Trump’s Davos Meltdown + ICE Escalates — and the Epstein Files Are Going Nowhere

Summary

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The Tara Palmeri Show

Episode Title: Trump’s Davos Meltdown + ICE Escalates — and the Epstein Files Are Going Nowhere
Host: Tara Palmeri
Date: January 22, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode examines three primary stories at the heart of American and international politics:

• Donald Trump’s unscripted and controversial performance at the Davos World Economic Forum, focusing on his mental fitness and global leadership optics.
• The Trump administration’s escalation of ICE activities in Minnesota, marked by warrantless home raids and escalating fears of constitutional overreach and racial profiling.
• The snail’s pace of the Epstein files investigation, with revelations about withheld documents, Ghislaine Maxwell’s upcoming House testimony, and Michael Cohen maneuverings.

Tara Palmeri, known for her incisive and fearless style, provides not only her own perspective, but also lively debate with prominent political commentators as sampled from her panel appearance on Abby Phillips’ CNN roundtable.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s Davos Speech: A Meltdown on the World Stage

(Main segment: 00:23–15:47)

• Tara's Take on Trump’s Speech
  Tara recounts her panel appearance on CNN, where Trump's erratic behavior at Davos became undeniable:

  • "It was verbal diarrhea in front of some of the most powerful people in the world..." (00:27)
  • The speech was filled with embellishments, false claims, and embarrassing geographic mix-ups, notably confusing “Greenland” with “Iceland” repeatedly.

• Notable Gaffes

  • Trump remarked, "Right now you'd all be speaking German and a little Japanese perhaps," while speaking in a German-speaking part of Switzerland (10:52–11:27).
  • His confusion between Greenland and Iceland became a viral talking point.

    “He referred to Greenland as Iceland. I mean, we were talking about sending troops... and he's calling it Iceland.” – Tara Palmeri (02:09)

• Panelist Reactions
  – Anna Navarro: "That is just like mental sludge. No one at that goes to the World Economic Forum speaks like that... This is a very refined crowd.... This was just stream of consciousness insanity." (12:26–12:57)
  – Bakari Sellers: "If Joe Biden were to have done that and mistaken Greenland, Joe Biden would have... been calling for his impeachment." (13:05) – Abby Phillips: "Men in white uniforms would have rushed the stage and put [Biden] in a straight jacket." (13:28) – Bhatia: “The disappointing part... is that we laugh it off and we excuse it as just Donald Trump or he's something he would have done before...” (14:22) – Tara: “This is his brand. This is the type of leaderboard.” (14:01)

• Theme: Age and Fitness
  The roundtable agreed that both Trump and Biden’s advanced ages lead to frequent, visible slip-ups, fueling public concern about leadership competence.

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2. ICE Raids in Minnesota: Constitutional Crisis and Racial Fears

(Main segment: 15:56–32:42)

• Escalation and Legality

  • Trump’s ICE now permits agents to enter homes lacking judicial warrants, relying on administrative warrants alone (18:56–20:29).
  • Internal memos encourage circumventing previous protocols, stoking anxiety about unchecked government power.
  • “I think ICE has run amok.” – Bhatia (20:29)
  • Immigrants, even those with legal status or asylum claims, are vulnerable to sudden arrest—sometimes while simply entering a courthouse (30:07).

• Racial Profiling & Community Impact

  • Anna Navarro: "They're often picking up people who are Americans and just targeting them because of their race and they're destroying communities because of it." (27:56)
  • Abby Phillips: “There is such performative, emboldened cruelty that is happening because this administration is encouraging it...” (26:13)
  • Bakari Sellers: "Even when I served... Democrats and Republicans were able to look at each other and say... We understand there was a point in which we were Americans first. Now... they're okay with warrantless searches." (21:17)
  • The chilling effect on communities: “People who worry that they don't look, quote, unquote, American, as in white, Anglo... are not leaving their houses.” – Anna Navarro (27:56)
  • A rare focus: Abby Phillips queries why employers hiring undocumented workers face so little scrutiny or consequence in comparison (28:22).

• Constitutional Rights Debate

  • Heated exchange over whether non-citizens are protected under the 5th and 14th Amendments:
    • Bhatia: "The 5th and 14th amendment... provide that everyone, even noncitizens, have a right to due process." (23:51)
    • Guest Panelist: "The standard of due process for expelling an illegal is much lower..." (24:02)
  • Bakari Sellers underscores that the central concern isn’t about “the worst of the worst,” but the loss of fundamental rights for all.

