Podcast Summary: The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep. 16: The Story of Jes and Asher
Host: Kai Dickens
Guest: Jess Curzon
Release Date: August 17, 2025
Overview: Exploring Unspoken Realities
This episode delves deeply into the extraordinary decades-long relationship between retired teacher Jess Curzon and her former student Asher, a nonspeaking autistic boy from Somerset, England, whose telepathic and spiritual gifts have profoundly challenged and expanded the boundaries of conventional reality. With honesty, warmth, and humility, Jess describes how Asher transformed from a misunderstood child in her class to her spiritual teacher, shifting her worldview and offering glimpses into the untapped potential of non-speakers with autism. Kai Dickens guides the discussion, focusing on themes of telepathy, spiritual insight, trust, the rejection and eventual acceptance of the extraordinary, and the urgent need for society to recognize these hidden gifts.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. From Teacher to Student: How Jess Met Asher and Discovered Classroom Telepathy
[02:17 - 04:25]
- Jess began teaching at a school for children with speech and language difficulties, where a new 6-year-old student, Asher, exhibited a clear, non-verbal influence on classmates.
- She recounts the moment of realization that her students were communicating telepathically:
“I'd be reading a story to the class and they'd all be sort of giggling to themselves and they'd never done that before. It suddenly dawned on me, these little kids are communicating with each other through telepathy. Nasha was the ringleader of this, that I wanted in on this.” — Jess Curzon [02:47]
- Highlights the progression from observing, to actively participating in, telepathic exchanges (“I could actually hear his little voice in my head when he wanted my attention.” — Jess [03:12]).
2. The Spiritual Pact: A Relationship Spanning Lifetimes
[04:25 - 06:41]
- Asher tells Jess they had agreed, before his birth, to work together — a concept Jess found intriguing and accepted.
- Their relationship evolves:
“Over the years, relationships more or less flipped over so that I'm now the student and he is, well, my spiritual teacher in a way. And I'm also his scribe, because he chooses not to ... He just sends it all as thoughts into my mind.” — Jess Curzon [04:25]
- Jess describes how Asher’s difficulty with spoken language meant he would convey spiritual insights to her telepathically, leaving Jess to “find words for it.”
3. A Mother’s Unfinished Business: Messages from Beyond
[06:41 - 18:06]
- Asher’s mother, Nina, passes away when Asher is nine, leaving Jess with a solemn promise to “keep an eye on him.”
- Jess recounts a series of supernatural experiences (excruciating pain in her left knee, associated with spiritual events) that make her realize Nina is trying to warn her about a danger in Asher’s life.
- Jess discovers Asher’s involvement with older kids in troubled circumstances and helps steer him to safety — crediting the message to Nina’s intervention:
“The message she wanted to share with me was that Asher was in danger. And she had felt the need to sort of come back from the beyond to warn me ... And we got it sorted. But that was come down to his mum.” — Jess Curzon [07:52]
- After several years, when Asher is a teen, Jess is able to relay details from Nina (through a spiritual communication) about Asher’s last conversation with his mother, providing healing and closure:
“I was actually able to write down that conversation for Ash. ... I wrote it all down, put it in a envelope and handed it to Asher and said, message from your mum. She got it after all.” — Jess Curzon [13:57]
4. Demonstrations of Intention, Telekinesis, and the Hidden Life of the Telepathic
[18:06 - 24:11]
- Jess and Asher perform an experiment on a train — focusing their intent to “move” a water bottle, which is ultimately relocated by a train guard in a moment they experience as a manifestation of intention.
“He said, well, you know, it was intention, and it was just focusing on where you wanted it to be... It's just life joining up the dots.” — Jess Curzon (recounting Asher’s response) [19:35]
- Asher’s profound sense of difference (“I am different from everybody”) emerges early, documented in a scrap of paper he nervously passes to Jess.
“He just sort of sat there ... grabbed a little scrap of paper... wrote secretly on it ... thrust it into my hand and ran out of the room. ... It said, 'I am different from everybody.'” — Jess Curzon [21:24]
- Asher’s shock learning most people have no awareness of other realms or dimensions, and his drive to “train” Jess so she could help share these experiences.
“The second thing that really mattered to him was finding out what other people found when they went off to these other realms ... It came as an absolute shock to him that most people were totally unaware of all of that.” — Jess Curzon [23:22]
5. Spiritual Worldview and Soul Agreements
[26:55 - 31:00]
- Asher teaches Jess expansive spiritual concepts: life as one petal on a soul’s carnation flower, simultaneous incarnations, and the interconnectedness of soul families.
- Jess describes Asher’s use of imagery and telepathic “envelopes” to convey complex, wordless teachings.
“He calls them astral envelopes ... the one he sent me for different incarnations and how they all fit together was the carnation flower. ... Each petal on it is one life.” — Jess Curzon [27:12]
6. Pathology and the Dismissal of Gifts
[31:00 - 33:40]
- Asher is told by a doctor that visions and spiritual experiences are “delusions” associated with autism, prompting him to doubt himself and suppress his abilities.
