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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Tim Dillon Podcast. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for watching the interview on CNN which they released. And I am grateful to CNN for their. Their honesty in putting out that entire interview and not editing it. And I want to thank Elle, the interviewer, for pushing for that. I think it was a good conversation that highlighted a lot of differences between myself and the interviewer in a respectful way. And I think a lot of people are responding to that. You know, a lot of people are saying, wow, you can just have a conversation and not scream and yell and not be contentious and not be angry. I think a lot of what people are missing is that people don't have a shared base of knowledge. So people feel like they're being attacked all the time. But really, this woman just didn't know a lot of things, and she had made assumptions based on not having the information. So the way to deal with that is not to go, what the fuck are you talking about, you stupid bit. Like, the way to deal with it is to go, oh, yeah, I don't think you realize X or Y or Z. It wasn't to, like, you know, fly off the handle and call her. Like, friends of mine were really angry at her. I had friends of my text me, how the fuck does she. This guy. She doesn't. She doesn't know. She read a few articles about podcasts and then did this interview. She's not a student of comedy. She's not a scholar of comedy. She doesn't understand a lot of the topics that she's talking about, or there are gaping holes in her understanding of certain things. And if I can correct her in a nice way, that's the way to do it. That's the way to do it. And I think she probably left that interview going, okay, because her premise is that comedy is owned by Joe Rogan. And the podcasts that are the ones that Trump went on and Vance are the only podcasts that exist or are the biggest. And that's simply not true. Comedy has people from all stripes. A lot of them are very successful. A lot of them. People have no idea who they are because everybody's siloed in their own bubble. You know, I tell people all the time how well other people are doing, and friends of mine are shocked. I go, you know, that guy's doing this. And they go, what? What? Because they're not in that. It's not in their algorithm or on their feed. They're not being exposed to it. They don't know. Amy Poehler has a tremendously popular podcast, but a lot of people don't even know she has one. But now they're doing all those rankings and you go, oh, Amy Poehler's got a really popular podcast. The Midas Touch is a very popular liberal podcast with these lawyers who are brothers or whatever, but a lot of people wouldn't know what that is. But it gets a ton of downloads. You know, this whole idea that four or five podcasts were the deciding factor in the election is a very convenient belief. It's not true. I said it. The day after the election, I recorded from Miami, I said it. No one's going to buy this. No one's going to buy that Theo Vaughn swayed the course of human history. I love the ovant, but you're putting too much pressure on him. That's not what happened. Does no one remember what happened with the old guy and the debate and the babbling and then the who's gonna do it? And then Kamala comes in and then Trump gets shot and he survives with the hand and the blood. Like, you're leaving out so much to just bring up five podcasts. You're leaving out, like, everything that happened. Well, it's just. It's these five podcasts. But I, like, I. I thought she was very nice. She was not super combative. And I've spoken to her since, and I know that a lot of people have come down on her. Um, but her point of view is not unique. That's not a rare point of view. People are calling me. Who's. Who is she? How'd they let her do that? That is a point of view that is held by the majority of people in the media that I speak to who are trying to reconcile all of these things in their head. Comedy's right wing. Now, a lot of the people they describe are right wing, are more centrist. Some of them aren't. But the idea that they dominate all of comedy is untrue. It's completely untrue. Or what has happened over the last five years Is that all traditional media, all of it, television, film, streaming, less streaming, because streaming is still doing very well, but in certain, on certain platforms, but all traditional media has declined and is in probably a terminal decline, freefall. So if you're pointing to liberal or left leaning, left of center shows that are on cable, that's. That doesn't mean that. That comedy doesn't exist anymore or that those people aren't relevant. It means the platforms they're on are dying. Cable is dying. Comedy Central is dying. I had a meeting with Comedy Central, I think, in like 2018 or 2019, with these two executives, and I was sitting there and they said they were young, they were like in their 20s, like late 20s. And they said, we've got an exciting new venture. And I said, what? And they go podcasting. I go podcasting. It's 2019. It's been around for like 10 years. And they were getting into podcasting and digital stuff