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3. The Epstein Files: Justice Delayed

(Main segment: 05:43–09:44; additional: 09:44–10:37)

• Overwhelmed Prosecutors

  • "They have 2 million files to get through. Every prosecutor isn't on a imminent or ongoing case is on it." – Tara Palmeri (06:30)
  • After the deadline, only 1% of the files have been released, leading Tara to predict a “very busy, busy, busy winter and spring.” (07:25)

• Ghislaine Maxwell’s Testimony

  • Set to testify before the House Oversight Committee on Feb. 9, with Tara questioning her credibility and highlighting the bizarre nature of Maxwell seeking clemency for her cooperation (07:50).
  • “How is she even credible? Why is she even getting this opportunity to give a deposition? It really blows my mind. But yeah, James Comer... has her.” (07:57)

• Michael Cohen’s Strange Maneuvering

  • Cohen now claims he offered SDNY prosecutors information about Epstein learned (allegedly) from Trump, despite denying knowledge last year.
  • His credibility is in question; recent writings claim he was pressured to testify against Trump, which could have appeal ramifications.
  • Tara references her live, real-time reporting, texting Cohen and Santos as she sifts through “receipts” (09:44).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Trump Curve:

  "What Gavin Newsom said was that he gets graded on a curve. ...there is no discussion that Donald Trump gets away with doing things and saying things that no other normal precedent or human being would get away with." – Abby Phillips (18:34)

• On ICE Overreach:

  "You have the little short guy who, like, runs ICE, marching in the street looking like the head of the Gestapo. I mean, this is not what America is." – Bhatia (20:29)

• On Due Process:

  "The 5th and 14th Amendment... provide that everyone, even noncitizens, have a right to due process." – Bhatia (23:51)

• On Communities in Fear:

  "People who worry that they don't look, quote, unquote, American, as in white, Anglo... are not going to the Home Depots. They're not leaving their houses." – Anna Navarro (27:56)

• On Employer Accountability:

  "What pisses me off is I never see them detaining the employers, the people who are employing undocumented immigrants, the people making money off of exploiting many times undocumented immigrants. Where is the fire? Where is the energy for those folks?" – Abby Phillips (28:22)

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Segment Timestamps

• Trump’s Davos Speech and Mental Fitness: 00:23–15:47
• ICE Escalation and Rights Debate: 15:56–32:42
• Epstein Files Update & Cohen Maneuvers: 05:43–09:44; 09:44–10:37
• Notable Panel Exchanges/Quotes: 10:37–18:47
• Panel’s Luxury Wish List (comedic closer): 33:08–34:06

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Tone and Style

Tara maintains her signature mix of directness, skepticism, and humor—regularly invoking incredulity at developments in American power politics. The roundtable’s conversation is lively, occasionally sharp, but rooted in concern for governance, justice, and the American public’s right to know.

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For Listeners: Takeaway

If you missed the episode, know this:

• Trump’s approach on the world stage is more unscripted than ever, driving allies and adversaries alike to question US stability—and age is no small part of the conversation.
• Immigration enforcement under Trump 2.0 is pushing legal and ethical boundaries, with warrantless raids, racial profiling, and constitutional alarms ringing.
• The battle to uncover Epstein’s secrets remains mired in bureaucracy and intrigue, with big names and strange plot twists still emerging.

Tara Palmeri delivers the inside scoop—and isn’t afraid to challenge the powerful or her own panelists. For even more detail, follow her reporting and sign up for her newsletter “The Red Letter.”

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Transcript

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[Bakari Sellers]

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[Anna Navarro]

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[Bhatia]

