What Epstein’s Lawyers Won’t Say About Trump Accuser Jane Doe

Summary

The Tara Palmeri Show

Episode Title: What Epstein’s Lawyers Won’t Say About Trump Accuser Jane Doe
Date: March 25, 2026
Host: Tara Palmeri
Guests: Dr. Leslie Dobson, Sarah, Amanda, Tamsen Fadal

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the latest developments in the Jeffrey Epstein case, specifically the newly released House Oversight Committee transcripts from Epstein’s long-time attorneys, Richard Kahn and Darren Indyke. The discussion dives into their evasive testimony, the murky settlement involving “Jane Doe #4” (the alleged Epstein and Trump accuser), the persistent culture of silence and intimidation around high-powered figures like Trump, and broader implications on political corruption and accountability.
The tone is lively, sometimes irreverent, with sidetracks into related scandals, conspiracies, and commentary on media, politics, and American power structures.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jane Doe #4 Settlement and Evasive Testimony

• [01:27] Tara introduces the episode, focusing first on the update about the settlement given to Jane Doe #4, who has alleged assaults by both Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump.
• [01:45] Dr. Leslie summarizes the issue: the estate’s accountant initially claimed the Trump estate settled with the victim—then backtracked. The group questions whether this was perjury, a mistake, or deliberate evasion.

  “The deposition of the accountant where he basically said that the Trump estate settled for... with this victim, and then he backtracked. It was like, okay, is this perjury? Did you make a mistake? Why does this keep happening so strange?” — Dr. Leslie [01:45]

• [13:06] Sarah clarifies that Jane Doe #4 alleged Trump tried to force oral sex on her; she bit him and was punched in the face.

  “We still don’t know if the Epstein estate has settled with her, because in that case, she alleges that President Trump shoved her head down... She bit him... then he punched her in the face.” — Sarah [13:06]

• [13:43] The group agrees that Epstein’s executor Darren Indyke needs to be put under oath again regarding a possible settlement with Jane Doe #4.

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2. Culture of Fear and Silence around Trump

• [02:01] Sarah and the panel discuss the “red line” around Trump—how everyone, even victims, is fearful of speaking out about him, sensing his power and the risks of government retribution.

  “Everyone is afraid of Trump... The lawyers know they can’t cross the President of the United States... You may feel the full force of the government against you.” — Sarah [02:01] “Even when I try to bring up Epstein [on TV], every man just sort of sits there and waits for it to be over... they want it to go away. Even if they’re not connected to Epstein, they want it to go away.” — Tara Palmeri [08:04]

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3. Gender Dynamics in Coverage & Accountability

• [09:11][09:27] Sarah points out how women are eager to learn more about Epstein’s crimes, whereas men urge her to “move on.”

  “Did anyone ever say to Bob Woodward, when are you going to move on from Watergate? ...I've never heard a woman say that to me before.” — Sarah [09:27]

• The lack of awards for Epstein reporters, compared to Watergate, is noted as a sign of societal minimization of sex crimes.
• Dr. Leslie and others highlight systemic misogyny in both the legal and media responses to Epstein.

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4. Pam Bondi’s Role & Ties to Trump and Epstein

• [16:41][17:12] Tara and Dr. Leslie dissect Pam Bondi’s behavior and political ties. Dr. Leslie even made a spreadsheet of Bondi’s connections, suggesting hypocrisy, possible grooming, and willful inaction during her tenure as Florida AG.

  “She didn't open anything against Epstein from 2011–2019. That was prime activity. She didn't open any cases.” — Dr. Leslie [16:48]

• The group speculates on Bondi’s immunity to criticism, noting hints of cult-like loyalty and references to her acting “meek” around Trump.

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5. Epstein Files, UK Pressure, and Transparency

• [48:05] Tara reveals the UK is working with the DOJ to obtain unredacted files, especially on Prince Andrew and Peter Mandelson.

  “...the DOJ is working with [the UK] to try to get more information on Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and former ambassador Peter Mandelson.” — Sarah [48:05]

• [52:01] Dr. Leslie argues for transparency:

  “Why aren't we subpoenaing the people who redacted the files?...Where are the snuff videos that Pam Bondi was talking about on a hot mic?” — Dr. Leslie [52:01]

• Acute frustration is voiced over the FBI holding onto 40 terabytes of data, with only 3% released.

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6. Conspiracies, Cover-Ups, and Epstein Death Theories

• Frequent references to conspiracy theories surround Epstein’s death, the “Palm Beach Pete” lookalike, encrypted video footage, and the nature of Epstein’s demise.

  “If he killed himself, is he actually dead? Is he Palm Beach Pete?” — Tara Palmeri [05:07] “The body had a prostate... Epsteins’s urethra was to one side... small testes... so many things that don’t line up.” — Dr. Leslie [58:40]

• [57:29] Dr. Leslie brings up Epstein’s alleged staged suicide attempt weeks prior to his death; the group notes missing surveillance footage.

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7. Broader Political & Media Commentary

• The episode includes lively takes on:
  • Political dynasties and nepo babies (i.e., Kennedys, Clintons, Obamas) [25:33]
  • Media complicity in normalizing/ignoring scandals—especially criticisms of Jimmy Kimmel for hosting “Palm Beach Pete.” [07:11]
  • Cynicism toward the possibility of reform—”the infrastructure of America is linked to things in these files.” — Dr. Leslie [10:14]
  • Speculation about potential 2024 and 2026 presidential candidates—Mark Cuban is mockingly discussed as leading some Democratic polling. [37:06]

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8. Miscellaneous Notable Moments

• [08:54] Dr. Leslie describes challenging Billy Bush about misogyny on his podcast, which he then refused to air.
• [30:51] Commentary on Trump assigning women to roles overseeing the dismantling of federal departments, then leaving them powerless.
• [55:34] Tara describes the suspicious death of Jeff Webb, founder of UCA Cheerleading and mentor to Charlie Kirk, raising conspiratorial eyebrows.
• [58:27] Discussion of Epstein’s injuries and the physical evidence not aligning with an official suicide verdict.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “Everyone is afraid of Trump...even the victims...They are afraid of his power.” — Sarah [02:01]
• “When are you gonna move on from Epstein?...Did anyone ever say to Bob Woodward, ‘when are you gonna move on from Watergate?’” — Sarah [09:27]
• “The lawyers know they cannot cross the President of the United States, that they may feel the full force of the government against them.” — Sarah [02:01]
• “Why aren’t we subpoenaing the people who redacted the files?...Where are all the videos?” — Dr. Leslie [52:01]
• “He said under oath the settlement was paid to [Jane Doe #4] and then backtracked. We need him back.” — Dr. Leslie [46:35]
• “Even when I bring up Epstein on CNN...every man just sort of sits there and waits for it to be over.” — Tara Palmeri [08:04]
• “If you settled a claim before that, or if he was [already] president, I think it’s hard to argue that it was political.” — Sarah [47:10]

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Important Timestamps

• 01:27 — Opening discussion on Jane Doe #4 settlement, legal evasions.
• 02:01 — Culture of silence and fear around Trump (lawyers and victims).
• 08:04 — Gendered responses to the Epstein story.
• 13:06 — Specifics of Jane Doe #4’s allegations and settlement ambiguity.
• 16:41–17:12 — Pam Bondi’s background and dereliction as FL AG discussed.
• 25:33 — Broader commentary on political dynasties & nepo babies.
• 46:35–47:58 — Legal details on the timing of settlements related to Trump; debate on if they are political.
• 48:05 — UK pressure for unredacted Epstein files.
• 52:01 — Frustration over redacted files and missing tapes.
• 55:34–57:18 — Suspicious deaths and conspiratorial connections.

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Tone & Style

• Chatty, irreverent, unsparing. The episode is fast-paced and heavy on inside references, gallows humor, and frank assessments of people in power—a characteristic Palmeri signature.
• Anger & Cynicism. The hosts and guests are unflinching in their critique of media, legal systems, and the political class, often expressing exasperation at the lack of progress and transparency.
• Occasional levity and asides. Segments sometimes veer to pop culture, personal anecdotes, and conspiratorial banter, keeping the tone engaging even as subject matter turns dark or complex.

