Trump Caves Under Pressure: Epstein Files Now on the Table

Summary

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The Tara Palmeri Show

Episode: Trump Caves Under Pressure: Epstein Files Now on the Table
Date: November 18, 2025
Host: Tara Palmeri
Key Guests: Sen. Lisa Murkowski (clip), Liz Plank (brief), Stacey Williams (Epstein survivor/Trump accuser)

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Episode Overview

This explosive episode dives into President Trump's stunning reversal on the release of the long-sealed Jeffrey Epstein files. Tara Palmeri—renowned for her dogged investigative journalism—peels back the curtain on the internal Republican battle, mounting bipartisan pressure, and the murky ethical underbelly of both political and media actors caught up in the Epstein saga. Alongside brief appearances by journalist Liz Plank and survivor Stacey Williams, Palmeri tracks the historical moment when forces in Congress, the media, and the public appear to (finally) demand full transparency over Epstein's network—while fiercely questioning whether real accountability is possible.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s Reversal on the Epstein Files

• Main Takeaway: Trump has granted congressional leaders permission to move forward with releasing the Epstein files—an abrupt about-face after months of stonewalling.
  • “He had to succumb… he had to surrender to the release of the file. So we’ll see what happens. But it’s really stunning to me because I think we have to remember how hard he worked this summer with Speaker Johnson to make sure that this vote didn’t happen.” (Tara Palmeri, 00:32)
• Palmeri reports via sources that bipartisan support—and the math for a veto-proof majority—left Trump with no choice but to cave.
• Trump attempted to frame his flip as a strategy to focus on “affordability” messaging, but Palmeri suggests it’s a scramble to maintain political control.

2. Obstruction and Internal GOP Fractures

• Trump and Speaker Johnson previously deployed procedural tricks: early adjournments and delayed confirmations, including stalling Adelita Grijalva from Arizona, just to avoid a House vote.
• Momentum shifted as names like Greg Stube, Dom Bacon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, and Nancy Mace openly defied Trump's wishes to demand file release.
• Palmeri highlights infighting: “He called her a traitor. He called her Marjorie Traitor Greene. But on the Internet, a lot of MAGA world sided with Marjorie Taylor Greene… shows that President Trump is losing grip on his base.” (Tara Palmeri, 02:56)
• Broader context: The GOP civil war over platforming extremists, with Trump seemingly anxious about losing MAGA loyalty, even appearing to tolerate white nationalist voices for strategic cover.

3. Senate Dynamics and Murkowski’s Switch

• Palmeri breaks news that Sen. Lisa Murkowski—long under suspicion for her ties to Ghislaine Maxwell's circles—will now support releasing the files, likely due to intense media scrutiny and grassroots pressure.
  • “About time.” (Sen. Murkowski, 05:17)
  • “Yes, yes, I will. I will support it.” (05:21)
• Palmeri details the Alaska political web: Murkowski's connections to Maxwell through Arctic advocacy, donor relationships, and influential media figures.
• Acknowledges the fragility of Senate procedure—will Majority Leader John Thune move the bill to the floor, or will it die quietly?

4. Media Corruption & Collusion: The Michael Wolff Angle

• Palmeri confronts Michael Wolff’s attacks against her for reporting on his intimate connection with Epstein: giving advice, collaborating on a possible media acquisition, and even sending Epstein drafts for approval.
  • “He’s actually trying to get things for his benefit, that this is crossing the line between journalist and source. I mean, you have to have ethical lines, and Michael Wolff clearly blew past all of them.” (Tara Palmeri, 08:32)
  • Quote from email: “I think you should let him hang himself… that gives you a valuable PR, meaning, public relations and political currency… if it really looks like he could win, you could save him generating a debt.” (Tara Palmeri citing Michael Wolff, 11:20)
• Palmeri describes Wolff “sitting on dozens and dozens more tapes” and calls for total transparency.

