← The Thyroid (and Hormone) Fixer Podcast: Thyropause, Menopause, Metabolism and How to Fix It
The Thyroid (and Hormone) Fixer Podcast: Thyropause, Menopause, Metabolism and How to Fix It
549. Controversial Cancer Treatments You'll Never Hear About from your Oncologist with Johnathan Otto
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Dr. Amy
Welcome to the Thyroid Fixer podcast where we dive deep into the world of thyroid and hormones. Especially for you ladies navigating perimenopause and menopause. And really for anyone struggling with hypothyroidism. I'm your host, Dr. Amy, thyroid and hormone specialist and CEO of a global telemedicine practice where we prescribe the right thyroid treatment and bioidentical hormones to all 50 states and most of Canada, helping you become that badass human that you're meant to be. So if you're battling weight gain and heroin loss, you can't lose weight. No matter what you do. Your energy levels are plummeting and your libido left town. Then you're in the right place and you have found your tribe. Remember, I want you to embrace every inch of that badass woman that you truly are. So if you're ready to dive in and fix things, let's get started. On episode 354 of the Thyroid Fixer. I talked to Caroline Allen from Beam Minerals about the power of plant based minerals. When it comes to minerals, your thyroid is greedy. Pound for pound, it uses more than any other organ in your body. A full spectrum mineral supplement is an easy first step approach to sorting out thyroid problems. It's amazing what difference it can make. But Bean minerals do more than that. They're derived from Humate, a deep earth substance that forms over millennia as plants break down and deposit nutrients into the soil. Humate has all the minerals your thyroid needs. Believe it or not, it does. But it's also packed with antioxidants, plant nutrients, nutrients, detoxifiers and more. That makes Beam Minerals one of the best all around. Thyroid replenishments you can take Beams. Plant based minerals support detox and balanced hormone production. Their antioxidants even protect your thyroid from inflammation, which is essential if you have autoimmune issues. So if you want simple, effective way to support your thyroid, give Beam Minerals a try. For thyroid fixer listeners, I have a special discount code. So you're going to go to beamminerals.com and you're going to enter Dr. Amy at checkout for 20% off your first order. So that's B E A L S dot com and enter D R a M I E at checkout for 20% off your first order. You have questions about your thyroid, about your labs, what they mean. What about your hormones? What about insulin? Why are you gaining weight? Why are you so tired? Why are you losing your hair? Why won't my doctor listen to me? Why won't my doctor test these things, all of these questions that you have running around in your brain and you know that if you just had the answers that that could push you over the edge into optimal health, that you could be that badass human that you are meant to be. Well, I got you covered there because I am going live every single week in the just fix your thyroid Facebook group. That is my Facebook group. A beautiful community just filled with amazing people. Where I am in there, my nurse practitioners are in there, my health coaches are in there. There are patients in there that have been with me for so long, they're experts in their own right, and they answered just the way that I would. So we have you completely covered in this group. So not only can you post your question every single day, every single hour, if you want, you can mark your calendars for our weekly live Q and A sessions where you get to ask your question to me, and I'm going to answer it live on air. And not only that, we are doing product giveaways. We're doing working with our team giveaways. You're going to want to be in there and actually be live on that call. If you're at work, go into the closet. Just shut the door. Take minutes for yourself, Take a half an hour for yourself. Take an hour for yourself so that you can get the information that you need to bring yourself into optimization land, where you're not looking sideways at a brownie and gaining weight at the same time, where you can feel amazing every single day. Because that's my goal for you. You know that I love, love, love to answer your questions, and this is the place where you can get them answered live. I'm going to start off by saying this will be one of the most controversial episodes you've ever heard on the thyroid fixer podcast, and I'll explain why. Number one. Of course. I have been exploring alternative cancer therapies now for months due to my own journey. There's a lot out there, by the way. There's a lot out there and so much we don't know and so much that is not in mainstream medicine. There are treatments that sound a little bit outside of the box, maybe a little bit wacky, but the science is there, and I think it's important for you to know the science, know the background, know the mechanism of action of these alternative therapies so that you have a choice. Whether you're dealing with a cancer diagnosis now or, God forbid, you face one in the future, you need to be armed And I'll say it's, it's wild for me to think back. Prior to my big C diagnosis, I would hear these kinds of podcasts and I would blow them off because in my mind, I would always think, ah, that's not going to be me. I'll, I'll, I'll explore that if I need to. Well, I'm going to tell you that when you're in that moment of hearing the C word in the diagnosis, you rush, you need to decide quickly. You don't have months to explore all of these alternative therapies and to listen to a boatload of podcasts. You have to do it now so that you're armed, so that you know if, and I'm not saying plan for doomsday, but for goodness sake, have something in your back pocket that you know that you can reach out to and go a little bit deeper down that rabbit hole should you choose. Should you choose to break out of the conventional system. Now, this episode is actually so controversial that we were planning on putting it on YouTube so that you can actually see what Jonathan is talking about in here as he shows some of his slides. And they're wild. So I do encourage you, after you listen, or even before you listen, click the link below, go to Vimeo and watch it there, or listen first. That way I get to please the Apple and the, the Google and the Spotify podcast gods and then go to Vimeo to watch because YouTube would most likely give me a warning and, or shut down my entire account if I put this on YouTube. That's the world we live in right now. Even though we have a little bit more freedom of speech, we still live in a world where the big corporations that run it dictate the information that you get to see. So sometimes you do have to go to other channels to actually gather the info. So I'm going to encourage you. I know this is a long one, but it's a good one. I'm going to encourage you to go all the way through this episode and then go watch it on Vimeo so that your jaw can drop. One last story before we start into the podcast was talking to my dad last night. And many of you know my dad had also gone through a devastating cancer diagnosis years ago where he died. And then I was right there to give him cpr, bring him back. He went through the rest of his chemo treatments, cancer came back, he ended up having a stem cell replacement, went into sepsis. So his poor body, his poor body has just been through so much well, now he's had a multitude of carcinoma squamous cell on his head and man, they look ugly. So I said to him, you know, I am going to send you some chlorine dioxide that you will hear me talk about, hear Jonathan and I talk about on this podcast. I'm going to send you some chlorine dioxide because you can literally spray this on your cancer cells, on the squamous cell, on your head, on your wounds, and it will drastically improve the healing and it'll kill the cancer cells too. You just have to, you gotta listen, you gotta watch. We also dive into not only chlorine dioxide, but red light. So I had no idea. Jonathan, in addition, let me say it's being an award winning filmmaker, investigative medical journalist, a humanitarian, he was the brains behind the truth about cancer, cancer secrets, autoimmune secrets. So he dives into all of this research and he was explaining to me, which I had no idea, all of the very potent effects of red light therapy on the body, from thyroid to cancer to healing of tissues, and then, and then, hold on to your hats, we talk about drinking your own urine. Now don't click the off button just yet. You have to hear the science behind it. I'm not saying that's something you're going to do, but I'm going to say it's kind of fascinating and it does. I mean, I haven't done it yet, I'll let you know if I ever try it, but it's just, you know, interesting information. Keep an open mind as you listen to one of the, if not the most controversial podcast episode in 500 and some episodes of the Thyroid Fixer podcast. So many of you know, if you've been listening to this show that I just recently went through my own cancer scare slash cancer journey of being diagnosed with uterine cancer and then ultimately having a hysterectomy. But if you go back and listen to that episode, you'll hear me in that episode talk about that time in between that time from diagnosis to surgery, where I was really exploring and considering ixnaying the surgery, postponing it and trying different alternative cancer therapies that really do hold a lot of ground, but they just aren't being offered by conventional oncology. And certainly my oncologist did not sit down with me and talk about doing anything for my cancer involving red light, urine therapy, chlorine dioxide, or any kind of solution that I could be putting into my water. He just basically said, you need a hysterectomy, we need to take it out, period, end of story. But it turns out there's so many different things that we can do. There are alternatives to treatments and therapies out there that are not being discussed in mainstream journalism. You're not going to see it in the Journal of Oncology. Your doctor is not going to talk to you about it or offer it as an option in your treatment protocol. And I will tell you, although I ultimately decided on the surgery, I'm still incorporating many of these alternative therapies into my world, into my body, because I don't ever want to hear the C word again. And I will also say that if that diagnosis had been anything other than a simple surgery, if I was presented with something like. And this is definitely a personal choice, I will. I will start off by saying that it's a personal choice, but I can honestly say that if I was presented with the option of chemotherapy or radiation or something that would be destroying my healthy cells, I would have opted out and I would have went down all of these different rabbit holes of alternative, controversial cancer therapies that we're going to talk about today. So I am so excited to bring on someone that I had listened to throughout my whole journey because of his knowledge, because of his background, Jonathan Otto, who is an amazing. Just. I mean, your brain, Jonathan. I want to just pull it out and put it in a box so I can access it whenever I want. Any of this information, I mean, your research and your. Your work on the truth about cancer, which I bought on DVD for my dad back in 2000, I don't know, 16, when he was going through his own cancer journey, is just groundbreaking. So I'm so excited to have you on the show.
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Jonathan Otto
Oh, it's such an honor. Dr. Amy, you're amazing. And no wonder. Your audience just love you and follow you. You're. You're a sweetheart. And. And I thank you for the kind words. It means a lot to me. I never expected that I'd be of such great assistance, which I. Has always been my. My dream just to. Just to help and give people solutions. And I'm excited that we're going to give people solutions that people can access in their homes at zero cost when. When people can do therapies that being literally hidden from them and tapping into them to prevent cancer and to treat cancer if they. If they're fighting this and. And autoimmune disease and thyroid conditions and people like Dr. Dan Pompa. He is a big advocate of what I'm doing and what I' coaching And it's been really helpful for him and his family. And he's using products that we've developed in his home, all kinds of things, hence the, the thyroid connection there, because he's well known in that arena. But again, thank you for having me on.
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Dr. Amy
Well, quick, fun fact. If we rewind back to 1997, Dan and I worked together when he was a chiropractor in Monroeville, Pennsylvania. I worked in his office, and we would often just kind of butt heads about protein, and he would always ride his bike into the off. I'm like, Dan, go pick up a weight, eat some protein, stop eating the mana bread. But he's, he's totally shifted. And it's interesting that we all hit himself, myself, and then Dr. Bill Cole, God rest his soul, we all went into functional medicine. It's really fascinating. And I recently ran into Dan at a conference last year, and him and Marilee, it was great seeing them, but it's, it's crazy that we all went into this space or had a pain to purpose journey like he always refers to that, that brought us to helping people.
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Jonathan Otto
Yes. Right on. Ryan Cole, Bill Coles, the late Bill Cole's son, is a dear friend of mine. And without going into detail, someone that's dearly close to him had a cancer scare. And I was honored that I was the first person that he called and that he would keep in touch with to help his treatment of, of this loved one and, you know, to support and, you know, I never knew Bill. Bill Cole, but I know that he was the guy that, that set Dr. Pompa on his path. And it's just an honor to be of support to, to these true healers that have cared and done a lot for others. And I'm honored that I was useful to you and your, your journey also.
