85. MAGA Hypocrisy: Outrage Over Bad Bunny but Silence on Epstein Files

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The Tim & April Show | Podcast Summary

Episode 85: "MAGA Hypocrisy: Outrage Over Bad Bunny but Silence on Epstein Files"
Date: February 6, 2026
Hosts: Tim Whitaker & April Ajoy
Produced by: The New Evangelicals

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Tim and April unravel the hypocrisy in MAGA and white evangelical circles, focusing on the exploding outrage over “immoral” pop culture moments—like Bad Bunny headlining the Super Bowl halftime show—while remaining eerily silent in the wake of explosive revelations about sexual abuse, trafficking, and cover-ups in the just-released Jeffrey Epstein DOJ files. They expose the deep contradictions in how American Christian conservative culture responds to power, justice, and scandal, and draw direct connections between faith, politics, and justice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Repentance & Corrections (01:21–03:09)

• Tim apologizes for previously mischaracterizing Mike Winger’s theology, emphasizing the importance of public accountability as faith leaders.
  • “I want to confess my sin. Mike, I know you’re not watching this because you don’t like me, but if you ever were, I am sorry for mischaracterizing your theology. I repent for my sin of non research.” (02:46, Tim)
• Brief update on The New Evangelicals’ Black Liberation Theology focus for Black History Month.

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2. Epstein Files: What’s In Them & What MAGA Is Ignoring (04:38–15:12)

• DOJ releases over 3 million heavily redacted pages, exposing deep, disturbing ties between Epstein and global elites—especially Donald Trump.
• The files include over 5,000 direct references to Trump and related terms, totaling 38,000 mentions (07:06–07:36).
  • “That’s a lot of times for Trump.” (07:33, Tim)
• Redactions protect the powerful more than the victims. Even unredacted photos of minors were initially released, raising questions about DOJ competency and motives (12:13–12:49).
• Contrast in accountability: Other countries (e.g., the UK) have acted on names in the files (Prince Andrew), but US leadership—left or right—has largely avoided consequences.
  • “At the end of the day, Trump at best knew about what was happening and did nothing. That’s the best case scenario.” (10:13, April)
• MAGA’s refusal to believe evidence against Trump, despite his long record of similar abuse allegations, is called out as dangerous denialism.

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3. MAGA & Christian Right Hypocrisy on Sexual Abuse (15:13–22:37)

• MAGA and white evangelical circles have “selective outrage”: Outraged about pop culture or immigration, but silent or defensive about abuse by their own.
  • “They are allowed about Bad Bunny, Bad Bunny or defending ICE. These are the same people...saying ICE is doing great work...Yeah, we are not in the same reality, guys.” (21:55, Tim)
• Tim and April highlight the parallel with evangelical churches: notorious for protecting abusive leaders and prioritizing forgiveness for powerful men while targeting the marginalized.
• The concept of “disreality” (citing Jared Stacy): Many Christians live in a world untethered to facts, convinced by God they are right no matter the evidence.

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4. Direct Responses from Trump & MAGA Figures (16:18–26:32)

• Trump’s Reaction: When asked about survivors, Trump attacks the reporter personally, dodges accountability, and tells America to “move on” since “nothing came out about me.” (16:42–19:21)
  • “You are the worst reporter...I’ve never seen a smile on your face. You know why? Because you’re not telling the truth.” (16:48, Trump)
  • “Even if that were true, what the f do you mean it’s time to move on because nothing came out about you?” (18:38, April)
• JD Vance & Megyn Kelly on Fox: Vance defends Trump telling CNN’s Kaitlan Collins to smile more, and Kelly approvingly quotes Roger Ailes (her own harasser) as a role model—ironically praising misogyny while referencing their own victimization (23:32–26:26).
  • “Roger Ailes, who is a known misogynist and predator, used to say the same thing.” (25:23, April)

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5. Legal & Political Deflections (26:33–42:44)

• Kash Patel (former FBI director, noted “Release the files!” advocate) celebrates “transparency” but dodges responsibility for redactions and delays—contradicts himself about legal roadblocks (27:21–28:57).
• DOJ’s Todd Blanche insists, “It isn’t a crime to party with Mr. Epstein,” and claims there's no actionable evidence, despite unredacted photos and clear survivor testimonies (41:09–42:19).
  • “This is the kind of stuff...that makes me hope that there is a hell after all. Really.” (42:20, Tim)

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6. How Evangelicals Excuse “Their” Abusers (44:54–52:49)

• Case study: Pastor Landon Schott & Robert Morris
  • Schott posts a loving prison visit with Morris (convicted of abusing a 12-year-old), lavishly spiritualizing forgiveness for abusers while ignoring suffering of victims.
  • “I do not believe we can preach mercy at the altars...if that same mercy is not available for the ones who stood behind them.” (49:11, Schott, read by April)
  • Tim and April call out the hypocrisy: zero such mercy for immigrants, women, or queer people, only corrupt, powerful men.

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7. Elon Musk, Other Elites, and Uncomfortable Receipts (32:30–37:40)

• Coffeezilla’s deep-dive: Elon Musk repeatedly asked Epstein to party at his island, contradicting years of firm public denials (33:08–36:16).
  • “The world’s richest man is asking the world’s most [notorious] man for the wildest party on his island.” (35:22, Coffeezilla)
• Other notable findings: Epstein recommending evangelical “family values” influencer James Dobson to some correspondents.

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8. "Weird Christian" Segment – Culture Wars & Selective Morality (55:43–67:05)

• Classic “Satanic Panic” footage (TBN, 1980s) dissecting Led Zeppelin backwards for “secret devil messages.”
• Compare and contrast: Turning Point USA’s “alternative” halftime show to counter Bad Bunny’s mainstream set, featuring Kid Rock (notorious for lyrics about underage girls, extreme misogyny).
  • “From, if you play Led Zeppelin backwards, you hear 'we love Satan,' to...this guy on our networks to celebrate faith, family, and freedom.” (63:27, Tim)
• Outrage at Bad Bunny is coded racism/xenophobia, given his status as the first Spanish-language Grammy Album of the Year winner and as a Puerto Rican American.
• TBN, once crusaders against “immorality in music,” will air Kid Rock’s concert—glaringly hypocritical.
  • “TBN does care about secular music...now TBN [airs Kid Rock].” (65:48, April)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Trump in the Files:
  “At the end of the day, Trump at best knew about what was happening and did nothing. That’s the best case scenario.” (10:14, April)

• On Evangelical Selective Outrage:
  “They are loud about Bad Bunny… but when it comes to child abuse… crickets. Just crickets.” (20:51, April)

• On Megyn Kelly’s Hypocrisy:
  “She’s literally like, 'Roger Ailes… used to say the same thing.'” (25:23, April)

• On DOJ’s Lethargy:
  “This is the kind of stuff… that makes me hope there is a hell after all.” (42:20, Tim)

• On Spiritualizing Abuse:
  “Mercy at the altar, but not for the person who's an immigrant or gay or needs healthcare. But for the man who assaulted a 12-year-old? God's mercy is good, brother.” (51:49, Tim)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 01:21 – Tim’s public repentance and correction on Mike Winger
• 04:38–15:12 – Epstein files overview & Trump’s hyper-involvement
• 16:42 – Trump berates reporter instead of addressing survivor concerns
• 23:32–26:26 – JD Vance and Megyn Kelly justify Trump’s sexism
• 27:21–28:57 – Kash Patel dodges questions on redactions and legal delays
• 32:30–37:40 – Coffeezilla exposes Elon Musk’s secret Epstein emails
• 41:09–42:19 – DOJ’s dismissive public position (“not a crime to party with Epstein”)
• 44:54–52:49 – Landon Schott’s public support of Robert Morris, evangelical patterns of forgiving powerful abusers
• 55:43–57:35 – TBN’s classic “Satanic Panic” footage
• 61:29–67:05 – Turning Point, Kid Rock's halftime, and TBN’s performative morality

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Hypocrisy at the Crossroads of Faith & Politics: Elite evangelical cultural warriors and MAGA leaders rage at the “immorality” of pop stars like Bad Bunny while excusing, minimizing, or ignoring actual crimes and moral catastrophe within their own circles.
• Selective Outrage is a Feature, Not a Bug: Both church and state leaders create systems that excuse and spiritually spin the horrific when it’s “their guy”—and then stoke moral panic about outsiders.
• Redemption for the Powerful, Condemnation for the Marginalized: Evangelical institutions and MAGA media are eager to offer “mercy” and spiritual language for their own abusers, but rarely (if ever) for victims or marginalized groups.
• Truth Is Not Enough: Even mountains of evidence—emails, photos, survivor testimony—aren’t enough to break through the denial and alternate reality of entrenched Christian nationalism.