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Conclusion & Final Thoughts

The episode closes with the panel reflecting on the persistent lack of transparency and accountability in the Epstein case and American politics at large. Despite a lighter, more chatty tone, there’s a recurring theme of institutional rot—powerful individuals shielded by fear, friendly media, and legal obfuscation, with victims often sidelined.

Key Takeaways:

• The mystery and cover-up around Jane Doe #4, Epstein’s settlements, and Trump’s alleged involvement remains thick, aggravated by evasive lawyer testimony.
• The broader culture of silence, legal loopholes, media complicity, and old boys' networks are painted as central to ongoing impunity.
• Grassroots attention and refusal to “move on” are presented as crucial to keeping the story alive and demanding answers.

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Transcript

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[Sarah]

Welcome back to the Tara Palmieri show. The House Oversight Committee has released the transcript from the closed door hearings with Epstein's longtime attorneys Richard Kahn and Darren Indyke. These two gentlemen claim that they didn't know what the settlements to these women were all about. Believe me, the transcripts are shocking. They also talk about Jane Doe for the woman who claimed that she was assaulted by both Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump. And as we know, their testimony has been contradictory at best. I get into all of this and more with my friends V. Spear and Leslie Dobson. Definitely check out this episode and stick, stick around with us. It's a lighter one. It's kind of a lunch. It's chatty, but we definitely get into a lot of different themes and I hope you enjoy it. It's not my typical style, but if you like it, leave a comment.

[Tara Palmeri]

All right, well, here we are. And there are more updates in the Epstein case situation. I think the thing we talked about kicking off with first is this update with the settlement that went to Jane DO number four and the potential of, like, that being a little shady. Dr. Leslie, you're nodding. Can you give us, like, the TLDR on that?

[Dr. Leslie]

Yeah, I mean, just the, the deposition of the accountant where he basically said that the Trump estate settled for. With this victim, and then he backtracked. It was like, okay, is this perjury? Did you make a mistake? Why does this keep happening so strange?

[Amanda]

Right?

[Sarah]

Yeah, yeah, it seemed like he was. You know, this is the thing I keep seeing from everyone, not just from lawyers, but from victims, too. Everyone is afraid of Trump. Right? Like, that is the. I don't. The red line, you could say. And even the victims, like, they're just, they don't feel comfortable talking about Trump. They're always like, he's great. We love him. Can he please help us? They are afraid of his power and the weight of what he could do. And I get that sense from the lawyers that they know that they cannot cross the President of the United States, that they may feel the full force of the government against them. And that is a very scary thing. It is hard to speak out right now, especially on this story, Corey. And, yeah, like, I've seen it ever since he was president, from the victims, even the way that Virginia would talk about him. He was great. He was amazing. And it was always like, she was trying really hard. Everyone else was dark and scary, but President Trump was great. And so it's like.

[Dr. Leslie]

Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

Why that is, though, Dr. Leslie, do you have a psychological evaluation of the victim mentality? Is it like, you just really want to believe so bad?

[Tamsen Fadal]

No.

[Dr. Leslie]

I mean, I. There could be this cult, like, mentality or genuine blackmail, but the two things that pop into my head are, are, one, Pam Bondi's admiration towards Trump when she was being. When she was in front of the house. And then two, the moment Clinton saw the images of him in the spa, both of those kind of looks of admiration were very similar. And so it's like this, almost like they're fangirling over things and it's. They're manipulated, I think. But maybe they have this promise, like, if we. If you see this through with me, I'm going to give you, like, $100 million. I mean, there's so much that they could gain from. From seeing this through.

[Tara Palmeri]

How are the victims sort of responding now? I've seen them, like, on Capitol Hill a couple times. Ro Khanna has obviously been leading a lot of meetings with them in the House Oversight Committee. Have you guys got to talk to anyone to see, like, do they feel like it's working or is it just, like, still just trying, like, no accountability so far, really?

[Sarah]

Yeah, I think it's like, there's, like, spurts of hope and.

[Tamsen Fadal]

Whoa.

[Sarah]

Like Prince Andrew, Peter Mandelson. We just find out that they were hiding Jane Doe for, you know, all. Like, there's, like, moments where they see Leon Black exposed and they're excited about that, but then they're kind of brought back to life remembering that we've only seen, what, like, 3% of the files and we never see the rest of them. So it's kind of like it's better than what they've had before, which is absolutely nothing for decades. But it's, it's, you know, obviously the war in Iran has really put this one on the back burner. Right.

[Tara Palmeri]

Which is also Epstein's idea. Apparently. Everything comes down to Epstein. Like we said, he may have died, which I like to play conspiracies with. If he killed himself, is he actually dead? Is he Palm Beach Pete? Do you guys know about Palm Beach?

[Dr. Leslie]

Pete.

[Sarah]

He's not.

[Dr. Leslie]

No, But Palm beach is really working this right now.

[Sarah]

Who.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm gonna pull up a picture of him. Somebody please explain Palm Beach Pete to the chat while I pull this up. It's insane.

[Sarah]

I'm so impressed that you're producing this right now and literally pulling it up. I could never do this.

[Dr. Leslie]

The adhd.

[Tara Palmeri]

It's working brilliant.

[Sarah]

I love it.

[Dr. Leslie]

Palm Beach Pete is just a guy who is run. Running around in his convertible who looks just like Epstein, but he's, like, blowing up on his own TikTok. He's making his money off this. And Right. Explicitly saying he's not Epstein. But he laughs and he smirks. He's charismatic and flirty.

[Tara Palmeri]

Why is he doing this? Who wants to be, like, mistaken for. Here he is. I'm going to put him up here. Why would you ever want to be mistaken for Jeffrey Epstein? It's the sickest, weirdest thing. Here's Palm Beach Pete.

[Sarah]

I wonder if when Epstein lived in Palm beach, they also got mistaken for each other. Tackiest house in Palm Beach. And that.

[Amanda]

How old would Epstein be now?

[Tara Palmeri]

Or is.

[Sarah]

I think he'd be like. That's a. I don't. I actually don't know Jeffrey. He was definitely, like. He was definitely arrested in his, like, late 60s.

[Tara Palmeri]

70 something.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

73.

[Dr. Leslie]

He would be 73.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

So, yeah, but we have to rephrase that. Like, how. How old is Epstein now? Because he's still alive, you know, I

[Tara Palmeri]

mean, that's how I feel. He was. And I. Yeah, we'll get into my conspiracy after this. He was interviewed on Jimmy Kimmel last night. Palm Beach Pete was on Kimmel last night. Tara knows how I feel about Jimmy Kimmel's.

[Sarah]

I. I had the same feelings about Jimmy Kimmel because he was a real. After we worked on that story about his bestie apl. Adam Perry Lang, the celebrity chef who

[Tara Palmeri]

worked on this area, who lives in Jimmy Kimmel's pool house for a period of time, and now Kimmel's having on Palm Beach Pete. Like, I just don'.

[Amanda]

Like the.

[Tara Palmeri]

You're giving me the ick, Kimmel. You're giving me the ick. At least with what you're doing.

[Sarah]

Wants to, like, make, like, Epstein into a joke or nothing burger to save his friend. Honestly.

[Tara Palmeri]

You think so? Yeah.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Because the more people know that, like, he was friends with a guy who worked for Jeffrey Epstein for so long, what is all over the flight logs? Apl. Ap L. Apl. Like, the worse it makes him look. So he's Got him. Like, he has to turn this into a joke. But I do think that there's something there.

[Tara Palmeri]

Every time I'm in a room where we are talking about Epstein and other men are around, it is the only time that men are quiet. They, like, wait for it to be over. It's something I've noticed either. Like, even when I try to, I bring it up. Every time I'm on cnn, we're talking about Epstein. I'm just going to bring it up a little bit, at least if I can. And every time, like, every man just sort of sits there and waits for it to be over. Like, they don't. They don't say anything bad. They don't agree. They just wait for it to be over. Because it's like, this Epstein expose has really exposed a lot of the bad behavior that many men have in obviously, a lesser capacity, but they're uncomfortable with it. They want it to go away. Even if they're not connected to Epstein, they want it to go away.

[Dr. Leslie]

I have to tell you, I went on Billy Bush's podcast, Hot Mics, you know, his uncle was our president, and I straight up called him a misogynist. I went at it. He won't air it.

