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Get ready to take a flamethrower to the official narrative and learn what the elites don't want you to know. You're listening to the Tom Woods Show. Hey, everybody, Tom woods here, episode 2741 of the Tom Woods Show. The great Daniel McAdams is with us, executive director of the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity, co host of the Ron Paul Liberty Report, and the guy I could talk to about whatever topic is going on in the world. I could always just bring Daniel McAdams on and we could talk about it and have a great old time. Daniel, first of all, welcome back. Good to see you. As Dr. Paul would say, well, thanks, Tom.
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B
You're way too kind.
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And let's talk about. So I just the other day had Scott Horton on the program and a couple of guys from the Cato Institute. And I know we hear Cato Institute and we cringe quite rightly. I understand that. But it needs to be said that even Scott, who does not go easy on anybody, says that this current configuration of the foreign policy wing is really rock solid. I mean, it even passes the Scott Horton test. So we talked about the situation in Iran, which no doubt will come up here and there in this conversation, but I really do want to keep this somewhat distinct from that because this is a topic that I lined up with you before that even blew up, so to speak. We were going to talk about this anyway. So I still do want to talk about it. And that is this situation with Israel in which if you talk about what's going on and you talk about it a lot because you think it's an important topic, you're accused of being, quote, obsessed. Like I was, quote, obsessed with COVID But with good reason. Right? Covid was transforming our society in all kinds of undesirable ways. So you better believe I was, you know, that's a dumb, loaded word to say obsessed. Let's just say I was intensely interested in it, and because of that, I ended up writing a book about it because of all the stuff that I had written. Well, likewise, this is a situation where I'm observing the US Israel relationship, and I'm observing a lot of people who favor that relationship who talk about it constantly. Who? People in government who talk more about Israel and about foreign affairs than they do about their own country. Why am I the obsessed one? All I'm doing is pointing out what's happening. I'm just saying, isn't it odd that Ted Cruz has gone 50 posts in a row not ever mentioning his own country? You Know, that's an odd thing. I think people should be aware of that. I'm pointing it out, he's doing it and nobody cares about that. But if I point it out. Well, don't you point that out. That just sounds, seems odd to me. It seems like there's kind of a double standard here in America.
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B
Well, Tom, you and I are most concerned with matters of war and peace. And in essence, your introduction is, answered the question. We can probably just go home because literally hours after the United States attacked Iran with Israel's help or with Israel's participation, the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu gave a talk and he said this, this current correlation of forces. He didn't use that exact word, but he meant the alliance of the US And Israel. Attacking Iran is something I've dreamed about for 40 years and it's finally taking place. That's a paraphrasing of what he said, but essentially what he's saying is that I've been able to finally, after four decades, get the United States to commit the entirety of its military force to my pet project. And so anyone that says being concerned as an American, particularly as a non interventionist or even an intervention skeptic or even a realist, to put that on the table with him admitting it is certainly not being obsessed. It's just absolutely a matter of recognizing reality. Israel has been able to drag us into the war and they're not ashamed of saying it.
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Not to mention sometimes because Trump even now is kind of a loose cannon. You don't know, like even his friends don't know exactly what he's going to say. So sometimes, even when he's trying to help, he'll say the wrong thing. He'll say something he shouldn't have said. So he said, for instance, I've done so many things for Israel, like when we bombed Iran last year. Now, he wasn't supposed to put it that way, of course, he thought, oh well, they'll all be happy if I say this. But that's supposed to be kept. No, no, no. I mean, there was an equal threat to Los Angeles and New York. You know, it was not exclusively Israel. But he just flat out said, oh yeah, no, I did that for Israel. So one assumes that this conflict would likewise be the same sort of thing. I get people in my social media feed, which I guess I have not. It's not that I haven't properly curated my feed, Daniel, it's that when one of my friends comments on somebody else, I also get the somebody else that's just the way it works. So just when I think I'm trying to control my blood pressure with my Twitter feed, doesn't matter because my people are going after some of these nut jobs. So, you know, they've got this whole thing about Qatar and, you know, all that and, and they'll say, why don't you criticize such and such regime as much as you do Israel? We all know the reason. You're like Adolf Hitler, you know, like it's always that. That must be the. We have searched our brains and that is the best explanation we can come up with. Now we try in vain, as if we're arguing with people, you know, who are arguing in good faith to explain. Well, see, the US is funding Israel in particular. That makes it particularly galling. But what I also want to say is I don't know any other regime where a thousand US pastors go over there to be theologically propagandized to then come back and propagandize their, I want to say, dumbed down congregations. That's the kindest way I can put it. I don't see that happening in any other country. And I find that, I'm not going to use the effeminate word offensive, but as a patriot, I suppose I do in some way find that offensive. That's only happening there. I don't see anybody whose career was destroyed because they criticized Qatar. You know, that does not happen in America. I could go on and on and on about all these things that happen only in this one particular case. Or the fact that U.S. congressmen, maybe a hundred or more go over to Israel and get a big picture with the ruling class over there. Again, that doesn't happen anywhere else. That's humiliating. Like a normal person considers that to be a humiliation of his country. And I would just like that to stop. And then finally, it's true that probably not every critic of Israel has been denounced. A critic of the government of Israel has been denounced as an anti Semite. But let's just confine ourselves, Daniel, to the prominent ones, the prominent ones who are household names, who have been critical of the government of Israel. Are there any who have not been smeared as anti Semites? As far as I know, not a single one. Now there is no corresponding name, career destroying name you get called if you don't like Qatar. You know, so I mean, the dumb, unbelievably low IQ analogy they're trying to draw between these plays, it doesn't hold on any level. So just the handful of things that I Just came up with, off the top of my head. Explains why a patriot would find it galling what goes on in this relationship and would speak out against it.
