“4 Triples”

Summary

The Tony Kornheiser Show – “4 Triples”

Episode Date: June 1, 2026

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Episode Theme

This episode blends Tony's signature blend of sports, personal anecdotes, listener emails, and a rotating cast of familiar show friends. The main focus is banter about persistent scam calls and data privacy, recaps of weekend golf adventures, deep dives into the NBA Finals (with a particular focus on the ascendant San Antonio Spurs and Victor Wembanyama), a hearty discussion of the Washington Nationals’ surprising stretch, and the ever-present challenge of booking guests during big sports weeks. Regulars Michael Wilbon and Nigel join for an episode light on structured interviews but rich in camaraderie, typical Tony asides, and insight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Scam Calls and Data Privacy

• Tony’s Frustration with Loan Scams
  Tony vents about being bombarded by unsolicited offers for large loans. He recounts calling the numbers back to tell them to stop, only to find this can make things worse. Listeners quickly chime in with similar stories and advice.

  “I am not alone in this. I had people at Columbia yesterday say they heard this and the same thing happens to them. But they said, don't call them.”
  — Tony Kornheiser (00:47)

• Why These Calls Happen
  Michael Wilbon reads a listener email (from Alex in Harrisburg, PA), explaining that credit bureaus are now legally permitted to sell consumers' info, leading to an uptick in scam calls.

  “The big three credit bureaus are now legally allowed to sell your information to anyone they want at any time. So that's what lobbyists do... they ruin your life.”
  — Michael Wilbon (02:26)

• Opting Out
  Opting out at optoutprescreen.com can help, though the online version only lasts five years; the mail-in lasts forever.

  “Once you input your information, every piece of your information should be removed from their sales list within five business days.”
  — Michael Wilbon (03:07)

  Advice is shared about blocking spam calls and not responding to unfamiliar callers, lest voice data be misused by scammers using AI.

  “The new scam today is to get you to have a conversation, especially one where you are showing the emotion because your voice is being recorded and they are using AI on the back end to replicate your voice...”
  — Listener’s email read by Michael Wilbon (54:35)

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2. Weekend Golf Chat

• Recap of Charles Schwab Tournament
  Tony discusses watching the Charles Schwab golf tournament at Colonial, rooted for Eric Cole (“his mother is Laura Baugh!”) and recaps how Russell Henley won in thrilling fashion with birdie streaks down the stretch.

  “Russell Henley on 16, 17 and 18 had birdies and he went from minus nine to minus 12. So now he's in a playoff on 18 and he birdies it and he wins. So it's birdie, birdie, birdie, birdie. You're not doing any better than that.” — Tony Kornheiser (10:19)

• Personal Game Recaps
  Tony’s own golf weekend: struggles in the sand (“nine traps in 10 holes!”), four triples, but also four pars—ending up about a 92.

  “I had four triples. And when I say give me a triple, it means I got higher than that... 1, 6, 7, and 12. 12's eating me up lately. It's the last par five.”
  — Tony Kornheiser (14:05)

• Golf Accessories Talk
  Discussion of Lazy Face sunscreen, the problem with lotion for golfers, and the virtues of black rain gloves for value and grip.

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3. Special Family Moments

• Wilbon’s Son Graduates from Gonzaga
  Michael Wilbon shares memories from his son Matthew's graduation, held at St Aloysius Church—an atmosphere described as “both Catholic and very Catholic, but also something that seems unique to that institution.” (20:24-24:30)

• Listener Family Baseball Anecdotes
  Conversation about a young boy getting into pitching and inadvertently breaking a window—a moment emblematic of parenthood and summer.

  “At first you sit there surprised, but you're just like, it's just one of those moments, like the fact that you're out there with your boy...”
  — Nigel (17:17)

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4. NBA Finals, Spurs, and Knicks

• Wembanyama’s Arrival and Spurs-Finals Discussion
  Wilbon marvels at Victor Wembanyama's immediate impact, comparing his emergence to legends like Kareem and Magic:

  “This kid...is already the face of the NBA. And anybody who...can get out of the space between [i95 and i5], you can know that he's already the worldwide face of this sport.”
  — Michael Wilbon (29:11)

• Knicks’ Legacy and Finals Preview
  Tony outlines why it’s foolish to crown Jalen Brunson as the “greatest Knick ever” with one potential title—insisting the legends (Willis Reed, Walt Frazier, etc.) still reign.

  “Anyone who goes on television or radio or podcast...and says that if Jalen Brunson were to win a championship, he would be the greatest Knick of all time. Anybody who says that is a fool.”
  — Tony Kornheiser (40:56) He expresses cautious optimism about the Knicks’ matchup with the Spurs.

  “I think the Knicks are much more fortunate in drawing the Spurs than drawing Oklahoma City... I think that's an advantage that the Knicks have if they play well.” — Tony Kornheiser (42:23)

• Behind the Scenes: Failed Guest Booking
  A comedic rundown of trying (and failing) to land Remnick, Breen, Marv Albert, Costas, and Jeremy Schaap as Knicks guests—underscoring both Tony’s connection to media royalty and the unpredictability of podcast scheduling.

  "We’re 0 for 5. We take the collar. Pretty good starting five.”
  — Tony Kornheiser & Nigel (37:56)

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5. Washington Nationals Deep Dive

• Recent Team Surge
  Tony and Nigel discuss the Nats’ unexpected run—taking series from Atlanta, Cleveland, and San Diego—and the peculiar, lucky, but fun baseball being played.

  “On Saturday, the Nats won... bottom of the seventh, the Nats scored six runs. They had one big league hit. Everything after that was either a hit by pitch, a walk, an odd defensive lapse... And they got six runs.”
  — Tony Kornheiser (44:17)

• Player Highlights
  KBERT Ruiz’s improved play, versatile lineups, and whether the team is “authentically good” or just exciting for now.

• Fun Factor
  Tony gushes about texting broadcaster Dan Kolko during games and wonders aloud if a .500 season is possible.

  “Are they authentically good? Are they... could they actually finish .500?” — Tony Kornheiser (46:26)

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6. Listener Mail, Show Traditions, and Miscellany

• From potato chip flavor names to telemarketing revenge strategies, the mailbag is a blend of humor, nostalgia, and practical advice.
• Advice against talking to scam callers, stories from newspaper delivery routes, and reminders for summer traditions.
• Amusing debate about the proper wound ointment:

  “Neosporin is now the devil. No. Aquaphor. Use Aquaphor.”
  — Tony Kornheiser (60:14)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Tony on Unsubscribing from Spam Emails:

  “Why are you offering me the chance to unsubscribe if you will not allow the unsubscription memo to go through and now this is being sold. All my stuff is being sold all over the place.”
  (04:17)

• On Trying to Book Guests:

  “Let's get Costas... He Sundays, I'm in St. Louis. I'm traveling in the morning. I'd love to do it, but I'm traveling in the morning. Okay, so we know Remnick, no Breen, no Marv. No Costas.” (37:19)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Scam Call Rant & Data Privacy: 00:16–04:40
• Golf Tournament & Personal Rounds: 06:06–14:17
• Family Stories (Graduation, Baseball): 20:07–24:30
• NBA Finals, Wembanyama, Knicks: 27:10–43:13
• Nats Baseball Deep Dive: 43:24–48:30
• Listener Mail & Miscellany: 51:08–60:07

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Tone & Language

Tony remains self-deprecating, wry, and curmudgeonly—with warmth for his friends, humor about his failings (“I'm old now, but I had a good time of course”), and passionate, sometimes exasperated takes on the news and sports of the week.

Wilbon brings depth and perspective to sports topics, especially basketball, and isn’t shy with strong—always informed—opinions.

Nigel and guests provide friendly ribbing and local flavor.

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Episode Takeaway

If you want a show that feels like coffee with old friends—equal parts sports debate, kvetching over modern life nuisances (from scams to sunscreen), and deep nostalgia—this episode is Tony and crew at their best. For sports fans, the NBA Finals and Nats coverage are highlights, while even non-listeners will recognize the delight in “four triples” and the agony of finding a good guest—or avoiding a scam call.

Transcript

[Tony Kornheiser]

Hey, it's Tony. On today's show, we will talk to

[Michael Wilbon]

Michael Wilbon about who he likes in the NBA finals. And since Nigel couldn't be bothered to

[Tony Kornheiser]

book a second guest, who knows what

[Michael Wilbon]

else we'll do on the show.

[Tony Kornheiser]

But first, commerce.