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In sum:
Tim and April’s episode is a scathing, often darkly humorous takedown of American Christian conservatism’s moral double standards—from the church pulpit to the Super Bowl. It’s a must-listen for anyone tracking the intersections of faith, politics, justice, and power in 21st-century America.

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Supporting Quotes, Context, and Segments are timestamped throughout for ease of reference.

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Transcript

[A]

You're listening to a new evangelicals production, The Tim and April show, where we unravel faith, politics and culture.

[B]

Hello, everyone. Hello. Welcome in to the Tim April Show. I am Tim Whitaker.

[A]

I am April Ajoy.

[B]

We have quite the show for you, as you can imagine. Yeah, we're talking about all the things Epstein files, Turning Point USA halftime show, the work. So welcome in. Welcome in. If you're watching live on YouTube, please make sure to like this stream. Hit the subscribe button. If you're watching on substack. Hello, everyone. Smash the heart button thing. So, yeah, that makes us feel good. Yeah, smash it. Well, don't break your phone. But, um, anyway, good to see you, April. How are you doing? Are you still snowed in?

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Okay. Congrats. That's gotta be a new record for you.

[A]

Yeah, it's been since Saturday before last Saturday, so we're almost at two weeks now.

[B]

Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. Well, I don't know what to say. Two weeks is quite. It's quite the. The length of time, so.

[A]

It certainly is. Tim. Thank you.

[B]

Yeah, you're welcome. You're welcome. I do want to start off. I had not done this in a long time. I do have to repent for something, April.

[A]

Oh, I remember when I used to do this.

[B]

This. This is the old days. Do I still have. Do I still have the pad? Do I even have it on here?

[A]

I don't.

[B]

I don't think I do. No, I don't. Yeah, we used to have a little worship pad play. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[A]

You have it. There it is. Oh, how I've missed this.

[B]

I'm gonna lower that a little bit. Yeah, so look for those might not have grown up in church like us. This is a very common occurrence where you repent to Jesus and to your neighbor for sins that you committed. And the pad really sets the mood. So I would like to repent today because I made a mistake. On our last prerecorded video, we had promise. Join us. We talked about the abuse of Sean Boltz and Bethel covering it up. And Mike Winger, who was the man who covered the story. I told him. I told people that he does not like charismatics and that he's probably more reformed and that's part of why he's making this video. However, not only have I been informed of the contrary, I did do some research, and Mike is a hesitant and cautious person who believes that the gifts of the spirit can still happen today. And I know this might feel minute to some people, but it is important that whenever we get things wrong, that we talk about it publicly. So I want to confess my sin. Mike, I know you're not watching this because you don't like me, but if you ever were, I am sorry for mischaracterizing your theology. I repent for my sin of non research.

[A]

Very good. Very good.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you. Okay.

[A]

Thank you for that.

[B]

Moving on.

[A]

Moving on. We do have a super chat that we could read, and we will read all super chats live as we find moments. Do you want to go ahead and read the one that came in?

[B]

Yeah, let me find it really quick. Let's see. Oh, we got two. Okay, here's one. Yep. Go ahead, April. It's all you.

[A]

All right. From Stevie Clown. I'm excited for Green Day doing the pregame. It's a total fu to Twamper Dinker.

[B]

Dink. I like that name. That's a good one.

[A]

And it's. I can't read that. My screen just got blurry. So I'm going to need you.

[B]

I can't wait for super bowl halftime show with the very talented American Bad Bunny. Happy Thursday, Tim and April, from Justine Bailey. Thank you so much. Yes, friends, all super chats go right to supporting this show and making it possible. The Tim and April show is produced by the New Evangelicals, a nonprofit organization that I started now run by the wonderful Melinda Hale, helping folks find a better path forward in faith. We are actually currently going through a series because it's Black History Month on black liberation theology, so you can check it out for free thenewevangelicals.com connect and you can also check out the TNE podcast, New Evangelicals Podcast, which I'm. I currently host. And here's some amazing interviews with. With black liberation theologians, which I would say, in my opinion, is the antidote to white Christian nationalism. So there's that.

[A]

I love that. Yes. And happy Black History Month. This is our first live in the month. We don't want to forget that in the chaos of everything else.

[B]

Yes, 100% that is happening. Okay.

[A]

Okay. So we are going to talk about the Bad Bunny and the halftime show. That'll be our last segment that we talk about. So we do want to discuss the latest batch of Epstein files that the DOJ released. I believe it was, like, over 3 million files.

[B]

So they say.

[A]

So they say. Obviously we've not gone through all of them. I don't know that anyone has had the opportunity to go through all 3 million.

[B]

Maybe AI has. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah. Do you want to give an overview? Do we have that?

[B]

I mean, look, here's the basic overview. Obviously, there's a ton of stuff in the file. Some of it is just tips that the FBI collected. Some of it is actual emails. It's heavily redacted. But one thing we do know, a lot of rich people lied. A lot. A lot of people lied about their involvement and their relationship to. And by the way, I gotta be. I wanna be clear. We're gonna be sensitive with our language for two reasons. One, we know a lot of folks out there themselves are survivors. And also YouTube is on the warpath with people that are talking about Epstein. So we're gonna use what might come across as softer language to describe very horrific things, because we have to. But frankly, we are looking at the world's most prolific child abuse network. That's the best way I can put it. That has been covered up for a very long time and that involves some of the most powerful people in the world. And we are now at a place in American history where the doj, after kicking and screaming and delaying, finally released the files. Heavily redacted, many of them. And it turns out that their, their abuser in chief, Donald Trump, is all over the file. Shocker alert. The man who said he was not involved in any way, shape or form was actually not only best friends with Epstein, but also is all over the files. So that's where we're at right now. And I think the MAGA response is telling. I'm sure there are. I'm sure we're going to find some examples of outrage, but broadly speaking, this is not going to change a thing, in my opinion.

[A]

Well, I have seen some people that are changing their mind online that were Trump supporters, but you know, who knows if that's actually going to change much in the long run. But I will say, just for. I just found this number interesting that according to the New York Times, that sifted through the files that they could find, and this doesn't include what's redacted because these are very heavily redacted files also. But the New York Times found that over 5,000 files had references to Trump and related terms like mar a lago or melania, which brought the total number of references to 38,000 times.

[B]

That's a lot of times for Trump.

[A]

And related terms, which is interesting because I've seen a lot of pushback from MAGA world and even online and even Trump saying, no, nothing came out about me. I don't, I don't think that's nothing. And it's not just emails talking about Trump. Some is that there are some salacious tips that couldn't be verified. But there are some, there are quite a few actual terrible accusations of terrible things.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That Trump is accused of.

[B]

Also. Can we just say, look, one of the excuses we're hearing right is well, like you said, these tips are salacious, they're not verified. So go verify them. Yeah, if you have at least that are our, I mean, some of the tips that again, that are unverified are really horrific. I mean, they are like, they are grotesque. The fact that like that's the excuse people are giving, like, well, they're not verified. Why? Okay, then go verify. Then go find out. We have a federal government, we have the world's largest superpower that can do what we can literally topple regimes at will. We can invade Venezuela and, and kidnap their president and take him back to America in like 15 minutes. And you're telling me we can't investigate these claims to see if they're true? You're telling me where our hands are tied. Even though we have survivors who have come forward saying that as children they were sa'd by Epstein and his co conspirators. Come on. It is, it is the weakest excuse on the face of the planet from a right wing MAGA movement that at one point insisted there was some deep state trafficking ring fueled by Democrats where they were drinking the blood of children. You know, I got to be honest to QAnon, a lot of you got a lot of stuff right. You weren't exactly wrong about the deep state network that was trafficking kids. The problem is that your dude is all over it. Your dude's all over it. And all of a sudden, well, we can't, we can't corroborate the claim. So what are we going to do? What are we going to do?