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B
Yeah, I think there's two things happening here, Tom. I mean, on the one hand, as a father, as a Christian, as a person who values life pro life, from conception to natural death, we've all seen what Israel has done with Gaza, and we find it appalling. And that's one of the reasons why you'll probably notice over the past few years, I've become a little bit more pointedly opposed to Israel because on a personal level, I find it disgusting, just as I found disgusting the deaths of a million people in Iraq. And I spent a lot of years talking about it because of US sanctions and the US Attack on the one hand. But on the other hand, not speaking for both of us, but certainly speaking for myself, perhaps both of us, I reserve my strongest criticism, not necessarily to the government of Israel itself. As Tucker Carlson has said many times, they're just looking out for what they believe is their best interest. If they can get someone else to do their funding and fighting, hey, you know, what a good gig. But I reserve my criticism for the U.S. government, you know, for the people who have prostituted themselves for the money, for the accolades, for the power, for the trips, the power trips, what have you. I mean, that's where, really where our wrath should be, with the people who go over there. And for the price of a fun week, they'll come and they'll do the votes. Right. We all know how strong the Israel lobby is. I experienced it for over a decade on Capitol Hill, up close and personal. So the problem really is in our own government. I mean, Dr. Paul never had a problem with the Israel Lobby because they knew he wasn't swayable. And even if, you know, the Christians United for Israel would come in and visit, they would have a nice chat, but they knew not to push him. They had a friendly conversation, and Dr. Paul would make some friendly remarks and they would leave, each knowing that they weren't going to give up their principles. That's certainly true with Thomas Massie and a few of the others. So the problem, really, the smell, the stench, is really closer to home than Israel. So I think it's a way of deflecting criticism from that toxic relationship and from criticizing our part by saying, no, there's something wrong with you. You just hate Jewish people. No, I hate Congress. I hate our government for bowing down and being so easily bought.
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Yeah. And of course, this whole thing about you hate Jewish people. I mean, come on. Like, we all know nobody liked it when Jesse Jackson did that. You know, the only reason you could be against Jesse Jackson, you know, was because you hate black people. Hey, look, I got a lot of reasons to be. Hold on a minute right there, man. I got a lot of reasons to be against Jesse Jackson. Hey, everybody. Last month at my Mastermind meeting, which was held this time in the Virgin Islands, I spent some time with a guy. You need to know if you're a business owner or you're a high W2 earner paying at least 40k a year in taxes. Matthew Sersley is someone you need to meet. He's a brilliant tax attorney who loathes the IRS as much as you do. You won't have to justify yourself in front of Matthew. Oh, dear. Sir, this is why I would like to keep some more of my money, if that's okay. Matthew's one of us. He's been on my cruise. He's been at my murder mystery parties. As I mentioned, he's in my elite Mastermind. He's a regular Tom Wood show listener. You don't have to explain yourself to Matthew. You can say anything you want. And by the way, the state wants you to be intimidated, confused, not sure what you're entitled to. Well, when you got Matthew in your corner, you're not going to have any of those problems. He's going to make sure you keep everything you can. And remember, he's a tax attorney, not a cpa, so your conversations with him are protected by attorney client privilege. So whether you're running a business, doing a side hustle flipping real estate, or you're just sick of handing over half your paycheck to the Empire, Mr. Serley helps you stay smart, compliant, and legally minimize what you pay the IRS. So your next step, go to www.agorist tax advice.com woods that's a G O R I S T taxadvice.com woods and grab your free Agorist Tax toolkit. It's full of powerful tools and templates you can use to get your business in order, track your expenses, and reduce how much the IRS takes from you. Without crossing any lines, you can keep giving the regime money you don't have to give them, or you can talk to Matthew. Not a super challenging decision. Head over to agorist tax advice.com woods let me share something with you, Daniel. Maybe you saw this. I don't know. But this is something that happened to me on Twitter. X and then I actually made an issue in my newsletter out of it, because I was so blown away by it. I mean, I guess I've come to expect this kind of behavior, but even so, when it happens in the real world, it's quite shocking. Let's see if maybe Chris can put these passages on the screen as I'm reading them. But what I want to read to you, Daniel, is a. The full Twitter exchange I had with a guy I'm sure you've heard of, Professor Gad Saad in Canada.