[Show Announcer]

Previously on the Tony Kornheiser show.

[Tony Kornheiser]

One other thing, too. I am now getting blind phone calls from people who are in the loan business. My phone. They call and leave messages. Yes, you've been approved for a $32,000 loan. Just call.

[Nigel]

Nice. Good for you.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, I don't want.

[Nigel]

Credit's going up.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't want these. So I call back. Oh, no, I did. I called back and I said, you have to leave me alone.

[Show Announcer]

The Tony Kornheiser show is on now.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I am not alone in this. I had people at Columbia yesterday say they heard this and the same thing happens to them. But they said, don't call them.

[Guest or Producer]

They don't call.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Don't call them.

[Nigel]

Phone a friend.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, yeah, don't call them.

[Michael Wilbon]

Speaking of which, I mean, some of the things that we've talked about recently. This is from Matthew in St. Paul. He writes. Good afternoon, gentlemen. The New York Times subscription process works every year with the same account, email repeatedly. I set a reminder on my phone for about every 350 days. I simply cancel and take advantage the 499 monthly offer.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So I'm gonna do that this week. I'm gonna cancel and see if they

[Michael Wilbon]

give me another offer.

[Nigel]

I feel like I try. This always does. Yeah, I tried it with the Wall Street Journal. It did not get the same offer. Yeah, I had to change household emails to good one.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So I'll. I'll see. I'll try it. Because they went from $5 to $32 basically overnight.

[Guest or Producer]

That's quite a jump.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I mean, it just.

[Frank]

Really.

[Nigel]

Well, especially when you're not even getting the athletic.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't. Because I can't. I sign up and it never goes through. So. Yes, it's really stinks.

[Michael Wilbon]

Also from Alex Robinson in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

[Tony Kornheiser]

For those of you who don't know, that is the capital Pennsylvania, is it not?

[Michael Wilbon]

Harrisburg?

[Guest or Producer]

I always thought it was Philadelphia, but you're.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, it's. Not. Certainly not Philadelphia.

[Guest or Producer]

Well, not from your country, your capital.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Certainly not. Philadelphia isn't the capital of Pen, Pennsylvania.

[Michael Wilbon]

Harrisburg.

[Nigel]

Yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Which is sort of in the eastern quadrant of the state, but not near the border.

[Michael Wilbon]

Hi, Tony.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I work at a community bank in the mortgage department.

[Michael Wilbon]

These calls offering credit are a huge problem. Our members have been dealing with Also, thanks to some recent changes in the last few years and some great lobbyists, the big three credit bureaus are now legally allowed to sell your information to

[Tony Kornheiser]

anyone they want at any time. So that's what lobbyists do.

[Michael Wilbon]

They ruin your life.

[Nigel]

That's exactly when they're not playing golf.

[Tony Kornheiser]

When they're not playing golf, they ruin your life. There is one site we use that should help get rid of these calls. Go to opt out prescreen.com. fill out all the information there. Opt out prescreen.com is a website jointly

[Michael Wilbon]

run by Equifax, Experian and TransUnion.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You can opt out of them selling your information. It will ask for personal information like

[Michael Wilbon]

your date of birth, Social Security number, if you have a loan or credit card of any kind.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They already have all of that information. So you don't need to worry about

[Michael Wilbon]

it being stolen or anything else.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They use it to verify it's you

[Michael Wilbon]

who's really putting in this request. Once you input your information, every piece of your information should be removed from their sales list within five business days.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I always recommend to do the opt

[Michael Wilbon]

out online, which gets the process started immediately but only lasts for five years.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I then recommend you do the other option which allows you to opt out via mail.

[Michael Wilbon]

You have to print and sign a document and mail it to them, but

[Tony Kornheiser]

that will opt you out forever.

[Michael Wilbon]

Honestly, everyone associated with the show should consider doing this. Even if you aren't currently getting calls, you will soon.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's crazy how they can just sell

[Michael Wilbon]

your information to anyone who wants it and then you get completely bombarded with calls. We've had members get 50 plus calls

[Tony Kornheiser]

in one day before I am getting hundreds of years.

[Nigel]

Would you try the online version of this or would you wait for the mail in? I think I'd wait for the mail in.

[Michael Wilbon]

I would like to do the mail in because it's opt out forever. I'd like to do it. So I don't know. I don't know how to do any of these things, but I know that I continue to get calls and I continue to get.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Even when it says click here to unsubscribe, I continue to get emails from mailer Damon.

[Michael Wilbon]

Is that how it's pronounced?

[Nigel]

Shadow box?

[Tony Kornheiser]

You can't click out of it and they say we couldn't. Your email didn't go through. So why are you offering me.

[Nigel]

Here, give us another one.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Why are you offering me the chance to unsubscribe if you will not allow the unsubscription memo to go through and now this is being sold. All my stuff is being sold all over the place.

[Guest or Producer]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's just. It's ridiculous and it's just annoying beyond comprehension. So there ought to be a law.

[Michael Wilbon]

There isn't a law.

[Tony Kornheiser]

There ought to be a law.

[Michael Wilbon]

That's just very.

[Guest or Producer]

There probably was one. The lobbyist came in and said, no, you should change that.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's June 1st, so we're in summer now. This is summer.

[Nigel]

This is summer.

[Michael Wilbon]

Right.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It may not feel like summer this morning felt great this morning. But believe me, Thursday. By Thursday, when it's 97 degrees.

[Guest or Producer]

Is that what's happening?

[Michael Wilbon]

Yes.

[Nigel]

We have an extra, I think, 10 minutes to look forward to over the next couple weeks before the solstice.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay. All right. And that's the. That's the worst day of the year

[Michael Wilbon]

because everything is downhill after that. That's. Everything is downhill.

[Nigel]

Enjoy that. Twilight golf was also.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Also a full moon last night. I hope everybody saw it, but it's late. It's tough for the kids because the moon doesn't really rise to, like, 9, 39, 50, something like that.

[Michael Wilbon]

I was long gone before that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

A couple of things. So there was. Once I stopped watching the Nats.

[Michael Wilbon]

I'll talk about the Nats later.

[Tony Kornheiser]

The Nats had a great weekend. I'll talk about the Nats later. Once I stopped watching the Nats, I had nothing to watch because it's not football season and I'm not.

[Michael Wilbon]

I'm sorry.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'm not going to watch college softball.

[Michael Wilbon]

College baseball.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'm not interested in it. I don't have a dog in the race.

[Guest or Producer]

I take it the Bearcats didn't do. I saw they lost 101 to West Virginia.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's fine.

[Guest or Producer]

Is it one and out? Is that how that works?

[Tony Kornheiser]

I think in the regional area it is.

[Michael Wilbon]

It's okay.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You know, we made it.

[Guest or Producer]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Got there.

[Michael Wilbon]

So that's. That's a big win that we got there.

[Nigel]

I will say about both the World Series for the College World Series for baseball and softball. The highlight package, if you just sit down and watch 10 minutes of what happened in the day, is awesome.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. You get completely caught up. Anyway, so I turned on. I knew there was a golf tournament, and I need to ask Michael this question out loud. This was whispering. This was the Charles Schwab golf tournament in. At Colonial Golf Course, where Ben Hogan was the resident. It looked to me like they had the plaid jackets that I thought were only. Only associated with Hilton Head.

[Nigel]

Yeah. Very similar jacket.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I want that jacket. I want to Wear it on pti. I would wear it. I got a hat. I wear the hat.

[Nigel]

It's like a Sherlock Holmes hat.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, I wear a hat, but I wanted to.

[Nigel]

Yeah, a tartan jacket just screams Texas. Right?

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's what I want. Well, I don't think it screams Texas. I would have thought it screams South Carolina because I thought it was the Hilton Head tournament. But maybe I'm wrong. In any case, I started to watch it. I knew the names on the leaderboard. I didn't have anyone I was particularly interested in. Brian Harmon, who I sometimes follow, was near the leaderboard on Friday, but was out by Saturday and Sunday.

[Michael Wilbon]

Where did he finish?

[Nigel]

I'll pull that up for you.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He was at minus nine and one

[Michael Wilbon]

stroke broke off after Friday.

[Nigel]

Fell a little bit deeper, though, you know, and then he didn't all the way down. He finished a T22.

[Tony Kornheiser]

What was his score?

[Nigel]

Minus 5.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Minus 5. So he was plus on the weekend. Anyway, I'm watching this thing and a

[Nigel]

couple weeks for Justin Thomas.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, how did he do it?

