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Tony Kornheiser
Hey, it's Tony. On today's show, we will talk to Marv Albert about the Knicks and his long history of calling games there. And we'll talk with Tim Legler to preview game two of the NBA Finals. Good show. But first, commerce. Previously on the Tony Kornheiser Show.
Tim Legler
Ruland was so insulted that I would mention these guys that he would talk to me for the rest of the year. And as the beat reporter, that's bad. Your inability to talk to the best player on the team did not. Did not make me look good in the eyes of the great George Sullivan.
Marv Albert
I'll tell you that.
Tony Kornheiser
Ruland texts me all the time now.
Marv Albert
No.
Tony Kornheiser
Yes. Ruland is writing a book. He wants me to write the introduction. I said, jeff, I can't. I can't write anymore. He texts me all the time.
Tim Legler
I'm really not so bad.
Tony Kornheiser
His most. His most recent. Well, he's gonna want it excerpted in the New Yorker. The Tony Korneiser show is on now. I believe they talked. Oh, they did. I believe Jeff Rulin called David Remnick. I. I don't have firsthand information.
Nigel
He's called the New Yorker.
Tony Kornheiser
No, he called me for David's number. Okay. He texted me, and I said to David, is this okay? And he said, sure. So it's possible that they question about
Nigel
my subscription just to get.
Tony Kornheiser
I mean, digital only. Isn't that wonderful? Isn't that wonderful?
Michael
It's just great.
Tony Kornheiser
You know, here's David Remnick, winner of a Pulitzer Prize, editor of the New Yorker, used to cover basketball. And ruling shut him out for a whole season. And ruling says, that's wrong of me. It's my bad. I. I'll talk to him. I'm sorry. That's great. All right. So we had planned today, we had planned in the open of the show to put Andy Beyer in to pick the Belmont, because Andy picks on this show year after year after year. He picks the Derby, he picks the Preakness. He picks the Belmont. We couldn't get in touch with Andy. I mean, we were texting Andy, Nigel and I tried to get him. We didn't actually have any particular success. And then I got a message this morning because we can't do the Triple Crown without Andy. We always do the Triple Crown. We always have Andy. Now we're very fortunate that Ron Flatter, you know, is with us now and does the Triple Crown as well as Andy. But even Ron would say Andy is the big gun.
Michael
The Byer Speed figures.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, this is Andy Byer. And I just got a note. It said, sorry, I'm in London. So I wrote him back, and I said, good.
Michael
Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy.
Tony Kornheiser
You know, not going to bother you. Go. Yeah. So we don't have Andy picking the Belmont. That's one thing we don't have. We also don't have a lot about the Nats. Nats didn't play yesterday. Nats were swept by the Marlins. Yeah. My advice to the Nats is just very simple. Get rid of Tanya. Get rid of him. He cannot. In a runner in scoring position in a lefty, righty matchup with two outs. He doesn't deliver. He doesn't deliver one out to us. He doesn't deliver.
Marv Albert
That's.
Tony Kornheiser
You know, my anger is. Is fixated on him, not the bullpen. Although I should be angry at the bullpen. They lost. The bullpen. Lost all three games.
Nigel
Bullpen or starters, depending on the day.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, yeah.
Nigel
Or the openers.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, Whatever. Pitching loss.
Nigel
A product is scheduling. You look at where the Marlins were as they got swept before playing the Nets.
Tony Kornheiser
So it's okay. Yeah. I mean. And they always. The Marlins always beat the Nets. So I'm. I'm. You know, I'm getting rid of that. I don't have anything to do.
Nigel
Did you make the mistake of trying to go to the channel 1261 for you?
Tony Kornheiser
When? Last night? Yeah. No, I.
Nigel
See the music.
Tony Kornheiser
No, I knew that they weren't. Okay. I did that, by the way. I will tell you this, though. I went as. I went by a bunch of channels, I landed on the channel, I believe it's 861. That is red zone. And there was a sign saying, this company is no longer contractually with Xfinity.
Nigel
Oh, nice.
Tony Kornheiser
No. So if. Let me just say this out loud.
Nigel
Press.
Tony Kornheiser
Let me say this out loud. If I can't get red zone, I'm out of cable.
Michael
Yeah, what's the point?
Tony Kornheiser
I'm done. I mean, there's two things I want. I want the Gnats, and I want the red zone. If I can't get red zone, I'm done.
Nigel
You remember what happened with the Nats magically, a day before?
Tony Kornheiser
That's right. So I'm anticipating this. But I did get that. That was a little irksome to me. The lone people keep calling.
Nigel
Nice.
Tony Kornheiser
Every single time I get a call says spam risk, it's the loan people. They have a message that they leave the moment that you don't answer the phone, and I press something that says, report spam and delete. And I Get the same call from another number?
Nigel
Yep.
Tony Kornheiser
So I have this from Carrie Costin, the only living carry on the list. That's not exactly true. My friend Carrie Stevens. Carrie, yeah. Although Carrie Stevens spells it C A R E Y. He's a psychologist in Canada. We went to camp together. Anyway, this says, attention Michael. You don't have to read this on the air. But we're reading it on the air. Last year and he names this company became an iHeart sponsor in Los Angeles. They are my client. What they do is get the client's digital contact info off of all those annoying websites that email or call Tony. It scrubs the emails and unsubscribes Tony constantly. Yeah, well, I hope so. He'll be able to tell the difference in about three days. It's cheap, about 10 bucks a month. It's great Father's Day gift for him. So I'll put this on the top.
Nigel
10 bucks a month adds up.
Tony Kornheiser
But I'll pay for it. Don't worry about it. I'll pay.
Nigel
Just keep reporting the spam.
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, so.
Tim Legler
Yeah.
Michael
Why does one report the spam? Because nothing ever seems to happen when that doesn't have.
Tony Kornheiser
I got it. It's from another number. The next time. It just. It doesn't matter.
Marv Albert
All right.
Tony Kornheiser
The Maryland Amateur is being played at Columbia. They have a field of about 120, 835, something like that. And they had to cut down to 32 by today. So they go from, you know, score play to match, stroke play to match stroke play to match play. That's what they do. The 32 people who are left, eight of them are from Columbia. No kidding. Eight of them are from Columbia. Michael knows most of them. We know Colin St. Maxins, obviously, Billy Ann, Brendan Peel, Brad Whitaker, who's the club champion now Ralph Blasey, who we like, James Spallone, Pat McCarthy and Will Mulally and I, I don't know the last three, but then we got, we got a quarter of the field. And by the way, you think, oh yeah, that's because it's an easy track. Well, if it was so easy, somebody of the 125 plus players would have broken par. Nobody did 70, which is a par at Columbia, was the best score. And earlier this morning, because we're, we're Talking now at 8 o' clock earlier this morning, the five people who tied at 70, none of the cold guys tied at 70 went out there to determine who would be the medalist. Yeah. So the quarter of the field is there. They go from 32 to 16 this morning, from 16 to 8 this evening, from 8 to 4 tomorrow morning, from 4 to 2 tomorrow afternoon, and then 36.