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Benjamin Netanyahu is representing, who was representing Israel, is joining, but he couldn't make it because he's been accused of war crimes. So, yeah, it's pretty interesting. Trump is running it, and obviously, you can see that it's trying to usurp the UN which has a lot of detractors. But regardless, this is what's going on at Davos right now. So I could go into every detail of what President Trump said during his speech. It was crazy. A lot of it was embellished. He rambled. He said that you'd all be speaking German right now if not for the United States or a little Japanese while they were in Switzerland where people actually speak German. So, yeah, got that one wrong. But the one fact that was just like you, you undeniably, you cannot, you cannot avoid talking about this is that he called Greenland, you know, a territory, a country that he has been, he had his eye on for so long. He's had his eye on for a very long time. Iceland. Over and over and over again, not once, not twice, over and over and over again. He referred to Greenland as Iceland. I mean, we were talking about sending troops. There are European troops on the ground in Greenland, and he's calling it Iceland. I'm sure Iceland's wondering, like, what's up? What's next with us? And Caroline Levitt was like, no, you. You were wrong. It was ice and land because Greenland has ice on it. It's like, okay, lady, that's insane. Nice try, right? But of course, on the panel, it went to the Joe Biden of it all, because obviously Joe Biden got a lot of things wrong, too. I mean, he would call Vladimir Zelensky Putin. He would totally mess things up like that. But, you know, I sort of laid it out just as simply as I could to say, guys, this is what happens when you elect men who are over 80 and you want them to run the country. Do you think that they're going to be coherent all the time? So, yeah, most powerful people in the world. This is who we're giving the job to. And nothing. I'm not an ageist, but this is what happens. And I'm sure he's exhausted. Not to give him too much, you know, not to give him too much credit, but he went to the Miami game, Indiana, Miami game, the night before. He was there till two in the morning, gets on flights. I mean, that is something that even a really young person would be exhausted from the rigor of that travel. I can say I've been traveling a lot in the past few weeks. As you can see, I'm in a hotel again. And it really wears you out. Okay, then we moved on to ICE and the raids in Minnesota and Minneapolis, and obviously tensions are rising. It has become a tinderbox in Minnesota. And of course, Our vice president, J.D. vance, is. Is headed there on Thursday not to lower the temperature, but to turn it up, you know, with a message of restoring law and order. So pay close attention to that. Obviously, as of recording this, I have not been able to see his remarks or see what happened, but restoring law and order. And as we know, JD Vance is always on the dramatic side. He likes to turn it up. He has a flair for drama. For drama. So we'll see what happens there. Is it going to be like that very uncomfortable Zelinsky meeting where he basically shouted at him in the end? Oval Office. And are we going to see riots and protests to his arrival? Okay, in the meantime, as you saw from my last podcast with Mark Caputo of Axios, we talked about this. The fact that these ICE raids are increasingly unpopular. People just don't like it. It's tearing apart cities. And we talk about this on the Abby Phillips show as well. Mark said that the White House has seen polling shots shown go people and Republican bullying. That shows that it's becoming increasingly unpopular and they don't know what to do. They're in this Chinese finger trap. Escalation, you know, is their only it's the only way they think they can move forward. And that means sending in more troops. And now agents are allowed to enter a home without a warrant issued by a judge. Just a memo. That's all they need. So we talk about that on the show, too. So clearly this whole idea of retreat is just not in their lexicon. It's, hey, let's make it easier for raids that are frankly terrifying people. So take a listen to the show for that. I also want to give you an upstate an update on the Epstein files. There is some new reporting that prosecutors from the Southern District of New York, where a lot of these cases were filed because that's where Epstein lived in the Upper east side, they are working around the clock to try to get through these Epstein files. And they are being crushed. Crushed, crush, crushed. I mean, they have 2 million files to get through. Every prosecutor isn't on a imminent or ongoing case is on it. And it's been a month since the December 19th deadline, actually more than a month now. And according to Time magazine, we've only seen 1% of the Epstein files. So buckle up. We're going to be it's going to be a very busy, busy, busy winter and spring. And now get this. Glenn Maxwell, who is sitting in prison while now a prison camp in Texas, she set to testify before the House oversight committee on February 9th. How is she even credible? Why is she even getting this opportunity to give a deposition? It really blows my mind. But yeah, James Comer, Republican leading the House Oversight Committee, has, has, has her. And what is she asking for in exchange? You guessed it, clemency. Now, there's also been an update in the Michael Cohen situation, which you can watch and read about@tara palmeri.com that's T A R A P A L m e r I.com as we saw, he's in the Epstein files. He was offering prosecutors in the Southern District of New York information about Jeffrey Epstein that he learned from Donald Trump, even though he told me back in August that he knew nothing but this information, he was triggering a, a legal protocol, Title 35, I believe it's called that would have meant that the information was so important and so relevant to another case that it could have lightened his sentence or improved his condition. So, yeah, what is that information? We don't know. Michael Cohen claims it's about the infant Jane Doe that he told me about, but he said it was and that wasn't a real person. So I don't know how that information could be so valuable to the Justice Department, to these SCNY prosecutors. But since that recording, Michael Cohen wrote a piece saying that he felt that he was being pressured by Letitia James and Alvin Bragg, prosecutors in New York, to testify against President Trump in the hush money case. And obviously that case is on appeal right now. So to have the star witness say I was pressured to testify against Trump would certainly help that appeal, don't you think? And that's a lot of people wondering, what's Michael angling for? Well, he was dropped from the Midas Touch network after this piece came out. And Lev Parnas, who I spoke to him on Substack, my latest piece, he said that Michael has been trying to get to the White House, trying to get to Trump to ask for pardon. Michael said he and Jesse Jackson asked for a number of nonviolent offenders to, to get pardons. He said he did not specifically lobby on his own case. He denied that. But this is a weird twist which George Santos, by the way, denies. But Lev said that Michael Cohen actually asked George Santos for advice on how to get to Trump. Yeah, it's really weird. They both deny it, by the way, but you got to watch the, the episode. It's so weird. It's so crazy. Lev has receipts. He always has receipts. 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[Bakari Sellers]

President Trump filled his speech today at the World Economic Forum with his usual laundry list of false claims. Claims, you know, rigged elections, stopping eight wars. And then he peppered in some fictional figures to just straight up strange things.