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Dr. Amy
Absolutely. Your knowledge is, is off the charts, like I said in the beginning. So, you know, I mean, we could do a whole podcast as to why we don't hear about these therapies in mainstream and why they're not accessible, but that, that would take another hour. Maybe that's for another day. But just in general, can you give a brief overview so people maybe who haven't heard us talk about big Pharma and, and the controversy around that, why is cancer such a money maker and why are we not hearing about, like you said in the beginning, these therapies that we can do in our home for little to no cost?
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah, absolutely. So everything back to the Flexner report from early 1910, you know, plot you know, onward there was this railroad, you know, this shutdown of, of natural therapies, the intensive funding that happened with petrochemical drugs and, and then so much got lost. So it was a mixture of things. And this is the other part that people don't talk about. We lost therapies as well. And hence why urine therapy was one that was, was prolific. It was the medicine through the ages. And so we've lost it to such a degree that physicians don't even even understand that it was a medicine and that it's filled with stem cells and anti neoplastones which are anti cancer cells specific to that person's cancer. That it's filled with enzymes that used in top drugs like your kinase and urea that have been the go to cancer treatment drugs that are derived from urine, not to mention the dhea like anti aging miracle drugs, all derived from urine. And so we lost all these natural tools. Early discoveries on light therapy for disease like the Nobel Prize won by Niels rahberg Finson in 1903 for light therapy reversing chronic disease. And the work of John Harvey Kellogg. Even though he's a mixed character, he did bad and good, but he was using light therapy to reverse cancer. Piggybacking on the work of Ryberg, Niels Ryberg Finson. And so we, we lost these other tools that then also meant that people didn't even know that these were other altern that were, that it were in existence. And then all the energy went into the drugs, the injections, we'll just call them that. And, and then these were then perpetuating these diseases. And there wasn't enough incentive for, for others to, to say otherwise. So we, we lost it. And we lost it to the point where people think that I'm crazy when I talk about the things that I just talked about. We lost natural ways of healing like through salt, which chlorine dioxide is a, is a salt. And so I'm not going to, I'll be careful with how I talk about it, but I'll talk about it in the way that people just. All you have to do is listen carefully to what we're saying and you could, you could learn how to do it and access books that teach you like forbidden health by Dr. Andreas Kalka, achieved health and then use them because they're oxygen rich therapies and body, the body needs oxygen when it, when you're trying to reverse disease, whether it's thyroid disease or whether it's autoimmune or, or cancer. So yeah, that's part of the reason. But we can, all we have to do is, exactly what we're doing is getting the information back to people through discuss like this. And then the person that's listening, it doesn't matter. Whatever's hidden from you, obstructed, you have the information. So you don't have to live as a victim. You can live as a, as a conqueror.
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Dr. Amy
Well, that's exactly it. I mean, you're not going to hear this from mainstream medicine, but thank God there are podcasts that you've already been on. That's how I found you. And then this podcast, we're just spreading the word so that people can have all the options in front of them. Because when you get that big C diagnosis, there is that level of fear that sits in that. Even if you are, let's say you're in the position that I'm in. I have a huge network of a variety of different functional, integrative, alternative colleagues of mine that I can tap into. But when that fear hits, it's like you automatically want to revert and believe your oncologist, because that's just the tunnel vision that you, you go into when you get that big C diagnosis. But it's important at that point of time to just stop, breathe. You do not have to make a split second decision. You can take in all of this information, including what we're going to talk about today, and decide whether it's right for you to either incorporate in as an alternative option or as an adjunct to anything that you will be doing with conventional medicine. So it's just a shame that people have to dig to find this info. But I'm grateful for people like yourselves that are out there talking about it and willing to talk about it and willing to bring this information to the masses.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah. Thank you.
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Dr. Amy
So let's start with chlorine dioxide from. So from this point on, we will refer to it as CDS or chlorine dioxide solution. And this has a little bit of a backstory to it as to where it was first discovered to be effective. So can you, can you take us back to the beginning? What is it? How did, how did we even come to know about it in terms of, of its effect on our health?
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah, no, and I'm so glad you want to talk about it. And so you, you're listening to good folks guys. When you, when you have hosts and influences like Dr. Amy who, who want to talk about these solutions because people have gone to jail for this, which you might be aware of these Political prisoners that that are in this country. And I'm working on some of those cases now to I was actually just in D.C. and that was one of the aspects that was being discussed that was putting before these governors and senators, including Senator Rand Paul, meeting with him and and others just over the last couple of days. People should not be in jail for helping people. That is the cruelest imaginable dystopic reality that we're in. So how it was discovered, part of it was to do with the, the discoveries. And there were people before Jim Humble, but he was certainly one that helped put it on the map. And there were studies that existed under the Red Cross for malaria and they found it was 100% effective in these studies that happened in Uganda. But then the Red Cross denied that the studies happened even though they, they're accessible read about them and but, but what that would mean is for the millions of people that are dying from malaria, they wouldn't have to because they could get something that was. That cost nothing again that anti malaria drugs then it was too big a threat even to the anti malaria business as an example. And the reason why they, they found it to be so effective was because of two major things. One was oxygen, the other one was electrons. And so what this solution is this C D S is that it's a sodium chlorite which are both sal that are activated by hydrochloric acid or citric acid, hydrochloric acid that the gut produces it. Again, we're not even talking about what you put in pools. There's nothing like that. It's not, it's not even the structure is entirely different. And if somebody is saying that you can't have salt at all, then they're denying the fact that your body is not just a mostly made up of water, 70, 80% water, but that it's specifically salt water. And this is the reason why you are personally like a battery that's you're conducting electrical charges through the electrolyte minerals, electrical minerals. And sodium and chloride are two of these important examples of how your body will actually signal cells. So when you then had a high concentration, low dose but high concentration of these minerals like like a 25% sodium chloride, it had an oxygenating effect. In fact, if you were drinking this through the day like the Kalka they found that you are delivering about 10,700,000 oxygen molecules. Wait for it. For every single red blood cell in the body. Think about how much you need to eat. Think about how much you need to drink. And then now think about how much you need to breathe and you realize that oxygen is the holy grail for all diseases. It's the reason why red light also is effective. It's the reason why pulse electromagnetic field therapy is effective because they're working with oxygen. And this is the reason why when Mel Gibson talked about his three friends that went into remission from stage four cancer, they were all students of Dr. Calc and I've been doing a lot of work with him. Yeah, they all were. So that's really cool. That was a three for three is a hundred percent for him. But it was a good public conversation. He didn't know how to say it properly. So if you listen back to the clip, he didn't exactly know how to say the word properly. And he said they were drinking this, this thing and, and he, he, he said hydroxy something. So that's a, that's such a good staple to look at. Adding in whether it's a thyroid condition, whether you're just looking for more energy, whether you're looking the big C, another autoimmune condition. It's, it's an extremely effective therapy. I'd saved family members lives, it saved my brother's life, I'd saved my father in law's life, it saved my grandfather's life on my wife's side. So yeah, one was from the big C, the other one was from the other big C that happened over the last few years which is the catching that, that thing that everyone kind of caught and if you want to call it, if you want to say that. And then my brother with acute appendicitis with an abscess and a rupture potential rupture that meant that no surgery could be done on him and he was stuck in Japan. It was that important for me to get that to him. I flew my mom out from Australia to bring that solution to him. He never had to get the surgery at all. So he still has his appendix and he didn't have a life altering event that could have happened through sepsis as a result of a rupture.
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Dr. Amy
Wow, that is incredible. So right, the clip you're referring back to is when Mel Gibson was on, on Joe Rogan. If anybody wants to go back and listen to that story that's been referenced many, many times and his story about his three friends. And so if, if CDS increases oxygen in the body. So we know that and correct me if I'm wrong, but we know that cancer cannot exist in the presence of oxygen. Is that one of the reasons why hyperbaric oxygen chamber using an HBOT is recommended for any kind of cancer. Cancer treatment.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah, it is. It is. Exactly. It is. And the only downside with that is that you, it's expensive. A lot of people don't have even a clinic nearby. If they get a chamber, it may just be a soft shell chamber that maybe can't get deep enough. And then e. What then becomes another option that, that's a lot more cost effective. So exercise with oxygen therapy and so you're creating a hypoxic environment and you're lifting weights. So you're breathing deep while you're doing and you're, you're creating that high altitude training scenario that, that mimics a hyperbaric, which is also like a really great option. But with, with cds, you're. It's just in the water. It happens to be in this water right now that I'm drinking. And I'm not fighting anything of that regard of some of the topics that we're talking about. But I'm doing it because I like feeling good and I like having oxygen and I like not having to sleep like nap like a few times a day, which is what I was having to do because I struggle with chronic fatigue syndrome, probably because of the things that got put in my body as a child that, that you know, you know what I'm talking about. The things that got injected into me that caused me to have a lot of different conditions like Lyme disease, cytomegalovirus, Epstein Barr, Ross river fever, glandular fever, chronic fatigue syndrome, chronic boils, chronic nausea, whatever it was that was causing that immune response. You know, I've been able to counter that through these oxygen rich therapies that cost nothing thing.
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Dr. Amy
Right? Oh my gosh, that's amazing. So you will drink it all day long. It's not like you are battling a cancer or an autoimmune condition right now. Well, I guess it could be argued that you know, Lyme and EBV kick up autoimmune, but you're not. Right now you're not battling anything major. Let's say you are literally drinking CDS all day, every day for overall health.
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Jonathan Otto
Yes. Correct.
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Dr. Amy
Beautiful.
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Jonathan Otto
Correct.
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Dr. Amy
That's amazing. Now I've also heard it tied to autism and how it is really helping autistic kids. And I have a 13 year old, non verbal, highly, highly autistic, developmentally delayed stepson and I've, I've sent many a podcast of yours and I will send her this one as well to his mom and you know, there's always that pushback, especially with people that aren't in kind of our health world and really absorbing this kind of information. There's that pushback of the word, of the first word in cds. Chlorine.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah.
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Dr. Amy
And everybody, you said it before, but I want you to expand on this, that it's, it's not a pool cleaner, it's not what you're going to put in your pool. And, but that, that word is a barrier of entry for some people to give to their kids.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah, absolutely. And your statement before there, there are thousands of documented cases of autism late stage, like high a tech scores getting turned around completely with CDS specifically and exclusively. Not to mention that which doesn't mean 100 if you stack in light therapy and other detox, chelating agents, edta, even nicotine, surprisingly extremely effective in helping these children turn around these, these diagnoses. So it's not the same thing. And it's, it's, it's. And it's also not the same thing as, as bleach, which is hypochlorite. So it's also not that. So again like lots of misinformation and lots of gender, just either blatant denials of chemistry, which is so basic like a primary school student could work out that this is actually just sodium and chloride, two salts activated by hydrochloric acid that form this molecule, that this compound that then allows your body to absorb, in this case oxygen at such a dramatic ratio per cell, you know, not short of 11 million oxygen molecules. And, and so when it's stabilized as well, and so people can look up as well how to make it, how to make CDS go to rumble and look up how to make it. And you see people like Dr. Calca explain how to stabilize that or buy a stabilized form which would be like a 3,000 parts per million, which, which is very cheap still. And then you could just then put 10ml of that in a liter of water of the stabilized form. The equivalent in drops would be 10, 10 drops of the part A, which is sodium chloride, and 10 drops of part B in a cup outside of adding it to water, wait for a minute for it to turn amber and then, and then add it to the water and the same thing, you do it in a bath, but you could push it to 30, 40, 50 drops of each and then wait for that to activate and just for, in a minute and then, and then add it to a bath, get in the bath and it's, it's, it is really Amazing. The podcast I was just on this. This guy was in a really chronic state. He's. I was texting him, hey, do you want to do another show? His wife texted back and said, well, he can't because he's so sick. For four weeks he's had these chronic fevers and he. Something he got is causing this issue and he's just sleeping and. And then the show today was how he did exactly what I said on the bath. Exactly as I said it. Got in the bath for an hour and he's like, that just changed everything. I sweat all through the night, woke up and felt amazing. Yeah, it was really cool.