then. And they didn't devote any real money to expanding their digital presence. You got to remember, Comedy Central had this comedy audience and did nothing with it on the Internet. They did nothing with it. They were passed by every YouTube sketch group, every smosh, every whatever. If you go back in time and you look at all of the early adapters to YouTube, Comedy Central did nothing. All of these legacy media institutions had massive audiences at one time, and none of them, or very few of them pivoted in a meaningful way to digital. They didn't take their audience with them and say, hey guys, there's actually this platform that some people think is going to be pretty big. It's called the Internet. They did nothing with it. And these people, and I remember all of these comics that I was friends with telling me, hollywood's not going anywhere. This was something people, not going anywhere. And they, they believed it. And I even believed it. Not enough to not do my own thing, because I needed to survive. But that was the belief that people said. And they, they said to each other, the business is not going anywhere. Stay in the business. Stay. I remember big comedians. I won't say their names. One of them said to a friend of mine, never make Hollywood the joke. Never turn on them. Don't. Now there's good reasons for that, too. You don't want to seem bitter, resentful, whatever. And I understand what this comedian was saying, but I think he was, he was saying to the person, like, play your position no matter what. And, and, and, and the business will decide where you, what you are. Are you a writer? Are you an Actor, do you do a bit part? Are you the star of the show? Are you a standup comedian? Will decide. The business will decide who and what you are. And the business made a lot of great decisions, couple of bad ones, but that was the accepted reality. You can do everything you want to do and then you sit back and wait to see what happens. And all of these people, we're sitting around going, the business is not going anywhere. Hollywood's not going anywhere. I don't have to be on the Internet, I don't have to be on YouTube, I don't have to be on social media. I don't have to do these things. I can do other things. I get a check, I get paid. And again, this isn't a crusade against Hollywood. All the movies I grew up with that I loved were made in that system. All the television I watched that I grew up with was made in that system. All the stand up comedians that I loved, the vast majority of them existed in that, on that spectrum somewhere. Some of them were beloved, some of them weren't. Some of them were more on the outside. But this is not an indictment of that. I don't, I mean, I don't, I, I don't love the child rape. If I had, if there was a couple of sticking points, I would, you know, and the, you know, you know, throwing women in the Grand Canyon or whatever they were doing. But if you look at the product, the product, some of it was really good. But there's an inevitability to innovation. Things change rapidly and things changed and you had to be, you had to be ignorant of it purposefully. You had to bury your head in the sand. You had to ignore it. You had to be. It was coming. Louis CK released his own special on his own website. That was, that was a shot for fired across the bow. That was a pivotal moment where people were like, wow, you could do that, you can do that. That was a big thing he made. Horace and Pete, right? These are things, you know, Joe Rogan had a podcast where he was doing these long form interviews and it was gaining tons of popularity and comics around his orbit in Los Angeles were building major followings online and now it's on cnn. But back then it was ignored. It was ignored because none of those people had a development deal with Fox or hbo. So all of the things that are now front page news, and I don't even think they should be, but they are, were ignored. What today is being ignored, that in five years is going to be the biggest story. It's something I thought about as I left CNN a month ago. I go, I remember when nobody cared. I remember when this was a joke. I remember when the word podcast was actually a joke. Oh, go do a podcast. And you know where those people are today? All those people that made fun of podcasters? You know where they are today? They're in Gaza. I'm kidding. They're actually on the other side, interestingly enough. Here's my point. I'm gonna mix up geopolitics into this. It's neither here nor there. What I'm saying is always be looking out for whatever's coming. I don't know what's coming. If I did, I'd have a ton of money, a lot more than I do now. I don't know what's next. But I know that all the things that people made fun of and YouTube and podcasting, this was all a slur. It was a malediction. There was a, it was a, a way to denigrate somebody and their career. It was a way to insult them. These things have now become very, very mainstream things. I don't know what's coming next. I don't know what's coming. Whether you're gearing up for back to back meetings, shuttling kids back and forth to activities, or tackling an endless to do list, your morning sets the tone for it all. That's why it should start with the perfect cup of coffee crafted for you. Enter trade. Let's be real. Coffee isn't just a drink. It's a ritual, a lifeline. 