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Get ready to take a flamethrower to
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the official narrative and learn what the
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elites don't want you to know. You're listening to the Tom Woods Show.
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Hey, everybody, Tom woods here, you know, it's Dave Smith with me, host of part of the Problem debater extraordinaire. He's on every show in the history of the world, usually many, many times, and just turned 40 something the other day. So belated happy birthday to old Dave. As somebody who's on the other side of 50, I'll tell you, it's actually about the same. I probably would have been terrified to be my age when I was younger, but it turns out I feel more or less the same. But I want to start off with something that you were absolutely not expecting me to start off with. Okay, I want to put up on the screen and I'll read to you, Dave, a post by, of all people, somebody I. If I've ever mentioned this person before, I regret it. It was by mistake. It was a terrible judgment on my part. But I want to read you something posted the other day by Laura Loomer. Okay? For anybody who has gone through life without getting to know her, good for you. You enjoy a more tranquil life than the rest of us. But I'm not here to diagnose Laura Loomer mentally, and I'm not here to mock her for past struggles with mental illness. That's not what this is about. I want to just read this to you because it's an attack on Candace Owens. And I know people will hear what I'm reading and say, well, but Candace Owens did, you know, thus and so. And. But, you know, even if Candace Owens did thus and so, we peer into the soul of a person when she posts something like this. So I'm going to read this to you. It goes like this. And I'm gonna read Candace's name instead of her Twitter handle. But God hates you, Candace Owens. It's why he gave Charlie to Erica and why you didn't even get to say goodbye to him. God hates you. Look in the mirror and internalize how much God hates you. We all hate you. Humanity hates you, and you are irredeemable. Now, that was just posted, and I feel like now I can understand people saying, that's dumb gossip. And why are you even bothering to talk about it? There is a good reason to talk about it, which I'll get to in a minute, but that's not a happy person. Then she went on to say later on that by the time she's done with Candace. Candace will probably wind up getting divorced. So she's delighting in splitting up a family and having Candace's children grow up in a broken home. Like, that's not normal behavior. And so Roger Stone, who is very much on Trump's side, everybody knows that, has taken to Twitter to denounce her. He calls her a narcissistic maniac and a psychopath. So to anybody watching who still believes Trump can never be criticized, Trump, who loves Laura Loomer, can never be criticized. Let me just say you are officially allowed to criticize Laura Loomer, because Roger Stone does it, got away with it. So even you, even the Trump can do no wrong. People, even you, are allowed to criticize Laura Loomer. I'm not following the back and forth between her and Candace because I'm busy and it just doesn't interest me. But did you happen to see any of this? Did you see that post?
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I just, I saw that one post. Yeah, I saw a couple of them yesterday and that they were going back and forth and then I just. I don't know, man. What can you say about it? There's something. There's a profound darkness to anyone who would post that publicly, like me and you, I'm not trying to say, like, we're not above getting into some Twitter wars every now and then or trash and people are dunking on each other and know there's probably even me and you could admit, as people who have participated in some of that. There's too much of that, you know, and it's not good. It's corrosive. We probably, there's probably been a time or two where me and you should have taken the high road, but didn't take the high road.
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Comments will get all kinds of examples. And I, I. You had in hand asking your apology.
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Yes, I forgive. I'm. Yes, sure. But I am sorry. I have. I just cannot fathom any. My worst enemy, the person I hate the most. I can't even fathom privately saying that, but publicly, just like there's. So that you, you speak for God now, aren't you're not scared to play with that. But it's just something about as, As a human, you're not like, a little bit scared to play with that energy of condemning something, saying that God hates wishing a family with young children be split up? No, look, it's a window into a real darkness, you know, because with a lot of this stuff, like, I'm, I'm sorry, I just, I don't I'm not going to watch Ashley Sinclair put on her makeup as she spills the tea on, like, her former lover or something like that. Like, I didn't. I got into this because I like reading books by Hans Herman. Hop up. Like, I'm not interested in, like, childish gossip. Like, that's just not what really motivated me. And that, you know, so it's like, I just tried my best to stay away from that world. In the example of Laura Loomer, you know, is just like, number one, this was actually close to the administration. Like, that's the thing that makes it, like, really, like, whoa. And. And I think with a lot of this stuff, even, like, things like with the Epstein files, you just. You get a bit of a window into, like, how that world actually works and who are the people who actually network and get in that world. And let's just say, as you said, without making fun of anybody's mental illness, like, there's some very, very sick people who get very close to power. And yeah, there's something really ugly about getting a glimpse into that world, which I am glad to stay out of. And that is, I, like me and you, I like that we get to get in front of a camera and a microphone, like, in our home, a fair distance away from whatever any of that world is.
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Right. I mean, that world consists of people like Laura Loomer saying things to people like, if you don't support the President on such and such issue, you'll never again be invited to Mar A Lago. And I think, right, so who lives his life that way? It's just pathetic. So, yeah, so the reason I mentioned this, and by the way, this morning, I saw this, this morning, I was out. I always go out and have breakfast in the morning by myself. It's where I write my newsletter in the morning. And I. So I wrote to. I texted my wife, I sent her that tweet, and I said, do you think I would be trivializing mental illness if I suggested that Laura Loomer has some kind of mental illness? She said, you would be trivializing normal life if you didn't. So. So I went ahead and did it.
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But the thing is, you got a good wife there, Tom.
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Oh, she's the best, right? I mean, she's. She's like Lauren Smith, really. She's really just the best.
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We both. We both got lucky.
