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Hi everyone, I'm Kai Dickens and I'm thrilled to welcome you to the Talk Tracks. In this series, we'll dive deeper into the revelations, challenges and unexpected truths from the Telepathy tapes. The goal is to explore all the threads that weave together our understanding of reality, science, spirituality, and yes, even unexplained things like psi abilities. If you haven't yet listened to the Telepathy tapes, I encourage you to start there. It lays the foundation for everything we'll be exploring in this journey will feature conversations with groundbreaking researchers, thinkers, non speakers and experiencers who illuminate the extraordinary connections that may defy explanation today, but won't for long. Until recently, I genuinely didn't realize how much my pillowcase was affecting my skin and hair. I always just kind of thought like frizz and sleep creases and waking up kind of puffy was just normal, like a liability of going to bed at night. But then I switched to a pillowcase from Blissey and within a few days I noticed my hair was way smoother When I woke up. I didn't have the same breakage or frizz I was used to and my skin just looked calmer, you know, less creased and more hydrated. And what I've recently learned is that silk is actually very different from cotton or satin. It's naturally cooling, it doesn't pull on your skin and it helps your hair retain moisture instead of drying out overnight. Blissey is also super high quality. It's 100% mulberry silk and you can feel the difference immediately. It just feels, you know, luxurious, but it's also really practical and fully machine washable and they have so many colors. It's become one of my go to gifts because it's something people don't think to buy for themselves but end up loving because you're a listener. Blissey's offering 60 nights risk free plus an additional 30% off when you shop@blissi.com tapes. That's B L I S S-Y.com tapes and use code tapes to get an additional 30% off. Your skin and hair will thank you. Do you want to look and feel your best this summer? Don't just think skin deep, think cell deep. Prolon 5 day fasting mimicking diet kickstarts your body's natural ability to renew and rejuvenate from within. I'm well versed in the health benefits of fasting, but I've never been able to get through more than a day of a water fast or juice cleanse without feeling completely on edge or disoriented or hangry. But what I personally love about Prolon is that it gives my body enough nutrients to still feel balanced and functional while getting the benefits associ with fasting. For me, that makes it way more effective because I can actually stay with it and can complete a five day fast without feeling wrecked by the end. Prolon is a plant based nutrition program featuring soups, snacks and beverages. Designed to nurse the body while keeping it in a fasting state and backed by top US medical centers, Prolon is clinically shown to stimulate the body's own process of cellular cleanup to help you reset metabolism, protect lean muscle mass and more. No matter the season when I'm craving a real reset, Prolon is the nutrition program that works for me. It's convenient, backed by Nobel winning science and it works. Ready for your own reset? For a limited time, Prolon is offering Telepathy Tapes listeners 15% off site wide plus a $40 bonus gift. When you subscribe to their five day program, just visit prolonlife.com tapes that's P R-O-L-O-N-L-I-F E.com tapes to claim your 15% discount and your bonus gift. Prolonlife.com tapes in this episode, we're diving deep into questions around time. What is it? Is it linear? Is it all happening at once? During the first season of the Telepathy Tapes, I was shocked when I was told that time does not unfold in a straight line and instead it's best to think of it as spherical. And even now I still don't totally know what that means. But we'll be exploring this all together. We'll be speaking with neuroscientist Dr. Julia Mossbridge and psychotherapist Dr. Mike Sapiro to unpack time and even time travel, what it means, if it's possible, and if it might be possible to even heal ourselves through it. The first time I collided into something similar to time travel or remote viewing through time was through an incredible story I heard from Maria, a teacher to many non speakers that you met in season one of the Telepathy Tapes.
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I've had a couple of situations come up in the clinic recently that have made me really think about time travel and the potential for remote viewing at different times.
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She described the moment that Ryan, one of her non speaking students, received information from a 13th century monk by remote viewing through time.
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I had a student who was working on a lesson with me about Benedictine art and he commented before we Started. He said, it aphorizes the Catholic Church. So I said, I don't really know that word. I don't know if you misspelled or if it's a word. I don't know. So I asked his mom, who always said on the sessions if she minded looking up the word, and she did. She commented that the word ephoris does mean to have an influence or an impact on something and that it was dropped from the vernacular in the 1600s, so it's not used anymore. And when I asked the student how he had gotten the information, he responded that he had thought shared with a magistrate from 1345. So that made me curious about can you thought share with both people that are in the physical realm or possibly those also in the spirit world? And I also wondered, can you actually go back in time to have these types of conversations?
