The Telepathy Tapes – Talk Tracks Ep. 16: "The Story of Jes and Asher"

Podcast Host: Ky Dickens
Release Date: August 17, 2025

Episode Overview

In this powerful installment of Talk Tracks, host Ky Dickens reconnects with Jess Curzon, an educator whose career—and life—was transformed by the extraordinary, telepathic connection she developed with her former student, Asher. Through decades of friendship, Jess and Asher navigated the invisible realms of communication beyond words, with Asher emerging as both a spiritual teacher and a testament to the hidden strengths of non-speaking autistic individuals. Jess recounts their journey from classroom telepathy experiments to profound spiritual lessons, inviting listeners to question the boundaries of perception, language, and society's interpretation of autistic gifts.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jess’s Introduction to Telepathy in the Classroom

• Jess began as a teacher in a school for children with speech and language challenges, many of whom were autistic.
• She noticed unusual, wordless communication among the students, with Asher orchestrating much of it:
  • Jess (02:24): “It suddenly dawned on me these little kids are communicating with each other through telepathy. Asher was the ringleader of this… I wanted in on this, I wanted to understand what was going on.”
• Students communicated their needs to Jess telepathically—she describes hearing Max’s voice in her head asking for help.

2. The Unique Bond Between Jess and Asher

• Asher, at age 6, told Jess they had made a soul agreement before birth to work together.
• Their relationship evolved: Jess became Asher’s lifelong friend and, later, his “scribe,” transcribing his complex telepathic and spiritual messages into language.
  • Jess (04:02): “Our relationship more or less flipped so that I’m now the student and he is… my spiritual teacher.”
  • Asher struggles with spoken language’s limitations; telepathy conveys his ideas more fully.

3. Navigating Grief and Spiritual Connection

• Asher’s mother, Nina, passed when he was nine. Before her death, she enlisted Jess to remain in Asher’s life.
• Jess describes an episode where she received telepathic messages—via physical pain—from Nina warning her about danger in Asher’s life. She ultimately intervened to help Asher avoid negative influences (06:30 – 13:53).
  • Jess (06:18): “The message she wanted to share… was that Asher was in danger and she had felt the need to sort of come back from the beyond to warn me…”
• Nina, through further spiritual contact, confirmed to Jess details of Asher’s last visit with her—information only Nina would know.

4. Demonstrating Psychic Abilities

• On train journeys, Asher coached Jess in intention-based phenomena, such as moving a water bottle “without touching it” by visualization and intention. Life, Asher explained, “joins up the dots to get what you want.” (16:28)
  • Jess (16:28): “He said, ‘see it where you want it to be…’ and then the guard just picked up the bottle and set it in front of me.”
• Asher revealed to Jess—via a secret note as a child—that he knew he was profoundly different, possessing knowledge and awareness others could not comprehend.

5. Metaphysics, Soul, and Incarnation

• Asher described the soul as a carnation flower, with each petal a different lifetime—all overlapping beyond linear time.
  • Jess (26:10): “He calls them astral envelopes… He said, if you imagine your greater self as a carnation flower, each petal is one life… they all interact with each other.”
• Jess learned: “We are the creators of our own lives. Our earthly existence is a temporary manifestation of a greater spirit self.”

6. Pathologizing the Extraordinary

• Asher’s visions and knowledge were dismissed as “delusions” by medical professionals, leading him to suppress these gifts during his teens.
  • Jess (26:10): “This doctor just turned around and… said, 'Yep, those are called delusions, son… Your brain isn’t working right.'”
• The world isn’t ready; Asher and Jess have to “mask,” living double lives—one in mainstream society, one in a hidden world of psychic connection.

7. Validation Through Remote Viewing

• Jess introduces Asher to remote viewing as adults—he excels, accurately describing objects and distant locations, including future events and double-blind experiments.
• This restores Asher’s confidence in his abilities and rejects earlier dismissals by authority figures.

8. Language vs. Telepathy

• Asher, via telepathy, articulates why he avoids relying on words:
  • Asher (via Jess, paraphrased, 39:45): “Words are frozen thoughts… like hurling lumps of ice at someone. They can hurt. Sending my thoughts to you is like a cloud of water vapor… you condense them into liquid. You pick up a gestalt; I can send feelings, sensations, memories, and context—it flows.”