[A]

Well, and it's interesting because other countries where names that come from other countries that have been found in these files are actually facing consequences. Like Prince Andrew was stripped of his titles last year because of his, his references in the Epstein files. Like, there are other countries that are actually taking this seriously. And at the end of the day, Trump at best knew about what was happening and did nothing. Like that's the best case scenario.

[B]

The best case scenario.

[A]

The best case scenario. But obviously worst case, there's a lot of accusations in here and my thing is that you're dealing with a man who has 34 felonies and has been found liable by a judge and A jury of. And a jury found liable for. I don't know if I should say of grape.

[B]

Grapes. A lot of grapes. Yes.

[A]

And the, the idea that, oh, like, I don't know if someone's convicted of that, and then there's all these accusations of other things like that happening. I'm at least gonna be like, well, I think that's possible. Which is wild to me that there's still so many MAGA people that just refuse to think Trump had anything to do with it. Like what? This.

[B]

You know, how, How. How often people like us get accused of tds. Trump Derangement Syndrome.

[A]

Yeah, that's not us.

[B]

No, exactly. It's not us. We're not the ones looking at the world around us, looking at the man that Trump is and saying, yeah, he's actually saving America. We're not the ones who are saying the. That, oh, well, you know what? Tim Waltz and the Democrats are the ones stoking violence in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Like, the people who. I was going to make the same point, April. The fact that we have a sitting president who's a convicted felon, who's been found liable, and also who has bragged about assaulting women and has over 20 plus accusations from women in the past, including contestants in beauty pageants, all saying very similar stories. Where there's smoke, there is fire. And somehow we're supposed to outweigh the evidence we have of who Trump already is against. The files that we have where Trump has mentioned, we're supposed to say, well, guys, give him the benefit of the doubt. It's probably nothing. People are just lying about him. Yeah, it is. It is wild that we are here.

[A]

I want to clarify, too. Oliver, in the chat brought up good point that they released 3 million documents, not files, 3 million pages. So, yeah, and that's not everything that they have. And I want to point out, too, I don't know what DOJ spent all that time because they claimed that they had to take extra time to make sure that all the victims were redacted and protected. When in this latest batch, initially, they shared unredacted naked photos of minors in these files.

[B]

Yes. Yes. New York Times came out with an article saying that. Yes. Yeah.

[A]

Like, what are they doing? What, you cannot trust this current DOJ either. And the DOJ is coming out and saying they look through all the files and they can't find any credible evidence against Trump, but Trump owns the doj.

[B]

Yeah. I think this is a really important point to bring up, and we're going to go into Details in a few minutes about, like, why maybe Biden and his administration didn't release the files, because that's been a talking point. But historically, the general rule of thumb is that you, the presidency and the doj, and the FBI kind of all operate independent of each other to avoid at least the. The appearance of politicization or, you know, the president weaponizing the Department of Justice to go after his political opponents. But Trump has blown that to smithereens and is actively engaging in DOJ cases and is also sending the DOJ to do his bidding, including, by the way, going to Georgia to capture ballots. Voting ballots. I don't think people understand, like, how serious that is. Federal. The election process is run by the state, not by the federal government. For Trump to send his FBI into Georgia to grab voter rolls and ballots is egregious. Right. But when you're living in a world where every day is a new escalation. Mm. Right. You just get numb to the escalations, and that is by design. We are the frog in boiling water. The water is boiling, and the MAGA pundits are saying, nah, it's not really boiling. It's actually ice cold. It's actually never been better, guys. It's never been better in this pot as we're literally getting cooked alive. That's what's happening right now.

[A]

Yeah. So there's plenty of information online. There are. There are lawyers that are doing deep dives on what's in these files. I mean, horrific, horrific thing that involved young women and girls and children. I mean, it's. It's truly horrific. Like, words cannot describe the like. And here's the thing. I want Trump to be held accountable for his involvement. I want every person that was involved in this held accountable, regardless of party. If it's the Clinton, if Bill Clinton put him in jail, too, I don't care. But we're not going to go into the details of everything because we could be here for literally days. 3 million pages. Like, there's. There's no way we're going to get it all, but we want to.

[B]

April, really quick, can I ask you a question? Can you stonewall for 30 seconds in monologue while I tell Sarah to call the school?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Thank you. I'm sorry that we're live, but, like, I got to make sure that he's okay. So I'll be back in 30 seconds.

[A]

Yeah, no, no problem. Yeah. So what we're going to do when Tim gets back is kind of just focus on the. The fallout a little bit. We'll share a of like Elon Musk, his role in it after he vehemently denied any involvement. And we're going to talk about the Christian response to this. And it's really interesting to me because I feel like if Barack Obama had been accused of just like a fraction of what Trump's been accused of in these files, Republicans would have called for his impeachment immediately. And the fact that they're just like, oh, no, Trump support still holy and godly is ridiculous. Okay, thank you. Tim, you're back.

[B]

Amen. Amen. April, I totally agree. I think it is it. Sarah's on top of it, so we're all good. So thank you for holding down the fort.

[A]

You're welcome.

[B]

Okay, do you want to get to one of our videos?

[A]

Yes, let's, let's dive right in. So this, what do you want to start with?

[B]

Gosh, well, let's just start with Trump. I mean, let's start with Trump himself, right? Because he's obviously asked about the obvious. He's asked about, hey, you know, what's your thoughts? Let's just hear. God, this. He's okay. I don't want to humiliate the video. Here we go. Yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Let me queue it up, make sure it's all good here.

[C]

Something that people care about. You know, what do you say?

[A]

What would you say to the survivors?

[C]

You are the worst reporter. No one to see. CNN has no ratings because of people like you. You know, she's a young woman. I don't think I've ever seen you smile. I've known you for 10 years. I don't think I've ever seen a smile on your face. You know why? You know why you're not smiling? Because you know you're not telling the truth. And you're, you're a very dishonest organization and they should be ashamed of you.

[B]

Wait, before we get to the next question, it's worth hearing. He just disparaged the reporter for asking a very valid question, which is very typical Trump. Right? Very typical Trump.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So another reporter is going to ask him about health care. And just listen to this.

[A]

Can I also just say as a pause that if you Google Kaitlan Collins, because that's who he's talking to, the very first picture that comes up is of her smiling.

[B]

Right. Also, why would you smile while asking someone about survivors of abuse?

[A]

Like, anyway, that's so, so stupid.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And the bill that was just passed does not include your health care savings account. So this is a question for you and maybe for Mr. Speaker as well.

[C]

Proud of the health care savings accounts because it's going to happen.

[B]

He's. I don't know.

[A]

Trust me, bro, take him seriously.

[B]

I do. Every day we do the same thing. I don't get it. I don't get it. This guy is just, he just talks out of his, you know what, all day. And, and right wing pundits are like, this is the dude. He's doing the work.

[A]

You.

[B]

Oh my gosh. Anyway, yeah, so that's Trump's response to a very valid question about survivors who, by the way, came forward and said, hey, the way that you guys are releasing these files is not helpful. You're not doing a good job. And he essentially goes, eh, you don't smile enough, reporter. You're a waste of time. CNN's trash. You know the typical deflection.

[A]

He also said in, in another video. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.

[B]

No, please interrupt me. I'm. I'm talking too much.

[A]

No, he said in another video, I don't think you pulled it, but it's really quick, so I'm just gonna share real quick. No, I don't want to pull up Trump. I want to pull up my video because I shared it. He said, he said it's time for the country to get onto something else. Saying basically we need to move on from Epstein because nothing came out about me. Which. Okay, even, even if that were true, what the f do you mean it's time to move on because nothing came out about you. Like, how narcissistic. At a very base level, because there are still a lot of powerful people in these files that need to be held accountable for the crimes that they committed against children.

[B]

Yeah. Yes, Bill Gates. The files about Bill Gates are terrible. I mean, there's a lot. Again, I don't. I understand. It's just despicable to watch this movement uncover all of these things and then say, eh, no big deal. It's a nothing burger, right? There's, there's nothing to see here, guys. There are 3 million plus files about this man who touched every corner of like the oligarchy. And the response is just to overlook it and to think about what, like the Bad Bunny halftime show, which again, we're going to get to. It's just, it's just like, not to.

