TALK TRACKS EP: 2 Exploring Animal Telepathy with Ditte Young

Summary

The Telepathy Tapes: Talk Tracks Episode 2 - Exploring Animal Telepathy with Dita Young

Release Date: February 2, 2025

Introduction

In the second episode of Talk Tracks, a companion series to The Telepathy Tapes, host Ky Dickens delves deeper into the enigmatic world of animal telepathy. This episode, titled "Exploring Animal Telepathy with Dita Young," features a captivating conversation with renowned telepathic animal communicator Dita Young. Through compelling stories and firsthand accounts from elite equestrians, Dickens and Young illuminate the profound, often inexplicable connections between humans and animals.

Meeting Dita Young and Emily Koenig

The episode opens with Dickens introducing Dita Young, a seasoned telepathic animal communicator, TEDx speaker, and author of four books. Young has garnered acclaim for her work with Olympic and national team riders globally, assisting them in forging deeper bonds with their horses through telepathic means.

Kai Dickens [00:59]: "Today we're meeting Dita Young. She's a renowned telepathic animal communicator, TEDX speaker, and author of four books."

One of the first stories shared involves Emily Koenig, a 23-year-old Danish showjumping rider. Emily recounts her struggles with a champion pony who refused to perform water jumps—a critical element in competitions.

Emily Koenig [04:02]: "I had this pony who won everything he could win and I was totally in love with this horse, but couldn't figure out why it couldn't jump these water jumps with me, but could with the girl before."

Desperate for a solution, Emily's mother introduces her to Dita Young. Skeptical at first, Emily becomes a believer after Young accurately describes a vision Emily had about her horse's fear of the water jumps. Young's telepathic insights reveal that the horse perceived a risk to Emily's knees, leading to a medical diagnosis of arthritis in Emily—information Emily was initially unaware of.

Dita Young [06:14]: "Her pony told me, 'It's like, I can't. The sun reflects on the water, and I'm afraid that I'm gonna, you know, fall.'"

This revelation not only resolves Emily's immediate challenge but also strengthens the trust between rider and horse, highlighting the tangible benefits of telepathic communication.

Helen Begide Farbort's Olympic Journey

The narrative progresses with the introduction of Helen Begide Farbort, a Norwegian dressage rider with two Olympic qualifications and three national championships. Helen shares her experience with Tahenia, her Olympic-qualified horse, who suffered from claustrophobic anxiety during long trailer journeys.

Helen Begide Farbort [18:01]: "We were we had a lot of issues loading her in the trailer or in the truck. She was a big horse and she had some claustrophobic anxiety when she was in the truck."

Upon consulting Young, the telepathic communicator discerns that Tahenia is out of balance during transport. Through telepathic guidance, Young advises Helen on strategies to alleviate Tahenia's anxiety, leading to improved performance and a silver medal at the Norwegian Championship.

Helen Begide Farbort [20:02]: "I drove all the way to Norway, and she was standing there like she had never done in her life. And we got a silver medal at the Norwegian Championship, which was also our main goal."

Helen emphasizes the indispensable role Young played in her success, underscoring the effectiveness of telepathic communication in high-stakes athletic environments.

A Personal Journey: Communicating with Tucker

Transitioning from elite equestrian stories, Dickens shares a deeply personal narrative about his family's rescue dog, Tucker. Facing Tucker's severe behavioral issues and medical conditions, Dickens sought Young's help to understand his dog's state of mind through telepathy.

Kai Dickens [24:05]: "We started wondering if he just didn't like us or maybe didn't even want to be alive. I actually started recording some of our conversations about it so the kids would have context about what we were going through."

During a remote session, Young connects with Tucker, uncovering his past traumas and insecurities. She reveals that Tucker had experienced neglect and multiple previous owners, leading to his distrust and anxiety in his new home.

Dita Young [27:02]: "He keeps asking me, 'Am I here to stay, am I here to stay or do I have to get into a new home?' So, I told him, 'You are here to stay. This is your new family.'"

Implementing Young's insights, Dickens and his family adjust their interactions with Tucker, providing him with the structure and reassurance he desperately needs. Over time, these changes result in noticeable improvements in Tucker's behavior and overall well-being.

Kai Dickens [38:04]: "After all of this, I've come to fully believe that some animal communicators like Dita Young are the real deal in ways I don't understand."

Reflections on Belief and Impact

Concluding the episode, Dickens reflects on the broader implications of telepathic communication. He posits that belief in such abilities may be secondary to the tangible positive changes they bring about.

Kai Dickens [40:34]: "Whether or not someone believes in animal communication doesn't really matter. Many philosophers agree that something is real if it produces an effect or alters the state of the world."