[Gavin Newsom]

Listen, domestic steel production is up by 300,000 tons a month. We've secured commitments for a record breaking $18 trillion. More than $19 billion in fraud that was stolen by Somalian bandit. You know, they're pirates, windmills all over the place. Destroy your land. Destroy your land. Without us, most of the countries don't even work. Without us Right now you'd all be speaking German and a little Japanese perhaps.

[Bakari Sellers]

As he speaks in a German speaking part of Switzerland. But okay. Most notably though, this was the flub that got a lot of attention.

[Gavin Newsom]

I'm helping NATO and until the last few days when I told them about Iceland, they loved me. They called me daddy. Right? Last time. They're not there for us on Iceland, that I can tell you. I mean our stock market took the first dip yesterday because of Iceland. So Iceland's already cost us a lot of money.

[Bakari Sellers]

Iceland. Well, here is Trump's arch nemesis, Gavin Newsom and his take on it.

[Tara Palmeri]

No other president.

[Anna Navarro]

He's held to the curve.

[Bhatia]

He's graded on a curve.

[Tara Palmeri]

I mean it's really some jaw dropping and remarkable statements that just, you know.

[Bhatia]

Fly in the face of facts and.

[Tara Palmeri]

Evidence and common sense.

[Bakari Sellers]

Tara Palmieri is here with us at the table. Tara, is he graded on a curve?

[Anna Navarro]

Oh yeah. That is just like mental sludge. I don't, no one at that goes to the World Economic Forum speaks like that. You know, just off the cuff, blasting out just complete false stats and just insults everyone. I mean it's like this is a very refined crowd. I mean it is the elites, but they, they come prepared. They're not just like riffing. I mean, this was just stream of consciousness insanity and we're supposed to be taken seriously.

[Bakari Sellers]

TW how do we explain this?

[Tara Palmeri]

That's Donald Trump. That's the reason he got 77 million votes and was twice elected.

[Bakari Sellers]

So if Joe Biden were to have done that and mistaken Greenland, Joe Biden would have been, you guys would have been calling 25th. You guys would have been calling for his impeachment.

[Tara Palmeri]

If he, if he did his Trump impression.

[Bakari Sellers]

If he. If he. If he gave word for word, the same speech that Donald Trump gave today.

[Tara Palmeri]

It would be the most shown in front of a large calling for his.

[Abby Phillips]

Men in white uniforms. Would have rushed the stage and put him into a straight jacket, I will tell you. And put him in a padded room for the rest of the day.

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, I'm not going to go there. Joe Biden's mentality or whatever.

[Bakari Sellers]

But for real. But for real. Tw. Honestly?

[Bhatia]

Yeah.

[Bakari Sellers]

The President of the United States on four separate occasions mixed up Greenland with Iceland. He made up statistics about all sorts of things. How is that not something that is of concern to everybody in this country?

[Tara Palmeri]

Because this is the same speech he would have given last year, the year before, the year before that. This is his brand. This is the type of leaderboard.

[Anna Navarro]

He wanted to invade Greenland and he called it Iceland. They looked at land. They're talking about a framework going back.

[Tara Palmeri]

To Joe Biden as though he didn't.

[Bakari Sellers]

Have any clubs like that.

[Anna Navarro]

These are serious conversations.

[Bhatia]

The disappointing part about the tenor of this conversation is that we laugh it off and we excuse it as just Donald Trump or he's something he would have done before. The comparison I look at is that Donald Trump's mental acuity, even before he aged was mediocre at best. As somebody who came from a failed business background is somebody who believes that they were born. That they hit a home run, they were born on third base. His data gave him a million dollars to start his business. Right. This is somebody who's failed and failed and failed the people around him. Lindsey Halligan can't even call herself a United States lawyer anymore. Mediocre at best. Dr. Oz is making decisions about CMS. Elon Musk has no idea about bureaucracy. Wait, wait, wait, let me finish. Elon Musk has no idea about bureaucracy and government. You let him dissemble usaid. You're talking about rfk. The man who says he has a worm that ate his brain is now having a measles outbreak in South Carolina because he is over our Health and Human Services. See, my biggest problem is that Barack Obama, for example, Barack Obama had to be editor in chief of the Harvard Law Review. Barack Obama had to be a United States Senator. You all gave Barack Obama hell because he had a selfie stick and wore a brown suit. But yet. And still this man comes on stage in front of the world and he rambles and he misspeaks and he says this and he. I mean, he could have said that we solved the war between Wakanda and Namor. Right. And Republicans would have been like, oh, yeah, I'm glad we stopped that African country.