[A]

Mention, I mean, all the photos we have of Trump and Epstein, we've got videos of him and Epstein like, like eyeing and laughing about a girl they're looking at. We've got the Access Hollywood tape where Trump brags about being a predator of women. We've got the Epstein birthday card that Trump allegedly drew. But the Wall Street Journal, who is not even a liberal organization, confirmed. I mean they, I don't know if they just think we're stupid or if they just are convinced that they're, they're actual followers that have actual tds. We'll just let them get away with anything. But it is, it is so frustrating the way that MAGA Christians are losing their minds because mommy bloggers are condemning ICE for inhumane treatment and they're mad about a Spanish speaking halftime show literally losing their minds over it. But when it comes to child abuse on a large scale trafficked network that are sitting president at a very minimum knew about and is covering up for his friends. Crickets. Just crickets from them.

[B]

This is why I say often that there is no negotiating with, with this sect of America. You are never going to be able to find common ground because as Jared Stacy, author of It's a book about conspiracy theories. It's really good. He calls it this reality. They live in a dis reality. They live in a state where, where they're not, they're not on planet Earth and they are convinced by God that they're on the right side of things. You can't reason, you can't negotiate your way out of that. You have to create laws and rules that bar people like that. Which by the way, is not a huge portion of the population. Statistically it's a pretty small amount, maybe about 15%. But you have to create rules and just move on and get things done without trying to coddle them or give them anything. Because we're dealing with a group of people that really are quiet on something like this and are allowed about Bad Bunny, Bad Bunny or they're defending ice. These are the same people who came out like Ali Sucky saying ICE is doing great work in the face of Alex Preddy being murdered on camera. Yeah, we are not in the same reality, guys. That's just the truth. It just is what it is. We have to act accordingly.

[D]

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[A]

Do you want to play JD Vance's response about what Trump said about.

[B]

Of course I do.

[A]

How Caitlyn should smile more.

[B]

Yeah, I would love to do that. So Trump is talking to, I guess, you know, his new favorite person, Megan Kelly. Just had quite.

[A]

No, you mean Vance. Vance is talking to Megan Kelly.

[B]

What I say? What did I say?

[A]

Trump.

[B]

Sorry. No, J.D. vance. Anyway, okay. And here's what he said.

[E]

I mean, there was a moment in the Oval Office. I wasn't even in there, but, you know, I was in the West Wing, and somebody sent me where he was talking to Kaitlan Collins, who's the CNN anchor. And I have, like, a decent relationship with Kaitlan Collins, which is unusual given that she's from cnn. But the president, she's asking a question. The president says, why don't you ever smile?

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

And it's actually, like, so perceptive, even if you're asking a tough question, even if you take your job very seriously, like, why does it always have to be so antagonistic?

[A]

Well, I laugh because I saw online everybody was calling him sexist for saying that. And I literally said the same thing about Kaitlan Collins a year ago on my show. She never smiles. Every once in a while, you have to smile. Roger Ailes used to tell us that every once in a while you get, remember, smiles show the viewers they have.

[E]

A heart, some fun.

[A]

Okay, I have to point out something here.

[B]

Please do. This is a great catch, April.

[A]

Megyn Kelly just said Roger Ailes used to say that all the time, that we should smile. Just I smile every once in a while. Roger Ailes, just as a little refresher, resigned as the CEO of Fox News in 2016 following a lawsuit and internal investigations of, like, widespread sexual harassment.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And Megyn Kelly was one of the, one of the main people that helped take him down for sexual harassment. And it is wild to me that they're not. She's literally like, oh, Trump's saying that. They're saying that it was misogynistic. But Roger Ailes, who is a known misogynist and predator, used to say the same thing.

[B]

This is.

[A]

They can't. Do they hear themselves.

[B]

This is a people article from 2017. Megyn Kelly is opening up about the firestorm of SA misconduct and harassment and assault. Allegations simmering throughout the entertainment industry and her own firsthand experience. This was, this was what, nine years ago? How, how far she's come from saying I'm a victim of essay, which I totally believe her to. Oh, yeah. The guy who I, who I accuse of essaying me used to tell me to smile more. So maybe Caitlin should smile more. Ha. Like, this is actually April. I think this is actually a great example of your brain on maga. That's what it does to you. It literally makes you get into a headspace where you betray some of the most core human decency principles. Even when you're affected by them. Even when you're affected by them.

[A]

Wild. Wild. They do not hear themselves.

[B]

If they do, they just don't care.

[A]

Yeah. All right, we got other videos to do. Where do you want to go next? Wanna see?

[B]

I'm going through our show. Our show. Running a show here, trying to be organized.

[A]

Okay. You want to do Cash Patel?

[B]

Yeah, why not?

[F]

Why not?

[B]

Let's just. Yeah. I mean, now, don't forget Cash Patel. Before he became director of the FBI, which is crazy, one of his big things on his, on his public formats and his public platforms was release the files. When I get into office, we're going to release the files and we want transparency. Every one of the files must come to face judgment. That was his big, his big talking point. Let's hear him. Now that the files are out technically, or the documents are out, but heavily redacted. The Epstein files, the last tranche, we're told, put out. Looking back since the beginning, and you've been a part of talking about this.

[C]

And DOJ has obviously produced these elements.

[B]

Do you have regrets about how it's been handled?

[G]

Look, like any other hot topic issue, the American public and the world had a great interest in this. And what we did under President Trump's leadership is produce the most transparent DOJ in FBI in history. Three other administrations had the opportunity to do this and we produced everything we legally and lawfully could we work with our partners in Congress, we follow the statutes and the court orders and we produced what, 3 million some pages. So I think we got to the result in the right way. Could we have gotten there faster? I'm not really sure. Because of numerous court cases, multiple protective orders, multiple court ceilings, and so now we've produced everything we can while protecting victims rights involved.

[A]

Notice, in that same giant run on sentence, he says both that, well, why didn't other three administrations release these files? And then he immediately says, we released them as fast as we could, but we were hindered by all these roadblocks that would allege, like, say, why the other people hadn't released them. But I also want to point out back in. Let's see, when was this? Back in September, Cash Patel, under oath, said that there was no credible information that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked victims to anybody else. Besides basically saying he only trafficked girls to himself, nobody else. And it is very clear, but based on the, the evidence that the files that they released themselves, that that's not true. Also, Ghislaine Maxwell's currently in prison for trafficking.

[B]

Like, and she got, she got moved to, like a very low security prison where she apparently has a dog. The guards say that she is a terrible person to, to have to serve.

[A]

I think they're just letting her puppy visits. I don't know if she has an actual job, but she's definitely getting special treatment.

[B]

Yes. Because. Yes. Ex. Isn't it frustrating, April, how it's right in front of the whole world. It's literally, they are laughing in our faces about this. They are open about it. They are doing the things that make them look incredibly guilty. And yet we still cannot get any sense of real justice for the victims. We cannot get the truth. And that's intentional, right? If they keep muddying the waters. Well, it's alleged the. Oh, well, we were never going to know. As long as you keep doing that. Right. You're able to say, I care about this while have plausible deniability to do anything about it. And that is so aggravating.

[A]

I saw. I can't remember who I saw say this, so I did not come up with this, but it was a really valid point that you're dealing with a giant trafficking ring with, with a lot of powerful men and the only person so far that's in prison for it is Ghislaine Maxwell is a woman. Now, to be fair, Jeffrey Epstein was in prison when he died.

[B]

Look, obviously what she did was horrific and she should be in prison. Right, we all get that.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

But you're right, but there are others. There are others that were the recipients of these things, that were asking for these things. And for some reason their names are redacted. Their names are redacted.

[A]

Yeah. The victim's names were not redacted. The victim's images were not initially redacted. But they made sure all the powerful men sending these emails about all of their victims that they were redacted.

[B]

I just want to point out I did look this up. According To Nor News Northeastern Edu accounts of convicted SA offender. How do you say her name again? I always blank on it.

[A]

Ghis.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I believe it's.

