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Were the Royals Warned? Epstein, Alleged Blackmail, Bribes — and Sex Tape Fears Around Prince Andrew — With Andrew Lownie
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Tara Palmeri
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Tara Palmeri
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Tara Palmeri
Welcome to the Tara Palmeri Show. We have a very special guest today. We have an expert, a royal expert historian who has written a trilogy on Prince Andrew called entitled Andrew Lowney. He's back on the show. His first interview with us was a huge hit and I'm so happy to have you. So, Andrew, thank you for the small amount of time that we're going to get with you because I know you are being requested all over the globe, but what was your initial reaction when you saw that Andrew was finally arrested?
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Andrew Lownie
Well, I mean, shock and surprise. I never expected this. I thought they would try it out on Mandelson, who's the former British ambassador in Washington, who's also been alleged to have basically conducted misconduct in public office. And, you know, we've always felt that the police didn't really want to look at the royals and that the, this was never going to happen. So extraordinary to, to, to, to find that that has happened. I mean, still a long way to go. I mean, whether they will bring charges, whether there will be a trial, and if there is a trial, whether he'll be convicted are moot points. But there's, there's been a real change and the fact that the palace has said that basically they will cooperate with authorities, I hope they will, suggests that, you know, Andrew has finally been cut loose.
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Tara Palmeri
Yeah, I mean, it's amazing to me because we only know these revelations now, the ones that they're willing to pin him on, which feels a little bit like getting Al Capone on tax charges. Right. Because of the trade envoy, the fact that he was actually sharing information with Jeffrey Epstein in this very prestigious position that his mother fought for him to get the Queen of England. Right. And so it really does, actually. It backs up a lot of the reporting that you had in the book that about this mutually beneficial relationship between Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein. And it wasn't just about girls, which we know a lot of it was about girls and blackmail and honey trapping, but also a mutually economical, like economically beneficial relationship that yes, I've always felt
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Andrew Lownie
it was a book.
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Tara Palmeri
Explain that to our audience a little bit.
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Andrew Lownie
Well, I've always thought it was a book about financial corruption. But I mean, clearly what, what the new releases have shown is that basically in return for passing on confidential information to Epstein, which he was able to exploit with his other contacts, and this was material that Andrew got from having been a trade envoy for Britain between 2001 and 2011. Epstein was paying off Andrew's ex wife's debts. So there was a very clear relationship there. You do this for me and I'll do this for you. And of course, this was sensitive material, often very commercially sensitive. Some of it, for example, related to the banking crisis in 2008 when the Royal bank of Scotland had to be taken into public ownership. But he was leaking all sorts of information. Shoehorning. I write about this in the book, Shoehorning in meetings in China for business associates Jonathan and David Rowlands, who were also working with him, like Jeffrey Epstein. And I mean, this is just really corrupt. And I think the extraordinary thing is that this may well have been known about by lots of people, including the ambassadors. And nothing was done about it. He was allowed to behave like this.
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Tara Palmeri
Wow, it's incredible. And we only know about it because the survivors at Jeffrey Epstein pushed for the Epstein files to be released and that. And then now we know publicly about their email exchanges. Right. But we still know that 2.5 million files are still in the Justice Department's hands, allegedly being held for national security purposes or to protect the so called victims. Although we know from the first tranche that they were actually redacting the names of men, prominent men, and revealing the names of victims. So based on your reporting, do you think that there's more in the Epstein files that would incriminate Prince Andrew?
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Andrew Lownie
Yes, I suspect there is. I mean, though people feel he's been thrown to the wolves, I suspect there is more material there. And I've certainly got a lot more material which I'll be putting in a paperback, stuff I've collected since the book came out, stuff we couldn't put in for legal reasons. So I mean, it's very gratifying to see that these Epstein releases kind of back up the research I got from completely different sources. But yeah, I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. I mean, he seemed to be doing it with almost every piece of information he was given. He was finding some way of monetizing him.
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Tara Palmeri
Okay, can you share a little bit of that new reporting with us on the show.
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Andrew Lownie
Well, I mean, there's certain areas like Mongolia and Libya that people haven't really looked at that. I'll be looking at more on the relationship with Epstein. I mean, he claimed it began the late 90s. I think people have traced it back to the early 90s. I've got it back to 1985. So Epstein, when.
