“Big mouse, big mouse, big mouse”

Summary

The Tony Kornheiser Show – “Big mouse, big mouse, big mouse”

Date: December 15, 2025
Host: Tony Kornheiser
Guests: Michael Wilbon, Pat Forde ("Pat 40")

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Overview of the Episode

This episode of "The Tony Kornheiser Show" opens with the host’s signature blend of sports and daily life, featuring recurring guests Michael Wilbon and Pat Forde. The comedic highlight revolves around a “big mouse” incident at Tony’s house, while the meat of the episode covers the latest in the NFL (notably the Mahomes injury), college football’s Michigan scandal, listener mail about Apple phone updates, and memorable musical interludes. The show balances sports insight, personal anecdotes, and humorous rants in Kornheiser's unique, self-deprecating style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Life at Home & The Mouse Saga

Timestamps: 01:03–07:36

• Tony laments the cold snap in Washington, D.C., sharing how icy streets force him to wear “crampons” while walking the dog.
• Thanks listeners for advice on fixing his iPhone after a software update ruined his settings (“Hand the phone to Michael”—[03:25]).
• Mouse Story: Tony details discovering and attempting to rescue a mouse trapped under his kitchen sink. The ordeal includes:
  • Tony’s call to Michael for help mid-roast-chicken-prep ([04:42]).
  • Michael’s reluctant rescue using grilling tongs and a plastic bag, desiring privacy while Tony and his wife hover ([05:50]).
  • The group’s speculations on how long the mouse had been living in the house, discussing “respectful mice” and signs of rodents ([06:23]); Michael says:

    “If you don't hear it scratching the walls … it's being as respectful as it can.” ([06:44])

  • Tony concludes, “Too big to flush”—a callback to a previous mouse incident.

2. College Football & Listener Feedback

Timestamps: 07:36–11:44

• Tony reads a witty, defensive letter from Chris Spira (GM, DC Grays) in response to Tony’s playful trashing of UVA football; Chris details the team’s mediocrity historically and offers stats to support his case, labeling the team “basically flushing the mouse for most of its history” ([09:11]).
• Michael and Tony affectionately praise UVA as a “public Ivy,” putting it alongside Cal-Berkeley and Michigan ([07:59]).
• Tony stands by his take that a UVA win over Duke would have changed the playoff picture ([11:01]).

3. Culinary Interlude: Latke Review

Timestamps: 11:44–12:00

• Tony and Michael extol the latkes from Balducci’s, with Michael sheepishly admitting he didn’t “wring out the potatoes by hand,” but calls them “the highlight for the boys” ([11:51]).

4. Sports Headlines with Tom & Michael Wilbon

Timestamps: 15:39–29:25

• NFL’s biggest story: Patrick Mahomes injury
  • Tony: “If I had to write the lead on the top … it was the injury to Mahomes” ([15:39]).
  • Tom: “Mahomes is the dominant figure in the post-Brady NFL. … Playoffs without him is not the same.” ([16:02])
• Discussion on NFL’s cycle of renewing stars and fanbases.
• Quick takes on:
  • Philip Rivers’ return at 44—Tom is unimpressed; Wilbon says “Micah Parsons” is the bigger headline ([19:15]).
  • Dominant Sunday victories: Bears, Eagles, Texans, Jaguars win at home as expected. “Teams asserted themselves” after an unpredictable season ([21:31]; [22:16]).
  • Buffalo's resurgence: “I would say Buffalo,” Tom agrees as the most impressive trajectory after a big road win ([23:00]).
  • Playoff Scenarios: Rams and Lions dissected, with Detroit needing to win out and “sweep” Chicago for the tiebreaker ([25:06]).
  • Denver Broncos: Tony and Tom agree Denver could match up with Buffalo or Houston due to home-field advantage ([26:33]).