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She's like, mad at this. What? So Ms. Ra. Yeah, I know, I know. So this woman is like, doesn't understand, like, why all these kids in Gaza, like, do have to go. Like, all of them. She doesn't get it. She didn't get the memo that, like, these are not blameless children. They are part of a very, very dangerous terrorist organization. And they have to be. And I mean, there's people that are coming on saying this. By the way, Dr. Inot Wolf is out going, the. The Hamas represents the genuine desires of the Palestinian people. Uh, another guy just came out and we'll play him later, saying that, like, hey, there's not really anybody innocent over there. There's no such thing as innocent people. And so, and of, of course. So it's odd to me that Ms. Rachel is not figuring this out. She's like, just looking at these kids and going, why do we keep killing these kids? And there's a good reason. There's always a good reason for children being killed. Literally always. And it bothers me when people make it simple. Like, people make it really simple. And it's like, the world is not that simple. When I see a child being killed, the first thing I do is step back and take a moment. I take a moment and I think about history and I think about the layers and the complexity, the ins and the outs, and that's what I do. Ms. Rachel, this dumb bitch, by the way, she sees a kid being killed and he's like, stop it. Stop killing that kid. And I'm like, wait a minute. Why don't you read the book? How about some study? When I see a kid being killed, I immediately open a book and I begin to read the book, and I. And I'll find the answer. I don't know where. Chapter three, maybe chapter 12, but I will keep reading the book. I do a lot of this. When I see a kid being killed, I do a lot of this. I do a lot of. Interesting. What is happening? What is this? So she is, you know, understandably ignorant of the need to. You know, there's always a reason. It's. We're not just running around killing kids unless it's a necessary thing to be done there, right? I mean, so this whack job, okay, to make some political point. I don't want to see politics when I'm watching a children's show. Now, Ms. Rachel is politicizing her children show with Hamas propaganda. Now let's take a look. And by the way, this is not for the faint of heart. I'm telling you right now. I watch this. I was in disbelief at how sick it is. I was in literal disbelief. This is one of the sickest and most insane things I've seen in my life. This is an American mother engaging in Hamas propaganda with a member of Hamas. She brought a member of Hamas on her show. Let's take a look, see if we can get a little volume there. Shall we? Wake them with a merry tune. They're so still. Are they disgusting? Wake up soon. Let's pretend to sleep. Wake up, little bunnies. Skip, little bunny, skip, skip, skip, skip, little bunny, skip, skip, skip, little bunny, skip, skip, skip, skip, skip, skip. And stop. Let's hop again. Hop, little bunnies, hop, hop, hop, hop, little bunnies, hop, hop, hop. This is Hamas propaganda. Let's stop this for a minute, because this is insane. It is propaganda. Ms. Rachel with the. A girl who lost both of her legs in Gaza. And again, you might. You might. You might think that's wrong. You might think that's wrong. From the comfort of your house, you might not understand why it's right. Because as Douglas Murray would say, you're in the. You're in the comfort of your home. You're in the comfort of your home. People in the Western world in your cul de sacs, and your suburbs don't understand why that girl's legs needed to be off her body. Do you understand that? Maybe you're confused. You better get the memo, you better get the program as to why we needed that. She needs to have no legs. But you'd understand that if you weren't so goddamn soft. See, everyone in the west is soft. And they can't understand why we gotta kill children. They don't get it. Cuz they're too comfortable with their Chipotle bowls and their fucking, I don't know, whatever else they got, they're fucking. I'm trying to, you know, here's the thing. I'm trying to think of like a regular mid sized car, but I haven't had one in so long. So I'm trying to think a KIA with your kias. That's. That's one of them, right? Yeah. The point is everybody in our country is soft and doesn't get. Get her out of here. Get this propaganda out of here. This Hamas propaganda. Elon Musk is out of the White House. I told you it was going to happen. I said it was going to happen. You doubted me. You yelled and screamed at me. The Doge era kind of ended. Elon Musk said, I'm going to save all this money. He said, I'm going to save $2 trillion. I don't know what they saved. A couple of pens, I don't know what kind of spending they even got to. He wasn't going to go through the Pentagon. They would have killed him. And he couldn't touch entitlements like Medicare and Social Security. Because a lot of people in Trump's orbit were, rightly including Bannon, when I had him on the show, were like, the Republicans