9. Spiritual Realms and Source

• Asher describes his experiences visiting realms “beyond time and space,” conveying images and feelings of unity, friendship, and profound connectedness.
• He avoids the label “God,” preferring “Light” or “Source”—seeing all beings as fractal aspects of Source.

10. The Coming Shift

• Asher (through Jess): Society is in the midst of a shift—a necessary awakening to the latent abilities and wisdom of the autistic population.
• Schopenhauer’s three stages of truth—ridicule, violent opposition, and self-evidence—frame Asher’s hope for future acceptance:
  • Jess (42:58): “His overall aim is the shift has started… we need to be building a society that’s more inclusive… autistic population… not just believed, but actually used and become part of our society.”
• Asher’s message: We must embrace our creative power, integrate these abilities, and recognize ourselves as creators—whether moving a water bottle or shaping our lives.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jess on Realizing Telepathy in the Classroom (02:24):
  “It suddenly dawned on me these little kids are communicating with each other through telepathy. Asher was the ringleader of this… I wanted in on this.”

• Asher’s Soul Agreement (04:02):
  “He basically told me that we had planned to work together during this lifetime. And he remembered us making a deal before he was born.”

• On Telepathic Language (39:45):
  “Words are frozen thoughts… like hurling lumps of ice at someone. They’re cold and heavy and they can hurt. Sending my thoughts to you is like sending a cloud of water vapor… You pick up a gestalt, and I can send feelings, sensations, memories, and a context along with the meaning. And it flows.”
  (Asher, channeled through Jess)

• Carnation Metaphor for Incarnation (26:10):
  “If you imagine your greater self as a carnation flower, each petal on it is one life… all interact with each other… So when you’ve got your spirit self, you’ve just got this mass of different petals all interacting.”

• Dismissal by Professionals (26:10):
  “The doctor just turned around and smiled… ‘Yep, yeah, they’re called delusions, son… Your brain isn’t working right’… And at that point, he just shut the door on all of that for a long time.”

• On Manifestation and Intention (16:28):
  “Just visualize, intend for, focus on where you want it to be… Life joins up the dots to get what you want.”
  (Asher, relayed by Jess)

• On Societal Shift & Acceptance (42:58):
  “We need to be building a society that’s more inclusive, that’s allowing for the talents and abilities and general amazingness of the autistic population to be not just believed, but actually used and become part of our society.”

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Jess explains discovering telepathy in the classroom: 02:09 – 03:37
• Soul agreement & becoming Asher’s scribe: 04:02 – 06:18
• Contact with Asher’s mother after death: 06:18 – 13:53
• Intention experiment on the train: 16:28 – 18:40
• Asher’s secret note—“I am different from everybody”: 19:55 – 22:00
• Carnation metaphor & incarnations: 26:10 – 28:40
• Medical dismissal as “delusions”: 28:40 – 33:00
• Remote viewing & reclaiming psychic identity: 33:00 – 36:00
• Telepathic language as “cloud of water vapor”: 39:45 – 41:40
• The coming shift, societal inclusion, spiritual outlook: 42:58 – end

Tone & Style

The conversation is deeply earnest, intimate, and sometimes poetic, with Jess speaking candidly about awe, skepticism, vulnerability, and the emotional intensity of both teaching and learning from Asher. Ky Dickens maintains a tone of open-minded inquiry, encouraging Jess’s storytelling and reflection. The episode balances personal anecdote with philosophical exploration, questioning what society defines as “real” or “possible.”

Conclusion

This episode reveals a rich, enduring partnership forged in defiance of convention—where teacher becomes student and skeptical mind must remain open. Jess and Asher’s story shines as a testament to the unseen capabilities of autistic individuals, the transformative power of nonverbal connection, and the vast possibilities awaiting a society ready to embrace neurodiversity. As the series insists, to “prepare to be captivated, challenged, and ultimately transformed,” listeners are left with fresh questions—and a sense of wonder—about the uncharted potential within all of us.