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B
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Okay. So this is the entirety of the exchange. Anybody can go back and see for himself that I'm not leaving anything out. This is the entirety of the exchange. And I. I just want people to ask themselves, is this the behavior of a frankly normal person? So it began this way. This was shortly after the Douglas Murray, Dave Smith appearance on Joe Rogan, where Douglas Murray made quite a bit out of his alleged concern about experts, that experts were being demoted de facto in our society and personalities, media personalities. And he meant, of course, by implication, Dave Smith were being put on a pedestal that they didn't deserve. And so we need to be listening to the experts. So Gad Saad was playing off that, and he wrote, Dear Dave Smith. And of course, the point is to show that he's really smart and Dave is out of his element. So, dear Dave Smith, I'm thinking of writing a paper on the application of the evolutionary lens in generating consilience. Could you conduct a Wikipedia search on these issues and appear on TV to share your subsequently garnered expertise? Well, that unprovoked attack wasn't particularly nice. So I think, if anything, Daniel, I was fairly restrained in my response, which was, they're really all going with the Douglas Murray schtick, apparently thinking that worked out well for him. Now, was that really so bad? I mean, if you're going to post that nasty thing to Dave out of the blue, surely a mild pushback like mine is the least you ought to expect, especially on Twitter. And I promise that is all I said. I am leaving out not one word. Gad read these words, and his brain told him this was the correct response. Does Tommy have a Jew problem? I thought we were on good terms. I've done his show. Now maybe Chris can go back and put on the screen again what I had said and you can reread it. Nothing in that has anything to do with Jews at all, except Gad apparently thinks he is the representative of world Jewry. So if anybody criticizes him, and I was standing up for, by the way, a Jewish friend who'd been attacked by gad. So it took real effort for him to make this into a Jewish thing. But, but apparently I had chosen the wrong Jew to support. It's not, you know, it's not enough to support a Jew. It's got to be the correct one. So later I posted this about GAD and his refusal to debate Dave Smith. This is what I said. Understand everyone, that the absolute sole reason GAD Saad won't debate Dave Smith is that Dave lacks the proper credentials. It's not at all that Dave would embarrass the poor guy. It's not that at all. And if you think that you hate Jews, okay, and that's snarky. But you know, no more snarky than most of Twitter, right? Hateful. Come on. This is how Guys, what did you say?
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B
I was going to say check out my feed if that box.
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Well, here's how he responded. I'm unsure why this guy has found such animus toward me. I've been on his show and we had a nice chat, but I'm afraid that life is too short to willfully expose oneself to needless venom. Venom. So Tommy, I hope that you won't be upset if I block you. Good luck, Jew hater. F off. Jew hater. From that, from the, and by the way, I even said if you think so, you hate Jews. And then he walks right into that. Like that was the, I was putting out that position as something to be ridiculed and laughed at that everybody knows. Obviously you don't hate Jews for thinking that maybe GAD is afraid of Dave Smith. But then he walks right into and says Jew aider. So that's the entirety of the exchange. And GAD is not some unique case. I mean I, I, I'm not picking on him because he is particularly obnoxious. There are a lot of people who respond that way and that is obviously not in good faith. And so I don't even know Daniel, what I want you to say here, except that story was so that incident was so revealing on so many levels that he instantly made it into I'm a Jew hater because I don't think he's making a particularly good case against Dave Smith. That was his response. And now we have Mark Levin actually calling Dave Smith Adolf, which is like what a blue haired they them would say, you know, like that's the level he's at. I don't know how anybody is supporting. You're right of center and you're going to support people who Argue like the dumbest left wing lunatics on earth.