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This story is so remarkable that I asked to hear it from another witness, this time Ryan's mother. Like many parents, she was in the room with Maria and Ryan during their spelling session.
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Ryan spelled out it ephra sizes the Catholics. And Maria and I were like, aphrosize. So I googled it, and it is indeed a word. But it says like, its last known recording was in the 1600s or something like that. And Maria says, well, what does that mean? And Ryan spelled ephra sizes tells us how the Benedictine art was so influential. And then when we said to Ryan, where did you hear this word? How did you know this word? And he said, I thought shared with the Catholic magistrate in 1345.
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What?
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I was just.
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How did he do it?
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Did he say he thought shared? He said, so he thought shared with a Catholic magistrate, I guess, in 1345. So maybe they're time traveling too. I don't know.
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Gosh, it's so weird because this is like mediumship, where they're thought sharing with someone who's gone. Or is it. Yeah, going back in time?
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I mean, I'm not even totally familiar what a magistrate is. I mean, that's not a word I use every day.
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Teacher Maria was also on the zoom call.
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It's like a judge or a lawyer. I'm Googling. And I googled the word to see if anything would come up. I literally had to be so specific and go down a rabbit hole to even find this word. So I. Yeah, pretty confident that he picked it up somewhere, whether it's a communal consciousness or whether he actually traveled back and was able to thought share with this person.
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And he spelled it two separate times. So it's not like it was a misspell. That was the one thing I'm like, what did he misspell? And I'm like, is that a word? And he spelled it again and we're
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like, wow, what's the word again? What does it mean?
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Ephra, size, E, P, H, O, R I, Z, E, E, E S is an esoteric word that means having absolute control over something. So that's what he was saying is Benedictine art emphasizes the Catholics and it
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stopped being used in our language in the 1600s.
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Well, it hasn't been used since the 1600s or.
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And then I went back to see if, if there were actually magistrates in 1345 and what I found was there were, but they were in Rome.
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Ryan wasn't the only student in Maria's classroom who spelled some interesting things about remote viewing through time. And in case you're new to this show and feeling a bit lost, remote viewing is when you gain information about a distant or unseen target using only your mind. And in the first Talk Tracks episode, Maria and her new classroom assistant Dan talked about how a student seemingly remote viewed their lunch by going back in time to see what they ate.
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We went to lunch that day and gone out and this student was able to let us know where we were, where we went, and he also shared what we both had for lunch. And the question I had for him was, well, how were you able to get that information? And he said he had remote viewed. And then my follow up question to that was, well, if you remote viewed, how would you know when to remote view? You didn't know where we were or what time we went to which he responded, I went back in time and it's easy remote viewing when you go back in time. He has shared with me before that he could remote view. So I had asked him if he would prefer to remote view. The question is to him rather than me say it would it be easier for him? To which he responded that remote viewing takes quite a bit of energy.
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If you've been listening to the stories on the telepathy tapes and the talk tracks, you've met many non speakers who say they prefer to be asked questions via telepathy instead of with spoken language. So Maria asked her student if he would prefer to remote view academic questions instead of being asked them out loud. And this tracks with this reasoning. But the student made an important distinction though. For this student, telepathic communication is described as effortless and often preferred. He said remote viewing takes more energy and is more difficult.
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He wanted to keep it the way we were working with me, presenting things out loud. So I'm curious if any scientists can help me understand what's happening and how this actually happened and what's the science behind it.
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Which brings us to Dr. Julia Mossbridge, a visionary scientist, author and expert in the science of consciousness and time perception. She's the Chief science Officer at the Applied Love Labs and a senior Distinguished Fellow at the center for AI, Mind and Society at Florida Atlantic University. Julia's groundbreaking work explains explores the intersection of science, intuition and human potential, particularly focusing on precognition, knowing that something's going to happen before it does, and the nature of time.
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I'm Dr. Julia Mossbridge. I am a cognitive neuroscientist. That's what my training was in, also in experimental psychology. And I've really been focusing on exceptional experiences or what we call exceptional human performance. So what allows people to perform better than average in all sorts of areas?
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One of the ways that we started this episode was with this perplexing thing. I think it's one of the first times you, I think, had engaged with a non speaker.
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Yeah.
