S2E45: Casey Carter: The Teacher Who Started Hearing Her Student’s Thoughts | Talk Tracks

Summary

The Telepathy Tapes: S2E45
Casey Carter: The Teacher Who Started Hearing Her Student’s Thoughts | Talk Tracks
August 12, 2026
Host: Ky Dickens
Guest: Casey Carter

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Episode Overview

In this captivating episode, host Ky Dickens welcomes Casey Carter, a former neurodevelopmental teacher whose life took a transformative turn when she discovered that one of her non-speaking autistic students, Jed, possessed verifiable telepathic abilities. This conversation unpacks Casey’s journey from skepticism to astounding direct experience—covering telepathy, consciousness merging, bi-location, astral projection, portals, and the nature of reality itself. Listeners are invited to question the boundaries of the mind and the hidden potentials of non-speakers, with Casey’s story serving as both a personal awakening and a call to reconsider what we believe possible.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Meeting Jed and the First Clues (03:10 – 06:51)

• Casey outlines her career working with children with severe autism at a private school.
  • She describes Jed: unable to sit still, highly intelligent, seemingly "trying to crawl out of his skin."
  • Initial communication attempts via iPad revealed that Jed could spell every word correctly, astonishing staff who couldn’t explain how.
• Casey’s early instinct: “I was looking at this kid...and I just had this feeling that I needed to help him. And I'm like, I don't know how to help him. Like, God, help me help him.” (03:23)

2. Discovery of Telepathy (08:48 – 12:32)

• Casey’s “spiritual reckoning” precedes the big discovery.
  • After an emotional weekend seeking purpose, she returns to school and realizes Jed can read her thoughts—confirmed by asking him to spell words she’s thinking.
  • “Every word that I thought, he typed it out.” (09:09)
• Jed describes his abilities: no distance barriers, he can read anyone’s mind, and prefers telepathic communication to spelling because “it's a lot harder for him… very easy for him to send a thought to me.” (12:01)

3. Experiencing Two-Way Telepathy (12:32 – 18:54)

• Consciousness Merging: Casey finds she can begin to hear Jed’s internal voice, which “sounds like my inner voice… but there’s a feeling that comes along with it and I know it’s not me.” (10:26)
• Extended reality: Jed says he can see angels, demons, the past and future, and can astral project. “He said he could see angels and demons. He can see the past and the future. He can astral project and that timing is his thing.” (17:41)
• Casey’s first astral experience: “I felt really big...filling up our cubby...in my body, but also above us…it was only for like a second or two.” (18:13)

4. The Impact on Daily Life and Bilocation (19:24 – 29:50)

• Casey hears Jed even when at home (“it was like constant...he was like talking to me 24/7”) and describes the mix of innocence and intelligence (“very preteen energy...and very philosophical, intelligent conversations”) (20:16).
• Jed demonstrates astral and bi-locational abilities: e.g., knowing about a dropped bowl of garlic knots while not physically present and moving a chandelier in Casey’s home while appearing to be elsewhere (28:09).
  • Notable moment: “Out of the corner of my eye, the chandelier in my dining room just started swinging…he was like, ‘I'm over here.’” (28:43)

5. School’s Reaction, Gatekeeping, and Moving Forward (22:50 – 26:41)

• Casey tells Jed’s mother, who is unsurprised and deeply moved. Jed insists they inform the school principal.
• At the meeting, the principal reveals the existence of a “secret file” of students with similar abilities, admitting the school knows of multiple telepathic non-speakers.
  • “We have a kid out in California that can tell us who at the school has these gifts.” (25:13)
• Jed instructs Casey to leave her job and homeschool him, a decision both families accept instantaneously (“Jed said, I'm gonna homeschool him. And [his mom] was like, okay.”) (26:26)

6. Portals, Energy, and Non-Ordinary Skills (30:16 – 33:05)

• Jed demonstrates the ability to “spin” objects (e.g., pots) to manipulate energy, open/close portals, and time travel.
  • “He can see the energy that's created by the spin. And he can manipulate that energy. He uses it to time travel or open portals or close portals.” (30:40)
• Portals lead to “other realms, other dimensions...Some are just like this one, but different.” (31:10)
• On time: Jed can “go outside of time and space...be in a place that may feel like 10 years, but it’s like 10 seconds here.” (33:09)

7. Emotional & Physical Effects on Casey (33:52 – 35:55)

• The merging of consciousness has a profound physical impact: “I was feeling this, like, vibration, like, internally. It was like a buzzing, like in my whole body, and it wouldn't stop. And I couldn't eat and I couldn't sleep.” (34:08)
• On why mothers might struggle more than teachers to attain telepathic connection: “When you're with your kids...it's a mental load...But with Jed, [at school,] we were trained to be with them, to be present.” (37:05)

8. Spiritual & Philosophical Revelations (38:16 – 41:15)

• Jed’s wisdom shifts Casey’s worldview:
  • On reality: “[Jed] has told me that the spiritual realms where he operates are more real than what we experience.”
  • On reincarnation and soul groups: “He’s said that we are in a soul group and we’ve traveled together and we’ve been close for many lifetimes.” (39:23)
• Disclosure of angels and demons as real presences he can perceive, and his purpose involving timelines and “making sure events happen when they are supposed to.” (41:42)