5. College Football Hot Topics with Pat Forde

Timestamps: 30:35–43:18

• Michigan Scandal:
  • Pat: “Fire the athletic director … probably wasn’t providing adequate oversight here” ([31:28]).
  • Tony presses on Harbaugh’s rule-bending ways: “Jim Harbaugh did 3,000 things that were against the rules, and there are no rules!” ([33:28]).
• Coaching Carousel—DeBoer's rumored interest in Michigan, Jed Fish, and Matt Campbell named as prospects ([35:36]).
• Portal Panics: Discussion around NIL contracts and the risk of players leaving before a new coach is found ([34:39]).
• Wild Year in College Football:
  • Tony: “Incredible amount of people who got canned during the year—you never saw anything like this.” ([37:30])
• Heisman Winner Fernando Mendoza:
  • Pat praises Mendoza’s accuracy, mind for the game, and meteoric rise from “134th QB recruit” to the Heisman ([38:13]).
  • NFL potential: Pat says, “Absolutely. Six-five with a strong arm and great accuracy” ([39:31]).
• Notre Dame’s Future:
  • Tony questions their fit with the ACC after their outbursts; Pat discusses possible “irreparable damage” and court cases over conference affiliations ([41:16]).
  • Tony speculates Big Ten move; Pat doubts unless Notre Dame gives up football independence ([42:25]).

6. Listener Mailbag: iPhone Rant Resonates

Timestamps: 43:43–54:35

• Multiple listeners express solidarity with Tony’s rants about unwanted iPhone updates, commiserating on lost music and intrusive new features.
• Notable lines:
  • Ed Butt: “Tim Apple and his minions … replaced my original version of Mary Wells Is My Guy with her mid-70s disco version. Damn you, Apple. I hate you with the passion of a million suns.” ([46:29])
  • General consensus: Listeners and their families across generations feel Tony’s pain over tech changes.

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Memorable Quotes & Notable Moments

On the Mouse:

• Tony: “Too big to flush. … This would have been—what do you mean, we said it’s like a bird.” ([07:15])
• Michael: “If you don't hear it scratching the walls … it's being as respectful as it can.” ([06:44])

On NFL Headlines:

• Tom: “Playoffs without [Mahomes] is not the same as playoffs without Curry or LeBron.” ([16:01])

On Michigan Football:

• Pat Forde: “They’ve either been winning championships or getting on probation. Sometimes both at the same time.” ([33:47])
• Pat Forde: “I mean, this is a time when it’s really hard to find rules to break. And [Harbaugh] found enough of them.” ([34:16])

On iPhone Updates:

• Tony: “I love you, but I'm not crazy about that.” (on talking to grown children, but echoed in the theme of unwanted changes—[01:03])
• Listener Ed Butt: “Damn you Apple. I hate you with the passion of a million suns.” ([46:29])

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Noteworthy Segments with Timestamps

• Cold Weather & Mouse Story: 01:03–07:36
• Listener Email on UVA Football & Public Ivies: 07:36–11:44
• NFL Recap & Playoff Scenarios: 15:39–29:25
• Michigan College Football Scandal: 30:35–36:37
• Heisman & Notre Dame Conference Drama: 38:03–43:07
• Listener Emails on iPhone Woes: 43:43–54:35

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Musical Moments

• Featured song submission: “You like pickles, I like you” by Charles Witt—AI-aided love song; Tony quips about not trusting AI ([15:17]).
• Outro: “W = FD (Work Equals Force times Distance)” by You Old Radio, with show promotion for their local gig ([29:42]).

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Tone & Language

The episode features Tony’s classic blend of mock irritation, old-man rants, dry humor, and warmth. The dynamic with Wilbon and Pat Forde is conversational, teasing, and affectionate, frequently self-deprecating and inviting listeners to enjoy the blend of sports, life mishaps, and relatable gripes.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode is classic Kornheiser: part sports talk, part home-life mayhem, part complaint-fest—always deeply funny and real. The “big mouse” incident is a microcosm for Tony’s view on life’s interruptions; the NFL and college football coverage is expertly informed but never overly serious; and listener emails confirm Tony’s place as the cranky everyman hero in the battle against technological ‘improvements.’ Sports fans and podcast listeners alike will find both laughs and insight—plus a few songs you definitely won’t hear anywhere else.

Transcript

[Tony Kornheiser]

Hey, it's Tony. On today's show, we will catch up with Michael Wilbon about what he was watching over the weekend. We'll also talk to Pat40 about the scandal at Michigan. But first, how about a little commerce?

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[Tony Kornheiser]

Previously on the Tony Kornheiser Show. As your children grow up and make their own decisions, which they are not only allowed to do, which you encourage them to do, sometimes you don't like those decisions and you want to be able to say, you know, I love you, but I'm not crazy about that. But it's hard to do that because you don't want to create any, you know, enmity between you and your child. So it's a hard thing to walk through and to do well. I don't do it well. I blurt stuff out. I'm not, I'm not good. The Tony Kornheiser show is on now. It's cold in Washington D.C. it was really cold yesterday. It's really cold today. It's well under freezing. It's in the teens. Yesterday the wind chill was such a. Yesterday evening it was around zero when I went out to walk.