Dickens emphasizes that the transformative impact on relationships, both human-animal and among individuals, signifies the realness of these telepathic connections, regardless of scientific validation.

Conclusion

Episode 2 of Talk Tracks offers a profound exploration of animal telepathy through authentic stories and expert insights. By showcasing the remarkable experiences of riders like Emily Koenig and Helen Begide Farbort, alongside personal anecdotes from Dickens himself, the episode underscores the potential of telepathic communication to enhance human-animal relationships. Dita Young's compelling testimonies challenge conventional perceptions, inviting listeners to reconsider the boundaries of communication and connection.

As the series progresses, Talk Tracks continues to unravel the intricate threads that weave together our understanding of reality, urging an open-minded approach to the extraordinary capabilities residing within those often underestimated.

Notable Quotes

• Emily Koenig [04:02]: "I had this pony who won everything he could win and I was totally in love with this horse, but couldn't figure out why it couldn't jump these water jumps with me, but could with the girl before."

• Dita Young [06:14]: "Her pony told me, 'It's like, I can't. The sun reflects on the water, and I'm afraid that I'm gonna, you know, fall.'"

• Helen Begide Farbort [20:02]: "We got a silver medal at the Norwegian Championship, which was also our main goal."

• Kai Dickens [38:04]: "After all of this, I've come to fully believe that some animal communicators like Dita Young are the real deal in ways I don't understand."

• Kai Dickens [40:34]: "Whether or not someone believes in animal communication doesn't really matter. Many philosophers agree that something is real if it produces an effect or alters the state of the world."

Final Thoughts

Talk Tracks Episode 2 masterfully blends storytelling with investigative dialogue, offering listeners a rich and engaging narrative on the possibilities of animal telepathy. By presenting verifiable successes and emotional journeys, the episode not only entertains but also provokes thoughtful contemplation about the unseen connections that shape our interactions with the animal kingdom.

Transcript

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[Kai Dickens]

Hi everyone, I'm Kai Dickens and I'm thrilled to welcome you to the Talk Tracks. In this series we dive deeper into the revelations, challenges and unexpected truths from the telepathy tapes. The goal is to explore all the threads that weave together our understanding of reality, science, spirituality, and yes, even unexplained things like psi abilities. If you haven't yet listened to season one of the telepathy tapes, I encourage you to start there. It lays the foundation for everything we'll be exploring in this journey. We'll feature conversations with groundbreaking researchers, thinkers, non speakers and experiencers who illuminate the extraordinary connections that may defy explanation today, but won't for long. Today we're meeting Dieta Young. She's a renowned telepathic animal communicator, TEDX speaker, and author of four books. Dita has achieved incredible success working with Olympic and National team riders from all over the world, helping them to build deeper connections with their animals through her unique telepathic abilities. Her groundbreaking work offers fascinating insights into the emotional and telepathic bonds between humans and animals. I first met Dieta over three years ago in Copenhagen when I was solely focused on telepathy in non speaking individuals. Dita has a non speaking son, Philip, and she experiences telepathy with him.

[Dita Young]

Philip is my child. He's 16 years old. He was born blind and now he has some visual. He has minor brain damage as well and he's autistic. He has the verbal language but need a lot of support from me to practice that language. So he finds telepathy a lot easier with me and he knows that I'm capable of practicing telepathy with him. So when he's sitting in his room he calls for me in my head. And when I enter his room, he could have a nosebleed or his iPad is malfunctioning and he actually needs my help. So that's my little wonder child.

[Kai Dickens]

When we were getting acquainted, she brought up her work as an animal communicator. But at that time I just didn't think it was possible. And I think it's because of that old fashioned notion in my mind that animals aren't capable of language. And at this point it's as if my brain could only comprehend. Telepathy was possible with non speakers, but Dieta and I kept in contact and as my worldview and paradigm shifted, my stance softened. And today we'll meet Dieta and two incredible national team riders who she's helped through telepathy with their horses.

[Emily Koenig]

My name is Emily Koenig. I'm a Danish showjumping rider and I'm 23 years old. I'm competing with the national showjumping team for under 20 and right now I'm most known for my horse Jacinda. And we have together won the Nordic championships for teams two times.

[Kai Dickens]

Now Emily is one of two riders that we'll meet today as we explore whether it's possible for humans to telepathically communicate with animals.

[Emily Koenig]

I had this pony who won everything he could win and I was totally in love with this horse, but couldn't figure out why it couldn't jump these water jumps with me, but could with the girl before.