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Dr. Amy
Crazy. So like you said the unfortunate thing, and I know this is going to be on everyone's mind. It was the first question that I asked when I started learning about CDS is okay, where do I get it? Because I don't want to have to make it. I just want to buy it. But you literally cannot just buy it. That is how kind of suppressed this information is. Although I am going to bring up a couple studies that I found on. On cds, which actually surprises me that we have these studies in PubMed.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah.
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Dr. Amy
On NIH about the benefits of it. But it's still. It's so suppressed. You can't just buy it somewhere.
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Jonathan Otto
Well, thankfully, I would say you can on Amazon. You're it then.
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Dr. Amy
Well, I'll have to look again. I'll have to look again because I didn't see it there. But I was told by the person that kind of educated me on you and your knowledge that you have to make it. So that's kind of the route.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah, exactly. It's typically been that way, but now you've got the stabilized solution that you can purchase. Wps have one. And if you put in those words cds and then you could put wps. But. But. And then you know that thing that you put in pools solution and. And. And then. And cds, which is the stabilized form. Just put that into Amazon and you'll see the stabilized solution that you can purchase or you could make it. But. But the other thing is I want to debunk a myth there. To make this solution is easier than. Than making a pancake and easier than flipping an egg. And. And so it takes about two minutes of your time.
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Dr. Amy
Okay.
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Jonathan Otto
But it's a. It's a 24 hour process. But of the time that you're actually moving your hands around and following the instruction, it will literally two minutes of your time. But the upside in making it yourself is that it ends up Costing near nothing, whereas purchasing the stabilized solution costs a little bit more. But it's still nominal. And it's up to people whether they want to kind of learn and cut a corner or cut a corner and, but in either sense and either setting, you're, you're in good order. And to put it in the bath, you don't, you could just put part A, part B without having to make a stabilized solution. The upside with this stabilized solution is that it means that, that you don't have anything, any contraindications, any side effects and that it's just, it's just redundant at that point, at that dosage. And then any warning against it is based on literally somewhere around a hundred times the dose which, which is designed. And you'll find this in some of the, some of the propaganda is that it's trying to create anything in, in extraordinary high dose is going to be toxic. And anything you take, anything that's helpful for, and whether it's even vitamin C, you put like an, an amount that your body can't tolerate. And then now it's toxic. Now, now we could all teach everyone that vitamin C is toxic and it is at a super high dose. But yeah, at the right dose, no and no side effects, just helpful, no problems.
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Dr. Amy
And water could be toxic. I mean we, we know about people who have drank too much water too quickly and died. So even water can be toxic. To your point, now I mentioned before we can see studies on nih. This one that I have pulled up is the anti cancer potential of C D s in small cell lung cancer cells. And I mean it goes on to say that the anti cancer activity of this solution has a pretty potent effect on lung cancer. And there's a multitude of other studies that I pulled up. CDS is a possible adjunct to metabolic treatment in cancer. It's out there. Why, why, why is this not more available? Why are we not talking about this more? I mean it saved your family members, it saved three lives of Mel Gibson's friends. Why are we not hearing about this more?
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah, it's such a threat. You know, if you, if you have the big C, you're a, you're a nice customer at that point. And that's a, that's a $300,000 to $1.3 million treatment, right? Yes. And then you're, you're. But you'd say yeah, but it costs that much. Yeah, so you pay 10. So the, and all of how that system works and how they feed each other. So then you're up. Yeah, 10% of that, which could be, you know, you still could be up for $100,000 or more. So, so that's the reason why it's a big threat to the industry. There's a lot of people that are going to lose from this, and so they don't want you to know about it. That's just, that's just the sad reality. And you know, not everything's a conspiracy. And there are good people, good systems, there are good, good things that conventional medicine are doing. But this is an example where it's diabolical and that's the only reason. And like, people that understand, like, will understand the healing potential of oxygen. It speaks about that throughout the Bible. It speaks about the healing power of salt specifically. And the. It was understood to be of such value. Roman soldiers, as an example, were paid in part by salt. And that's the reason why we have the word salary. Salt is in the first part of that word, so it was understood to be of value. And there's verses in the Bible that say, be the salt of the earth, for if the salt has lost its savor or its saltiness, that it's good for nothing to be but to be trodden underfoot. So if salt is of no value, if it has no concentration, the opposite is also true. If salt has a high concentration, then it has high value. And clearly, biologically, you can see that because that's what your body uses to communicate cell to cell. And whenever you have disease, your body is lacking its abilities to cell signal and to communicate cell to cell. And so these are the, these are the things you want to harness. And, but yeah, that's, there's, there's simple reasons why we're not being told and why it's being obstructed from us.
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Dr. Amy
It's actually, it's just, it's such a shame I have no words. It's. It's so mind blowing. I know it's not surprising. I mean, my gosh, if you've been alive since 2020, you know that you just can't really trust the entire medical system anymore or our government. But it's just a shame. So there are some pretty amazing stories that I have heard regarding CDS treatment and, and we'll, we'll stay with cancer first, but then I want to even topical and wound healing. So the gentleman that I was consulting with who turned me on to Calker's work to you, even to Dr. Brian Artist that I'm going to be interviewing in a few weeks on nicotine, you had mentioned that earlier. He was telling me the story of a gentleman that he was working with that. Or maybe it was a woman that he was working with with a tumor that was. Let's. I'm not going to remember the exact numbers, but let's say it was like 6 millimeter tumor and she had to have it taken out. But obviously they were also recommending chemotherap therapy, radiation afterwards. And she started using CDS and red light that we're going to be talking about next by the time. And she actually pushed for another PET scan, ultrasound, whatever it was, to measure the size of her tumor prior to her going into surgery and starting additional cancer therapies afterwards, like chemo, it reduced down to like a 0.6 centimeter millimeter. I mean it shrunk that much from implementing exactly what we're talking about today day. That's pretty powerful. I mean that's a, you can't, that's not a placebo effect. You know, you can't, you can't. Placebo. The use of CDS and red light. It's either going to work or it's not. What other stories do you have that will just kind of blow people's mind and really drive home the point that this can work?
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah, absolutely. Well, I, I could show you some examples and it's, it's really cool for people to see this real time. When you understand the physiology of what it is that causes these malforming cells. It's, it's, it's a lack of energy. So cancer thrives in low voltage environments. The cells that are not able to get the information they need don't make a transition into a normal healthy cell. And so when people understand this point is one of the most important points for people to, to, to take home. It's the reason why a red light works. It's the reason why PMF works. It's all to do with the fact that this, the cells are obstructed through toxins. On getting what they need to form cells, your body's continually producing stem cells. And this is where every organ turns over. Like the same heart you have now is not the same heart you had a few years ago. Everything is replaced. Every organ regenerates. Every, every part of your body regenerates, replaces with new cells. So now if you, if these cells don't form into normal healthy cells, then they, they form what is referred to as cancer. Cancer is, is the most nebulous, this ominous nonsensical word as well, because it's from the Chinese Star sign, which is a crab that grows and doesn't stop growing. So, yeah, so it's not even telling you anything other than something is growing and not. Not stopping its growth. And it's getting bigger and it's like, well, here's the problem. I've got this thing. I got to get it out. But the. But you got to change the terrain. You got to change the environment. Because the. The reason why the cell formed in that way was because it was deprived. It was deprived of the electrical current that. That that cell needed to get the information it needed to change from a stem cell into an eye cell, into a liver cell, into a heart cell. And then they keep congregating these areas that have been deprived of energy and of oxygen. And. And they're not also, they're not getting antibodies, they're not getting the hormones and cytokines. And then this is where you form these cancer stem cells. And then cancer stem cells then influence the progression of the tumor cells. And that's the whole equation. Once people get that and they say, okay, well, let's give the cells. You can see examples like this. It's okay if I share my screen?
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Dr. Amy
Oh, yeah, please do.
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Jonathan Otto
Awesome. So this is an example of seeing this in real time. So this was a series I did called Cancer Secrets. And so you'll just see this video of these before and afters. Yeah, there we go. Me with short hair. Let's see some of these. Some of these will be a little graphic. So forewarned. It's up to you if you watch this.
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Dr. Amy
So there's a YouTube or not.
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Jonathan Otto
Right.
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Dr. Amy
Or just listen. Yeah, that's pretty. That's pretty gnarly. So though, for those just listening, this is a. What is that? Where on the body is that?
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Jonathan Otto
That's a breast tumor.
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Dr. Amy
That is a breast tumor. Literally on top of her breast. That's not even being taken out yet.
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Jonathan Otto
No. And didn't get taken out. Came out by bathing it in CDS and the. The woman drinking it. And then. Now let's look at the regeneration healing. So now it's gone to. Oh, my goodness. A scarlet. That. That never had, like. I mean, there's no scarring.
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Dr. Amy
No, there's nothing. So literally the tumor inside of her breast. And I. And I have heard this. I was going to ask you about it as well, that with cds it can literally kind of make it come to the surface. So that's essentially what happened to her, is the tumor inside started coming out and then dying.
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Jonathan Otto
Yes, exactly. And. And there are many cases where there's, and, and in most cases it doesn't, it doesn't need to come out. But in this. And like, you know, these examples here is nothing is necessarily like coming out. It's just reinstructing those cells. It's giving them what they need. And so if it's, if it's in the bones, it's not coming out, but it's, it's been used for bone. C word. And so you see that, that, that gum, let's just call it a malformation. And then let's have a look at this one that's coming out of the belly. Yeah. And so then, I mean, this is just kind of skipping forward to the after. But then you see the same person and look. And just so people know as well, I mean, they' years of study at the calca foundation and Cal has been on it for 18 years. And since they've had their foundation, they've been documenting in clinical, clinical settings the before and afters. So it's, it's awesome. And I can tell you, like, every doctor that has a clinic in this country will not use it in the clinic. Even the clinics in Mexico will not use it in their clinics. They, even those guys have to have people do it outside in the, in the hotels. That's it's. It. Not even.
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Dr. Amy
Because nobody wants to go to jail.