Nigel
It's amazing to see the evolution of that golf course in the 25 years that you've really been, you know, paying attention and just the entire area should be proud of the way that a landlocked, very, you know, golden age style golf course is able to withstand the modern game. You have some new tees that you're able to put into fairways and you can, and you can lengthen certain holes. But as it's always been, that golf course is about the greens, and you saw that yesterday. You have to miss in the correct spots.
Tony Kornheiser
70 is par. Nobody broke 70. These are the best amateur golfers in the state of Maryland. You would think 5 to 10 would break 70.
Nigel
You would think there would be one that goes a little deep. And again, the point of the stroke play is just to get into match play. And you think once you get there, anything's possible and there's some fun first round round matchups.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
Michael
Now you mentioned one of the players
Tony Kornheiser
or any of the Columbia people. Oh, of course they are. Oh, who's playing?
Nigel
Ralph and Colin or Ralph and Billy?
Tony Kornheiser
Ralph and Billy are playing each other.
Michael
Oh, did you mention one of the players names was McCarthy? Because that seems like an unusual name associated with Columbia.
Tony Kornheiser
That's 10,000. They're all fine. Oh, yeah, love them. They're all great. Okay, so let me get to the main thing I wanted to, to talk about, and that is the hockey game. We don't have a hockey guest. We never have a hockey guest. I don't. I'm not good at hockey. And I said that for years and years and years. I thought Vegas would win last night. I was wrong. But Vegas was up to nothing. Vegas had a two goal lead and did not win. The game was in Carolina, but Vegas, they give it back. It's two nothing in the third, right? Was it two, two nothing in the third? Yeah. And Carolina scores twice. And then Vegas thinks it scores. The puck is in the net. The official on the ice immediately calls that the goalie was interfered with and waves off the goal immediately. There was no hesitation. John Tortorella Torts, who's had magic dust sprinkled on him for a while now. He challenges, he says, no, that's a legitimate goal. If that goal is good, it's going to give Vegas a 32 lead. They huddle, they watch it. They say, no, it's interference. The goalie has interfered with now, unlike in baseball where if you have an incorrect challenge, the worst that can happen is you lose your next challenge. There's no penalty. In hockey, if you lose a challenge, it's the same as having a two minute minor penalty. And in the five on four power play, Carolina immediately scores to make it three to two. Now Las Vegas gets the goal back and it's three to three and they lose in overtime. So you don't know what would have happened. You can't be sure what would have happened. But if that goal goes the other way, that makes it three to two. Vegas pretty late. And I'm not certain at all that Carolina ties it or it ever goes to overtime.
Michael
And with no man advantage for Caroline at that point.
Marv Albert
Right.
Tony Kornheiser
So that's a very interesting rule that I was unaware of that if you challenge and you lose, there is pain. Yeah. You will. You lose a player for the next two minutes. That's significant. That makes you really think about doing a challenge. Tortorella said. I watched it. I watched this morning. Tortorella said 100% of the time I challenged that call. So I challenged any loss. Yeah, he did. He did. He challenged and he lost. And now, now that series is one
Nigel
one makes you think about a pitcher challenging a ball strike a little bit different.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, yeah, sure. If they like that shortstop. Yeah, yeah. We're going to pull him off the field. We'll pull him off the field for half an inning. You got to play without a left fielder. What? Yeah. So that the series has changed now. Now you can make the case that it resembles identically what happened in the Montreal Carolina series when Carolina at home lost game one to Montreal, one four in a row. Now, I'm not saying that's going to happen, but you can make that case that it is going to happen because that would be history repeating itself in a very short window anyway.
Michael
And what is it they always say? That the two nothing lead is the most dangerous lead.
Tony Kornheiser
Bernie Wolf says that. Yeah, it's the worst lead in hockey.
Marv Albert
Right.
Tony Kornheiser
To nothing plays out. I would want to be up to nothing.
Michael
Right.
Tony Kornheiser
But these are two games in a row. These are two games in a row where the losing team was up to nothing. Bernie seems to know what he's talking about because he played, you know, he was goalie in the league. Okay. We will come back with Marv Albert. Truth compels me to say that. We taped this yesterday evening. I think you're going to love it. Marv Albert when we return. I'm Tony Kornheiser. This is the Tony Kornheiser Show. The biggest stage in world soccer is here and every goal changes everything. And now FanDuel is giving you a reason to root for every single one. And introducing every goal pays. Bet on a match and get bonus bets for every goal scored in that match. That's right, more goals means more bonus bets. And all you have to do is turn on your token. From the opening whistle to the final kick. Let there be goals on FanDuel. Visit FanDuel.com podcast to get started. Now you're listening to the Tony Kornheiser Show. The Tony Kornheiser Show. This is a group called Drunk Hungry. This is a song called Our Love. Jeff Brick, he said, I wrote these songs with my wife Jennifer and our little band is called Drunk Hungry. Our new EP is Terrible Parables, which is linked below and available anywhere you get music. But I'm really sending this not to talk about us or even our albeit great new record, but rather one of your devoted listeners. My beloved Aunt Linda, who never misses a show, lives in Fort Washington, Maryland. I know she would love to hear our nephew on the podcast. Linda has always been the best of us, a world traveler, the smartest person in our family, a long suffering D.C. sports fan and a second mother to me and to my cousins in the 1980s. She deserves the Tony listening world to know her name and that her goodness and graces will be remembered as long as we live. She's had some health struggles recently. I won't go into and recently lost our beloved husband Stim. When speaking about him the other day, she said the following. He had a hole in one at Tantillion. Is that of course, Tantillion Country Club when he was 89. So there's still a chance for Tony. How great is that? How great is that? Thank you to Jeff Brick and thank you to John Conger. You know, play in Marv Albert and Marv is the soundtrack of my life in sports. Marv did the Knick games and did the Rangers games locally long before he became a nationally known sportscaster. You had to. How, when did you start start doing the Knicks? What year?
Marv Albert
First of all, Tony, thank you very, very kind. I started on radio. It was in the late 60s. I was extremely young at the time, but the station I was on, the radio station WHN in New York, began covering the Knicks of the Rangers, which I convinced them to do and they did. So I was able to do both teams, you know, which was pretty tough because sometimes they play the same day. But that was a great break for me.
Tony Kornheiser
Sure.
Marv Albert
And a lot of memories from that.
Tony Kornheiser
Now, the Rangers, you know, people need to know this. The Rangers and Knicks, they never won. The Rangers won once in, I don't know, 18, 15. And then messier came and they won one more time. But then, and that's more recently than the Knicks. The knicks won in 70, they won in 73 and they have not won since. Did you ever think it would take this long, that maybe they would get another one?
Marv Albert
No, I never, I never thought that. But there have been some really rough years. The Rangers did win again in 94. Yeah, that's when we were going back and forth between the Knicks were in the finals in Houston and, and the Rangers were at the Garden or in Vancouver, you know, back and forth. So it was crazy time, but a fun time. But you know, it's funny, the regular season can be so different than the playoffs. And we're now seeing, we're seeing a nick team that is actually nine, 10 deep. You know, it's. Yeah, that's. It's usually unheard of. In most cases this the starting five plus maybe three dependable players off the bench. But they've won 12 straight games and last night was incredible. I thought Wembanyama, I thought there was a stamina problem with him. He won't talk about it, but that was, I'm sure that was disappointing. You know, really disappointing.