[Tara Palmeri]

He won't air like, no, yeah, yeah, they're weenies.

[Dr. Leslie]

Yeah. They wanted to talk about Epstein. And I was like, sure. Why aren't the files out? Because of misogynistic. Like, you. Oh, you don't want to air that. Oh, okay. So you're just proving me right.

[Sarah]

You know what? You know what, like, really bothers me is I feel like everyone is like, so when are you gonna move on from Epstein? Or like, when. What else are you going to do after Epstein? And it's like, after Epstein, like, we haven't even hit the surface yet.

[Dr. Leslie]

We're just going to add to Epstein.

[Sarah]

Yeah. And did anyone ever say to Bob Woodward, when are you going to move on from Watergate? I mean, honestly, I could argue that this is maybe a bigger story than that. If not.

[Dr. Leslie]

I think it is.

[Sarah]

It is much bigger.

[Tara Palmeri]

I think so.

[Sarah]

But no one ever said to Bob Woodward or Carl Bernstein, when are you going to move on from Watergate?

[Tara Palmeri]

Right. Good point, Sarah. Good point.

[Sarah]

It's only men. I've never heard a woman say that to me before.

[Tara Palmeri]

No.

[Sarah]

Whenever I meet women, they're like, tell me everything. Whenever I meet men, they're just like, so when are you gonna move on from it? It's like, why? I don't think I should move on until, like, there's actually some until we actually know the full story. Why are there 40 terabytes that the FBI is holding on to that we haven't seen? We've only seen 300 gigs gigabytes.

[Dr. Leslie]

And also the Rothschild, like the, the banking system, the entire Amer, the entire infrastructure of America is linked to things that have been literally emailed about in these files.

[Sarah]

It.

[Dr. Leslie]

You can't let go because we are standing up above all of it. It's holding us up here. We have to figure out how to break it down and then put different people in power who have ethics and morals.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, yeah. Or at least you're too young to have been involved in this one. Amanda, as a historian, do you think that there has ever been a scandal in American history, an expose as deep and corrupt and widespread as Epstein?

[Amanda]

No, no. I mean the Epstein is international for one. Most of America's biggest scandals are for, you know, limited to our own internal screw ups, including Watergate, for which Bob got a Pulitzer, by the way. Not only was he not ever asked to let go of it, he was.

[Sarah]

Journalists have gotten Pulitzers for Epstein or Emmys or really very few prizes. I mean, Julie got one, a few prizes, but she didn't get a Pulitzer for it. Why is that? Because everybody puts it in the tabloid section, really.

[Tara Palmeri]

Right.

[Amanda]

And when it comes to this, this kind of crime specifically, we have a terrible history. I mean, I think back to like, I can't remember his name, but there was a senator during the Civil War when the, when the south, when the southern state started to secede. One of the main secessionist senators from South Carolina was a known pedophile. He had, he had raped four of his nieces and had experienced like complete political oblivion. Like, oblivion after that. He was very, very punished by society. But since he was such an effective secessionist, once the south started to secede, they put him back in the Senate to, to like speak for South Carolina as we led up to that crisis. So men will let other men get away with this sort of thing in American history if it becomes politically expedient to them personally.

[Tara Palmeri]

Wasn't the Republican speaker of the House for the longest time like a known sex criminal?

[Amanda]

Not in the, not in Congress. I think he, he was a state level speaker in Iowa,

[Dr. Leslie]

but.

[Amanda]

Yes, yes. The longest state legislature speaker in the Republican party was a lifelong.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. Pedophile. Yeah. Awful, awful person. Hasrt. That's who it was.

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Tara Palmeri]

Dennis Hassert.

[Sarah]

I don't know why everyone's cool with it. I don't, I don't get it. It's just like they. It's like sex crimes don't matter because they. And then the 302s, they're gossip. Nobody says, oh, well, actually, you have to. You know, when you testify, you perjure yourself. That is a crime. And, Martha, it's. It's the.

[Amanda]

It's the.

[Sarah]

The file that a victim. When they call the FBI and they. They call into the FBI and they testify, you know, they give a deposition. That's a 302. Which brings me back to Jane Doe 4. I mean, yeah, we still don't know if the Epstein estate has settled with her, because in that case, she alleges that President Trump shoved her head down and tried to get her to give him oral sex.

[Tara Palmeri]

This was the she bit him, right? Yeah. Story.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

And then he punched her in the face. Right?

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

We just. Why. Why is it that. I think they need to bring Darren Indyke back. That's Epstein's executor of his estate, and they need to get him under oath, and he needs to answer clearly. Did you settle with this victim in who has alleged crimes against President Trump? You settle. Period. Period.

[Tara Palmeri]

So why won't they? I think because Pamela Jo has, like, dream eyes for Trump or what happened to her. Do we know why she is the way she is? Do you know why she's like this?

[Dr. Leslie]

Yeah, I have a list. I have a list of agency reasons.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay.

[Dr. Leslie]

I do. She is.

[Tara Palmeri]

She really is a. I mean, I. So I lived in Tampa in, like, 2012 when she was sort of like. She was like the attorney General or something, and she was like, people liked her overall, socially, she did pretty well. She was like, okay, but like, I'm like, girl, what happened to you? And why do you still look so young? Like, not in a. Oh, you had a lot of work weight. But she, like, carries herself like a little girl around him. It's very gross to me.

[Sarah]

Well, I think Trump needs to be around, like, meek women. Like, he's not going to be around someone who's going to tell him he's wrong. So he needs to have women who are. Yes. Women.

[Dr. Leslie]

Or.

[Sarah]

And that's usually someone who sounds like they're on diazepam or whatever.

[Tara Palmeri]

I need a lorazepam doctor. Eighteen reasons.

[Sarah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay. Let's see. I have. I have an Excel spreadsheet.

[Sarah]

Oh, my God.

[Tara Palmeri]

Of course you do. This is the kind of pettiness that this show will be known for. Okay, I need you to come in with your documents.

[Dr. Leslie]

Here we go. Okay, let's see. So all we have all these claims against her and all these ties. So she's from Tampa. I mean, of course she's from Florida. Right?

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

So, you know, you got to look up her bio because you see a lot of ties. She hung out in the same places as all of them. Right. So maybe there. Maybe she was trafficked herself in a sense, or groomed in a sense.

[Sarah]

Right.

[Dr. Leslie]

She was admitted to the Bar 1991 in good standing. I think what we need to see now is that it's currently in good standing. Well, we need to get her license taken. Right. So people have been making reports to the bar. Okay, keep doing it, guys. Keep reporting to the bar. They will listen. She's lied under oath, so now we can use that classic. Let's see. Yeah, she had the Florida AG office where. I can't remember things were tied to Epstein during that. She wasn't convicting people during that time when she should have. I see.

[Tara Palmeri]

I have a specific time to Scientology also, which makes sense because that's all out of clear water. Is she in a cult? Is she.

[Dr. Leslie]

Do we know her religious affiliation? I don't think that's on my list yet.

[Sarah]

One though Scientology would be.

[Tara Palmeri]

Hi, Scott.

[Dr. Leslie]

I. Yeah, she. She didn't open anything against Epstein from 2011 to 2019. Yeah, that was like prime activity, prime claims against him. She didn't open any cases.

[Amanda]

Do we know what Susie Wild was up to?

[Sarah]

He technically had a non prosecution signed against him in the state. A non prosecution agreement. I'm not covering for her, but I'm just saying.

[Dr. Leslie]

Interesting.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Because that. Remember, that was a sweetheart deal. That he wouldn't be. Right.

[Tara Palmeri]

That's the sweetheart deal.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

She's also been friends with Dershowitz forever.

[Sarah]

Really?

[Dr. Leslie]

Yeah, that's. And that's in the files, too.

[Sarah]

And actually friends with Dershowitz. I don't even think.

[Dr. Leslie]

Could you imagine. And then the age difference. Right. That's a little fishy. Dershowitz and Pam Bondi been married a couple times.

[Tara Palmeri]

She and Nancy Mace can't keep a man. So I. Maybe they hate women. Or I. There's like something deeply broken with their relationship with other women.