5. Doubts on DOJ Transparency

• Palmeri is deeply skeptical that, even with the bill’s passage, the Department of Justice under Pam Bondi and Cash Patel will fully unseal the files without significant redactions.
• “Will it be all redacted… Or will we get a real understanding of who was involved in Jeffrey Epstein’s sex trafficking ring… I’m a little dubious to be honest.” (Tara Palmeri, 01:55)

6. Reactions: Survivors, GOP Defectors, and the Weight of New Evidence

• Stacey Williams (Epstein survivor, Trump accuser) clarifies her previous relationships and recounts the strain of being entwined in the saga.
  • “I just want to correct one thing. So Jeffrey didn’t introduce me to Donald. I knew Donald before… I haven’t looked at [the files] too much… for my own mental now.” (Stacey Williams, 18:33)
• The unprecedented volume of new emails exposes deep ties between Trump and Epstein—contradicting past denials from Trump’s camp and apparently leaving even White House insiders “not allowed to ask Trump any questions about the epine story.” (Tara Palmeri, 14:25 & 16:23)

7. The Megyn Kelly Controversy – Normalizing Predation?

• Palmeri and panelists react with disgust to Megyn Kelly’s remarks downplaying Epstein’s abuse by referencing “a spectrum” of pedophilia.
  • “How is that not a child?… One of the girls is so young, she’s 14, she refers to Epstein’s penis as a wee wee. I am sorry, but how is that not a child?” (Tara Palmeri, 21:08)
• Discussion highlights the ongoing media complicity problem and the lack of accountability—even as some demand SiriusXM cancel Kelly’s show.
• “There are no cancel cultures, whatever. People can defend pedophiles. Who knows what’s next? Like, everyone’s going to get a Nazi tattoo. I like, Jesus, I don’t know anymore, right? I’m at like, I’m at my, I’m tired too.” (Tara Palmeri, 23:57)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Tara Palmeri (re: Trump’s cave):
  “You could say he had to surrender to the release of the file… he had to succumb. It is a stunning reversal.” (00:32)

• Tara Palmeri (on media ethics):
  “When Michael Wolff says he sucks up around his sources just to spit it all out, it’s more than that. He’s actually trying to get things for his benefit… this is crossing the line between journalist and source.” (08:32)

• Sen. Lisa Murkowski:
  “About time.” (on voting to release the Epstein files) (05:17)

• Stacey Williams (Epstein survivor):
  “I have enough information to go out there and get my points across and share my story and then that’s kind of where I leave it for my own mental now.” (18:33)

• Tara Palmeri (on young Epstein victims):
  “One of the girls is so young, she’s 14, that she refers to Epstein’s penis as a wee wee. I am sorry, but how is that not a child?” (21:08)

• Tara Palmeri (on cancel culture):
  “There are no cancel cultures, whatever. People can defend pedophiles. Who knows what’s next? Like, everyone’s going to get a Nazi tattoo. I like, Jesus, I don’t know anymore, right?” (23:57)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:32 — Tara opens with Trump’s reversal on file release; GOP infighting and shifting dynamics.
• 05:17 — Sen. Murkowski’s on-record commitment to vote “yes” for file release.
• 08:32 — Palmeri details Michael Wolff’s ethical breaches.
• 14:25 — Surge in Trump/Epstein emails; panel discusses administration’s frantic denials.
• 17:32 — Palmeri assesses the Republican defectors and possible impact on Trump’s grip.
• 19:34 — Panel reacts to Megyn Kelly’s remarks downplaying Epstein’s abuse; Palmeri describes harrowing survivor police interviews.
• 21:08 — Personal testimony about the youthful age of victims and media minimization.
• 23:57 — Palmeri and panel express exhaustion with the lack of accountability and call out the normalization of extreme positions.

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Conclusion & Reflection

The episode is a pointed, passionate indictment of powerful actors' attempts to quash transparency over one of the era’s most infamous sex trafficking scandals—and their eventual forced capitulation by a groundswell of bipartisanship, tireless survivors, and relentless independent journalists. Even as Palmeri tempers hopefulness with skepticism about true accountability, the episode signals a rare moment of consensus within a polarized America and exposes, in granular detail, the backroom machinations, media failures, and raw resilience behind one of the nation's most consequential political reversals.