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And I've. I always get nervous and excited the first time any new person is being let into, you know, like here's the door to meet this family or this parent or this teacher or whatever. And you had an incredible experience which to me was fascinating because it really made me wonder about time travel or. And what is it?
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Is this the upper eyes thing?
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Yes.
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When people get freaked out with these kind of time displacement things or information that comes from somewhere or feels like it comes from somewhere else in time. When I say people get freaked out, I mean like Maria and Ryan's mom. I don't mean Ryan. I think Ryan is doing that all the time because I think non speaking autistic people and non speakers maybe, generally, because speech is so time packed of a tool, it's like absolutely based in time and helps organize things in time. Moving forward in a line. When you don't have that as your reliable form of communication, your mind may actually open up to a much looser boundary to be able to explore information across time.
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That's so fascinating to me. And with that story, I mean, do you think he was just talking to someone like in a mediumship way, or do you think that he was slipping through a timeline in some way? Remote viewing over time. Because some of the non speakers in Chicago have said they could do that. Yeah, that's like an option.
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Yeah. Some of the non speakers in Chicago talk about remote viewing over Time remote viewing itself is usually thought of differently than they're using it. It's kind of this technical capacity that you use a paper and pen for whatever. But it's certainly within the scope of remote viewing to look at information across time in the past, in the future, or across space somewhere distant from where you are. And so that seems reasonable. We know that I've been working on remote viewing for years by working on, I mean not only learning how to do it myself and teaching it, but also more importantly scientifically analyzing the results of remote viewing. And it's very clear that when people are feeling more loving, they seem to have more access to information over time. Time. And so I did two studies about remote viewing, about future events. So you can't get the information until the future happens because the information's not there until the future happens. So we randomly select like a picture to show people so that people have to describe it before the picture is even selected. And people are statistically significantly better at that, at predicting the future accurately when they're feeling unconditional love. Now these non speakers generally seem to be in a place not all the time, but often, much more often than neurotypicals in a place of unconditional love. This is a right hemisphere sort of self transcendent kind of experience. And so I'm not surprised that they talk about remote viewing across time. They're very desperate in fact to talk about different timelines and to point out to you Kai, specifically they've said like tell Chi we remote view in time or tell Chi that we do time travel because their point of view view is very different than ours when it comes to time. So this is by Naoki Higashida, a Japanese non speaker from the book called the Reason I Jump Because I have Autism. I know all about time and I feel it myself. Believe me, this is scary stuff. We're anxious about what kind of condition we'll be in at a future point and what problems will trigger. People who have effortless control over themselves and their bodies never really experience this fear. For us, one second is infinitely long, yet 24 hours can hurtle by in a flash. Time can only be fixed in our memories in the form of visual scenes. For this reason, there's not a lot of difference between 1 second and 24 hours. Exactly what the next moment has in store for us never stops being a big, big worry. He's talking about time and how it feels different to autistic people. And I think he's specifically speaking about right hemispheric autistic people, non speakers. So this makes sense to me because if you really have the level of apraxia that all of these students that I'm learning about have, you would not be able to plan for the future, frankly. And a big part of the brain is planning for the future. The brain is almost. There's this book called the Brain is a Time Machine by Dean Wanomono. And it's this idea that the brain is all about predicting the future. And then when you have an error, you weren't able to predict the future, you say, okay, I was wrong. How could I correct that? Well, these students can never. They're always getting errors. They're always unable to predict the future because they can't control their bodies. And so their future is going to feel different no matter what. What does that mean? That means their whole sense of time feels different because now their past is going to feel different too, because the future becomes the past. And so what we're seeing is that when your time works that way, you may have access to information that other people really would like to have but don't have, or could only get through going into trance states or going into remote viewing, but you have access to it all the time. And you may have access to different timelines where other things are happening. And it can be very hard to focus non speakers on the here and now because. What do you mean, the here and now? How would I locate that?
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Yeah, that is fascinating. Okay, so given, like so much of the research you've done, what do you think is the most compelling evidence that the mind can gather information from the future?
