Trump Demands a Nobel Peace Prize for Israel’s Ceasefire — Does He Deserve It?

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Tara Palmeri Show

Episode: Trump Demands a Nobel Peace Prize for Israel’s Ceasefire — Does He Deserve It?

Date: October 14, 2025

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Overview

This episode of The Tara Palmeri Show delves into the contentious question: Does Donald Trump deserve the Nobel Peace Prize for his role in brokering an Israel–Gaza ceasefire and the release of Hamas hostages? Hosted by Tara Palmeri and featuring a spirited panel discussion (originally aired on Piers Morgan Uncensored), guests debate Trump’s legacy, the morality and effectiveness of Israel’s war conduct, and the broader prospects for peace. Expect sharp exchanges, especially on humanitarian issues, the role of the media, and whether political partisanship overshadows genuine achievement.

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Main Discussion Themes

1. Trump’s Ceasefire Success: Substance or PR Stunt?

• Hostage Release and the Trump Peace Plan ([00:19]-[03:06])

  • Trump is taking a “victory lap” after securing a ceasefire and the release of hostages, although most points in his 20-point peace plan remain unfulfilled.
  • Tara frames the central issue: Should Trump’s actions in the Middle East be enough to merit a Nobel Peace Prize? Does his disruptive domestic policy diminish the value of his foreign achievements?

• Double Standard in Credit ([38:01]-[41:34])

  • Obama was awarded the Peace Prize early in his presidency; Tara and Piers question if partisanship is preventing recognition of Trump’s more substantive accomplishments.

    “He created a relationship with the Israeli Prime Minister that no other president has in decades, and he was able to almost strong-arm this moment that we got to right now. Yes, he deserves credit for it, but the whole question is, does it hold up?”
    — Tara Palmeri [40:30]

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2. Assessing the Ceasefire: Sustainable Peace or Temporary Lull?

• Panel Divides Over the Real Impact ([06:04]-[08:24])

  • Destiny and Nadine argue the ceasefire is not a comprehensive solution; it resembles past failed frameworks (e.g., Oslo, Abraham Accords).

  • Piers Morgan and Emily Austin describe palpable relief and celebration in both Israeli and Palestinian communities, but raise questions about lasting stability.

    “This deal doesn’t even come close to comprehensive peace between Israel and Palestine. Trump is good at putting together plans that are not plans at all.”
    — Destiny [06:16]

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3. Israel’s Conduct in Gaza: War Crimes, Blockades, and Media Blackouts

• Civilian Casualties and Humanitarian Issues ([09:19]-[14:37])

  • Emily defends Israel’s conduct: the IDF’s attempts to warn civilians of strikes, embedding of Hamas in civilian infrastructure.

  • Piers forcefully criticizes civilian devastation and the blockade as breaches of international law; emphasizes the need for independent media access.

    “It is incumbent on the only democracy in the region to actually behave at a higher level. … The best way to prove it is to let the journalists in.”
    — Piers Morgan [14:07]

  • Tara recounts stories from Gaza, calling the humanitarian situation “inhumane,” and dismisses propaganda efforts by both sides.

    “The fact that could not get aid, the blockades, people traveling for days for just chickpeas … it’s just so inhumane it’s hard to even remember why this even started.”
    — Tara Palmeri [17:38]

  • Heated disagreement emerges over whether failing to allow journalists access undermines Israel’s credibility.

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4. The Genocide Debate & Historical Perspectives

• Panel Disagreement on Terminology and Proportionality ([27:03]-[33:44])

  • Nadine Kiswani labels Israeli actions as “genocide and ethnic cleansing.” She asserts the peace is a US-imposed submission, not justice.

  • Brandon and others mock use of the word “genocide,” questioning population growth figures as evidence against it.

  • Piers adds scholarly context, noting no modern state has been convicted of genocide, and suggests Israel’s right-wing ministers have hinted more at ethnic cleansing than genocide by law.

    “No country or state has ever been found guilty of waging a genocide. The bar for genocide is extremely high.”
    — Piers Morgan [33:48]

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5. Should Trump Get the Nobel? Weighing Achievements Against Policies

• Destiny’s Skepticism; Emily and Brandon’s Support ([35:56]-[41:34])

  • Destiny: Trump's “peace” is illusory—a one-sided, Israeli-favoring deal after maximal war, and there's no real plan for Palestinian sovereignty or demilitarization.

  • Emily: Dismisses critics as suffering “Trump derangement syndrome,” urges credit for the outcome.

  • Tara: Trump's ego may be checked by having the Prize “dangled over his head,” keeping him focused.

  • Brandon: Decries the political double standard—if a Democrat achieved this, it would be celebrated.

    “I do think … President Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize in eight months. It’s probably more of a symbol … I think we need to see if there is actual peace. Next week this could all be broken.”
    — Tara Palmeri [38:18]

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6. American Political Tribalism and Recognition

• Impact on Public Discourse ([41:34]-[43:40])

  • Piers and Tara lament that extreme partisanship prevents leaders and the media from giving opponents credit, undermining democratic debate.

    “It gives you much more credibility, whoever you are, if you’re prepared to just look at the big picture and give your opponent credit where they deserve it. … To criticize your own side from time to time or to credit the other side is a good thing for democracy.”
    — Piers Morgan [42:37]

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7. Domestic Policy Undercutting International Achievements?

• Trump: “Peace Abroad, War at Home”? ([46:13]-[47:20])

  • Destiny and critics point to Trump’s use of the National Guard and ICE crackdowns as evidence he’s “declaring war on his own cities,” questioning the consistency of his “peace” credentials.

    “We’re talking about giving the Nobel Peace Prize, hopefully to a guy who is declaring war on his own cities.”
    — Destiny [46:13]

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8. Prospects for the Region’s Future

• Will Peace Hold? Will Palestinian Suffering End? ([48:08]-[51:45])

  • Nadine: Predicts continued resistance, arguing that cycles of annexation, dispossession, and violence make peace unsustainable.

  • Emily and Brandon: Insist that true peace is possible only when opponents lay down arms and stop “terrorism.”

  • Piers: Concludes with hope for future “mutual respect” and an eventual two-state solution—though the panel’s shouting match typifies the depth of division.