[Anna Navarro]

Can we just agree that men over 80 start to ramble and sound crazy? And that is why we also got a lot of slip ups from Biden.

[Abby Phillips]

He's been rambling for a lot longer.

[Bakari Sellers]

How long would he. Let me just play. Ty Cobb, Trump's former lawyer, talking to Aaron Burnett tonight about what he saw today.

[Anna Navarro]

This is, this is a man who's.

[Bakari Sellers]

Who is demented and his narcissism has run amok.

[Anna Navarro]

And I don't think there's anybody outside the boundaries of the United States who believes for a second that Trump is sane at this stage of the game. And those in the United States are merely in denial or so invested in him, they can't, they can't accept what their lying eyes tell him.

[Bakari Sellers]

And some of those people that he's talking about are also telling Americans not to see what they actually saw. Caroline Levitt flat out denied that he mixed up Greenland and Iceland. He said his written remarks referred to Greenland as a piece of ice because that's what's in it. You're the one mixing up.

[Abby Phillips]

He was calling Greece Iceland land.

[Bakari Sellers]

Look, I'm just, I don't know. I'm sorry, but like, Caroline Levitt is straight up lying there. Is she expecting Americans to believe that the piece of paper said a piece of ice and then Trump said Iceland four times?

[Guest Panelist]

It's funny. Obviously, everything you've said is correct. He messed up. He called it Iceland. I've never once heard him say the word Azerbaijan correctly. But that doesn't mean that he did not bring peace between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Like the fact that he cannot be bothered to pronounce it correctly doesn't mean that the record. It doesn't mean that he didn't cut our deficit by 20% in one year. It doesn't mean that he didn't actually bring $18 trillion committed.

[Bakari Sellers]

It actually does not. The White House is literally. Hold on, hold on. The White House's own website, Bhatia says that major investment announcements during this Trump term was $9.6 trillion.

[Anna Navarro]

So.

[Bakari Sellers]

So even his own administration is saying that is not true.

[Guest Panelist]

That's the website. But I can tell you who has made the wait. So, look.

[Bakari Sellers]

I don't know what to say. Tell me, like, who the leaders are who have committed them.

[Guest Panelist]

They are built into the actual trade deals.

[Bakari Sellers]

Does not seem South Korea, Saudi Arabia, the uae.

[Guest Panelist]

I'm literally reciting facts to you of things that he's done. And you're telling me, like.

[Tara Palmeri]

This is.

[Bakari Sellers]

Not a debate about Islam.

[Guest Panelist]

Thanks. From owning a single family.

[Bakari Sellers]

It's actually not a debate about his accomplishments. It's a debate about whether he can give a speech while actually telling the truth.

[Guest Panelist]

But that, that is the question.

[Abby Phillips]

What Gavin Newsom said was that he gets graded on a curve. And I think that, that there is no discussion that Donald Trump gets away with doing things and saying things that no other normal precedent or human being.

[Anna Navarro]

Would get away with.

[Abby Phillips]

He's amassed at one point.

[Bakari Sellers]

You're absolutely correct about that. I remember that from fifth grade. Iceland is green. Greenland is knowledge. Ice. Just remember that, everybody. Ladies and gentlemen, President of the United States. Up next tonight, an unprecedented escalation in Donald Trump's immigration crackdown. Federal immigration officers are asserting a sweeping power to forcibly enter people's homes without a warrant, contradicting ICE's own written guidance. In a memo obtained by the AP, the Acting ICE director instructs officers to forcibly enter residences based solely on administrative warrants. These are typically never seen by a judge. So a whistleblower report has highlighted that this memo has not actually been widely shared within ice, but its contents are being used to verbally train new officers. It's unclear how broadly the directive has been applied to, but video from earlier this month shows officers bearing only administrative warrant and ramming the front door of a man. So this whistleblower complaint, I think, really explained, explains some of what we've been seeing, Bakari. And it also suggests that there's some surreptitiousness happening even within ice, where people are being told not to actually write them down, not to keep the directives, but to read it and then return it. What do you think is going on here?

[Bhatia]

I mean, I think ICE has run amok. I think that's what we're seeing. I think that the fact that they only trained 47 days, that should one outrage everybody. I mean, the fact is, most barbers in the United States of America, most beauticians, all have to have more training than that. They're going out on the street. They're disregarding the law. They act as if they're above the law. You have the little short guy who, like, runs ice, marching in the street looking like the head of the Gestapo. I mean, this is not what America is. And then I want to quote Kavanaugh, which is rare for me to quote, but he says the officers must not make interior immigration stops or arrests based on race or ethnicity. This is was a footnote in one of the opinions that he wrote. And that's not. I mean, we literally are seeing ICE agents go out there and stop people because of what they look like to.