[Kai Dickens]

So there's this champion pony who would happily do water jumps with various riders, but just wouldn't do them with Emily.

[Emily Koenig]

Every time I would ride up to this jump, I could feel him tense up, but couldn't decide, okay, what did he look at? I nearly gave up on this relationship with the horse. I think I was 11 or 12. My mom came to me and said, hey, I found this woman on Facebook. She said she can speak to horses. And I was like, okay. I was very skeptical in the beginning.

[Kai Dickens]

The woman they found was Dita Young.

[Dita Young]

My name is Dita Young. I'm located in Copenhagen, Denmark. I've been working as an animal communicator for the last 27 years.

[Kai Dickens]

So Dita comes into Emily's life to determine why this pony won't do water jumps with her.

[Dita Young]

Emily had a lot of trainers and a lot of sports and mental coaches, and her mom heard of me and this alternative way of working around the ponies because you, you ride on a pony till the age of 16 and then you swap to horses in the, in the equine industry. Emily had this huge problem that one of her ponies wouldn't jump over water, and that's required during these competitions. It just stopped. And it's pretty dangerous to stop while you're at full speed ahead because she. She's going to fall out.

[Emily Koenig]

I already had in my head, without speaking to her about it, that it was like broken glass he was looking at and couldn't see the bottom of where the water began and where it stopped. The first time she stood in our stable, Dita told me stuff about me and my horse that only a veterinarian would know.

[Kai Dickens]

And even more notable to Emily, Dieta accurately stated the vision Emily was already having, making her wonder if the vision was hers or coming from her horse.

[Emily Koenig]

Of where the water began and where it stopped.

[Dita Young]

Her pony told me, it's like, I can't. The sun reflects on the water, and I'm afraid that I'm gonna, you know, fall. So I'm actually taking care of Emily, so if she can measure it for me and I'm gonna jump, like, blindfolded, I think I might do it. And I told this to Emily and she did it, and it worked. And she was just bawling her eyes out, and the information came to me in pictures and thoughts into my own head.

[Emily Koenig]

And, yeah, I started to believe a.

[Dita Young]

Bit more and a bit more.

[Emily Koenig]

But there, when I was 16, I really started to be like, holy shit, where does my horse know this from?

[Kai Dickens]

So now, years later, at the age of 16, there's another horse who won't do jumps with Emily. As a refresher, Emily is a Danish national show jumping rider. So jumping is kind of her thing. And similar to the last story, this new horse would do jumps with other people, just not with her.

[Emily Koenig]

Like, it wouldn't jump the bigger jumps with me.

[Kai Dickens]

So once again, she called in Dita, and the horse communicated that he was.

[Dita Young]

Trying to protect Emily because he felt that she was inflammatory in her entire body, especially in her knees. And that's where you have contact.

[Kai Dickens]

Emily is only 16 at the time, so having inflammation around her entire body and in her knees didn't make much sense, especially because Emily wasn't feeling any pain.

[Emily Koenig]

My horse was telling me that I had warm knees. I couldn't feel it myself that I was hurting, but my horse could feel it for me.

[Kai Dickens]

What does warm knees mean? I don't know that term.

[Emily Koenig]

Oh, my knees would get warm and swollen.

[Kai Dickens]

Oh, just warm. Okay. Like temperature warm. Okay.

[Emily Koenig]

Yeah, exactly.

[Kai Dickens]

The horse was afraid to go over the jumps because it's like it knew it would hurt your knees.

[Emily Koenig]

He wouldn't jump because he thought it would hurt me and not him.

[Dita Young]

And I remember inflammatory. And I remember I told her, I think you should. I should. You should go check this out with the doctor. And then she came back with arthritis.

[Kai Dickens]

Which is amazing because she's not even. She's not even 20. Right. She's very young. Yeah.

[Dita Young]

There's something called children arthritis.

[Kai Dickens]

This is so fascinating. So your horse could feel your arthritis basically before you could even.

[Emily Koenig]

Yeah. In the beginning, we didn't know it was arthritis.

[Kai Dickens]

And how did the horse convey that he was worried about her knees? Like, was that through images or was it through again, like more of like a language you were interpreting?

[Dita Young]

It was a language and an emotion where I felt comfort for her and the need for. I just want to protect you, Emily. So I just translated that. Your pony, you know, wants to protect you.

[Emily Koenig]

My horse told me that he wasn't comfortable doing big jumps with me anymore because he thought it would hurt me.

[Kai Dickens]

The family began trying various medications for Emily. And as wild as this sounds, the horse would convey to Dieta, the animal communicator, if the medication was working even before the doctors would know.