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The strange thing is, I mean, Gad Saad has a reputation of being a learned person. I mean, I mean, I was just about to say the word Mark Levine before you mentioned his name because it sounds like something that John Potter would say if you've ever had the misfortune of seeing his feet or Mark Levine or any of these people, these. But Tom, these are all boomers who are living in a different generation. You know, this generation is passing this. It no longer has the sting that it once had. And that's fortunate and unfortunate because now people that genuinely do hate Jews or Jewish people are not getting the sting that they probably deserve when they say something that's way out of bounds. But for people like us who don't hate Jewish people, it's not a career ending injury as it once was in the past. So it's a two edged sword. But at the same time, if I can say, especially with regard to Dave Smith, I mean, I think to a degree there is an amount of jealousy when it comes to people like Murray and Saad. Because here's Dave Smith who doesn't pretend to be have five PhDs from Ivy League schools. You know, he doesn't pretend to have written, you know, 8 million word tomes on the history of what have you. But what he does do is he consumes a lot of information and he is excellent at, at articulating it in a way that appeals to the masses. And intellectuals, with very rare exceptions, cannot do that. I think they're jealous of Dave. They feel embarrassed and jealous because when they put something out, it's badly articulated in sort of an academic language. Whereas Dave speaks to people in a way they understand it and that's an amazing gift. And that's why Dave has gone from relative obscurity. Just a few years ago, I remember when very few people knew he was out there to now being basically almost a household name because of that skill. Just imagine if he had spent all this time reading these ridiculous boring books instead of learning how to communicate with people. He would not be anywhere near as effective as he is.
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You know, Daniel, I have always hesitated to attribute base motives like that to people I disagree with. You know, and I, I think I've been generous to a fault in that way. Because the fact is some people are motivated by base motives. You know, I mean, the human race is fallen, Daniel, and that is one of our unfortunate characteristics, is that sometimes we are motivated by envy and resentment and anger and all that for Some reason I always just rule those out. But I shouldn't rule them out, especially in Dave's case. They'll always go on with, oh, he's a failed comedian. Whatever. I'd love to be as failed a comedian as Dave is. I've gone to his shows, they're sold out. The crowd goes absolutely crazy. I mean, they would crawl over broken glass for this guy. And it's none of the world's business, but let's just say Dave's doing really well. I'll just put it that way. Dave's doing really well. Like, we would all want to be as failed a comedian as Dave, but they just don't know exactly what to do or say.
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B
I mean, that's a baptism of fire. Can you imagine? And for me, it's the thought of. It's terrifying. Well, you're more of a natural. But can you imagine going up in front of a room full of people and realizing you have to make them laugh? I mean.
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Yeah.
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And when you're successful and they do laugh, well, that's something tremendous. I mean, talk about great preparation for being the kind of communicator that he's ended up being. I mean, that's a hell of a way to go. I mean, that is a great way to go.
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You know, it's funny. I do a lot of. Well, I don't do as much public speaking now as I used to. That's by choice. I. I just like to be either home with the family or traveling with the family to do fun things together. But I would get up in front of an audience and feel completely at ease. And part of that wasn't because I'd been a comedian, but because I. I did have a lot of stage experience. I. I'd been in a lot of plays by the time I became a public speaker. To me, what. What used to be nerves and stage fright became an exhilarating feeling. Like I'm. I'm just about to go out there and anything could go wrong. One of the other actors could forget his lines. Like, we don't know what's going to happen. But that's what kind of made it fun. And so going up and speaking in front of these big audiences and thinking, you know, I could completely draw a blank up there is, in a way, makes it all the more exciting when you get up there. You do. You do sort of nail it. Let me mention. Let's see. By the time this comes out, I don't know if it'll be too late. I should say that this very weekend, the March 5th through the 8th. So there'll still be time to attend at least part of it. If you're in New Hampshire, I'll be at the New Hampshire Liberty Forum as will Scott Horton. So check that out NHLibertyForum.com and attend that. Those are good people doing good things and it's a kind of a demoralizing time right now. And it's a good time, I think, for a bunch of like minded people to spend some time together. So do check that out if you like. How much contact does your office have with Congressman Massey?
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Well, he's on our board, which is great. And one of the reasons he's on the board is when we launched the Ron Paul Institute back in 2013, he crashed the party. As a person who had just spent a couple of weeks on Capitol Hill as a newly elected member of Congress, I remember Dr. Paul telling me afterward, kind of laughing, saying, this is really not the best way to launch a great career on Capitol Hill to come to this event. But a couple years later we invited him to join and graciously he's joined. But these days, I'll be honest with you, I think he's really, really busy. Yeah, sometimes I'll hear a response. I congratulated him on his marriage to someone who I've known for a while and admired and he responded to that as well. But can you imagine, I mean, when Dr. Paul was on the Hill, we had a good core group of about 15 Republican members. Now they all, they didn't always vote well, but when we had our Thursday lunches, they would come and they would sit in Dr. Paul's office, you know, all about this time.
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I spoke to one of those lunches.
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B
You did? Yeah, at one. They were like minded and they were friendly and they developed this, I can imagine with Massie, with all the animosity, artificial animosity toward him generated by our president for one, that it must be an absolutely lonely battle out there and he's got forest fires everywhere and he's single handedly with a few people helping him out, been able to expose how corrupt our government is and how corrupt the ruling elite class is. So it's pretty tremendous. I mean, I would, I would hate to be him. Although I will say, Tom, if I may, since he has gotten married, maybe it's Carolyn's doing, but he's kind of spruced up. He's looking good. The beard is looking nice. He looks, you know, so don't ever underestimate what a proper woman can do for a man.