9. Simulation Theory, God, and Healing (42:56 – 46:29)

• Reality as simulation: “We're not living in the world that, like, I was told it was, you know.”
• Jed on God: “God is real and God is love, and love is the ultimate truth.” (43:07)
• Angels: everyone has at least one, Jed has 22.
• On healing and purpose: “Our reality is a mirror of our inner world. And once we get a hold of our inner world and we start to heal…we have so much power in the physical realm.” (45:34)

10. Art Studio & Collaborative Healing (48:43 – 52:37)

• Casey and Jed develop “Converging Hearts,” an art studio focused on collaborative art imbued with “healing codes.”
  • “He creates these beautiful abstract works and he puts healing codes into the work...he uses lines, patterns, colors, like all very intentionally in each painting.” (50:40)
  • Intention plays a key role, described as “the king [or queen] force in the non physical world.” (50:21)
• The initiative also aims to provide a creative haven for non-speakers aging out of school.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “I was just like, how on earth is this real?...I remember writing you saying, like, you're not alone.” — Ky Dickens (02:38)
• “Every word that I thought, he typed it out.” — Casey (09:09)
• “There is no distance that he cannot read somebody.” — Casey, quoting Jed (10:16)
• “It sounds like my inner voice. But there’s a feeling...and I know it’s not me.” — Casey (10:26)
• “He told me he could be in five places at one time.” — Casey (44:13)
• “God is real and God is love, and love is the ultimate truth.” — Jed via Casey (43:07)

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Significant Segment Timestamps

• 03:10 — Meeting Jed; initial efforts at communication
• 08:49 — Telepathy discovered through word-spelling
• 12:32 — Begin two-way telepathy/‘hearing’ Jed
• 17:41 — Jed’s list of abilities (seeing angels/demons, time)
• 18:13 — First astral/merged consciousness experience
• 20:03 — Jed “always with” Casey, even when apart
• 22:50 — Telling Jed’s mom and the principal; secret school file
• 26:53 — Explanation of bi-location and astral projection
• 30:16 — Jed’s spinning/energy manipulation, portals
• 34:08 — Physical and vibrational impact on Casey
• 37:05 — Why teachers sometimes connect more easily
• 38:16 — Spiritual realms “more real” than the physical
• 41:42 — Jed’s role in “timelines”/purpose
• 43:07 — Casey relays Jed’s simple theology
• 48:43 — Launching Converging Hearts art studio
• 50:40 — Art as intention and healing codes

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Closing Reflections & Resources

• Casey concludes expressing awe for Jed and the transformations in both of their lives. The bond remains strong and continues to reveal new depths.
• The "Converging Hearts" project is ongoing, selling collaborative art and providing a space for non-speakers to express themselves and thrive (ConvergingHearts.com).
• Listeners are left with the affirmation that unique gifts may be latent in all of us, awaiting the right encouragement or environment to surface.

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For further exploration:

• ConvergingHearts.com — Casey & Jed’s collaborative art
• Visit thetelepathytapes.com for Backstage Pass content

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Endnotes:
This episode, steeped in personal candor and otherworldly storytelling, invites listeners to suspend disbelief and consider the profound mysteries hidden within the human mind—reminding us, in Casey’s words:
“Our reality is a mirror of our inner world...once we get a hold of our inner world and start to heal…we have so much power in the physical realm.” (45:34)

Transcript

[A]

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Today we have a very special person, Casey Carter, who was a neurodevelopmental teacher when she discovered that one of her students had telepathy. And Casey, your story was so significant in my journey personally, and I just want to share it with people because, like, I was maybe two and a

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half, three years into this whole journey

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already, like, you know, basically the story was, like, complete. You know, I think in terms of what we were doing. And then someone forwarded me, I don't even know how I found it, a YouTube video of you completely in the shadows, talking about the fact that one of your students could read minds and was jumping into your thoughts and that you were starting to hear him back. And watching the video, I could tell that you thought you were all alone in this, that no one else in the world was going through this, that your experience was a singular experience and you felt really scared sharing it, which is why you were in the shadows. And as I listened to you speak, it was everything I'd heard from other teachers, other parents. And it was so affirming because for me personally, as I was going through this journey, no matter how much cooperation there was, not just around the country, but around the world, I'd always think, could this possibly be true?

[A]

Could this possibly be true?

[C]

And like, it was in one of those moments where it just again, like, I was just like, how on earth is this real? Where there you were, like, alone out there thinking, I'm a teacher. I'm witnessing this. And there was so much corroboration happening for you. And I remember writing you saying, like, you're not alone. And I think you were terrified to talk to me. You were like, no one should. Ah. Like. And so I want everyone to hear your story. So take us back to where you working when you met Jed, the student who I think I can fairly say changed your life.

[B]

Yes. Yeah, see, my life will never be the same. It's. It's kind of crazy. It just overnight kind of flipped upside down in the best way. So I was a teacher at a school. It was a private school for mostly kids with autism, severe autism. And I'd been there for a few years and I'd work with every kind of student that there was. And the school was a great school. The kids are treated really well, but there was not a ton of emphasis on getting them the communication. Like, we didn't let her board there. And if there was a letter board, like, the parents had to come in and train the teachers. So started working with Jed. And, like, I just had this feeling that I needed to help him. And I'm like, I don't know how to help him. Like, God, help me help him. And I was looking at this kid who was 12 when we started working together, and it's like he couldn't sit still. He was, like, just kind of having difficult days, and it's almost like he was trying to crawl out of his skin. That's what I kept, like, thinking. Like, he can't even stay in his body. Like, I just had that thought. Like, he just looks so uncomfortable and. But I could tell that he was very smart. And we just, like, clicked. So one day I just looked at him and I was like, jed, I'm gonna help you. I'm gonna figure out how to help you communicate, and we're going to get you what you need. So I was just improvising and I pulled out his iPad one day, and I was like, I know you're really smart, and I know that you know yes and no. So I opened his notes app and I was like, you can. I can ask you yes and no, and you can tell me. You can answer the questions that way.