[Dita Young]

I do remember that the horse told me, that's not it. That's not the medicine yet. Keep testing it. I'm not her psychiatrist. I'm not the doctor. I just told her, go seek the doctor and ask if this makes sense. And eventually we found the right medicine. And she will always suffer from arthritis. But I do know that they got the right medicine and the biggest pain issues was removed.

[Kai Dickens]

Today, Emily is still riding for the Danish national team and will hopefully qualify for the 2028 Olympics in Los Angeles. And Dita is still in their lives and helping with their horses.

[Emily Koenig]

Last year, I came home from a competition, and one of my competition horses had a couple of days off, and suddenly she started breaking out in these kind of hot spots over her body. And then there was another one and another one, and it just kept spreading out. At first, we had one veterinarian out to take some tests, and they came back unclear. Then we got another veterinarian out. We sent out tests. The results come back unclear. And it went on for three weeks. And suddenly we had 20 horses with these kind of weird spots over their bodies. And me and my mom was just pulling out our hair. We couldn't figure it out, what it was. Nothing helped.

[Kai Dickens]

So they called in DT Young once again.

[Dita Young]

She told me she had 25 horses because they sell horses. As well that has gotten sick. And people were frustrated, desperate. There was such a bad energy in the stables. And I tuned in, like, one huge energy from mine to theirs, asking them, what's going on in the stable? And it was like a mutual calling back to me, like a tone of a voice in my head saying, we suffer from too much water. There is water allergy going on. And I was like, water allergy? Can this be true? And I told the mom, you need to look this up. If this could be water allergy, you.

[Emily Koenig]

Told us, I think you need to change the bedding.

[Dita Young]

The bedding in the entire stable. And that is very, very expensive.

[Emily Koenig]

And why the bedding? And he told us, it's. It's too wet.

[Dita Young]

The mom said, no, I will not do that. Did it. And I told her, well, then don't. But you need. You need to trust me on this one. And actually, I was a little bit afraid because I knew that was going to cost her a lot of money. And she did it. And she sent in testing for water allergy to Germany to another hospital down there. 24 hours later, she called me back and said, you did it again. D. They just got tested and tested positive for water allergy. And a week later, after they did exchange the beddings for 25 horses, she called me and said, we have 25 healthy horses now.

[Kai Dickens]

Stories like this are transformative for those who experience them. But then there's charlatans and frauds who totally invade this type of space and take advantage of people. But Dieta brought up a good point.

[Dita Young]

If you are not very talented, you can never get the chance to make a living out of it for more than a week. People's gonna notice it.

[Kai Dickens]

I love that. That's so true. I mean, like, success is your calling card, right? In any. In any endeavor. Okay, so you've worked with a lot of national team riders, not just in Denmark, but Sweden and Norway and other places. When you get to that level of rider, is there an acceptance and belief that there is a telepathic link or communication between rider and horse, or do you think there's more skepticism?

[Dita Young]

I believe that they already know there is a telepathical communication going on in their programs during their training. Because when you work at that high a level, you need to be totally simultaneously with the horse, and that's telepathy. You sense each other, you feel one another. You send images to the horse and it performs or it does whatever you need it to do. The higher you get in this industry, the more people have an opinion of what you're doing. So I think when people experience skepticism in the elite, it's because the writers are afraid of what other people might think of them. That could be the judges, that could be the national team trainers, which makes them more cautious to speak openly.

[Kai Dickens]

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[Dita Young]

But they do use it. Otherwise I wouldn't have helped so many as I have. I'm helping everything from royal family families to national team riders from military dressage show jumping in Brazil, the uk, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands, Germany.

[Kai Dickens]

I wanted to talk to one of these super experienced riders to get their take on Dita skills.

[Helen Begide Farbort]

My name is Helen Begide Farbort, normally called this eb. I am a Norwegian dressage rider so I've been qualified for two Olympic championships. I was the national team champion in Norway three times as a senior rider.

[Kai Dickens]

At Grand Prix level and she too has many convincing stories of Dieta communicating with her horses. And here's one of them.

[Helen Begide Farbort]

The one time that made the most impact, like both on my sporting career and myself as a person was the one time I had did a helping me with the Tahinia, the horse that I also was qualified for the Olympics with. We were we had a lot of issues loading her in the trailer or in the truck. She was a big horse and she had some claustrophobic anxiety when she was in the truck. I always, like, went to shows very close by, and this time I had to drive for hours to Norway. And I kind of panicked a little that I had to do this with her in order to be a part of the Norwegian team. So I called Dita and said, I really need your help with this horse.