[Michael Wilbon]

It just got colder and colder throughout the day.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, around zero. The wind chill, it's about 8 or 10 today.

[Michael Wilbon]

Coldest start to December in 20 years.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's not as windy today. No, but it's cold. It's not getting over freezing. It's a long pencil that we had. Now we got fortunate. The snow that we had was not anywhere near the uppermost predictions. The capital weather gang at the end of business on Friday and beginning of business on Saturday was the range was a coating to four, and then they cut it back a little bit to about a coating to three. We got about an inch. Yeah, it wasn't bad, but it ain't going anywhere. No, not at all. Right. And there's ice all over the street. So I'm walking in with crampons. Yeah, I'm walking with that when I walk the dog because there's black ice all over the place. And it's cold now. It's supposed to warm up by the end of the week, 50 on Thursday. So that's fine. So that's fine. But it's, you know, this is very, very cold. Let me thank a bunch of people. First of all, let me thank Robert Tiffey of Rockville for a very lovely note. Thank you very much for that. And let me thank a bunch of people for giving us directions on how to reverse the damage done to my phone by Apple. Like a lot of people. Yeah, a lot of people know what's going on here. I don't. So Eric Thiessen in Calgary and Alberta in Canada. Stephen Good in Fayetteville, Arkansas, who gives me very specific instructions as to what to do to change, to reverse all the terrible stuff that's happened to my phone. Step one, hand the phone to Michael. That's the most important. Big Apple. John. John Stieglitz in New York City. Same thing. You know all about this. How I. How I reverse this? Barton Baron Lane. How you reverse this? He does it as an app, as if Apple were writing to me, which is very nice. Thank you. Thank you to everybody. I'm going to give these things to Michael and we're going to fix this phone because it's awful.

[Michael Wilbon]

Most recent update was yesterday. You were complaining because of the. As to quote you, the red dots on the apps.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Red dots are everywhere.

[Michael Wilbon]

I don't want to calendar invites that we had to accept. You have an upcoming flight. Just so you know, it faded.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It faded. Faded My picture of Jesse, you know, it changed everything.

[Michael Wilbon]

Leave the dog out of it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It changed everything. You know, there's got to be a way that I can refuse this, that I can say, no, I don't want your updates. I don't want your changes. I don't want your improvements. I don't want your improvements. I'm happy with what I have. And then in the middle of the night, they just do this. Yeah, it's just, you know, I mean, the tyranny of that.

[Michael Wilbon]

Make sure you're plugged in, connected to.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Wi Fi bothers me. Just bothers me. What else? I have a lot of things. Do you want to talk about the mouse?

[Michael Wilbon]

Sure. We can approach the Mouch. I need to sit down for this one. I get the phone call from you. This is during the four o' clock games. I have a roast chicken in the oven that I am monitoring the temperature. And you tell me that you have caught a mouse underneath the sink. It's in the far back corner.

[Tony Kornheiser]

The mouse. There's a couple of mouse traps. This particular mouse would take a large mouse. This was not big mouse. This was not a flush. The mouse situation was not. It's Ms. Mouse was three times bigger than that mouse.

[Michael Wilbon]

This mouse did not just enter the house. It's been living here for a while, I guess. Squatters, right?

[Tony Kornheiser]

I guess. And it got caught in a trap. Its tail got caught. So it had. There was no danger to its life. And it was squeaking. And I just assumed at some point it would gnaw off its tail. But I called Michael and I. I wanted to get it. I want. But I didn't want to get bitten by the mouse. And the mouse was all the way in the back under the sink and was not going to be easy. I just told Michael this I didn't expect. What then happened?

[Michael Wilbon]

Well, I come to the front door.

[Pat 40]

Yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I. With tongs.

[Michael Wilbon]

Tongs. I got the grilling tongs. And of course, this is always what happens. You and mom start flocking around me.

[Pat 40]

I'm like, this is a.

[Tony Kornheiser]

This is.

[Michael Wilbon]

I don't want to be doing this. I don't want you here. I got a plastic bag. I got the tongs. Just give me some privacy and I'll take care of it. Don't ask questions.