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Transcript

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[Tara Palmeri]

Welcome to the Tara Palmieri Show. It has been quite a weekend. President Trump had a really shocking reversal on the Epstein files. He decided that he's for releasing them. He gave the House permission to release the files or at least to vote to release the files. And I'm guessing because the House now has permission, so does the Senate. You know, I think that he's following them rather than pressuring them one way or another. I think the writing was on the wall. That's what I heard from my sources. Polling overwhelmingly showed that there was bipartisan support for releasing the Epstein files. And I think he realized that there were enough votes for this to happen and he had to succumb. You could say he had to surrender to the release of the file. So we'll see what happens. But it's really stunning to me because I think we have to remember how hard he worked this summer with Speaker Johnson to make sure that this vote didn't happen. You know, they, they let Congress out of session early this summer. They had a really long recess because of it. They didn't want them to vote on releasing the files. They stalled confirming the new congressman from Arizona, Adelita Grijalva, because they didn't want to have a vote on this. And now it just seems like the dominoes were falling. And I, and I reported on that last week. If you've been following the podcast that, that this was happening, you had Greg Stube, Dom Bacon, a number of others joining Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boeber and Nancy Mace in this, in this call to, you know, release the Epstein files. So I think he realized it was unsustainable and that they might actually get a majority of Republicans, a veto proof majority, even more so and so that even if the bill was on his desk, he would have to, to, to vote on it. And he says, you know, he's doing it in the name of talking about affordability, that this has gotten in the way of his, of his messaging. But it is a stunning reversal. I, of course, am always suspicious when it comes to Department of Justice and policing itself, this bill would command the Department of Justice to release the files. Will it be all redacted, like what we've been seeing right now? Just tons of redactions all over like what you see on the FBI's website? Or will we get a real understanding of who was involved in Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking ring and a real understanding of why he got this sweetheart deal? I'm a little dubious to be honest. I think as long as Pam Bondi, who obviously lied to the American people about the Epstein files for so long, and Cash Patel, the FBI director, are in charge, we will not get the full story. I can hope and I can pray, but, but I am very, very suspicious. But yeah, this is one of those few stories where few people can agree on anything in this, in this world that we live in, especially in America right now, but they can all agree that these files need to be released. And I think you could even see with the fight that he had with Marjorie Taylor Greene. You know, Marjorie Taylor Greene has been pretty adamant about the fact that she believes that the Epstein files need to be released. And he called her a traitor. He called her Marjorie Traitor Green. But, but on the Internet, on, on, on X and on all of those places, if you, if you follow closely, a lot of MAGA world sided with Marjorie Taylor Greene in that fight which shows that President Trump is losing grip on his base. That might explain why when asked about Tucker Carlson and the decision to platform Nick Fuente as the white supremacist and head of the Gripers, why he said, oh yeah, sure, let him come on the show, tell everyone about it, let them decide. He, it seems like he might be afraid that he's losing his grip on the MAGA base. And we know this is all happening while there's a civil war playing out over the decision to side with these white nationalists, these anti Semitic white nationalists all over the idea of America First. It is quite a time in the Republican Party, but in the meantime, I want to tell you that Lisa Murkowski, the senator from Alaska who was this the deciding vote against releasing the Epstein vials in September, has made it known that she will vote to release the files if the bill comes to Senate. Take a listen here.

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[Tara Palmeri]

Vote next week to release the complete files over Jeffrey Epstein. I'm curious about your thoughts on that initiative.

[Lisa Murkowski]

About time.

[Tara Palmeri]

Sounds like you'll probably vote for it if it lands on your.

[Lisa Murkowski]

Yes, yes, I will. I will support it, whether it's the House, the House version that I'm assuming will come across. But there's also a measure in the Senate that has been introduced and the opportunity to support that is also one that I will welcome.

