for releasing it is to humiliate him.

Tara Palmeri (12:39)

Well, you do. Yeah. So I know. It's just crazy. What is this thing about the pedophile party? I haven't seen that one yet, but I saw.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (12:47)

Oh, I don't know. Is that what they're calling. And they're calling the Republicans the grand old pedophile party or something?

Tara Palmeri (12:53)

That's probably right. Yeah.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (12:55)

That's Internet stuff.

Tara Palmeri (12:58)

Well, that slipped through my X account. I was like, wait, what?

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (13:02)

Here. The other thing that's going to happen today is they are going to try and vote on releasing the Epstein files again. Right. Because we're going to get Adelita, the new congresswoman from Arizona at 4. Right after that, they're going to try to hold the vote. They need 218. Technically, Gravalda would be the, would be the 2 18th. But now Nancy Mace is saying maybe she's backing out of her vote. What do you think that could be about?

Tara Palmeri (13:25)

Well, she wants to get the endorsement for governor of South Carolina.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (13:28)

Oh, Christ.

Tara Palmeri (13:29)

Good luck. Without President Trump.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (13:32)

Oh, boy.

Tara Palmeri (13:33)

You can't win South Carolina. You can't win the primary without Trump. And now Lauren Boebert has been called, you know, now they're trying to work her. Trump himself calls Boebert. According to Annie Carney at the New York Times, a former colleague of mine, very, very excellent reporter regarding her signing onto the Epstein petition and spoke to her yesterday. Trump playing phone tag with Nancy Mace. So far, they are not planning to remove their names from the petition.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (13:59)

They can't. They can't. Their whole brand is built on them being victims in some way and being like, you know, the Epstein thing was what they ran on was on justice for these women was on that Trump isn't involved. So why wouldn't we release this, you.

Tara Palmeri (14:12)

Know, all that stuff clear roll out the tapes? I mean, listen, I just, I, I think it's just going to get so much more aggressive, this whipping. It's going to Be a lot.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (14:28)

Just take the hit at this point, don't you just take the hit, Isn't it, doesn't it get to a point, well, how much more could they possibly drip and release? And the public is not buying that Trump's not involved or any. Every time it's a thousand times worse. If he would have released the files weeks ago, they, they, the news cycle may have even moved on by this point. Or he would have taken whatever hit it was going to be by this point. But as the economy continues to get worse, as he says things like he's going to let 600,000 Chinese students into American institutions, what he promised that he wouldn't. As he's doing this whack ass war in Venezuela, as things are just getting worse and worse. The UK is not sharing intelligence with us because they don't trust us anymore when it comes to the military. Worse, worse, worse. And Epstein, man, you're in a bad spot. You're in too bad a bad spot.

Tara Palmeri (15:08)

Even Laura Ingram ain't buying it.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (15:10)

Even Lauren Ingram, she's in there, you know, oh, you don't trust Americans. You don't think they're talented? And he's like, no. And they air it, right? Like, I just, I, I don't know how much more we could be doing here. Like, what is. Give it up, man? And folks are like, oh, Judy Vance won't be better. I'm like, I don't know, will he be worse? What do I want out of this? Just accountability.

Tara Palmeri (15:32)

JD Vance seems way more strategic.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (15:36)

But JD Vance isn't an accused and convicted sex offender. So I'll take it. You know what I mean? Like, we gotta take one thing where we can. It's not like we're gonna get a new election today, but I just think this is so. It's such a national security threat. The, the just like compromise that Trump and his people are in, the people who have made it from Epstein World into his cabinet, is insane. I don't know what was going on with Sergio Gore getting sworn in as the ambassador to India. And like the Erica Kirk of it all. Like, it is such a circus of just dysfunctional freaks of nature that I'm like, this has got to end at some point.

Tara Palmeri (16:16)

V. I want to keep going with you, girl.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (16:19)

I gotta go.

Tara Palmeri (16:20)

She's gotta go. All right, you got to run. There's breaking news on a scene and I've just, you know, there's just, it's a lot. I do have to run.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (16:30)

We'll be back.

Tara Palmeri (16:31)

Love you. And thank you to all of you for tuning in. I promise you I'm gonna keep hitting the phones and try to get down to the bottom of this. And the best part about this story is there's so much more. We have only have hit the tip of the iceberg, so. And if they want to let this iceberg melt drip by trip by trip, we'll get there. Gonna get the story. And it's just gonna be more painful.

Co-host or Guest (possibly a political/journalism expert) (16:53)

I know. All right, get out of here. I'll close up. Bye.

Tara Palmeri (16:56)

Okay, bye. That was another episode of the Tara Palm Mary show. Thank you for tuning in. I hope you found this episode to be fascinating. I learned a lot. Eyes open. I want to thank you all for tuning in. If you like this show, please rate it, subscribe, share it with all of your friends. If you want to support my independent journalism, please go to tarapaulmarie.com that's T A R A P A L M E R I justonei.com and sign up for my newsletter, the red letter. It's how you can get my exclusive reporting straight to your inbox. And if you become a paid subscriber, you can support my independent journalism and get all of the exclusives. I want to thank my producer, Eric abenate. I want to thank my researcher, reporter, and social media queen, Abby Baker. And I want to thank Adam Stewart, who does my graphics. See you again tomorrow.