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Yeah, no kidding. No kidding. I have a couple of. Maybe it's more, but I, I'm aware of a couple of U.S. congressmen who read my email newsletter. If you're not getting my email newsletter, people go to tomwoods.com it's right at the top. Just click right at the top. You should be getting that because it's better than the show in some ways, depending on the day, because I. It's how woods feels when he rolls out of bed in the morning that's very different from the feeling I have later in the day when I do the show. But, but anyway, I have a couple of congressmen who are reading and I think, well, that's great. I mean, I'm happy about that. But are they publicly, like, are they afraid to speak up in favor of Massey? I guess everybody is. In the current situation, I think Dr. Paul was viewed as being so out of step, like talking about the gold standard in, you know, the 1980s and 90s just seemed like so removed that, you know, big deal. You know, his being against the war in Iraq was a bigger deal. But I guess they figured, well, it's a small handful of people, it's not going to be a make a big difference. And so people could say, well, you know, I Personally, I like Dr. Paul, I don't agree with him a lot, but he's a, you know, he's a good man who's principled. I think in the current environment, people don't want to say that about Thomas Massie.
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B
Yeah, yeah, they've been able to turn him into a lightning rod. I mean to a lesser degree, Senator Paul, but certainly Thomas Massey, they've been able to turn him into a lightning rod, which is the case and which must be very stressful. But you know, Dr. Paul, he has a unique ability, unique characteristic of disarming people who would impugn evil motives on his positions. And we were chatting in the studio the other day, kind of laughing when he ran for the ill fated Senate run, I think. Or no, no, he has come back run in 96 to the house and they put out some commercials down here in, in his district showing people taking cocaine and saying Ron Paul wants you to take cocaine. And we just laughed over. Because everyone laughed over it. Are you kidding? We know Ron Paul, he first of all, he delivered my kids. And second of all, I know he doesn't want people to take cocaine.
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A
He's the most square guy you've ever met in your life.
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B
Exactly.
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A
Yeah. So yeah, I guess it was in the middle of the night. So whenever it was that you found out that the Iran operation had begun, did you call Dr. Paul?
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B
But he called me, which was really surprising because I don't usually call him on the weekends. I started diving into my telegram and I just started because I want to know, like, at a granular level what's going on. I don't want to know what the talking heads are saying. So I dove way, way deep in for a deep dive. And he called me in. I don't think I'm betraying his confidence when I say he was so mad. He was spitting nails. I never heard him so mad. This is maybe the worst thing we've ever done in our history. And he even said it on the show today, if I'm not mistaken, or maybe it was before or not today on Monday. Sorry, because this comes out a little later on Monday. He said, I think this is more dangerous than the Cuban Missile crisis, which is interesting. But he has been extremely, extremely affected by this. He's very, very upset about it.
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A
And to see people I thought were sensible saying things like, why are you against freeing the Iranians? And I. And I feel like you have no idea how sinister these people are. If you think that this is about, quote, freeing the Iranians. You have no idea what is actually happening here.
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B
Ask the Libyans about the freedom or the Syrians. The Syrians are ruled by Al Qaeda right now. That's the freedom they get.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Christians there have been slaughtered since the, the end of Assad. Regardless of whether you think he's a saint or not, Christians are slain by him. So that's the kind of freedom. And I mean, as Dr. Paul said in his column this week, the knuckleheads that run our government thought if they just got rid of the, the ayatollah and a few of the top leadership, Iranians would rush into the streets and be ready to be just like us. Well, they rushed into the streets, yeah. But they rushed to mourn their slain leader like we would do, like we did after 911 is how he put it, you know, and that's talk about just not being able to understand human nature at a very, very basic level.
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You know, just the other day when I had Scott and the other gentleman on Brandon and John, I was pointing out that we got this story early on that the attack on Iran was preemptive because they were just on the verge of launching an attack on US Bases, which, by the way, would make no sense. They would have zero motivation to do this. And so I, I immediately said. I said on the, on the episode, I said, there is a zero chance that that's a true statement. Zero. That story didn't last one day, Daniel. Not one day. It came out that, yeah, that was B.S. that's made up. There was no. There's no evidence.
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B
And who refuted it? I mean, here's the remarkable part, Tom. It was refuted by the Pentagon itself.
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A
Yes. Right.
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B
The White House said, well, we had to do what they were about to attack us. The Pentagon said, nope, they weren't. I mean, I. I have never seen anything like that. I mean, it reminds me of the days back, right after Reagan was shot. You know, I forget the exact details, but I'm in charge. No, I am. You know.
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Yeah.
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Remember with George Schultz and, and Cap Weinberger? I mean, this is the level that we're at right now. You know, it's amazing.