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[Dr. Leslie]

Oh, and yeah, so Dershowitz, of course, Represented Trump during the first impeachment. But what about Pam Bondi and Qataris, where she was getting 115,000amonth?

[Sarah]

Were buying everybody. And they still are. And yet here they are, the L. The 20 of their LNG from this war in Iran after spending $260 million. And she was a lobbyist for them. Yeah, for guitar. Exactly.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

I mean, that's.

[Sarah]

Everybody's on the guitar payroll. Unfortunately, in Washington, they will be throwing a party at the Four Seasons for White House correspondence dinner. Do not go.

[Tara Palmeri]

Are they this year?

[Sarah]

They did last year, too. It's like, a thing.

[Tara Palmeri]

I just can't. I just can't. And I also. The amount of influencers that go to Dubai and are like, everywhere else sucks. Doesn't matter what country they're from. Could be uk, Canada, America, Mexico. They all go there. They're like, everything sucks. This is actually the greatest place on Earth. And then try to pretend that they're, like, super leftist while I'm like, your entire economy and all the comforts you're feeling are propped up by actual enslaved people. Like, not even an exaggeration. Genuine. Took the passport. Slave. Slave labor. Enslaved people are propping up this economy. But after they bombed the Fairmont Hotel, all of a sudden, they were really scared. They wanted all their countries to come and grab them again. And they're like, oh, my God, I need the prime minister of UK on the phone right now to send me a private jet to get me out of Dubai.

[Sarah]

Like, and leaving their dogs wrapped up on dogs polls. Yeah. It's like, the sad to me, that really upset me. They left their dogs in, like, the worst way. Just, like, wrapped up on poles.

[Dr. Leslie]

Death.

[Tara Palmeri]

Death sentence.

[Sarah]

I would go there to rescue all their dogs. For serious.

[Tara Palmeri]

We have a new mission. We have. I need to know every single person that abandoned a dog in their life.

[Sarah]

Gofundme. I'll go to Dubai. Actually, I'm kind of afraid to go right now.

[Amanda]

I'm not gonna lie.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, you went one time.

[Sarah]

Did you guys bring you back?

[Tara Palmeri]

Cop 28 they tried to get me to go. I was like, I. No, I cannot be doing this.

[Amanda]

Would they let you back in?

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't think so. I think at this point, me and Tara are screwed. They're like, get those Epstein girlies out of here. They'd be talking too much. They'd be reading too much. Can't be having this.

[Dr. Leslie]

We should be checking, like, every day to see if our passports are working.

[Tara Palmeri]

We just stopped all my travel. Tara's going to Italy. For me because I'm so scared. Get you a friend who sends you to Italy for that.

[Sarah]

Thank you for that. I'm appreciate, I'm really looking forward to that trip.

[Tara Palmeri]

I know I was like, I'm too afraid to fly right now and like I can't be out of the country. I just, I need to be doing these lives every day. Will you please go to Italy fully paid for me for four days and

[Sarah]

you're being really good wife. Okay.

[Tara Palmeri]

I am where we have a good we. I have to be here in Rochester. I just drove to Indiana because I'm not messing with the airlines right now.

[Sarah]

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[Tara Palmeri]

I'm not trying to be a problem where there already are problems. You know, you're.

[Dr. Leslie]

Oh, I saw you dancing. I saw your dance.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, I drove seven hours to and from Indiana for my gig at Purdue in Fort Wayne and got to say like, I've never been to Fort Wayne in my life. Those people are good people out there. I had a great time. The was incredible. Everybody was like so eager to learn and interesting and like their students gave me great questions and we had a lot of fun and then I drove back and now we're like, boom, done. No more travel at all. I just don't want to be involved, you know?

[Sarah]

Yeah, yeah, I get it. And also tsa, do you want to hang out with them in the airport? I mean, sorry, Ice tsa. Poor tsa. I want to like every time I see them come to work, I'm like, thank you.

[Tara Palmeri]

You, I know.

[Sarah]

God bless you for coming to work without getting paid.

[Dr. Leslie]

Well, Trump just said he he's thinking about sending in the National Guard to the airports now.

[Tara Palmeri]

Great to waste money.

[Sarah]

Are they Gonna, like, frisk us or something?

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't.

[Amanda]

No, no, it was. It was because Landry in Louisiana asked if.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, well, it's Linda from Arizona that had the idea to put ice at the airports. You know about this? We've talked about this a couple days now. It never gets old to me. Linda from Arizona called into a conservative podcast called, like, the Carl Trucker and Somebody Else Bucky Loser Podcast. And then Carl, one of the podcasts, and she was like, hi, this is Linda from Arizona, and what I think Donald Trump should do is send in ICE to act as the TSA agents. And these conservative podcasters were like, yeah, man, that's a great idea. And then one of them went on Hannity that night, that Friday night, and was like, you know what we heard on the show today? We should send ice. And Saturday morning, Donald Trump wakes up and is like, I have had a dream, like Joseph in the Bible, we are going to put ice in the airports. And they're like, who came up with this idea? There's no plan. They have no sop. There's no training for them. They had no idea who they were going to send, what they were going to do. He was like, yeah, no, it's my idea. And he was like, whose idea was it? Mine. It was entirely mine. It was totally my idea. And when he says stuff like that, I'm like, it wasn't your idea on Fox News. So, Linda from Arizona, thanks for your great feedback. I'm. I was saying yesterday, I'm going to

[Dr. Leslie]

start pretending to hold this up in front of the camera.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yes, the Much More Dangerous Case of Donald Trump. Correct.

[Dr. Leslie]

Everybody read this.

[Tara Palmeri]

Conservative calling into podcasts with ideas.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

By the way, like, I've been watching the Great on Hulu because I had to get Hulu to watch Love Story, obviously. And I was like, you know what? I might as well use this Hulu Monthly membership that I'll probably cancel. Sorry, Hulu, if they are sponsor. But the Great is about Catherine the Great and, like, the dysfunction of the Russian core. And, like, every part of it just reminds me of what we're going through right now. And it's just like, I actually recommend everyone watch it. It just. I'm like. And there was a coup involved.

[Tara Palmeri]

I mean, Natalie watched that and found it very interesting. I haven't watched Love Story yet because I'm, like, really sick of the Kennedys right now, and I feel like I can't be bothered. I have to wait until a New York 12 election is over. And RFK Jr is removed from office and then maybe I could like find some romance for the Kennedy family.

[Amanda]

Why?

[Sarah]

Are you sick of them? I'm curious.

[Tara Palmeri]

I just, I'm sick of political dynasty families, honestly. And like, I understand that there are Nepo babies that can't do anything else. But like, I think as far as political Nepo babies go, Chelsea Clinton does a pretty good job of managing herself and I have great respect for her. Like, she did go get educated and did her own thing and like, sure she does Clinton Global Initiative and different stuff, but she is not annoying and she does not like, do you know who my father is anymore? Like, so I, I don't know. I'm a lot at the restaurant, so I feel like I know her well, but I can't with the Kennedys right now because Camelot was a lie. Right. And this idea of like what Camelot left behind is a little bit of how we got Trump in some ways. This idea that there are families in America that are most American or more American or should be given greater deference because of XYZ thing and I'm like sick of it. And I just, I don't think Jack is a serious candidate. And I, like, I'm probably going to get killed for this for saying this online. I thought Jack was really fun when he was the DNC correspondent for Vogue. I thought that was a great job for him. He was, he was so funny and like, that's the levity I would want from like a Kennedy right now. I don't know that he needs to do this to reclaim his family name. I'm like, no, if you run for office, you should be doing it to represent those constituents needs. And I'm not sure that people get that.

[Sarah]

You know, he's like a white hot

[Amanda]

Venn diagram of people who should not be running for Congress. Like Nepo babies and influencers. You don't, you don't have to, you

[Tara Palmeri]

don't have to do a suffering job.

[Sarah]

Stop.

[Dr. Leslie]

Do we have influencers running? I haven't even seen. Are there any good ones?

[Tara Palmeri]

There's a couple.

[Dr. Leslie]

There's.

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, Spencer Pratt is running. Somebody in here says, I don't know. I think the Obama's children are pretty awesome. And you know what's so funny? They're so awesome they don't even occur to me as political necklababy children because they mind their own business so.