    “You can’t bomb people into peace ... Palestinians will continue to resist, no matter what, because they are facing a genocidal baby killing machine that is built on the blood of our people.”
    — Nadine Kiswani [49:04]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Annotation | |-----------|--------------|--------------------------------------------------------| | 06:16 | Destiny | “Trump is good at putting together plans that are not plans at all.” | | 17:38 | Tara Palmeri | “It’s just so inhumane … hard to even remember why this even started.” | | 20:05 | Emily Austin | “As a Jew, I want to say that’s foolish. I don’t correlate criticism with anti-Semitism.” | | 33:44 | Brandon | “75 years the population has grown. That’s not a genocide.” | | 38:18 | Tara Palmeri | “We need to see if there is actual peace. Next week this could all be broken.” | | 40:30 | Tara Palmeri | “He created a relationship with the Israeli Prime Minister that no other president has in decades … deserves credit for it, but … does it hold up?” | | 46:13 | Destiny | “We’re talking about giving the Nobel Peace Prize … to a guy declaring war on his own cities.” | | 49:04 | Nadine Kiswani| “You can’t bomb people into peace … Palestinians will continue to resist no matter what.” | | 51:12 | Destiny | “That was Israel-Palestine in a nutshell right there.” | | 42:37 | Piers Morgan | “It gives you much more credibility, whoever you are, if you’re prepared to just look at the big picture and give your opponent credit where they deserve it.” |

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Key Timestamps and Segments

• [00:19] – Tara Palmeri sets up the stakes: Trump, the ceasefire, the Nobel, and the politics.
• [03:03]-[06:04] – Opening panel: early takes, historical context, and first debate over the peace plan’s substance.
• [09:19]-[14:37] – Sharpest exchanges over humanitarian conditions, war conduct, aid blockades, and media access.
• [27:03]-[33:44] – Heated segment: definitions of genocide and ethnic cleansing, proportionality, terror, and resistance.
• [35:56]-[41:34] – Main Nobel Prize debate: Is Trump being unfairly denied? Are achievements real or illusory?
• [46:13] – Trump’s domestic “law and order” policies used as argument against his peaceful legacy.
• [48:08]-[51:45] – Prospects for the future: Will this hold? Resistance and cycles of violence.
• [51:12]-end – Panelists reflect on the difficulty of civil discourse and what real progress would require.

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Conclusion

This episode is a snapshot of both extraordinary diplomatic developments and the polarized debates they provoke. The release of hostages and the ceasefire in Gaza mark a historic step, credited by some to Trump’s unique leverage and approach; yet, panelists split sharply on whether the peace is real, whether humanitarian norms were respected, and if partisanship is distorting public judgment. Tara Palmeri and her guests cut through propaganda and echo chambers, exposing the high stakes—and the deep rifts—that define the quest for peace in the Middle East and the politics of recognition at home.

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Transcript

[Destiny]

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[Tara Palmeri]

Welcome back to the Tara Palmeri Show. It's a huge day for President Trump and for Israel and for the Palestinian people. After two long years, Hamas has finally released the hostages, but it's still unclear whether this marks the beginning of lasting peace. Nevertheless, President Trump is taking a victory lap, even though only a handful of Items on his 20 point peace plan have actually been achieved. But how much credit does he really deserve? Should he get the Nobel Peace Prize? He he keeps saying is rightfully his. And if he brings peace to the Middle east but disrupts the daily life for Americans through ice raids and crackdowns from the National Guard, does that really count as a peaceful presidency? Hey, maybe it's a good thing that the prize is dangling over his head. It keeps him focused on proving that this peace deal in the Middle east can hold. He doesn't just move on to something else. We unpack all of this and more on Piers Morgan Uncensored. For those of you who don't tune into the show, Piers likes to mix it up. He brings in a cast of colorful characters and yes, it gets loud and rowdy, but I like a healthy debate. Why not? Piers even said I was the most even handed guest on the panel, which I take as a compliment. I try to bring that same spirit here. Open conversation, not an echo chamber. I know some of you weren't thrilled when I spoke with Republican strategist Jeff Rowe and others really weren't wild about my chat with Democratic strategist James Carville. And I value your feedback, believe me, I do. I just think it's important that we stay informed and clear eyed as citizens, hearing perspectives that don't always make it into our feeds because the algorithms are designed to feed us up, the things that we want to watch and hear which reflect our own views and points. Points of view and lives, frankly. But I want this to be a place where you learn something else. You hear a point of view you maybe didn't hear before and that you keep this going in a conversation, a conversation between you and me. And you can leave your thoughts in the comment sections. I want to hear what you think, what you want me to cover, what you like about this show, what you don't like. I said this is not designed to be an echo chamber. And all I can say is I try my best every single day to deliver the News to bring insightful conversations and get down to the closest version of the truth. Thank you again for sticking with me on this journey. And let's watch the show.

[Brandon]

Person who actually got the Nobel Prize.

[Piers Morgan]

Called me and said, I'm accepting this in honor of you because you really deserved it.

[Tara Palmeri]

He created relationship with the Israeli prime minister that has that no other president has in decades.

[Piers Morgan]

I have an idea, Mr. President, why.

[Brandon]

Don'T you give him a pardon?

[Nadine Kiswani]

I think Trump addressing the kness just proves how absurd this whole conversation is. He bragged about moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem. He rewarded Israel's legal annexation. He praised Miriam Adelson while also calling her Israel first.

[Piers Morgan]

Seems to me the MAGA base is increasingly anti Israel. We see that with Tucker Carlson, with Candace Owens and others. What's that about?

[Brandon]

Well, let me correct you on that. I don't think it's anti Israel. A lot of it's anti Semitic. I mean, people are losing their minds.

[Destiny]

We're talking about giving the Nobel Peace Prize, hopefully to a guy who is declaring war on his own cities.

[Emily Austin]

Destiny, you won. You have Trump derangement syndrome. Congratulations.

[Piers Morgan]

So are you suggesting that you would allow trans athletes to compete in women's sport in the Olympics if you were governor?

[Nadine Kiswani]

Look, everyone is competing in a sport and they come with abilities, and perhaps there could be, you know, kind of a different league for them.

[Piers Morgan]

I think we may just have seen another California Democrat candidate torpedo their campaign for governor. I mean, extraordinary. President Trump's historic role in ending the Hamas war has drawn plaudits from even his most embittered opponents. Hillary Clinton commended Trump for brokering peace. Well, President Obama was roundly criticized for failing to mention him in his long statement. Politics is turbulent and above all, fickle. But history won't really have much to say about the daily squabbles we spend so much energy debating. It will, however, vividly remember the remarkable scenes of the past few days in Israel. And what may prove it's a big may to be the biggest deal of Trump's life. So is it time for Trump's harshest critics to recognize that even their least favorite president, if not he human being, is capable of doing some good things? Is mutually lauding Netanyahu a good look, including among the MAGA base? And does Trump deserve the Nobel Peace Prize? Joining me to debate all this is from the office Tatum podcast Officer Tatum, TV personality Emily Austin, host of the Tara Palmeri Show. Tara Palmeri. And Nadine Kiswani, the activist in the Within Our Lifetime protest group. And here in the studio, making his debut in my studio here in London is the streamer Destiny. Destiny, welcome to you and welcome to all my guests joining remotely. Well, Destiny, let me start with you, given you're here. I was watching it from early this morning and it's very hard not to get caught up in the euphoria of the hostages being released, the families, their joy on the Palestinian side, an end to the bombing, certainly for now, the return of thousands of prisoners from Israeli jails and so on. You know, it was a day of great celebration. Did you feel celebratory today?

[Destiny]

I mean, it's always good when war ends, it's good when conflict ends, it's good when hostages are brought home. I think regardless of how that came about, I think it's always a good thing to celebrate.

[Piers Morgan]

What's the downside view?

[Destiny]

Well, I mean, it depends on what part we're talking about. I think that, you know, if you're looking for some kind of comprehensive peace between Israel and Palestine, this deal doesn't even come close to it. Remember, this is the second time the President has told us there will be peace in the Middle East. The first time was the Abraham Accords, and clearly that didn't work. So, yeah, Trump is really good at putting together these plans that are not plans at all.