[Nigel]

Finished at minus 8, T13.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay. So I'm watching this thing and I'm intrigued by it just because I have nothing else to watch. It's pretty and all of that. And Nance is doing it, which sort of surprised me. But Nance, you know, went to school.

[Michael Wilbon]

Right. Where did he go to college?

[Nigel]

Houston.

[Michael Wilbon]

He went to Houston.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So he's gonna teammates with Freddie Couples. So he's gonna be interested in Texas golf. Obviously, I think he may be from Texas, but I. I don't know that. I don't know that. In any case, I'm watching it and I'm interested in the guy who's leading. The guy who's leading is Eric Cole. C O L, E. He has not

[Michael Wilbon]

won a tournament before this.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He's not a real big guy. He's sort of slight. And I'm interested in him because I found out a couple of years ago that his mother is Laura Bough, B A U G H who was a great golfer in the 70s and 80s, something like that, and then married Bobby Cole, who was a tour player and

[Michael Wilbon]

maybe won one or two tournaments at

[Tony Kornheiser]

some point along the way. And I found out yesterday from someone else that. From Wilbon, actually, because Wilbon was looking it up that Eric Cole is one of seven children. That's a lot of children. Seven children. So I was rooting for him just because of old time's sake. I've never met him. I never met his mother, but I watched her play. I never met her or anything like that. And he's at minus 12 for basically the entire back nine. And he's. He's okay. He's one up at minus 12 for the entire back nine. Who, who's in? Somebody's in at minus 11.

[Nigel]

Smalley.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, Smalley was still out on the track. Somebody shot 65.

[Nigel]

Meisner and Griffin.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Griffin. Ben Griffin shot 65.

[Nigel]

And so I know Duke, Carolina thing going on there.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, with, with. Yeah, with Smally and with Griffin. Yeah, I would have liked to have

[Michael Wilbon]

seen that if they were in a playoff.

[Tony Kornheiser]

In any case, Cole is maintaining this one shot lead. He gets a birdie opportunity on 17.

[Michael Wilbon]

10ft.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Birdie opportunity, straight putt, it seemed to me. And he missed it left. So he's still at minus 12.

[Nigel]

Did he miss it immediately or just, you know, did it trip?

[Tony Kornheiser]

That was like a bad reader. I don't know. You know, I'm not good at, you

[Michael Wilbon]

know me, I'm a lousy player. I don't know.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I mean, he missed it left, you know, he. But that was. In hindsight, that would have given him the tournament. He would have won the tournament at that point. This guy, Russell Henley, who is a better player, a more prominent player. Russell Henley, I believe was on the Ryder cup team.

[Nigel]

He was. And I believe I'll share something with you about his putting after you tell the next part of the story.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Russell Henley, you know how golf tournaments are sometimes lost and they're sometimes won. Russell Henley on 16, 17 and 18 had birdies and he went from minus nine to minus 12. So now he's in a playoff on 18 and he birdies it and he wins. So it's birdie, birdie, birdie, birdie. You're not doing any better than that.

[Nigel]

Did you see what he did before the playoff with the driver? No balls, teed up, just a total boss move. Just taps it down one hand with the driver to move it maybe just a fraction of an inch, right?

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah, I didn't see that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He's a good player though, right?

[Nigel]

Yes. So what I was going to share with you is he's top 20 strokes gained putting. One of the reasons he was on the Ryder cup was for the putting prowess. Unfortunately, in that deciding match with Shane Lowry, he misses his drive left. Great drive of the golf ball, has the birdie putt. Looks like he has a good chance to make it. It's a small left to right breaker. Does not make it. Shane Lowry goes on to make that putt. That's the Ryder Cup. The reason I was Asking about the previous putt was if you saw with, if you saw with Henley, he lines the ball up so immediately you can see the quality of the strike when it goes end over end with that line rolling straight. You know, it's a match of the strike speed and line. He's in the middle of the first couples. Yeah, these were, these were some left

[Tony Kornheiser]

righters, middle of the cup.

[Guest or Producer]

Just like you, right?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, just like me. Pick the ball up and drop it

[Michael Wilbon]

in the middle of the cup. Speaking of which.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So I played a bunch of golf. It was a lovely weekend.

[Guest or Producer]

Perfect weather.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Just a lovely weekend. I mean yes, Saturday was windy, but it was beautiful.

[Nigel]

You don't like deed outside but this is that, that magical time of year before humidity arrives where it gets to the evening and you sit there going, I could sit outside tonight.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, it was so. It was great.

[Michael Wilbon]

Now Saturday I played with Scott Ugley,

[Tony Kornheiser]

who's a really good player.

[Michael Wilbon]

He's a strong player. Tom St. Maxon.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So we have talked about before father

[Nigel]

practicing for his match.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah. Against you.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So this is the. I'll get to this in a second. And Dr. Frank Spellman was an eye

[Michael Wilbon]

surgeon and, and I was terrible.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I didn't break a hundred. I did not break a hundred. I was so bad. I left shots in the traps. At one point on Saturday, starting at number seven, I was in nine traps in 10 holes. That's really bad.

[Nigel]

It's pretty hard to do.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's really bad. At least it stinks from your teeth.

[Nigel]

You're normally past the traps.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Not anymore.

[Nigel]

Tiger. Proof it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'm old. I'm old now but I had a

[Michael Wilbon]

good time of course.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And as it turns out. Why don't you explain the two man match.

[Nigel]

And this is just. You know, most golf communities have something like this where you and a partner sort of get into a ladder match throughout the season. You have, you know, and every month you have to play your next round. So my friend Tom Strand and I, we are playing Mr. St. Maxins next.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He's getting 15 shots. He just put it on. I watched him on 18. He got on in two at 18. Nobody does that with shots.

[Nigel]

You got to clear him out. You got to get, you got to

[Tony Kornheiser]

finish the match early. You gotta beat em early. So anyway, then the next day, then yesterday I had.

[Nigel]

He's playing with former President Mr. Gallagher. So we have, we have fans top.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's right, that's right. And they're going to demand every shot they can possibly get. They look like the favorites in that match. So Yesterday I played with Jimmy Crilly and with Jed Tenov and Alex Tenno. It was Jed's birthday and Alex is his son.

[Michael Wilbon]

And Alex is a contemporary of yours.

[Nigel]

Good counsel guy.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. And he was very nice.

[Michael Wilbon]

He's a very good player.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I had four triples. And when I say give me a triple, it means I got higher than that.

[Nigel]

But this is a handicap.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Give me a triple.

[Guest or Producer]

Taking it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I had four different triples starting out on one. It's a bad day when you start out on one. You go triple.

[Nigel]

Just want to go back to the box.

[Tony Kornheiser]

1, 6, 7 and 12. 12's eating me up lately. It's a last par five. It's just eating me up. I also had four pars. Well, so I finished like around 92. So I mean, I was fine.

[Nigel]

92 with three triples. Very good.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Four triples. Four triples. Four tripled. So I, you know, I was, I was happy.

[Michael Wilbon]

I was happy with that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And along the way, Alex pulls out of his bag a face stick, you know, a suntan lotion. Oh, sun, sunblock, right. Called lazy face. And he gives me one and he gives Jimmy one. And he says that a friend of his, a guy that he knows. Here it is. Dr. Stephen Kent, double board certified and fellowship trained and Mohs surgeon from Macon, Georgia, started Lazy Face Sunscreen with his

[Michael Wilbon]

younger brother Stuart Kent.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They spent over four years developing this mineral sunscreen. So I'm excited by that because I need sunscreens and lotions all the time. Yeah. This is the stick. I'm personally, I prefer lotion. I preferred because I know how it's going.

[Nigel]

Yeah. But the lotion never gets off your hands. So if you're, if you're trying to reapply golf, this is, this is your grip.

[Tony Kornheiser]

This is the point that Alex made, said golfers don't like the lotion because it's on their hands. And then Alex.

[Nigel]

And the spray doesn't really work.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, they say anything over 30 is a lie when they say it's all

[Nigel]

about, it's all about reapplying.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's 30.

[Dan Byrne]

Oh, really?

[Michael Wilbon]

It's really 30.

[Nigel]

Now what I'm interested with the stick is have you ever tried to apply sunblock to just a writhing four year old?

[Dan Byrne]

No.

[Nigel]

Yeah. So the stick, if you can get this on their face.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So Alex asked me if you were still using the Black Glove.

[Nigel]

Oh, yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And that you always. That's your training.