Tony Kornheiser
Well, the, the Knicks out scored the spurs in the paint 50 to 42. That's never supposed to happen. Wembanyama is supposed to be a big defensive presence here. Brunson had 16 in the paint and Wembanyama only had eight. And he was taking, you know, 12 foot fade away jumpers. I mean, come on. You're right. You're 75. What are you doing? I, you know, the Knicks, to speak to this particular point, the knicks the last three years have won 54, 51 and 50. They're not sneaking up on anybody.
Marv Albert
That's. That's right. They're established this I think, you know, and Jalen Brunson has become one of the best players in the NBA. In fact, I would say that's the Knicks best acquisition since Dave DeBusscher back in 1968. In fact, when Dave was player coach for the Pistons, I remember he told me he actually tried to get himself traded. He was coach not only a player, he's 24 years old, try to get himself traded to the Knicks. And it finally happened. You know, that was a huge move for those Knicks Teams in the early 70s.
Tony Kornheiser
They are, of course, my favorite teams. I talk about them all the time. Walt Frazier said last night, he was quoted as saying of Jalen Brunson, he has the tenacity of Willis and he has my cool. And I said on the PTI show, well, you know, come on, you know, what are we talking about here? There's no greater praise than that. I need you to validate something for me, that the greatest moment ever in nick's history was May 8, 1970, when Willis walked out onto the court.
Marv Albert
Yes. No question, he had. In fact, he was on the pregame show that I was doing, and there were questions as to whether he was going to play. He had a hip injury. And I'm sitting with him, this may be half hour, 45 minutes before the game, and I'm there. And he gets a shot, you know, as Brunson probably did last night.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
Marv Albert
And he said he's going to plot. He had missed the previous game. And the crowd was really unhappy. Obviously, there was no noise being made. And then suddenly I was back in the booth. You heard this with about 3 minutes to go to the warmups, the pregame warm ups. You heard this roar. And I'm looking down and I said, here comes Willis. And quote, crowd went crazy. I mean, you know, the sounds in the arenas are not as loud as now, the structure of the way these arenas are being built. But this was the loudest I had ever heard at a. At a Nick game, certainly, or in any. Any arena. As he walked onto the floor, took a couple of jump shots, I remember from the far side. And then he's in the starting lineup. No one expected him to play. And he hits his first two shots, both kind of short jumper. One was a short jumper and the other was maybe 20ft out. And again, the crowd is going nuts. And the whole scene changed because this series was all tied at 3. 3 at the time. And this is game seven. And it got the other Knicks juiced up and he hardly played that game. And it was really. It was Walt Frazier. It was spectacular.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, it was Frazier, Bush and Bradley
Marv Albert
and, you know, the rest of the group. But Barnett, too, had a good Yank. Dick Barnett. But, yeah, I would say, as you mentioned, that was the moment. Up until, you know, this point, there was never anything. It was so dramatic. It's never anything like it.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. So, I mean, I want to say to people when they say, oh, if the Knicks win, then Jalen Brunson is the greatest Knick of all time. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Do you have any sense of how many Nick games you broadcast?
Marv Albert
You know, my son Kenny, who does mostly hockey, he counts as all he. He does a chart. I would have no idea. I would think somewhere over a thousand.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
Marv Albert
You know, because I don't know if we would count NBC games and TNT games when I would do a Nick game, you know, as part of that package. But I would say it's over 1,000. But the most memorable were those 70. 1969, 70 Knicks, and they want to get in in 73. That was in a five. They won in five against the Lakers. And this was the time when Jerry west, just as great as he was, just could not win a championship.
Tony Kornheiser
Couldn't win. Could not win. And he's, you know, he's. Yes, he is that great. He's the logo. Everybody knows that at this point.
Marv Albert
Oh, he's one of the all time best players. No doubt about it. But the Knicks made some dazzling trades. Was general manager Eddie Donovan. When you think about it, debusscher was acquired for Walt Bellamy and Howard Comaes. I would think a good portion of your audience has no idea who these people are. And then Earl Monroe, who was part of the 73 Knick championship team, he was acquired for Mike Reardon and Dave Swift Stallworth. And then they got Jerry Lucas also, which was a huge trade for Cassie Russell. So longtime NBA fans would remember these names.
Tony Kornheiser
I remember them. I mean, yes. I don't care if other people don't know these people. I remember Dave Stallworth wore number eight. Why did that pop into my mind? He just wore number eight.
Marv Albert
You know what? Sick. I could. I probably. I might not be able to remember a couple of things from recent time, but I could tell you the entire Brooklyn Dodgers starting lineup from 1950. And I can tell you, for whatever reason, the Philadelphia Phillies starting lineup from that. From 50 or so when they play the Yankees in the World Series. It's weird.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
Marv Albert
You know, why does that happen?
Tony Kornheiser
I don't know. I'm stuck with rock and roll lyrics from every song in the 60s. I know every single song.
Marv Albert
I'm the same way.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, every song. So Brunson, like, okay, Brunson doesn't have his best game, but he makes all the important shots and they win in game one. Brunson strikes me as a guy who could have played for the Knicks in any era. He does.
Marv Albert
I agree. I agree. He definitely would have adapted to any era. And this out of all the eras is the toughest to do. What he is doing is amazing because he's so shifty and he is. He's looking at 6 2, and he's not. He's maybe 6 foot 6 1, but he's always able to slither in and get a good shot off. He's. He's a most. It's a most unusual player. Shake. Gilbert Alexander has a little of that also, but he also has a way of throwing fouls all the time. You know, he. He plays to get fouls, too.
Tony Kornheiser
There are people who would say, Marv, that. I know what you just said about acquiring Debusser in a trade. There are people who would say that signing Jalen Brunson is the greatest free agent signing of all time.
Marv Albert
Might be. No, I said that's the biggest since the. That acquisition is the most significant since the Bush deal. Yeah. So. And the Bunsen one, as you, you know, may become one of the greatest acquisitions of all time. Yeah.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. Oh, wait a second. We have. We have looked. Our staff, our crack staff said that you've called approximately 3,100 Knicks games. That's more than you thought. That's more than a thousand.
Marv Albert
Maybe some of them I'm trying to forget.
Tony Kornheiser
So you're a native New Yorker. I'm a native New Yorker. I go through this all the time. And I explain that other than the Yankees and perhaps the New York Giants, but certainly the Yankees and the Giants, you know, nobody else ever wins. They don't win. And I'm wondering, like, as. As you look at the scenery of New York, if the Knicks, if the Knicks were to win, would that be, like, the greatest achievement? Or if the jets won, would it be a greater achievement? The Yankees win all the time. And what. How do you rank the teams in terms of what people want from them?
Marv Albert
I think the jets is. Would be in that category also. I mean, you're looking back to the, you know, days of Joe Namath have one highlight.