[Abby Phillips]

The point where they are stopping Native Americans.

[Bhatia]

And not only that, but African Americans. You saw the Twin Cities. And this is. This is frustrating to me because even when I served in a general assembly in South Carolina, you got to a point where Democrats and Republicans were able to look at each other and say, look, there's some bullshit. This is cool, whatever. You know, we understand there was a point in which we were South Carolinians or Americans first. Now you have limited government Republicans running around, and they're okay with warrantless searches. How does that make sense? This is an abusive power.

[Bakari Sellers]

The people who. On the right in particular, who are typically concerned about things like, you know, the government overreach, searches and seizures, et cetera. Does it give you pause that they are expanding the view of what they can do to break into people's homes?

[Guest Panelist]

Well, first of all, it's not without a warrant. It's an administrative warrant. And what the memo actually says is if a judge has issued a final order of removal, meaning that this is an illegal who has gotten a lot of due process already and exhausted every single legal avenue to challenge their deportation.

[Bakari Sellers]

I guess I don't want to. Let me just pause you there, because I just, just don't want people to be confused. The administrative warrant is not a warrant that a judge sees typically in the United States. In order for authorities to break into your home without your permission, they need a judge to see it and to say, you can enter because you're looking for something you're offering because citizens have constitutional rights. But that man, for example, that we just played the video of, he might have lived in that house, but that house was also. In that house also resided other American citizens. So, again, where are the. The. Where are the people on the right who are typically concerned about constitutional rights? Are you not at all worried about.

[Guest Panelist]

Constitutional rights for that they can just.

[Bakari Sellers]

Break into your home?

[Guest Panelist]

We have different standards of what due process is owed to an.

[Bakari Sellers]

Well, let me give you what is owed to an. What about this?

[Guest Panelist]

And we should all support that. What about. Should all want a higher level.

[Bakari Sellers]

What about American constitutional rights to us.

[Guest Panelist]

As American citizens, not to legals, because it's supposed to mean something to be an American.

[Bakari Sellers]

There are a lot of problems with that. I mean, there are constitutional rights that, like just basic constitutional rights that don't change based on whether you're a citizen.

[Bhatia]

Yeah, but that's. You're wrong, Batia, because no, they have.

[Guest Panelist]

A right to due process. But no, that standard is much lower.

[Bhatia]

No, the 5th, the 5th and 14th amendment of the United States Constitution provide that everyone, even noncitizens, have a right to due process.

[Guest Panelist]

Yes, to due process. But the standard of due process for expelling an illegal is much lower than the standard that we would have if we were.

[Bhatia]

We are talking about entering one's domicile, one's abode.

[Guest Panelist]

They have a final order of deportation.

[Bhatia]

Bhatia, you cannot utilize military or law enforcement in the United States of America to enter one's home colloquially willy nilly. You just simply cannot do that because of the fundamental guarantees we have under the United States Constitution.

[Guest Panelist]

Yes.

[Bakari Sellers]

And what happened as American, one one way or another, there's no question that this is going to be challenged because prior to this moment, this actually has not been the DHS's policy because they don't that previously to this new determination, for whatever reason, they, they believed that it would have been unconstitutional to enter a home forcibly without a warrant.

[Guest Panelist]

Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

And we will see what the court rules. I'm a big fan of warrants and I don't, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't, I can't like go. What's the difference between an administrative and a regular? I don't, I don't know. So I don't want to speak out of school here, but the courts will rule. And similar to how you saw Trump act in the last Supreme Court ruling and pulling National Guard out. Not very dictator. Like, I'll be honest. We hear he's a dictator and then he listens to the courts. I don't think Hitler did that much. But look, I like warrants as usual. But my concern mostly is why people with deportation orders dating back to 1996, rape, multiple counts of homicide, et cetera, et cetera, were allowed to re enter the streets in Minnesota. Didn't do anything about it. And why they don't listen to Tom Holman and let them get them in the jails so we don't have to go to court.

[Abby Phillips]

Nobody is arguing against grabbing the worst of the worst. They're raped. But if he was actually doing that, if he was actually doing that, I think everybody would be applauding him. And they won't let them in jails, of course. Can I finish my thought for a minute?

[Anna Navarro]

I think.

[Bhatia]

Barack, Jesus, Donald, Trump, that.

[Abby Phillips]

They have run amok right now as we sit here. It was just found that a Cuban Immigrant who was being held in an El Paso jail. The medical examiner has found that he was killed in ICE custody in a detention center. There have been more deaths since Trump took office. Over 30 deaths in ICE custody. And I think we as Americans should be setting an example to the world of how we treat people even when they are detained. And there is such performative, emboldened cruelty that is happening because this administration is.