[Nigel]

So I went to the Black Glove in college when I had to start paying for my own golf gloves. And one Glove would last for, I don't know, an entire year versus having to pay for six leather gloves in the winter. I have to sometimes go to the leather glove because the rain glove does not maintain any grip. If it's, you know, this is a rain glove. You use a rain glove. And the nice thing is this time of year, if it gets, you know, if you get sweaty, if you get like, you know, from a water bottle or anything gets on your hand, it actually, the grip gets better.

[Tony Kornheiser]

How much do they cost? As opposed to regular golf course?

[Nigel]

Probably this a similar price. It's just that it lasts a little bit longer, so. Particularly for days where you're out.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So you're looking to save money.

[Nigel]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Like you do on your.

[Nigel]

What was it taken care of?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, yeah. Like you're.

[Nigel]

So I got a good deal.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

Anyway.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And that's it. I don't really have much to say.

[Michael Wilbon]

I'll get to the Gnats later in

[Tony Kornheiser]

the show and I'll explain to you

[Michael Wilbon]

why we're doing it later in the show.

[Nigel]

Thank you for coming to dinner last night.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It was great.

[Michael Wilbon]

Dinner was. You made hamburgers and.

[Frank]

No.

[Nigel]

So the baby boy boots, he has a birthday. We have three summer birthdays.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes.

[Nigel]

And in preparation for the birthday, his is the second super into baseball and he's gone into pitching.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes.

[Nigel]

So we got him the rebounder and you flip it around, it has a bucket sort of a strike zone. So he goes out there every night and he is, he is doing a simulated game. He's basically doing. Throwing a bullpen session. He's like, I had three strikeouts. Tough two, two count. But I came in with the sweeper. They never catch up, you know, never hit the sweeper. So the other night we're out there playing catch. He opens the front shoulder rifles one one, hops straight into our window first. Broken window.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Broken window.

[Nigel]

And at first you sit there surprised, but you're just like, it's just one of those moments, like the fact that you're out there with your boy and now you're out there watching me grill to see that I've duct taped the window pane.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Looks great.

[Nigel]

But every night after dinner, throw in a bullpen.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I think that's great.

[Nigel]

Love that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

We will take a break.

[Michael Wilbon]

Michael Wilbon will join us. I'm Tony Kornheiser.

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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This is the Tony Korneiser Show.

[Dan Byrne]

I'm Dan byrne playing Tuesday, June 2 at the Manor Mill in Moncton. MONCTON, Moncton, MD. Just a half, half an hour's drive from Baltimore to Moncton. Moncton, Moncton, Maryland. If you never been out to the Manor Mill in Moncton. Moncton, Moncton, Maryland. You'll want to get there early. Cause it's rustic. Rustic. You'll want to walk around. Just to reiterate. Hey, I'm Dan byrne playing Tuesday, June 2 at the Manor Mill in Moncton Mountain, Moncton, Maryland, just half an hour's drive from Baltimore. You can catch Lockin for on terrestrial radio. How about that? See you there. This is not AI.

[Tony Kornheiser]

This is the brilliant Dan Byrne who writes Days on the Road, hearing from no one. Broken by quote the Manor Mill show has low ticket sales.

[Michael Wilbon]

Do something. After my initial response, which, like our

[Tony Kornheiser]

friend Bartleby was to do nothing, I remembered, oh yeah, I can just write a song. Since it sort of pertains to your area, I thought you might enjoy it. And hey, if you or any of the crew travels out to the Manor Mill, I'm sure I can find room. After all, I hear there's low ticket sales.

[Michael Wilbon]

Dan Burtles.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Tomorrow. Yes, tomorrow. Go watch.

[Michael Wilbon]

He's worth it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He plays. Plays in Bartleby the Scrivener. He plays in Michael Wilbon. So let's start with this. Matthew graduated from Gonzaga over the weekend. How was the graduation? Who spoke at the graduation?

[Frank]

Oh, God, I'm not going to have names. I can't remember anybody's name in my own house. But the graduation was extraordinary. I'd never been to Gonzaga graduation. There was really no reason for me to have ever gone before now. But the kids, the boys all 200 and whatever of them were in white tuxedo jackets and tie. And they start off in St Aloysius Church right there at Gonzaga and spill out onto outdoors on a. Brilliant, brilliant. Great.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You got so lucky. You got so lucky on the day,

[Frank]

no doubt, was such a great day. And the graduation, just the marching in. And it's formal. And it's formal in a way that is both Catholic and very Catholic, but also something that seems unique to that institution. And, you know, there were three valedictorians. These kids were extraordinary. I don't know their names. I do know their names. I can't come up with a number.

[Tony Kornheiser]

The tide was T3. They tied.

[Frank]

They tied and playoff.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. Well, don't they go out to the 18th hole for a playoff?

[Frank]

No. No. And the keynote speaker is a. I do know him. I don't. I can't come up with his name right now. He's a Pulitzer Prize winner from the New York Times, who's a Gonzaga alum who covered conflict and war and done real serious journalism in his life and like I said, won a Pulitzer Prize to New York Times. He's probably class. If he's class of 1995, that's 30 years ago. So he's probably about 48 years old, I guess, something like that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So wait a second. So they didn't ask you to speak?

[Frank]

No. Really need to speak. I did not go to Gonzaga, as you might realize.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, I didn't go to Marae, but I spoke at Michael's graduation because many

[Frank]

times that I've spoken. Many times, including two weeks ago at the Father Son Mass, which is exactly where it's honor to have spoken at that. To the same group, except no mothers and daughters and, you know, aunts and, you know, it was. It was the school, the fathers and sons. That's what I care about.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So you're telling me the tradition at Gonzaga is for a graduate to speak? The tradition at Marais was for a parent to speak.

[Frank]

No, not a parent. There are other. There have been other speakers. There's speakers. I'm not versed in Gonzaga's graduation, but I was caught up yesterday with just what they do, the ceremony of what it is the boys do, the young men. Now, I guess most of them are 18. And it was extraordinary. Yesterday was the 50th anniversary of my own high school graduation. Right from St. Ignatius, so from an institution so similar that when Jordan Wilbond sort of got turned around walking in the halls and he got to me, back to the car, we're leaving. I still wanted to remind you, he goes, it's Ignatius. It's the same place. Of course it is.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. Well, that's what you wanted.

[Frank]

That's what you wanted when I sent him there. Yeah, yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, I understand that. So that was he. Do they announce everyone's name? Did they announce Matthew Wilbon?

[Frank]

Matthew Raymond Wilburn?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Did anybody stand up and say, you want a tan on your man? And sell the naming rights? Love that commercial.

[Frank]

No, that's why we. That's why we also sent him to Gonzaga. We don't. We don't. We don't. But that's not us.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay?

[Frank]

We don't have.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'm glad.

[Frank]

It was good jumping up.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'm glad.

[Frank]

It was spectacular. It was spectacular.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Did you.

[Frank]

And, you know, I never got to march because I. I played Pomp and Circumstance for my own graduation.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You were performing. Yes.

[Frank]

And so I never got to. I never got to march, so I got to see it.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah.

[Frank]

It's more formal than Ignatius. Although in the 70s, nothing was formal, so what do I know? It was spectacular.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'm glad. I'm glad. So. And we spoke yesterday. You did not watch anything. You did not watch the golf. You did not watch Birdie, Birdie, Birdie, Birdie. You did not watch that.

[Frank]

No. There's no golf to meet this weekend. The golf didn't matter this weekend. It's irrelevant relative to the world of sport, as we know. The US Open's coming, the PGA is over, and we'll get to real golf again in a couple of weeks. But, no, no, this is not a golf weekend for me. I did watch some sports. It just fit in the calendar before the baccalaureate. Mass on Saturday was Champions League final, and I watched every second.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That was St. Germaine against Arsenal. And this was. Yeah, this was a really big deal to George at the Shack. So when I went to the Shack on both Saturday and Sunday, George was telling me all about it, you know, and he's always disappointed that I don't love soccer, but I, you know, I don't. But you love soccer and you love.

[Frank]

I don't love soccer. I don't know soccer. I'm curious about the world. I decided five to seven years ago, maybe 10 years ago, to pay attention to soccer. Doesn't mean I love soccer. I'm not gonna phony it up. I love big events, and this is the biggest event. It's bigger than the super bowl by, like, six times. It's watched by hundreds of millions of people. Not 120, hundreds of millions.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Is it? But it's not bigger than the World cup or is it?