Tony Kornheiser
They have Joe Namath wagging his finger. That's their only highlight.
Marv Albert
Right. I mean, they've had, you know, when they had that excellent front four defense. I mean, they had chances when Marino beat him and stuff like that. But, yeah, that would be a big deal, too. But. But the Knicks are more popular. I mean, basketball is. So is the sport that kids play in New York, and all you need is a ball and a basket. You know, it's different. I mean, we played stickball, we played baseball. I played, you know, street hockey. But to this day, I think basketball is the Most significant sport in New York City. I mean, you see courts everywhere and you know, some families have not their house by the garage, you know, that type of thing. So a win now is easier to talk about now as compared to what took place in 70. But yeah, I think it would be huge. It would be. I mean, you see all the people showing up at the events at the Garden, they had to close it down because it was getting out of hand at one point where, you know, people were outside the Garden if the Knicks were on the road during the playoffs or even at home. And then they opened Radio City Music hall, which they packed. You've never seen that before. I mean, it seems over the top as to what how people have taken to the Knicks. All you see are Nick hats and Nick shirts when you walk around the city. It's incredible.
Tony Kornheiser
Be so happy if they're the big
Marv Albert
city, you know, it's not like we're talking about one of the smaller franchises, you know.
Tony Kornheiser
So I would stick it to Wilbon. You know, it just makes me so happy to think about that, that it would bother him so much. Really would.
Marv Albert
Is he still in his trailer?
Tony Kornheiser
He's in a van. He's in a van? Yeah, he's in a van. It's really scary.
Marv Albert
I mean, yes.
Tony Kornheiser
You know, once in the middle of the show, I hope somebody just takes the van and they end up on an interstate. Marv, thanks so much for doing this. Appreciate it so much.
Marv Albert
Anytime. Thank you so much. Appreciate it.
Tony Kornheiser
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Nigel
Send us some music by emailing it to jinglesonyconnizershow.com and they play in Tim Legler.
Tony Kornheiser
Game one is in the books. It's official. Is there anything that you gleaned from that game that you learned from that game that you found either interesting or surprising? And you go, you know what? I didn't see this coming.
Tim Legler
I think probably Tony the fact that Karl Anthony Towns not only was the primary defender on Victor Webignyam, which I expected that at the start start of the game, the fact that he guarded them almost exclusively in the minutes that Wembanyama and he were on the court together, because I thought O.J. anunoby was going to get some of that assignment. I just think he's a guy that could do a really good job. And Carl Anthony Towns is typically prone to picking up fouls, particularly against big guys that can put the ball on the floor from the three point line and try to drive on you. He was so good in this game at closing down the space on Wembanyama and then not fouling him when he tried to drive by, in fact, he's better than that. He was cutting him off and his size and strength were clearly a factor on Wembanyama. So I think if anything it was just that, that it was basically Karl Anthony Towne's job for the entire game. If he was on the floor, he had Wemby and he did. That was about as good a defensive job as I've seen any big man have against Victor Wembanyama.
Tony Kornheiser
I was surprised because there was this, you know, revealing statistic that we used on the PTI show that of the 20 people in the NBA who have guarded been the primary defender of Wembanyama for more than 100 minutes. Anunoby had the fewest points per possession. So I just assumed they would put Anunoby on him. And like you, I see Towns on him the whole way and, and then I see him on Towns and Towns goes by him a couple of times to the rim. And you say to yourself, whoa, I didn't see that coming.
Tim Legler
Well, I'll tell you what, one thing that was impressive. Carl Anthony Towns, I think the first drive he had against Wemby, he beat him. Really, as you would expect. If you, if you get by a big guy, a seven footer plus player at three point line, you get by him, you think you're going to get all the way to the rim. That's a hard recovery. He blocked his shot. And the impressive thing was the very next time Karl Lanthe Towns caught the ball, he drove on him again. He finished it. And of course I immediately thought to myself, well, this is quite the contrast from what we saw from Chad Holmgren in game seven of the Western Conference finals, who got his shot blocked and got dunked on early in the game and then basically disappeared. Carl Anthony Towns took seven shots in his first open 11 minutes of playing time against Wembanyama in this game. And it was just really kind of eye opening to see how confident he was in going at him. You know, a couple of those were threes, but most of those were drives. And that's not an easy thing to pull off against Wemby. But Carl Anthony Towns played with a force and aggressiveness and a confidence level. I thought it was one of the best games I've seen Carl Anthony Towns play. And I know this is a guy that's had big scoring numbers in his career. He had a 60 point game at one point. This was one of the best games I've seen him play. Even though, you know, scoring was kind of modest. 18, the rebounding was great, the defense, the all around play, just the smarts that he played with. I was so impressed.
Tony Kornheiser
There's a small little statistic here that to me is very surprising. The Knicks outscored the Spurs 4050 to 42 in the paint. To me, you don't, you know, you don't do that because Wembanyama is there to protect that area. But he, he didn't do that. He did not. And in fact, Wembanyama himself scored eight in the paint and Brunson had 16 in the paint. Am I overrating that statistic?
Tim Legler
No, you're not. Because going into this game, the knicks were number one in the NBA in the postseason, 53 points a game in the paint, in the playoffs. And I said going into the series that's going to be a hard number to replicate against this team. In fact, I think these guys are like, they're two of the best in the postseason. Also in defending the paint, they're like 1 and 2 or 2 and 3. So neither one of them give up very much in the paint. So something's got to give. Which is why I said the three point volume is going to go up for the Knicks because it has to, because you have to get that point production from somewhere. But they were able to do it in this game. And I think one of the reasons is because Brunson gets paint points, but they're not necessarily layoffs. So he's, he's scoring in that 10 to 12 foot area and that's a difficult shot. If Wembanyama's back along the baseline and he's got Carl Anthony Towns down there, he's got, you know, got a box him out. He's worried about that. That's a hard shot for women, Yama, to get to that little pull up 12 footer. So technically that's a paint point, but it's not a layup. And the layups are harder to come by without question. And I thought Mike Brain, he actually made me laugh on the air because he described drivers against San Antonio as taking U turns. Because that's basically what you do sometimes. You head down there and then you see the shadow and then you just turn around and go back out. Saw a number of those, but I think part of the reason that number is what it was because where Brunson can score from, it's in the paint, but it's just inside the foul line.
Tony Kornheiser
One of the reasons I like Wembanyama so much is that he accepts criticism and is also honestly, self critical, not phony like a lot of guys. It really feels like it's honest and I like that. And he said he's going to be better. Now, we have recent history that indicates he will. He had a bad game in Game 5 against Oklahoma City. He said he would be better and he was much better in Game 6. And the spurs won by 27 points in Game 6. Are you feeling that?