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A
But what. Do you think that means something, Daniel? That they would contradict him like that?
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They don't. Nobody knows what they're doing. And there are implications too, to this. The Pentagon is not going to allow itself to take the hits for this.
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A
Right.
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B
They tried to signal in the best way that they could through Kane, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. He did try to signal that this is not a good idea. I cannot guarantee success. He didn't come out publicly and do it, which he could have done. It would have had a bigger impact, but he certainly it was leaked by someone that the Pentagon is not confident in this plan whatsoever and they're not going to let themselves take the heat for what the White House, pushed by the likes of Lindsey Graham, decides to do.
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Well, I think, you know, our foreign policy is ill served by the forced fealty to Israel. I had the great fortune while I was working for Dr. Paul on the Hill to have a group of acquaintances, most of which were past retirement, a couple very close to retirement, older people from the State Department who were doing things like compiling the State Department's then yearly human rights survey of the world. And there used to be a real diversity of opinions there. It wasn't whether or not you support Israel. There were Arabists there, there were intellectuals there. In this group that I would have lunch with were people that very objectively looked out in terms of America's interest. That sort of thing doesn't exist anymore in the State Department. The institutions have been run through by people who demand that you have one perspective. And if not, we've seen purges in the Trump administration already and there have been a few in the Pentagon. We just saw a colonel be kicked out of the Pentagon for saying something a little bit slightly critical of our relationship with Israel. So that's what happens. You don't have anyone left there from that old school of being simply. I mean, you may listen to Alistair Crook as one of my favorite commentators. I've listened to him for many, many years, who's now gotten quite a bit of prominence on Judge Napolitano show, what have you. But he is like that old guard. He reads the Hebrew press in Hebrew. He's lived there, he spent time there. So they're not cheerleaders for one side or the other. They're people have a broad understanding of the region. Well, that's lacking for the most part these days.
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Did you happen to see that clip that has resurfaced that I hadn't seen the first time in which I don't know who the third person is, but it's Pat Buchanan talking to Barry Goldwater. Barry Goldwater, the father, not the congressman's son. And it was a clip in which they're talking about the relationship with Israel. And Goldwater is very firm and in effect says every time Israel says jump, the US Government says how high? And I feel like there is absolutely no way that this is a good thing for the United States. And he was absolutely on the same wavelength with Buchanan on that. And I hadn't known that about Goldwater.
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And he's Jewish.
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And he's Jewish. He certainly has some, some Jewishness in his family. I don't know if it counts. I don't know how that all works. But yeah, that was a surprise to me to see him because he is still the, in a way, one of the godfathers of the whole movement, for heaven's sake. And we know how another godfather movement, Russell Kirk, felt because he made that comment at the Heritage foundation once, back when the Heritage foundation didn't really allow comments like this. Maybe they still don't. But he said something like, some of our politicians seem to think that our capital is in Tel Aviv or something like that. I don't know if you remember him saying that. That was Russell Kirk, the architect of the whole thing.
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Yeah. You know, who was quietly purged.
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Yeah. Who was a Buchananite toward the end of his life. He was a Buchanan. I think he had a fundraiser at his home for Pat.
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Well, it doesn't serve us well. And this is all ending, Tom. That's, you know, the good news in a way. I mean, the younger generation of people don't have these, these old views that the Mark Levines of the world have. And the problem is, I mean, you take away their means of communicating these things in a rational way and they'll start being more irrational. You know, you can shut down tick tock, you can ban and purge people, you can kick them out of the colleges, but, you know, these ideas can't be tramped down. People are questioning, why are we subjugating our own national interest to another country, to a foreign country. It's a natural question.
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And you would think that if there were a good answer to that question, a really, really good answer, that a good faith person could accept that that would be the universal response, that answer. Instead, the response has been what I call the Zionist charm offensive, where instead of responding like that, they condemn you, they call you names, they try to make you unemployable, they scream Hitler at you. I mean, they again, they act like the very leftists they supposedly oppose and then they turn around and call you woke. They say you're woke. Right. These people are the most woke people I actually interact with. I don't interact with blue haired. They thems very much, but I do interact with a lot of neocons and they've got every characteristic of the woke imaginable. If you disagree with me, that means you hate me. You must hate me. You must be like Hitler. I mean, come. I mean, are we to be spared nothing, as Ralph Rako would say? Absolutely, absolutely. So tell me what is up over at the Ron Paul Institute these days? And are you Going to have your annual conference later on this year in the summer.
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Yeah, we've got something coming up even sooner, actually. April 25th, here in Lake Jackson. We're doing our spring conference. And I've been thinking, I ponder what the theme is going to be. And then all of a sudden, Saturday, I thought, I've got an idea. Boom. Who do I want to have come speak? What do I want it to feel like? And not that it'll be exclusively about this war, but we certainly will have some people who I, you know, who I believe can explain it in a way that we need to understand it. So, yeah, April 25th down here in Lake Jackson. We're about an hour south of Houston. It'll be at the college, I think. You've been out down here.