[Emily Austin]

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[Destiny]

All they're just like backbones of plans.

[Piers Morgan]

But when you say it didn't work the Abraham Accords, I mean, it stood, it stood with the countries that signed up to the Abraham Accords. You know, they have had a good working relationship with Israel. As a consequence of that, Saudi Arabia has indicated it would like to join them but can't when this war was raging. Understandably, they're looking to expand the Abraham Accords. The amount of unity from Arab countries and country, Muslim countries like Turkey, to this peace plan has been pretty unanimous in the region. So I'm not quite sure if this plan is unworkable. What would have been a better plan?

[Destiny]

I mean, anything that actually leads to a long term permanent solution between Israel and Palestine. I mean, when you say the Abraham Accords worked, I mean, that's because they were involved in countries that weren't really fighting with each other. I think that a lot of the Israeli peace process with other Arab states is just trying to extricate Palestine from any overall peace arrangement with any other country. The Abraham Accords did that. They kicked the can down the road. October 7th happened. It was just like the second intifada after the failures of Oslo 1 and 2. And now we're getting a deal that kind of looks like an Oslo 3 Peace Framework, where it's a bunch of vague stuff, nobody really knows what it means. And basically Israel has like infinite reign to kind of like play with it how they want. Like, what does it mean to de radicalize the Palestinian Authority or de radicalize the Gaza Strip? You know, who knows?

[Piers Morgan]

Emily Austin. You know, I felt a lot of joy seeing the hostages, after two years of utter, unrelenting hell, finally being released, 20 of them, back to their families, and the scenes with the reunion with their families incredibly moving. I defy anyone with a heart to not be moved by it. And I also found the scenes of jubilation amongst the Palestinians and seeing families returning, albeit back to their bombarded homes, with at least the hope now of being able to rebuild their lives. Hopefully. You know, all of that I found very euphoric. I have to say, I did blanch not at Donald Trump being celebrated in the Knesset, but by the kind of mass adulation for Netanyahu, because I don't think he's showered himself in any glory this year. Explain why you think I'm wrong.

[Emily Austin]

Well, honestly, I always say my fight as an American Jew is to make sure that Israel and Jews are safe and there's not all this false information going around in America. But needless to say, Israel is very torn between supporting Netanyahu or not. There's a joke that Israelis support Trump more than they support their own prime minister, which right now definitely, definitely feels that way in Israel. I will add, I don't think Netanyahu gets any credit when he does something right at all. I think whether it's something as precise as a beeper attack, he'll never get the pat on the back for doing things the right way when it's his involvement in signing the agreement and it's Hamas who wasn't signing it. Bibi will always take the hits for that. Now, whether you like him or not, I just feel like you need to give credit where it's due.

[Piers Morgan]

But I think, to be honest, I thought, Emily, he did get a lot of credit for the Hezbollah Pedra attack. That was widely seen.

[Emily Austin]

I would like to have thought so.

[Piers Morgan]

But I would say, just to finish that point, I would Say that he was widely credited with having launched a very precise, very carefully planned, expertly executed dismantling of Hezbollah using pages that did not lead to mass civilian casualties. Similarly, I thought the attack on Iran, which many people thought would be catastrophic and launched World War 3 and so on, actually turned out to be a short lived war which was very precise, again in his targeting and again did not involve mass civilian casualties. The problem comes with the way he has prosecuted the war in Gaza, which has been to do none of those things, to be not remotely surgical, but to be, in many people's eyes, utterly indiscriminate, leveling 80% of Gaza to the point of total destruction, killing 67, 70,000 people, including many tens of thousands of civilians, including over 20,000 kids. It seems to be a completely different way of waging war against your enemy to the way that he is rightly, in my opinion, got due credit for the way he dealt with Iran and Hezbollah.

[Emily Austin]

Yeah, I'm a numbers girl. I like to think, not emotionally, but with facts. And I recently found something really interesting and I'd love to hear your opinion on it. According to UNWAS numbers, which I'm reluctant to trust to begin with, According to them, 73,000 structures were destroyed, right? 68,000 people were dead. By the way, I'll add the Hamas spokesman said 58,000 militants were killed. So that math is not really making sense. But per unrun numbers, if that is in fact true, and there were 73,000 structures destroyed and 68,000 people dead, then their ratio of structure to person, I'm talking buildings, was less than one person at 0.9 people per se.

[Piers Morgan]

Emily, you've seen the pictures, you've seen. I mean, look, one of my biggest bugbears about this is Netanyahu refusing to this day to allow international journalists to operate freely in Gaza to verify what's been going on there. But we've all seen the very few aerial shots that have come out in the last few weeks and months and they've been utterly devastating. You know, this idea was just a few structures or one for one and so on. It's for the birds. They have leveled three quarters of Gaza piers.

[Emily Austin]

I can't deny the facts. I saw the videos of Gaza. Anyone who's denying that it's inhabitable is lying to you. However, I will add that when Hamas has done a phenomenal job since, oh, five, embedding themselves into civilian infrastructure, into schools, into nurseries, into hospitals, Al Shifa Hospital was a Hamas HQ for God's sake. They don't really leave Israel with much of a choice. Listen, I know you're critical of Netanyahu, but I've yet to hear anyone give me a better answer than if they.

[Tara Palmeri]

Were in your shoes.

[Emily Austin]

And you are fighting a military that has fully embedded themselves into infrastructure that belongs to civilians. Do you now lose a war and surrender because they've made it really, really difficult to attack? I'll tell you what Israel has done. They've done them the courtesy of dropping leaflets every single time they're going to make a strike, which by the way, I'll add, no other military will ever do that in any form of war. They have let aid in despite people denying that that's a fact. They've let tons of food and aid in. Again, no other military will ever do that.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, they waged a. Waged a three month. Well, hang on. They waged a three month illegal blockade of food and aid in February this year, which was a breach of all conventions and is, in my opinion was a war crime. I mean, I think a lot of.

[Emily Austin]

Stuff before those three months blockade, they allowed enough aid in to last them.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, you know what? It should never have happened. It was that. You cannot do that.

[Emily Austin]

Why is it Israel's responsibility to feed them to begin with if they're in a war?

[Piers Morgan]

It's not. It's a war crime. It's a war crime to have a blockade. That's the point.

[Emily Austin]

October 7th was a war crime too.

[Piers Morgan]

Yes, it was. Yes, it. But you won't get any. But Emily, you won't get any argument from me. I've always said that Hamas are a despicable terror group who committed one of the worst atrocities in modern times and they can have no role in Gaza going forward. It is incumbent on the only democracy in the region to actually behave at a higher level. And I've always taken issue with Israel's claim that they behaved on a superior moral plinth to any.

[Tara Palmeri]

They.

[Destiny]

Most definitely any standing army.

[Piers Morgan]

I just, you know, I disagree with you. Well, the best way to prove it is to let the journalists in. It's very easy to make all sorts of claims.