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Tara Palmeri
When Robert Maxwell was still alive then. Right, exactly.
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Andrew Lownie
And one of the reasons, according to one of my sources who was involved in him at this time, that she wanted to go to the States was actually to escape her father. The. The line has always been that she went to States to reinvent herself, but actually he was very controlling, so possibly abusive.
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Tara Palmeri
This is Robert Maxwell, the famed. For everyone who's tuning in and does not know about Robert. He's a media baron. Was a media baron. Mysteriously dies off the side of a yacht named after Glenn Maxwell. His daughter called the Lady Galen. Some thought that he was a intelligence source from Assad, possibly MI6 and the Russians. He. He was a media baron. He owned the New York Daily News, MTV Europe, Peregrine Press, the Mirror, like, and then he was stealing the funds from the pensioners, which may have compromised him as an intelligence source and may explain why he had another mysterious death like Jeffrey Epstein. And a lot of. There are a lot of arrows that point to the idea that he was maybe funneling money through Jeffrey Epstein. Right?
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Andrew Lownie
Yes, I think, I think they were certainly working in league and I mean, there's certainly this intelligence angle I think is one of the new errors. I mean, we now know that Epstein was a Soviet asset he was certainly introduced to. Epstein and Ghislaine were introduced through another Soviet asset, a man called Grandson of a man called Almond Hammer. So I think the whole national security element of it will be something I'll be talking about in the book. I waved on a podcast the other day, one of the American intelligence reports I've been given, dated 15th of January of this year, talking about Andrew's links to Russian intelligence and sex trafficking and money laundering rings. So there's a whole new dimension there. It's not just the financial and sexual misdemeanors. It's also this national security problem.
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Tara Palmeri
So Andrew was basically selling state secrets, or was he being honey trapped all over the world with women and then forced to give up these state secrets?
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Andrew Lownie
Yeah, he was. Well, actually in this document they say that he willingly gave up this material just because of the contacts he had, the money that was being paid and the girls that were being provided. But I do know, and I wrote about in the book that there were clearly, as you say, lots of honey traps. Everyone got him and clearly could pressure could be put on him as a result of that. And I'm just amazed that we haven't got sort of sex tapes of Andrew, you know, appearing all over the Internet.
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Tara Palmeri
That's true. Maybe they're still holding it over him, whatever's left in his head.
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Andrew Lownie
I'm not sure he can do much for them now. So who knows, Right?
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Tara Palmeri
Were you surprised to see your reporting about Melania Trump verified? I mean, I don't want to go so far as to say the word verified, because these are 302. They're tips that are called into the FBI. But I did notice that there was at least one that was almost the identical story that you've told in your book that was taken out of the book by the publisher, not because of a lawsuit, but just out of concern of a future lawsuit from Melania and Donald Trump because of how litigious they've been in any connection to be drawn in any connection to Jeffrey Epstein. And essentially the original, the first edition, you could say, of your book, no longer in the book bestseller, by the way. Everyone go out and get it, if you can actually get your hands on it, said that it was Epstein that first was with Melania before Donald Trump, and he actually introduced Melania to Donald Trump, who then had sex with her on Epstein's plane.
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Andrew Lownie
Yeah, I mean, it came from a very good source. I mean, who's been reliable and everything else. So I did believe it. As you say, the publishers were just frightened of a lawsuit from Trump. I think it was just prudence. I mean, they felt it wasn't worth
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Tara Palmeri
the hassle and they deny it, obviously. Right.
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Andrew Lownie
I was annoyed because the statement that they put out and I had to go along with what they wanted was they said it was unverifiable, which rather undermined my credibility. And it's been used against me a lot in social media. I think very unfairly. They've two lines were taken out just to avoid this lawfare and 140,000 words dismissed as a result of that. But there have been a lot of those sort of attacks on the book, concentrated attacks by people who clearly don't like some of the stuff that I found.
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Tara Palmeri
Right. I want to go back to something you mentioned, though, and I maybe just passed over it a little too quickly. But the fact that you said that Andrew was a possible Russian asset and that Epstein was a Russian asset as well. Can you sort of like explain that a little bit more for the listeners.