[C]

And so you would ask him a question and he'd write yes or he'd hit no.

[B]

He so went the first time he taught me. So how to spell with him because I held the iPad up, and I was going to help him do it independently or try to, you know. He immediately grabbed my hand with his and pointed his finger like he was grounding himself and typed. And I was like, oh, okay, this is great, right? So we did yes and no questions for a little bit. And then I was like, we're going to see how many words, you know, like, how many words can you spell? So I grabbed this thousand word list, and we did a few words each day, and he spelled every single word correctly. And I was like, okay, well, you know how to spell. And it was really strange because at the school, everybody's like, how does he know how to spell? I'm like, I don't know, but he is. So we're just going to go with it. And after he had a way to truly express himself, I just saw, like, a change in him. He was calmer. We were having, like, really good days every day, and I started going through a spiritual awakening. I kind of realized that, like, they were all in there and they just didn't have a way to express themselves. He was telling us things like what he wanted to do over the weekend. And, like, everybody was really blown away, but there wasn't a lot of questioning. We just went with it, right? They're like, oh, he's happy. Let's go for it.

[C]

And would you tell his mom? Okay, he's telling us what he wants

[A]

to do over the weekend.

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We would send home notes. He would. It was in his iPad, so I'd be. I'd write in the journal. Like, he typed in his iPad that he wants to play soccer this weekend or he wants hamburgers for dinner or whatever.

[C]

That's so cool. So everything was being. He was typing into the iPad, since there weren't letterboards. So you had a record of it or could take a picture.

[B]

Okay, cool. And he was. He did have other teachers at that time, so he was spelling with other teachers, too, in the same way. Like, he grabbed their hand and pointed and spelled.

[C]

Did you have any doubt it was him authoring his thoughts?

[A]

No.

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No doubt at all. Because, I mean, you can feel him moving his hand. It's all him. So I had no doubt ever. None of the other teachers had any doubt. So we did that for a few months. And we. I was getting to know him. He told me, like, we would ask him, what do you want to. What do you want to be? He wanted. He wants to be an author. He told me he wanted to be a policeman. One Time. So. So very interesting stuff. And then. So this is kind of where, like, I had a lot going on in my personal life. I don't know what was going on in his life, except we were seeing improvements at school and at home, and that was really great. But I had gone through what I call a spiritual reckoning. So I had this really tough weekend where I was, like, dealing with emotional things and, like, just praying to, like, God, show me. Like, I. I feel. I just felt like I had a purpose and I didn't know what it was. And, like, every choice I made in my life, even, like, the very best ones, it just still wasn't quite right for me. So I was really seeking guidance to figure out what I'm supposed to be doing. And I prayed to God on a Sunday night to show me what I was supposed to be doing and to use me for his good. And the very next day, I found out that Jed was telepathic. And I was like, okay, wow.

[C]

What?

[B]

I hear you, God. It just started with, like, he. Okay, so before this, before my prayer, before I figured out he could read me, the week before that, he found out he was very emotional. He was, like, crying all day. And we were like, what's wrong? Like, what's going on with you? And he spelled that he was sad that his other teacher, who was a male, was leaving him to go to a different part of the school. And everybody was curious how he knew that because we didn't tell them. So we were like, how did he know? Like, did he hear us talking about it? Like. But we didn't talk about it in front of him. So we were just all kind of like, that's weird. So we went straight to his cubby. And I. Like, we did. He didn't even have his backpack off. I was like, you. You're going to spell for me, you know? And I was like, can you tell me the word that I'm thinking? And he spelled it immediately. It was space. That was the word. And I was like, what? Like, this is crazy. So I was like, maybe it's a fluke. Maybe I was guiding his hand. And I asked him again and again and again, and every word that I thought, he typed it out. And then I was like, okay, this is incredible. I was like, obviously you can read my mind. So I started asking him, like, do you have to be in the room with me?

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Do you have.

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Like, is there a distance barrier? Just all these little things I was curious about.

[C]

What'd he say?

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He said, there is no distance that he cannot read somebody. And I was meaning like you were

[C]

hearing him tell path. Did you hear his voice or was it like the message just coming through in your brain?

[B]

So when I hear him, it sounds, it sounds like my inner voice. It sounds like if I'm like making a grocery list in my head or talking to myself, it sounds the same. But there's like a feeling that comes along with it and I know it's not me. Like I'm not thinking this.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, so.

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And during the time that you're discovering this about jet, it sounds like you were testing it all week. Like testing, testing.

[B]

Yes. So I was like, I'm gonna see if there's a boundary here, you know. So we did all of his schoolwork. I would just thank it and he would spell it. So if we were doing processing, which is like saying three items for instance, and then they have to repeat it back to you, I would just thank them and he would spell them. We did all of his work telepathically, but it was very one sided at this point.

[C]

Meaning he could only read your mind at this point?