are going to get clobbered in the midterms if you allow Elon Musk to hack up these entitlement programs like Social Security. Bannon, though, came out and said everything changed for Musk after Trump publicly denied that the CEO would receive a secret China briefing. This is kind of interesting, Bannon. You could feel it. Everything changed. The fever had been broken. Bannon told the magazine. This is a piece in the Atlantic regarding the litany of concerns raised about the scope of Musk's influence within the federal government. And that's the thing. Musk realized, I think, pretty quickly that there was a ceiling to what he was doing. Donald Trump's not going to hand the presidency over to Elon Musk. It's just not going to happen. These tech guys do, do, do well, to remember, to stay in the shadows. That's where they made their money. That's where they made their fortunes, by the way, in the shadows, tucked up there in Cupertino, up there in Palo Alto, up there in Silicon Valley where nobody knew what the hell they were doing. That's where they thrived, by the way. Away from public scrutiny, hanging out with their friends. They did not thrive in the public eye. They don't know how to do it. That's not what they're good at. They need to stay away from biological entities. It's not good. It's not good. And they, they, they figure that out. Musk came out with the chainsaw, you know, at cpac, doing Tesla commercials on the White House lawn. It looked cringe, it looked bad. It didn't play well. Yeah, get up. The photo of him with the. Yeah, I mean, this just, this isn't it. But he tried. He tried. Then he went, I have become meme. He tried. He thought it was going to go a lot better than it did. It didn't really work. But that's okay. He's got a company, goes back to his company. They said incorrectly that Elon Musk is going to the Pentagon tomorrow to be proofed on, to be briefed on any potential war with China. Trump said at the time, how ridiculous. China will not even be mentioned or discussed. So I think what basically happened was Elon Musk was kind of riding high. He got into a very, you know, pretty publicized fight with Scott Bessant, Trump's Treasury Secretary, who can himself barely speak. And Elon and Scott got into a fight about who would lead the irs. And eventually Elon's choice was defeated and they chose Besson's choice to head the Internal Revenue Service. So Elon was like hitting walls. And then there was this idea that he was going to get a briefing about China, who Elon has a lot of business with, by the way. And there's a lot of people that do not trust Elon. I don't know Elon. I met him one time. So I'm really not an expert on Elon Musk. Only to say that his public facing behavior is a bit ridiculous and absurd, but I don't know what lurks underneath that. Maybe it's nothing, I don't know. It seems, it seems kind of a black box. I don't know. But there are people that believe he's owned by the ccp. There are people that believe that he's, you know, a problem. He's being controlled to some degree, whether through financial interest or other means, that he has a. You know, he's certainly has a very favorable view of the ccp. I don't know about him. Then I have people that know him decently well, and they think he's a genius and, you know, just wants to help us all become AI and go terraform Mars, which I think is a lovely idea. Lovely thought. So. I don't know. I just know that remember that, by the way, the future of your life will be things that'll be. It'll feel like something was the entire reality of the world. And then a week later, it won't even. Like, you'll talk to somebody. You'll go, remember when Elon Musk, like, ran the government for three weeks? And then two months later, it'll be like it never happened. And then you'll be like, remember tariffs? And then a month later, it'll be like it never happened. You know, remember when Trump and Zelensky and Vance got in that fight in the Oval Office? What? It's over. Remember when Trump yelled at the South African guy about genocide? You didn't even know that happened. You didn't even know it happened, but it did. He brought the South African president in and he goes, why are all these white farmers getting killed? And the guy's like, what? I'm not doing it. But that kind of ambush White House fun that they're having is. It's a reality show. The entire country now is a reality show. People are getting owned. It's like the beginning of the Real Housewives, where they all have a catchphrase. People have catchphrases and nicknames. People are getting owned. People come in, they have a big storyline. Elon Doge. Then they vanish. What happened to them? They're gone. It's become a reality television show where stories pop up and then they disappear. Things are unbelievable. There was a Navy ship, a Mexican Navy ship that crashed into the Brooklyn Bridge. It looked like it was an old clipper ship. The Mexican navy was doing some type of, like, I don't know, like, regatta. Like, here we are. And then it crashed to the Brooklyn Bridge. And. And. And a couple of people died. Here, play this a little bit. So that Mexican Navy ship snapping into pieces, nearly 300 sailors on the ship on a training mission. Two of them were killed, several others recovering from injuries tonight. And there are many questions about how this happened. Here's Giovannidis. Yeah, stop it. Here's my question. 