[Pat 40]

Right.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I wanted to help, but I could help.

[Michael Wilbon]

It weighed on me heavily.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. So he's off at a rabbit farm right now, isn't he?

[Michael Wilbon]

I'd say he. He stayed outside last night.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, he was outside last night. It probably wasn't good for him. No. And my guess is you think he was living here for a long time. They come in, they try to come inside when it's cold.

[Michael Wilbon]

The mice adapt to your lifestyle in particular.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I didn't know we had a mouse.

[Michael Wilbon]

And the dog, I mean they. It's so easy for them to enter and very little to survive.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yes, you have ones that are always coming in throughout the winter. But this one looked pretty big. My rule of thumb.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Like it had eaten other.

[Michael Wilbon]

If you don't hear it. If you don't hear it scratching the walls. If you don't see it scurrying around at night, and if you don't see droppings where you are.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No idea.

[Michael Wilbon]

Then you just sort of have to understand that it is being as respectful as it can.

[Tony Kornheiser]

But here's what happened. I was. I'm alone in the television area, and I hear noises in the kitchen. Significant noises. Things.

[Michael Wilbon]

That's the telltale sign.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Things being sort of moved around. And I go into the kitchen. I look, there's nothing. I don't know what it is. The noise is coming from the sink. I thought maybe something was clogged in the sink. So I ran the water in the sink and I ran the disposal in the sink.

[Michael Wilbon]

And the noise, that didn't upset anyone.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And the noises were still going on. And I opened the bottom of the sink, I went, oh, no, there's a mouse there. And my history was a mouse in the house. Yeah. My history is not good. Hence flush the mouse. Yes. So I didn't want it. And it was too big. Too big to flush. This would have been. What do you mean? We said it's like a bird.

[Michael Wilbon]

No, it was a mouse.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's not a rat. Oh, no, no. Not a capybara. No, it was a mouse. So anyway, so thank you for that. Well done, Michael. Thank you. Thank you for that. What did I want to say? Barry's verluga wrote a column I liked a lot about the stupidity of bowl games. Oh, yeah. And how they're. Just because there shouldn't be any more bowl games, it shouldn't be any more ballgame. So I need to. I need to read this because it's from our friend Chris Spira. Oh, from the D.C. grays. Yeah, we love Chris. General manager, D.C. grays Baseball Club. I depart from my usual emails about the D.C. grays to respond to your savage assessment of the UVA football team. Let me just say what I said. UVA is the villain of the piece. If UVA beats Duke, Miami is not in. Notre Dame is not out. All things go back to the who's it just. That's just true. Okay. By way of background, I was a student athlete there, although not football, graduating from the college in 1984 and from the law school in 1987. My wife is also a UVA grad for both undergraduate and law school. My son received his MBA from the Darden School at UVA. So, yeah, kind of a UVA family. And UVA, let me say this for the 20 millionth time, is one of the best three public schools in the country. I'm not going to talk about Binghamton here, you know, because it's not as big. There's uva, there's Cal Berkeley, there's Michigan. That's everybody's list. That's right, Michael. It's everybody's public school list. Uva. I once asked Harvey Stinger, the outgoing president of Binghamton, if he could be anything. You know, if he could make Binghamton into anything, what would it be? He said Virginia, right off the bat. Virginia, yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

Got the lawn, you got the serpentine walls.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. So two different episodes of My Favorite Part with the attribution of villain status to uva and then the final insult of you reading a faux Dr. Seuss poem about them during the mail. We're a tough Listen. We tend to watch most of the Virginia games, which is perhaps a form of family self torture. This is generally not a pleasant experience as uva football has been basically flushing the mouse for most of its history. Consider one UVA started playing college football in 1886. Played in its first bowl game 99 years later, the Peach bowl in 1985. 2. Although there have been flashes of success under George Welch and Al Gro. Yes, George Welch was a wonderful coach. They are the only two of the last 13 head football coaches with a record over.500. In an effort to bring three in an effort to bring big time college football atmosphere to the university, UVA installed temporary lighting and played its first night home football game at Scott Stadium in October of 1982 against Clemson. Virginia lost 48 to nothing. 4. Despite the glossy appearance of its 102 record this season, UVA won three games in overtime, improbably won another game via a tie breaking safety in the last two minutes. The only team that was ranked when Virginia played them, Florida State, ended the season two and six in league five and seven overall and they did not play either SMU or Miami. The two AC teams that were ACC teams were consistently ranked all season. All that is true. That is true. So villain Chris Wright seems a little harsh. We're not that good either historically or this year and had uva won it, it would have been one of the weakest teams in the playoffs. In addition, they paid a stiff penalty for losing being relegated to the Waffle House Bowl. Okay, it's the Citrus bowl in the TK wasteland of Jacksonville. I feel safe in my assumption you will not be attending. While of course sent the usual DC Grays box of tribute despite the brutal treatment of my alma mater and I read this to Say how much we like Chris. Yes. And if I went to Virginia, I would write this exact same thing.