“...the doctor just turned around and smiled, nodded his head sagely and said, ‘Yep, yeah, they're called delusions, son. ... It's not real ... your brain isn't working right, it's not like everybody else's brain.’” — Jess Curzon [30:57]
- Jess is dismayed but persists as the only voice supporting Asher’s experiences, helping him regain belief in his gifts after years of internal conflict.
7. Railroads to the Extraordinary: Remote Viewing and Concrete Evidence
[33:40 - 38:55]
- Jess introduces Asher to remote viewing, leading to a series of successful tests that provide him with direct, tangible proof of his abilities.
“Of course, he was absolutely incredible at [remote viewing] ... finally it was. That doctor didn't know what he was talking about, did he? No, he did not.” — Jess Curzon [35:45]
- Asher even displays abilities to "remote view" into the future, accurately describing unknown locations Jess will visit.
- The ongoing challenge of "masking" — living a dual existence, hiding his abilities from society while privately developing them with Jess.
8. The Limits of Words, the Freedom of Thought
[38:55 - 41:12]
- Asher’s perspective (shared through telepathy):
“Words are frozen thought, may become solid and intractable, like hurling lumps of ice at someone. ... Sending my thoughts to you is like sending a cloud of water vapor. They don’t take form until they reach your mind. There you condense them into a liquid state and they become a joint process between us.” — (Asher, via Jess) [39:46]
9. Visions of Source, Inclusion, and the Next Human Shift
[41:12 - 43:53]
- Asher’s teachings envision a conscious universe (“Source”), with every human being a fractal element—capable of creation, including intentional manifestation.
- His reluctance to use the word ‘God’, instead describing ‘light’ or ‘source’, and emphasizing unity and creative power.
- The need for broader societal inclusion and acceptance of autistic and telepathic gifts:
“We need to be building a society that's more inclusive, that's allowing for the talents and abilities and general amazingness of the autistic population ... Because these people have got something that will be really helpful to us.” — Jess Curzon [43:06]
- Quoting Schopenhauer on the stages of truth:
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it's ridiculed. Second, it's violently opposed. And third, it's accepted as being self-evident.” — Jess Curzon [42:29]
- Reflections on how the “shift” has begun, but further awakening is needed.
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
- On Realizing Telepathy:
“These little kids are communicating with each other through telepathy. Nasha was the ringleader of this, that I wanted in on this.” — Jess Curzon [02:47]
- On Their Spiritual Pact:
“He basically told me that we had planned to work together during this lifetime and he remembered us making a deal before he was born.” — Jess Curzon [04:25]
- On Intention and ‘Moving’ the Water Bottle:
“It’s just life joining up the dots to get what you want.” — (Asher, via Jess) [19:35]
- On the Painful Doctor’s Dismissal:
“They’re called delusions, son. ... Next time it happens, just remind yourself that it’s not true.” — (doctor, relayed by Jess) [31:19]
- On Telepathy vs. Words:
“Words are frozen thought ... Sending my thoughts to you is like sending a cloud of water vapor. They don’t take form until they reach your mind.” — (Asher, via Jess) [39:46]
- On Souls and Incarnations:
“Each petal on [the carnation] is one life. ... They all interact with each other.” — Jess Curzon [27:12]
- On Societal Transformation:
“[We need] a society that’s more inclusive ... Because these people have got something that will be really helpful to us.” — Jess Curzon [43:06]
Timestamps for Key Segments
- [02:17] Jess describes her first encounters with telepathy in the classroom
- [04:25] Asher’s declaration of a pre-birth pact and life mission with Jess
- [06:41] Nina’s passing and first supernatural intervention
- [13:57] The message from Nina in the afterlife
- [18:06] The “intention” experiment: moving the water bottle
- [21:24] Asher’s revelation: “I am different from everybody.”
- [26:55] Asher’s spiritual lessons: incarnations and soul families
- [31:00] Medical pathologizing of Asher’s abilities
- [33:40] Remote viewing experiments and breaking through disbelief
- [39:46] Asher’s telepathic view of language
- [42:29] Schopenhauer’s “three stages of truth” and the call for inclusion
Tone & Style
- Deeply personal and honest; Jess is humble, self-deprecating, astonished by her own experiences, and always gives credit to Asher.
- Kai maintains a curious, validating presence, gently drawing Jess out and framing the story for a skeptical-but-open-minded audience.
- The episode moves seamlessly between the mystically profound, the heartbreakingly human, and the trenchantly critical of societal and medical limitations regarding autism and spiritual gifts.
For Listeners Who Haven’t Heard the Episode
This episode is both a revelatory and intimate portrait of a relationship that transcends traditional boundaries—showcasing the day-to-day, emotional, and metaphysical journeys of a teacher and her now-adult student. It questions the limitations of spoken language, invites open-minded skepticism about the unexplained, and makes a compelling case for re-examining our definitions of “disability,” “delusion,” and “reality.” Jess and Asher’s journey offers real hope: that embracing the extraordinary in others might expand what is possible for us all.