[Tara Palmeri]

That's right. And if you've been a longtime follower of the Tara Palmieri show and if you read my reporting at the Red Letter, where you can get all of my exclusive reporting straight to your inbox and you can support my independent journalism, there's you would know that Lisa Murkowski had a very tangled web with Ghislaine Maxwell and that's what made this vote so shady. It was on the same day that Charlie Kirk was murdered. But, you know, she has known Galen Maxwell's husband for decades through the Arctic Circle. And then Glenn Maxwell met her husband, this man, Scott Ferguson, through the same circles, the Terramar Circle, which she used to to launder her name, to try to clean up her name after being so closely associated with Jeffrey Epstein. There are so many ties between them. Also, Lisa Murkowski's biggest donor and the woman who owned the Alaska Dispatch, a very influential newspaper, was also a very good friend of Ghislaine Maxwell's. They had so many ties. In fact, at one point they were speaking at the same conference together on the Arctic Circle. So, you know, she voted against releasing the files without disclosing this. Now after we reported this and it is all out in the sunlight and you all share that story everywhere through either the red letter or on your reels or on YouTube, by the way, can share these, this reporting to all of your friends. I think that that pressure campaign really helped to make sure that Lisa Murkowski did the right thing because, you know, that's how it works. That's democracy. You and reporting and journalism is really important in that not just punditry where you express your opinion, which is important. Everybody has an opinion, is allowed to express it. But like real investigative journalism, having investigative journalism, I think it really tells us a lot about what's going on. I mean, there are still questions about what happens in the Senate. John Thune is a Senate Majority leader. You know, how long will he hold onto the bill? Will he just put it on the floor right after the House passes it? Because a lot of bills go to die in the Senate. Anyone who's been covering politics the way that I have for so many years knows that if you want to build a die, you send it to the Senate. Will John Th. Get the okay to just put the bill on the floor and pass it? We'll see. I think we're all, all eyes on what's happening there. I also am just curious to see how many Republican members vote to release the files. And I know a lot of, A lot of you have mentioned Michael Wolf because he has said a lot of terrible things about me in recent days. Michael, I want to play something from a journalist and just to get your response.

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[Michael Wolfe]

I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it first thing. I, I think she's incompetent and an. And I'm gonna pass on that.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, well, she's saying that you should release all.

[Michael Wolfe]

Yeah, I, I know. She doesn't know. And she's just a. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Forget about it. Let's not go there.

[Tara Palmeri]