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Oh, absolutely. Totally. But the reason I bring this up, because, you know, as you say, I. I don't care about any of this stuff. The fact is, after Trump Started the war against Iran. She was one of the first people he called to bask in her praise because he likes being flattered and he will certainly get that from her. We have her saying, you know, that she talks to him very regularly. We hear from inside the White House. They're trying to keep her away from him because everybody else realizes that she's a nutcase. She went in, I guess last year to him with like a dossier of bunch of people she thought were disloyal. And then suddenly some people were fired. It's wild that this woman who, in fact my wife sent follow up texts to me and said she's having a complete meltdown on that platform. Like it's disturbing to watch. Like, this is beyond just sad slash depressed mental illness. Like, this is really, really bad. And this is the woman whom the President has unbelievable praise for. I mean, all the time prays for her and highlights her and like that's a.
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Well look. Yeah. And even, you know, if you look at the behavior and I saw he was, he was going after you and me and, and like Liam McCollum, he was going after also Mark Levin.
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Which there is something about, I don't know, maybe this is what, getting older and having more gray in my beard and being on the wrong side of 40 and that number keeps going up or whatever. But there is a certain point where like you just have a thing, it's like a generational thing where like Mark Levin was like, you know, he's like taking on me and you and like whatever, getting ratioed and embarrassing himself. Then he goes after Liam and you're like, hey, you stay away from the boy. You leave the boy out of this.
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Okay?
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That's our sweet. That's our sweet young Liam. You do not. Liam McCollum's great, by the way. Everyone should go follow him if you don't. We love that guy.
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Loves him.
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Yeah, yeah, he's. But anyway. But Mark Levin is literally like, he's, it's almost like feels like he's having an episode. Like he is like, I know people use the term a lot that he is crashing out on Twitter. Just you're watching like an 80 year old man tweeting like these nasty things, these tirades and these people seem like very disturbed people. That's how it appears. But they're in the broader picture here. The role that they're playing is that they're like the attack dogs of all the dissidents. So their job is to go out and like smear anybody who dare criticize this thing. And, you know, with the Candace Owens stuff, it's like they try to make it about her criticism of Erica Kirk or that she's, like, putting together conspiracies and she's way out over her skis and she's making these claims, but she can't back it up. But the thing is that for people who have a memory more than 15 minutes ago, we all know you were already coming at her like this way before she ever talked about Erica Kirk or any of this. It's so clearly. No, the issue was that she turned on support of Israel. That was the issue. That's what she got fired from the Daily Wire for. That's what they all decided. She's a huge anti Semite for opposing Israel's destruction of Gaza. So, anyway, I just. I think you kind of recognize it. Like, that's what the game is here. That's the role that these people serve, is to attempt to character assassinate anybody who. But almost I, and, you know, me and you have kind of been watching this dynamic together since our friendship. You know, we've watched, like, it used to be a world where that worked. I mean, that was like when I found you. And the whole, like, whatever you want to call it, the whole Ron Paulian libertarian camp, they were a movement that had essentially been character assassinated and driven out of polite society. Like, we hung out in Auburn at the Mises Institute because, like, this is the only place that'll have us. I don't know, like, there's nowhere else. We're not. Not invited to any of the other things. And like, that was the world. But that doesn't work anymore because of the new decentralized, you know, media environment. So now it's almost like they had to level up the character. Like, the only tool that they knew that worked is character assassination. So then as it stopped working, they would just be like, well, we have to go even crazier over the top with our assessment of. Of this. It's not just that. It's not like, you know, back in the day, they would say, you know, when David Frum wrote that piece, unpatriotic Conservatives in National Review, bashing all our favorite people. Like, it was bashing Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan, Lou Rockwell and Justin Raimondo and all those guys. And even back then, if you remember, as I'm sure you do, well, there was dudes Unpatriotic was like, ooh, that burns. Like, that was like to call Pat Buchanan or Lou Rockwell unpatriotic. Like, those are like serious, very personally conservative men who grew up in a time where like, yo. To call someone unpatriotic was like a real feel, you know. Now, Pat Buchanan, I remember, as much as I love him, I always remember thinking, this was so weird, at least to me in my, you know, New York City, Jewish, raised by a single mother, sensibilities. Remember he was furious that Obama took his jacket off in the Oval Office. And there was like a picture of Barack Obama just in a shirt and tie.
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That is such an old school critique.
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Pat Buchanan was furious about that. And I remember being like, pat, dude. Like, I just finished reading one of his books, like, one of the greatest books I've ever read. I'm like, yo, you're so. There's so many things here to criticize, like, who can? But that's the type of men they were like, Lou Rockwell is a guy like that. Like, a guy who would. Cared about, like, manners and chivalry and like, these old kind of bourgeois norms. And, you know, so calling him unpatriotic was like a real low blow. But now, you know, Mark Levin isn't saying, you know, I think Tom woods and Dave Smith are unpatriotic. He's like, you Islamo Nazi scum or, you know, whatever. Like, it's just this unhinged rant. And so I don't know. I don't even know where I'm going with all of this, but it's interesting to watch them all crashing out, watching like it was never. David Frum, never would have been so undignified in the way he was smearing people. You know what I mean? Like, even though he was doing the same thing, he was playing the same role, but the wheels have just, like, come off of this thing now, and it's a very strange time to be alive.
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Well, it was also, I guess, one of the things that. And I remember thinking about this after, in the fallout of my debate with Douglas Murray on Rogan's show, where I thought there was just such a strange dynamic where if you just think about, like, the context of COVID and who Joe Rogan was during that, like the role that he played during COVID but, you know, no one better to understand this stuff than. Than you. The guy who was like the best guy on Covid through the whole thing and wrote the best book on it. So Douglas Murray comes in to that debate and starts with this appeal to the expert class and how we ought to be listening to them. There's almost like a moment where you're like, dude, you are aware that we all just decided to reject that.
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Like, you.