[Frank]

No, no, no, no, no, no. It's not bigger than the world. That's the world. Because this is not South America, right? And Africa and Asia. It's Europe.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right.

[Frank]

But I watch, you know, I go to games occasionally when there's a big game and I can go and want to see it and curious about where it's played and who's there and how it functions. I did. Like I said, I started doing it about 10 years ago. I'm not. I don't know anything, but I have a soccer head who lives in my house sometime. Jordan Wilbaugh, my nephew who has become this and worked for lafc, Magic's team, the team Magic Johnson owns. And Jordan is a fanatic like he is about the NBA and the NFL. People have bandwidth for all of it, some of them. And so I am catching up, have been caught up. And Matthew, Matthew is slightly less fanatic than Jordan, but Jordan is a knowledgeable fanatic. So I can. I can be caught up for World cup and that's. This is part of that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, we will get to World cup down the road, but not today. First thing we're going to get to today is I believe I had this. The San Antonio Spurs. I believe I had.

[Frank]

You're still eligible. You're still eligible.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I am. What did you think of it?

[Frank]

It's extraordinary to watch. Extraordinary to watch him. I was too young to appreciate in a major way the introduction of, say, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Lou Alcindor to the league, although I'm conscious of it. I was alive for it, but I couldn't appreciate it like this. And this kid from Victor Wembanyama who we've seen coming over the horizon.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yep.

[Frank]

You know, like a storm brewing, but the most pleasant storm. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable to watch and to appreciate. And I, you know, I enjoy having a front row seat to his first round in the championships. I'm going to San Antonio tomorrow night and can't wait for it. I did not expect them to win. They've not won yet. It looks, I mean, I didn't expect them necessarily to get this close just because I think that heartache is inevitable before you cash it. But it may not be inevitable for him. He may be the exception who joins Russell and Magic. He may be the exception. That's not a lot of people in 75 years of a league. So the fact that this kid can lead it and lead it not Just statistically, but emotionally and intellectually and psychologically, I mean his imprint is all over it. And he now, not Jalen Brunson, not anybody in a Knicks uniform, not the two time MVP who's gone home now this kid, Victor Mwanyama, another kid who's not American in a uniquely American sport for the first 70 years, that kid is already the face of the NBA. And anybody who, you know can leave i95 or actually i5 as well. If you can get out of the space between those two highways, you can know that he's already the worldwide face of this sport.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And yet I would tell you that he didn't win game seven. That the rest of that team came up two and three levels and they played great because they knew that when

[Michael Wilbon]

could not score 45 or anything like that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I mean, it's not the way. But I would ask you this. Gilgis Alexander is a great player. Was great in the last game, not in the other games. Was great in the last game and they still didn't win. Called the season of failure. You think it's a failure? I don't think it's a failure.

[Frank]

I don't. But he's earned the right to say that. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't have any, I don't have any argument with him. If you wanted to say I thought it was a success, I wouldn't have any argument with that. I don't, I don't. That particular thing doesn't catch me up. Okay, but he, he, you're right, Tony. He had a great look. He had, I mean he shot it well. There was like 12 for 22. He was, he was, he soared 35 points. He had nine assists. He's got another teammate out there who makes $50 million, who's a no show, who have four points and four rebounds and really almost could have been taken out of the game. And in Chet Holmgren. And so I don't expect Chad Holmgren to be on that team next year. Really, I expect. No, I expect Chet Holmgren to be dealt in the next few weeks. If you're a team like wouldn't you call Milwaukee if you were OKC and you say, okay, Giannis is done there, Giannis is done there. We need to, we have to battle this, this giant.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Frank]

For the next few years while Shea Gildas Alexander is still in his prime. I think he's like 27. So why wouldn't you make that call? If you're saying Presti in Oklahoma City and maybe the other calls, maybe there's somebody else you have your eye on. And they also have a draft pick. Maybe they draft a seven foot, three and a half inch kid out of Michigan. And they say, okay, we're going to go a different way with this. We're going to stay young. But I don't expect Chet Holmgren to, you know, it's like Josh Giddey, you know, you know, Oklahoma City. They felt they couldn't win with him, even though he's a gal, gets triple doubles and is still doing it elsewhere on my team. But they got rid of him and they tried to get better. And they did get better because they won without him. So that's just me and talking to some people around the league who kind of believe what I believe.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's interesting. All right, I'll see you later.

[Frank]

I'll see you later. All right.

[Michael Wilbon]

Tom Michael Wilbon, boys and girls.

[Tony Kornheiser]

We will take a break. We don't have a guest. I'll explain that when we come back.

[Michael Wilbon]

I'm Tony Kornheiser.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser Show.

[Michael Wilbon]

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[Michael Wilbon]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Guest or Producer]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Michael Wilbon]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

Wow.

[Michael Wilbon]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

The single's out June 5th.

[Michael Wilbon]

Isn't that nice? Cleared for airplane review now. It's very nice.

[Guest or Producer]

It's lovely.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Michael, if people like sponge Tones want

[Michael Wilbon]

to send their music into us to

[Tony Kornheiser]

get it played, how do they do it?

[Nigel]

Please send us music by emailing it to jinglesonycornizershow.com and I will set up a new promo code for Father's Day for all your golfing and just fun needs. I'll get that on Wednesday, though.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay. So we always have a second guest. We don't always have a second guest, but we almost always have a second guest.

[Nigel]

So the rhythm of the show.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. And this is the second guest segment, and you're listening to me because we don't have a second guest.

[Nigel]

I've got notes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'll just explain why. I'll talk about the Nats, but I

[Michael Wilbon]

will explain why we don't have a second guest.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It was Michael's idea and a very good idea to get David Remnick, the Pulitzer Prize winning editor of the New Yorker, on the show because David has written a piece in the current New Yorker which you can't get if you don't have a subscription.

[Michael Wilbon]

So I can't get it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Michael, I'll print it out for you. Michael gets it about the Knicks.

[Nigel]

Maybe you can also see through that review.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He grew up in North Jersey, you know, right close in. And he was Knicks fan and became. He was a sports writer before he did all these other things. So we wanted to get David on. So David couldn't do it. No, David's got something else this morning.

[Guest or Producer]

Yeah, I said an early start this morning. Couldn't.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Early start.

[Nigel]

I just can't believe that he returns your phone calls.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So why?

[Nigel]

It's just amazing.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He's my friend.

[Guest or Producer]

I was more amazed he got back to me.

[Nigel]

Yes, he's my friend.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So then. Then I said, you know, this is a good idea. Let's do something on the Knicks. Let's do something on what the Knicks mean to New York. Let's get somebody who grew up in that circumstance.

[Nigel]

Did he edit your texts?

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, he did not.

[Nigel]

This is for Nigel.

[Guest or Producer]

Probably could have, though.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So we couldn't get Remnick. So the next thought was, let's get Mike Breen. Yes, Mike Breen's broadcast in the game. Mike Breen broadcast Knicks games for years and years. Let's get Mike Breen. So I leave him a message yesterday. I said, I'm sure you're out on the golf course when you get back in. It'd be great if you have the time to do this. Don't know what you're doing, but it'd be great if you could. Come on. He sends me. And Nigel also gets in touch with him, and he sends us both the same message. Flying to San Antonio this morning. Can't do it. Love to do it.

[Michael Wilbon]

Can't do it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, so now we're down Remnick and we're down Breen. Then I call Marv Albert. Marv broadcast the games when they were

[Guest or Producer]

great, calling out the big guns.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I call Marv. Marv sends me back a text saying he's got some vocal cord issues. Like, he's not. He's his. He wants to do it. It might be soon. It just can't be today. We'd love to do it, Marv. Marv invented. Yes. Yeah. Come on, Marv. So Marv can't do it at this point.

[Nigel]

We've got the show scheduled for weeks.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So Marv can't do it. So then I think, come on, let's get Costas. Costas grew up on Long Island.

[Guest or Producer]

Why not?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Let's get Costas. He grew up on Long Island. He broadcast. Come on, let's get Costas. So I get in touch with Costas, and he Sundays, I'm in St. Louis. I'm traveling in the morning. I'd love to do it, but I'm traveling in the morning. Okay, so we know Remnick, no Breen, no Marv. No Costas. And then I say to Nigel, maybe we should try Jeremy Shap. I mean, I don't. Jeremy's not old enough to remember the Knicks of my youth, but I'm sure his father told him a million stories. I'm sure he's been around them. He's lived there his whole life. Let's get Jeremy. Can't get Jeremy. Yeah. So we're 0 for 5. We take the collar.