After I called out his almost incestuous relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. He's a writer. He was saying he was a journalist, and he had such a close relationship with Jeffrey Epstein that not only was he giving him advice on how to clean up his public image and how to get something from President Trump, but also, at one point, they put in a bid to buy New York magazine back in 2003 that was revealed in the New York Times this weekend and through these emails. And I'm just like, could you imagine if Jeffrey Epstein owned an influential New York magazine? I mean, this just shows you that when Michael Wolf says he sucks up around his sources just to spit it all out, that really it's more than that. He's actually trying to get things for his benefit, that this is crossing the line between journalist and source. I mean, you have to have ethical lines, and Michael Wolfe clearly blew past all of them. Another example of blowing past these ethical lines. He sent an advanced draft of a feature. I don't know that this feature was ever published, but it's in his book. But he sent an advanced draft of it to Jeffrey Epstein to read. Can you imagine that? I mean, if you did that at an, At a magazine or a newspaper, you'd be fired for doing something like that. And Here he was almost asking him for sign off and what he was about to write about him, a convicted sex offender. And also, if you actually read that article, which you can find by going to Tara Palmeri.com that's T A R A P A L M E R I dot com, you can read the unpublished feature that Michael Wolfe is going to write about Jeffrey Epstein. You can see it's actually pretty glowing. I mean, it really paints Jeffrey Epstein in a very positive light. And the fact that there is a money trail between them, an idea that they were going to go in on buying a publication that Michael could run, it just, it really reeks. You know, Michael Wolfe says he has dozens and dozens more tapes. He's been sitting on them. He, you know, dribbles out whatever information he has on Jeffrey Epstein. Why not put it all forward? Why have you been sitting on it for so long? I mean, there are just so many questions there with Michael Wolf. And so while he may attack me for calling out what so many others have seen, that this is an inappropriate relationship between a source and a journalist, what I see is really, really, really TR bubbling. And you know, it makes me upset because it's not great for our business, it's not great for journalists. But I needed to respond, and I did, in this recent post on tarapalmieri.com that's T A R- A P A L M E R-I.com and I'm not responding. For me, I'm responding for what this means for journalism and this sort of this immoral collusion between a writer and the subject who he claimed to report on. I mean, he was certainly helping him. Listen to one of the emails that Michael Wolf. Wolf sent to Jeffrey Epstein. Now, this was obtained by the House Oversight Committee through Epstein's estate. But here's what he's saying about how he should handle Donald Trump. He's telling Jeffrey Epstein, quote, I think you should let him hang himself. If he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the House, then that gives you a valuable pr, meaning, public relations and political currency. You can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you, or if it really looks like he could win, you could save him generating a debt. Of course, it is possible that when asked, he'll say, Jeffrey is a great guy and has gotten a raw deal and is a victim of political correctness, which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime. So there you go. He's giving him advice on how to get the blessing of President Trump by saying, Jeffrey, just like me, is a victim of political crime correctness. This is foul. So wanted to share that with all of you. And this is an interview, although a short one because I was so busy last week with Liz Plank, the feminist and humorist, and Stacy Williams, who is a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein. It's short, but in that, in that moment, I felt really compelled to also speak out to Megan Kelly. There are so many people in this story who that I feel like I need to correct and she was one of them. So thank you all for listening.

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[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

We are live, baby. And we are here to talk about this very uneventful week week. I feel like nothing happened in the news this week. Right, ladies? I AM Joined by two incredible women. Stacey Williams, who is the 27th Trump accuser. Congratulations. I can't believe it took that many women for people to pay attention. Slash, he still elected and now people are maybe coming around to the fact that the things that women have been saying about him all these years maybe are true. Stacey, you dated Jeffrey Epstein and Jeffrey Epstein actually introduced you to Donald Trump. And so we're going to talk about the weekend news. Your reaction to everything that's happened. We also have Tara Palmeri, who is the foremost voice and really reporting force behind the Epstein investigation. You've been covering this story for years before it was is one of the, you know, biggest headlines in the world. So let's start with you, Tara. What are your reactions to all of these emails that have come out this week?

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm just, you know, obviously sorry. It's 20,000 emails and all of them are Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. It just shows how close they were and I think for everyone who wants to be like, oh, you know, they were just casually friends, I a strong history to the point where Epstein claims to know even about his mortgages. Says he has pictures with girls that he could use. Talks about the fact that he's in the House, which is something that, you know, the Trump White House has denied, they've denied for so long so many things that are completely inaccurate, including the fact that like he kicked Epstein out of the club. No, they were so close that he didn't need a membership. He was, he was, they were besties. Like he just went to Mar a Lago and you saw that in the emails. And there's just, what I've been told from people close to the White House is they're just like not allowed to ask Trump any questions about the epine story. So anything you're hearing from spokespeople is just not going to be accurate coming out of that White House and it's just all going to blow up in their face and huge cover up. Everyone is speaking for him. It's just going to look really dumb and they should just say, they should just say I don't know anything and just tell everyone, tell the world. There's no.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

America says there are more pictures with Trump and Epstein than Batman and Robin. I don't know, we can fact check that, but I believe that. So what you're hearing is that. So obviously we've heard the press secretary get asked questions about this and deny that these emails mean anything. So what you're saying is that all of the people who have spoken on behalf of the Trump administration have spoken not based on any conversations that they had with Donald Trump about it. Like this is just them sort of blindly defending him and, and, and with information that might not, not even be true.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't know where they're getting the information from or he's lying or it's just like, yeah, it's just, none of it makes any sense at all. And I was just told, like people are told, don't ask him, don't ask him. In fact, like some people that are close to Trump are calling me and asking me and I'm just like, oh my God. They're like, how about what happened? Why?