[Tom]

It's well written.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I would. It's well done. Yeah, it's well done. I will. You know, when I come from a public school that does well to a public Ivy, Binghamton University, but I will not back off my position that. Had Virginia beaten Duke, a team they beat 3417 a few weeks ago at Duke. Yeah. Had they beaten Duke. None of this fallout happens again. Miami does not make the field. Notre Dame does. James Madison's out. James Madison is out at that point. And then. Then Chris can deal with the people from James Madison. But it's a. A very lovely note, and I appreciate that. And we will take a break. And is there anything else I need to talk about?

[Michael Wilbon]

Your latke review.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, the latkes were wonderful last night with sour cream.

[Michael Wilbon]

They were wonderful.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Absolutely wonderful. Where are they from?

[Michael Wilbon]

Those are from Balducci. So I'm embarrassed to admit I did not wring out the potatoes by hand. Sorry, Coach Dan. But the latkes ended up being the highlight for the boys as well.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, they were really good. They were really good. Okay, so, Michael Wilbon when we return. I'm Tony Kornheiser.

[Tom]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Dan]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay.

[Dan]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Tom]

No, I don't understand it. I don't pay much attention to it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Wow. Just Awful. That's awful.

[Pat 40]

All right.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You know, I would normally lead with the Bears with you and we'll get to the Bears. But I was thinking with everything that happened, the largest story, if I had to. If I had to lay out a page and I had to write the lead on the top. Right. I honestly think I would say it was the injury to Mahomes. I do. What do you think?

[Tom]

No doubt.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right? No doubt.

[Tom]

Mahomes, yes. Yeah. I mean, you're talking about the dominant figure in the post Brady NFL. So that's really. People are exaggerating it, but it's been six or seven years and Mahomes is the, you know, he's that person. I mean, he drives the team that has been the winningest team in the post Patriot era. And so it's Mahomes. It's the playoffs without him is not the same as the playoffs without Curry or LeBron because NBA figures stick around longer and really have, you know, inordinate effect impact on a postseason. But having said that, there's still, you know, no Mahomes and no Chiefs.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes.

[Tom]

That's a pretty big deal. And, you know, the NFL is not like the NBA in that, you know, as popular as Mahomes was. We were having this discussion at my dinner table last night. As popular as Mahomes is, they get replaced. The NFL, the NFL stars, the NFL. You know, most important stories get replaced and fairly quick because people root for the uniforms. And there are fan bases out there that are enormous and they need to be satisfied. And there are enormous fan bases out there that can be satisfied. When you look at who's in the running, you know, you've got the Bills, which is a crazy large, unsatisfied fan base over the decades. You've got the Bears and Packers still in the running. You've got the Denver Broncos, who carry a region, although fewer people win. You have Seattle in that, but you've got a Pacific Northwest fan base. So there's still, you know, an enormous interest level that will be front and center this weekend, at least these next two weekends as the season wraps up.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, I mean, and Mahomes, this is a torn ACL. I mean, everybody assumes he'll be back in 8 to 10 to 12 months, but maybe he won't be. You know, everybody's body is different. So I think that's the largest story, I think the most amusing story, or the biggest for people who don't understand the newspaper technology. The sidebar story, the second story where you go, let's just Stay away from the games for a second. But it's got. Part of the games is Philip Rivers. Philip Rivers was much better than I thought. How about you?

[Tom]

You know, he was complete. He did the things we expect Philip Rivers to do. That's the reason you bring him back. The composure and the ability to sit in the pocket and deliver a football. No, Philip Rivers to me is way down the list. Michael Parsons is easily 1 8. If not, you know, you know, if he's not tied with Mahomes, Michael.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, he's not on the level of Patrick Mahomes.