[Nigel]

Pretty good. Starting five.

[Guest or Producer]

Golden sombrero.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes. We take the collar, 0 for 5. So I make a couple of notes and my notes are pretty simple. New York has two of everything, three of some things. New York, the fan base in New York is not a united fan base. It's not. It's not like you're living in Kansas City and you root for the Royals. It's not. You can root for the Mets. You can root for the Yankees. Traditionally, more people have rooted for the Yankees. The Yankees are the one and only successful professional franchise over some long period of time in New York. They are. Yeah, they are. They're the most successful of any franchise in any sport. They're the New York Yankees. I was a Mets guy, but, you know, there are Mets fans and there are Yankee fans, there are Rangers fans and there are Islanders fans and there are Devils fans. I'm going to discount the Devils because they actually say they're the New Jersey Devils. If you notice, neither the jets or the Giants say we are the New Jersey jets of New Jersey.

[Michael Wilbon]

They don't do that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They're not stupid. So I'm going to discount the Islanders as well. I grew up, you know, when I started working, the Islanders started on Long island. And I have great passion for them. But the Rangers are the big deal.

[Guest or Producer]

Although the Islanders did have a terrific run.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes, they won four Cups in a row or something like that. You know, they haven't won since. Okay, let's not get carried away. They haven't won since. So. So it's the Rangers, and the Rangers have only won twice. But the hockey fans in New York City are Rangers fans. Yeah, they're Rangers fans. Then there's the jets and the Giants. The Giants have won more championships than the Jets. The Giants have been better, but since Parcells left, they're not nearly as good as they used to be. In fact, they've been stinking for the last eight to 10 years, not just since Parcell's left. Coughlin won Super Bowls and so they've been a very successful franchise. Yeah, they've been a very successful franchise, but not lately. Yeah, not in the last six to eight years where they lose all the time. Are they more popular than the Jets? Maybe, but it's close. That one's close. That's the closest one. The Knicks and the Nets are not close. The Nets are in Brooklyn. They used to be on Long Island. Nobody cares. Relatively speaking, nobody cares. They do care about the Knicks. The Knicks have been in the center of Manhattan for a million years. Since the NBA started, they've been there. The Giants and Jets have clearly moved. The Yankees were in the Bronx. It's not in the center of Manhattan. The Mets, Queens, it's not in the center of Manhattan. The Rangers are in the center. But hockey is not as popular as basketball. Basketball, in the words of Pete Axtelm, is the city game. So the Knicks are the big deal. And I've said this before, and I will just say it briefly and then I'll get out of this. Anyone who goes on television or radio or podcast or stands on the corner and says that if Jalen Brunson were to win a championship, he would be

[Michael Wilbon]

the greatest Knick of all time.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Anybody who says that is a fool. He is a fool. It would give them one championship. The Knicks only have two, but they have two. And Willis Reed and Walt Frazier are at the center of those two, as are Bill Bradley and Dave Debusscher. Dick Barnett was at the center of the first one and still on the team for the second one. Earl Monroe was at the center of the second one. This is. This is who the Knicks are. You know, they are the greatest Knicks. And Wilbon said to me the other day, well, Patrick Ewing, no, he win anything. He win anything. No, if somebody has won two and you haven't won any, you're not better. If Jalen Brunson wins one, he's not better. He's got to get to two. He's got to get to 2 to have this discussion. Bernard King is one of the greatest Knicks of all time. And please spare me the Carmelo Anthony, okay? Don't. Don't go there. No. So that's how I feel about all of this. I am torn. Having said that, I believe, and I do believe that San Antonio Spurs, I said this. For the last three months, Wilbon has affirmed that, that they were going to win. And I think they're going to win. But I don't know. I think the Knicks are much more fortunate in drawing the spurs than drawing Oklahoma City. Oklahoma City is a champion. Oklahoma City knows what this is about. Oklahoma City has been down this road. The Knicks have not been down this road and the spurs have not been down this road.

[Michael Wilbon]

I think they have a better chance. Chess, why are you whining?

[Guest or Producer]

What's wrong?

[Tony Kornheiser]

What are you whining at? What I fed you this morning.

[Nigel]

So given the rocket ship of the Knicks for the last month and a

[Tony Kornheiser]

half, the best team in basketball right

[Nigel]

now, better serve starting on the road, just knowing if they get one and get one.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes. Because I do think this. I don't think this about Oklahoma City to the degree that I think it about San Antonio. I. It's very possible. San Antonio comes into New York and Madison Square Garden and goes, what's going on here?

[Guest or Producer]

It's going to be a different.

[Tony Kornheiser]

This is not San Antonio.

[Guest or Producer]

Yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

This is not Oklahoma City either.

[Frank]

No.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So I think that's an advantage that the Knicks have if they play well. And plus I don't see anyone on San Antonio being able to guard Brunson. I don't believe that's possible. And I see Karl Anthony Towns as having a chance, having a real chance against Wembanyama and there might be one

[Nigel]

Tony Kornheiser in attendance.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's possible that I would go to one game.

[Guest or Producer]

Oh, you should.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't go anywhere. I don't like to go anywhere. Anyway, let me get to my great passion, which is the Nats and how

[Michael Wilbon]

much I love the Nats.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And now I'm texting Coco during games.

[Nigel]

So I've, I.

[Tony Kornheiser]

During games.

[Nigel]

I've been tempted to, but I know he's working and I find out you're texting him during the games.

[Tony Kornheiser]

During games. Because on Saturday, the Nats won. Saturday and Sunday. The Nats have now beaten three really good teams in a row in terms of the series. Two out of three. They beat Atlanta, they beat Cleveland.

[Nigel]

Two. First place.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And they beat San Diego, which is a second place team, but high up.

[Nigel]

Yes. And after San Diego was coming off of being swept by the Phillies and wanted to, you know, get back in the standings.

[Frank]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So on Saturday, it was the most intriguing, almost miraculous. Bottom of the seventh, the Nats scored six runs. They had one big league hit. The lead off hit by C.J. abrams was a line drive hit. It was a rope. Everything after that was either a hit by pitch, a walk, an odd defensive

[Nigel]

laps, you know, a single but not touching the bag.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. A seeing eye single or something like that. And they got six runs. And then in the bottom of Tari and then top of the eighth, who came in to relieve. It didn't work. It did not work. Whoever came in and it g came down to one run. It's a one run game. But in the top, in the bottom of the eighth.

[Nigel]

Yeah, they got it back.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Curtis me. Who should play every day. Every single day. Curtis Mead hit a, hit a double. Right. And got insurance runs and Then Beater came in and won the game. Saved the game. He saved the game, which he did yesterday as well. Ralta had a good session before he stopped what could have been a lot of runs.

[Nigel]

The seventh inning, I believe Littell was in there. He gives up a walk, then a single double. You bring in Rabalt immediately. He gets, you know, he gets nobody out, faces on and only gives up a sac fly. And then he produces a. Strike him out, throw him out, which was the first of two that we saw in the game. And he got out with the lead.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right.

[Michael Wilbon]

And then Peter came in and saved the game.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And yesterday it was Andrei Shaputzva.

[Nigel]

Yeah. In the eighth inning.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. Who came in bottom eighth and hit a rope to right field, inside the line. Right. And scored a run. And so then they had a little cushion to deal with. And the essence of this, what I wrote to Kolko was you should feel so lucky you got to broadcast these games, which such weird things happening. Good for you. And he's openly talking on the air about how much fun it is, how much fun this team is, how much fun it is to broadcast these games.

[Nigel]

It's fun to watch.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes, it is fun to watch. Like, okay, there's Chuck Todd, there's Chris Salizza, there's Michael, there's me, my friend Tom Jones. Not that Tom Jones is watching all the time. Alan the socialite is watching all the time. And the question that we now have is a question we never thought we would have this year at all. At all. Are they authentically good? Are they. I mean, could they actually. You don't want much. Could they actually finish 500?

[Nigel]

I would zoom in on one player, and you look at what May was versus what we've seen the last year and a half or so with KBERT Ruiz, and you see what's been going on.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He was a non hitter. He could not hit major league pitching.

[Nigel]

You look at those two throws down to second. I mean, it's defensive, what he's controlling. And that sort of seems the. Everyone is. Everyone is figuring out their role. You're seeing this with pitching. You're seeing this with hitters who are, you know, James Wood, obviously, sa. James would start with them. And then you have, you know, small guys who are coming with big hits. A month ago, it felt like there were certain moments that were too big for them, but now they just keep piling up the runs.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't know if they're authentically a.500 team. Their average season, the last five season, seasons is 67 wins and 95 losses. That's way under 500. They are at 500 now, a little bit over. Are they at 500?