[B]

Yeah, it's Gwell Maxwell's time in federal prison have led to the perception that she is serving her sentence in unusually comfortable conditions. One outlet described a Texas prison as, quote, a country club. Another reported that she is receiving special privileges. So it's very evident that, you know, again, and Trump does this right, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours until it doesn't serve me anymore. That is clearly what is happening. Clearly. And some, again, all of a sudden, people who are worried about, you know, the trans agenda coming for kids. The people who, April, we covered this, or we're going to cover this on Tuesday. The people who are launching. Launching a campaign to overturn Obergef because it harms the children. Right. Suddenly they had nothing to say. They had nothing to say about actual children being harmed by one of the world's most prolific, you know, traffickers.

[A]

Where is QAnon? Where. Where the F is QAnon?

[B]

It's like when we asked, where's the NRA? Where was the NRA for Alex? Where's QAnon?

[A]

Now, I honestly think I owe Qanon an apology. Like, they were actually right that there was this underground Gian child trafficking ring, but they thought Trump was the savior when he's just involved.

[B]

Like, what, he was going to drain the swamp when in reality he was part of the swamp. He brought the swamp to Washington.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Okay, we have more clips. Do you want to do the video about Elon Musk speaking? Yeah.

[B]

I think this is worth it. So, yeah, I'm a huge fan. For those of you who know this name, you're going to understand why I said this. I'm a huge fan of the YouTube account Coffeezilla. He's one of my favorite content creators out there. He. He covers, like, crypto scams, all kinds of scams. That's like, his thing. He's been all over the Epstein files since the beginning. His work is immaculate. It's always well sourced. I want to play this little clip from his last video talking about the blackmail situation and, well, really, more importantly, about who one of the billionaires who is all over the files despite saying he had nothing to do with Epstein. I'll play this clip and then we'll respond.

[F]

Well, we've been lied to also by another richest guy on the planet. Jeez, it's a shock. Why? They don't want to put this out, Elon Musk, who has been saying four years that it is a lie that he went to Epstein's island. In fact, he says he refused to go from Elon. He says, Epstein tried to get me to go to his island. I refused. He says anyone pushing this false narrative deserves complete contempt. Later responding to another headline which that Elon Musk planned trip to Epstein's private island. And he says this is false. But of course we start to dig through the files and we can see on Epstein's calendar that Elon Musk is booked in December 6th of 2014. But maybe you don't believe that that's just the word of Jeffrey Epstein. But maybe you'll believe the word of Elon Musk who was caught emailing Jeffrey Epstein to go to his island. Post the guilty plea. Elon Musk writes, will be in BVI St. Bart's area over the holidays. Good time to visit. Jeffrey Epstein says, I will send a heli for you later. Elon Musk writes to Epstein, probably just Tallulah and me, his ex wife. What day night would be the wildest party on your island? The world's richest man is asking the most man for the wildest party on his island. And then it gets more explicit in 2012. Remember, this is the guy who said I refused it. I could never do that.

[B]

Right.

[F]

It's false. But here in 2012, he says, do you have any parties planned? I've been working to the edge of my sanity this year. I really want to hit the party scene in St. Bart's or elsewhere and let loose. The invitation is much appreciated, but a peaceful island experience is the opposite of what I'm looking for. Guys, he can't even play the I went to go study math excuse, which is what all these guys do. They say, hey, I just went to go talk to scientists. Elon's like, hey, I don't want to do that. I'm looking for a party. I that's what I'm here to do. And then Jeffrey Epstein writes, understood, I will see you on St. Barth. The ratio on my island might make your ex wife uncomfortable. I can't believe these guys are lying to us and people are swallowing it still thinking that Elon Musk had nothing to do with this guy. So again, that's 2012, that's 2014. But guess what, there's another time in 2013. I mean this seems like a yearly thing with the boys here. Once again, Elon Musk writes, will be in the BVI Saint Barts area over the holidays again, is there a good time to visit Jeffrey Epstein? Any day, first of the eight, play it by year if you want. Always space for you. They then plan some more. And you might think, well, if Elon ever told the truth, this is when he has to reject. Right? Because he said I refused. But actually it appears to be one of those cases where like your friend says, like, oh bro, I dumped her. And actually it was the other way.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

It turns out Elon Musk didn't dump the. The dumped Elon. He says, bad news. Unfortunately my schedule will keep me in New York. Hopefully we can schedule another time in the future. Jeffrey Epstein let Elon down. That's actually the real story is the reason he didn't go in 2013 was because he couldn't go. Jeffrey Epstein was not there, guys. I mean, how blatant do they have to make it?

[B]

It's. It's wild. By the way, one of the emails is on December 25th on Christmas.

[A]

I'm thinking about that on Christmas day.

[B]

During a family holiday. Right? Like, I mean again, isn't Elon Musk draining the swamp? Doesn't he care about bringing American value, biblical values back to America? The family man is emailing Epstein on Christmas Day about how he can get away and go to his island.

[A]

These are powerful men that they all need to pay. Like it's.

[B]

You know what's funny? These are. I think about all the. I think about all the bro. Evangelicals out there who are like, we gotta repeal the 19th amendment because. Because women are ruining the country. Like really? Really. The women are. The women are ruining the country, guys, really. You yourselves fix it. Come, Lord, quickly come.

[A]

We don't have to spend a ton of time on this. But there. What they did find an email of Jeffrey Epstein recommending that we don't know who he was talking to. It was. It was someone com. Asking for advice on how to handle. I think her father. But he recommended she read James Dobson.

[B]

You mean Epstein. Right. Epstein said this?

[A]

Yeah. Jeffrey Epstein was recommending to read James Dobson.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And we've long. I think we've talked about James Dobson on here before. But just the way that they talk about parenting and this like authoritarian figure that the dad, the husband is this authoritarian figure over the family and that you have to have submission from the wife and the children is. Is a. Gives so much cover for abuse. And the fact that Jeffrey Epstein, who is known for abuse, is sharing James Dobson.

[B]

Classic. Classic. Can you explain for the audience out there who maybe doesn't know who is James Dobson? Because I know he's a very deep evangelical cut, but the broader world might have no idea.

[A]

Yeah. So James Dobson was the founder of Focus on the Family, and Focus on the Family, I know, is this huge Christian organization. They make like children shows, I think. Did they. Was Adventures in Odyssey from Focus on the Family.

[B]

It was one of them.

[A]

I feel like it was. But anyway, he's just. He's a very conservative Christian man. He got involved in politics in the 90s, was very anti Bill Clinton because of the sex scandals and rightfully so, but has not kept that same energy. He has passed. He passed away this past August, actually.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But his ministry is still in existence.

[B]

Huge. If you're in the white evangelical church, at some point, his work or his views of the world or his ministry has. Has impacted probably either a parent or. Or a child at some point. It's huge.

[A]

Very anti LGBTQ people have used a lot of his teachings as justification to shun or even abandon their queer kids because he advised tough love if your kid came out gay. So, yeah, just very problematic and. But has a ton of influence in evangelical families.

[B]

I did confirm that. You're right. Focus on the Family did produce Avengers in Odyssey, which, honestly, as a kid, I loved Avengers and Odyssey, but, yes, he did produce it, so, yeah. Yeah, so that. That's who this was. So even Epstein was looking at the work of Dobson to be like, hey, this is great. This is great stuff to give people who are being greatly harmed by me or by someone El that I know. Which.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. We. We're.

[B]

We're going for.

[D]

Moving.

[A]

Yeah. Where do we want to. Where do you want to go next? We've got the Todd Blanche video. Do you want to.

[B]

Yeah, I think. I think that. I think that one's worth showing because Todd Blanche is, like, the head of the doj. And again, this just goes to show. You remember the DOJ came out and said, hey, not much we can do about these files. We really can't. We can't do anything more than just release them. Right. I mean, apparently, the DOJ suddenly is. Is. Look, they can arrest protesters at City's church, right? They can find the journalists who cover those protests. Right. They can arrest those people, no problem. But can we arrest people tied to, you know, a humongous child sa Trafficker? Nah. No, we can't. Sorry. Our hands are tied. So here's what he says. I just can't. It's right in front of us. Here we go. Here's him on Fox News the other day, some of the people we saw on camera at the rallies. Is there any chance that any of these individuals who partied with Epstein and engaged in, you know, relations with minors will be prosecuted? Any chance we.