[Tom]

No, but he's on the level of Philip Dam Rivers, I'll tell you that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, he's, he's ahead of him now as a player. But, but I mean the, the, the stuff around Philip Rivers, the fact that they would go to a 44 year old guy, the fact that he didn't get killed to me is a bigger story. To me.

[Michael Wilbon]

No.

[Tom]

The Micah Parsons then the second best defensive player in the league on a team with super bowl aspirations. Not, not a chance in hell. I was not curious about Philip Rivers other than yesterday. The initial curiosity. That's all he is. And we did all that other stuff last week. By meaning, by we, I don't mean just you and me. I mean the whole, the whole national media got fascinated with Philip Rivers justifiably and necessarily Thursday and Friday, even Wednesday. Thursday and Friday. No, no. Michael Parsons on a game that is going to go to 40 million people on a frosty Saturday night in prime time. Micah Parsons is the deal. Micah Parsons is changing the fortunes of a team. Philip Rivers isn't changing the fortunes of anything except that he will distract get up and first take from the Cowboys because they don't have them anymore. I mean, Philip Rivers is done. Philip Rivers is over. His team is irrelevant. It is. I mean Seattle beat them close game. Good for Philip Rivers. That he, he did. He played better than I thought. Sure. I don't even know who, I don't know who Indiana has this week.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And.

[Tom]

Don'T care because they're not a factor. They're, they're, they're own division. They're out now behind Jacksonville, Houston.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, they're out now. There's. They're out. You know, I found it.

[Tom]

The caravan moves on for me.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay.

[Tom]

For me. Maybe others are interested in Philip Rivers. I'm not.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Let's talk about. Well, let's lump the Bears. The Bears at home, the Eagles at home, the Texans at home. Jacksonville at home. Beat bad teams one comfortably. But you Know, you're. You're a Bears guy. What are your thoughts about how the. I'm sure you were worried at the beginning of the game, although the Cleveland. Cleveland stinks. They have no offense. That they have no offense. They don't.

[Tom]

Well, all those games are. You accurately lumped them together. Yeah, but it also. That in itself is noteworthy because we hadn't had that teams that were supposed to win games. The reason there's no dominant team in the NFL this season is because the teams that. That won yesterday's games in that fashion, they had not done that. They'd been toppled. And yesterday teams asserted themselves.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You're 100% right. The home teams in things that looked like mismatches, created mismatches, Whereas in weeks 5, 8 and 10, they could lose those games. Right.

[Tom]

Any of the weeks going back to week one.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Tom]

So. So the whole season have been characterized by teams inability to do what they're supposed to do.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes.

[Tom]

To emerge. Is there. Is there a set of teams emerging? So these teams. I don't know that one is an emergence, but it at least played true to form for one late week.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So I have. And so, yeah, I have no idea. I have no idea what the. What show is going to be. I mean, Matt Kelleher will tell me what show is going to be. But if you asked me who had the most impressive win and whose trajectory is something you can have the most confidence in now, I would say Buffalo. Who would you say? Would you say? Yeah, Buffalo. Right.

[Tom]

Buffalo. Yeah, I thought Buffalo. Of those teams. Now, Tony, I will say this because Buffalo beat the best team.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. At their place.

[Tom]

And went down 21 and beat the best team.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tom]

I mean, look, Houston and Jacksonville look now like we thought they would last year. And then early this year, Houston and Jacksonville.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right.

[Tom]

So I think that, you know, you can group those teams legitimately together, but I would say Buffalo. Am I ready to pronounce them, declare them? No. Because New England was also a team that had a light schedule.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes.

[Tom]

They get confronted even at home by a tough team yesterday and they couldn't produce. So I don't want to go crazy, but, yeah, you and I, we're in agreement on that. If we talk about the most impressive win.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So we had a story last week. I think it might have been Friday, Thursday or Friday. And we were asked, Mike and I were asked, what's your super bowl teams right now? And you said Seattle and Buffalo. And I said the Rams in Buffalo. And I feel pretty good right now because the Rams that Was a good game. Rams and the Lions. That was a. The Lions are probably done right.

[Tom]

Well Tony. Not really, but let me. Let me agree with you again. So the show could be pretty boring. I would move off of Seattle a little bit. Just a little.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right.

[Tom]

I've been saying Seattle for the last. Since the trade deadline.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yep.