[Nigel]

A couple of pitchers who should be coming back in the next month or two.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So who knows if they are.

[Nigel]

But, but that gives you the cushion if you do have a, you know, all of a sudden you have a Miklas, he needs to go down.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Or Meatball Nicholas. Yeah, yeah. But I, I also want to bang my head through a plate glass window sometimes with the baby manager and lefty, righty. He's always trying to go lefty, righty. Even though the lefties he puts up there strike out in key situations, which is what happened on Friday. The lefties late in the game, Tina and Vivas struck out with the potential tying run. C.J. abrams on second, who had stolen second to get there. So I have a problem with that. I have a problem with. There's a different lineup every day. I don't know if that adds to security or insecurity on the part of the players. I don't know. But I will say this it. They are fun to watch right now. They're exciting to watch right now. And they're significantly better than I imagine.

[Nigel]

Yeah. And to your righty, lefty stuff, you see yesterday when James Wood, you know, the beginning of that fifth inning happens so quickly they can't make the pitching change in time and it leads to James woods hitting the home run. But yes, you look at what that nine game stand was, it could be one of those moments that whether it's years from now, whether it's later the season, you look at that and go, that's where you realize something clicked and this is a different team. And now you just keep looking at

[Tony Kornheiser]

all of a general manager, manager, Marlins,

[Nigel]

a team that was just swept by New York, just try and get out of this series what they win because you have another difficult two weeks.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Sadly. Alcantara is pitching today though, and he's the best pitcher.

[Nigel]

But then you have, you know, you, you have three with the Mariners coming up.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So much Nat stuff. Deep dives on the Nats.

[Guest or Producer]

But it's exciting. I mean, what do you want to talk about?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Is it exciting for somebody who's in Australia?

[Nigel]

Yankees putting up 18 hitters. The third, Eddie 13.

[Frank]

Hold on.

[Tony Kornheiser]

The Yankees 13 runs.

[Nigel]

It's always that third time through the order that gets you 13 runs.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It took the a 75 pitches to get out. What are you going to show me?

[Guest or Producer]

Let me show you an email that we got that will tell you about the worldwide pull of your Washington Nationals. There you go.

[Michael Wilbon]

From Richard Kennedy watching the UEFA Champions Finals. Get Wilbon to explain what she did. And as the camera pans the stadium, it locks on a guy rocking a Nationals cap.

[Tony Kornheiser]

In Budapest. Yeah, in Budapest. Okay, how about that? All right, we'll take a break. We'll come back with more of these.

[Michael Wilbon]

Email I'm Tony Kornheiser.

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[Tony Kornheiser]

You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser Show. Kelly Vikstrom Hoyt on the squeeze box. You want to do Bethesda bagels? So we get sandwiches today?

[Guest or Producer]

Sandwiches today. Always happy about that. Just go to bethesdabeagels.com for the location in the DC area nearest you. Then pop on in and you'll be thrilled.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Before we get to the mail, Greg, let me just say, sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon, going to the candidates debate, laugh about it, shout about it, when you've got to choose. Any way you look at it, you lose.

[Michael Wilbon]

That song Mrs. Robinson by Simon and

[Tony Kornheiser]

Garfunkel became the number one song in the country today in 1968, which is what, 58 years ago?

[Guest or Producer]

58 years.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, 58 years ago. Thanks to our guest today, Michael Wilbon. And wait, Nigel writes in did we only have one guest today? Great job, Nigel. And remember, you can listen. Thanks to today's sponsors as well. Remember, you can listen to us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or to see if guests show through Apple Podcasts.

[Michael Wilbon]

Please leave us a review from Joseph o', Hara, our friendly National Mall Park Ranger.

[Tony Kornheiser]

With the coming yield of potatoes this year, I forgot to water them yesterday. I should water them every day.

[Guest or Producer]

Yeah, we probably should. I forgot to water them, but it wasn't too hot yesterday.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So I was wondering if you all

[Michael Wilbon]

have thought about the names that you all are going to give for each flavor of potato chips. May I suggest for salt and vinegar, they should be named the TK Salute. Any other littles? Care to weigh in? On a side note, 30 day advance tickets are now available on recreation.gov for the Lincoln Undercroft, the new museum and exhibit space Underneath the Lincoln Memorial.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I didn't know there was such a underneath the Lincoln.

[Guest or Producer]

I'd never heard of this.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I didn't know that. I had no idea.

[Guest or Producer]

I think we'll have to check that out.

[Michael Wilbon]

From Scott Organic in Avon, Connecticut, right next to Bristol. I know I'm late to the name game, and I'm not clear on how this game works, but all this talk about organic vegetables has got to count in my favor, right? Also, if you need some organic potatoes next year, just let me know. All the food in our house is organic food. L R G A N E K

[Tony Kornheiser]

Scott Organic from Yosephus T in Northeastern

[Michael Wilbon]

Maryland, I have a possible strategy for how you deal with telemarketing phone calls approving you for unwanted loans. A few years ago, after listening to my coworker staying on the phone for up to 30 minutes, sometimes with telemarketing

[Tony Kornheiser]

agents for the sole purpose of slowly,

[Michael Wilbon]

tactfully messing with them, I look to develop my own strategy to mess with these agents at a more rapid pace. I recorded the audio of your show's famous sound bites. My favorite other than Mick Jagger. Come on now, everybody cool out. As well as Chicken Again, that's Alan Arkin. When telemarketing agents call me, I quickly queue up the audio files to repeatedly play as responses when the agent poses questions to me. Not one agent to date has admitted recognizing the said audio clips, but I truly think that at least one of them knows and understands what Mick was trying to say on that fateful day. Isn't that right? Also, when in Rehoboth shopping for Reggie Bars at least two local candy novelty shops, I often get told by the store clerk that some older gentleman just bought out all of the stock and we are currently sold out. Please save some for me.

[Tony Kornheiser]

From Is it farther? Aaron in Kansas City. Frank, would that be Father, right? That would be a priest.

[Frank]

Yeah, it is.

[Guest or Producer]

Yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

In Kansas City.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You definitely need to use this Wilbon

[Michael Wilbon]

quote from when you asked him about watching the Indy 500 the next time you get a call about loans. Sir, would you like a $32,000 loan?

[Tony Kornheiser]

No. No, I wouldn't.

[Michael Wilbon]

And don't and haven't and didn't and won't from Bill Matfeld in Fort Smith, Fort Mill, rather, South Carolina. I also get calls about property that I've never owned that Michael talks about.

[Tony Kornheiser]

But I'm writing just to warn you

[Michael Wilbon]

about the phone call saying there are legal proceedings against one of your family members and they need information from you or your relative. Could be a lot of trouble. You have a tendency to panic when presented with bad information and might give away information and your understandable urge to protect your loved ones. In other words, don't get this call and do what the kids are now calling. Flushing the Mouse yeah. From Rich in Arlington, Virginia. Listening to Friday's show. I got a laugh out of Tony calling back these lone folks, but he needs to be careful. A couple of things he should not be doing. He should not be answering the phone to talk to anybody from a number he does not recognize, and he should absolutely not be calling them back to have a conversation. The new scam today is to get you to have a conversation, especially one where you are showing the emotion because your voice is being recorded and they are using AI on the back end to replicate your voice so they can do things like call your actual financial institution with voice activated authentication and take your money apart, apply for credit cards or mortgages over the phone, all of that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Wow.

[Nigel]

It's not like you have recordings of your voice anywhere.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, I do any everywhere representative. I appreciate him wanting to tell the

[Michael Wilbon]

scammers to stick it, but the best thing he can do is not answer the phone. If he has an iPhone, they almost all come up as potential spam. Just ignore it, go into the call log, make it a block number.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't know how to do that and move on.

[Michael Wilbon]

If he wants to live a vicariously life, a vicarious life through somebody else, there are plenty of videos on YouTube of people calling into call centers in India and scamming the phone scammers. Very entertaining.

[Guest or Producer]

That is entertaining.

[Michael Wilbon]

I don't know what they are.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Jeff wright in Stanton, Virginia Dear Mr.