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Jonathan Otto
That's why. Exactly.
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Dr. Amy
Yeah.
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Jonathan Otto
That's the reason. Yeah. And so, yeah, it's, it's awesome. And then you can go to sites like, you go to andreascalka.com and you could look at the protocols there. You change it to the language that you need it in. And, and so you've got all the protocols. Like, so it's not just drinking his. Here's the enema, but here's the enema drip. So while you're sleeping, you're, you're having it drip rectally using a urethra. Urethra. A urethra catheter rectally, and then it's dripping so that you're getting a consistent supply of oxygen while you're sleeping. This is the reason why they're most, most often sending them home after three weeks, even though you could do this from home. And, and even in this setting, they're doing it just in the hotel rooms outside of the clinic anyway. But so you've got all the, the protocols there. You've got all the safety studies with the, you know, cautions and the toxicity and how it's been used for these conditions here, which, and the clinical evidence and so what they've observed clinically with, with you know, groups that are doing it and groups that aren't so they could show side by sides and yeah, very robust in, in, in that and very well trusted by you know, thousands of, of medical doctors. There's, there's around 6,000 doctors that have gone under their training. But this, there's around a year ago, there's around 10 million people around the world doing this. I, I think we're probably in the 20, 30 million mark and I'm looking forward to, I, I want to help get Caler on the Rogan show and, and, and, and any other major platform. I'm obviously happy to, to do anything in that regard but happy for all these guys to get their information directly to some of the bigger platforms. And I mean this is a great and a wonderful platform as well. Like, so just this is how we're getting the word out. But you can you learn more on these sites and get some of these books that exist. Here's an example@voedia.com that's an 800 page book for the achieved health. Going to click on English here. And it's got a, it's a multimedia book. So it's got the videos and diagrams and everything. So you can make the choice there to get a multimedia book. And so yeah, this is, this is really cool. They, they could have obstructed this and said okay look, we want to, we want to make a lot of money from this. But they didn't, they just made it open source. And that's my, my, my, my goal with everything, to make everything open source.
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Dr. Amy
And the bottom line is the information is out there, what you just showed me and we'll put that, that link in the show notes for Andreas Calker's website. I mean that, that's loaded with information. I didn't even jump on that. I was just listening, listening, listening. But I, I never went down that rabbit hole. There's so much out there and like you said about the safety profile. So anyone who maybe is listening, especially parents of autistic kids, I get it. You know, you, you want to take care of your kids. It's one thing to experiment on yourself as an adult, but then you know when you're going to give something to your child. I get it, I get it. But here's the thing. I mean when we're looking at autism, there's no cure, there's no treatment out there right now. You just ride it out and you take care of that child till the day you die. And he or she may go into some kind of assisted living home. If you can give them a chance. Chance?
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah.
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Dr. Amy
Like if there's even a chance. And I've heard, and I forget her name, you'll know it.
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Jonathan Otto
Carrie Rivera.
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Dr. Amy
Yes, yes, yes, yes. And I've heard her talk about just all of the kiddos that she has helped and some of them literally starting to speak again who were nonverbal.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah, yeah. It's so beautiful. It's. That's the most rewarding part of, of everything to see those things. Absolutely. And, and, and I can show those films as well, of the before and afters. We've, we've collected them and, and then to give people an idea as well. When you, when you like this, this book is floating around on the, on the Internet, so you could find it for free or you could, you know, just support that group. But, but look at the, look at the pages in the protocols which we mentioned. But now look at chapter four. Look at all the different conditions. So every one of these conditions has a case study to back it. And then it shows you the protocol that they used. So it's just made it really easy. And Achieved Health is an updated version. This is about 400 page book. Achieved Health is 800 pages. And it was just very. So, but this is just available to, to, you know, to have a quick look at all the, all the categories. And then so you say, okay, well, I've got this, I've got something like this condition. Let's, let's try this out. And when in doubt, it's really just this simple protocol of to put 10ml of the solution in a liter of water and drink it about 10 times through the day. So, like, you know, don't make it so complicated that you think that you can't do it. It's not complicated. Everyone can do it. Yeah. There's an example. That's the malaria study under Jim Humble. And there's Jim, there's Jim and Andreas and him. And the three of those, Carrie Rivera. They go back a long time. And I've been helping Carrie to understand the key parts that she's been missing, which is she'd be happy to say that with, you know, combining in the nicotine, which, which in every patient that she saw it given to it, stopped the aggression for the children with autism, and then adding in lithium orotate, which is natural, not to be disguised, to be mistaken, with the drug that also provided a tremendous response, and then adding in the red light therapy. Very Specific in how it's correcting the mitochondrial function which we can talk about as well. And the benefits of pulsed electromagnetic field therapy and how they work together together kind of like a basically making people like a med bed in their homes to replicate the fields of how nature heals. Like when you think about when you stand out in the sun and you're on the ground and if you're barefoot, you're getting the electrons of the earth while you're getting the sun rays to correct all the frequencies in the body that are off. But then if you can enhance that through red light and, and a pulse electromagnetic field mat and then you're, you're, you're, you're kind of xing even a hundred xing what you can find in nature and amplifying the fields that are how the body, that they don't heal the body, the body heals itself under the influence of the frequencies that correct the body's natural processes.
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Dr. Amy
Do you ever feel like your energy is just off? Like you're not fully alive during the day and then you're restless and at night chances are your circadian rhythm, your body's natural clock has been disrupted by a lack of sunlight. So what's the solution? This is where I bring in the Mitolux sun lamp. It is designed to mimic the best of the sun, helping restore your body's rhythm. UVB for vitamin D that helps our energy. Red and infrared light for mitochondrial support. And let's not forget our skin and collagen formation. It's amazing. It's like a reset button for your health that you just turn on and then sit in front of and enjoy. And during those long gloomy winters, those long days, it's a lifesaver. No more winter blues by the way, improves your mood. No more low energy, improves your energy energy. So you need to get yourself a mito luxe lamp. It's so portable, it's so easy. I sit it on my desk, I take it with me to my bathroom, I stick my face in front of it. After I wash my face, put on my serum. It is amazing for your skin but amazing for your energy. Amazing for your mood. You want to go to mitolux.com forward/doctor Amy so that's M I T E D o l u x.com forward/d r a M I E. You're going to use the code? Dr. Amy they are giving me the code to give to you for 10% off. You will not regret it. This is the best, best, best red light, hands Down. I have many of them in my house. This is the only one that I use. It is so easy, portable, and it works. The most important thing thing is it works. So miterlux.com forward slash Dr. Amy, don't forget to use the code. Dr. Amy. Well, this is a perfect transition into red light because that's what I, what I want to talk about next. And I've said this before, I said it to you off air, before we came on. You know, I hear so much about red light, so much about it. I tried really hard to find evidence against like I, I, I wanted to find that evidence that said, you know what, all that red light stuff, it's just bullshit. It's, you're just shining a pretty red light on yourself and that's it. And people are making money. I couldn't find anything. It's all positive. Every single study out there. Now I was specifically looking for red light and thyroid and how it can actually help the thyroid work better and help people with their symptoms of low thyroid function. I didn't at that point of time go into red light and cancer. Cancer. But the bottom line is I, I, I couldn't find anything negative. It was all positive. Study after study after study. So let's start with how does red light actually help in cancer? And then we can throw in the thyroid as well, for sure.
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Jonathan Otto
Amazing. So the way that, that we're interfacing with the body through light is really about just understanding how cells function and how they're deprived of the things that they, that they need. And there's a, there's a reason to sprayed in the skies that certain laws finally are coming out against this in the state of Florida that are even blocking the healing potential of the sun. That being said, I wouldn't get, I wouldn't let that turn people off. People still need to get in the sun. It's, it's very effective. The sunrise and sunset is when there's a particular high amount of the red, which is why that those wavelengths within the optical window, which is that 600 to 1100 nanometers, which is the red and near infrared, near infrared is 800 and up. They're interfacing with the mitochondria in such a power half away. And so thyroid cells and every organ cell is filled with cells that have mitochondria that surround the nucleus. They account for about 25% of the cells. And when they receive light, they can produce a substance called ATP, which is adenosine triphosphate, which is a fluorescent substance. Phosphorus, for example, that was first discovered in the urine translates the bringer of light. And so the body under light will produce light. And the reason why this is valid, valuable and it's not just like a gimmick, because it's hard to imagine that something like even what I've got lighting up the background here is actually like a light, like it's actually like a red light device.
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Dr. Amy
Right?
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah. And so this is an example of, I'll just put that in, in shot there. But that's an example of getting light into the cells that the body can then utilize for cellular function. So I'll give an example with the thyroid. So the thyroid has a high concentration of mitochondria. And so if the thyroid producing thyroid hormones then wouldn't you just want to put what into the cell, what would help it produce energy so that it could perform all cellular function? Which would be everything from detoxification, which the thyroid needs detoxification. And then you could try to use detoxification supplements which don't detoxify, they support the body's detoxification processes as does light. But the cells do this naturally under, when they have energy to do so. Yeah, and I'll give you an example on that. There was a Study done with 15 chronic autoimmune thyroiditis patients and they put them on it for five weeks, which is not long, 20 minutes twice a week. They then do a nine month follow up, which means they've been off it for about eight months. And now guess what happens, 47% of them don't need Synthroid or Levothyroxine at all. They're all producing or in the 47% of their group, they're all producing LT4 Nat naturally with no need now for any thyroid drugs. And then the other group, the rest, the other 53% all have a significant, a big drop in their need for LT4. So everyone has a benefit. There's not a single person that doesn't have any benefit. There's no one that has side effects. In fact there's no side effects recorded. Of the hundred million patients that have been treated by the way, 100 million patients treated by red light, there's no side effects. There's about 80 studies coming out per month. So pretty cool. And then now you just think about that with all types of disease, any organ that's affected, you have a hereditary disposition to a certain condition. Because your parents or your dad had a heart condition or they had a liver condition. Well it probably the biggest factor is that their Diet is similar to your diet. You guys are in a similar area in the world. You're drinking from the same water system. There's reasons why you've got what dad has and what mom has. Firstly, epigenetics means that whatever disposition you have, you could just switch it on and off like, like fail proof, just straight, straight line turn. You're not, you're not predisposed in that setting anyway. But then now when you apply light to cancer, you look at something called photodynamic therapy, which is where you see the big buzz around. Methylene blue, which is photosensitizer, hypersensitizes the cells to light so then they can absorb light at a high capacity, including the tumor cells. And what this does is heightens the rate at which the body produces reactive oxygen species in the presence of light, which it's whether you use a photosensitive agent or not. And those reactive oxygen species will go and target disease cells, senescent cells and tumor cells and cause apoptosis. Some of these forms of oxygen as singlet oxygen as an example, which is highly lethal to disease cells. And it's so powerful it's used in military settings. It's been used to shoot missiles that are airborne. And so your body will produce this substance naturally which is again fluorescent, it's red. And your body will then make this go and kill bad cells. So there's, there's studies on PubMed where you'll see the trials on lymphoma. They'll do a pilot trial, they'll put three people in it. Cutaneous B cell lymphoma. They all go into remission in a single week after two sessions. Unbelievable. But I could show you, I'll show, I'll show you the clinical data on that. So you can see, because people shouldn't believe that it's too quick. And I don't think anyone should expect a result that quickly. But it's just, but it's in the, it's in the documents, it's in. On the nih, NIH website. And then that's a small case study. But then there's large case studies like the Lancet Oncology study was published in Lancet Oncology, which specifically showed of the 413 participants that 49% go into complete remission under the red light, which is called a vascular targeted photodynamic therapy. Only, only 13.5% in the control group that aren't taking light, which means that you, and they're all doing conventional therapies, by the way. They're not doing any other alternative therapies. And, and still half of them go into complete remission under that therapy, which is a 400% increase between the two groups. And I'll just quickly show before and after on the, on the PubMed. PubMed website with cutaneous B cell lymphoma. And you see the fine print underneath it? You see how it's a complete response.