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Andrew Lownie
Yeah, sure. I mean everyone has said that Epstein was working for Israeli intelligence. I think probably he was. I mean he was probably. I don't think he was an agent, but he was an asset. That is someone that they used, they fed information to, they tasked and he fed information back to them. And that doesn't preclude him also working for others. He could have worked for the CIA, for example, and passing off tips, introducing
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Tara Palmeri
people, opening doors kind of stuff.
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Andrew Lownie
Right, exactly. He was a fixer. He, you know, he traded as say in information and in contacts and you know, any intelligence agency, particularly someone dealing with such high profile people, would have, would have at the very least debriefed him or got people close to him to get information. So the, the reports I've seen, I should have perhaps had it to hand here. But a designated, I mean is, is. I think it's headed political corruption. I actually wrote a piece about it for one of the British papers, Political corruption. Andrew Mountbatten Windsor designated a Russian case. And then it talks about the various networks, how they came across in British, British intelligence with the surveillance of other people in these networks that drew them to him. One of their human sources has reported to them about Andrew and the fact say he was a willing participant in these, these networks often involved also with, in Azerbaijan. I mean of course Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan were very much under the control of the KGB and fsb. So yeah, it, it does seem an error to which I'm exploring and adding to for the book the. I think because there was so little scrutiny of the Royals, I could see that this was a vulnerability into the British establishment which was then exploited by Chinese and Russian intelligence. But I, I do think I had lunch two days ago with an MI6 officer specializing in Russia and he said that that that is the new big story that the, the national intelligence and the Russian links.
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Tara Palmeri
And do you think the British government knew about it all along?
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Andrew Lownie
Yes, I mean this stuff was reported back, you know, including by, by, by the guy I talked to. So yes, stuff was reported back. The. Maybe they didn't put all the bits together. Maybe they chose to ignore it. Maybe they know about it and just no one has gone public. It's interesting that they're quite a leaks, few leaks now to British papers from intelligence sources pushing this line, particularly papers like the Mail. So yeah, I think that's one whole era that's going to suddenly develop.
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Tara Palmeri
It takes you back to the Royals, right. And like what did the Queen know? I mean MI6 must have said to her, or through the Prime Minister, they must have said, listen, Andrew's causing a lot of trouble.
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Andrew Lownie
Absolutely. I mean, I have stories of MI6 officers going to the Queen or the Queen's private secretary, Christopher Gite, with stories of him taking, for example, a five million dollar bribe in Kazakhstan in a suitcase and the Queen, or guy saying, look, the Queen just isn't interested in this. There's no point reporting it. But, yeah, all those reports would have gone back to the Palace. The peace protection officers would have reported on Andrew's movements. So it's inconceivable that she didn't know. I mean, she has a very. She had, as any monarch, has had, a very good intelligence service. When I did research on Traitor King, the book on Edward viii, I was amazed to see just how much surveillance there was of him. I looked at his private files in the Royal archives and George VI knew exactly what he was up to from numerous sources. So the Queen, of course, knew and she protected her son. And, you know, I think everyone's surprised that she put her family ahead of the monarchy. That wasn't the line that was pushed out, but she did. And I think the real concern now is, has Charles been protecting Andrew? He claims he wants to cooperate with law enforcement, but it's not going to look good if actually he also was involved in helping Andrew and protecting him.
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Tara Palmeri
Wow, this is incredible. What kind of damage is this going to do to the Royal Family?
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Andrew Lownie
Well, I think, you know, it can go two ways. If everyone's happy with Andrew basically being thrown to the wolves and facing charges and the. The sort of public outrage is satisfied, then they'll be fine. But I think if wider questions are asked about the complicity of other members of the Royal Family, including the King, which they can't satisfactorily answer, then I think there are problems. I mean, the BBC, who are normally pretty cautious, put a series of questions to the palace yesterday about the involvement of other members of the Royal Family and the ro. The palace refused to answer any of them.
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Tara Palmeri
Hmm, interesting, Interesting.
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Andrew Lownie
What?