[Michael Wilbon]

Potato Head, congratulations. You've been approved to loan me $32,000 from Lee Stevens in Messina, New York, in upstate New York. Dear uncle the Tony Kornhasher Show as someone who lives 32 miles of north north of Ogdensburg, I can tell you honestly that an 84,000 word novel about it is 75,000 words more than needed. Edith Ogdensburg Joe Pearson, Indianapolis I am

[Tony Kornheiser]

shocked, I tell you, shocked, that a

[Michael Wilbon]

former newspaper man like yourself has apparently no clue about word counts.

[Tony Kornheiser]

The novel you've been asked to blurb

[Michael Wilbon]

is a mere 84,000 words, which you make sound like a lot. It is not, certainly not. While it's slightly longer than Hemingway's the Sun also rises, roughly 67,000 words, it's barely half as long as the Steinbeck classic the Grapes of wrath, nearly 170,000 words. And don't get me started about Stephen King his immensely popular novel.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It weighs in at over 440,000 words.

[Michael Wilbon]

Regardless, the sweet spot for most popular novels these days is right around 85,000 words. And one more point of reference, a collection of Washington Post columns by a certain balding potato miner entitled I'm back for More Cash is generally listed as containing about 85,000 words. One can certainly read the whole thing in an afternoon.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You might be a little dumber when

[Michael Wilbon]

you finish, but still.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes, I was going to write a

[Michael Wilbon]

long email about how people living in Indianapolis never got to watch the 500 live because it was always blacked out. But I feel that moment has passed. Maybe next year. From Tony Beeson.

[Tony Kornheiser]

What started out as a bit of

[Michael Wilbon]

a vanity project has now turned to something a bit larger. Yes, I saw the book on pti and thank you. That was amazing. Initially, I thought it'd be funny to take your Flush the Mouse concept and turn it into a children's book for my grandson. Now that I have an actual book illustrated wonderfully by real artist Ron Braun, there is something to share with Littles everywhere. Fellow Little Todd Dickinson of Aaron's Books has agreed to make the book [e-mail] flushthemouse and Todd adds a reminder. Any Little who buys books from Aaron's books, including Flush the mouse, saves 15% with the code llpod. Use the code, people. And that's from Tony Beeson and Todd Dickinson, which is really nice.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's lovely.

[Michael Wilbon]

Really nice. Dan Nevin. Dan Navin rather. Mr. Tony the best part of our brewers tour. Saturday we toured Miller Park Am Fam Field. We're able to walk in the outfield grass, sit in the bullpen, visit the press box and look who was on the wall. Who was on the wall?

[Guest or Producer]

On the next page? Yeah, on the next page. It's blown up.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, it's Josh and you. It's Josh and you.

[Guest or Producer]

Isn't that fantastic?

[Michael Wilbon]

That's wonderful. Josh Maurer and Bob Euchre.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's great.

[Michael Wilbon]

Glad to hear that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's great that you get to walk on the field.

[Guest or Producer]

Yeah.

[Frank]

Who knew?

[Tony Kornheiser]

From Tim in Tokyo.

[Michael Wilbon]

While not a newspaper man, I was a news delivery boy in the mid-70s for the long defunct Talus Times Herald. My route included 103 home deliveries, which ballooned to 115 for the Sunday only customers. Setting off each Weekday afternoon and Sunday morning in my Schwinn Stingray with my saddlebag stuffed, I felt a sense of participation in bringing the news to our local neighborhood of regular middle class folks. I visited them Once a month with my route book to announce collect for the Herald, which at that time was $2.40. Nice ladies would give me $2 and 2/4 and allow me to keep the change. Pretty good for a 12 year old. Of course, I was a Cowboys fan. Roger Storback, Calvin Hill, Mel Renfro, Bob Lilly, Walt Garrison, they were my heroes. But in the newspaper columns, I couldn't wait to read Blackie Sherrod, among others who covered my team. The local sports coverage was indispensable. Randy Galloway, the Dallas Morning News covering the struggling Texas Rangers, Vern Lundquist and Brad Sham with the radio voices of the Cowboys. Frank Locson as you need take on all of Dallas, sports was essential. It was the rhythmic score of my youth.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Youth.

[Michael Wilbon]

I'm sure your grandchildren will find a way, with Michael's help, to understand how you must be remembered to untold numbers of sports fans, young and old. The voice, critic and defender of their favorite teams, players and moments. God bless. That's very, very nice. From Justin Winkelman in Titusville, Florida. The Tigers are bad and the Nats are good this season because of one word, Finnegan.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Even if the Tiger's woes are not

[Michael Wilbon]

entirely his fault, he is the common thread that can be woven between these diametrically opposed.

[Tony Kornheiser]

From Jamoke. Breaking news on the official Jumoke Jumoke of the show. Tillamook ice cream is the buy one,

[Michael Wilbon]

get one free at Giant Eagle in Pittsburgh. Not Giant in your neck of the woods. At least not to my knowledge. I want to make sure the Berg Littles know see the attached photo for News Channel 8. I plan to grab four of them and eat them over the sink in your honor.

[Frank]

Well done.

[Michael Wilbon]

Another one from Justin Winkleman is the

[Tony Kornheiser]

second one from Justin Winkleman.

[Guest or Producer]

Two from Justin.

[Michael Wilbon]

Do we have two?

[Dan Byrne]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes.

[Michael Wilbon]

And.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And for the next few months, he

[Michael Wilbon]

writes, he'll be in Bloomfield Hills in Michigan, not Florida.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I cut my upper shin pretty badly this past Friday in a mishap. Just shy of needing stitches. I smashed my head into the top of the golf cart and cut open the top of my head. Ow. And. And Carol says to me, don't. Don't you realize it? And I go, yeah, I realize.

[Frank]

Okay.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I realize it has a top. Everybody does this once in a while, right, Michael? They bang their heads. I cut my upper shin pretty bad this past Friday in a mishap.

[Michael Wilbon]

Just shy of needing stitches.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Since you're a doctor, I've taken your

[Michael Wilbon]

previous recommendation for Neosporin to heart by applying it Liberally.

[Dan Byrne]

No.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No.

[Guest or Producer]

Then we find out that Neosporin is the devil.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Neosporin is the devil. Neosporin is now the devil. No. Aquaphor.

[Guest or Producer]

Aquaphor.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Use Aquaphor. Don't use that.

[Guest or Producer]

Or Mercuric. Rumors, right?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Mercurochrome is old school.

[Frank]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It seems some other prevailing wisdom would

[Michael Wilbon]

infer rubbing dirt into the wound would be better. So far my leg hasn't fallen off

[Tony Kornheiser]

and the prognosis looks good.

[Michael Wilbon]

I'm giving the Neosporin five stars.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No.

[Guest or Producer]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No. It's the devil.

[Michael Wilbon]

That's what I've been told.

[Tony Kornheiser]

One more. Jim Moser. Yes, that Jim moser in Landisville, Pennsylvania. Dear Dr. Captain, Grandpa bought a new car this weekend.

[Michael Wilbon]

Wasn't a Subaru good?

[Tony Kornheiser]

If you're out on your bike tight, everyone as always do wear what we don't have the shaputzvah to do it.

[Dan Byrne]

I'm Dan byrne playing Tuesday, June 2 at the Manor Mill in Moncton. MONCTON, Moncton, MD. Just a half an hour's drive from Baltimore to Moncton. Moncton, Moncton, Maryland. If you never been out to the Manor Mill in Moncton. Moncton, Moncton, Maryland. You'll want to get there early. Cause it's rustic. Rustic. You'll want to walk around. Just to reiterate, I'm Denver playing Tuesday, June 2nd at the Manor Mill in Mountain Mountain. Just half an hour's drive from Baltimore. You can catch lock and for on terrestrial radio. How about that? See you there. This is not AI.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Why don't you come out and see what's out there?

[Singer or Musician]

There's something going on here. A feeling is trying me on. Besides a horse of death different colors is giving my old soul arise Fog is slowly lifting I'm feeling my heart realigning and signing me in the different siren singing I feel myself listening and hoping again Clues are all around me so I'll accept some help to wake me up from this My blood is in a hurry no time to wait or worry and I can't dismiss. I really need the kids really need the kids. I hear a message singing A cold that's not meant to deceive me Bells again are ringing Kaleidoscopes sound to revive me Heartache is slowly shifting I'm clearing my head Underlining and circling with pen A different map I'm seeing I find my heart stretching, unfolding again Life is all about me and living the event so I can run inside

[Dan Byrne]

no hurt

[Singer or Musician]

will stand before me now Curls are looking for me and I must decide. I really need to kiss you, Ram. I really need to kiss

[Tony Kornheiser]

Ra.