[Emily Austin]

Journalists will have died in Gaza because when they are going to announce that they're striking and Hamas is not going to allow people to.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, but that's not, that's not.

[Emily Austin]

Hamas would have given the journalists.

[Piers Morgan]

Emily, that's not the concern of the Israeli government. They're not concerned about the safety and welfare of journalists. It is down to the individual media companies who employ these journalists about their risk Assessment. But the fact remains that no journalists from cnn, from BBC, from Reuters, from ap, from any reputable news agencies are allowed into Gaza to report freely on what's happened. And until they are, the suspicion remains that they are up to stuff which they don't want the world to see. So we will see. I see. I fear. I fear we're going to uncover a lot of very bad stuff out of.

[Emily Austin]

Gaza, left and right. I think the safety of the journalists was their concern.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, they killed. They've killed a record. Well, they've killed a record number of journalists on Palestinian journalists.

[Emily Austin]

So I don't think they actually, unfortunately, Pierce in Gaza. They throw on a vest that says journalists.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, but actually, many of them, Emily, many of them were genuine journalists who were not members of Hamas who were brutally killed. And that isn't.

[Emily Austin]

Are you aware Israel drops leaflets every time they're gonna commit an airstrike and Hamas does not let them evacuate.

[Piers Morgan]

Listen, you won't get me defending Hamas about any of this, but the idea that all the 200 specific point. I assume the idea that all the 200 plus journalists had it coming because they were fake journalists is bullshit.

[Emily Austin]

I never said that.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, you're implying it when you're saying.

[Emily Austin]

They'Re wearing the shirt journalists. They all had working cell phones, by the way, the claim that Gaza has no electricity was completely a lie. The leaflets warned them. They literally had sirens letting the note to leave. How much more of a warning should Israel give before they're going to strike? Which, again, I'm going to.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, it's more of. Okay, look, I'm going to bring other panelists in. I think it's more not about the warnings, it's more about. How much more bombing does it take to make your point? Let me bring in Tara Pomeri. I mean, Tara, this has been a very. You know, I've tried to be fair with this war from the start. I always recognized Israel's right to defend itself. I felt it had a duty to defend itself. I think any other country in the world that was attacked in that way would have done something similar. Certainly early on, it's the scale of what happened, particularly this year to me, became increasingly indefensible. When you start blockading and starving a populace, civilian population, in the way that Israel was doing, when you just carry on just relentless bombardment and destroying most of Gaza, when you're not achieving your aims of hostage release or defeating Hamas, none of this made any sense to me. And when you have people like Smodrich and Ben GVIR on the Israeli government, you know, openly talking about ethnic cleansing, kicking all the Palestinians out and taking the land. I began to feel that the mission. The mission creepy. Was changing very, very fast. What is. I mean, that's why I'm so thrilled that we got to where we did today, really, you know, unexpectedly. But what is your overview about this war?

[Tara Palmeri]

I agree with you. If there was nothing to hide, then why not let international journalists, and I mean international journalists have covered every war. They're covering the. The war in Ukraine, Iraq, Afghanistan. They take risks, they die. But that is the way that people find out what is actually happening on the ground there. The fact that couldn't get aid, the blockades, people traveling for miles for days for. For just like chickpeas. I interviewed a father in Gaza that was traveling for days for that. It's just. It's just so inhumane that it's hard to even remember the start of the war, why this even started, which was an incredible aggression, horrible act of Hamas, you know, just attacking Israel, brutally stealing his hostage, stealing hostages and. And killing them. But then when into the. The atrocities against the Palestinian people and how many children have died, you've really lost the plot in so many ways. And, and then, you know, there are some of these videos where you see Benjamin Netanyahu sort of like berating these creators that are pro Israel, pro. And they're saying, you have to be. You have to. You really have to protect us more in the press. You have to be pushing our side more and more. You really flies. It's really become a propaganda game in a way. And Israel lost. I mean, the rest of the world is condemning them for war crimes. You know, UN organizations saying it's a genocide. I don't. It's a wonderful day that the hostages have been returned. It's an amazing day. It's an amazing celebration. But I do think that, you know, we. We can't look at Netanyahu as some sort of hero in all of this. No, we have to understand that.

[Piers Morgan]

But we could look at Breaking Point. But we could. We could. I think, I mean, one of my biggest problems with the way on both sides, I've had this right. So early on when I was defending Israel's right to defend itself, I had a lot of extremists on the Palestinian side saying I was a pro Zionist monster and so on. And then this year, I've had the complete reverse where I've had very extreme Zionists who have come for me in big numbers. And their tactic has been to brand any criticism of Netanyahu or his government, some of whom are absolute headbangers like Ben Givorous, modric, that if you criticize them at all, you must be anti Semitic. You must hate Jewish people.

[Emily Austin]

As a Jew, I want to say that's foolish. I don't correlate criticism with anti Semitism. I just want to make that very clear.

[Piers Morgan]

I know, and I know you would never do that. But you've seen. I'm sure you've seen it, Emily. It is. It's been a really insidious thing to have to experience because I have never had anything but positive thoughts about Jewish people, about Israel, actually. I love the country. I've been there. And the idea that you can't criticize a government. I made the point. I led the campaign against the Iraq war in the UK I was running the Daily Mirror newspaper, which was a labor supporting paper. I took on the Labour Prime Minister, Tony Blair. It didn't mean I hated the British people or that I hated my country. It just meant I hated what my government was doing in my name. So this kind of thing, that you must be a Jew hater if you criticize Netanyahu, I found disgusting. Brandon, let me bring you in here. It's been interesting split in Trump's support. You know, the base. Seems to me the MAGA base is increasingly anti Israel. We see that with Tucker Carlson, with Candace Owens and others. Others are very much pro Israel, but there's a real split there. What's that about?

[Brandon]

Well, let me correct you on that. I don't think it's anti Israel. A lot of it's anti Semitic. I mean, people are losing their minds. And I almost had a stroke listening to the capitulation, to the foolery in Gaza and Israel. Israel don't owe them anything. Why are we confused about this? They came over and they slaughtered all these people. They took people hostage. They don't owe them nothing. They could starve them to death if they wanted to. That's their decision. In my personal opinion, because they're reasonable. They send out leaflets and the lies about the media. They don't allow journalists in. Where's all this propaganda coming from?

[Piers Morgan]

They don't allow them in.

[Brandon]

I see videos of kids, I see buildings coming down.

[Piers Morgan]

They don't allow propaganda.

[Brandon]

Look, listen.

[Piers Morgan]

But it is actually a fact. They don't allow journalists in.

[Brandon]

No, but unless you are a friendly.

[Piers Morgan]

Journalist embedded with the idf, you're not allowed in.

[Brandon]

It's inconsequential because.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, it's not, though. Is it? Because how do we know the truth?

[Brandon]

I believe it's inconsequential. You know the truth. You see a propaganda coming out of. Out of Gaza, you see, and then.

[Piers Morgan]

That'S all the truth.

[Brandon]

People are complaining.

[Piers Morgan]

Propaganda is not true.

[Brandon]

People complain.