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Tara Palmeri
Can they really remain so tight left? I know they're trying to protect themselves, but I want to connect if there is a connection between President Trump and Prince Andrew, you know, his response yesterday on Air Force One, talking about Thursday, by the way, to the arrest of Andrew, was sad for the royals. I'm so sad. I'm so sad. No mention of the victims. He really had a lot of people pity for them. And I have to wonder, what was President Trump's relationship with Andrew. Like, hey guys, I want to tell you about this brand that I discovered even before they became sponsors of the Tara Palmeri show. It's called Quince. And if you're seeing me wearing a silk top on the show, it is most likely from Quince because they really make elevated, quality, effortless clothing that is perfect for layering, mixing. It's helped me build a timeless wardrobe and it is cuts out the middlemen. So the prices are not that high. You are not paying for brand markup. They go to safe, ethical factories and what you get in exchange is high quality clothing with beautiful silhouettes and thoughtful details. And it's the kind of stuff that you can wear every single day. It's made to last. It's not just silk. They've got beautiful cashmere, 100% organic cotton sweaters, premium denim. I recently bought some silk pajamas. And I've got to tell you, it's really hard to get out of bed when you're wearing them. They are just so, so beautiful. And I know they'll, I'll have them forever. My recommendation for you is to refresh your wardrobe with quinn's. Go to quince.com tara t a r A for free shipping on your order and 365 days of returns. It's now available in Canada. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com Tara to get free shipping and 365 days of returns. Quince q u I n c e.com Tara we're going to take a beat for a second to hear from my partner. Chapter. Millions of seniors are on the wrong Medicare plan. And chapter makes finding the right one simple. They scan all of the plans in under 20 minutes and they find the right one for you. Saving seniors on average eleven hundred dollars. It's free. And if you're already on the right plan, they'll just tell you. And it gives you peace of mind. So for free and unbiased Medicare help, dial 305-515-5237 to speak with my trusted partner chapter or go to askchapter.org Tara
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Andrew Lownie
well, it was very close. I mean, they have the same interests. Women, money, golf. They met a lot and they used to have locker room conversations. I talked to a British official who was in the New York consulate who was present at a meeting where they actually swapped lists of Mass s and it was all very much locker room conversation. And that was again, another line that was taken out of the book. But it's, it's very well documented, you know, their relationship. I mean, Andrew was very interested in Turnberry. Andrew actually was deputed to show Epstein around when he came on one of his visits to Britain. So they were very close. But again, you know, like Trump and Epstein, he's, he's tried to distance himself from Andrew because he can see he's a bit toxic.
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Tara Palmeri
Yeah. Do you think the files will. Will reveal a closer relationship between Trump and Andrew if we ever see any more of the Epstein files?
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Andrew Lownie
Well, I think, you know, the sad thing is a lot of those Trump references have clearly either been redacted or removed and may never see them. I'm hoping that there will be other sources. I think there's other Epstein material which wasn't part of the DOJ investigations. And I don't know why some of that stuff might not be released. I mean, there have been selective leaks through, I think, Ghislaine Maxwell to Daphne Barrick and stories in the Mail here in Britain. But we may have other victims come forward, other legal depositions that get unsealed. There are a whole lot of errors where new stuff may come to light. You may find that people like Pam Bondi kind of lose their jobs and turn on the President and say, actually the president place, you know, the files are filled with stuff on him and Andrew. There's, there's a lot of. It was done in Palm beach. And so you may get witnesses there who prepare to come forward. I've certainly had people almost on a daily basis come to me now with stories about Andrew because they now feel able to do so. They have a focus. They feel. They feel less. Less afraid. I had a protection officer this morning get in touch who had always refused to talk to me. So I do think that people are beginning to feel they can talk now.
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Tara Palmeri
Yeah. Trump has said around 2000 that about Andrew. He's not pretentious, he's a lot of fun to be with. Sounds like the same things he said about Epstein. Remember, he said he's a lot of fun to be with. He likes women on the younger side. A lot to fun to be with. Code words over here. Right.
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Andrew Lownie
They could do a bit of playing together, right?
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Tara Palmeri
Exactly, exactly. Yeah. It's a. There's a lot going on right now. I mean, where do you see this investigation going next? What can we actually learn from Andrew? And I know, like in the United States, not all of our trials are in front of cameras. I'm, you know, not all. Everything is televised. I'm guessing in the UK that your trials are not televised, correct?