Tim Legler
Yeah, I think. And I do think he's going to play better. I think it's, it's more than just flipping a switch and saying to yourself, well, he's got to play better. So he will. They're not playing in a vacuum. The Knicks have something to do with it. So it's going to come down to some of the adjustments they make where he gets the ball. I don't think think they did a very good job of what they were running and just a conscious effort to get him the ball in the places he likes to have it the most. Space was not there for him. A lot of the shots he took were off balance. They were. He was jammed up when he was trying to get stuff off the drive. He likes to catch the ball at the elbows, more close to the elbows for the one on one stuff. He likes the stuff where he starts in the corner and gets a little down screened where he can come off with motion against Karl Anthony Towns. I watched that film of their game in the regular season. Three games they played and that was a set. They were running repeatedly and Carly had to chase him almost more like you would chase a guard off a screen. They didn't run any of that in game one. So I think they're going to look at the film. They're going to look at just where he gets the ball when they are at their best, regardless of who they're playing. And I think you're going to see Victor Wembanyama much more concerted effort to get the ball in spots that he can get going early in the game. I'm shocked if he's not very aggressive in the first quarter. That has usually been his response after a loss or a game in which he didn't play particularly well. He usually comes out very aggressive in the first quarter of the next game, including probably going to take some early threes. I'd be very surprised if he didn't.
Tony Kornheiser
Let's go to the other star on the other side. Jalen Brunson, who had a bad night statistically. He missed 19 shots but delivered when the Knicks needed the most, had 30 points. He's, you know, the only other nick to have 30 points in his finals debut was Willis Reed, which is fine company to be in. If we look at Brunson, statistically, he's probably going to get better. What does that mean for the series?
Tim Legler
Yeah, he'll be more efficient than he was in the first game for sure.
Tony Kornheiser
And he was.
Tim Legler
It's funny, we talked to him yesterday between games and he was. He was kind of hard on himself even though he had an incredible fourth quarter. And the guy is so good under pressure, I settle in the air. I've run out of adjectives to describe him in those situations. And I really mean that because I don't think there's anybody in the league right now, not a single player that is more certain of themselves in those situations. Than Jalen Brunson is. And it's incredible because it's one thing to see say, okay, we know the star players got to get the ball and he's probably going to take the shot. It's quite different to have the ball go in in those situations with the frequency that it does. Like Jalen Brunson converts. It's incredible to me. So you're right, Tony, he'll be better. But I think both of these teams, if I had to grade them out, you know, I'd say they were Both probably a 7 out of 10 in terms of their own gold standard. Their best performance, they weren't. Neither one of these teams was very close to that. So Brunson will be better. San Antonio, I think we did lose sight of, they lost a game by double digits, but they had a one point lead with two minutes to go.
Tony Kornheiser
Yes, it was the jump shot by the three from the right corner that stopped them.
Tim Legler
Yes, actually. Absolutely. And they were, they were right there in position to win this game. If they could have had a couple of possessions there go differently on either end of the floor, they win the game. So I think, I think they're probably going to take a little bit of solace in that. They know they can be a lot better. They certainly didn't shoot the ball very well outside of champagne. They've got to be better from the three point line. And you expect Brunson to be more efficient as well. These are two teams. One of the things I loved about this series, these are two teams that are not going to submit. They're going to have to kill them to stop them. They will get up off the mat, they will fight back. They will fight tooth and nail up and down their roster. Their competitive spirit is where it needs to be. So I think this is going to be a great, great game tonight and San Antonio is going to clean some things up. So are the Knicks how it's going to go? I'm not sure how this game is going to end, but I know if the Knicks are at a one possession game and with four minutes to go, they feel like they've got the guy
Tony Kornheiser
that's going to be the Knicks. You know, they're. They're 12 and 2 in the playoffs or 13 and 2 now in the playoffs. The two games they lost, they lost by one point each and they're plus 272. Tim, it's an astonishing. I'm not saying it's any sort of a prediction for what happens tonight, but it's an Astonishing and consistent run by them. Yes.
Tim Legler
How about this one, Tony? This was one of my favorites. I'm looking through all these numbers. Seven consecutive road wins by double digits in the playoffs. You don't see anything like this road margin of victory, like 21 plus points a game for this long of a stretch. They haven't lost a game in 43 days. Yeah, it's, it's incredible. I mean, and it's, it's such a high level of basketball that we're watching. And they're so confident right now. They have so much chemistry. They've got something special, but they're playing a very, very good team. That's going to have a hell of a response tonight. I mean, this is going to be the best punch they're going to get out of San Antonio tonight for sure.
Tony Kornheiser
I agree. I'll get you out of here on one thing. And it's totally, it's a projection by me. And I'm asking you because you played in the league and you know how this works. It's one thing to drop into New York as a Western Conference team and play one game and get, get out and maybe go to Philadelphia or Boston or something like that. It's another thing to be in New York for three or four days. Know that you have to play two games and they're separated by a day off and you're in New York and you're in Madison Square Garden and it ain't San Antonio. It's really different. Do you think that would have any sort of effect, you know, on psychological impact on the Spurs?
Tim Legler
I don't necessarily think the way that you laid it out, just, you know, being in New York for that long period of time, playing back to back games. Not necessarily. I do think, though, you're on to something in this regard. This is a very young team. They're going through this for the first time. They've got some guys are 22 years old and younger going through it, and that environment that they're going to walk into starting on Monday night is going to be unlike anything they're going to see in the postseason. Oklahoma City is an incredible difficult place to go in a game as well.
Tony Kornheiser
Not the Garden.
Tim Legler
Unbelievable environment. But the Garden right now is manic. There's no other word for it.
Marv Albert
It's manic.
Tim Legler
And they are starved. And they can now sense they think they've got a championship team so that we're all, we're all saying it, man. With the Garden on Monday night, it's going to be wild look, the environment here was great, too. So San Antonio, obviously, they got to do everything they can to get this even. And, man, are we going to set the stage for a Monday night that is going to be unlike very many that have ever taken place in the Garden.
Tony Kornheiser
Absolutely. All right, Enjoy all of it and thank you so much for being on and we will see you later on pti. Thank you.
Tim Legler
Of course, Tony. Anytime, Tim Wegler.
Tony Kornheiser
It's just fabulous. We will have email and jingle when we return. I'm Tony Kornheiser. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser Show.
Jeff Brick
Here comes Tony, Tony's mail bag.
Tony Kornheiser
Got your email, faxes and your notes.
Nigel
Here comes Tony's mail bag.
Marv Albert
Gonna read some for all you folks.
Jeff Brick
Hey, Tony, come on, come on. Hey, Tony, read that mail now, baby.
Tony Kornheiser
Everybody knows that's my favorite, right? Everybody knows that hot pink hangover. The late, great hot pink hangover. Because they broke up. Yeah, they broke up. You want to do the Bethesda bagel? They had hot bagels again. Yeah, Time after time.
Michael
Always excited about the hot bagels. Just go to Bethesda Bagels.com for the location in the DC area nearest you. Then pop on in and you'll be thrilled. And it's a little palooza this weekend. There's, I believe there's golf going on as we speak right now. Tonight there was a gathering at Toby Clark's house, the Zoo at noon tomorrow and Saturday, followed by a gathering at Mo's house and then at Comet Ping Pong. A toast to the Post.
Tony Kornheiser
So very nice. Hope they all have a wonderful time. They've come from distance.
Michael
Yes.
Tony Kornheiser
Hope they all have a wonderful check out.