[Dita Young]

She called me because she had a horse who was going to the Norwegian Championship, and she knew for a fact that this horse would usually be exhausted and hydrated so it wouldn't perform and she would lose every single time. And she had no idea how to solve this issue. So I did a telepathical communication with the horse. Tahenya was her name. And she told me through images and emotions that she was out of balance in that huge truck. And 16 hours, that would be a lot. So Tahenya asked me, could you tell EB to tell me telepathically where we are going? You know, now I'm going to the right, now I'm going to the left. And then I have a chance to balance myself back there. And when I told Ibi the story, she laughed and said, did it? Are you kidding me? Do you want me to talk to my horse for 16 hours straight in a car? And I said, yeah, I thought did.

[Helen Begide Farbort]

It was a little bit crazy, but I did like she told me. And I drove all the way to Norway, and she was standing there like she had never done in her life. And she was, like, eating and drinking and behaved so nice. And we got a silver medal at the Norwegian Championship, which was also our main goal. And I thought that, okay, my horse is cured.

[Dita Young]

She called me and she was so proud, and she. She forgot to do it on her way back home. And then the horse got sick.

[Helen Begide Farbort]

I had to call the vet to come and sedate her and give her the fluids. So from that day on, I always told her if we were going right or left or whatever. And I had her for five years where I did the same thing. And I was always driving her, except this one time when my groom was to drive her home from the shows. And she was kind of laughing at me for doing. Doing this all the time, because I always said to her, don't talk to me while driving this horse because I have to focus. And she couldn't load it on the way home before she told the horse, okay, I'm sorry, you won't bump your head, and I will tell you how the journey will be.

[Kai Dickens]

So wait, who said to the horse, you won't bump your head?

[Helen Begide Farbort]

When my groom was to drive her home one time, she couldn't load her.

[Kai Dickens]

Without saying it, but then she said it. And then the horse would get in.

[Helen Begide Farbort]

Yeah, she just. Yeah, then she just went in by. All by herself.

[Kai Dickens]

But you know what's so interesting about this? I mean, is she saying it with language? Because is it like. Do you think the horses are just interpreting the meaning behind it, like telepathy? Or do you think they understand our language in some degree?

[Helen Begide Farbort]

I think it's. If you believe it when you think it, then the horse will do what you say. But if you believe it when you say it out loud, then you need to say it out loud.

[Kai Dickens]

So you're saying, like, whatever you believe more, deliver it that way. So if you're saying it with words, and that is the most intention and belief, deliver the message in words. And if you can just do it in thought and have the same message and intention and all that with just a thought, then deliver it that way. Like, it doesn't matter if you say it out loud, as long as you're believing it, the horse will get it.

[Helen Begide Farbort]

Yeah, absolutely. I would never have had a medal if it wasn't for Dita. And I think also to go for the qualifying for the Olympics. If it wasn't for Dita, it wouldn't have happened.

[Kai Dickens]

Dita has a ton of videos on her social media, and going through them is astounding because so many riders have been deeply transformed and convinced by Dita's telepathic communication with their animals. And so I asked Dita if she could step in and help my family better understand the dog we rescued last year. So to set the stage, we need to rewind one year ago to February 2024. Our family had recently put down our very senior dog, Eos. I was walking my daughter to school, and she asked me if we could get another dog. We were totally maxed out. We have two cats, two kids. And I said the only way we'll ever adopt another dog is if one is put into our path who desperately needs a home and has no one else to help it. And a few hours later, mark my words, like, hours later, I received this video from my wife, Kaisa.

[Kaisa]

So I have some news. I just got off of my volunteer shift and I'm heading up the street. I see this, like, dog running into traffic, which is freaking terrifying. And he is now in the back of my car, and I don't know what to do with him. He's, like, super skinny, and he looks like he hasn't eaten anything. He's thirsty, doesn't have any color, and I don't know what to do. I'm gonna go to the shelter and just see if he's been reported missing.

[Kai Dickens]

The shelter turned her away and asked her to go to another location. But just like in the meantime, to help with Tucker's immediate needs, she brought him home, and we bathed him and we fed him and we hugged him. And then we brought him back to the appropriate shelter for a stray hold, hoping his family might find him. Two weeks later, nobody had claimed him. They ran his chip, and his last owner had died. He had all sorts of medical issues, including regular seizures. And we just figured if we didn't adopt him, nobody would. You're gonna live here now.

[Helen Begide Farbort]

You're gonna live with us.