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Dr. Amy
Wow. Yes.
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Jonathan Otto
And, and how many sessions?
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Dr. Amy
Two. Is that two or three? Three sessions. Wow.
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Jonathan Otto
And that's the cutaneous lymphoma foundation showing a 60 to 90% effectiveness rate. And then here's the, here's the other actual description there where you'll see that it was in this study it was 3, 630 nanometer wavelength. It says the amount of power that was delivered. Then it says all treated patients had complete remission, defined as a clinical and histologic complete absence of cutaneous B cell lymphoma. And look after a maximum of two photodynamic therapy sessions at a one week interval, no side effects.
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Dr. Amy
Wow. That's insane. So, okay, they were in all cases a four hour occlusion time was performed. Does that mean that they were under the light four hours?
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Jonathan Otto
It actually means that they covered it for four hours thereafter. The occlusion is the covering after the light. So meaning that they, it's like light and darkness actually work together. No one's talking about this. There's a reason why we're supposed to sleep in the dark as dark as possible and be. And if you did light before you went to bed, then you've got like an 8 hour occlusion time over your whole body. Pretty cool, right?
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Dr. Amy
Yeah. Yeah, that's. Okay. Well, that's actually what I do. I was going to ask you about the wavelengths as well. I want to ask about wavelengths and then I want to ask about quality of red light.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah.
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Dr. Amy
So this particular study uses 630 nanometer wavelength. What are the differences? And, and what do we look for when we're looking to purchase a red light for a specific condition? Let's say one person wants it for better collagen production in their skin, but the other one wants it to fight cancer.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah, absolutely. So, so it's, this is so interesting that you would generally think that the, the deeper the better. So you would think, okay, well, like, let's get the deepest light. And, but the, but the problem with that is that you may not interface with the area that needs to be interfaced in the body. And so it needs to be the right Wavelength for which is what you're alluding to for the right condition. And so that's all to do with the, the where that organ sits in the body and at what layer where that organ is being affected. And so you'll see this, this gives you an example. So surprisingly maybe for some people the light therapies need to be, need to be in high enough irradiance, which, which means that you are, there's only really two that are going to score the highest in that category. One would be lasers. But lasers are so expensive, like literally 20, 20 times 10 times, 20 times 30 times the cost of LEDs. But they don't deliver any additional benefits from all the studies. I, uh, and in fact, because LEDs give the ability for the whole body to be treated and at home use and LEDs outperform. But then you'd say LEDs sound like it's bad, but LED just stands for light emitting diode. And the reason why LEDs can be harmful is if they have high flicker rates and they're harmful, but if they don't flicker then it's a consistent source of light. That means that the signal is not confused, the body doesn't have an issue with it. In fact it's, it's, it's what's showing. Like those studies that I just presented were using light emitting diodes. LEDs. Really cool, right? So then to answer your other question here, here's examples of some of the most proven wavelengths and here's why. Look at how 480 which is a blue light. Again, a lot of confusion around blue light. People think it's universally bad. It's not. If it's a consistent light source, it's arguably the best for depression, it's the best for skin rejuvenation, it's the best for circadian rhythm, it's, it's well proven for prenatal care, hair and, and so that's an example. And then 590 is really good for the skin epidermis, the dermis, the 630. We just found that for the lymphoma study which is getting closer towards the subcutaneous tissue. 660 was the most proven for breast cancer. And I'll show a study that showed a 40 drop in 24 hours outside the body. It was in a petri dish, but it was human cells, both triple negative and non triple negative breast cancer origin cell lines using 660. After all the wavelengths that they tested, 660 was the only one that could do the drop and 670 is an example of one that's been heavily proven for eyesight. Three minutes with the eyes open in the morning equated to an immediate 17 improvement in eyesight, color, contrast, vision, myopia improved by 17% immediately then 8, 10 and up all gets into the muscle, bone, interior tissues and we'll get to the deepest part of the bone and the organs. And then so then like to answer your question in detail. So clinical studies on all of these exist and people can, this is where people should be using Google and Chat, gpu, GPT. And they should be actually just putting in their condition and red light and say what wavelengths are proven. And then the other thing that you can ask is how long. And then the other thing is what photosensitive compounds which are not, they're not always needed. Or, or they're not. You can use light in and of itself without using any photosensitive aspect and expect dramatic results. But if you, if you really want to get rid of a chronic condition, it's worth adding that in. And so it, you'll find methylene blue, you know, activates at 660 nanometers and, and you take it 30 minutes before you go in front of the red light. And so you ask what photosensitizers were used in these studies? What's the most effective one out of all the studies? And so it's really cool that we have the ability to scour the Internet and to be able to reference all the millions of people that this has been tested on to get the best result for someone's own body. So you'll see all the conditions that were listed here. So I don't know of anything that can actually tickle these categories as well as light, anti aging, acne scars, rosacea, hair growth range, wrinkles, sun damage, droopy eyelids, broken capillaries, all the things that every woman watching is particularly thinking a lot about. But men are thinking about it too. Let's not generalize. We. No one wants the turbo age, pain relief, wound healing, injury healing, oral health, muscle building, building.
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Dr. Amy
Wait, flip back to the first one because for people that are not watching one more go forward. Yeah, weight loss, fat burning, cellulite reduction and metabolism. Now, I know we're focused on cancer today, but my listeners are really concerned about these things because their thyroid and hormones are in the tank, so they're struggling with weight. I had no idea that red light could actually help us with our overall metabolism as well.
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Jonathan Otto
Oh yeah, and, and it's for multiple reasons. It's because it's working with the thyroid. And so if you fix the thyroid, you fix the issue with the metabolism and you can fix weight gain problems. And I'll show you the specific studies on that with hat Hashimoto's. And the one that's not as studied is Graves disease. But I've seen personal case studies where people went into remission on Graves disease with light therapy and went from bedridden to competing in marathons within two and a half weeks. This is. I'm referencing a particular individual. Her name is Shannon. But like, so I've seen it correct. Overactive thyroids. But the. Yeah, because. But. But it's not just that. It's the fact that it's also like, helping to break open the fat cells and like, kind of like the melting of. Of. Of fat cells and there's. Is that the weight is often to do with swelling. The swelling is all connected to toxicity. And that's a form that's. That's edema. And so you're correcting that issue. So it's really cool that all these different mechanisms are happening at the same time and you're just dealing with cells and dealing with the cellular potential because if your body is unwell, your cells are unwell. If you fix your cells, you fix everything because everything is based on how the cells are un. Operating. Pretty, pretty cool, right?
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Dr. Amy
That's so cool. Okay, so I just saw you reach around, you turned your red light on behind you. So it's probably what, maybe three feet from you.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah.
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Dr. Amy
When we're looking at these different conditions that we want to target. So let's say something like, well, I'll go skin and then I'll go cancer and thyroid. So skin. Ultimately, we would want it pretty much right up against our face or wearing like the red light micro mask to actually stimulate that collagen regeneration. We wouldn't. Like, you're not getting collagen stimulation from three feet away, right?
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Jonathan Otto
No, you'd get a. You'd get a bit. And like, this is very much for a backdrop right now. Right. And so I wouldn't be wearing a blazer. I. And so I'm not going to conduct the interview without a shirt on for just.
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Dr. Amy
Unless you're Ben Greenfield. And then you would.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah, there you go. Exactly. And. And yeah, I was at a. As I was at a thing and somebody was doing a roast of him on stage. Stage. It was like a Maha thing. Anyway, talking about him heavy breathing because he's working out his treadmill and they gave him A good roast. It was funny, but yeah. So you want to be close with. With anything. And 3 inches is typically what I'm recommending. You could be like, typically, most studies will kind of go around the. The 6 inches mark, but considering that there's been no adverse effects, you could be an inch away. And. And so it's just. And the other thing is, you could be longer. Like, let's say, for example, if I wanted to be a foot and a half away because I wanted to curl weights at the same time, but then I could be there slightly longer, or I could have my back to it and I could be working away. So you've got to just find ways to, like, make it work for you, and then you want to have it over the affected regions as much as possible. That being said, you can take devices that are designed to, you know, just clip onto you like this, and then you are still going to get systemic benefit. Even though you may only have it over one part of the body. It will transmit light through the whole body, but the more direct the exposure over that, it's just a more concentrated approach. But I've seen people use devices like this from. From my company's example, and they're getting tremendous benefit with anything from fibromyalgia to chronic fatigue syndrome and things that you would only expect to be. It could only work on a localized problem, but it's working in a systemic fashion.
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Dr. Amy
Right. Okay, so now do most red light devices have all of the wavelengths, or do you specifically have to be looking at and purchasing. Let's say I want to hit skin. Well, I need to go back to that chart and look up what wavelength do I need for skin rejuvenation and college information? And then. Okay, I need to buy another red light because I want to go deeper and target the deep tissues.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah.
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Dr. Amy
For cancer. I mean, do you have to buy a bunch of different ones or they call it kind of all in one?
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah. So. Well, I'll tell you what we did. And then. And then when people are thinking about this, they can just find things that kind of match some of those concepts. But that has nine different wavelengths. I've set that to about like, 10% of the power right now so that it doesn't blow out the whole image.
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Dr. Amy
Yeah.
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Jonathan Otto
And. And so you'll see here all the different wavelengths by virtue of the colors, which is. Which is really cool. But then you'll see everything lit up, which is weird because near infrared is not visible, so you can't see it. So why is everything lit up. Normally you'd see half of them lit up. Well, it's a dual led, so it's got two different wavelengths emitting from the same diode. So that's one way is just, you know, finding a device that has like, let's say in this case, all nine wavelengths or. But even if you had a device that had four wavelengths, it wouldn't be like it didn't work because at least you'd still have the red and near infrared and you'd have key wavelengths. Interfacing with all these different layers of the body is smart because then you're looking now more like a full spectrum. Sunlight is clearly full spectrum. So you're replicating that by still get, but. But yet still getting the concentrated benefits within those specific wavelengths. So yeah, like this, this has five wavelengths in it. And these are examples of like just, just getting, you know, the most you can. Because we should not be running after diseases. We should be looking at overall wellness. Because the cancer that is, you know, the most prevalent is lung cancer. It's killing more people than prostate, colon cancer and breast cancer combined. And so if you had one issue with one cancer and then you were only going after that or you knew it was in the family, so you just going after that, you then be missing out on other things that could be even more lethal. So you want to make sure you're getting something that's getting into the lungs, which will be 8, 10, 8 30, 8, 50, 10 60, these wavelengths. So that kind of gives you a good summary. But generally speaking, if you had read a near infrared, which would be the like the typical two most wavelengths that are used, if I only had two wavelengths to use, it would be 6, 16, 850, they're the most studied. And then you would still be in good working order. It wouldn't be like it was a waste of your time. But there is an amplified benefit with, with more wavelengths.