[Amanda]

Well, these kids are cool. Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, Christine was pushing around Dianne Feinstein for quite a while.

[Amanda]

No, that's true.

[Sarah]

Christine wanted to run her.

[Tara Palmeri]

She wanted to run.

[Sarah]

Yeah. I didn't hear that. Three of Colossus kids. Yeah. So what about George Conway? Do you like him? I'm interviewing him tomorrow, so I'm curious to hear what you think. I think he'd be so good on the stand, like, in House oversight, like, grilling someone. He's such a good lawyer.

[Tara Palmeri]

He's a great lawyer. I'm not. You know how I feel about the flippers. Like, I think you were way too involved with the Republican Party for so long that this feels a little Michael Cohen to me, a little opportunistic move over here, because I got cut out over there, and I don't know that it is. And I think George Conway is certainly less damaging than Michael Cohen is. And I like Claudia Conway. I think Claudia's really smart and funny, and I like her attitude. Yeah. And Kellyanne Conway and my mom had a really good conversation at the White House one time for several hours, for reasons that I will not get into today. But, no, I will. It's fine. St. Patrick's Day. And I got to take my parents to the White House in Trump's first term, when Ricky Nichetta was the social secretary, and I had no idea. Yes. Our friend. And at that point, he had been, you know, president for, like, two months, and there was, like, nothing. I didn't think anything of it. I was like, well, my dad wants to see the White House, and this will be, like, a good opportunity. We went, and I also cornered Betsy DeVos at this event to try and ask her to not cut my food program for kids, the blessings in a backpack that she was trying to cut in Michigan, and then she didn't cut it. So I think that that worked out for me. So you get the lobbyist. I am a great lobbyist. I'm a great lobbyist. I'm the greatest unpaid lobbyist on all of the Hill because I, like, genuinely care about this, and then I'll, like, find a way to make you care about it, too. But, yeah, maybe in my next life, I'll make money. I don't know.

[Sarah]

You could work for Cutter.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, I bet they would. No, I have too much rage for that. I. I'm like, I can't. I can't.

[Amanda]

They could use new PR right now.

[Tara Palmeri]

Dude, I'm a gay. I can't. I can't. I can't. Maybe I just can't. Yeah, I know. I went up to Betsy DeVos at the White House St. Patrick's Day thing, and I swear to God, you've never seen Anybody so scared to see me coming. And this is before I was just working in food, and I was like, look, I'm not. This isn't a trick. You're not getting pumped. I'm not from, like, MTV News. I have a. I have a genuine question. I'm also just a guest here. Like, I just want to just tell you about this program that I run for kids in Michigan, in Detroit, and I really. And it's possible that you might be considering cutting this as part of, like, Department of Education stuff or not allowing it. And I just wish that you wouldn't. And she was like, okay. And then we took a picture. So I had evidence that we met.

[Sarah]

What is she doing now? She has to break down her own department. That's sad.

[Tara Palmeri]

Who the hell knows what she's doing? Betsy DeVos, her father, Amway.

[Amanda]

That's the Amway family.

[Dr. Leslie]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Yeah. So isn't it weird when, like, Department of Education, Trump's like, dismantle it and then be away, Voice of America. He tells Kerry Lake, dismantle it. Then you have no job. Oh, that's Linda McMahon, who's at the Department of Education. And now these women are like, I don't have any influence. Isn't it weird that Trump gave the women the jobs of destroying their departments and giving them zero power by women?

[Dr. Leslie]

He's got female shields.

[Tara Palmeri]

I know. People are saying there's too many Republicans, former Republicans on Ms. Now they want to know what we think about Kinzinger.

[Sarah]

I mean, I don't know.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't think that.

[Sarah]

Weird.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. I don't think about him, really.

[Sarah]

I know.

[Amanda]

I like Kenzinger, like, as a person.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay.

[Amanda]

Well, I don't know what his future is.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

But he's a. He's a cool. He's a chill guy. We'll take it. One of. One of the last kind of normal. He was like, the last boat out of Saigon, you know, or the last chopper out of Saigon. The last Republican standing from an air. A bygone era of conservative politics. And I appreciate his vocalness about it. I don't know that I don't think he should run for anything again.

[Dr. Leslie]

But I appreciate that he has experience so that he was actually in the military. I mean, I think we need people who actually. Maybe people who actually have worked for the government before or are lawyers.

[Sarah]

But it's good that he has their experience, because they're like, maybe they won't send us to war. They actually know what it's like there. But then again, you see.

[Tara Palmeri]

And he's, like, more a disgraced major who was in the National Guard, which I have great respect for. Nothing against the National Guard, but he was a disgraced major who kept volunteering to try and go to war, and they wouldn't let him because he didn't pass, like, the psych, and now he's in charge of everything. So, yeah.

[Sarah]

Oh, the guy didn't pass the site. That's great.

[Dr. Leslie]

I would love his psych analysis. Does anyone have it?

[Tara Palmeri]

I bet we could find it. We need his DD214. Folks want to know why we. Why? Some people say it's Qatar and other people say Qatar.

[Sarah]

It's Qatar.

[Tara Palmeri]

It's actually Qatar.

[Dr. Leslie]

I just say it wrong.

[Tara Palmeri]

It's Qatar.

[Dr. Leslie]

It's Iran. Not Iran.

[Tara Palmeri]

We all say, well, Iran. I'll say. But, yeah, it's Qatar. To me, it's not Qatari.

[Sarah]

Like, what did. What did they say? Iraq. That was Iraq.

[Tara Palmeri]

Iraq.

[Sarah]

Iraq.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, you're right.

[Sarah]

It's Iraq.

[Tara Palmeri]

They were the worst.

[Amanda]

Just the word W said Iraq. No, he said Iraq.

[Tara Palmeri]

Iraq.

[Sarah]

Oh.

[Tara Palmeri]

People want to know why I don't like Gavin Newsom.

[Sarah]

Well, I don't. I can start there, but you first.

[Tara Palmeri]

No, you go ahead.

[Dr. Leslie]

Hey, this is my state. This is my state, guys.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay.

[Amanda]

Wait.

[Tara Palmeri]

Dr. Leslie first.

[Sarah]

Are you happy now?

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

I will never leave California. But I genuinely. And I know Tara will. We might disagree, but I, like, I genuinely think Eric Swalwell should be in California. And I. I know.

[Sarah]

I know.

[Dr. Leslie]

And I.

[Amanda]

The problem is holding your face.

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, okay.

[Dr. Leslie]

The problem with Newsom. The problem with Newsom, I think, is that he is going to make people more maga. If he runs. Like, they're just going to be like, oh, I was. I was kind of in the middle. But this. I'm going now. And that. That scares me because he's so charismatic and charming and is so anti maga,

[Sarah]

but I don't think that it's, like, charming to South Carolina. That's the thing. I don't think Newsom translates into, like, flyover state appeal. I don't think he is a. I don't think he's Iowa charming. I think he's coastal elite charming. He's kind of like a used car salesman who's going to F your wife. Oh, wait, he did that to his best friend. Friend. You know, and then also just like, case study, if I was Republican, I'd be like, case study Florida. I'm sorry. Case study California. Go. What have you done? How's it going?

[Tara Palmeri]

We're building. Are we Building a train.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Whatever happened to the trains? Whatever.

[Dr. Leslie]

Building a train.

[Sarah]

When is that happening?

[Tara Palmeri]

Losi's train to LA did not happen.

[Dr. Leslie]

We're building something now where you could have just walked, but I'm not sure.

[Sarah]

Like, I love California. It is the most beautiful place on in America. It is gorgeous. The vistas, the mountains. There's nowhere more beautiful. But it is so dysfunctional. Yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

I mean I. It was $125 fill up my. My tank, my V6 tank.

[Sarah]

Like, I hate to say it, but DeSantis is like actually better at running a state that is hard to say.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh my God, Ms. Miami all of a sudden. Love in Florida. Yeah. We can't have Newsom be the president because like Maureen says he's already got a nickname from Trump so it'll give MAGA something to rally against. It's their common enemy. It's their favorite adversary. Like he's.

[Sarah]

Who cares?

[Dr. Leslie]

He is the president. Trump said he was the president.