[Kaisa]

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[Kai Dickens]

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[Kaisa]

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[Kai Dickens]

In time. We found out Tucker was about 10 years old. He was mostly blind and deaf, and he had regular seizures. We were in and out of the vet. We were trying to shower him with love and attention, but no matter what we did, he honestly just didn't seem to care. I mean, not about us or anything. He never came to the door or even lifted his head when we woke up or walked into the room or came home or came down the stairs. In the morning, if the family was in the living room, he'd go to the whole other side of the house. Often he'd find the darkest, loneliest corner and lay there. And if we went and picked him up, he'd go back to that sad corner. We read a lot, and we understood that with love and time and consistency, this antisocial behavior would most likely change in maybe three months, six months. But it's actually gotten worse. We started wondering if he just didn't like us or maybe didn't even want to be alive. I actually started recording some of our conversations about it so the kids would have context about what we were going through in case they asked us, like, 10 years later, when they had a core memory about Tucker, they'd understand. And this is one of those conversations when I was asking Kaisa about her thoughts on Tucker's state of mind. Wait, hold on. I'm gonna record.

[Kaisa]

He seems so miserable, which is so sad. I mean, we've given him a lovely place to be and live, and we've showered him with love. It's been a real struggle because you feel like you read everything you could possibly read to help a dog. That's Been homeless and possibly abused or at least neglected for a little while. Cause he was on the streets for a couple months, but nothing seemed to work.

[Kai Dickens]

Like I said, it's been a year. And the one thing we always say to each other in these conversations is, I just wish we knew what he was thinking.

[Kaisa]

Yeah, I've always said I wish he could see.

[Kai Dickens]

So after my interview with Dita, I sent an email asking her if she could telepathically read Tucker. She said yes and that she could do this remotely from Denmark, but it would help to get on Zoom so she could look into his eyes. When we first got on Zoom, Tucker was in Kaisa's lap. We were on the couch and my laptop was on the coffee table. And then suddenly Tucker kind of wigged out and jumped onto the ground. So it helped for me to put the computer down by him.

[Dita Young]

No, no, it's okay. I'm already communicating with him, so that's no problem.

[Kai Dickens]

Okay.

[Dita Young]

I would rather look at your faces, actually, so I know for sure that you understand what I'm saying when I'm doing this.

[Kai Dickens]

Yeah.

[Dita Young]

If that's okay. Yeah.

[Kai Dickens]

Let me just. I'm gonna just get our computer because we're sitting in a weird space. Here we go.

[Dita Young]

You are ready.

[Kai Dickens]

Now we're ready.

[Dita Young]

So what I did was I glanced into Tucker's eyes. Even though we have blind spot, he's not completely blind. When I start communicating being with Tucker, I introduce myself. Hey, my name is Dieter and I'm here just to communicate with you. And the first thing he says, like a thought in my own head, yeah, but what do you want? So he's skeptic about what do you. What do I want? And I'm sitting here with your family members, the adults one, and they have questions for you probably, if he would like. Would you like to help us with that? And he says yes. So to begin with, I asked him about his personality profile. He says I was playful. I am a little bit. It's getting harder with age, but I am playful. I'm sensitive, and I'm a little prince. He shows me a park where he used to run around free. And I don't know where that park is, but he shows me images with children, and I don't think it's with your family. So I actually have him under suspicion that he has had another owner prior to the owner, you might know. Actually, I think he's been moved more than once.

[Kai Dickens]

Dita certainly didn't know this, but when we adopted Tucker, they told us he'd been in and out of the shelter once before and he had two different chips in his body, meaning most likely two different families. So this tracks. And there's no way she could have known any of this.

[Dita Young]

I think he's been with a family and he's running around and running after Frisbee and a ball. And yeah, he's happy, but that was many years ago. He has that playfulness and he says, take me to a park and you'll definitely see that my energy will go up a little bit.

[Kai Dickens]

Bit.

[Dita Young]

The sensitive side of me is more skeptic. And this is also a shock and traumatized emotion I get because the thing he says and, and I hope that it's okay with you that I'm being frank with you and being very open.

[Kaisa]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dita Young]

He keeps asking me, am I here to stay, am I here to stay or do I have to get into a new home? So he. Are you okay, Kai?

[Kai Dickens]

No, I'm just crying. It's just because it's so sweet to think of him having. It's like a happy life before and anyway, keep going. I just am sensitive. Of course. Go on. And though that was true, I was feeling totally exposed because over the past four weeks, Kaisa and I started questioning whether Tucker liked us and wanted to be with us. And we started looking into finding him a new home that was slower paced with maybe an older caregiver that had a consistent and slower and calmer life. So in short, Tucker had every reason to worry that we weren't his forever home. And it just broke my heart to hear it. And though I'm the one that typically cries at movies, Kaissa was crying too.