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Dr. Amy
Okay now thank you for breaking that down because I was always confused about the wavelengths. And then what about the amount of time? Time is it, I guess, is it detrimental to. If you're really comfortable in your red light, sleeping bag, infrared sauna blanket, can you just hang out there for an hour or is there a point of diminishing returns?
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah, I like that you use that. Diminishing returns. It has been believed that anything beyond 20 to 30 minutes falls in that category of diminishing returns. And the good thing about that, if that were true, then it's not a big time commitment. And then let's go on the smallest end of the spectrum. Spectrum. First there was a study by Birmingham University that showed a one. They just did a one minute study. So one minute. So who's got a minute? Anyone here got a minute? Because everyone's like, I don't have time, I don't have 30 minutes. Well, and 1:1 increased cell viability by 45. So that's pretty good. Yeah. And that was a spinal cord injury study and it showed that it was regenerative the spine and it was protective, neuroprotective of the brain cells. It was a rat study, by the way. But they're not testing rats because they're trying to help rats. They're testing rats because they want to help humans. So just for the record, but there's human on single minute, even for fertility over the testicles for men as an example, extremely effective. And extremely effective in women in cases of incomplete infertility. There's a study that showed 60% of the women fell pregnant. And this wasn't, this wasn't adding in any other therapy, which we'd all recommend. That was just that I don't know of anything that can increase the ability for women to fall pregnant or men by that much in that short a time period. Or it has that universal in effect. So now on the highest end you could go. Based on the clinical studies, I found studies that go to an hour and a half and so effective. I don't mind sharing this one. Groups with very problematic conditions went into complete remission within a single week under these longer sessions. So I'll show you this study. You could see the title there.
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Dr. Amy
Wait, are we allowed to say that nowadays?
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Jonathan Otto
Which one?
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Dr. Amy
I thought it was only back in 2020 and 2021 that we couldn't say that C word. Oh yeah, we say that that keyword now.
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Jonathan Otto
Well, yeah, we can. It's true. I'm just being so careful because I'm getting into very much into the remission and reversal and. But yeah, I'm, I, I just.
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Dr. Amy
Okay, I'll say it. The emerging role of Photobiomodulation in COVID 19 Therapy Part 2.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah.
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Dr. Amy
So this is actually looking at acute and long Covid. So for all my long haulers out there.
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Jonathan Otto
Yep. This is conducted by the European Society of Medicine. And for people that understand what this is long Covid, that this is mostly caused by the injection.
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Dr. Amy
Yeah, it is, yeah.
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Jonathan Otto
And, but not exclusively. And this was whole organ photobiomodulation and specifically using LEDs and lasers. But it showed that the LEDs were the most Effective because it delivered a higher fluence. But here's the results which you need to know about which relate to everyone because these symptoms that people experience in this are very similar to symptoms that every one of the listeners would. Could potentially have some degree of. So together. Acute symptomatic recovery from. Look at the session length. From two 64 to 84 minute long sessions occurred within. Within three days for all 62 out of 62 patients. That is 100.
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Dr. Amy
You never see 100 in a study.
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Jonathan Otto
No. And then that's like everything about this study keeps getting better. Like if you thought that line was good, the next line is better because that's acute symptomatic recovery. That's not full recovery. Now let's talk about full recovery. Full recovery occurred within four sessions for all photobiomodulation patients. All but two cases resolved within one week. And that. Yeah, keeps getting better. Prophylactic benefits were recorded in 17 out of 17 asymptomatic to mild patients exposed to viral shedding of infected family members.
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Dr. Amy
Yeah, the shedding was real too.
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Jonathan Otto
100 effective photobiomodulation of long Covid. Outcomes include total resolution of dyspnea, which is shortness of breath, which people have that don't have this condition that don't have been diagnosed. But there's shortness of breath still. And they, they think it may be. It's because they're too, too out of shape. You actually may have dys apnea ability to maintain SBO2 above 97% without oxygen supplementation. So that oxygen in the blood is good. It's. It's, it's just fine. It's. Whereas it wasn't relief from digestive distress. Who has that issue a lot of the listeners. Elimination from brain fog. Who has that improved memory recall. Who can not remember where they put their keys. Restored executive function and symptom managing emotional deficits. And then it goes into this category of the two. There was two cases that they couldn't resolve. Unresolved cases in was was only 0.25% but these were severe long Covid anxiety. So that, that happens when you watch CNN too much and you can't cure that because it's. That's just anxiety. It's. That's just people being afraid of it. And then this other one which is nosophobia, which is the fear of getting diseases. So what does that tell you? That was 100% effective.
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Dr. Amy
Oh my gosh. You were just blowing my mind today. This is so much fun. I love this. This is crazy. This is all, these are all studies I had no idea were out there. We have not yet talked about that.
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Jonathan Otto
Wait till I show you the thyroid ones.
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Dr. Amy
Okay, let's go to the thyroid ones then. Let's do it.
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Jonathan Otto
Your audience gonna love this. Okay, ready?
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Dr. Amy
Yeah.
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Jonathan Otto
Check this. So because you, you're kind of surprised at the weight loss benefits and these now are connected, connected to hypothesis thyroidism. That was the case there that we documented with the, the marathon. She was able to compete in the Boston Marathon two and a half weeks after being bedridden. So this was a hypothyroidism study. This was 25 received low level light therapy and 18 had a placebo treatment. While both groups had similar occurrence of thyroid nodules, those who underwent the low level light therapy required significantly lower lower doses of levothyroxine. And look at, there's a clinical study there. This was for, this was for chronic autoimmune thyroiditis. 43 patients randomly were randomly assigned to either treatment group that received 10 treatments or sessions of low level light therapy or placebo group received 10 sessions of fake treatment and then they used these measurements. The reception results showed that LLLT group had a significantly higher frequency of normal blood flow in the thyroid, particularly in the inferior thyroid artery, compared to the placebo group. The findings suggest that the therapy is effective. There's a clinical study there. It keeps getting better. Here again, here's a red light for thyroid dysfunction. A 50 nanometer light. So now, so this is specifically now from the thyroids that have been damaged by radiation. And this was, was it, it helped in this by regulating key molecules and hormones involved in thyroid function. Camp, thyroglobulin, thyroid stimulating hormone and, and, and then PBM also helped to restore cell growth and activity in thyroid cells after they were harmed by radiation. So, and now look at this. This was the Hashimoto study. This was with two groups. The group that had a placebo and the other group is the Hashimoto's group group that had the light therapy study aimed to see whether PBM could help improve thyroid function. 74 women, pretty good, pretty good size. With Hashimoto's two groups, one get a fake treatment, one get a real one applying light. And look at, look at how, how poorly this study was done. It was just red light wavelength for twice a week for three weeks. So only for three weeks. Only twice a week.
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Dr. Amy
Only twice a week, right?
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah. So after three and six months now they follow up three and six months later, meaning that they're were off it for the, for the rest of the time. The group that received photobiomodulation therapy showed better results. They had lower levels of thyroid stimulating hormone, thyroid antibodies and needed less LT4. They also saw improvements ready in body measurements like body mass index, waist to hip ratio and hip to waist circumference. The results show that study is PBM therapy when combined with standard treatment which could be the iodine, the probiotics, the, the selenium which is documented in some of these studies as well may offer additional benefits. Last one I'll show here, there's the clinical study as well.
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Dr. Amy
Real quick pause on that one because the one thing I noticed too is that these people were taking people with hypothyroidism or Hashimoto's take levothyroxine LT4 to replace thyroid hormone. They lack T4 only. And I always talk about this on the show, that T4 only never works. To truly get someone optimized and relieve them of their symptoms. We always use T4 and T3 like in natural desiccated thyroid. Thyroid or we'll add in some cytomel to the T4. We never have someone on T4 only. This even worked on crappy non working T4 only treatment. Yeah, so that's impressive.
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Jonathan Otto
There you go. Yep, exactly. So, and, and here's a really good case in point. A lot of people will not go and do something because they're afraid they're going to do it wrong and then they just don't do it. Whereas think about if you did it completely, completely wrong, you could still get results if you just did the, the right therapies, even at not the right intervals. And so just get out of your own way. Do something that will make a better outcome for you and your family and your loved ones that kind of are all dealing with the challenges that happen to you. You can do it. I believe in you. Okay, last one. This is the best one. So safety study of red light therapy for thyroid health. This was 15 patients, 10 sessions over five weeks. I ment this one before but at least you can see it now in, in fine print. So after nine months, 47% need no LT4. And so this is chronic autoimmune thyroiditis, which means that these will be Hashimoto's. And then people that just have underactive thyroids and then as you can see they all have a reduced, reduced patient. So like some patients, it doesn't say that, just says patients required a reduced dosage. But then 47% don't need any. Which means that if they had have put people on it for the whole time for the nine month follow up because they've been off it for eight months, seven weeks, seven months, three weeks. They've been off the red light therapy and 47% don't need it anymore at this point. But they'll probably need it again. They'll probably all go back to needing LT4 because you're not supposed to just get red light once in your life, you're supposed to get it. That sun will show you that you're supposed to get it twice a day.
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Dr. Amy
Right.
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Jonathan Otto
But if you only did it twice a week, you would still expect to put that in remission if you continued on in that trip treatment. So there you go. And there's the clinical study showing that finding.
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Dr. Amy
So that's so mind blowing. I had no idea. Like, thank God I've been doing red light without all this knowledge but, and I've been getting the benefits of it. But now I know what I really have been achieving. And you know, I, I've been posting about this that like I said earlier, I decided to get the, the surgery to remove the cancer, the hysterectomy. But I healed so quickly. I mean, they say, you know, no working out until 6 week mark. I was back in the gym in 10 days because I know my body and I didn't obviously push it to the max, but I was still doing something and working out. But it was all of these things that I was doing, including daily red light, that I truly believe help speed the healing, not just of the wounds themselves. I mean, yeah, those look really, really good. Really teeny tiny scars. But internally I healed very, very quickly.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah. Amazing. That's awesome. That is so awesome.
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Dr. Amy
So I don't want to let you go before touching on this third topic that we mentioned in the beginning that I have not studied at. You blew me away with red light therapy. Now you got to blow me away again with urine therapy. And it's just so I have to, I, I, I don't know if you've had this reference on any of the other shows that you've been on, but I have to reference dodgeball and.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah, so go say the line.
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Dr. Amy
Let's see, what does he say? He's like something about drinking his own urine.