[Piers Morgan]

I see propaganda on all sides. And in my experience of propaganda in war, the only way. What's the truth, Brandon? The only way to counter propaganda from all sides in a war, because it comes from all sides. The only way is to allow independent journalists to do their jobs.

[Brandon]

They're not. They don't do their job in America, so they lie every day in America. So I'm not. I don't really care about that. At the end of the day, we will see now that the war is over. Let me finish, young lady, and I will give you a chance to speak. Let me finish, young lady, please. And so what I'm saying is that I think it's inconsequential. I think people are jumping. They don't have to feed these people. They could have starved them to death if they wanted to, but they didn't.

[Piers Morgan]

That would be a war crime.

[Brandon]

They were kept. You could say it's a war crime anyway.

[Piers Morgan]

No, I'm not saying it would be a war crime.

[Brandon]

Innocent people in Israel.

[Piers Morgan]

But, Brandon, it would be a war crime.

[Brandon]

You could say it doesn't matter they killed all these people.

[Piers Morgan]

It does matter.

[Brandon]

Hamas is abetting themselves. Hamas is embedding themselves in the population.

[Piers Morgan]

Hamas are disgusting. Hamas are disgusting. And they commit endless war crimes. The only thing is the thing to do.

[Brandon]

Pierce, how do you fight a war?

[Piers Morgan]

I'm sorry. When they're embedded in the people. Sorry, but there are international rules relating to warfare, and if Israel breaks them, they are as pure Netanyahu as Hamas or anybody else.

[Brandon]

Commit war crime. Did Netanyahu commit war crimes trying to fight this war? When you have Hamas embedded in.

[Piers Morgan]

I believe he may well have done. Yes. I do believe that.

[Brandon]

What else is he gonna do then? Not fight?

[Piers Morgan]

No, no, you can fight, but you have to abide by the rules of war.

[Brandon]

Well, what are you gonna do?

[Piers Morgan]

Well, this is why we haven't. Yeah, but, Brandon, nobody's answering his question. This is why we had the Geneva. This is why we had the Geneva Convention set up after World War II. Because. Brandon, after World War II, they set up a Geneva Convention because the world concluded that a lot of the stuff that went on in World War II simply crossed a line. And therefore, for future wars and conflicts, you had to have rules of engagement recognized. By the international community. And if you don't have those, then anything goes that anyone can do anything. And you, I'm sure, would agree, would agree with me. That way insanity lies, right? And total mayhem.

[Brandon]

I agree, Pierce, but I think that this was a unique situation where you're fighting the enemy that's embedded in with the people. They literally have headquarters at hospitals, they're having military weapons and doing all this stuff. Some of the journalists are terrorists, some of the people are terrorists. They're not even fighting with uniforms on. How do we even know who's a combatant and who's not a combatant? When they release the results of how many people that died, they're not telling you how many people are combating when they say that there's children that died. The range of children is from 17 all the way down. How, how do we know how many 17 year olds that they've recruited to fight on the side of Hamas? So it is ridiculous.

[Tara Palmeri]

So didn't we actually find that out if we had journalists in there?

[Piers Morgan]

Exactly. Wouldn't we actually have a burst if we had.

[Brandon]

Give me a break.

[Tara Palmeri]

No, if we had. If we had journalists in there that were from every country all over. You can. You can have your dispute with American journalists.

[Brandon]

You don't think they're dead, they will be getting killed. They will be dead. They will be starving.

[Emily Austin]

Let me just interject for a second. I want to point something out. I noticed after the ceasef, is that before the ceasefire, if you looked at videos of Gaza, it appears plenty of them were coming out. Not from journalists, from civilians in Gaza. You saw no men in uniform. It's almost like Hamas did not exist in Gaza. I actually thought Israel had gotten rid of them. Suddenly, after Israel withdrew its troops, every single man, actually, let me add, teenager and adult man, suddenly has a machine gun and is in uniform. Excuse me, the woman in the red. I forgot your name. Actually, really respect your opinion. But I do believe that these Hamas militants, if you're a journalist in Gaza and they're dressed as regular innocent civilians, you don't know who's who. So what are they going to do? Okay, you look like a normal kid. You look like a normal kid. You could be Hamas. I'm not sure. They were literally, as Brandon's trying to say, embedding themselves in civilians, not just in uniform as well.

[Piers Morgan]

They obviously were doing all of those things. Let me bring in Nadine. Nadine, you and I have talked a lot during this war, often in some very contentious circumstances. But today, how do you feel? I mean, the war appears to have ended for now. Palestinians are returning to what remains of their homes. There appears to be a joyous feeling of at least the war is over and they can try and get back to their lives. They haven't been expelled, as many on the Israeli government would have liked to seen. So do you give Trump any credit for this?

[Nadine Kiswani]

I mean, I sincerely hope that the war is over. Palestinians have been through enough, through starvation, famine, entire bloodlines wiped out, families that will never be the same again. And I just think these ceasefires aren't necessarily proof of peace. So far they've just been pauses in the project of genocide and ethnic cleansing that began over 75 years ago with the NECBA and continues today under Trump. Countless of Palestinians were killed, they were starved, they were displaced. And the so called ceasefire plan didn't even include Palestinians negotiators at all in the construction of the plan. Instead, Palestinians were forced into submission through starvation, blockade, and these US administered Gaza humanitarian fund sites where people were rounded up and targeted by Islamophobic biker gangs. And now part of these deals demand the disarmament of Hamas, which is literally impossible since most of the weapons that Hamas happens now were delivered by Israel itself in the form of unexploded ordinances and munitions dropped on Gaza. So it feels like, you know, this is all just a setup to extract the hostages, which Hamas said early on in October 2023 that they were willing to release all of the civilian hostages in order to just continue killing people in Gaza. You know, just last night another Palestinian was killed, was shot by Israel. And also proxy, you know, militias that are being funded and protected by ISRA in Gaza are also continuing to kill Palestinians, like the Palestinian journalist Salah Jafarawi, who was murdered. And I think another thing that is important to mention here is that Israel systematically.

[Tara Palmeri]

Hamas, you're a compulsive liar.

[Nadine Kiswani]

$7,000. We get it, you get your pay.

[Brandon]

$7,000.

[Nadine Kiswani]

Mention that Israel systematically destroyed more hospitals, schools, water and sanitation systems and other essential infrastructure withdrawing from Gaza, leaving the Palestine.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, don't all talk at once. Nadine, let me ask you a question out of interest. What should Israel have done on October 8th by way of responding to the worst terror attack of modern times?

[Nadine Kiswani]

What should Palestinians have done to respond to constant killing?

[Piers Morgan]

That wasn't my question. What should Israel have done?

[Nadine Kiswani]

She your lawyer? I'm not sure why she's continuously interrupting me. I know you get $7,000 to sit here and spew propaganda, but that's not going to work.

[Emily Austin]

You know what defamation is? You have any proof that I have.

[Nadine Kiswani]

Never gotten one penny from Israel?

[Emily Austin]

If you're going to make an accusation, back it up with. Do you have one. One receipt that I received $1 from Israel. Are you just trying to respond to.

[Nadine Kiswani]

His question right now? I know.