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Oh, sure. Yeah.
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It's very nice venue. Yeah, it's nice this time of year down here. So it's always a fun1. The DC one is great. It's very hectic. And that, by the way, here's breaking news on the Tom woods show that will be on the Labor Day weekend. We had it on there for a few years. We moved it a little bit earlier last year. We decided to move it back toward Labor Day. So it'll be the Labor Day weekend this year as well. In D.C. or I should say outside of D.C. you don't have to go into town.
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Yeah. Okay. So Ron Paulinstitute.org if they go there, they're going to see somewhere on the site how to get to one or both of these. Maybe the second one isn't up yet, but.
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Yeah, the second one's not up. I'm going to get the first one up here. Probably later today, if not tomorrow.
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Okay. All right. So by the time people hear this, that will be up. Yes. And you can, you can go. I mean, these are great events and they always pick top notch people and you're going to feel edified. And again, as I said with the New Hampshire Liberty Forum, we shouldn't fail to acknowledge the value of, you know, I know this sounds kind of a fellowship, let's just say, you know, at a time like this, especially when people you sometimes you thought you could count on are getting snookered. And if I forget, your next door neighbor, you know, probably your next door neighbor is hopeless, but you can be surrounded by people who remind you, no, wait a minute. The human race is not entirely reprobate. You know, like there is, there's a handful, there's a remnant. You can hang around with a remnant
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that's exactly it, Tom. And that's one of the reasons. I mean, we could easily do, like, zoom. We could easily have, like, you know, pay extra to watch it live and make a lot of money. But I really don't want to do that. I feel like you do. We have to physically be in the same room. We have to get to know each other and realize that we are human beings and we share a lot more than just what may be apparent on the surface. So I'm a firm believer on people physically getting together, and that's why we do them the way we do.
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You know, Daniel, I can't help mentioning this, but one of my friends just said this. We've got now people who are going to go along with the official line to the point where they're going to try to say that when the US Government takes out a head of state, that that's not a war. You know, even though if it happened to the US it would absolutely be a war. That's not a war. Why is it not a war? Because the ruling class told me it's not a war. And it's my job to echo what the ruling class says. I mean, it's just incredible that somebody could have so little dignity as to be reduced to that. But the other side of that coin is, okay, Iran doesn't like the US but never actually bombs the US it never takes out a head of state. But that, Daniel, that's a war. That's a forever war that's been going on since 1979. Isn't there some point at which you say, that's embarrassing? And I can't possibly repeat that. And this one I have to sit out or denounce, but I cannot repeat such transparently obvious propaganda. And by the way, there'll be some people who, because I just said that, will say, wait a minute. Does that mean you love the Iranian regime? It's like they can't. They're stuck in some kind of simulation or so. I don't know, but it's like I'd like them to see the real world again because it bears no connection to whatever it is they're experiencing.
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Yeah, it's very superficial and two dimensional. You know, the state has told you you need to hate the Ayatollah, so you have to do it. The same thing with Saddam. And I've talked about this, Tom. You know this. The Lew Rockwell rule, which is never demonize any leader or country that our regime wants to be demonized because they shouldn't do their work for Them. And a lot of people will say this, well, I. I know that he's a monster, but we shouldn't overthrow. No, no, don't use their language because you're helping to grease the wheels of the war machine. Propaganda is the first wave that gets the war machine going. So I never. I will never do that. You know, I'll never participate in such a thing.
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I keep trying to explain to people, you know, look, the instinct to fix the world's problems is not a conservative one at all. That's not to say that we don't wish people well, Daniel. Or that we wouldn't contribute to a good cause that might have some good effect somewhere, but that really maybe other people just aren't as busy as I am. But I feel like I have enough concerns in my immediate circle that as much as I wish the people of Iran the absolute best, Iran is not even in my top 10,000 concerns. And I feel like if it's in yours, there's something wrong with you. Why is Iran, of all possible things in your life to devote energy to,
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think about the worst busybody in your neighborhood. That's what it's like. Who the hell are you to tell them how they should live or what makes them happy? It's none of your business. You have no idea what their history is. You can't even find it on the map yet, you know, they want to be exactly like us. It's absurd. And, you know, I mean, I make mistakes too, you know, Tom, and, and, And I'm embarrassed to admit I've done it in several interviews. I honestly didn't real. I had not realized that Iranian women are not compelled to cover their heads. I had always been told this and they would be beat up. And of course, that may have been true at some point, but that's all gone now. I saw video back in June, in the June war, of Iranian women in Tehran. They look just like their Western counterparts. Well, not as bad as some of our young ladies here, but they look just like, you know, regular people. We'd recognize. They don't want us to see those kinds of things. We want to see them look like, ironically, our Saudi friends, how they treat women with a little. Little slit open and everything else covered, you know, with those guys are fine. They treat women well. But in Iran, when they were able to run around as normal, well, that's being repressed.