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So there's five decades of excellent evidence that the mind can gather information that's accurate about the future. It doesn't mean it's always right, but it does mean that you can show statistically that it's right. There's so much evidence already by 1995 that when Congress hired a statistician to look at some of the work the intelligence community, the CIA, and the DIA had done on precognition, the statisticians who were supposed to kind of find fault with it couldn't and ended up saying, well, the one thing we know is that precognition is real and it's statistically significant. And the two examples that I think are most replicable of this are something called presentiment, which is physiological detection of what happens in the future. What does that mean? It means your body responding before something happens. That's important. So I think about this, the metaphor I use for presentiment is like if you put your finger in the faucet and the water's rushing around your finger and it goes down below your finger, you'll see there's a big hole, right? There's no water there because your finger's there. But above your finger, you'll notice there's a little bubble. And that little bubble is like a little indicator if time is going down the drain. It's a little indicator there's something coming, there's something in the way. It's just like a little fold in the space time fabric. And so you're picking up on this little fold with your body. And that's highly statistically significant. And I've done a meta analysis on that that then was replicated and both of them showed that it's highly statistically significant that our bodies are preparing for future events that normally we would think of as not predictable.
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The other one that's on almost the extreme of the spectrum. That's something we're usually not conscious of, but is happening anyway is conscious, precognitive remote viewing. So this is where you're consciously sitting down. Or maybe you're standing up, but you're consciously saying to yourself, I'm going to describe a future stimulus. I'm going to describe the answer to a future question. I'm going to find a missing person, whatever it is that you have been tasked with and no one knows what that information is, including the person who tasked you with it, because otherwise why would they task you with it? And people are able to actually answer those questions. I have a team that answers those questions all the time for people. So not only is operational. Like we can use it to figure out answers to climate change, for instance, some project I did with some atmospheric scientists. But also we can use it to understand the mind and study it scientifically. So I've done both of those with this precognitive remote viewing. And honestly it's very similar to what I see these non speakers doing in several ways, especially the focus on the right hemisphere, but also trying to learn how to tame that intense like fire hose of information that comes in and make it a little bit more linear and understandable with the left hemisphere. And I feel like the communication and regulation partner is the person who's trying to help them do that. And sometimes they try to help the communication and regulation partner do that. But I see that all the time.
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That's fascinating. Is it true or is there research around people having psi abilities, especially telepathy, clairvoyance, stuff like that, more unlocked if they've had a traumatic event. And why do you think that is?
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There's not been very many studies about that question. The intuition that most people have when working with people who have been through trauma. And I've certainly had this intuition myself. It's like an anecdotal sort of report or a feeling that they might be better. You might see more siabilities among them. Certainly. I believe that one study was done by the Windbridge Research center about mediumship and people who are mediums and that they tended to have a greater than usual traumatic history. And then I know that Kirsten Cameron did a study at CIIS California Institute of Integral Studies showing that people who have been traumatized as children are more likely to have at least precognition. Now that study is very interesting to me in particular because my interest in informational time travel, which is another name for precognition, which is this capacity to get information from places in time that aren't the now and usually the future. And my own experience as a child certainly brought me into trying to study that question.
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Yeah.
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And also has helped trying to address the trauma I had as a child and that I see other people having using unconditional love has also brought me into trying to understand that question. So what is it about trauma that might open people up to different areas of time or getting information that is usually considered anomalous or different? I think it's that it's a coping strategy. It's almost like why is it that non speakers are telepathic? Well, if you can't speak, maybe you have to cope with communication in a Different way. Given that human beings have this capacity of telepathy, why would you not use that? Well, similarly, if you come home every day after school to a household that's really disorganized, there may be abuse, there may be neglect, someone's drunk, someone's using drugs, maybe your spidey sense starts to kick in because it helps save your
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life, meaning your consciousness would go somewhere else.
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That's dissociation, which is one solution. Another solution is you're on your way home on the school bus and you have this feeling, you know, I'm just going to do my homework outside today. And then when you go in the house, your parent has passed out on the couch and you're glad you didn't come in earlier because they were abusive. And so it's this necessity. I really think the human need for these skills are what brings them out. Having said that, it is very important to treat the trauma and to move forward with compassion. When you discover someone who has had trauma, who might have these skills, guess what? If they do that, they don't lose the skill. You don't lose the skill. So in fact, unconditional love is a better, more sustainable way to get to psi capacities than trauma.
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And you referenced your own trauma and your own abilities. Do you feel comfortable saying what happened?