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With Morgan and Morgan it's easy to get started and their fee is free unless they win. Just Visit for the People.com Tim or dial pound law pound 529 that's for the People.com Tim or Dial pound law pound 529 this is a paid advertisement. This is just what I mean. There's so many things that are happening in succession that you can't focus on any one thing. And as you ask a question, this horrible thing just happened with a couple in Washington D.C. that were attending some type of humanitarian function. It was a Jewish woman and a Christian man or something like that or two Jewish people or one Jewish person, a Christian. But they were this lovely good looking young couple that were gunned down by some lunatic and they were, they were attending some function and that'll be out of the press. In 48 hours because we just don't have the capacity to really focus on any of this stuff or what any of it means. The scariest thing, by the way, is not that these stories are ephemeral, which means fleeting. I know some of you struggle. It's not that we don't remember these things. It's that we can't analyze what any of them mean because they just vanish. They evaporate. And then we're all just sitting around like, wait, what? Wait, what happened Again with that? What was that? It's my job to keep track of this bullshit, and I don't even know half of it. You know, I'm like, wait, what? Who? So this is terrible. There's an Israeli embassy. A young couple worked for the Israeli embassy. They've been shot dead outside of a Jewish museum in Washington, D.C. and by the way, it doesn't do anyone any good to be a psycho on. On Twitter saying they deserve to be killed or it was an inside job or something like that. This doesn't. That doesn't help anybody. Doesn't help anybody for you to say that stuff because that's not your job. That's my job. Why in God's name would you say it for no money? No, I'm. I'm kidding. We don't know anything about this. All we know is that they clearly didn't deserve to die. Obviously. They're human beings. By the looks of it, they're pretty good human beings. We cannot co sign the murder of innocent people. It is not good. We cannot do that. It is. It is the way civilization unravels to just blindly co sign the murder of innocent people. It's fucking crazy. Stop doing it. Stop trying to minimize it. It's not good. It hurts your own case when you celebrate the death of innocent people. It could be one person, two people, however many people. It's not advancing anything in a positive way. Truly, you know, that doesn't mean you can't look at the circumstances of something and, and put it in a context of history or. But none of that context should ever mean that it's okay. It's not good. I started the show with that. When something horrible happens to somebody, your first goal isn't to go to the library and get a book, by the way. It's to say, stop this from happening. This shouldn't happen. It's not to go, well, let's think about it. Let's think about it for a minute. And then everybody's like, well, World War II. What about World War II. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. This isn't World War II. That's how you shut all of those people down immediately. You just go, oh, thanks for that. This isn't that. Well, in World War II, would you have been one of the. Yeah, yeah. But it's not World War II. That isn't what this is. Everybody always tries to make it into World War II. Well, it's actually a clash of civilization. Stop it. Stop it. We cannot celebrate. Excuse the murder of people. It's completely fucked up. It is. Here's a story that gives me hope. There's certain stories in the country, I gotta be honest with you, that make me sad. Many of the ones we just talked about today. There are stories that I think about and, and I believe that this country may come out of this malaise and survive. Texas mother aids son in planning school shooting in exchange for him babysitting his younger sibling. This tells me that we are still a country where people can do great things. We're gonna. We're gonna play this in a second. But when I came across this story, it filled me with the type of kind of nostalgia I grew up in, an era of school shootings. It filled me with an era of nostalgia because the family in this country is under attack. It is. We know it, we know it. We know it. We feel it. The family is under attack. And. And here's a family fighting back. Isn't it nice to see a family fight back? When the family is under attack, the family fights back. So this is his son and his mother who plan to fight back against the forces that are trying to tear them apart. And actually, it's why our country exists. So before you get on your moral high horse, I want you to watch this. It makes me tear up. It's beautiful. From CBS Sunday Morning. Antonio. A mother is charged with providing her son the means to carry out an attack on his middle school. And now both are facing terrorism charges. Janet Shamlian has the story.