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Jonathan Otto
Because, because why sterile?
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Dr. Amy
And I like the taste.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah, there you go.
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Dr. Amy
So urine therapy. Jonathan.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah.
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Dr. Amy
Break this down down for me.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah.
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Dr. Amy
And then I might start drinking my own pee based on this conversation.
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Jonathan Otto
Okay. Awesome. All right. So did you know that your kidneys filter about 180 liters of blood a day. And that filtration of the blood, once it goes to the kidneys is what we would all call urine. Which, the word urine just translates water. Okay. And so now what happens to that? 99% of it gets reabsorbed into the body. It's, it's actually just so you're basically, you're already absorbing urine because once it goes through the filtration of the kidneys, it gets reabsorbed. Now, 1% of it goes to the bladder, but it didn't go through any different filtration. It didn't had any, any other process by which it delineated toxins or anything like this, which is super interesting because everyone thinks that you detox through urine. You don't detox through urine. And so that 1% that goes to the bladder then comes out of the body. And then people say, yeah, well, I'm getting rid of it for a reason is what this probably body's supposed to do. But the reason why your body gets rid of it is for one reason. It's two reasons. It's to balance blood pressure. So your body has to do it to balance blood pressure. The other reason is because your body can't utilize it in that moment. So it doesn't matter if it's there, but it could re utilize it if it's reintroduced. And that's why, look at like Gatorade. Obviously it's a, not a good version, but the concept of electrolytes, or like a healthy electrolyte is mimicking urine. Saline is mimicking urine because it's water and salt. Whereas normally you get water out of a faucet, no salt. Whereas. What is urine? Well, it's 95% water and sodium and like, and, and, and then other electrolytes and actually 5600 documented small molecule metabolites. And so there's a lot. And what is that? Enzymes. Anybody? So why does the body give that back? It's the same reason that the body gives it back for babies in the womb. So babies are drinking hundreds of milliliters, up to a liter of urine per day in the womb. And then you say, no, that's amniotic fluid. Okay, so what happens when you have a baby urinating every one to three hours and you can watch this in an ultraso. You watch a drink, it's urine. What, what you would call urine. Whereas, like, you ate whatever you ate last night. I ate whatever I ate last night. And yes, I did actually this morning. I didn't Most mornings I actually do drink some of my urine. Okay. Which for the listeners that just ultimately are just like, I can't even listen to this guy anymore. I don't care. That's fine. I'm not here to be your, your yes man. I'm here to just tell you facts and science and there's no trust the science says Fauci, but no like literal, actual biological medical science. And it's so sad how much people just. You've been indoctrinated and that's the reason why this is so abhorrent to you. But the babies are drinking the urine to. Okay, so we ate different things last night, but whatever comes out, we'd still call that urine. So the baby's taking the mother's fluid and now it's started producing its urine. It's whatever it's drinking this what we call amniotic fluid because of the intervals of how much it's drinking and it's urinating. This is what we call urine because it's, that's what it's consuming. And then it's, it's. And it's urinating. And the filtration going through the kidneys and the babies have these processes. Now the babies are not in toxin free environments because that's the other thing people think, okay, well, the baby, you know, it doesn't get toxins in the womb, but it does. The placenta can't filter them out. And that's because they're too, they're just there, they're getting through the umbilical cord. When the environmental group working Group tested for 400, they found 287. They could have tested for 10,000, 100,000, but they tested for 400 of those. They found 200, 287. So it was going through the umbilical cord. Of those, 180 plus were proven to cause cancer, birth defects and brain deformations. How does the baby survive in general? And two, when it's urinating at the intervals I just mentioned and drinking at the intervals I just mentioned, it would be compounding its waste through the urine and then drinking it and then compounding that again and then drinking that, and it would become the most toxic waste. And now if you had the option to switch the urine for urine that didn't have those toxins that were influenced or the metabolites, because it's not actually the toxins. I'll explain that. If you could switch it first. Urine that had no interface, that came from an umbilical cord, that a stimulus by which it was completely free of any toxic exposure. You would then do something very dangerous to the baby. You would give it, you would rob it of all the antibodies that was giving itself. So what happens to the kidneys is it gives itself the antibodies to that glyphosate, to that Teflon, to the, to these forever chemicals. That's how the babies survive the womb. And once you work that out, you realize that your body has a unique prescription for you at any time and will always produce for you the antibodies that you need. And that's how, that's how urine therapy has always worked. That's why it's been the medicine through the centuries. That's why it's in the medical journals for cancer. That's why it's in the medical journals for autoimmune disease, for rabies, tuberculosis. Peptides, everyone's talking about peptides. People talking about all these derivatives. You, you know, urolithian A, urolithin A, uro, Urine, it's from urine urea, skincare products from urine, from your kinase, urokinase, premarin, pregnant mare, urine. For all the functions that these are used for synthetic urine. Carbamide is synthetic urine. So what do you think is used for ear infections? For a synthetic form of urine with hydrogen peroxide, which urine has in it. So what do you think happens when you put urine in your ears? It heals ear infections. What happens when you put in in your eyes? It can heal issues in the eyes. I've seen it a lot. So anyway, there you go. Fun fact.
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Dr. Amy
Yeah, that is, that is a fun fact. Okay, so is it as simple though as we catch our morning urine in a cup and slam it down or do we have to filter something? Do we have to do something to it?
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Jonathan Otto
No, you don't have to do anything to it. If you had a skyscraper size filter, New York skyscraper, filled with filters, and you put something in the top and put it, you know, you came out the bottom. Whatever came out the bottom would not be as good as what the K kidneys can do. Your kidneys are the best robust filters that you could imagine. And your body knows what it's giving you. And it's a unique prescription. It was good enough for the babies in the womb. Babies typically come out perfect. And the cases of babies getting cancer in the womb is so rare. And it's because of this mechanism, I'm telling you, it's because they're continually signaling themselves with antibodies. Like in order to make it easier, you do the first morning Clear urine and then you get used to it, and once, like, because it just tastes like water at that point, and you realize what you've been lied to about the other thing you could do. And then you could move to the first morning urine that has a high concentration of minerals and antibodies and so forth. But then you can mix it with anything as well. And if there's any women facing UTI, men as well, it should clear the UTI in 12 hours. And because you're. It's not a urine infection, it's a urinary tract infection. So you, you know, send the clearest signal to that part of the body and give it what it's needing, and you can heal these conditions. We've seen it happen so many times. And I've seen people with all these poisons in their body because of the injections that they got recently, and I've seen those people have complete remission of all symptoms. And I took a lot of heat on this one, but it's. It was worth it because a lot of people got their lives back really quickly.
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Dr. Amy
Well, no, yeah. I appreciate you just going out on a limb with all of these therapies because the amount of people that you're helping is just uncountable. I mean, it just keeps spreading with every podcast that's released with this information. But it's interesting you mentioned the injection. So that was my next question is what if someone is putting garbage in? Whether it's, you know, the injection, whether it's eating McDonald's every day, smoking, taking a boatload of prescription drugs. All of that is filtered through our kidneys. So they're not literally drinking and reabsor absorbing in a 10xing their toxin load.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah. Okay. So even more reason to do it if you are doing any of the things that you just mentioned. I'll give you an example. What is the most lethal thing that could end your life? The quickest of all things that are involved, that they're in their environment. I would say it's actually straight up animal venom. So if you got bitten by a. A deadly scorpion or a spider. Yeah. Okay. That would be the worst. Because that's the right. Or like. Or you got a lethal dosage of cyanide or something like that.
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Dr. Amy
Right.
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Jonathan Otto
So what would I do? Or what have I done on people that have had these situations happen in front of my eyes? Which is true. And I could give you cases of this is I would absolutely tell them to drink their urine immediately to save their life. And I've seen It save lives. I saw it happen in Kenya this time last year. We're out in the middle of nowhere. This girl had a deadly, deadly scorpion bite. According to locals, she looked like she was on, on. On death edge and on the ground, eyes rolling back. And I watch what happened. I said, look, this is what I would do. Do you trust me on this? 14 year old, she drank her urine. We did do CDS as well. We did do nicotine. I had nicotine with me. I put a patch directly on her foot. So yeah. Yes. I didn't isolate it, but I could show you this data on the snake charm. Is having a vial of their urine handy at all times because they know and there's a. The folk medicine of a jellyfish sting and doing it topically, that's kind of, well, unknown.
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Dr. Amy
There's something to it. Yeah. There's a reason. Yeah.
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Jonathan Otto
She came right out of it like nothing happened to. It was crazy. No. Like, no side effects. Like weird. Like she was just so bouncing around back to work. She. Because she worked at this hotel that we're staying at. I was doing famine relief there. Yeah. So. So like, okay, so if you're drinking an alcohol, well, that's toxic. That's de. That's intoxication. So you're toxifying yourself. So then. And there's a reason why you're doing it and it's because of a, like a deprivation that you. You're having that's causing you to reach for things. There's a reason why doctors William hit treated about 20,000 patients for addiction with urine therapy and was like so successful just with urine as a way to cure addiction. That's an example is you're giving your body what it lacks. Every neurotransmitter is in your urine.
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Dr. Amy
Wow.
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Jonathan Otto
Every hormone is in your urine.
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Dr. Amy
True. So you can't get over hormone though if you drink your urine. Right. Like, you're not going to like take your estrogen into a dominant state.