[H]

I'll never say no. And we will always investigate any evidence of misconduct. But as you know, it is not a crime to party with Mr. Epstein. And so as horrible as is that it's not a crime to email with Mr. Epstein, and some of these men may have done horrible things, and if we have evidence that allows us to prosecute them, you better believe we will. But it's also the kind of thing that the American people need to understand that it isn't a crime to party with Mr. Epstein. It isn't a crime to have a party.

[B]

It didn't look like that's all that was going on on some of those photos. I mean, if the photos could speak, some of them look pretty bad.

[H]

That's right. And unfortunately, photos can't speak. And so we need witnesses, and we.

[B]

Are there videotapes that you all have, or. Okay, I. It's. It cuts off there. We need to also be clear. In the dump, there are photos, redacted photos, but someone saw the unredacted photos of these men with what looks like to be either very young women or people who are underage. So Todd is just straight up lying. The Department of Justice has the unredacted files. They could easily look. They can easily see who was with who. They can easily verify this stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he chooses not to. This is the kind of stuff, April, that makes me hope that there is a hell after all. Really. I mean, that this is the kind of stuff that makes me go, I hope in the afterlife there is justice for these people, because what they're doing is so depraved. It's so evil. It's so vile. Yeah, it's. It's. It's despicable, frankly. And it's happening right in front of our faces there.

[A]

They could easily open an investigation. Like, at a minimum, open an investigation. There are plenty of people that you could investigate that are redacted in these files that sent alarming emails.

[B]

And just how is. How is the response of, hey, it's not a crowded party with Mr. Epstein. What do we know what his parties were about? We have survivor testimony.

[A]

If it were reversed and Joe Biden or Barack Obama were listed the way Trump is in these files, they would be calling for them to be hanged. They like, it's just.

[B]

Don't forget. Don't forget that Trump called for the execution of Democratic lawmakers who told the military that they don't have to follow unlawful orders. So, yeah, you're right. They would be. They would be tarred and feathered publicly. Right, because they're already criminals and everyone else's money.

[A]

Think of how hard they. They went to arrest Don Lemon and Georgia Ford, journalists who were just documenting the church protests. They went so quick on that. So we know. We know you can arrest people 100%.

[B]

Now, I want to make the tie in here because this is actually relevant to our flow. A lot of people might be saying, I don't get it. Like, how. How do these Christians who claim to worship Jesus and follow Jesus, how do they not see this and get outraged? And one of the key things you have to realize to folks who did not grow up, like how me and April grew up in the white evangelical world, very conservative, is that this is how the white evangelical world operates. There's. There is a trail of. Of leaders who have credible allegations or convictions of essaying children or protecting men who do, and they're still hailed as faithful gospel preachers. John MacArthur is one example of that, who protected two men on his staff who essayed their own children. When he died last year, there was a huge memorial, huge outpouring of love on social media by these white evangelicals. So the reason why so many of these people just don't give a crap about what's happening in the Epstein files is because they're already primed to see that when their leaders have scandal to touch, not God's anointed to believe in forgiveness, to not trust the media narrative. Right? To not trust the. Don't trust the reporters. Trust what we're telling you from the stage you don't understand what's going on and then move on like it's all hunky dory. That's. That's why. Because the world they inhabit is full of this kind of unaccountability. It's an unaccountable space. And we have an example of this that I think is really going to blow people. It blew my mind. April, you and I cover this stuff and it's still my jaw drop, right? So are you cool? Are you cool if I set it up real quick and I'll have you read it? So. So there is a pastor out there named Landon Schott. This is him here. He's part of the new Apostolic Reformation. Please go.

[A]

We covered him. He went viral a year or two ago by bragging about how his school, his Christian school, was the least vaccinated school in the state of Texas. And this was while there was a measles outbreak in Texas.

[B]

That's right. That's right. Landon shot is part of the new apostolic reformation world. I recommend checking out our January 6 episode with special guest Matthew Taylor to get a crash course on that. Can't go into it here. So what was this about a year ago now? About a year ago, Pastor Robert Morris, who was the pastor of the largest church in America, Gateway Church, who was also on Trump's spiritual advisory board.

[A]

His first term.

[B]

Yeah, his first term was finally, finally had a reckoning because it turned out that Robert Morris, when he was in his early 20s, in the 80s, actually SA a 12 year old. And he buried it and hid it for decades. And this person who's now an adult, this woman really fought for her own, for herself as a survivor to get this story brought to light. And finally it was, I mean, finally the church hat can no longer ignore it. Well, Robert Morris is now serving prison time for what he did to that young girl in the 80s. Okay, that is, that is the setup for this picture. So Landon shot, who is tied into this whole world by the way. He runs a church called Mercy Culture, which I think is just so ironic because this guy is going to tell you that being gay is demonic. You can't vote for, you know, a Democrat and be a Christian. He's incredibly brutal. He posted this picture.

[A]

So, yeah, he's outside the county sheriff's office, the jail.

[B]

And this is, this is an unedited caption he put underneath of it. April, I'm going to have you read it because you're great at reading things and we'll get through the whole thing and then we'll go from there. So this is part one.

[A]

He said today was purse was deeply personal for me. I visited Pastor Robert Morris in prison before we ever started Mercy Culture Church. The Lord spoke to me very clearly. He told me to go get Pastor Robert Morris's blessing. I obeyed. That assignment turned into a year internship at Gateway Church. The elders laid hands on me and prayed over Mercy Culture before it was ever public. Years later, I asked the Lord, why did you send me to Gateway? He said, to save your future. We'll continue. It bothers me when they, they give God like audible voice.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

Anyway, okay. There were principles, structures and guardrails I needed to see up close. Things I believe will help keep Mercy Culture healthy, faithful and steady for generations. The day he went to jail, I was On a prayer run during my daily encounter, the Lord asked me, do you know what day it is? I'm sorry.

[B]

I know. I know it's hard to get through. You can do it.

[A]

I. I checked the calendar. It was Rosh Hashanah, the Hebrew new year, the beginning of the days of all leading into Yom Kippur, the day of atonement. And the Lord spoke to me. I have forgiven him. Then I found out he would be released the week of Easter and Passover, the week we celebrate the lamb, the blood, the cross, the resurrection. You cannot script. You cannot script that even in this situation, the gospel is being preached. I do not believe we can preach mercy at the altars of our churches if that same mercy is not available for the ones who stood behind them. The grace of God is not selective.

[D]

It.

[A]

Yes, their grace of God is very select.

[B]

A thousand percent hate gay people.

[A]

Okay. It is the same grace that covered David after moral failure, the same mercy that met Moses after murder, the same restoration that reached Samson after compromise. Sin is serious. It grieves the heart of God. But I do not believe that failure, even devastating failure, gets the final word in a surrendered life. I am thankful for the role Pastor Robert played in my life. I am thankful for what I learned. And I am thankful that the story of grace is still being written. And then Matthew.

[B]

25 quotes Matthew 25, 36, 40, which says, Go ahead.

[A]

I was naked and you clothed me. I was sick and you visited me. I was in prison and you came to me. And the king will answer them. Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me. Wow. They do know that verse.

[B]

They do, April. They. They. They don't know it when it comes to immigrants or to, you know, kids who can't get access to affordable lunches in school. But when it comes to men who hide their essaying of a child and are serving prison time for it, suddenly that verse just comes right to mind. Right to mind. I do want to point out one piece briefly. He says that there were principal structures and guardrails I needed to see up close at Gateway Church. This is the same church that covered up for Robert Morris. Like what guardrails? What, what. What principles, what structures could you have learned in a place that protected a man who s Aid a 12 year old and covered it up for freaking decades? And even then, when it was exposed, lied about it and they had to pull teeth how? Like, this is why April and I lose our mind every Day. Because we see this and we go, how? How do you have more mercy on a man who did something so egregious and hid it? Which, by the way, does not show a repented attitude at all. It looks like his sin found him out. To quote the scriptures, right? That man deserves all the grace and mercy that you could possibly give. But the immigrant should be kidnapped. The gay person should be put into conversion camp therapy. The woman who has an ectopic pregnancy should not be able to have access to health care to save her life. No, no, no, you can't do that. If we're us progressive Christians. Oh, no, we're the worst of the worst. We've been handed over to Satan. But the man who assaults a 12 year old. God's mercy is good, brother.