[Piers Morgan]

Hang on, hang on. It's a fair question. Nadine, you made an allegation against Emily that she's taken money to talk up for Israel. Do you have any proof of that?

[Nadine Kiswani]

This is widely reported, and I would like to actually focus on the question that you talked about, and I want.

[Emily Austin]

To focus on the allegations.

[Nadine Kiswani]

At the end of the day, I don't.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, just for the record, Emily, have you accepted. Have you been paid, Emily, to talk up in Israel's favor? No. Okay, so we've clarified that. Nadine, answer my question, though. What should Israel, not. Not the Palestinians, what should Israel have done after this appalling terror attack?

[Nadine Kiswani]

I think the only way that there can be peace in the Holy Land is through accountability and through justice, not through genocide. By committing this genocide, Israel hasn't.

[Piers Morgan]

I'm talking about the attempted genocide that Hamas waged. So let's talk about that first. Right. What should Israel have done following the mass murder of 1200 of its people, the wounding and maiming of 7000 more, and the kidnapping of over 250, including Holocaust survivors and babies? What should Israel have done? What would have been the proportionate correct response by Israel after that attack?

[Nadine Kiswani]

Negotiating a hostage exchange and in return for the Palestinian hostages would have saved a lot of bloodshed on both sides. And let's not forget that Israel employed the Hannibal directive on October 7. Much of the damage that have been done could only have been carried out by Apache helicopters. And, you know, all right, but do you think.

[Piers Morgan]

What. Do you think what Hamas did? Okay, but do you think what Hama on October 7 was justified?

[Nadine Kiswani]

You constantly ask me this question every time I come on your show as some sort of gotcha. You know, I think that repression and oppression breeds resistance. I'm not living at the opposite end of a barrel of an Israeli gun. I'm not having my home destroyed to rubble. So I'm not going to tell people that have constantly faced this prior to October 7, 2023, that resisting it is wrong or how they resist it is wrong. That's not my place.

[Piers Morgan]

A terror attack is not resistant. It's a terror attack.

[Brandon]

Pierce. Pierce, this young lady is a propagandist. He does not have common sense.

[Nadine Kiswani]

I'm asking you peers now, how should Palestinians respond to 75 years of displacement.

[Brandon]

For over 20 years? That's 75 years of displacement.

[Nadine Kiswani]

It's not just a few months. Okay, it's funny. You're such a hypocrite. You're talking about me interrupting you, and now you're constantly interrupting me.

[Brandon]

Here's okay, because it's getting crazy what you say.

[Nadine Kiswani]

Constant incursions on Gaza, to the destruction of refugee camps, the west bank, to the denial of the right of return to countless war crimes. How should a Palestinians responded to that?

[Piers Morgan]

My answer is that committing a terrorist attack of that magnitude is never, ever resistant or defensive.

[Nadine Kiswani]

So how should they resist? Well, no, you're just saying what they shouldn't do.

[Piers Morgan]

I'm making the point that an act of terrorism is never the correct response, ever.

[Nadine Kiswani]

That's the correct response.

[Piers Morgan]

Let me bring Brandon in here. Brandon, okay.

[Nadine Kiswani]

Can you answer the question that you tried to ask me?

[Brandon]

I want everybody to get a chance. This young lady is clearly a propagandist. She will not deny or will not say that Hamas is a terrorist organization and they killed innocent people. And then she want Hamas to be fighting and killing innocent people. And then when Israel come back and whoop they socks off, she has she act like it's a genocide. They haven't been committing a genocide. I don't know what world you live in or any other person that's living that think this is a genocide. You don't feed people in the genocide. The population doesn't grow during the genocide. 75 years the population has grown. What are you saying? Are you guys smoking or what? 75 years the population have grown. That's not a genocide.

[Nadine Kiswani]

Not with the definition of genocide, could you even define genocide. You clearly can't even define genocide.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, I'll tell you what, name another genocide. Let me just say something. Let me just say something. The reality, and I've learned this by talking to genocide scholars, is that no country or state has ever been found guilty of waging a genocide. I was surprised by that. I didn't know that. The bar for a genocide is extremely high. And that's why so far, no country has ever been found guilty or convicted of committing or waging a genocide. I didn't know that before this war broke out, but I do know that now. So the bar is very, very high. For even in Rwanda, they did not, in the end, classify that as a genocide. We might have a view. We might have a view that that's wrong, but my view of what's happened in Israel is That if you believe people like Smorich and Ben gvir, they were operating on a basis of ethnic cleansing, seizing the opportunity created by this appalling attack to actually expel Palestinians, kick them out of their homes and take their land, that's ethnic cleansing. But I wouldn't categorize that as a genocide, which is how many people have tried to make me call it. But that's my explanation. Let me bring destiny back. You'll be waiting. I've got to say, unusually patiently. Destiny, which I appreciate what people are talking about now is the future, whether there can be lasting peace. If it turns out this is the catalyst for lasting peace. And a lot of that may come down to the arrow and Muslim countries here who seem to be very actively involved in trying to get a lasting peace through this. How much credit would you give Donald Trump should he get the Nobel Peace Prize next year? Many thought he deserved it this year. You know, it is unusual to have a Republican American president who wants to forge peace, not war. But he talks about peace all the time. He's trying to find it in Ukraine. He seems to have found it in. You know, I'm not sure what else he has to do given that Barack Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize eight months into his tenure in his first presidency for basically making a couple of fancy speeches. But it seems people don't want to give him the Nobel Peace Prize because he's Donald Trump.

[Destiny]

Yeah, I don't think Donald Trump has an interest in peace. He just wants to get rid of problems and move on to the next thing. Again, we already had peace in the Middle east with the Abraham Accords and we saw where that led. Now we've got whatever the ceasefire is. The 20 point plan, I think is kind of a joke. I mean, he came in saying that he was going to figure out all these issues on day one. He hasn't. He let Israel wage basically maximally the war they wanted to wage. They were able to eliminate essentially every enemy. All the top brass in Hamas, like twice, you know, they bombed Qatar, they got the United States to bomb Iran. They, you know, Syrian regime, Bashar al Assad, his regime collapsed. They killed Nasrallah, they got rid of Hezbollah. The idea that Trump has come in and brokered peace after Israel has essentially eliminated all enemies, and then the peace that was brokered is this insanely one sided, favorable deal to the Israelis. I mean, I feel like they're just setting themselves up for some other terrorist attack in the future and then we're all going to be scratching Our heads looking around like, I can't believe this is happening again.

[Piers Morgan]

Tara.

[Emily Austin]

Destiny, you won. You have Trump derangement syndrome. Congratulations, you win this.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, at least Destiny's here, prepared to talk about it. I mean, the people.

[Destiny]

You know what? Nadine is right. $7,000. I see it now. There's the. Is that a monthly payment or a yearly payment?

[Emily Austin]

Honestly, I wish I got it. I really, really wish I did. If someone else is making it, I would love the directions of how I can get the money, too. But thus far, I haven't been offered, nor have I received. But thank you again for a baseless accusation.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, we cleared it.

[Destiny]

To be clear, you just basically accused me of having Trump derangement syndrome. I think my criticism is pretty pointed. There is no concrete plan for what this is going to look like afterwards. Israel got to end the war. They got to eliminate all enemies. They're getting to do damage to the infrastructure, by the way.