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You just couldn't be coming into a more house. And so in the same way, like you say Rachel Maddow did, it's like we all just decided to reject Wokeism. That was almost like the closest to a political consensus of anything in my lifetime was that the 2024 election, if nothing else, it did represent a total rejection of this thing where you just get to shut down all of your opponents by calling them names. Like, we have all moved out. And then the Israel lobby just essentially decided we're going to play that game again. And that is part of the reason why it's being rejected in the marketplace so much, just falling flat on its face. It's too ridiculous. And I say, you know, I was just playing today on my show, we responded to Sam Harris some rant about how Joe Rogan is spreading misinformation. And you're like, really? You're going to sit here. You're the guy who's too chicken to go debate anyone on the subject, even though it's been offered many times. But you'll just refuse the debate, but label it all as misinformation. Like, that's your play here. That's what you're left with. All right, how do you think this is going to work? That part to me is still a bit of a mystery. Like, how, why. Why would you do that? Like, if you're Douglas Murray, just don't show up for the debate. Just don't debate.
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Right.
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You would have been better off doing that than coming in and going about it this way, which is guaranteed to lose. Like, and. But I Don't know. Yeah, they're addicted to it. In some strange way.
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They cannot help themselves. We all know this line of argument isn't going to go anywhere. And then they act like left wing scolds who get upset if certain topics come up. Well, wait a minute. You can talk about World War II, but not that way because we've already decided. That's already been decided. Okay, we've, we've already decided all these questions, but you know what? Screw you, because you don't get to say that. Oh, everything's already been decided. All you can do is just, is, is just argue around the edges. We will graciously grant you that. But, but you know what? No, you know, I think the whole history of the 20th century is due for a radical, dare I say the forbidden word. Forbidden word. Revision. But it, and, and I've, I've. I keep saying, Dave, some enterprising young puckish scholar could write a best selling book called the Secret history of the 21st century. I don't know what would be in it, but I would read that. I would, I would love to read that.
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No, you're right.
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Before I turn it back over to you though, I want to share something that I. Look, I, I can admit when I am a little juvenile, you know, I can admit that I look back because I, I, at least one of my kids is on X and I know sees my feed and I. There are times, Dave, when I think, and this will happen to you as your kids get older. Oh, this sick burn. Is it worth my kids seeing it?
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Yeah.
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See me like this, right? Usually the answer is yes. I'll explain it away later, but I can't resist. But, but anyway, so one of the times Mark, now Mark Levin and I had a, an argument years and years and years ago because he was defending Barack Obama's intervention in Libya. And I took the position that no, a conservative shouldn't be doing that, you know, So I argued against him. Then after that, we didn't interact at all. And then suddenly he comes after me. Now he, on paper is much bigger than I am. There's no reason for him to come after me. But he, it was just that it was all dumb, like there were no actual arguments. But I thought, wait a minute, you know what? I have a funny feeling that Levin the boomer probably doesn't monitor the threads. You know, it's a hit and run. He'll post about you and then he's on to the next thing. So I thought, all right, well, I'm going to play around in his little sandbox here. So I showed up and I said, hey, anybody, if you'd actually like to learn about me, here's the link. And I linked them to Tom woods.com and I got hundreds of hundreds of link clicks on that for free. Free traffic to the things I do. But then, Dave, I thought, I'm off my game. That was child's play. I gotta monetize this thread in which Levin makes fun of me. So I go back over there and I said, by the way, I have, you know, it's probably too right wing for Levin, but I have a site with revisionist courses in history, economics, all the stuff they kept from you. And we're going to use coupon code. Levin, you can get 30% off. And I posted libertyclassroom.com and I actually generated revenue out of that, Dave. Now, I know, I know there are people who will say, woods, you know, you are above that. You're better than that. But I don't know, is there anything more satisfying than I actually made money off this dope?
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Yeah, like, he's essentially, in effect, all he did was like, why are you money by attacking you? Like, yeah.
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And he still can't help himself.
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Can I just say on, on that? Because both of those two things that you just mentioned, I think are kind of connected where there is this thing about desperately needed revisionism, about the 20th century, particularly, and the two world wars. But there's something about, I think for guys like in our camp, there was always something particularly infuriating about a guy like Mark Levin. And because Mark Levin particularly always, unlike other prominent war hawks and neoconservatives, Mark Levin really draped himself in the Constitution and that, that was his thing, that he was the constitutionalist. And there is. Now, I'm not exactly a constitutionalist, I'm more in the Rothbard camp. Like, we, we, let's just say, like, we have a lot of dinners with constitutionalists, but that was never exactly our, you know, brand of libertarianism. But it was just, to me, you can get into, you know, these, these are arguments that are above my pay grade when people get into, like, technical constitutional arguments. Like, if, you know, I was a fly on a wall and we were at dinner with like, or, you know, I guess I could have been a person at this table if times had matched up. But like, if Judge Napolitano and Anthony Scalia were like, having a conversation about, you know, I'm not the one to chime in there and say, well, actually, gentlemen, it's like this, you know, there's. We would say there are experts. Yes, I'd be very interested to sit and listen. Right. But my whole thing is just, it was just so undeniable, is that the government that the Constitution authorizes bears zero resemblance to the government that we live under today. And if you're going to say that you're a constitutionalist, well, then every day you better be ranting against this entire monstrosity, none of which is authorized by the Constitution. And the Constitution. It's not as if the Constitution goes, well, look, we've expressly laid out these and delegated these powers to the federal government. But then there's also a lot of stuff that we don't talk about here, and that's all up for interpretation. Like, it's very clear. It's very clear in multiple places in the. And then enshrined in the 10th Amendment that, like, hey, if we did not expressly give you this authority, you don't have it. It doesn't exist. It's maybe the states and mostly the people are who are, you know, and so there is just like, in a sense, the reason why we need so much revisionism in the 20th century is because the whole story is a lie. Like the whole, the whole justification for this regime that we live under, which really people view the United States of America as, I guess, having started in 1776, and that the ratifying, the Declaration of Independence is what created this. That. That's just not at all like, you're telling me that there hasn't been a revolution here. Well, first of all, we initially set up the Articles of Confederation, right. Then that was couped away into creating the constitutional system to begin