[Bakari Sellers]

Encouraging it and that is everyone supports it. Why don't they support.

[Abby Phillips]

Nobody supports that. Nobody supports that.

[Bakari Sellers]

Look at his numbers. Look at his approval numbers on immigration. From the brain coming up next tonight, as the legal battles begin between the Trump administration and locals, local officials. Protesters are accusing federal agents of stopping people based on their race.

[Anna Navarro]

Straight up. That is straight out of Nazi Germany from.

[Bhatia]

If there's somebody or gentleman or whoever she looks get, they will get arrested.

[Anna Navarro]

As well and they'll get deported on the sidewalk being peaceful.

[Guest Panelist]

It's simple.

[Bhatia]

It is. It's straight simple.

[Anna Navarro]

They can look like me, you, her, him.

[Tara Palmeri]

If you're legal or illegal, you'll get deported.

[Bakari Sellers]

So Bakari alluded to this in the last segment, but this is one of the main things I think the protesters are pushing back on because we have seen a lot of the videos and interactions in, in which ICE seems to be making these random stops and doing so predominantly to people who are black and brown.

[Guest Panelist]

Right.

[Anna Navarro]

And they're often picking up people who are Americans and just targeting them because of their race and they're destroying communities because of it. People who worry that they don't look, quote, unquote American, as in white, Anglo. You know, they're not going to the Home Depots. They're not leaving their houses. This is the problem. I mean, you can't, you're racially profiling communities and now you don't even need a warrant to do it anymore.

[Guest Panelist]

And you know what?

[Abby Phillips]

I always, I look at this and night after night, we see the excesses by ice. And what pisses me off is I never see them detaining the employers, the people who are employing undocumented immigrants, the people making money off of exploiting many times undocumented immigrants. Where is the fire? Where is the energy for those folks, is what I want to know.

[Tara Palmeri]

A few in North Carolina actually did get in trouble for that when they raided their.

[Abby Phillips]

Well, there's a hell of a lot more of a few. The reason that so many, there's so many people come to this country is because they find employment.

[Tara Palmeri]

We got to turn the magnets off all the time. All the time. And look, I. First of all, I think that ICE officer handled himself pretty well.

[Bakari Sellers]

It would have been.

[Tara Palmeri]

I think it would have been a.

[Bakari Sellers]

Much nicer interaction had he not had.

[Bhatia]

Like, a mask on. He said, look like people were trying.

[Tara Palmeri]

To dox him and kill him. That might be the case.

[Bakari Sellers]

I agree with you. I mean, I think it was actually a very respectable. But it was just. It was strange because they're having a conversation.

[Abby Phillips]

He looked like a Mexican lucha libre wrestler.

[Tara Palmeri]

Even though, you know, people of European descent, which I would presume those women are. I don't know. I'm guessing they only make up 3 to 4% of undocumented immigrants. ICE has deported people from Poland. They've picked up people from Ireland. On 99 of them, they've picked up people from all over the case. So it happens. It just so happens that most of them happily.

[Bhatia]

Do you think that ice. Do you think that ICE is picking up people because of the color of their skin?

[Tara Palmeri]

I hope they are picking them up because they are here illegally and have committed a crime.

[Bhatia]

But, I mean, it would. See, the problem is that it's a yes or no question and the evidence.

[Tara Palmeri]

Bears out yes, if they are innocent.

[Bhatia]

Because what happens?

[Abby Phillips]

70% of the people that are being detained don't have a criminal.

[Tara Palmeri]

And I have made the point many times over, if there is a mistake made or if there's any wrong doing, they ought to be rectified.

[Bhatia]

Seven out of ten ought to be.

[Tara Palmeri]

Rectified just to this point.

[Bakari Sellers]

Point that we're having. Chris Murphy, the senator, he was in San Antonio at an immigration court, and he talked about what he saw when he was there. Listen to this.

[Bhatia]

I got to talk to the ICE officers. I said, who are you prioritizing their answer? Everyone. I said, wait, I thought you were prioritizing criminals. They said, nope, we're looking for anyone that walks in to legally present themselves before the court, and we're putting them in to detention.

[Bakari Sellers]

So people walking into court trying to do what they're supposed to do under the law to either address their status to file for asylum, whatever it is. There are a lot of reasons that you can be in a courthouse, and according to Chris Murphy, they're just being swept up because the directive is to just pick everybody up.