[Emily Austin]

They didn't. MOS is everywhere, all over Gaza flaunting how they've won this war.

[Destiny]

What has Israel been doing for two years and they're still everywhere? How many more places they need to bomb?

[Emily Austin]

Did you see the news coming out of Gaza that Hamas is cheering and parading?

[Destiny]

I don't know how much more time you need. I don't know how many more bombs.

[Tara Palmeri]

You have to drop.

[Destiny]

Like, I mean, at some point you have to. Your war is over. Like you figured it out. Like, you can't.

[Emily Austin]

At some point, Hamas needs to surrender and, like, demilitarize. Did you ever think about that?

[Destiny]

Oh, well, a complete surrender. Demilitarized would have been a good thing for Trump to arrange more than, you know, a year into his presidency. Presidency.

[Piers Morgan]

So it's.

[Destiny]

Why don't give any credit for it.

[Piers Morgan]

Tara, let me bring you in here because you're probably, I would say, the neutral member of the panel. In many ways, it does seem there is a double standard about Trump. Nobel Peace Prize credit for forging peace. I mean, do you think there is a double standard?

[Tara Palmeri]

I do think, you know, like you said, noted that President Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize in eight months. It's probably more of a symbol in a lot of ways than what it actually represents. Will this actually lead to peace? I think he should apply again because the application date was around January, when he was not even inaugurated. How could he be, you know, how could he put his name forward before he's even president yet? And even in this case, it's a little early days. I think we need to see if there is actual peace. I mean, next week this could all be broken. As we've said, Hamas has yet to give up its arms. Gaza is still occupied by the Israeli.

[Piers Morgan]

There are lots of unanswered questions. I do find it extraordinary that Bernie Sanders, for example, so vocal about Trump. Right. Last week, in the last seven days, 16 anti Trump posts on his ex account. He hasn't mentioned the Middle east at all. Bernie Sanders, a man who ran for president, hugely big figure in the United States political arena, hasn't mentioned this on his feet. All he's done is relentless Trump bashing about other stuff. And I'm like, you know, it's so transparent that, you know, you talk about Trump derangement syndrome. How does that manifest itself if you are a senior politician in the United States and you can't find it in yourself? Even Hillary Clinton gave Trump credit for this because she knows how difficult it is to get to this place. Yeah, you know, I just think to Bernie Sanders, I asked him directly, you know, what's stopping you saying something, anything. You're very vocal all day long about Trump. And the reason is he doesn't want to say anything positive about Trump. So he'd rather not talk about this incredibly historic moment in the Middle east, which is, you know, an example of just how unhinged a lot of Trump's opponents become.

[Nadine Kiswani]

Well, this is all political theater at the back. Trump.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, let Tara respond.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, I mean, ultimately I think it's the fact that it feeds President Trump's ego. They find him detestable. The fact that he needs these plaudits and awards, they don't like him as a person. It's political, obviously. But yeah, this is a big deal. He got Benjamin Netanyahu in the Oval Office to apologize to Qatar.

[Emily Austin]

Huge.

[Tara Palmeri]

Created. Huge. He created a relationship with the Israeli Prime Minister that has that no other president has in decades. And he was able to almost strong arm this moment that we got to right now, now. And yes, he deserves credit for it, but the whole question is, does it hold up? And that's why this year long evaluation for his Nobel Peace Prize makes the most sense. He probably hates that he has to wait for it, but I think it will show if this holds up. And I think.

[Piers Morgan]

We slightly lost you there is. Sorry, we lost you for a couple.

[Tara Palmeri]

Of seconds on this ish.

[Piers Morgan]

And that they're sorry, just repeat your last point because you were frozen.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh yeah. I'll just finish on this last point if I have.

[Destiny]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

My last point is that I hope that this period of time that it will take for them to decide if he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize will keep him fixed on the Middle east and will not just be something he can check off and, you know, say I did this, that it will make sure that there's actual follow through on this 20 point plan.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah. Brandon, do you feel there's a double standard when it comes to giving Trump credit for this kind of thing?

[Brandon]

Oh, 1,000%. I mean, I think Trump derangement is a real thing. I think these people like, for me, if there was a Democrat that negotiated this, I don't care how much I don't like these Democrats, I'd be like, this is great, man. That's a win. If Barack Obama does something good, that was great. I like when he do things well. It's our country. So I'm hoping that he gets victories. But look at it. Look at what happened, Pierce. You see people that Trump has negotiated peace, the ones who claim it was a genocide and their babies are dying. He's gotten it to stop and they won't even celebrate that because they hate him so much. This should be a celebration, at least in part. Donald Trump is not God. And to be honest, the only threat of this backfiring is from the Palestinians and from Hamas. It's not like Israel is going to go back on it. They're going to do another terrorist attack is the fear. But I hope that it works and we should all be cheering for it to work. We should all be giving input on what's the next step here, because Trump can't control everything.

[Piers Morgan]

But I agree. And also, Emily, I mean, I just feel that it gives you much more credibility, whoever you are, if you're prepared to just look at the big picture and give your opponent credit where they deserve it. It just gives you more credibility. You know, I think one of the problems with social media, it's got so tribal and so toxic that even when a new fact comes out about your side, which is obviously very damning or wrong, people will try and pretend it isn't because they think that that shows weakness, when in fact, to actually criticize your own side from time to time or to credit the other side is a good thing for democracy. And I wish we could get back to a place where we could all do that quite freely. I criticize Trump quite regularly, but I praise him quite regularly. I think that's the right. I was the same with Obama. I just think that is the way. That is the way a proper democracy works. Right? But when people are so Intransigent about giving any credit to someone like Donald Trump, whatever he does. I just think to me, they lose credibility.

[Destiny]

I mean, I think you can give credit, just give credit where credit is due. There's been like six Israel, Gaza wars, 2008, 2014, cast lead and protective edge. These were huge wars that had ceasefires after them. The conflict has been never ending well, basically since the inception of the state of Israel between Israel and we've never.

[Piers Morgan]

Had this number destiny of Arab and Muslim countries come together to team up in this way.

[Destiny]

They haven't come together to team up. The letter that was written, the unifying letter, all of it was, we hope that they abide by international law.

[Piers Morgan]

No, they endorsed the Trump plan, though.

[Destiny]

I mean, the words that they're using are saying, we hope that something actually comes from. Yeah, but what this is like all the plans that Trump had, all the trade deals. Well, I thought the United States has no trade deals. There is no lasting peace right now between Israel, Gaza. This is like the framework of.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, actually, America does have a lot of new trade deals.

[Destiny]

We have none.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, actually it has a lot signed. Zero. No, that's not true.

[Destiny]

It's true. It's zero. It's absolutely true.

[Piers Morgan]

The uk, you're sitting in the United Kingdom. We have a trade deal.

[Destiny]

You do not have a trade deal.

[Piers Morgan]

Yes, we do.

[Destiny]

No, there is no trade deal. These things are not one page signed and posted on Twitter. They're extensive things that encompass entire markets and tons of writing for it, like, there's no trade deal.