with. But if you just say, Tom, before World War I. Right. And even if we were going to like, let's say up to Woodrow Wilson, and we'll even leave a little bit of the early Progressive era in there. Right. So, like, even, even after the expansions of the state that, that happened under Roosevelt first, Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, the government of that time bears no resemblance to this system. There's just nothing at all the same. The amount that the government actually interacted with its citizenry or how. I mean, you're talking about a time where there was no income tax and no central bank and there was no federal regulation. There was essentially no federal spending. The federal government basically didn't exist to most people. This is a radically libertarian society compared to the one we have now. And it's only literally in this time, as you could get from any decent Milton Friedman lecture Right. We went from 1865 to 1912 in this country had no income tax, no central bank, no federal regulation, essentially no federal spending. And in this time you saw the greatest rise in the living standard for the average person. Like the greatest raise in the lot in life of the average guy. It made America the wealthiest country that's ever existed. And that actually living under that order is the only reason why we're even able to live in this order. Right? Like this was the story of the world wars that we just out produced everybody. It was like basically two things. We joined late and we out produced. Hey, our submarines weren't as good as the German subs, but we could make 12 in the time that they could make one. So you know, we were just, we turned this product and so essentially we now live under this illegal, unauthorized regime where it's not an honorable system like the old one, where we produced a lot of stuff because we had laissez faire free markets. Now it's all top down government authority, fiat Wall street speculating and essentially, you know, the revisionism. What it gets at is their whole narrative about why this whole new order is justified and why it wasn't a betrayal of the old order, it was just what we became that really needs to be torn down. Because it's nonsense, it's not true and it's not right, and it's led to just disaster for the world. So, you know, I don't know. I think all of this is very connected in a way.
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If I were to read that textbook in 2026, it would be completely wrong about COVID and Fauci. It would be completely wrong about Ukraine. It would be completely wrong about 2008 and the financial crisis. And that's not even going back 20 years, you know, and that's just three major things. Like, we. We know for a fact. It would teach the exact opposite of the truth of that. Meanwhile, suppose Laura Loomer managed to string two sentences together and write an American history textbook. That would also be all wrong, and it would be full of all kinds of hero worship and absurdities. So the point is, if we know for a fact that the history of the past 20 years would be all wrong, why is the history of the 20th century exempt from exactly the same forces? I have to look at that. Because that was all written at a time when there's no independent media to check.
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Right, Right. That was my point that I was going to make. And written at a time where the only voice in the room was the establishment, you know, and look like we could all recognize on some level that if. Forget even like, taking the example of World War II, because people get so emotionally charged. But, like, let's just say there had been a different result in World War I, which was quite possible. I mean, through years of World War I. It was very close. I mean, before the Americans joined, it was like, essentially a stalemate. And let's just say there had been a different result in that. Let's say Germany had one World War I. Does anybody think that the accepted establishment history would be the same? No, it'd be a completely different story that would be told. And does anybody believe that that story would be 100% accurate? Like, no, of course. We all know that they would have skewed the story in their favor and told it from their perspective. And. Okay, so what are you saying? Like, because our side won. What? We, we're just angels on this side. Like, not even saying World War II where people try. Yes, the, like Hitler was really a monster and it's really easy to paint him as a monster, but it's really hard to paint Joseph Stalin and, and FDR and Winston Churchill as angels. Like, that part's really tough. And so the only argument we're making is like, yes, they would have probably lied if they had won, but I'm not so sure that the angels on our side were completely honest about the whole thing either. I'm not saying that the presidents wrote the history books, but, you know, it does all kind of get filtered through that same establishment lens. And you look at something like the reaction to Daryl Cooper's comments on Tucker from last year. Embarrassing, but it's revealing. I mean, it's like, whoa, yeah, there's, there is a real. You know, Tucker Carlson had a line once where he said he was talking about things you're not allowed to say and who was like, it's like when a wound is infected and you just touch it and you like immediately recoil. Like there's something like, oh, there's an infection here, what's going on? And the basic thing. And people, there's probably one group of people who are well meaning and honest intentioned who do get like, oh, so is there a dark thing that you're trying to say in there? Like, are you somehow trying to say that like Hitler was really good or something like that? Right? Like there, there might be honest people who, who wonder about that, but there's a whole other group of people who insist that that's all you could be saying.
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B
Right.
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A
And that's why this must be shut down. When really I think what a lot of people kind of, you know, you look at something like World War II, it's objectively like the worst thing that ever happened, you know? Okay, I don't know, maybe you could come up with some Genghis Khan attack or something that like rivals it or so. But like, it's the biggest bloodbath in human history. It destroyed all of your. It's like the worst thing you could imagine. Just like innocent civilians, not military women and children being slaughtered by the tens of millions. Like, the scale of the horror is like too much to even process. And then yet we're supposed to look back at that and go, and that was perfect. Like, we did it right? And Obviously, the other side didn't do it right either. There were, you know what I mean? Like, there were off ramps that they could have pursued, obviously. I don't think anyone's denying that. I mean, my God, if you wanted to avoid the war, how much guilt does Hitler have on his hands? I mean, you know, a ton. You know, he humiliated Chamberlain in front of the world and you know, like, okay, but are you telling me, like, you get to that result and your takeaway is that there's nothing we should look in the mirror about? There's nothing we should learn? There's no question about did we handle it the right way? Could this have possibly been avoided? And it's amazing. I mean, it's like, you know, like, this is like a marriage that ends. It's not a marriage that ends in divorce. It's like a marriage that ends in, in like the mom or the dad killing the whole family. You know, like just the worst case scenario. And then you're going to look at that and say, we shouldn't try to question whether this was the best course of action or whether this could have been avoided. And you see in a thing like Daryl, where he really didn't even say anything, like, he didn't say anything that they have to pretend he said something he didn't, you know, like. But you can't even question the thing. People are allergic to that and immediately, you know, that is a sickness, that is something unhealthy. If the official narrative is correct, then let it be stress tested a little bit. Let it stand up to some scrutiny. Because only people who aren't correct need to resort to this. Need to resort to this, like, hysterical smearing of anybody even raising some questions.