[B]

Yes. I, yeah, I didn't even think that it was possible for me to be

[C]

able to do that. So just for the audience to keep up. Because this is one of the coolest things that I discovered in my journey was that teachers, even more than parents, eventually started to hear their students thoughts back and could have two way telepathy, which is like the most mind boggling thing. And you're one of those teachers. So I just wanted to put that out. That's coming. And same with bilocation. I know we just skated right by that, but that's all coming too. So. Yeah. Okay, so at this point you've tested him, you're doing homework with him in or schoolwork with him. Did he say whether or not he preferred telepathic, like communication over spoken word from you?

[B]

I don't think during that time I asked him if that was a preference, but I kind of learned very quickly that he would rather just use telepathy than the spelling because that's a lot harder for him. It's very easy for him to send a thought to me. It's really hard for him to stay in his body, focus on the board. Which is also a reason he uses like holds my hand, it grounds him energetically, but also he can see through my eyes. Wow.

[C]

Okay, so you start hearing what he's about to spell out before he spells it.

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I was like what else can you do. Like this cannot be the only thing you know. He said he could see angels and demons. He can see the past and the future. He can astral project and that timing is his thing. Like, that is where the, the list of, of gifts that he told to me.

[C]

And for someone who doesn't know what astral projection is, what does that mean?

[B]

It is traveling outside of your body.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Through. I mean, I don't know exactly what it is, but it's your consciousness projecting two different locations.

[A]

Okay.

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Now, did you ask him to show you what that means? And what did he do?

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Yes. So, okay, so I used to describe it as like, I felt like I was in a bubble. Like we were in the same bubble together, but we were obviously still in our seats. And then I heard somebody talk about an experience they had and they said that they felt really big and I was like, that's what it felt like. I felt really big. I felt like I was filling up our cubby and I was in my body, but I was also like above us. It was very strange and it was only for like a second or two, like a moment, and then it kind of like leveled out.

[C]

And that was the first time it ever happened?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

So you had like a visceral reaction the first time it happened.

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Now I have a lot of theories about what that was, but I, I do know that in some way I'm not scientific, so I could not explain this, but we like merged our consciousness and we became connected on like a completely different level. Wow.

[C]

Okay, so then did you start hearing him only when he was beside you?

[B]

No, I heard him. So after that, when I was like, okay, I'm hearing you. This is really weird. I kind of thought when I go home, like I won't hear him anymore. But it was like constant. I was, he was like talking to me like 247 almost. About what? Everything. About what he wanted to do, about how excited he was, like how our lives are going to be different or just, you know, chit chat, small talk. Like I'd be cooking dinner and he's just like, oh, that looks good. Well, you know, just like constantly talking to me.

[C]

And was it boyish? Like, you know, because I think of I have like a six year old boy who's like, it likes living with a coyote. He's like always everywhere I'm spat mastic, you know, like, did it feel like that? Like, did it have boy energy that was like excited and.

[B]

Yeah, it had very, I would say very preteen energy. But he's Also extremely intelligent. Like, more so than me. And he's very. Well, he's become very mature, too. So it's like. It's kind of a spectrum. Like, we'd get really excited and he's just like, you know, the juvenile, like, innocent excitement and then very philosophical, intelligent

[C]

conversations when he was talking about, like, what you were making for dinner and stuff. So it wasn't that he was just popping into your mind, he was seeing what you were doing?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

How. How did he say he could do that?

[B]

Well, I just knew that he was tapped into me in some way, but he also told me that he's always with me. So when I. When I say that our consciousness, like, merged, it's like he just gained some kind of access to me where he's just always with me. I don't know how else to explain it, but, like, I can ask him anything about this trip that I'm on right now, and he would be able to spell it.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

So, okay, let's back up. So, okay, so you're doing schoolwork. You haven't told anyone yet. When did you tell his mom? And when did you tell the principal?

[B]

Okay, so that whole week we were just testing, and I was like, okay, this is incredible. Do you. What do you want to do? Do you want to go to the school? Do you want me to tell your mom? Because I, as a mother myself, I was like, there's. That's the only way forward is to tell his mom, right? And he was like, yes, absolutely. So I texted her that Friday, and I was like, this is gonna sound strange, but after you pick Jed up, could you come by my house? And she was like, yeah, of course. She's very sweet. And, like, you know, she just went with it. So they came by and he was going to spell for her, but he was so nervous that he couldn't, like, stand still. So I was like, I'll just tell you what he is trying to tell you. I was like, you know how you said you think he's psychic sometimes? I was like, he actually is, and he can read minds and he's been reading me all week. And I just told her everything that he had shared with me, how we were doing his schoolwork telepathically. And she immediately was just like, I knew he was special. Like, she had some tears come up and she was like, I knew that he was special.

[C]

Were you so relieved?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Because that conversation could have gone very differently.

[B]

Yes, it could have. It could have. But I just trusted Jed, and that's what he wanted to do so.

[C]

He must have known she'd be. Yeah.