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Yeah. So when I was a kid, my father had severe obsessive compulsive disorder. And he thought there was something wrong with his mouth, so he would floss his teeth for a long period of time. But he also thought there was something wrong with my mouth and also my sister's mouth. And so at night, from the ages of about 3 till 10, for 45 minutes to an hour each, he would floss our teeth. And I know that my timing is correct because he actually recorded it on audio tapes. And I found one of the audio tapes and it hadn't ended by the end of a 90 minute audio tape. So here's the thing. I had this experience of this woman in her 50s with brown hair sitting on a rocking chair to the right of the bed. And there was a little rocking chair there, but not the kind of visualized. And she was rocking and she was saying things to me like, you know what? This sucks. It's okay to be angry. Like, this is not okay. But I want you to know you're going to thrive. So you're going to get through this and you're going to thrive. And she would say that over and over again, and it was really comforting.
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When I was in therapy in my 40s and started talking about that this had happened, my therapist had me do time travel therapy. Basically go back to the time when my father was flossing my teeth and out of control and say kind things to myself. And that's when I realized that was that person.
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So when you were doing time travel therapy, maybe you would imagine yourself in the chair saying to your younger self, this is hard, but you're gonna thrive one day. And then you realize the person in the chair was you in the future doing the therapy.
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Yes. And I don't know if that was a memory that evolved from the therapy, the memory of myself as a child experiencing that, or if that was a real memory I had as a child, because by then I didn't care it was so effective. It doesn't matter. It felt like a beautiful time loop. And I don't care whether it was real in the sense of did I actually see my future self? Or whether it was a false memory because the actual experience was so healing. That experience did lead me to start trying to understand informational time travel, mental time travel and physical time travel, all of those things, because you can't have an experience like that without starting to ask those questions.
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Someone Dr. Mossbridge has been working closely with on exactly how time can be used as a healing tool is psychologist Dr. Mike Sapiro.
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I'm Dr. Michael Ryoshin Sapiro. I'm a clinical psychologist, a psychedelic psychotherapist, an ordained Zen Buddhist monk, an author and meditation teacher, and I'm also a fellow at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, where they study, you know, a variety of human capabilities through the lens of science.
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Dr. Sapiro has recently been profiled by the New York Times for the amazing work he's doing with veterans through ketamine therapy. It's worth checking out as the results from the studies are profound. But today we're focusing on his therapy model regarding time.
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Somewhere about 15 years ago, I started working at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, and I was under the mentorship of Cassandra Vitten, and I was learning what consciousness Is from the scientific lens, from the lens of neuroscience and then philosophy. And then I met Julia Mossbridge, who was also a fellow at the Institute of Noetic Science Sciences, studying time travel in her own way. And what I was doing clinically, she was doing scientifically. She was looking at how do we transcend the present moment, how do we grow beyond this moment? The moment also includes the past and the present and the future. She wants to study that through a scientific lens. I want to help people have access to the parts of themselves in the past that need tending and nurturance, compassion, unconditional love, hope. The parts of us that were deeply wounded and left alone and felt isolated. I wanted to bring my clients back in time, to bring their present self, which had more wisdom and ability than their old self, their younger self. And so I started developing these protocols in session, Just kind of spontaneously using meditation experiences and bringing people backward to their most vulnerable places, Whether they were in the trauma, being tortured in some cases, or in a combat zone, or on a terrible call, if they're first responders, and bringing love, tenderness, compassion, in almost an altered state of consciousness. So we can just simply think about our past, or we can actually in some way dissolve back into it and be there with that person suffering. And I found it had a tremendous effect on their present day health outcomes, their present day ability to tolerate disturb, stress and discomfort here in the moment. But it also gave them a sense of like, oh, I have been through so much and I'm stronger than I ever thought. And then I started with some colleagues, Cassandra and Julia, working toward the future, also including what would happen if we had relationships with our future self. Many of us feel stuck in our life now because we're moving through the world with old habits and programs and patterns that are dictating our present, which will dictate our future, Unless some event happens that disturbs our programming. But we can disturb our programming and we can go toward a future that was unimaginable. So I'm helping people untether from what's imaginable and start building the capacity to imagine what was previously not imaginable. Because you want a future that's wide open and vast to create with, rather than just be locked into old habits that kind of perpetuate themselves. So I'm doing both of those things in my work, backward and forward.
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The therapy Julia did that made her realize she was the older woman in the room with her at night, comforting herself as a child is exactly the kind of work Dr. Sapiro does.