[Piers Morgan]

A 10% tariff on UK products to the United States. That is a trade deal.

[Destiny]

That's not a trade deal. That's on an Excel spreadsheet. A trade deal is a comprehensive market encompassing thing that actually dictates terms that you can rely on for, you know, decades to come. It's not a thing that can change on a whim.

[Piers Morgan]

But do you, do you dispute that Trump has managed to negotiate a series of deals with countries which are, in terms of tariffs, more advantageous now to America than they were in January?

[Destiny]

No, our prices on everything are going up.

[Piers Morgan]

That wasn't my question.

[Destiny]

No, they're not advantageous. They're hurting the economy in every measurable way. Inflation is up, the amount of taxes now.

[Piers Morgan]

Stock markets at record highs.

[Destiny]

Because the stock market always goes up. Was under. It was under record highs. Of course it does.

[Piers Morgan]

When he launched his global tariff or the stock market market collapsed in the long term, now, having been promised Armageddon within six months, we've got to the point of six months. And the stock markets are higher than they were before he launched the tariffs.

[Destiny]

Not as high as it should be, but the stock market will tend upwards. That's how the stock market works.

[Brandon]

This is the thing. It takes time. Donald Trump is making an effort to do this and it takes time to come to fruition. I hope that you will be cheering for it to come to fruition and that Donald Trump is going to realize some of these things that he's put into place, some of these negotiations will go through in a better way. Don't you wish that destiny? I think we all want that, right?

[Destiny]

I don't know what anybody wants. We're talking about giving the Nobel Peace Prize, hopefully to a guy who is declaring war on his own cities. I mean, I don't know what the.

[Piers Morgan]

Actual goal is for anything.

[Brandon]

You know how ridiculous that is?

[Destiny]

I do.

[Tara Palmeri]

I agree.

[Destiny]

It is ridiculous. I'm glad we can agree on that. You're going to war with Chicago.

[Piers Morgan]

You know what's interesting? Don Lemon, I was watching the citizen journalist, Don Lemon out with his microphone and he was talking to people in various cities about putting the National Guard on the streets. And you know what they all said? To his astonishment, they ruled in favor of it.

[Emily Austin]

I would be too, if my, if my city was overrun by crime and gangs and shootings and stabbings and murders.

[Piers Morgan]

If you, if you feel, if you feel the police, if you feel the police is under resourced and ineffective and is not protecting you, then I think people actually have rather like the visibility of members of a National Guard on the streets. And you know, people can call it the militarization, the creeping fascism, all these things, or they could actually ask the people that live in those places, how do you feel about having some National Guard people on the streets? They actually feel comforted by the visibility of National Guard on their streets. So maybe Trump, the only people who.

[Emily Austin]

Don'T like law enforcement are criminals. That's the reality, right?

[Brandon]

These are just, these are just politicians that are, that are running their mouth just like Black Lives Matter when they want to defund the police. You ask people that live in the hood, they love the police, they want the police there. They get sick of their kids getting shot in the middle of the street. So most people go to Chicago, I mean, go to D.C. remember when they were protesting D.C. a bunch of white people, you know, the majority of D.C. population is black. None of the black people are out there protest. It's a bunch of leftist nut jobs and politicians who are pushing this Agenda. Most people want to be safe. The property value goes up. When it's safe, stores come into the community, the economy is boosted, your schools are better. No person on earth want crime to be rampant in their cities. And when their politicians do nothing, then Trump has to step in.

[Piers Morgan]

All right, let me give the last word to Nadine. How do you see things in the next two, three years in Gaza, in the west bank, in that region?

[Nadine Kiswani]

No, I think Trump addressing the Knesset today just proves how absurd this whole conversation is. He bragged about moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem. He rewarded Israel's legal annexation. He praised Miriam Adelson while also calling her Israel first.

[Piers Morgan]

He also went to Egypt. After the Knesset, he also went to Egypt. So, you know, yes, he was at the Knesset, yes, he got celebrated for getting the hostages released. That's inevitable. But he also then went to Egypt immediately. Right. So, you know, I look at the totality of what Trump has done on this very quick visit, and he's going to both sides. He understands you only get to peace by talking and sitting down and doing deals with all warring partners. Right. It's the only way you do it.

[Nadine Kiswani]

I mean, you know, what we've seen is the Palestinian resistance today are the orphans of the past Israeli incursions on Gaza, on the west bank, the number of Hamas militants, just like, you know, the pro Israel commentators here said, hasn't actually decreased since October 2023. It's just about staying the same. So I think as long as you think that you can't bring, you can't bomb people into peace, you can't bomb people into submission, and Palestinians will continue to resist no matter what, because they are facing a genocidal baby killing machine that is built on the blood of our people. That's built on the blood.

[Brandon]

And they're going to keep getting their butts kicked.

[Nadine Kiswani]

My village in Palestine was annexed, annexed three weeks ago. Not a single establishment or legacy media outlet has covered it. Betixa was annexed. You can search this up. And as long as we continue to be dispossessed through our land, denied the right of return and slaughtered mercilessly, whether in Gaza, whether in the West bank, or even 48 citizens, Palestinian citizens of Israel, Palestinians are only going to continue to fight. That, that is, and they're going to.

[Brandon]

Keep getting their butts.

[Nadine Kiswani]

Human nature. That is just human nature.

[Piers Morgan]

All right, we will see.

[Emily Austin]

Before we go, I want to remind you that you had an ordinan right after October.

[Piers Morgan]

I remember. Yeah.

[Emily Austin]

Off the bat, you asked her, do you condemn October 7th she said no. She hardly condemned 9 11. Now that we're seeing each other again face to face.

[Nadine Kiswani]

Nadine, second grade when 911 happened.

[Emily Austin]

You are pro Israel.

[Nadine Kiswani]

Larry Ellison can buy TikTok.

[Emily Austin]

You are not Palestine because when Hamas.

[Nadine Kiswani]

Is literal.

[Emily Austin]

You'Re silent. Hamas is killing Palestinians.

[Piers Morgan]

It's good to see, it's good to see the time.

[Emily Austin]

Out.

[Piers Morgan]

It is good to see that you two have moved on with your relationship since you last appeared on the panel together. And there is a new harmony to it which was lacking last time.

[Destiny]

That was Israel. Palestine in a nutshell right there.

[Piers Morgan]

You know what? Actually, yes. And that's where we need to get Palestinians deranged.

[Nadine Kiswani]

Palestine does not.

[Emily Austin]

Israel Palestine.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay.

[Brandon]

Palestinians deranged.

[Piers Morgan]

Unusually for when a panel includes destiny, he's ended with the most prescient point of all, probably the most pertinent point of all, which it actually, in a way that is the problem. And we need to get to a place where we get our mutual respect. And actually I believe one day that that will be a two state solution.

[Nadine Kiswani]

Point is not like 70,000 Palestinians and counting probably more than that. I think that number is much higher.

[Piers Morgan]

All right, I'm going to, I'm going to leave it there. But thank you very much indeed, all of you for the debate. I appreciate it.

[Tara Palmeri]

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