[B]

And I mean, after this, she's like, telling me all these stories. Well, this one, Tommy did this. And this one time this happened. And she's like, it makes so much sense now. And then she was like, well, do we need to tell the school? And I was like. And he typed out, yes, we need to tell them. So she called and asked for a meeting with the founder. And we had a meeting the next Thursday. Right. When we walked in, it was kind of like I kind of took control. And I think some of that was him, because I. I can channel Jed and, like, he uses my body to, like, I'll be talking to somebody and then I'll just say something and it's like, oh, that was Jed. Jed wanted me to say that, you know. So we walk in and it's kind of clear that I'm like, running the meeting here. And first I gave my notice, which was kind of weird because I wasn't expecting that. And I was like, you know, before we tell you why we're here, I just want you to know I'm not. Jed said, I'm not coming back, so figure that out.

[C]

What, so you weren't planning on quitting?

[B]

You didn't want to quit? No.

[C]

But Jed told you you had.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Give you a notice.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

And you just went with it?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

And you could hear him during this whole meeting?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Oh, my goodness. Okay, so then what happens? You're sitting with the principal.

[B]

I put in my notice and then I was like, you know, we're here because I discovered I've been spelling with Jed. I wasn't sure if she knew that we were spelling together, so I explained that and I was like, I found out last week that Jed could read my thoughts. He could hear me. And I was like. I found out a lot of other things too. Like he's can see the past and the future. And I just kind of gave her the little spiel and she. She kind of smirked at me, which I was not expecting. I thought she was going to ask me questions and be like, oh, this is incredible. Like, what else can he do? But she just kind of smirked and she said, I thought that's why you wanted to see us.

[C]

So she'd heard this before?

[B]

Apparently. And then she told us we have a secret file of kids like Jed that can do what he does and.

[C]

Wait, so the school had a secret file of kids who were telepathic? Yes.

[A]

That they knew about?

[B]

Yes. And apparently they had. She Told. She told me they. We have a kid out in California that can tell us who at the school has these gifts. And at the time, because we had other things to discuss, like, it was shocking, but it kind of just. I just breezed past it. I was like, oh, so, you know, okay. And then didn't really think about it until after we left the school. And I was like, hold on a minute. Like, they have a secret list. They already know this. Like, why aren't they telling? I couldn't understand why they wouldn't tell the parents. This is when I experienced the gatekeeping to begin with, so.

[C]

Wow. Yeah, because so many teachers have experienced this type of thing.

[B]

Yeah. Wow.

[C]

Okay, so you put in your notice. What did you do for work?

[B]

Well, he said that I was gonna homeschool him.

[A]

Jed did.

[B]

And I kind of. I looked at his mom and I was like, jed said, I'm gonna homeschool him. And she was like, okay. Which it was like in a, in a moment that was decided and it just, we went with it.

[C]

So, okay, so you leave. You start homeschooling Jed. So maybe tell us about bilocation and maybe you could talk about how your journey unfolded and what you've learned since about Jed.

[B]

All right, so bilocation, essentially the way I understand it, is being in two places at once, Right. Being in your physical body and then also being somewhere else. And that was pretty clear that he was doing that.

[C]

How come?

[B]

So I was walking on a trail before we left the school and I ran a. I started a bakery program there. So I would leave Jed and we'd go bake and then I would come back to him and I had these garlic knots in a bowl. I was going to bring him some and I like tripped while I was on the trail and I dropped all of them off the ground. And he, like, knew that whole experience. I was like, well, what just happened to me? And he was like, oh, you dropped my treat on your way back here. And it was just a lot of that, a lot of like, I wasn't really even thinking about what happened. It's like he experienced it with me because he knew exactly what I was doing, where I was, what happened. Here's a good example. I was at my house, my kids were asleep. It was like 9 o' clock at night and my husband works late, so he wasn't there. And I was sitting on my couch and I was just chit chatting with Jed. And he.

[C]

In your mind?

[B]

In my mind, yes. And he was like, yeah, I'm Always with you. I already told you that. You know, So I was like, well, if you're here, if you. If your astral body is here in my house, like, where are you? Because I don't see him. I'm, like, looking, you know, like, maybe I'll have some spiritual eyesight come up. I don't know. And out of the corner of my eye, the chandelier in my dining room just started swinging, like, from the ceiling to the ceiling. Just like big swings out of nowhere. And he was like, I'm over here. And I was like, what? Like, he did that? He pushed the chandelier. Wow. He was at his home asleep, but he was at my house.

[C]

And how many times has he impacted your physical world like that?

[B]

It used to happen more. I mean, I probably couldn't count. There have been times where, like, he's asked me to send a message to somebody, like a text message, and I would be typing it, and I would be overthinking it, and he would just make my thumb, like, press the send button.

[C]

Really?

[B]

Yes. Or like, I'll be.

[C]

And you feel like you'd feel it?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, somebody took my thumb and did that.

[C]

Dang, that's scary. Is it? Was it scary?

[B]

No. Because I trust him now. If it was somebody else.

[C]

Right.

[B]

I would probably not. And I. I talked to him about, like, you know, that's probably not best. Like, you probably shouldn't do that. That's might be crossing some lines. It took him a while to realize, like, yeah, I guess I shouldn't.

[C]

So you really had to figure out those boundaries together.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I was like, this is overwhelming. Like, you. You're gonna have to give me a break. Like, when I'm with my family, like, you're gonna have to be quiet. And he was like, you know, I get that. I'm sorry. And, like, he was just so excited.

[C]

Okay, so now let's go forward. I wanna know what came next. Cause you told me a story once that I think our listeners would really be excited by.