[Sarah]

I think Trump wants him to be the guy. He wants to run against him.

[Tara Palmeri]

Sure. You know what I mean?

[Sarah]

I think that.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't know. The kids clavicular said that JD Vance is. Is subhuman and Gavin Newsom Boggs. So I don't know if we're. If we're going to have to try and get the Gen Z male vote. It might have to be Newsom. I think that a Westmore John Ossoff ticket would slap so hard. That's my fantasy ticket.

[Amanda]

West doesn't want to.

[Sarah]

Yeah, they need.

[Tara Palmeri]

I know he doesn't want to, which is why he should be the leader. He's the best.

[Sarah]

You know what? The Democrats needed a good Southern Democrat.

[Amanda]

It's Bashir.

[Tara Palmeri]

Bashir.

[Sarah]

It's Bashir. I. I don't. Is he test like I don't know his background well enough.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Blue state governor of a red state. He's very progressive in a sneaky way.

[Tara Palmeri]

I like putting this on the screen.

[Sarah]

I'm skeptical of both sides always. I can't like.

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, you're a journalist. You're supposed to.

[Sarah]

I know. I'm just like, oh, you're in a there. But it's too early right now. I'd like to see like a dark horse, like an Obama who you didn't see coming. You know, just come out of nowhere some really.

[Dr. Leslie]

I mean, are we. Isn't he. Isn't Trump planning a coup? So like we won't even get to this. It's like not even need to talk about this?

[Amanda]

No, he's not that's something that Steve Bannon made up to troll us and sell hats. That's not.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

Are we going to get to November? I. I'm a little concerned there.

[Sarah]

Bannon definitely planning a coup for sure, because he's bored and he. All he's doing.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, he's definitely so much fun the first time.

[Amanda]

He's scared. I think he's scared.

[Sarah]

Yeah, definitely. So he's definitely planning a coup. But I have a friend of mine does polling at, like, the highest levels. I can't say who, because these are private polls. And he found that the number one Democrat right now is Mark Cuban, Who.

[Dr. Leslie]

Who answered that.

[Amanda]

And.

[Tara Palmeri]

And the crowd just stops in their tracks.

[Dr. Leslie]

That's like a secret.

[Sarah]

He pulls for president. So this is how. At the level he pulls at, and. Yeah. Okay, Mark Cuban.

[Amanda]

How do you guys feel?

[Dr. Leslie]

Like another. Another celebrity.

[Amanda]

I will do everything in my influence to not. To make that not happen.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

Oh, really?

[Amanda]

Yeah. I can't look at what's happening after two terms of someone with no governing experience. Right? Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

[Tara Palmeri]

We need, like, a boring, regular person back. You know what I need?

[Dr. Leslie]

Is he gonna pay that. Like, pay America. Can he pay us if he does that?

[Tara Palmeri]

He does pay his taxes, which is good. I interviewed him about that, and he, like. He's like, I pay taxes. The bar is on the floor. That's what I mean.

[Dr. Leslie]

Every time. Every time the government shuts down, Cuban could come in and, like, pay TSA and, you know, pay for food stamps. Will they all do Elon?

[Tara Palmeri]

Let's have Elon, then. Let's. Let's. Oh, gosh, no. I. Okay. Mark Cuban as president made us all, like, genuinely stop. You would have thought the screen froze. But I get it. He is. He has sort of, like, been a Democratic surrogate for so long, and he does have kind of, like, FU money, where he doesn't care. His ego is not based on likability. So, like, Mark Cuban as a construct. I understand, but it's like, why not JB Pritzker then if you just want a billionaire? At least he's got governing experience and he's on the zemp now. At least it looks to me like he might be on a little low zempic, which I wish he wasn't, because I liked him when he was just being himself. But he's, like, getting so skinny now because he's obviously gearing up.

[Amanda]

It's because Cuban has podcast bro appeal that, like, actual politicians don't have.

[Dr. Leslie]

Look at, like, Thomas Massie. Like, he's he's kind of gotten hot. And as he's gotten more fame with this and not. I mean, that's a low bar for hot.

[Tara Palmeri]

He's maybe Scott gay friends now. You start doing his hair and we give you a little nice haircut, A little nice do a little something.

[Amanda]

Little five o' clock shadow.

[Tara Palmeri]

You've seen Pam Bondi's extensions in her highlights. The gays are not for.

[Dr. Leslie]

For her.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay. She can't get her hair done anywhere.

[Amanda]

It's awful.

[Dr. Leslie]

The flip.

[Sarah]

The flip, Yeah. J also doesn't pay his taxes, though. He wants like. Yeah, I think he took toilets out of one of his houses to not pay taxes on it.

[Dr. Leslie]

Can you do that?

[Sarah]

Yeah, you can. You should Google it.

[Amanda]

Toilet.

[Tara Palmeri]

Taking private flights to the Middle east so that they don't have to pay taxes so they could meet the residency requirements. Like, have you heard about this? No. Oh, we're seeing a lot of private jets going in, but not a lot of people coming out because people have already left if they're going to leave, but they're going in with like a person who needs to like geo fence, spend a certain amount of time in the Middle east to avoid paying like full taxes wherever they live. And it's like incredibly dangerous. And now governments are trying to figure out, like, if they could ban private jet travel to the Middle east because they want. They're like, no, this is like incredibly dangerous.

[Dr. Leslie]

Is it just the Middle East?

[Tara Palmeri]

It was, it. It was a thing that Max Foster reported on a couple weeks ago. They were tracking PJs to me. I was like, oh, Christ, what the hell is this?

[Dr. Leslie]

Because, I mean, I could just go out in Mexico.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, well, I think maybe they're registered in Saudi Arabia, registered in Dubai or something. They have to send a. Spend a certain amount of time in that area for it to like, count for whatever they got.

[Dr. Leslie]

But hey, they're billionaires for a reason. They know how to work it.

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, I guess so they're willing to like, get bombed.

[Sarah]

They always blame their accountants for these, you know, because money. They say the accountants make money off of the money. They save you apparently at that level. Allegedly.

[Dr. Leslie]

But so I wouldn't know.

[Sarah]

I pay. I just pay a flat fee.

[Dr. Leslie]

Then the accountants.

[Tara Palmeri]

30% of everything I make goes to taxes, if not more. I mean, it's like, yeah. I was like, when do I make enough money to not pay taxes anymore? My wife was like, literally never. And I need receipts for everything. So let's, let's stop. Let's stop with that. That's not a real thing.

[Dr. Leslie]

I'm like, well, you could write off everything because you're an influencer, you know.

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, we can and we can. I think that there's a lot of, like, there's a lot of fishiness that some folks will do that I won't because I am actually genuinely afraid of prison and I just don't want to. And then I, like, will like, drive around our neighborhood and be like, oh, look, leaf pickup is here. Taxes at work. Or like, the school's got, like a new bus or something. I'm like, taxes at work. Like, I'm always trying to, like, convince myself that, like, it's totally worth it. But paying the federal taxes this year, man, did that hurt. Because you just know it's going to like, ice and war and, and Trump's war profiteering and his weird billionaire contracts. And that burns. I think that really burns.

[Sarah]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

I haven't paid yet. I haven't decided.

[Tara Palmeri]

You might just, like, be a conscientious objector to the tax. Is this, is this, is there a precedent for this in history for Americans not paying taxes to the authoritarian regime?

[Sarah]

No, no.

[Amanda]

I mean, we didn't have an income tax until the very, you know, the early 20th or the early 20th century. So I suppose in that way. And oligarchs before that, during the Gilded Age went out of their way to make sure that that didn't happen. We were mostly taxed via tariff before there was a constitutional amendment to allow a federal income tax. But there has not been like mass amounts of people, like, as a protest. That's never happened happen because the IRS has guns.

[Tara Palmeri]

They will come get you. The IRS does have guns.

[Amanda]

They have their own police.

[Sarah]

And that is funny that Trump kept

[Tara Palmeri]

saying the Gilded Age. The Gilded Age, the oligarchs and the tariffs, those are his favorite things. It's like he's got not one original thought. He's like some sort of reincarnated robber baron from like the 1870s.

[Amanda]

He says it like, that's a good thing. The Gilded Age was awful. The Gilded Age was awful.