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

But I want to talk to you a little and I know, you know you're going to have to go. You're, you're, this is your beat. We need you in 18 places right now. And I really am thankful that you're here with us for a few more minutes. But you know, we've seen actually something really new happen, which is a lot of Republicans defecting from Trump because of this. So we know that Thomas Massey, Warren Boebert, Marjorie Taylor Greene, NC Mays are all signed the petition. Some of them have even sort of spoken, you Know, and sort of shown that they might be breaking with Trump on this. Do you think this will do anything? I think that there are so many of us who have been watching, you know, watching Trump get caught in sexual abuse scandals after sexual abuse scandals and sort of nothing happened. Do you think that this is different? This week is different.

[Tara Palmeri]

It's just that it's showing that he doesn't have a grip on the party anymore. And that's really a big deal. I mean, once you get about 10 members voting against it and already I think there's about 10, eight, I might be right, you know, that are going to vote not against it for the bill against him, that are, that are GOP members. I think then the dominoes start to fall and then like if you get a veto proof majority, it makes it really difficult for the others to vote against releasing the files. And then it puts him in the very awkward position of having a bill on his desk. Maybe they don't get the veto proof majority and then he vetoes it or maybe he passes it and tells his Justice Department, just send them all the. Send it all redacted. The way it's been right now, like, basically what you see when you look at the Epstein files right now, I don't know, Stacey, do you ever look at the files and you're like, that's me. But it's all redacted. I mean, have you ever had that experience when you look at the Epstein files that are available?

[Mark]

No. And honestly, I haven't looked at them too much.

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[Mark]

I just want to correct one thing. So Jeffrey didn't introduce me to Donald. I knew Donald before. And so, yeah, so I met, I met each of them separately. So that was the first thing I wanted to say. We can get into that later. And I've spoken many times off the record, all the way back to 2016 about what happened to Vanity Fair. Two or three times I'm in there. So just mentioning. Yeah, yeah. Know if I'm in them. A couple people asked me. I mean, I could be. I haven't looked closely. You know, I can only stop this for so long. I have enough information to go out there and get my points across and share my story and then that's kind of where I leave it for my own mental now.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, yeah. No, I don't blame you. I mean, there. And also the, the files are so expansive. You know, something I was thinking about today actually was Megyn Kelly. I don't know if you've heard. Well, she said, Stacey, like you Must have a lot of thoughts on this. I know you do.

[Mark]

It's appalling. It's appalling.

[Tara Palmeri]

You know, so let's just.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

For people who haven't seen it, I'm very jealous of your. Your. Your sanity and brain. Megyn Kelly on her show said that she had talked to someone who knew Jeffrey Epstein and that, you know, this basically saying, like, pedophilia is a spectrum. You know, let's normalize men, basically, because he was into girls who were 15, not 5 years old. Maybe we can't. We shouldn't be calling him a. A pedophile. So, Tara. Yeah. What are you. The both of you, what are your thoughts on that?

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[Tara Palmeri]

Well, I was just gonna say.

[Mark]

Yeah, I was gonna say. Did you? Just to point out that she was the one that told the Republican party they should go after Rand for raping a 16 year old and suddenly like a 13 or 14 year old's. Okay. So anyway, go ahead. I just want to.