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That's how Julie and I met was by me sharing this story that I'll share with you of a client that I have permission to share at a ions fellow meeting. And her hearing that and the light bulbs going off for her going, oh man, this is. This happened to me too. And then we started joining teams together. And I'm sorry if this triggers anybody listening. I'll keep some of the details out. I had a client who was tortured as a child, traumatized very badly, kept in a closet for days at a time, and she would have somebody visit her. That brought her great comfort. We had done this time travel meditation and I brought her back to those moments. And she herself acted as this older, compassionate, ethereal. And she woke up from that meditation in tears going, that was me doing that for myself. I was the one who came back and provided the care I needed. I didn't know that because she never knew who showed up in her closet with her until we had done that meditation. It gives me chills to talk about it now. And I know this is not the only time this has happened. In my work with others, I too have experienced this. The more we do time travel this way, the more we realize how our own presence is, the thing we've been waiting for. Our own presence is the healing presence we've always been waiting for. So space and time expand and contract. And really, in any non dual spiritual tradition, for those listening, you can look up non duality that time really doesn't exist the way we imagine or think or have constructed it to exist. And so in any true altered state of consciousness, whether it's facilitated by medicine like psychedelics or deep meditative experiences, or trance or dancing or drumming, when you're really deep into the experience itself, time disappears. It slows down, it may speed up. It's very relative to the person having the experience. And so someone on ketamine, they might go, we did an hour long session and they're like, doc, it was five minutes. When you're in altered states of consciousness, time expands and contracts and doesn't even exist half the time anyway. I do something called time bending. There's ways of expanding, slowing down time. So you can get so much more in your life by slowing time down. And I don't mean get more done, you're more productive. I mean, you live a much richer, full life because your senses are wide open, you're smelling things, you're hearing things that you're honestly missing in our life because we're rushing or we're on our phones or we're just thinking about the bills. We're not actually slowing down to smell the roses. So when you start practicing this way of time bending, life becomes much richer because your senses are much more aligned, taking in a lot more information. I've heard temporally, people say time doesn't exist, they are timeless. When we travel back to the past and to greet our younger versions, we're present in the moment of the time we went back. And time in this reality where we're sitting doesn't exist. People don't know how long we're doing this meditation for. They don't know how long they're out for because they're completely invested in the experience. And that's true for any altered state, whether it's meditation or drumming or psychedelics. You're so invested in the present moment where in my experience, all of life exists from every point of time. Our past exists in us right now. Our parents past exists in us, our grandparents through their DNA, through our parents, through us here. Right now we have our ancestors with us. Now we're actually still reacting to our ancestors experiences through epigenetics. And what Julie and I have been talking about is we also have access to the future. So as we're doing this time kind of traveling, this future making in this past work, we really have what we call long body where we're connected to the ancestors and we're connected to future generations. We took that from an Iroquois concept of the long body of time that expands beyond the present moment and beyond our life. So we're doing all of this while we're going into these altered states of consciousness, working in different time periods. We're here in the present moment, accessing history and future.
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Well, thank you so much Dr. Sapiro. That was fascinating. If you're interested in learning more about the time therapy project Dr. Mossbridge and Dr. Sapiro discussed, head to Timemachine Love on the website is a clinically validated, self guided approach to healing with time travel therapy. That's it for this episode of the Talk tracks, but new episodes will be released every Wednesday. So stay tuned as we work to unravel all the threads, even the veiled ones that knit together our reality. And please remember to stay kind, stay curious, and that being a true skeptic requires an open mind. Thank you to my amazing collaborators, producers Kathryn Ellis and Selina Kennedy. Technical Directing Audio mix and finishing by Jeremy Cole, Opening and closing music by Elizabeth PW and original logo cover art by Ben Condora. Design I'm Kai Dickens, your executive producer, writer and host From Lashes for days with the viral Liquid Lash Extensions Mascara to awakening your eyes with lift and color from the brilliant eye brightener, Thrive Cosmetics is the Go to when you want to amplify your everyday look. Plus, every product is 100% vegan, cruelty free, and made with clean, skin loving ingredients that work with your skin. And for every product purchased, Thrive Cosmetics donates to help communities Thrive. So every time you use your favorite Thrive Cosmetics product, you're helping communities you care about too amplify your everyday go to thrivecosmetics.com shine26 for an exclusive offer of 20% off your first order. That's Thrive Cosmetics. C-A-U-S-E M E T-I C-S.com shine26.