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And I mean, if you know the literature of this, I mean, AJP Taylor was not crazy people who wrote in this tradition. But it's not even just World War II. Like, for example, the civil rights movement needs to be looked at again.
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Yes.
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Sorry, does it? Absolutely does. Because what we've been presented just on the cusp of the development of the Internet was Newt Gingrich telling us that, you know, Martin Luther King was a conservative and he. We really need to embrace, like, none of these people are serious. That's not serious. If you think it is, you don't
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know any of the material or even libertarians. How many goofy like Gary Johnson, libertarian types would have said, you know, my libertarianism is a Martin Luther King type of libertarianism. And you're like, dude, I mean, what you're taking one excerpt of One speech. And that's what you're defining Martin Luther King ism as.
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B
Right. So basically what the neocons are more or less doing with Daryl and other people is even though they call us woke. Right? That's a laugh. Number one, they're saying, well, there's certain boundaries you can't go beyond and there's certain topics that we're not going to reopen again. Well, sorry, that sounds like a left wing skull to me. So that's one thing. There's certain things, if you even investigate them, we automatically assume the worst about you. That's how the WOKE behave. We automatically assume the worst about you just because of what you're pursuing in history or scholarship. But then also they use the magic word thing, you know, well, you're an anti Semite, you're this or you're that. I just saw, just in my social media feed, just at random, I saw somebody sharing something very, very just something bad that, that Israel had done in Lebanon. And the first comment was, you seem like an anti Semite. Like, that's not. Nobody believes that. You might as well just knock that off. Nobody believes it. But again, that's, that's how WOKE people behave. So they're the woke ones. And yet they're also the ones who were telling us what we're allowed to say, think what position we can have, what issues are open to debate, like, you know, go screw yourself and we're going to talk about whatever we want to talk about.
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Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right. And I think that is almost the essence of this entire, you know, podcast world's attitude. Like, you know what, we're just going to do it. We're going to talk about this. And now, you know, to your point, there's a lot of these real third rails. The third rail issues and the civil rights movement and World War II are probably the two biggest ones that really do need re examining. And you know, to your point, this, I guess this is something that people like me and you have been re examining for a long time, you know, but now it's much broader. There's a much wider audience of, of Americans who are like thinking about some of these things and you know, you, it's amazing how much the, you know, in, in some sense, right, you could argue that anyone who supports the Civil Rights act of, of 64 is a leftist. To be a right winger, you kind of have to oppose. I mean, if you think about kind of basically on paper, I mean, whatever definition of left and right winger you're, you're working with. But if you are for a government intervention that puts the, at the role of the federal government, that it ought to reach into the lives of every, every individual business, every individual culture and neighborhood and that. And have this massive, centralized, enforced policy in the name of racial egalitarianism, of remaking society into a racial egalitarian state. That is leftism, man. Like, no matter how you look at it, that is just. It is a leftist idea. Listen, that doesn't make it wrong by definition, unless you're people like us. But that is leftism. And so like, for all of these people who even present themselves as right wingers, you're really not a right winger if you support the 64 Civil Rights Bill. This just almost by definition. And so that really gives you a little bit of a clue of where the left right divide is in America. Like the right doesn't exist, essentially, is my point, and hasn't existed for many, many decades. There's no such thing. Because it was the complete consensus, and this is the way it always would work, right, is that like the right wingers would always oppose what the left wingers were doing. And so if the left wingers were passing the New Deal, the. Well, who was the right? The right were the ones who were opposed to the New Deal. And then a new school of right wingers come in and go, okay, look, we accept the New Deal, but we oppose this Great Society, you know, and then a new group of right wingers come in and go, okay, we all accept the Great Society, but I don't know about Obamacare. And you know, if you, if you're, they're not even running on repealing Obamacare anymore. You know, like, this is always how it goes. And the same thing happened with the civil rights movement where then it just gets buried that there was any principled objection to this at all. But there was at the time, Barry Goldwater was one of the most prominent people. And like, he lost the day, he lost the argument, and for understandable reasons. But at this point, you're looking back at this stuff and essentially, what, it's just like the permanent revolution. It never stops. The civil rights movement ended up being the perpetual communist revolution in a sense. Because even if you, if you look at a Kamala Harris interview for today, she's going to be talking about some type of DEI program, some type of new thing, because after all of this, much like any type of government intervention, after all of this intervention in the name of racial egalitarianism, well, where does that leave things? With high racial tensions and black people still are not doing well in this country. Like, they have all of the problems that they used to have, plus a whole bunch of new ones. I mean, now, look, I shouldn't say all of the problems. Some things have gotten a lot better. There's been technological advances. We're all a lot wealthier than we used to be back then, but by many, like basic moral metrics, kind of foundational. How are you doing as a people? And, you know, it's not just economics. And libertarians get off on that sometimes. So it's not just like, if I were to just ask, how are you doing, Tom? Like friends on the phone, off the show, how are you doing? The question isn't simply, are you making more money than you made last year? You know what I mean? There's more to life.
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And sometimes I walk down the corridor of almost any of these schools and look around. That has nothing to do with money. It has to do with something. Something's gone wrong here, you know.