[Tara Palmeri]

I want to know that. I mean, all of the. It's. Com. Yeah. All of the hypocrisy around that, but also I've listened to a lot of the tapes of the police chief, Detective Mercari, and the chief, Michael Ryder, interviewing a lot of these teenage girls from the local high school where they built that pyramid scheme. And if you listen to their voices, these are very young girls. One of the girls is so young, she's 14, that she refers to Epstein's penis as a wee wee. I am sorry, but how is that not a child? So I like when I. The first thing I thought when I heard that was I remembered those tapes, like, and it gave me the chills. And I was like, you need to hear those tapes for yourself, Megyn Kelly. You need to go sit in a dark room, put those earbuds on and listen to all. Every single hour of those tapes. And they're actually on the Internet. Like, you can look at them right now. They are on the FBI's website. And that should make every defender of Epstein. And believe me, there are some of them out there. These weird incels. They are out there and they are defending Jeffrey Epstein. They're being paid probably by really powerful men, by the way, to do that, to tear apart people like you and me and all of us. So we will be quiet. But if you actually listen to these tapes, you will not walk away for a second thinking that this 52 year old man was not preying on children. Courtney Wilde showed up at his house with braces on 14. It's just, it's horrible.

[Mark]

It also lies in the face of expertise, which is something we haven't heard. I mean, we know that, you know, your brain isn't fully developed until you're 26. So there's a, there's a, there's a complete like, you know, child psychology, you know, expertise aspect to this. That, that which, you know, everything she says flies in the face on top of it. Let alone our just our innate sort of human truthful response, gut response to it, which is that it's appalling and disgusting.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah, it is such an out of pocket take, right? Like normalized pedophilia is such an out of pocket take take. She has a 14 year old daughter, right. Like there's just like parts of it that just, yeah, are sort of.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't know if you've ever covered from something like that, but maybe that's.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

My right question, like do you think there will be? Because, you know, I tweeted this. But it was like in a normal world the President would have already stepped down and in a normal world Megyn Kelly would no longer have a radio show.

[Tara Palmeri]

Right.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Like in a normal world this would have happened already. Can we expect ramifications or is 2025 just one of those years where like, you know, every up is down and down is up. Do you know I'm seeing a lot of people, you know, social media users, people who are, who are listening to this live right now, call on, you know, Sirius to cancel her show for advertisers to be, you know, removing themselves from her show. Like, do you think anything will sort of happen or are we just in this era where everything goes.

[Tara Palmeri]

I mean, she's on a billboard like Sirius xm. Put her on a billboard in Times Square right now. So this is America, people like, I don't know what to say. There are no, there are no cancel cultures, whatever. People can defend pedophiles. Who knows what's next? Like, everyone's going to get a Nazi tattoo. I like, Jesus, I don't know anymore, right? I'm at like, I'm at my, I'm tired too. So maybe I might say Something I might regret. But I know that it will be in defense of morality. That's the one thing I could tell you for sure. And honestly.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm gonna let you guys take it away.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm sorry that I was late. Thank you for joining us, everyone who waited. I just. We appreciate it.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

And if Megan Kelly doesn't get canceled for saying normalized pedophilia like there is nothing you can say that'll get you canceled. Let me. Let me just put it that way. That's the world we live in. I think you're good. Thank you so much. Kara. Thank you for all your reporting.

[Tara Palmeri]

It's great to meet you, Stacey. Yeah. And. And I'm really in awe of what you. What you've done and the fact that you keep talking, speaking out. I can only imagine what that's like and like having to relive it all. So we. We would not be here if it wasn't for the. The strength of all the survivors who came forward and told their stories and they continue to every single day. And like, we. Yeah. Really, really, really grateful to you.

[Mark]

Well, no, and thank you. Honestly, it's always a relief to see you in my stream. I'm like, okay, she's not stopping like you, just knowing. Yep, solid ground. But you're part of that solid ground under us. That helps. So thank you so much.

[Tara Palmeri]

Of course.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Please take a nap.

[Tara Palmeri]

Cheers. Okay, bye. That was another episode of the Tara Palmeri show. If you like this show, please subscribe, Rate it, share it with all your friends. If you want to support my independent journalism and get my exclusive reporting straight to your inbox, go to tarapalmieri.com that's T A R A P A L-M-E-R-I.com Sign up for my newsletter, the Red Letter. That is how you keep me in business. I want to thank my producer Eric Abenante, Abby Baker, who does my research and social media, and Adam Stewart on the graphics. See you again tomorrow.

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