[Dr. Leslie]

I mean, but have you ever liked, you know, been at the end of life with someone who has dementia?

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

And like, they, they think about things in the past like they are good and rose colored and they really like to go into this nostalgia stage before their life is over. So maybe it's like, maybe it's a good sign.

[Sarah]

My, my great grandfather, he went into. He kept calling me a nice Austrian woman the whole time and telling you about the battle of the bulge and D Day.

[Amanda]

That's my shit. I would be okay.

[Sarah]

He was a police officer. What?

[Tara Palmeri]

We had this. My Uncle Huey, who's my mom's uncle, lived with us. And he was like, this is going to sound terrible, but he was like a pet to us when we were kids because he. We had to, like, you know, like, my sister, especially, was very good with Uncle Hughie. I was a little bit older, so I was less Huey. He was really didn't understand. So my mom just, like, took down all the mirrors so he wouldn't know that he was old. She was like, whatever. We're going to live in his world when he's here because he's only awake a certain amount of hours during the day. And it was, like, real fun. I was a theater kid. I was like, this is outstanding. One year for Halloween, my friend came over, and he was dressed like Mary Katherine Gallagher, but he's very Italian, so he's very hairy, right? And he looked like a boy, but he was wearing, you know, this Mary Catherine Gallagher Catholic school outfit. My sister went to Catholic school, so Uncle Huey knew that there was Catholic school going on. And we were like. Didn't want to confuse them. So I was like, oh, this is my friend Mary to my Uncle Huey. And my mom's like, we're okay now. We have to stick with it. And then she leaves. She leaves. And he's like, it's so nice of you to be friends with such a homely girl. I mean, that was really sweet of you to be. You gotta love old people. Old people can be a blast. And if they have dementia in a fun way like Uncle Huey did, I mean, what are you gonna do? He thought he was young. He played soccer with us outside. He, like. I don't know. He got to be 25 forever.

[Amanda]

I guess we don't use the word only enough.

[Dr. Leslie]

We can't have Uncle Huey running the. Running the country now.

[Tara Palmeri]

Uncle Huey should not be running the country. Definitely should.

[Sarah]

I had that last time, though.

[Tara Palmeri]

It was a little bit of that.

[Dr. Leslie]

Exactly. 25th Amendment. Both for the past, what, eight years. Where is this amendment?

[Tara Palmeri]

We actually talked about it earlier, and Amanda says the amendment won't help us. It's impeachment that you're going for.

[Dr. Leslie]

The articles have been submitted, right? Oh, no.

[Tara Palmeri]

People want us to get back on track. What does the future look like? And did we talk enough about the Epstein files?

[Amanda]

Did we.

[Tara Palmeri]

Do we have anything else about the Epstein files other than that? The Jane Doe number four. That testimony is like, come out, that evidence has been found, and we're going to try to figure out if a settlement was paid to her because it connects to Donald Trump and this allegation of sexual assault. Anything else going on.

[Dr. Leslie]

And he said under oath the settlement was paid to her and then backtracked. So, okay, we, we need that. We need him back.

[Sarah]

That's what I say. Call him back in. I think it's crazy that also they claim that they had no clue about his crimes, and yet we're paying all these settlements. And they were like, well, people just, like, need settlements. You know what I mean? They're just like, this is what happens when you're rich. You got to pay settlements all the time. You didn't know what the crimes were. I mean, there were a few things that popped out to me about these because we, we just got the, the transcripts.

[Amanda]

It's.

[Sarah]

I, I don't believe them when they said that they didn't know what he was doing. I want to make sure this is right. But I believe they paid the settlement to her. He said the claims were settled 2009 to 2010, not after Epstein's death. And that is a, that is pretty, that's a big deal to know that because, you know, a lot of people say, well, can we really trust people that called into the FBI after President Trump was, you know, in office and, and testified that he had, that, that they. There was some sort of crime in connection to Epstein while he was president? It might be political, and I've thought about that, too. But if you settled a claim before that, or he was present 2009 during that period, I think it's hard to argue that it was political.

[Tara Palmeri]

Folks want to know if the UK Great Britain is getting unredacted files. That would really change things.

[Sarah]

Well, I just read in Politico that that they're working with the DOJ right now to try to get more information on Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and former ambassador to the UK Peter Mandelson. They're on it. I'm sure when they try to work with our doj, they're going to be like, wait, what?

[Dr. Leslie]

Right, but don't we have international transparency laws? I mean, we're going to break the law again, and then we can be held accountable internationally.

[Sarah]

I don't know about that. I mean, like, we are allies with them. We do have, like, the four eyes or five eyes, you know, intelligence sharing. But they might claim it's national security like they have with so many other. The files. 2.5 million of the files.

[Tara Palmeri]

I think he's going to extradite Ghislaine. I think that'll be our next thing, is that there'll be some kind of way where he's like, we're getting all the criminals out of our prisons. So we're going to send Ghis Maxwell back home to the UK and that'll be like his way of like, pseudo pardoning her for staying quiet.

[Dr. Leslie]

Oh, God.

[Sarah]

But with that, I could see them, like actually rejecting her when she lands on the tarmac.

[Dr. Leslie]

You think right now?

[Sarah]

Yeah. You don't have to accept a prisoner.

[Tara Palmeri]

True.

[Sarah]

Right.

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, I wonder if they could give her a communication. Well, yeah, you can give a commutation. I don't even want to say this out loud because he could be watching. He gets all his ideas from podcasts, but it would be commutation. Right. And then essentially taking away her American passport or citizenship and deporting her back to her home country of origin or something. I don't know. Send her to El Salvador. Isn't that the kind of stuff.

[Sarah]

I think she's an American, though.

[Tara Palmeri]

Is she fully American?

[Sarah]

I'm gonna.

[Tara Palmeri]

She was born in uk, but she got citizenship or something.

[Sarah]

American. Okay, so naturalized American. So I don't think they can do that.

[Tara Palmeri]

Boo.

[Amanda]

If she got her citizenship fraudulently, they can do naturalizer.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, well.

[Sarah]

Oh, yeah. Because if you lie on your citizenship, and that means you, if you've been charged with sexual abuse. Oh, wait, there's a story in the Guardian about this. Glenn Maxwell offers to renounce foreign citizenship in exchange for bail. Hey, guys. So these days I am all about quality over quantity, especially in my closet. Closet. And that's when I found quint. The fabrics just feel really elevated. The cuts are thoughtful and the pricing makes a lot of sense, which is why when you're watching this show on YouTube, you can see me in a lot of quint items. Silks, T shirts, cashmere linen. It's European linen, 100% silk. Organic cotton, poplin. It's lightweight, it's beautiful, it's well made, and it's from ethical factories. Really great prices because they cut out the middleman. So you're not paying for that brand markup from fancy retail stores, just quality clothing. I feel like I have gotten the best quality cashmere, linen silk, and I'm not paying for it, which is a great feeling. So right now go to quince.com tara that's T A R A for free shipping and 365 day returns. That's a full year to wear it. And if you don't love it, you just send it right back. But I know you well cuz I keep the clothes. It's now available in Canada too. So don't keep settling for clothes that don't last. Go to Q U I n c e.com Tara that's T for free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com Tara Girl, you're never getting out of prison.

[Tara Palmeri]

Also, I'm not even sure if she is in prison. I saw that video. That was not the same nose. I have a lot of conspiracies. Dr. Leslie, did you have something to add to that thing we were talking about a second ago?

[Dr. Leslie]

Oh, the uk. The UK files. The UK asking for the files. Why aren't we subpoenaing the people who redacted the files? I mean, why aren't we looking at the people who actually had eyes on before? You know, originally they had the files with the black boxes and they fucked it up. And we could take the black boxes off and then they got a little better with their PDF skills. But there. How there's like 500 people involved with that. Why aren't we asking them what they read and saw and covered up? And then where are all the videos? Where are the snuff videos that Pam Bondi was talking about on a hot mic?

[Tara Palmeri]

Right.

[Dr. Leslie]

Those aren't redacted. The UK could grab those.

[Tara Palmeri]

We only have 3%, right?

[Sarah]

Yeah, those are in the 90. Whatever percent that we haven't seen.

[Dr. Leslie]

So the UK could get a lot of potentially if they played this right.