[Dita Young]

He's not 100% sure that he's here to stay. So can I tell him that for a fact? Okay, I'm telling him you are there to stay. This is your new family. I feel this. This was me exhaling, like massive exhaling. He's so relieved, like, okay, but because he says the reason why I often don't want to look at them is because I get so sad because I don't understand where they are going. Are they coming back? We are talking about in and out your house. He says there are many people going in and out, in and out. But they are only telling me I will come back. You know, like if you, Kaisel is you are leaving the house, you would say, hey, Tucker, I'm coming back. But what he's interested in knowing is I'm coming back to you. If you understand that that's the difference. I'm coming back to you at 4pm and this might sound ridiculous to some people. How can you understand the time? But he understands the energy of time, so it's important for Tucker. Are you going to be away for 20 minutes or 6 hours?

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[Kai Dickens]

Yes. Great.

[Dita Young]

Okay. So he says to you, Kaisa, that he loves you, he loves your heart and he wants you to trust your talents because it seems like you are doubting yourself. Which way to go right now?

[Kai Dickens]

Kaisa was the one who found him and it is clear that he trusts her and I think loves her the most in the family. And this personal note really resonated with Kaisa who lacks confidence. And it seems like Kaisa's doubting of herself is impacting Tucker who is also doubting himself.

[Dita Young]

And when you doubt yourself, it makes me insecure. So don't doubt yourself that much. Does this make sense?

[Helen Begide Farbort]

Absolutely.

[Dita Young]

Okay, when I ask him about health issues and it's important for me to say I'm not the veterinarian. You have to get this verified at the veterinarian. But when it comes to health issues, he shows me that he's 100% blind on his right eye and he Shows me he has a little bit of a vision on his left eye. And I can tell there is gray areas which I assume could be cataracts on the left eye.

[Kai Dickens]

Consulting his medical chart, this was all true. And again, there's no way she could have known this.

[Dita Young]

The second thing is I think that he was used to having human food from his prior owner. I feel, I sense that could be like old women do with animals, like hand feed them with human food. Because I feel like have eaten a pizza. Toast, bread, sausages. Human sausages. So what you're doing correct is having very high quality food. But he's not used to it, he can't handle it. I have him under suspicion for something cold. Protein allergy. Because I sense that he can't break down the protein in his food. And I feel it itches. I feel the blood is itching. My body is itching because of a malfunctioning liver. Does that make sense? Is he on high quality food?

[Kai Dickens]

Yeah.

[Kaisa]

Yeah, he is.

[Kai Dickens]

The remarkable thing about this exchange is that Tucker has been itching himself dry for weeks. We've taken him to the vet, we've given him all sorts of soothing baths and anti itch treatments and oatmeal treatments and nothing has worked. Yeah. Does he like us?

[Dita Young]

Yeah, he loves you. But he wasn't sure that he was there to stay. What he lacks is actually structure. And if you can't have that, just tell him. Tucker, today we're bringing in my daughter's friends after school and they're going to stay here for supper and then they're going to go home then. It's predictable. But he's not depressed, he's just insecure. Now I told him you're here to stay. Please. He will never get tired of that because I think he got moved twice.

[Kaisa]

When we first had his chip scanned, they scanned the one. And then we found out that this woman had just passed.

[Kai Dickens]

Two months before, actually.

[Dita Young]

Now you told me it was a woman. It's easy for me to say now, but I never doubted it was a woman who died because I feel that there is a shock and trauma combined with why did she leave me here by myself? He says, which also means that it took them a while before they found the woman.

[Kai Dickens]

Yeah.

[Dita Young]

So he was all by himself there with her?

[Kai Dickens]

Yeah.

[Dita Young]

Does your son have swords?

[Kai Dickens]

Yes. This was really shocking because two weeks ago our son won two light up swords at the arcade. They're really bright and noisy and he plays with them at the same time and there's just no way Dieter could have known this.

[Dita Young]

Tucker shows me a picture that he think it's funny. So even though he can't interact with your son when he's playing with the swords, he's not cheering on your son. It's not frightening for Tucker.

[Kai Dickens]

Okay, and then one more question, because I know we feel really bad about this. We have a. You know, we live in Southern California, so it's usually 70 and beautiful outside. It's just gorgeous weather. We walk him in the morning, in the night, we walk him. But we've put him in the backyard so he can enjoy the sun. And we want to know if he likes going outside.

[Dita Young]

He says, I like the outside, but what would you want me to do here?

[Kaisa]

That tracks.

[Kai Dickens]

Yeah, actually, because we do. We put him outside like most dogs will lay in the sun. And often he'll walk to the farthest corner of the yard, just stare at.