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Yes. When your family units have been devastated and destroyed, there's something more profound than money to that, you know, and so like, in. In many senses, the African Americans in America, yes, they were poorer in the 1940s and the 1950s, and. And yes, they were. They. They were much more discriminated against in many ways, but they were also less criminal and more family oriented and I think in many ways doing better. So anyway, the thing has just been a total. It's been a. It's been a nightmare. It has not made race relations better in this country. They got better in spite of it for years. And it. It doesn't seem to have done anything for the people it allegedly was supposed to serve. So, yeah, I think all of this is ripe for revision, guys.
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B
We had a really rough time with the birth of little Henry woods, who's just four months old now. Not the birth per se, but the health challenges my wife faced during the pregnancy. That meant she needed to be monitored closely, and that meant two hospital stays of weeks at a time. You cannot imagine the hospital bill we racked up. And that doesn't include little Henry stay in neonatal intensive care, which also isn't cheap. And yet Crowd Health took care of it all. A year or two earlier, the woods family had seceded from the deeply broken American health insurance system and embraced Crowd Health, which is an alternative to that system. It's simple. You cover small expenses yourself and a small portion of larger ones. Crowd Health negotiates those larger bills down and then crowdfunds the rest among the membership. It works fantastically well. Even when we were afraid our bill would surely break the system. Nope. Worked like a charm. A guy in my elite mastermind, his wife got both hips replaced. Grand total $500. My business partner, Paul Counts, had knee surgery. He was billed $63,000, but he paid, thanks to crowd health, $500. So meanwhile, by the way, instead of the woods family's thousands of dollars in monthly premiums, we pay crowd health a small fraction of that. It's brilliant and amazing and you should be part of it. Get started today for just $99 per month for your first three months. When you go to JoinCrowdHealth.com and use code Woods, Crowd health is not insurance. Opt out. Take your power back. This is how we win. Join CrowdHealth.com Code Woods I gotta ask you this, Dave, and I feel like I'm making you do uncompensated work here, but there's a word that I'm sure you and I both hate and are tired of hearing. And every time we do hear it, we mentally add, you know, like 18 retardation points to whoever the person is. And that fake word is panic. P A N, I, C A N. I don't know who, whoever it is is going to have to pay in the afterlife or something for this, but can you explain what that means and why that's not a good criticism of somebody who says, if Trump does X, it could lead to Y and Z, but it doesn't lead to Y and Z and therefore you were stupid for saying it?
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Yeah, well, I first heard this term in the wake of the 12 day war last summer. And so obviously, I mean, look, talk about a term that has not aged well, right? Because the idea was essentially to go, and I see the social psychology behind it. It's not the worst propaganda I've ever seen. But the idea was to go, hey, look, there were a whole bunch of people, me being one of them, who was before the 12 Day War, going, do not do this. This risks catastrophe. But then a catastrophe didn't come as they go, oh, look at all you guys. You were panicking. You were panicking about this thing, but it's not going to. Now, look, if you're asking me why, what is the logical flaw in that? Well, I mean, it's fairly obvious, right? Like, if you, if Tom takes, you know, fill in your own analogy or here. But there's been a bunch of metaphors made on this. But if you, if me and you are at dinner and you know, you have 12 glasses of whiskey while we're at dinner and then you go, I'm going to go drive home. And I go, tom, do not go. Get behind the wheel right now. You just had 12 whiskeys, man. You can't drive. Are you crazy? And then you drive and you get home fine. That doesn't actually prove that I was wrong. Like it's. The result. Doesn't surely prove. Yes.
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B
I think if that happens, I'm going to call you up and call you a panic. I got home fine, Dave.
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A
Now in that moment, you'd feel pretty good calling me a pan again. But the logic is not airtight. And you know, you could, you could play Russian roulette and not blow your brains out. That doesn't mean it's a wise idea. And of course, you know, one of the, one of the things that's been interesting is that because I've, you know, I'm, I'm just, I'm kind of lucky in a way. Like I, I, you know, as I've always kind of said, and I think I always try to make this as clear as I can that, you know, I just kind of found Ron Paul and I thought he was really interesting. Then I started reading his books and I started reading your books and I started reading all the books and I was just like, yeah, I think these guys make better arguments. I think these guys are right. And so I just kind of happened to find like the best camp of people who were really right about a lot of this stuff. And that made all of this very easy. But so anyway, so what, what happened with me personally was like I kind of, as I start my career started building up really over the last like five or six years. And I started getting more and more traction and my audience was growing. I kind of developed a reputation for like having a good track record, you know, like almost all of the positions that I was taking were initially not very popular, then essentially became consensus, at least amongst the people, maybe not amongst the ruling class, but like, you know, opposing lockdowns in the beginning, as I remember, you were there with me. Opposing lockdowns in the beginning was not popular. It was actually like a really unpopular position. But today saying I'm against these lies is like, yeah, that's consensus. Everyone knows the lockdowns were stupid. They kept schools closed forever and everyone got Covid anyway. It just, just ruined kids lives and didn't do anything, put people out of work or whatever. Same thing with Russiagate, with, with being Good on calling that out. And same thing with all the, the global war on terrorism. At least since I've been in the game, I've been right on there. And then the 12 day war they really tried to use is this thing that it's like, ah, but you got that one wrong. You know, you really. Okay, you may have gotten a few of these other ones right, but that one you got wrong. And then of course, now we've been totally vindicated and we were right about that too. And it's just like all they can do is caricature the argument. You know, it's. It's. When I had a. Ben Ferguson, who's Senator Ted Cruz's guy, said to me the other day, in some ways criticizing all of us, he goes, well, you guys, your foreign policy is you put your head in the sand and pretend nothing's happening. It's like, yeah, or, or my foreign policy is the just war theory of Christianity. You know, or maybe it's that, or maybe it's just against wars of choice, wars of aggression, like, you know, which, by the way, honestly, if you ask me, I'm not like trying to be a pretend Christian or something. I'm not a Christian. I don't think that just war theory goes nearly far enough that if your husband. I like, I, I actually like the Rothbardian foreign policy school a lot better. I think War, Peace in the State. Read that pamphlet. That's my foreign policy.