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I just go on the assumption that since politics brings out the worst in people, that probably all the ruling classes everywhere are terrible. And I wouldn't want to live under any of them. I just take that for granted as an assumption based on what I know about politics. So that's uninteresting to me to say, I'm sure the government of Canada is terrible, but that's not even remotely anything I can wrap my head around, because I have enough. I mean, I got an email the other day, Daniel. I sent out an email about a family. There's a whole substack dedicated to families like this of basically conservative people, one of whose children becomes trans. And these people are just. They're heartbroken, and they can't even put into words how heartbroken they are. And I had a subscriber respond to that email by saying, this happened to us. We raised our son in the best way we could. You know, we lived in the countryside. We raised him in a good conservative church. I stayed home with him. We showed him immense amount of love. And suddenly this happened. It took control of him. And now he is like a parody of himself. Like, he's ordering me not to call him by the name that I lovingly chose for him, because that's his dead name. And he's bought into the whole propaganda. And I think even in this country, even in the most conservative environment, when you try your best in the most conservative setup, that's the most favorable one you could have. The enemy can invade even there. I don't give a. You know, what. What's going on in Canada or whatever else. I can't possibly expend any mental energy on that while this is happening in my own country. That is the way I look at it. In the abstract, I have nothing but goodwill toward all mankind. But in the specific, I have to focus on the atrocities happening here, because that is an atrocity. And there are so many cases of it, Daniel, of families that are grieving, grieving over what leftism has done to them. The Middle east can figure out its own blankety bank problems. You know, forget it. We have these problems.
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Well, at the risk of becoming theocratic myself, I mean, this leftism that you're describing comes from the devil, you know, and the devil would obviously target a family like that more than they would target some family that already is practicing all of these sorts of things. That's a big win in the devil's ledger when he can rip these families apart. You know, demonic possession and the devil is real, and we're seeing it, I think, more and more every day. That's one of the things that came out for me with all of this Epstein stuff, is how real the devil is and how real evil is in this world.
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You know, this is probably going to seem silly to some people, but, well, so be it. Nicholas Cage did a movie that got terrible reviews probably about 30 years ago called 8 millimeter. And the premise of the movie is that a very, very wealthy man has just died, and his widow discovers in his vault a snuff film. It appears to be a woman being violated and then murdered.
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I saw that.
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Yeah, yeah. And so she wants to know if it's real or is it just an actor? And so Nicolas Cage, who has some kind of law enforcement background, is gonna go find this out. And he discovers that it is real. And even though the movie got bad reviews, there's a moment in there that 30 years on, I still remember, because he confronts the man who I guess is the executor of the estate. And the executor of the estate says, so you want to know why he did it? I'll tell you why he did it, because he could. That has haunted me, Daniel, because I think a lot of these politicians who are involved in things we don't even know about are doing it because they can and because it thrills them that unbeknownst to us, you know, they're able to get away with stuff like this, you know, and it reminds them how much power they have, that they can do the worst things imaginable. So, geez, Daniel, what a way to end this episode. I mean, come on here.
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We need Dr. Paul in here to give us a positive thing.
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Geez. I know. Let's get him on the phone.
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We need a white pill, please, Dr. Paul, give us a prescription.
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I know, I know.
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I.
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That is always something I admired about him. Even though, as you say, he was unusually angry on the phone with you. One thing I've admired about him is that he really does. He really is a stoic in the sense that he is in control of his emotions. And he, even in the face of terrible evil, has a great equanimity about him. And I don't always have that, and I don't either. I could stand. Like I could stand to have it. And incidentally, there's nothing wrong with righteous anger. There's. Some Christians think that you can't ever be angry, but you should be angry at evil when you have that feeling in you that is your conscience telling you that some injustice has occurred and you should feel that way. It's just a question of do you let it control you or do you let your reason take over and decide how you're going to respond.
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Absolutely. And the examples from Jesus himself, you know, the gospel on the first Sunday of Lent, you know, when he says to the devil, you know, don't tempt the Lord, your God.
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Yeah. Yeah, that's right. All right, Daniel ronpaulinstitute.org I love you guys. I love what you're doing. I admire you very much. Easiest thing in the world for you guys would be to sell out and go along with stuff and. But it would never dawn on you, no matter what power or amount of money was dangled in front of Daniel McAdams, he would never, ever betray our cause. And, you know, that's unfortunately a very rare quality these days. Thank you, Daniel.
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Thank you so much, Tom. Very kind of you.
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