Nigel
Politics and pros.
Michael
Oh, yes, right.
Nigel
The bike outside.
Michael
Yeah.
Tony Kornheiser
Before we get to the mailbag, let me just say your everlasting summer, you can see it fading fast. So you grab a piece of something that you think is going to last well, you wouldn't even know a diamond if you held it in your hand these things you think are precious I can't understand Are you reeling in the ears? Slowing away the time? Are you gathering up the tears? Have you had enough of mine? That's Steely Dan. They were the smartest people ever. Their lyrics. They were the smartest people ever. Honestly, you know, they're wonderful. Thanks to our guests today, Marv Albert and Tim Legler. Thanks as well to today's sponsors. Remember, you can listen to us on Apple podcast Spotify in Odyssey. If you get the show through Apple, please leave us a review. This is a Great email from Dave Delk, David Delkin, Willingness, West Virginia, whose wife torched him the other day, if you remember. Here we go. Dear Mr. Tony, on Wednesday show, you read an email from the woman to whom I am currently related by marriage, in which, under the auspices of celebrating our eldest daughter's Peabody Award, she crushes me for being cheap. And you got a tremendous chuckle out of it. What gives, Grandpa? I've listened to you for years and try to follow your frugal ways, like holding onto clothes forever questioning every utility bill charge and buying oversized socks and bulk. And now you turn on a fellow cheapskate. It makes me question everything now. Are you even bald? Are you really orange? Have I been shaving my head and self applying spray tans for nothing? It's a brilliant email. Completely brilliant. From Scott Garcia in Durham, North Carolina. Well, I will not deny that Mother Teresa and Oprah rank higher on the excitement scale. The discussion of commencement speakers reminds me of my graduation from chapel hill in 1999, when a member of the greatest nick team of all time, Bill Bradley, spoke to a sea of hungover Tar Heels in Kenan Stadium. His speech should be remembered today for his charge that the biggest and most ultimate challenge posed to citizens in a democracy is to ask yourselves what you owe another human being. However, my lasting memory is of my parents. You might think that being a history and politics junkie, my dad would have been over the moon about this speaker. But that was all lost when he was seated. You see, my parents are deaf. And unlike me, who got to view the ceremony from half a mile away in the stands, they were seated on the field by the stage. Seated next to the ASL interpreter was none other than Dean Smith. Ask my dad anything about graduation. It comes down to one thing. He was seated right in front of the legendary Dean Smith. They did not shake hands or meet. But much like the woman whom I'm related to by marriage, who swears that Art Garfunkel pointed directly at her during a rendition of for Emily in 2005.
Tim Legler
Wow.
Tony Kornheiser
There was a glance that will forever seal the bond between Dean and Michael. Dad. Also, I graduated that day. It's a wonderful email, Catherine. Hello, Mr. Tony. This is your Aran island sweater expert here writing to you a second time after hearing you mention the new stick sunscreen Lazy Face. I wanted to explore the product more because I am quite sadly allergic to ultraviolet light, my only allergy. So sunshine is my mortal enemy. I thought you would like to know that the website carries both a stick sunscreen and a Lotion sunscreen so they address your preferences as well as Michael's for his wriggling four year old. While the product is called Lazy Face, I emailed the company was assured that one can use the product as a full body sunscreen. I told him I heard about their product through the Tony Kornheiser podcast to which I listen every day describing you as a passionate yet somewhat frustrated golfer. You can find their products@lazyface.com I hope you find this information helpful. I only Wish There were Mr. Tony Code to use. And it's from Catherine. Isn't that very nice?
Michael
That is nice.
Nigel
Do you know Collins caddy yesterday?
Tony Kornheiser
I assume it's Alex.
Nigel
Alex.
Tony Kornheiser
I assume Alex out with him today again. Yeah, Alex 10 of I assume was
Nigel
no one knows those greens better.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. Jason Birnbaum I am a longtime fan and fellow alum of Suny Binghamton 1976. I must correct your recent segment on Billy Cunningham being an Erasmus all alumni along with Barbra Streisand and Neil Diamond. While Neil diamond did attend Erasmus for two years, he graduated from Abraham Lincoln High School as a graduate of link in 1972. I cannot let such an egregious era stand. Okay, that's fair. I didn't know that.
Michael
So he attended Erasmus.
Tony Kornheiser
He attended Erasmus but graduated.
Michael
So who else was.
Marv Albert
Who was it?
Michael
Streisand Anew?
Tony Kornheiser
I don't. Well, Billy Cunningham. Oh yeah, you know, it's pretty good.
Michael
Yeah.
Tony Kornheiser
From Bill Matfeld, who emails us all the time and we love his emails. Ten years ago, I was on what you might call an extended vacation while seeking other opportunities. So I had time on my hands. I was still living in Florida and the Nats were in town. Since most games on Thursday are day games, I decided to go see the Nats at Marlins park one Thursday afternoon. You're absolutely right when you say you can pick your own seats. Even though by this point it was easy to buy tickets through an app for the Marlins, it's just as easy to go up to the box office. First, there's no line because as you said, nobody goes. Second, I bought a front row ticket off the third base for $20. No app is going to beat that. It was so quiet inside the stadium, you were afraid to raise your voice out of respect for the people three sections over who fell asleep. The Nets lost that game, but I got to see Ichiro play for the Marlins and that was a treat. That's what it's like to go to a weekday matinee game in Miami from Bobby Godfrey it's that time of the year. Monday, June 8th is the longest day in golf. The final of the US Open. Qualifying as usual, Woodmont will be hosting as hopefuls play 36 holes on the north course. That's the hard one.
Nigel
Yep. Tournament course.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
Nigel
Any big names?
Tony Kornheiser
I'm reading the email. For the fourth year in a row, I will be a walking scorer for the afternoon session. Last year I got to walk 18 holes with a group that included Stuart Sink, which was a true highlight. I don't yet know what golfers will be at Woodmont this year, nor do I know who I will be walking with. But that's not what this email is about. I want to recommend people come watch. Spectators can attend for free. It's open to the public. I encourage any local Littles or Bigs for that matter. Come check it out. It's always a thrilling day as pros and amateurs alike attempt to qualify to play in a major championship. If you, if anyone does come out to Woodmont, please try to find me and give me a hearty Lecheserie.
Nigel
And definitely take a look at the south course because the following month they'll be hosting the U.S. adaptive Open.
Tony Kornheiser
Yes. Which is a wonderful thing. And we will attend that. We will try to attend that. By the way, it's also free to go to the Maryland AM today at Columbia. Go out and see. Yeah. Go to the shack, say hi to George and Z. Sure. I mean, why wouldn't you do it?
Nigel
Hit the green, get an ice cream, you know.
Michael
Do you get access to the pool as well?
Tony Kornheiser
No, you don't get pool pond. You don't get access to the pool. But you can jump in at 16. Sure. To a pond.
Nigel
Gotta watch out for the snakes.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. So, yeah, there are a lot of snakes. They sun themselves on the rocks.
Michael
Yeah, they love to do that, don't they?
Marv Albert
Yeah.