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B
But, but anyway, somebody who's putting his head in the sand, though it would be somebody who's looked at the 25 years of the war on terror and thinks that that worked.
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A
Yeah. How is that not putting your head in the sand? How is ignoring the, the Director of National Intelligence Annual threat assessment. How is that not putting your hand. Head in the sand? Right? Like it's, it's. None of it makes any sense. And none of them even know what's really going on. They don't even seem to really follow the news. But so essentially panic and it was like woke, right? It was all the same thing. It's just an attempt to label the opposition to the regime with something that sticks. And luckily for us, none of them stick because they're just this whole, the whole media, this whole, the whole old game of smearing the critics really relied on a controlled media apparatus. Once you lose that, you just kind of lose all of it. Like once, once guys like me and you get to give our side too, then those simple smears don't work. And also because like, we are not, we are not going after people like Mark Levin by simply calling them names and saying that they're, you know, I don't know, they're, they should be silenced. Like we're, we're going at them based off their track record of policies that they support that led to disasters and led to disasters for reasons that were easily predictable. And with that kind of asymmetry in the argument, they, they're not going to win the argument. But they do, they do seem to win the government policy a lot.
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B
Yeah, boy, geez, do they ever, do they, you know, when, when the bombing started. Poor Scott Horton, I don't know if you saw his post, but he said, look, guys, I'm sorry, I do such a terrible job. I'm supposed to stop these kinds of things and I'm no good at it. You know, for anybody who wants to know the actual arguments, here they are. And I thought, Scott, you know, you're doing everything you can and we all appreciate it. But last thing, and I know this is totally unfair of me to make this the last question, Dave, but on the question of Israel and US Foreign policy, I would like to know what you think the argument being made by America firsters really is. Because what they're saying is we should have a foreign policy whose first concern is the well being of the United States and everything else is a distant second. Fair enough. But what they say then is that a lot of US Foreign policy seems to have to do more with defending Israel than defending the United States. Well, so the question is, what's the mechanism here? Is it that presidents are bribed or blackmailed into helping Israel? Is it that presidents simply have a fondness for Israel, they feel a moral commitment to Israel? Is it they have a religious commitment because they believe in, they're Christian Zionists? Is it that they get a lot of money for campaigns? Or is it just that they just happen to agree with Israel on the way they view the world and so that's how they carry out their foreign policy? Or what exactly is the mechanism that's pushing it?
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Yeah, I mean that is like the, the, what was it, $64,000 question. And, and I don't know that I know the answer to it. I mean, I think my, my suspicion is that it's a mix of all of those things and that it's different things for different people. Like, I, I don't know. Again, I'm speculating, but I, I, like, I tend to believe that Mike Huckabee really believes the stuff he's saying. I, I think there are people out there who actually on some level believe that th. This is like what a Christian must do and that God. I, I mean, I don't know how you can, you can actually believe that God promised all of the Middle east to Benjamin Netanyahu, but some people do seem to believe that.
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B
Genuinely confused that people disagree with him on it.
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Yeah, it's. And, and so, you know, there's a lot. There is a decent amount of that. Then there are people like Ted Cruz who just. I don't believe that he really believes that. I think he believes that it's good for his business. You know, if he wants to get ahead in Washington D.C. he's like, I'm going to stake myself over here as the guy on the side of the Israel lobby and there'll be money and positions and power in return for that. As far as, like the bribing, I mean, they just openly admit to it. It's not, I mean, it is, you know, what, what Donald Trump has admitted publicly about the Adelens, you would think is supposed to be like an anti Semitic conspiracy theory spread on 4chan or something like that, but it's just, it's just what the President says of just straight up goes, there are these guys, they got hundreds, you know, they've given me hundreds of millions of dollars and all they care about is Israel. And every day they come to me with demands for Israel and I give them whatever they want. You know, like, it's just. He says it. Oh, you know, as far as the blackmail thing goes, I mean, we do know, like, we know that the Israelis attempted to blackmail Bill Clinton with the Monica Lewinsky scandal. And, you know, a lot beyond that is just speculating. Yeah. You know, there's the, the blackmail aspect of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal has never really been proven. It's always almost just been implied or guessed because what else would the reason for cameras in all of your massage rooms be other than to. And, and we have that one email that he didn't send, but was in his draft about Bill Gates having an affair, contracting sexually transmitted disease, and then having to give his wife secret penicillin or something like that. Now, why would you ever even write an email like that? Why would that ever be written out? It only seems like this is a black man. This is letting someone know that I know this about you. And it's just when you see, look, when you see the way that our government is permeated by people who will say things like Ted Cruz saying, the reason I became a Senator was to defend Israel. Tammy, Bruce saying America is the best country in the world. Well, maybe besides Israel, you just have people like this who, like, worship essentially a foreign country, and then they also will commit political suicide, as Donald Trump is doing right now for said foreign government. I don't know the answer, but it does. It does kind of lead you to believe that, like, maybe some people are really being threatened or blackmailed. And again, I don't have any evidence for that, but it is a situation where I don't think it's completely unreasonable to speculate that that seems likely that there are threats in blackmail, that that's how this. This at least a big component of how this thing works. And look, I mean, I, I still, I can't really imagine it. It's not as if that gives a pass to anybody. I mean, I can't. I don't really have any dirt. I've put all my dirt out publicly, and then there's nothing else. Like, I don't cheat on my wife or anything like that I don't have. But, like, if I even try to imagine, like, say, let's say I did that and then someone was blackmailing me with that, and then they were like, okay, you have to do something. Maybe they could get me to do something. But then if they were like, hey, you gotta go kill a bunch of kids, I think you'd just be like, no, well, no, I'm not going to do that. I mean, no, then I'm caught. Then I got to just admit it, like, oh, that sucks. But, like, I'll go admit what I did, and then, no, I'm not going to do that. And so, like, I. There is some sense that, like, even blackmail maybe doesn't explain some of this. And, like, I'll tell you, I'm not completely closed off to the idea that there is more to the world that we could see and that, you know, it's basically been accepted by human beings for all of history that there are forces of good and forces of evil and that there are spiritual forces that play on men, and that that is part of life also. And it does seem like there is some type of dark force, whatever that is, that so many of our political leaders are sucked up into. And it. Look, just. I. I guess really the reason why you even asked this question at all, why we even have to grapple with it, is because it just, on some level, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense for so much of our political leadership to act in the interest of this puny, tiny country that's our welfare, fat welfare country, you know, halfway around the world. It just doesn't make any sense. And yet we know that they do it anyway.