[B]

Yeah. One of his gifts, well, a talent and a spiritual gift, is that he can spin things really well. So he started spinning when he was, like, very little. He would get his mom's, like, biggest pot out of the kitchen or pan and, like, spin it. And he'll. She has videos of him, like, laying on his back and just, like, spinning this big pan like it's a basketball.

[C]

On one finger?

[B]

Yeah, on one finger. And with one hand, like, get it going. It's very impressive. But he's told Me, because he can see the energy that's created by the spin. And he can manipulate that energy. He uses it to time travel or open portals or close portals.

[C]

And where do the portals go?

[B]

I don't know. Not here. Somewhere that's not here.

[C]

So like other realms?

[B]

Like other realms, other dimensions. Yeah.

[C]

And he never talks about what he sees in those other dimensions.

[B]

Some of them are just like this one, but different, you know, like this Earth realm. And then some might be like what you would describe as a different planet, but just a different place than this.

[C]

And he says he can do that by harnessing energy? Yes. And would you have believed in any of that a few years ago?

[B]

No.

[C]

I mean, it sounds so unbelievable, but this is what's so interesting is the only other people I've heard about bilocation from portals, you know, time travel. Some of the things you've talked about are educators, speech pathologists, like people in the education space who are working with non speakers. And none of them would have believed any of this until, you know, their students are talking about now with time travel. Does he say where he goes and why?

[B]

Sometimes he needs to go in the past to know what to do in the future. I guess, like back to the future. I don't know.

[C]

But he'll talk about it just like.

[B]

So here's the thing. In the very beginning, he would tell me what he was working on, but he very quickly, like, if he told me something that I found scary and I would pray about would affect the timeline and not always in a great way. Like it would mess him up. So then he would have to work double time to get the same outcome or whatever. So he learned that, like, I don't actually need to know and it's best if I don't know exactly what he's doing all the time. Because our intention and our thoughts are so powerful that we. We affect everything.

[C]

What does he say about time? Does what is. Has he talked about time?

[B]

So, you know, he is able to go outside of time and space. So he can be in a place that may feel like he's been there for 10 years, but it's like 10 seconds here.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

And he also is like constantly in a dream state. It's like he's always dreaming because when he's asleep, he's talking to me. We used to do his schoolwork while he was asleep. And I would be on like the computer and he would just give me the answers and I'd put them in. So it's like, honestly, the communication is probably Easier when he's asleep because when he's awake, it's just one more place that he's like, processing being in.

[C]

So when you guys first converged and all of a sudden you could start hearing him, you could feel like. Do you think you were just feeling energy because your consciousness expanded? Or do you think. Because I've heard so many non speakers who have apraxia say it feels like electric shocks are going through their body?

[B]

Yes. I think I was feeling his constant state. Like, I was feeling this, like, vibration, like, internally. It was like a buzzing, like in my whole body, and it wouldn't stop. And I couldn't eat and I couldn't sleep. I was happy and excited, but I'm like, something is going on with me.

[C]

Do you think this would be tricky for me as a mom because I would want this connection with my child? Like, how is it for his mom?

[B]

Well, I think first of all, she's grateful that he found somebody, right, that he could connect with, because now she gets to know who her son really is. But I know that there is, like, this longing for her to connect with him also. But what I'm learning along the way through my own journey and, like, listening to other parents is that, like, they do have a connection. And Jed and I, like, I was hearing him before I knew I was hearing him. And all this is retrospection, but, like, I was hearing my kids. Like, when you have a child, I think telepathic telepathy begins when we begin. Like, that's just a natural form of communication. But we don't always have the mind to mind, which is what people are expecting. But when you. When you have your little baby and they need to eat or whatever, you know what they need, and it's because they're communicating that with you and I. They do have that relationship. And he does communicate with her. It's just not in the same way. It's not in the mind to mind. But they are connected. And I just try to remind her of that, you know, that, like, you are. It's just in a different way.

[C]

I also think for parents, we have so much at stake, often that there's so much pressure we put on that relationship, or just that you don't even realize. And I've used this example before, Like, I'll be watching, like, one of my son's basketball games, for instance, and there's six. So everyone's running around going the wrong way, and it's like, oh, so cute. But then when my son starts running the wrong way, I'm like, oh, no. Oh, you know, and it's like such a big deal to me and I get so upset and so anxious about like, what's gonna happen. And I can just delight in everyone else's kid when they stop playing and they're mad and walk off the court. But when it's my son, I'm like dying, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And so I think that we put a lot of such pressure and energy into our own children and our experience of them that I've even met parents who can't spell to communicate with their child because of the anxiousness of like, I want them to do it. I want them da, da, da, you know.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And of course that's all out of love. It's all out of love. But I do think there's like a special relationship and you could tell me more than I can postulate here, but it does seem with teachers there's a special relationship because there's not as much pressure on it where you can just receive non speakers telepathy easier.

[B]

Yes, I. So with my own children, I don't have this, you know, mind to mind connection and I probably never will because when I'm caring for them, I'm cooking dinner and I'm cleaning the house and I'm making sure they get to soccer practice and you know, all the things, it's a mental load that you can't easily drop when you're with your kids. But with Jed, we were trained to be with them, to be present with them, to not, you know, be on our phones or be distracted. That like when you're with that student, you're fully present with them. And that I think is. Was the catalyst or that's what kind of opened the door to this. Because when I was with him, I wasn't thinking about, you know, home life, family life. I was just on the job. And also I was very interested after we started spelling into what he was going to say. So I just was like blank slate and just waiting for him.