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Andrew Lownie
No, no, no. They'll be behind, though. The public can attend these. These trials. They can and they are reported. So, I mean, there will be clearly a lot of interest from the media when it happens, if it happens. I mean, I think, you know, having been very public about the bringing him in for questioning and the raid, I mean, very dramatic raid, and trying to sort of prevent him from escaping and all this, they must have pretty hard evidence. I think on that basis, they are likely to, I think, announce charges sooner rather than later. I mean, perhaps within the next week. It's a complicated case, so I think, you know, investigations may. May go on and so some time before we'll see a trial. But it'd be interesting also if they begin to look at some of the allegations of sex trafficking and treason that I think, you know, have been revealed by the Epstein leak. So I think we may find that he's actually indicted on several counts, completely different subjects.
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Tara Palmeri
Why do you think they didn't press charges over sex trafficking?
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Andrew Lownie
Very hard. I think, you know, to get convictions in. In sex cases, you need the witnesses. It's always one person's word against another. A lot of these girls are anonymous, vanish. Very hard to find. So. But I think it is pretty evident he. He benefited from women who were brought illegally into this country, often under duress. And so I think there's something. I mean, I think the seven police forces are looking into that aspect of the story, so as well as a national crime agency looking into the misconduct. So there is a good chance that stuff will emerge. Then there is the danger that he wants to draw in other members of the family to say, for example, they knew exactly what he was up to and didn't seem to mind. And I think for that reason, the royal family will not want to trial. And there could be a lot of very embarrassing laundry washed in public. So, you know, we are in uncharted waters in terms of what might happen.
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Tara Palmeri
Wow. And what. What could. What kind of sentence could he be looking at? Even if it's just on the most basic charges that they've brought him in and they're actually able to convict him on that.
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Andrew Lownie
Well, misconduct in public office. The li. The maximum sentence is life imprisonment.
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Tara Palmeri
Oh, wow.
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Andrew Lownie
There haven't been that many cases recently, and they tended to be only imprisoned for a short period of time. And that may be the way to deal with it. He has a pretty cushy prison only for a couple of years, and people feel, you know, he's been punished, but not punished too Too much. But I think the sex trafficking stuff clearly is much, much more serious. And I think if those charges can be stuck, then I think he, you know, he could go down for a long time.
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Tara Palmeri
You could also see a scenario in which there are more leaks. It's interesting that you mentioned that Galen is probably leaking through Ehud, Barack's wife Daphne, the former British Prime Minister. What do you think? What do you think her game plan is in that prison camp? What is she doing? What's her, what's her strategy?
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Andrew Lownie
Well, Glenn, Glenn wants, feels pretty hard done by. She's the only one who seems to have taken the rap for this. And I think she wants to get her pardon. And if she has to absolve Trump of any involvement, she will do that. I think there's a good chance Trump will pardon her at the end of his term. And I think at the moment, you know, she's not having that bad a life. It's a pretty relaxed prison, I would have thought actually given that, you know, there must be a price in her head she might be better in a high security prison. But I think she's just prepared to, well, she's just determined to get out. She clearly knows a lot more than she said and I think that must be a worry for some people. And that's why I think, you know, her life could be at risk of being suicided like so many others. Jean Luc Brunel and Epstein.
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Tara Palmeri
Suicided. That's an interesting word that you came up with.
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Andrew Lownie
And I understand that Mark Epstein is going to produce some new information shortly to stand up his feeling that, that Jeffrey was, was murdered rather than committed suicide. So, you know, there are a lot of unexplained bits to the story and, and lots of things that can go off in different directions. I mean, at one, one period, I thought the Ghislaine might be literally sunning herself on a beach in the Caribbean. And the, the authorities had just said we're moving her to another prison for her own safety, not saying where she was going.
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Tara Palmeri
Right.
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Andrew Lownie
And literally letting her escape. And that could still be a possibility.