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Jonathan Otto
No, because it's, it's bioavailable. Your body knows. And that's why it's giving you this unique prescription for the starters. What it gave you was a unique prescription anyway, so it said, take this. That's what your body is doing. It's what it does for babies in the womb. It's like, here's your prescription. Like, think about functional medicine. Well, I'm guessing at which tests I should run in the first place. So I took a guess, ran the test. Now I got some data. Now if I prescribe you the right thing you might get a result but what if your body doesn't absorb it so there's three three different points of possible failure. Urine skips all those steps and then gives you the unique prescription and I'm giving you all the the understandings on on that that show good reason for that. Now I'm going to show if you look at the clinical data that came out of the medical journals you'll see all of this and but like people should see some immediate improvement on things that they're battled with their whole life and it's such an easy test your chances even from the most kind of conservative doctors will take tell you like yeah there's not much you can do that's bad that quickly but the possibilities of turning things around is so profound. But is it like urine therapy.com people can look at that site that Dr. Ed Group and I put together this and a lot of free resources the book your own perfect medicine great book great resource and so look at all the conditions here. Let's this was the Wake Forest University study found 100 million stem cells in a 24 hour urine sample after it aged for three weeks pre pretty pretty impressive. You can look that up that was only in 2022 shows you what's happening in the womb Baby's urine is filled with stem cells. So is adult's urine. No wonder the fetus forms so quickly. It's got stem cells that attach to the genetic blueprint of the fetus. Welcome to real science. Yeah yeah. Carl Spiro he was a German researcher like what he did Urea can dissolve foreign proteins. This was the New York State State Journal of Medicine. Urine therapy flushes many parts of the flourishes in many parts of the world today. A great volume of knowledge shows the many advantages of this modality. Let's see Urea is also interacted directly with polar residues and the peptide backbone thereby stabilizing not non native confirmations denatures proteins so poisons are proteins typically not always but and you can interface with these and dissolve them. Let's have a look at UR kinase. This is why it's been used for blood clots and for cancer. This was clinical studies using a urine extract on cancer patients. Most patients in the study showed remarkable improvement after only one week of treatment and continued treatment produced in a reduction of tumor size and normalization of biochemical tests. This was Dr. Bazinski I went to court with him in Houston. That was back in 77 he was he. He was talking about that for a long time. Un surprisingly Kills and easily kills viruses. It weakens the viruses such as polio and rabies, but actually destroys them in strong concentrations. That's Proceedings of the Society of experimental biology in 1936. Notice how these things just were were prevalent in journals then. Natural antibodies to HIV virus appear in urine. This was the New York University of Med Medical center in 1988. Sufficiently concentrated or kill gonorrhea bacteria. As a Kentucky College of Medicine then urine is capable of killing and stopping the growth of bacteria that causes tuberculosis. The American review of tuberculosis 19 1954. Certain fractions of urine have an inhibitory growth on malignant tumors in mice. While smaller doses inhibit growth, bigger ones actually make the tumors regress. Science Magazine 1963. Urine is the main component of the amniotic fluid that bathes the human fetus. This was New York Times medical section. It breathes this urine filled amniotic fluid. Yeah, it doesn't breathe. It's in quotes. Right, so and if the urinary tract is blocked, the fetus doesn't develop the fluid, the lungs don't develop, the baby dies at that point. So it's so critical. So yeah, you've got a pretty good understanding there. I'll just show you one. This, this, this. Auto therapy, auto urine therapy, auto urotherapy. These are all names but I'll show you the last one here. I like this one. On human urine derivative HUD. Yeah, I like this one. J.H. thompson with H11 for cancer. This was, this was in the British Medical journal As a 12 year experiment this was revealed that over 300 independent doctors and researchers found that HL11 was clinically effective inhibiting the growth of malignant tumor cells or malignant cells in humans. The last one I'll show you here is by Dr. No. This was. Yeah. The results were remarkable. In the majority of the 21 cases treated this was cancer including stomach, colon and rectal, breast, lung, uterine lymph node, bladder malignancies. Sorry, this was the last one. I like this one here, here on look. I mean these are all like amazing cancer.
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Dr. Amy
Amazing.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah, yeah.
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Dr. Amy
And, and, and published in well known journals and papers and just like you said like from the New York Times to you know, I mean just everywhere.
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Jonathan Otto
Yep, it's everywhere.
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Dr. Amy
Science magazine, Journal of Internal Medicine, British Medical Journal. I mean it just keeps going.
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Jonathan Otto
Yep. You got.
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Dr. Amy
So it's not like this is in the, you know, New age Woo journal. These are in very well known respected journals and papers and yeah, and we just lost it.
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Jonathan Otto
And that's an example of the fact that something then got so little attention that then most doctors don't even know that exists. They don't know that these references exist, and they are so shut off to it that they don't even have the bandwidth to have the conversation. So they'll never know. And so it's easy to. It was. What's his name? Huckleberry Finn? Mark Twain? It's easy to fool somebody than to convince someone they've been fooled. And this is the perfect example of that. No, no better example than that. So, yeah, these are good studies, and we're seeing these results. I'm seeing people. I've. I'm literally seeing people put cancer in remission on the urine therapy.
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Dr. Amy
Now, is this just a once a day for, let's say, general, like for myself?
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah.
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Dr. Amy
Preventing from the C word from ever coming back. I'm obviously doing the cds. Would I do the urine therapy just once a day, or is this something you do multiple times?
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah, you. You could do it like a. A lot or a little. And this is an example of how your. Your body will continue to give you that unique prescription. If. If you're, like battling a UTI and you want to clear it quickly, you could keep drinking your urine and fast. And you should clear it in 14 hours, 12 hours, 24 hours max. Typically, I'm seeing that quite universally. But then first morning urine is like. That's typically like all I do. And most people do because it's enough. And you end up having. Having to go to the bathroom a lot if you're drinking a lot, because it passes through the body really quickly. So you get a lot of benefit by just doing the. The morning urine. And then you're kind of on your way. And then there's enemas. And that makes it really easy as well. So people don't want to drink it. That you could do the enemas, you get all those antibodies, and so it becomes a really powerful modality that way.
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Dr. Amy
Yes. So you blew my mind once again with the urine therapy as well. And I'm willing to try anything. I mean, that's what biohacking is.
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Jonathan Otto
Is.
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Dr. Amy
And being at this level, in this space, you. I'm. I'm sold. I mean, looking at the studies, that's all I need.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah.
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Dr. Amy
To know. And. And when it's backed by science, that's where I will go. Okay. Like, I'd be more convinced to do urine therapy than I would to do some kind of woo treatment, like rubbing crystals all over my body or something like that, because there's no science in it, but there, there's science backing every single thing that you, you discussed today. So I'm, I'm just blown away.
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Jonathan Otto
That's awesome. Yeah. And I've, I've done things to myself where I've injected urine. I'm not telling everyone to do that, but I, I couldn't get rid of these rashes on my body, so I then, and even topical use, I couldn't get it to clear. It was there for two years. I couldn't sleep with it at that point. And then, so I actually injected my urine in and it immediately took away the itch and the pain. And then from there, within three days it was gone with no scarring. And I just did like little bubbles on the top of the skin.
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Dr. Amy
Okay. Yeah. I was going to ask if you did it locally. Yeah, yeah.
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Jonathan Otto
And with a, like an insulin needle. And it was, it did the trick. So I was really pleased with that because I couldn't get, couldn't get rid of it. Now I've seen like, like anyone that's watching that has any acne or pimples or scars or anything like that, really effective short periods of time. It's, and such a, such a, like wonderful therapy to give back to people. You got like, lots of, you know, and there might be some people here that have teenage children that are dealing with, with really bad acne. It then stops the need for any of the drugs and then you, you're able to just fix that problem once and for all, which is what I continue to see. I, I, you know, I want to see somebody tell me that they did it and it didn't work, so. Because that's how often I'm seeing it work.
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Dr. Amy
And it's free and it's free. So you can't beat that. Can't beat a therapy that works. That's free. Jonathan, you have given so much of your time today and so much of your knowledge. I can, I can't thank you enough for just being here with me and, and just educating my audience and myself on all of these very mindblowing, controversial, unheard of in the mainstream therapies that we can use for not just cancer, but like we discussed today, thyroid, autoimmune, I mean everything, you name it, everything. So I'm just, I'm so grateful. My gratitude just runs so deep right now. You can come on the show anytime you want. We can talk about anything because I love, love picking your brain on this.
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Jonathan Otto
Oh, that's awesome. You're welcome Amy, I'm grateful to you for, for having an interest in this. I'm touched by that and your, your love for, for people. I can tell that that's a sincere and genuine love for people that causes you to want to speak about these things that can give people hope and health and healing when, when we're under fire and people suffer so much. Thanks for like going out on a limb with me because this is a limb, but it's one that I was willing to take and I'm just really grateful for anyone that joins me on that, that limb.
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Dr. Amy
Well, thank you. And put everything in the show notes, the link to your red light therapy company where people can find you. Why don't you tell people where they can find.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah, absolutely. We shed a lot on the, the healing benefits of the, the various tools there like Instagram in terms of where to find me. Like Jonathan Otto, you can get all our like bite sized chunks. Like everyone, everyone has like a 3 second attention span so that I can keep you motivated there and keep inspiring you with their small clips that our team puts together from interviews like this to keep you motivated. So that's great. So find me on Instagram. Jonathan Auto. It'll be, be the first name it comes up and then, and then the light therapy at my red light.com and we've got like some great discounts there. Can we give the code to your audience? Is that all right, Amy?
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Dr. Amy
Yeah, let's do Dr. Amy and let's do that code.
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Jonathan Otto
Yeah, awesome. So Dr. Amy, which is just D R A M I E. And so then you could use that to activate the discounts that you can see on the page there, which is really great. And we've made those super affordable. And you've got like options as well. You could do payment plans like 6, 12, 24 months. It ends up being cheaper than a sing session at a clinic. But then you own the device and you can use it every day. It ends up being cheaper than any supplement you could possibly buy because you can use it for your whole family and, and for the rest of your life. And so hence why we chose the highest quality devices. So cast iron and 50,000 rated lifespan hours. It's technically over 200 years if it's one person. But you know, more conservatively you could just expect to use it for a lifetime and then, and that's a way you can get healing. You saw the red light studies. I've not seen anything that can replicate that. And we've got the highest density. So you know, the the two things to look for is high radiance, the amount of power coming out of devices and then the wavelengths. And so we mastered both of those fields by putting the, the highest irradiance and then the highest, the nine most proven wavelengths and dual LEDs and no EMF exposure zero. Right. So it's really cool. And so yeah, so you can check that out. We there's also pmf. You can read about it there or you can look at my pemfmat.com which is P E M F matt M A T dot com so you can read about that. Use the code there at checkout as well and you can activate that 25 and 30 off discount with the code Dr. Amy at checkout. And so we just want to support you with that. We will I'm sure in future go into detail on pmf, but you can learn about it on the page and, but it goes together perfectly with red light and creating creates like a med bed to put the electrons of the earth at the highest capacity while you're getting the sunlight at the highest capacity. So think about how you're replicating nature and then we're seeing tremendous healing instead of people having to spend ridiculous amounts of money getting it for like nothing. And so we made those really affordable and with the, the right specs which is like a 1-30 Hz for the, to mimic the Schumann Schumann resonance from the Earth and the 150 milli Tesla which is the, the right voltage voltage you need like it's, it's a, it's so much stronger than most devices but then very safe. So yes, you can read more about that. And again, it's an honor to be here and you can go to those sites, they'll be in the description and yeah, we're looking forward to helping and serving you in the best ways. And we want health and healing to be accessible. Remember like CDS which we talked about, it's practically free. You can find that on Amazon, find the books and kvlab.com they sell it like a good one. Or you could find theirs on Amazon or any of the ones that have 25% concentration. Concentration 22, 25, 28. You can, you know, grab those, use them and share the results. It's an amazing combination. And then like I mentioned, with the light therapy and with the pmf, they end up becoming the cheapest things you can do because you use the same device for the rest of your life and it ends up becoming, it's much cheaper than any supplement which ends up becoming tens of thousands of dollars, any one single supplement because you're using them for for years and that's good and you can use them but often people aren't getting the benefits they need out of them because they then not using other therapies that help activate them in the body like light therapy, like pmf. So anyway, there you go.
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Dr. Amy
Beautiful, wonderful, wonderful. Thank you so much. We will put all of that in the show notes and yeah, gotta have you back on now Jonathan because we did not even go down the rabbit hole of pmf. So we will do another show on that and many other things that are in your brain that you have knowledge on.
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Jonathan Otto
Thank you Amy. Appreciate you Dr. Amy. I will be in touch and thank.
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Dr. Amy
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