Tony Kornheiser
From Tom Mule, the official sunrise and sunset monitor for the Tony Kornheiser show. And Chuck and Roxy387. Since you mentioned sunrises on the pod earlier this week, it is indication it's time to email you again. Sunrises have been getting earlier and earlier since January 5th. The earliest sunrise will be around June 13th at 5:42am in the DC area. June 7th through the 20th, we'll have sunrises in the 5:42 minute. Don't worry, June 21st will still be the longest day with 14 hours, 53 minutes and 52 seconds of daylight. Sunsets will continue to get later for just a little bit longer. They've been getting longer since Dec. 7 in the D.C. area. The latest sunset will be around June 28 at 8:37pm Sunsets will be in the 837 minute between June 22 and July 3 before starting to go down even more. I will email again in about six months when we approach the winter solstice. This is I I love that email. I'm the one.
Nigel
I do.
Tony Kornheiser
Ed Waldman Fulton, Maryland the second time was just as great as the first. Last Saturday was the second time I've been lucky enough to play at Augusta National. As a little background the week after the club closes to members, Augusta national employees employees get to make a foursome and my daughter in law, the director of Club operations, Humble Bragg, invited me to play. We started our day at 6:30am at the store where everything is half off for employee play day, including the much sought after gnomes and the 550 Limited Edition Masters putters. The credit card got a little work out there, hit the tournament practice range, got an insiders tour of the grounds and the new buildings, then headed to the par three course. Unfortunately, I used up most of my good shots there, had four, five pars, three bogeys and a double. Very happy about that. Tee time for the big course was 1157 and let's just say I stunk. Actually did hit a few good shots, but way more really bad ones. No bib six, but I was close once or twice. But a bad day playing 27 holes at Augusta national beats a great day just about anywhere else, including my 50th high school reunion, which I missed for this. Attached for the news channel 8 viewers is a picture of our foursome on the Hogan Bridge at Amen Corner. As always, thanks so much to you and Michael and Nigel for all you do. And it's a lovely picture. And you know, not only should we all be envious, we should all be happy. Yes, we should all be happy for them.
Marv Albert
Happy.
Nigel
And I love hearing these stories.
Tony Kornheiser
What a nice thing that Augusta national does. Yeah, what a nice thing that is from Michael Granberry. With San Antonio hosting Games 1 and 2 in the NBA Finals, it's striking to see what's happening 3055 miles to the north in Dallas, specifically American Airlines center, where the Dallas Mavericks and Dallas Stars have played their home games since 2001. But now, as it turns out, for not much longer when it comes to sports, downtown Dallas has had a kind of week that Roberto Duran had in the ring with Sugar Ray Leonard, a no mosque kind of week in the span of two days, Monday and Tuesday, downtown Dallas lost both the Mavericks and the Stars, who announced that when their leases expire in 2031, they will each pull out of downtown Dallas at and ply their trade elsewhere. The Mavericks, who managed to lose both Jalen Brunson and Luka Doncic to other teams for in effect nothing, apparently got tired of negotiating with the powers that be in downtown Dallas and announced plans to buy and redevelop an abandoned mall site 12 miles north of downtown because they so want to build a casino on a site that will yield them 100 acres. But in a state where casino gambling is currently illegal, the Mavericks said sayonara to downtown. Blackjack, anyone? The next day, the Stars announced that they will leave downtown Dallas to build a new state of the art arena just for themselves in suburban Plano on a plot of land where a luxury mall never once reached expectations. The only problem with this one, guys, is that the Stars new arena will be two blocks from my house. So my later years, I guess I can look forward to parking the cars of hockey fans right there in my front yard. 50 bucks a car. Sports fans. Little will of course get a discount from Ryan Grove in Florida. Falling Waters, West Virginia. Can I join the new game of naming your future potato chip flavors for your incoming potato crop? May I also suggest La Cheeserie, Cheddar and sour cream, Hocus pocus junk dill pickle and see Captain Tony's crab. P.S. tell the legend Brett Hobbs and his son Jacob to eat it. From Steve the Sycophant. As a coda to that phrase, the answer to all your questions is. Let me note that some of Jim Brown's high school records. Rushing average 4. 14.9 yards per carry. That's it. How's that, kids? Basketball scoring average 39.6 per game, plus pitching two no hitters in baseball. As far as lacrosse is concerned, I quote an old army buddy of mine who had to play against Jim Brown. You prayed he'd fake and go around you because if he wanted to run through you, he did. Best athlete of all time. I'd have heard of you. Oh, yeah. He was the greatest lacrosse player of all time. Yes, in high school. This is the great. He didn't play it in college.
Michael
And the greatest running back of all time.
Nigel
Of all time.
Tony Kornheiser
Of all time. He's it. Long Island Zone. Jeff from Moncton. I've been. I'm writing this email having just left the incredible show put on by the incomparable Dan Byrne at the Manor Mill in beautiful downtown Moncton Maryland. From credibly claiming to have made the quarterfinals of the French Open to leading the audience in a rousing sing along of the year by year home run totals of Barry Bonds, Dan put on his usual bravado, performance of astonishing songwriting and intriguing, intelligent wacky patter between songs. The guy is a genius. Dan Burton. That's it. That's list. Yes. Yes, he's a genius. Yes, he is.
Michael
By the way, I looked up some of the other notable alumni from Erasmus who it's astonishing. Roger Khan, Boys of Summer.
Tim Legler
Yeah.
Michael
Al Davis.
Tony Kornheiser
Oh, Al Davis, the owner of the Raiders.
Jeff Brick
Yeah.
Michael
Clive Davis, the great music producer. Yep. Mo Howard from the Three Stooges.
Tony Kornheiser
Three Stooges.
Michael
Doug.
Marv Albert
Mo.
Nigel
Doug, Mo.
Tony Kornheiser
Yes. Great coach for.
Michael
Great player for a long time. Mae West, May. Mickey Spillane, Waite Hoyt, who is a Hall of Fame pitcher on the 27 Yankees. Jerry Reinsdorf and actor Eli Wallach.
Tim Legler
Yeah.
Tony Kornheiser
And there's.
Michael
I'm leaving a ton out.
Tony Kornheiser
Wow. Erasmus Hall.
Jeff Brick
Wow.
Michael
Doing well.
Tony Kornheiser
From Steve Gilmore, who writes. Dear Potato Captain, congratulations on your loan. I'm going to take a nap. When I wake up, $32,000 is on the table. I'll know I have a partner. If it isn't, I'll know I don't. It's brilliant. Reese in London. You're right, Dr. Hoffoff. People in Australia won't be interested in Washington Nationals news. They're just tuning in for the traffic updates in various Midwest cities. I'll hang up and listen just in case I need to navigate St. Louis in the future. And from Justin Johnson in Arlington, Virginia. My entire life, I've never liked coleslaw, but I had some this past weekend and actually really enjoyed it. And if you're on your bike tonight, do wear white. Let's try this. Your line, just say it as I say it.
Tim Legler
Say your line exactly as I'm about to.
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, sure.
Marv Albert
Would that it were so simple.