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Tara Palmeri
Yeah. Okay, so this in our final question, because I know you have to go, but looking back now on the crown settlement with Virginia Giuffre Roberts, you know, he claimed he never met her, even though even an email now Helen Maxwell admits that they did meet. Picture was taken. He claimed that picture was possibly not real or whatever his language was, but he cast, you know, questioned about the veracity of the quest of the actual photograph. And you know, this was around the time that Virginia's lawyers had subpoenaed him and wanted him to come to the US to testify. And instead they decided to give her a historic settlement of over $10 million. Do you think now that they knew that he was guilty of the, of these crimes and even bigger crimes, and that's why they just decided, Decided to pay her?
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Andrew Lownie
Yeah, I mean, the excuse, well, you know, just the. Didn't want this to overshadow the Queen's Platinum Jubilee. Didn't really make sense. I mean, it was the lesser of the two evils. We saw how bad it was when he did give in to Newsnight. The idea of him being on the stand was something they just couldn't face. And, you know, this was hush money. You know, I didn't think anyone's had any doubts about that. And, and you don't pay £12 million and don't ask the person some questions about why you're having to pay this money. So I have no doubt that all those involved in those negotiations, and they don't need to have given money, they just could be involved in the discussions, knew exactly what their money was being put up for. And in some ways they might have got away with it. If we hadn't got, as you say, the victims insisting that these Epstein files were released, then I think Andrew would be running around Royal Lodge still. You know, my book came out in August. There was a lot of stuff in there, but that wasn't enough to trigger any sort of legal action, law enforcement action. So, you know, we have to thank the victims and the Senate because this really has been the game changer.
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Tara Palmeri
Exactly. No, you're absolutely right. And you know, Virginia is getting a lot of praise right now online for this. I know she's not actually mentioned in these charges and they don't go, they don't go near it, but in a lot of ways she really instigated the discussion about his improper relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. I think she deserves some credit for this.
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Andrew Lownie
Oh, absolutely. No, I mean, I think her publication of her book really humanizes story, really brought it home. A very, very powerful book. I know you, you knew her and have been a very important sort of witness for her, but absolutely, we Mustn't forget that. I mean, without her, without her bravery and courage, we would not be where we are now. And it's just tragic that she. She hasn't lived to see the consequences of what one actually ordinary person, but actually extraordinary person could do.
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Tara Palmeri
Yeah, that's a really beautiful way to end it. Thank you so much for your time, Andrew, and keep reporting. We need you. And I think, if anything, I know you mentioned that your book didn't have enough consequence to start a royal investigation, but what we're seeing is that so much of the great journalism that has been committed, as I like to say, over the past few decades has really been backed up by the files and by these private emails, and it's vindicated a lot of us, especially when people have said, oh, you're in conspiracy theory land, or they've cast doubt. And I mean, there's still people out there now trying to obviously question the veracity of your reports and your agenda, as if you had one, except the truth. But, like, just keep going and. Well, thank you, fan of your work.
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Andrew Lownie
You've done terrific work too, you know, and it's nice that it is all. It does all sort of come together, you know, the puzzle, but absolutely. I mean, you know, we need to give you credit for all the stuff that you've done too.
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Tara Palmeri
Oh, thank you. Yeah. Well, hopefully we get the full story one day.
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Andrew Lownie
Yeah, I hope so. But as you say, terrific. There's been some terrific citizen journalism as well. Social media has really pushed this. Substacks and podcasts.
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Tara Palmeri
I agree. I mean, I just think there are too many files. And like, even if you look at mainstream media right now, like, they're not running. Not every. A lot of the main news sites are not running, running blogs, running updates on the files in the way that you think that they would have. But you have the Internet. Sure. There's like some irresponsible journalism, in my opinion, of just like posting random tips into the FBI about cannibalism and stuff, but I don't know. Have you ever seen anything about cannibalism in your reporting? I certainly haven't.
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Andrew Lownie
I haven't. No, absolutely not.
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Tara Palmeri
Yeah, I think.
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Andrew Lownie
And also, I mean, someone was. Was doing stuff on sulfuric acid being shipped to the island, but actually thinking that was to destroy bodies. But actually someone pointed out that you use that for water purification or something. So there's often an innocent explanation for things that seem quite sensational.
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Tara Palmeri
Totally. Well, on that note, thank you, Andrew.
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Andrew Lownie
I appreciate it, as always. Talk soon.
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Tara Palmeri
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