[Guest Panelist]

Well, first of all, I want to say about that interaction, what you guys cut off the clip before you showed was one of those white women calling that black ICE officer a race traitor. She accused him of being reading at a level of an eighth grader and called him a Nazi. So it was actually respectful until they became absolutely disgusting and said completely inappropriate things to him. 70%, according to DHS, 70% of those who have been picked up have a criminal record, have some charge, criminal charges against them or an actual conviction. So 70%, that's a very good number. But also, the American people voted Trump in on a promise that he would carry out the largest deportation effort in American history. 57% of Americans on 20 different polls said they want every single illegal migrant deporting.

[Bhatia]

I think the problem of the worst.

[Guest Panelist]

Of the worst, I understand why that's now what Democrats are willing to admit that they're willing to deport. The problem is, is that's not what Trump ran on and it's not what he.

[Bhatia]

The problem that we have, I think, I think you brought up an amazing point, is that it's fracturing and ripping away communities. And I mean, what we're talking about here is that you TW you can walk down the streets of Minneapolis right now and feel safe, that you'll go from point A to point B and not be harassed and not the threat of anybody pulling you over because of the color of your skin. That is what America should be.

[Anna Navarro]

This is only.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm going to finish this talk.

[Bhatia]

I'm going to finish this thought. I'm going to finish this off.

[Guest Panelist]

Will not cooperate with ice.

[Bhatia]

First of all, it doesn't matter if you are in a sanctuary city in Minnesota or you're in a sanctuary city in Kansas. Like racism. Racism flat out has no place in this country. But I was going to say, if Ana and I walk down that same street, they're going to stop us and they're going to let the white people at this table keep going.

[Bakari Sellers]

I'm sad that Biden put us.

[Abby Phillips]

In fact, it is what's actually happening that you don't think it's happening is ridiculous.

[Bakari Sellers]

Extreme Home Makeover edition. We'll be right back. This week, as New York City's new mayor moves into Gracie Mansion, Zoran Mamdani revealed one of his first wish list items, a bidet. So for tonight's news, Nightcap, what's a must have luxury item that you're gonna request in your home? T.W. you're first.

[Tara Palmeri]

Sure, it'd be nice to have, like, a golf simulator, but I want my own private TW version of Margaritaville. Maybe like a mudslideville. We had a bar in my hometown of Bridgewater, Massachusetts, called North Key West. That's a good working title.

[Bakari Sellers]

Okay, Anna, listen, I like that odds on we gotta be quick.

[Abby Phillips]

When I got married, I got a toto toilet as a wedding gift. So I have one. I want them in every bathroom. These things. I could marry it. And it's what it's like.

[Bakari Sellers]

It's like a bidet on stove.

[Abby Phillips]

Oh, it's everything. It blows air, it blows water, it gets warm, it talks to you in different languages.

[Anna Navarro]

Okay, Tara, go ahead. Infrared sauna, steam room.

[Abby Phillips]

All right.

[Bhatia]

Towel warmer. And for my kids, they love TVs and mirror screens in the bathroom.

[Bakari Sellers]

Those are the worst TVs, though.

[Tara Palmeri]

They just don't know there's seven.

[Anna Navarro]

All right, go ahead.

[Guest Panelist]

I think this is going to be a unifier, a view of the ocean.

[Anna Navarro]

Oh, yes.

[Bakari Sellers]

The ultimate luxury.

[Guest Panelist]

Ultimate one.

[Tara Palmeri]

And a boat sitting out front.

[Bhatia]

Yes, you can tell, you can tell.

[Bakari Sellers]

That the coastal combination between the two of your wish list items. All right, everybody, thank you very much. Thanks for watching Newsnight. Laura Coates live starts right now.

[Anna Navarro]

That was another episode of the Tara Palmeri Show. Thanks so much for tuning in. If you like this show, please follow, subscribe, Rate it, share it with all your friends. As I always say, leave a comment. I want to hear from you. Do you think I got it right? How did I do on the panel? It's kind of a, you know, there were some big hitters on there, sitting next to Anna Navarro from the View, Bhatia, who I've had on the show before, Bakari Sellers, and of course, Abby herself. If you like this show, go to tarapaul. Mary.com Sign up for my newsletter, the Red Letter. Become a paid subscriber. Get my exclusive reporting straight to your inbox. It's how you can support independent journalism that, like I said, goes through me. I am just me to you, no gatekeepers. And I want to thank my producer, Eric Abenate. I want to thank Abby Baker, who's doing my socials, my research, and now some of my booking. I want to thank Dan Rosen, my manager, and Adam Stewart, who makes the graphics. See you again soon. This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. You chose to hit play on this podcast today. Smart choice. Make another smart choice with Auto Quote Explorer to compare rates from multiple car insurance companies all at once. Try [e-mail] Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates. Not available in all states or situations. Prices vary based on how you buy.