Tony Kornheiser
Would that it were so simple.
Jeff Brick
Our love is more than the mountain and less than the stone Better together by being alone can't design it or resign it but it's home after we met on the bench I kept your number saved on my myself Something about the way you touched my shoulder I could tell and decided we collided pretty well I love
Marv Albert
this one.
Jeff Brick
In the ocean and let's learn the song. It's nobody's business and nobody's fine See it rising and rising by the fire. There's a distance in between. What we say and what we mean. Spending mil searching magazines Is this really how it's always gotta me I remember this morning. It's hard to remember. Every moment I come home Of a dream. Yeah, It's more than the mountain and less than a stone. Or a zombie but it's home. He said that he would love me as long as I love him In a basement of the fortified auxiliary gym Tornado sirens screaming and lightning on the ground we both held on so tightly to the storm that we'd found to the storm that we found to the
Marv Albert
storm
Jeff Brick
that we found it was all around. Cookie said a marriage is written in the stars and covergirl foundation will minimize the scars those nights we burned electric and drive down the shore with the doctors no for knocking in the backseat door it was there in the door Right there in the door to work
Marv Albert
good
Jeff Brick
was it for. And everyone says sorry. For the things they didn't say. And everyone so guilty but they knew some boys are born too gone to be saved he said that he would love me as long as I love him in the basement in the fortified auxiliary jam Sam. Ram.
Episode Title: “Yes!”
Date: June 5, 2026
Host: Tony Kornheiser
Guests: Marv Albert, Tim Legler
Producer/Crew: Michael, Nigel
This episode of The Tony Kornheiser Show highlights Tony's signature blend of sports analysis, storytelling, and personal anecdotes. The main segments include a nostalgic and lively interview with legendary broadcaster Marv Albert, focusing on the history and present state of the New York Knicks. NBA analyst Tim Legler joins for a detailed breakdown and preview of Game 2 of the NBA Finals, zeroing in on the performances of Jalen Brunson and Victor Wembanyama. The episode also serves the usual fare of golf updates, listener mail, and the show’s distinctive banter.
“If I can’t get red zone, I’m out of cable…there’s two things I want. I want the Gnats, and I want the red zone.” – Tony Kornheiser (03:44)
“If it were so easy, somebody of the 125 plus players would have broken par. Nobody did.” – Tony Kornheiser (07:12)
“That’s a very interesting rule that I was unaware of, that if you challenge and you lose, there is pain.” – Tony Kornheiser (09:42)
“Bernie Wolf says that. Yeah, it’s the worst lead in hockey.” – Tony Kornheiser (10:49)
“I started on radio…it was in the late 60s. I was extremely young at the time…that was a great break for me.” – Marv Albert (13:19)
“They won in 70, they won in 73, and they have not won since. Did you ever think it would take this long…” – Tony Kornheiser (14:02)
“Jalen Brunson has become one of the best players in the NBA. In fact, I would say that’s the Knicks best acquisition since Dave DeBusschere back in 1968.” – Marv Albert (15:57)
“He has the tenacity of Willis and he has my cool.” – Walt Frazier, as quoted by Tony (16:36)
“Here comes Willis…the crowd went crazy…as he walked onto the floor, took a couple of jump shots…never anything like it.” – Marv Albert (17:27)
“Basketball is…the most significant sport in New York City…a win now…it would be huge.” – Marv Albert (24:22)
“So I would stick it to Wilbon…that it would bother him so much.” – Tony Kornheiser (26:08) “Is he still in his trailer?” – Marv Albert (26:16) “He's in a van. It's really scary.” – Tony Kornheiser (26:18)
“Karl Anthony Towns…was so good in this game at closing down the space on Wembanyama and then not fouling him…as good a defensive job as I’ve seen…” – Tim Legler (28:50)
“The Knicks outscored the Spurs in the paint 50 to 42. That’s never supposed to happen.” – Tony Kornheiser (15:29, echoed later at 31:55) “Going into this game, the Knicks were number one in the NBA in the postseason, 53 points per game in the paint…” – Tim Legler (32:22)
“The guy is so good under pressure…I don’t think there’s anybody in the league right now…that is more certain of themselves in those situations than Jalen Brunson is.” – Tim Legler (36:24)
“One of the reasons I like Wembanyama so much is that he accepts criticism and is also honestly, self-critical…” – Tony Kornheiser (33:53)
“These are two teams…it’s going to be a great, great game tonight and San Antonio is going to clean some things up.” – Tim Legler (38:33)
“That environment that they’re going to walk into starting on Monday night is going to be unlike anything they’re going to see in the postseason…The Garden right now is manic.” – Tim Legler (40:56) “It’s manic.” – Marv Albert (40:56)
“Are you reeling in the years…that’s Steely Dan. They were the smartest people ever.” – Tony Kornheiser (42:46)
On Red Zone and Cable TV:
“If I can’t get red zone, I’m out of cable.” – Tony Kornheiser (03:44)
On Knicks Drought:
“Did you ever think it would take this long, that maybe they would get another one?” – Tony Kornheiser to Marv Albert (14:02)
On Brunson as a Knick:
“That acquisition is the most significant since the DeBusschere deal…[Brunson] may become one of the greatest acquisitions of all time.” – Marv Albert (23:03)
On MSG Playoff Atmosphere:
“The Garden right now is manic.” – Tim Legler (40:56)
On Wembanyama:
“One of the reasons I like Wembanyama so much is that he accepts criticism and is also honestly, self-critical, not phony like a lot of guys.” – Tony Kornheiser (33:53) “I’m shocked if he’s not very aggressive in the first quarter…that has usually been his response after a loss…” – Tim Legler (35:54)
| Time | Segment/Topic | |-----------|---------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00 | Show open, episode preview, cable/Red Zone rant | | 05:26 | Maryland Amateur Golf discussion | | 07:29 | Hockey: Game recap, challenge penalty rule, 2-0 lead analysis | | 13:19 | Marv Albert interview begins | | 15:29 | Knicks-Spurs breakdown, Wembanyama performance | | 16:36 | Walt Frazier’s quote about Brunson | | 17:05 | Willis Reed Game 7 retelling (greatest Knicks moment) | | 23:03 | Marv on Brunson as key Knicks acquisition | | 24:13 | Knicks vs. Jets in New York sports importance | | 26:36 | Transition to Tim Legler, NBA Finals preview | | 28:50 | Legler on Towns defending Wembanyama | | 31:55 | Knicks’ paint scoring advantage | | 33:53 | Tony on Wembanyama’s self-awareness | | 36:24 | Legler on Brunson’s mental toughness | | 38:33 | Series outlook/predictions | | 40:56 | The ‘manic’ atmosphere at MSG | | 41:40 | Listener emails and close |
This episode is a treat for fans of classic New York sports, NBA Finals junkies, and anyone drawn to storied voices like Marv Albert. The basketball analysis is sharp and conversational, Tony’s personality shines, and there’s ample wit and nostalgia throughout. Marv’s reminiscences and Legler’s granular breakdowns offer both emotional and procedural depth to Knicks fandom and the broader NBA dialogue.
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