[Tara Palmeri]

People are saying Maureen Comey knows so much.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

Where's she been? They got rid of her.

[Sarah]

They got rid of her.

[Amanda]

She's doing

[Tara Palmeri]

Go on cnn. Tell us something. I'd be scared. I mean, look at what they do.

[Sarah]

I think she's.

[Tara Palmeri]

People are dying lately, so she might not dying. Freaks me out. The Charlie Kirk, mentor, founder of Modern cheerleading, dying at a pickleball incident was just like too absurd for me. This. The founder of OnlyFans died. This is like a lot. There's a lot of weird death guys.

[Sarah]

I got some intel on that actually. So he was trying to sell OnlyFans because. Yeah, AI, apparently guys don't care if it's real or not. As we saw from AI Maga lady that everyone was like hot for Jessica Foster.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

No, she's not real.

[Tara Palmeri]

No, she's not. But her name is Officer Jessica Foster. I just had it in my propaganda presentation last night. Two nights ago.

[Sarah]

So now they're like, they basically think like real women. They're not gonna be able to do only fans anymore. Because now these AI women are so real. And you can make them do whatever weird thing you want for free or will. For fee. An AI fee, I guess. But it's porn.

[Tara Palmeri]

Wasn't dehumanizing enough. Now it's really just. Just straight violence.

[Sarah]

Yep, that's where we're going.

[Dr. Leslie]

He could buy it.

[Tara Palmeri]

I know. I'm in the cheer world. I don't believe it either. Yeah, this guy. So this guy who was the father of cheerleading. UCA Cheerleading and varsity sport is the name of it. It's like ever since they started adding more gymnastics to cheerleading in these competitions. Shorter skirts, tighter outfits, the mid drift tops, all that kind of business. In like 1999, as I recall, when my cheerleading uniform changed, I was. But I was like captain when I was younger. So I got. I would always like make us wear the warm ups instead of the skirt. That's how my mom should have known I was gay. Every time I got to pick the uniform, we're wearing the windbreakers. We are not wearing these skirts and these mid drift outfits. Okay, it's not happening. But anyway, this guy is responsible for like the sexualization and the adding gymnastics to cheerleading in the late 90s. And he was apparently a mentor to Charlie Kirk, a very far right wing supporter though. You know, they do UCA special cheerleading camps and stuff. I'm sure that there'll be a documentary on all of this soon now that this guy has died. But he slipped and fell playing pickleball and then died as a result of your injuries. Like, bro, I need like 17 more information just on that line alone.

[Sarah]

How old was he? What was his name?

[Tara Palmeri]

He wasn't that old. He was like maybe 65 or so. He was not old, let's say.

[Dr. Leslie]

How good at pickleball was he?

[Tara Palmeri]

Jeff Webb was his name also.

[Sarah]

Pickleball, you like don't really move at a very fast velocity.

[Tara Palmeri]

So I mean, I think, how could you fall and die at 76? He was 70.

[Dr. Leslie]

Maybe he dove because it's such a tiny court.

[Sarah]

He doesn't look so.

[Tara Palmeri]

Stay out of the kitchen. Stay. The kitchen is a pickleball term.

[Sarah]

New York Post dies in freak pickleball accent accident. I think it's freak. So I'm going with it.

[Amanda]

If any more people around Charlie Kirk die, I'm gonna start getting freaked out and I'm like, I'm very not a conspiracy person. But it's gonna be one more.

[Dr. Leslie]

That's What I keep saying, though, is it's no longer a conspiracy. Like, we can't. The conspiracies are now true. We can. We need a new word for conspiracy. Because, like, if you see the forest for the trees, this is all really weird.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

So it's true. A lot of it is true. And we're just needing to put the pieces together.

[Tara Palmeri]

People are saying it was a head

[Dr. Leslie]

injury, so maybe he made a brain.

[Tara Palmeri]

See, this is where I'm at. Salty. Yeah, like falling out a window in Russia. Like Peter Thiel's boyfriend who showed up to the New Year's Eve party. Wasn't show up to. Supposed to show up to. Because Peter Thiel's husband was there. And then sooner be known to the boyfriend, he fell out of Miami window. Okay. I don't know. They say it was a suicide. I don't know. It was sus. To me, there's a lot of Sussery.

[Sarah]

There is a lot of Sussery going on.

[Amanda]

Everything around Peter Thiel is sus. Especially because he's so high 100% of the time.

[Dr. Leslie]

Did you guys ever talk about Jeffrey Epstein's attempted suicide, like, three months before the. The real one?

[Tara Palmeri]

No.

[Dr. Leslie]

Yeah. Did you know that, like, he. Tara, I don't know if you know the time frame, but it was like, a few months because, you know, he was, like, working out and. But then, like, sleeping in. And there's documentation. Yeah, there's documentation. I don't know where I found it. Was it. It might have been in the actual files when I was looking, but he tried to asphyxiate himself again, and it didn't work. And people arrived and they resuscitated him.

[Sarah]

But this was in the jail, you're saying? Or was this in the jail?

[Dr. Leslie]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And wasn't in jail for three months.

[Dr. Leslie]

No, a few months prior to when he was in prison the second time, his.

[Sarah]

He claimed his cellmate tried to kill him 18 days earlier before he died.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay.

[Dr. Leslie]

So maybe that's what it is. And then they don't claim.

[Sarah]

And that. And that's exactly why I don't think he killed himself. If he was complaining that his cellmate was going to kill him.

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, killed himself because the modern mortician said that the ligature marks on a person who hangs himself go up, not back. I'm in all the. I. I don't sleep. I just read all this stuff and then you.

[Dr. Leslie]

The body had. Yeah, the body had a prostate. Epstein's urethra was to one side. The body had small Testes. There's so many things that don't line up.

[Sarah]

Oh, it does say that there was a jail suicide attempt two weeks earlier,

[Dr. Leslie]

something like that. But the cameras glitched again, guys. They don't have video footage of those moments again.

[Sarah]

And there's a blob. There's an orange blob. The blob tells.

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, that's our show for today. Do you guys have any final thoughts before we get out of here or we leave people spiraling on the conspiracies. Call a friend. Tell them what you learned on the show today. Build some community. We need to like bring back the tin can phone, like the wall phone with the long cord telling you nothing. Like holding the phone and like twirling the cord. We got to bring it back.

[Sarah]

Love it.

[Tara Palmeri]

Amanda, final thoughts,

[Dr. Leslie]

please.

[Amanda]

Go vote.

[Sarah]

Tara, trying to keep you. I'm trying to, you know, live in on the ground and you can follow the red letter and the Tara Palmieri show to parse through all this wildness.

[Tara Palmeri]

I know. And Dr. Leslie, anything to add?

[Dr. Leslie]

Stop children.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, basically. And stop supporting people.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

We'll get into the Duggars this Friday on our police crime show with Dava history in 60 and Kendra and just the IBPL church and. And just sort of these situations that are going on. Also, no Kings is this Saturday. Amanda won't be there because she is going to be out canvassing for a candidate which as other folks in the chat said earlier is the most no Kings thing you could do. If you get get out there Saturday, go to a no Kings. It really is just like good to look around and see people that still care and it. Yeah, it's good feeling. All right. Goodbye, friends. We'll be live again tomorrow 10:30 or 10 to 11:30. And it's good news only we have the comedian Dana Goldberg coming to tell us some jokes and try to lighten things up a little bit and also still talk about the headlines and probably my conspiracy theories. We'll see you later. Bye.

[Sarah]

That was another episode of the Tara Palmeri Show. Thanks so much for tuning in. I know it was a different vibe, but I hope you enjoyed it. It was a little bit longer, too. If you'd like more of that, just chat over, I don't know, lunch, let me know and we'll do a show like that. I love hearing from you. We're creating a community together. We're building this together. Of course, you can keep supporting me by going to Tara Palmeri.com and signing up for my newsletter, the Red letter. By becoming a paid subscriber, you get my exclusive reporting, you show the world that independent journalism is can work, and you support me, and that would be great. And so I want to thank my producer, Dan Schiffmacher. I want to thank Abby Baker, who also produces for me, does social media booking, Adam Stewart on the graphics and Dan Rosenberg. See you guys.

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