[Kaisa]

The fence or something, and he'll just.

[Kai Dickens]

Sit and look at the fence. And it's so depressing because you think this is. You will go play in the grass and roll around and enjoy.

[Dita Young]

And this is interesting because he lacks structure. Again, he is not the type of dog that goes around, play with himself out there. You need to be with him and tell him, there's a tree. Just let's sit around the tree. Okay. There is a bird. I can hear the bird. So sends with me because otherwise it's pretty boring to be outside by myself.

[Kai Dickens]

Okay. So he just needs confidence, I think.

[Dita Young]

With the prior owner who passed away, I think he's used to a little fenced backyard. That's what he shows me. And walking around with her in the area, that's basically it.

[Kai Dickens]

This conversation went on for maybe another 15, 20 minutes, and we felt really emotional afterward. Dita knew things about him and her family that there's no way she could have known. She even knew the genders and the personalities of our cats, which was another fun tangent in the conversation. The next day, I asked Kaisa about it, and we're both running around the kitchen here, doing chores, trying to start our morning. What did you think about that with Dita? Did you believe it?

[Kaisa]

I mean, she was incredibly accurate. She knew that our son had gotten new swords. She knew which out he was totally blind in. She knew he had had two. Two owners before.

[Kai Dickens]

Did you believe any of it going in?

[Kaisa]

Well, I mean, I've been a fly on the wall here, so, yeah.

[Kai Dickens]

She's referring to hearing all of my conversations about telepathy over the past few years. But what she said Next was really interesting.

[Kaisa]

I think growing up on a farm, you always know that animals are communicating without talking. I mean that's just all around us all the time. So it's not as far fetched for me as maybe somebody else that didn't have that upbringing.

[Kai Dickens]

Kaisa grew up on a thousand acre working farm in rural Minnesota with horses and flocks of sheep and other animals.

[Kaisa]

They were always communicating, always. Like how even the sheep who people think are so stupid.

[Kai Dickens]

How did you. What do you mean they like what's the way you would see it?

[Kaisa]

Well, you could just tell like even, you know, we were close to a couple of the bottle lambs that we kept after they had grown and usually we had sent them away at a certain age, but they would always come to us. But they would also like bring their buddies along sometimes and how would they have communicated that we're a safe human to come to? Yeah, you know, all their baths kind of sound the same, at least to me, but somehow, you know, Sally or whoever was communicating that we were safe people to come near. So for me that was pretty obvious.

[Kai Dickens]

That's great. Thank you. We shared what we learned with our kids and then we all started to change our behavior towards Tucker, making sure he knew this was his permanent home and that we were always coming home to him. We are all going to go to a party and we'll be back to.

[Dita Young]

You around, around 8 o'clock when it's dark outside. We're all going to come back to, to you.

[Kai Dickens]

Everyone's going to come back to you. Okay?

[Dita Young]

We love you, Tucker.

[Kai Dickens]

Each one of us just started acting more intentionally and purposefully. I'm go pick up your sister and.

[Dita Young]

Then I'm going to come back.

[Kai Dickens]

Okay. A little bit. She's leaving and then she's coming back. Okay buddy. Be right back. And my son even started doing shows with his swords to make Tucker happy. And after all of this, I've come to fully believe that some animal communicators like Dieta Young are the real deal in ways I don't understand. They seem to connect with animals and receive images and feelings from them. But all that aside, here's what I keep coming back to. Whether or not someone believes in animal communication doesn't really matter. Many philosophers agree that something is real if it produces an effect or alters the state of the world. Our reading with Dieta changed how we treat Tucker. It changed how we're thinking about him. And I think it changed how he's thinking about us. He seems happier and more at ease. And just the other night he sat with us for like a full hour while we played a board game, something he's never done before. So yes, I fully believe in Dieta's gifts, but I've also come to realize something deeper. The act of believing is more important than the fact of believing. The way our actions and interactions have shifted around Tucker, or the way the relationships have changed between the horses and riders that you've met, that's what matters. Her work has created profound positive impacts, and that is real. That's it for this episode of the Talk Tracks, but new episodes will now be released every other Sunday, so stay tuned as we work to unravel all the threads, even the veiled ones that knit together our reality. Please remember to stay kind, stay curious, and that being a true skeptic requires an open mind. Thank you to my amazing collaborators. Original music was created by Elizabeth PW, original logo and cover art by Ben Kendora, design the audio mix and finishing by Ben Campafrita, our amazing podcast coordinator, Jill Pichesnik, my amazing assistant Katherine Ellis, and I'm Kai Dickens, your writer, creator and host. Thank you again for joining us.