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B
Right? So the position that I've basically had to come to is that I don't exactly know what goes on behind closed doors. I don't have all the information I'd like to have. What I know is that the foreign policy they decide on, regardless of how they decide on it, is not good for the US and it very suspiciously seems to be good for Israel. And the arguments for why it's supposed to be good for the US Are so laughably unconvincing. They're not being honest, sincerely.
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Well, look, and we should just throw the caveat in there because even good libertarians like us, some, you know, we. Collectivism is like built in to your brain. So, like, even when I'll do this a lot too, when you talk about foreign countries, you end up like, kind of collectivizing them in a. Like, just to be clear, it's not good for Israel. None of this is good for Israel. This has gotten a bunch of Israelis killed. It's gotten a bunch of stuff blown up in Israel. It's turned the world against them. It's actually put like the security of just regular Israelis is more under threat than ever because of Benjamin Netanyahu.
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B
Yeah, you could easily make this argument. I mean, just because I'm an American, my main concern is with the US but. No, that's right. Could easily make this argument, but.
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So it's not, it's like you're, it's like even more narrow than our government is pursuing policies that aren't good for us, that are good for the Israelis. It's like our government is pursuing policies that are clearly devastating to our country in service of like, this group of Likudniks who have some Greater Israel scheme or something like that that is not clearly in anyone's interest other than like weapons manufacturers. And, you know, that's. Again, it's just, I think that, you know, there's things like, like, of course, Ron Paul has been literally talking about sound money and inflation every day for like, you know, I don't know, like what, 50, 60 years or something like that. There's not been a day that there's not been a microphone that he hasn't said and the Fed into. And I think that what's really exploded over the last five years has been how devastating the price inflation is, is what all the Democrats are running on unaffordability. And, and it's an interesting time because I think libertarians pay attention to money more than any other political camp. And now it's getting more obvious than ever before that we have to keep destroying this currency in order to fight these wars for Israel. And that that's why the average first time house owner is 40 years old in America today, which just is like if there's one statistic that is just so damning for your entire society, man, because there are so many implications of that. But your first time homeowner is 40 years old. That means you don't have a conservative society anymore. It's impossible to. Because people aren't starting families. And that's the whole thing that you need is you need people in their 20s and 30s to be starting families in order to have a productive society, a moral society, a free society for all of those things. That's what you need.
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B
Healthy society.
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A
Yeah, healthy society. Sorry, we can't do that because we got wars of choice to go fight on behalf of Benjamin Netanyahu's territorial ambitions.
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B
Yeah. Well, I'm going to let you go after all this. I, I probably have gotten you all agitated. I, I would like to have an episode where we talk about happy things.
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A
We could do that.
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B
Would you say we could do that? We could in principle. The thing is, I, I don't know if people. Would people listen? Let us know in the comments. Would you listen if it was all happy? Maybe we'll, maybe we'll experiment with that. Dave Smith, thanks a million. Part of the problem, I listen to it and you all should do what I do. And that's one thing I do, is I listen to part of the problem. By the way, you, years ago, nine years ago, you came on what was at that time the Contra cruise. We had a wonderful time. And now Bob doesn't cruise with me anymore. So it's just the Tom woods cruise. Dave would be way more expensive to get now. But Dave can tell you, however, that it's a whole lot of fun to go on cruise with me, can't you?
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A
It's the most fun and I would do it, I would do it for free. But my wife will demand substantially more money this time than last time. But. Yes, but it was literally like one of the most fun. I still talk about that all the time and literally I made, I made friendships on that boat that are like lifelong friendships. I mean like met great people and that. Yeah, me and I was just literally the other day, I think me and Scott Horton on the phone were talking about the cruise and how much fun that was. Yeah, that one back in 2017 was great.
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All right, so. So go to Tom woods, cruise.com everybody. You'll have a great time. But. But after you do that, catch up on your episodes of Part of the Problem, because that's what. That's what a Tom woods listener, when done with the Tom woods show, would do. So check out Part of the Problem. Dave, thanks a million. We love watching you debate these people. It is. It is an absolute blast that I get to sit and. You know, a lot of times with debates, I find myself looking at the screen yelling things at them like, why don't you say this, why don't you say that? But I do the opposite with you. I'm sitting there thinking, well, I didn't even think of that one. If they had thrown that at me, I would have just sat there.
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Well, thank you very much, Tom. And it's. I just really. I. I treasure our friendship and I've learned so much from you. I. It's always a great time talking to you and being on your show and. Yeah, until they lock me up, I'll keep debating these clowns and we'll keep having fun.
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All right, Dave Smith, Part of the Problem. Thanks a million and thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
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Make yourself and those you love less
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Get more forbidden information@tomsfreebooks.com and be sure to subscribe to the show wherever you listen. See you next time.
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