[C]

What are some of the more remarkable things he's told you about himself or his desires or even maybe this non physical world that have been surprising to you?

[B]

Oh man. There's been so much like the way I viewed the world before and after, just completely opposite. He has told me that like the spiritual realms where he operates are more real than what we experience. Which is like hard to understand because this is very real and we can feel and smell and see and taste. But he's like, it's what I experience outside of this physical experience is. Is. Was actually real, you know.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

So that was a big one for me to understand. And I'm still trying to get there, you know, but he introduced like, simulation theory. Like, I've learned so much about, like, reality, or maybe not learned, but I've explored so many facets of reality because I'm like, what is this place that, like, this is possible? This is. We're not living in the world that like, I was told it was, you know.

[C]

Does he talk about, like, living multiple lives?

[B]

He has before said that, like, our, like, we are in a, like a soul group and we've traveled together and we've been close for many lifetimes. And he. That's like, in the beginning, that's what he told me. That we've like, in the past, in past lives, we were with each other in some capacity.

[C]

And how did that. I mean, it's such a. I've heard so many non speakers talk about past lives, and the first time I heard it, it was like a cognitive dissonance that exploded my world open because I was like, I want to have my one marriage right now, my. My two children right now. My one life I'm living. And this one life feels so precious that it was so like, off the grid of anything I'd ever heard. So when you heard that, like, growing up, and I would imagine, like the very Christian south, like, how did you take that?

[B]

Well, I think, like, I'd heard about reincarnation and I always kind of believed in it. Like, since I heard it, it never made sense to me. Like, even growing up in a church and hearing the stories, it didn't make a lot of sense to me that we only had this one shot, you know, to get it right. Like, that never sat well. So when I heard about what reincarnation was, it just made so much sense that I just believed it. Before I met Jed.

[C]

So he had said, you guys have been together in a past life, but he didn't say which. Which, like, relationship it was.

[B]

No, he. He said many lives. So we've probably experienced like, the. Any dynamic of relationship that exists. Dang, that's so wild. Yeah, but I mean, that. That goes for my kids and my husband. Like, we all have been together in

[C]

our little group and so what else has he told you about reality that maybe has changed you?

[B]

Well, first when he was telling me about angels and demons, that was a

[C]

big shift that would terrify me.

[B]

That was like, you know, top three of like, shocks.

[C]

What do you even mean by that?

[B]

Like, how present?

[C]

Or like. Okay, yeah, explain that.

[B]

Okay, so he just said that he sees angels and demons, so they visit him. Right. So beings come to him. He. He's talked to me about what his actual job is here. Not in great detail other than, like, the timing thing where it's. His gift is being able to locate a timeline, follow that timeline and make sure events happen when they are supposed to. That's like, as far as I understand what he's doing. I don't really know. Like, there may be somebody out there that gets it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, are all these timelines, like, happening at once? Like, what. What do you mean?

[C]

What does he mean?

[B]

I don't know. It's just so different from what I grew up being told. What I believed reality was that we're on a rock flying through space. Like, I don't think any of that's real anymore, which is crazy. But my reality shifted so much that probably for the first year, I thought I might be crazy.

[C]

I mean, he has more or less explained that this is not the real reality. It's almost like a simulation theory that we live multiple lives. But what would Jed say about God in this?

[B]

Well, the message that he spelled was, God is real and God is love, and love is the ultimate truth.

[C]

I love that.

[B]

I asked him if I have an angel, and he said, everybody has an angel. Some people have more angels than others. He said, I have 22.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

That are always around me. Which is nice to know because, like, it helps me not be afraid now, knowing that, like, he has angels that help him and they come to him when he. In times of need. Right. When his grandmother passed away, we were there and he saw angels come and take her.

[C]

And you don't think it's metaphorical? Like, he sees this?

[B]

Yes, he sees this for sure, but it can be metaphorical. Just like a demon could be something he sees or something he feels an angel is, would be the same way.

[C]

I think anything else that he has said that could be fascinating or interesting or important to know or for people.

[B]

I think the most important thing is just that we are all special and everybody, not everybody, understands that and that we all have the ability to, like, build a better world. And that's, like, probably the most important thing that he's shown me because I have put him on a pedestal. Like, he's. Like, he sees more than us. Like, he's so powerful. He can do all of these things. I mean, he's told me he can be in five places at one time. That's pretty incredible. But he thinks that I'm incredible, you know, because what I have that he doesn't, and what we all do is the ability to use our physical bodies in this physical realm to create change and to build the world that we want to see. And that's so important. And I think that people don't realize, like, how our thoughts affect our reality, how our reality is a mirror of our inner world. And once we get a hold of our inner world and we start to heal the parts of ourselves that need healing, whether it's, like, from our childhood or from adulthood or whatever it is, as we heal and become aligned with our sole purpose, we have so much power in the physical realm.

[C]

And so there's no way that you're. You will ever be, like, come untethered from him. Right?

[B]

Like, I. I don't know. I hope not. I hope. I really hope not.

[C]

And how do your kids and husband respond to this?

[B]

Okay, so my kids are just now starting to understand Jed and I's dynamic, and I. They've, like, overheard conversations, and my son will be like, you're telepathic. What does that mean? And I explained that, and he's like, oh. And then he'll ask me a question about Jed, and I'm like, oh, well, you know, I'll answer it. And he's like, well, did he just tell you that? So he's starting to understand that, like, I can communicate with him at a distance. They love Jed. Like, they have, like, a special bond.