[A]

It's terrible.

[B]

It is backwards.

[A]

I feel like he. This might be. I might. Maybe I dreamed this, but I feel like when I first read this yesterday, he said somewhere that he had the honor of sitting down with Robert Morris.

[B]

I feel like not in the beginning was it. No, I remember that sounds familiar, but maybe it's just my own memory. My point, friends, the point, the reason we bring this up is so you can see the correlation. That kind of logic now gets applied to Trump, right? That kind of logic gets applied to their guy in politics, right? David had moral failure. God still used him. It's the same thing. This is how they justify a man who abuses people, period. That's just how. That's how it works. That's how it works. So, okay, do you want to do the Jimmy Kibble piece or do you want to just kind of move on from it? We have some super chats to read. I don't think it's worth getting into. It is what it is.

[A]

Yeah, that's fine.

[B]

All right, well, let me do this really quick, friends. Thank you so much for tuning in. It means the world. Please make sure to give this stream a like. If you're watching on YouTube, subscribe to the channel on YouTube. We drop videos every Tuesday and we go live on Thursday. If you're watching on substack, thank you so much. We love having the Substack audience. I can see your comments, love what you're saying. It means so much that you show up here every week with April and I. The Tim and April show is produced by the New Evangelicals. It's a nonprofit organization that I founded, now run by Melinda Hale, and it is designed to help people find a better path forward in faith, to expose Christian nationalism. It's a Great space, free resources. You can follow us at. The New Evangelicals. We have a the New Evangelicals podcast, there's the Advocacy hour podcast, there's the Tim April show. And to celebrate Black History Month, we are currently going through a free series on black Liberation Theology on TNE Connect. That's our community hub. TheNewEvangelicals.com Connect is where you can find us. Okay. Want to read some super chats real quick?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Thank you, friends for the super chats. It all goes to making this show possible. Okay, here you go. Can you read these?

[A]

Yeah. It's from Joseph Quantum. Thank you for. For all y' all do. I refuse to let this corrupt regime ruin my birthday. Happy birthday.

[B]

Happy birthday. Another one.

[A]

The I. It's. It's blurry for me. Can you read it?

[B]

Yeah. The biggest liar on the planet has the nerve to besmirch Caitlin Collins as she asks a question about SA victims. That's from Joseph Collins. Thank you so much, Joseph. Darren Garvey says we in the UK have dealt with the one in the files, but unfortunately one that is in on them 40 odd times and in Trump pocket might be the the or next leader. Thank you, Darren, for that response. Another one from Joseph Compton. Thanks, Joseph. We see white evangelical Christians truly believe that they are doing the will of God. You can't get through to them. They are destroying their witness. No one is going to take them seriously and they'll be the ones wondering why. 100%, Deanna much. We should start with perjury charges for Patel and Bondi. So infuriating to see people still supporting this.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

Dalk Dogan. Remember the politician standards when Howard Dean's by a was outlandish? I don't remember that. Do you? Well, look it up now Trump is criticizing a reporter for not smiling about sex crimes and he's still in office. I feel. I feel like I'm going crazy. 100%. And we have two more, actually. One more from Deanna again. Meanwhile, here in Montana, we now have a TPUSA chapter in each high school and we have handed over our voter rolls all in the last day. Yikes. That is not good.

[A]

Okay, okay. So we're actually going to go straight to our weird Christian segment because it's going to segue into the halftime show and you'll see why here in a second. So do you want to play our weird Christian? Okay. This is a classic weird Christian Poopa movie.

[B]

Classic.

[A]

We're going old school. Let's see. When, when, when did this air? I'm gonna say like 70s or 80s TBN. Let's see led Zeppelin win.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Take a look. This is like the 80s. I think I remember this, by the way. People showed this to me when I was in church as like a slam dunk. This is why you shouldn't listen to Led Zeppelin. I'm not sure about you, April. I was also told that AC DC stood for Antichrist, Devil's Child.

[A]

I mean, it makes sense. I grew up in this world too. Like Satanic panic, which started in the 80s and you can look it up, has never really gone away, especially in your more. And I think in more charismatic evangelical spaces, we were very demon happy. Oh, everything had a hidden demon in it that could latch on to you. So this is tbn. If you don't know tbn, it stands for the Trinity Broadcasting Network. They're the largest Christian television network in the world. They. They're famous for Praise the Lord. That's like their. Their big show. Jim Baker started on Praise the Lord before he started his own thing. Paul and Jan Croucher, who started it. They've both since passed. But this is from a show on TBN from the 80s where they listen to rock music because they were one of the. They were part of spreading satanic panic when they claimed that rock music was satanic. And if you listen to some of the songs backwards, you actually heard secret satanic messages.

[B]

Yes. Just for context, TBN reaches, according to the Internet, over a hundred million households. This is not a lot of network. So I. I pulled this clip. It's a couple of different, you know, little shorts of this. This segment of this guy on the right with his old tape recorder showing. I'm not sure the host of this is how Satanic Led Zeppelin is. Here we go again.

[I]

I could play this whole song for you forwards, and I would if I had time, just to prove to you I have not documented, but I have not. Let's go on and see how many messages we can pick out of this one.

[F]

This is from Stairway to Heaven.

[I]

This is from Stairway to Heaven. And this is backwards. Okay, right off the bat there.

[A]

What did you hear? I live with Satan.

[I]

All right, back that up a little. The Lord. Tell me if you hear the. The Lord turned me off. One more time. Turn me out. All right, listen, Lord, turn me off. I've listened to that on headphones, and it's really clear. Yeah. There's no escaping my sweet Satan or no, here's to my sweet, sweet Satan.

[B]

Tell me if you can't begin to write.

[I]

Okay. Tell me if you hear. There's power in Satan. There's power in Satan. I heard it as clear as a bell. All right, tell me now in the next part, if you hear he will give you 666. Yeah. All right, there's one more section. Let it play.

[B]

Just really work it.

[I]

All right. I edited that out the back, but this is actually earlier in the song. But tell me if you hear. You've got a.

[B]

Or.

[I]

They've got to live for Satan. Okay, here it comes. Yeah. Yeah. They've got to live for Satan. And that's.

[B]

The epitome of confirmation bias. Have you ever seen those videos online where it sounds like a distorted whatever and depending on what words you read, you hear it? Have you ever seen those before? Yeah. I mean.

[A]

Yeah. So the reason we are playing that for you today is so many Maga and conservative Christians are so mad about Bad Bunny doing the halftime show because they claim it's not American, even though he's Puerto Rican, which is all American. And he. He had. He just won album of the year at the Grammys this past Sunday, and he made. He broke a record for being the first album that's a fully Spanish speaking album to win album of the year, which.

[B]

Love it.

[A]

I love that, too.

[B]

Great.

[A]

So Turning Point.

[B]

They announced not to let that stand.

[A]

Yeah, when. When. When the NFL first announced Bad Bunny, Maga lost their minds because they have very selective outrage. And Turning Point was like, we're gonna do an alternative halftime show. And I remember people were. Were making fun of them saying, oh, it's gonna be Kid Rock. Because that's. That's the only person that they have that would actually do it.

[B]

Literally.

[A]

Halftime show.

[B]

Literally.

[A]

Just this week, they announced the lineup and sure enough, who's headlining?

[B]

Kid Rock, the all American halftime show. And the captions to these posts say celebrating faith, family, and freedom. So this is their alternative Kid Rock. Kid Rock.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So there's only one small problem.

[A]

What's a small problem?

[B]

Well, I mean, Kid Rock is not really, you know, a family friendly person.

[A]

No, he is not. Do you. You want to show us the stuff?

[B]

Well, I do, but my child's walking in on screen because he's escaped. Harper, I am live on the Internet and you cannot be in here.

[A]

It's like, cover.

[B]

Yeah, you're laughing. Can you go find mommy? Please? Please? Okay. Can you go find mommy for me? I'll be out in a few minutes.