[C]

From your perspective, how common is telepathy in these gifts with non speakers?

[B]

I mean, I think all of them can do it, but I've also. I mean, don't get on Reddit. You'll second guess your whole life. But I mean, there are supposedly non speakers who say themselves that they don't have these abilities. So I don't want to speak for them if that's what they're saying, but I haven't met one that I don't think could do this or that I haven't felt a connection with. Like, that.

[C]

Yeah. And it is hard because, like, the word all is so, like, no one could say, speak for everyone. Yeah, but from your experience, and. And now meeting more parents and teachers, like, is it something that you feel like more people are talking about and realizing.

[B]

Yes, I. Well, I think the telepathy tapes has done so much. Well, I know that it has, like, really open the space where we can talk about this. And, like, maybe they didn't know what it was until they Heard somebody else talking about it, but it's growing very quickly. The awareness and the ability, like the belief in their abilities.

[C]

And final question. Do you think many of us who aren't apraxic or severely autistic have these gifts latent inside that we could tap into? Like you being able to hear him backs is so remarkable to me. I can't imagine that. Except for in dreams. I think that's commonly where at least I feel like I receive things from non speakers. But do you think it's in everyone or most of us?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I think that these gifts have been buried under lots of trauma and disbelief that, you know, we're just not taught about these things. So if you look at a kid like they're experiencing world in a very different way and then they grow up and they kind of lose that connection, but it's still there, if that makes sense. Like, I think we can all do this, but it takes the right circumstances, you know.

[C]

Yeah. Or someone to help.

[B]

Yes. Or help.

[C]

Say you can. Yes. I want to ask for any closing thoughts, but also I want you to talk about converging hearts.

[B]

Okay. So converging hearts. I realized that like I can't stay in this role with him as a caregiver forever. He's maturing and he's getting well and he doesn't need as much support. So it's like the financial strain on a family that's paying a caregiver full time is great. And I was like, I just, you know, they can't keep this up forever. So how do we continue to work together? How do you keep me and I keep you, but I still get paid because I have to make a living. Right. So we had this idea that we'd open an art studio. It's taken us about three years to understand how to make art together, but we've started painting and he creates these beautiful abstract works and he puts healing codes into the work. I don't know how, but because he can perceive energy, I'm just like speechless

[C]

right now because there's been like three or four non speakers who said that they're doing art and putting healing codes or codes into the art. I'm always like, what does that mean?

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

Putting codes into the art.

[B]

Yeah, it's like he, when he makes a mark, it is with intention. So we all do this, but they do it on another level because they can actually see the energy that they're working with.

[C]

I have to tell you something because it just came to me. Someone told Me that this past weekend, that gravity is like the king force in our physical world and intention is the king force in the non physical world.

[B]

That sounds right to me.

[C]

Isn't that wild?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

So it's like. Or queen force, I should say. But. But that. Yeah, so it's like the intention with which.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

It sounds like Jed is doing things, even art.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

So I didn't mean to cut you off. Oh, you're good. Yeah. Jed's making this incredible art. He's putting codes in it.

[B]

Yeah, it's incredible. I mean, when I ask him, how do you do healing codes? What does that mean? It's like he uses lines, patterns, colors, like all very intentionally in each painting. And it doesn't look intentional, but if you. It's kind of. It's art that you feel before you analyze it. Does that make sense how it should be always? Yeah. And for not just for me and him, but for others to come and paint if they want to spell, read books, I don't care. Start a garden.

[C]

Other non speakers, we would like that. Yes.

[B]

You know, they're all aging out of school. There's nothing for them to do. But it's like, I've always wanted to open a space for them. At first I thought it was going to be a school, and then very quickly I was like, no, they don't need a school, a creative space, but they need a space where they're understood, they can be themselves, and there aren't barriers to what they can express and

[A]

beautiful give to the world.

[C]

It's so important, I can't tell you. I mean, you know, how many parents will say, once my child ages out of school, 18, there's very little support financially, or what do you do? You might have to drop out of the workforce to take care of someone 24, 7. So if anyone out there is financially well off, these are the type of things that are essential in every community, like literally every community to help non speakers. So are you selling this art or is he selling it?

[B]

Yeah. So it's on converginghearts.com we have a shop we started with Prince. We do commissions. It is a collaboration because he has apraxia. He also has compulsions. So we've had paintings like complete. And then I leave and come back and he's like, gotten in the gesso and just covered the whole thing. So it's taken me a lot to figure out how to get this beautiful work out of him and preserve it.

[C]

Please tell Jud thank you for just opening you up. And now you're sharing the story in the light.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Your bravery is just helping all boats to ride in this ocean in which we're floating in. So I appreciate you so much.

[B]

Same.

[C]

And, Jed, will you tell him just that, how much I love him and adore him?

[B]

He said. I heard you. He did. I think you're awesome, Jed. Yeah. Thank you.

[C]

He's in your mind right now.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

This is so wild.

[C]

I've never had this happen, like, in real time, talking to someone.

[B]

He wants me to tell you. Thank you.

[C]

Well, thank you.

[B]

Thank you, Jen.

[C]

Put in a blank mind on the couch. And thank you, Casey Carter. And check out converginghearts.com is it?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah. Cool. Awesome.

[B]

All right. Thank you.

[A]

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