[A]

You film me on mommy's channel.

[B]

Okay, I'll be right there. Okay. Can you go see Mommy, please. Thank you. I love you. All right, sounds good. High five. See you a little bit. All right. Sorry about that, friends. I know. He's such a cutie. Okay, so I want to just be clear. I'm going to share a screenshot from one of Kids Rock's music videos. And this was a tamer screenshot. There were others that I don't think we could have shared on YouTube without being flagged. So, you know, just to be clear, this is a screenshot from one of Kid Rock's videos. It's Kid Rock being mauled by a bunch of women, most of which are not dressed. And this TBN has gone from if you play Led Zeppelin backwards, you hear we love Satan, to, oh, we're gonna play this guy on our networks to celebrate faith, family, and freedom.

[A]

I. And you guys, this is not even the worst part about this story. It wasn't on the graphic you shared, but on Turning Points Instagram, there's another graphic where it shows all of the places that this is going to be airing. And here I want to pull it up because I want to tell you. I want to tell you because it's. They're airing it on a lot of different channels. It will be aired on.

[B]

Oh, here.

[A]

Real America's Voice Charge, national news desk, YouTube. And if you zoom in there on the left, you'll see the logo for tbn. Tbn. Who just. Who literally convinced an entire generation that rock music was satanic and that you listened to it? You could welcome Satan into your home. That led to my youth pastor telling all of us teens that we had to destroy all of our secular CDs, and I did not fight tooth and nail to. To. For my right to listen to NSync or Britney Spears or whatever just for TBN to air kid Rock.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

What is happening? Like, I have no problem with secular music. I was always a rebel when it came to that because, like, this is stupid. I'm not being infected by Satan because I listen to boy bands. But TBN does care about secular music, and it's so funny to me, too, because to this day, you'll see Christian influencers on their podcast that are like, you know what? We really shouldn't listen to anything that doesn't glorify the Lord. You need to get rid of your secular music. You need to start watching those raunchy TV shows like Pretty Little Liars. That's what Maddie Puitt from the Bachelor said. And like, that. That's still a huge push. And now tbn.

[B]

Tbn. And Lyrics from Kid Rock song one of them have resurfaced about him loving underage girls. I'm not going to share the L. But also. Can I say something? I didn't know this at the time. That song about where he makes that comment is actually in the. The cartoon Osmosis Jones. That song, I was like, I was told. I know. I didn't know that. I went over my head as a kid.

[A]

But, I mean, that Kid Rock sang that. But it's also weird. Like, I don't think that was. I don't know if he originally wrote that song or if, like, the movie made it and just had him sing it. And, I mean, it's all around weird. I don't know how they let that get in there in a kids movie.

[B]

It's just. It's just. It is. It's just. It's comical. It's comical that we go from literally. I mean, we go from the 80s of satanic panic, you know, backwards Led Zeppelin to this. This will be aired on tbn.

[A]

I mean, to be fair, they're probably not going to air that. But.

[B]

No, but the guy who makes these videos, the womanizer, which, I mean, isn't it fitting. It is fitting, right? That, like, they would have a womanizer lead the halftime show celebrating faith and family when they put a womanizer and a serial abuser in the White House to bring back faith and family in the country. Right? I mean, again, that's the logic, guys. That Bad Bunny is bad because he's Puerto Rican, not American. If this is your example of what American is, I don't think. I don't think it. It just says a lot about, like, what you think America is.

[A]

But, Tim, it's not a crime to party like Jeffrey Epstein.

[B]

You're right. My bad. My bad. It's not a crime. It's not a crime to email him either. I'm not sure if you know that. So now the super bowl is happening. It will happen after this airs on Sunday.

[A]

And obviously, I'll be watching my bingo cards.

[B]

Oh, you do well to put those out there. And we will. Obviously, I'm going to watch the Bad Bunny performance, but I will absolutely be tuning in after to the Kid Rock show with the other B list celebrities.

[A]

And I'm very excited of the other people that they announced.

[B]

I don't want to sound like an elder millennial. I don't know who these people are. Yeah, I don't know. Do you know? I've never heard of them. What's the. Is there An Instagram. I can look them up. I mean, I'm.

[A]

It is hilarious, me that after people were making fun of Kid Rock and then they had months to get someone, and all they could get was Kid Rock.

[B]

So Brantley, Gilbert, Lee Bryce, and Gabby Barrett. That's no idea who they have? No, I. I don't know.

[A]

I don't think. But I don't know who they are. No.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, like, you know, live and let live, I guess. But, like, who is Gary Barrett? Okay, I'm looking her up. Okay. It looks like she's a country singer. Classic. Oh, she's an American Idol. A long time ago, apparently. Huh. Huh. Okay. Anyway. Anyway, we wanted to share that. Yeah, Yeah, I just wanted to share a little bit of the of Again, just the ridiculous outbreak.

[A]

I don't know what timeline we are in. We do have some more super chats we need to read.

[B]

All right, let's read those and we'll wrap it up here. It's been. Yes. It's been a long show. Okay, let's read these. Let's see. From Deanna. I want to know who. I want to know is who thought to listen backwards. Yes, that's a good point. Can you read. Can you read these or no? Is your screen still blurry?

[A]

Let me see. It is a little bit. I think. I think I can make it out. From Lord Lurag 09 12. My God, the audacity to use Jesus's words to validate caring for essay offender, not the victim makes my blood boil. Yes, for sure. From Marianne. Thank you for all you do. You keep me sane through all this insanity. Thank you so much. We. Y' all keep us sane too.

[B]

Seriously.

[A]

From.

[B]

I can't read the name Melanie and Lee.

[A]

Okay. From Melanie and Lee. It's just my screen's blurry. I'm convinced that the Christian anti rock music movement is rooted in racism because rock and roll music has its. It just went really blurry for me, so I can't read the rest of it.

[B]

Yeah, that's actually a great point. Actually, I'm gonna. I'm gonna restart. She says. I'm convinced that the Christian anti rock music movement is rooted in racism because rock and roll music has its roots in black music. Those Christians were afraid of race mixing. Great call out, Melanie. I think you are absolutely 100% right. 100% right. This is. And to be honest, I think that that's even part of the Bad Bunny outrage. Right. His music is not like our music. Right. And that music is bad. So we're gonna put Kid Rock out on the COVID instead.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Well, did we finish all the super chats?

[B]

I, I, we did. That's all the super chats. We have finished. We got through our list. We covered everything. Who are you? Really quick, More fun, Fun language or fun conversation? Who are you rooting for in the Super Bowl?

[A]

You know, I don't really like the Patriots, just from historical reasons. So I guess the Seahawks. But to be honest, I haven't really followed the NFL much in years because I'm a Dallas Cowboy fan and my regular heartbreak just got annoying. So I was like, I'm just not going to care anymore. Get out of here.

[B]

That's embarrassing. Do you also listen to Led Zeppelin backwards to find Satan in the song.

[A]

Loyal to My Home? What can I say?

[B]

You really are, you really are to a fault somebody even say, shut up.

[A]

But, but anyway, I watch the super bowl for the, I mean, I always watch the super bowl for the commercials for the halftime show and for the outrage, you mark my words. Someone on Facebook, some evangelical on Facebook is going to post a blurry screen grab of the halftime show as proof that there was satanic symbolism.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

Every year. Every year, no matter who it is. And I will be on the lookout for that.

[B]

I'm also going to, you should put this on your bingo card. I'm going to guess that the actual presentation of the halftime show Turning Points halftime show is going to be terrible. I think it's going to be cheesy. I think it's going to be unproduced. They might even have technical issues. And I bet the audio mix is going to be horse crap because it's really hard, it's hard to do broadcast audio. And so I just think that, that as big as they are, they don't have the ability to do it like well. So that, that's part of my prediction also. I'm with you. I'm rooting for the Seahawks overall. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Cool.

[B]

Anyway, all right, friends. Hey, thanks so much for being here. It means the world. We do this every Thursday at 12 o' clock Eastern. So we'll be back next week covering whatever happens this Sunday and probably so much more so. I'm Tim Whitaker.

[A]

I'm April Lajoy.

[B]

We'll see you later on.

[C]

Bye.