[Tom]

But the Rams looked better. And the Rams have this unbelievably diverse offense now with two running backs and two terrific receivers and a quarterback playing in the MVP level. So I do think the Rams would be that pick in the NFC today. But before we dismiss Detroit, Detroit has three winnable games and here's they're eight and six. So they gotta win the three games and it doesn't mean if they win the three games they'll get in.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That does not.

[Pat 40]

But.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Does not.

[Tom]

But the third game is at Chicago. And if Detroit was to be the Bears team that has the most difficult remaining schedule. That schedule is packers this week at San Francisco the next week and then Detroit.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's tough. That's tough.

[Tom]

Was to win that third game while the Bears win only one. The Bears would be at 11 and Detroit and the Bears. If they're both at 11, Detroit wins because they would have swept the Bears tiebreake.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So they got the tie break. Yeah.

[Tom]

Right. And in that case I was thinking about you last night because I said Tony's going to come back and say oh wait, the first one doesn't count because it happened in September.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, no, I'm not. This is not college. This is not college. No, no, no. This is not college. This pros. This is different. I was impressed also. I know they were at home. I was impressed with Denver because I thought they were going to be blowed out. I did. I did. Why I just the way Green Bay moved it early that, you know, watching.

[Tom]

Denver's 110 in a row. Yeah, they've. They're. They're always, they're always difficult to be at home where they played yesterday. I think Denver and by the way, you know, I could just as easily make the case for Denver as I make for Buffalo.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yep.

[Tom]

Buffalo does have a quarterback who's been through these wars that is.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Feels. It just feels like his time. I mean he's, he's stepped his level home.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's. Yeah. Feels like his time and yeah.

[Tom]

Mahomes being out. The Colts having lost their guy. With all due respect.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Tom]

But, but, but Denver, Denver's defense is. Is better than Buffaloes. And by the way, if that thing goes through Denver, I don't know that I'm picking Buffalo to win in Denver, Houston's defense, playoff games.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Houston's defense is better than all of them.

[Tom]

Yes, it is.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's better than all of them.

[Tom]

But the question is. Yes, but. But if we're looking at a tiebreaker here, and that's what we could be looking at, right, we're looking at. We're splitting hairs now, who has the best home field advantage among those three teams? And it. I can't separate Buffalo and Denver. As a matter of fact, historically, having covered 40 years worth of road playoff games in Denver, going back to the young John Elway, I'm.

[Pat 40]

I'm.

[Tom]

I'm tempted to say Denver, Buffalo and Houston in that order. Now, maybe somebody in these final three games will emerge and it won't just be a matter of home field advantage, but from what I saw yesterday, I thought the packers played really well. And they got beat.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, they got beat. Yeah. Denver.

[Tom]

New England stuck with it. Now, that game wasn't in Buffalo, but. And here's another question. What do we think of Jack? Are the Jaguars somehow equal to Buffalo, Denver and Houston?

[Tony Kornheiser]

They are, surprisingly. The Jaguars are surprising me because their quarterback, who I thought not. Not a bust, but was just not as good as I thought coming out of college, is suddenly real good. He's suddenly real good. Trevor Lawrence is suddenly real good. So we'll see.

[Tom]

They seem to have gotten together.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's right, the new coach.

[Tom]

And found the other parts.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Tom, there's a new coach. New England has a new coach. Chicago has a new coach. I don't think this is coincidence that because they got the right guys. They got the right.

[Tom]

They seem to have the right guys, at least for these groups.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I agree.

[Tom]

I agree that that rally for them and, you know, I don't know the Bears of those teams. You mentioned the Bears of the team that don't have anybody even remotely. That you'd mentioned for mvp. Not even remotely?

[Tony Kornheiser]

No.

[Tom]

Not even outside of the ball?

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, they don't yet. They don't yet.

[Tom]

You know, they've won. The bears have won 10 of 12 and. And have this huge game Saturday night. We'll see the packers, which will go a long way.

[Tony Kornheiser]

All righty. I'll see you later.

[Tom]

All right, Tom.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Michael Wilbon, boys and girls, we will take a break. We will come back with Pat 40. I'm Tony Kornheiser.

[Tom]

This is the Tony Kornheiser show.

[Tony Kornheiser]

This is a group called your old radio. They have sent us tunes before, I think. Yes, they have. They Have a show at the Pearl Street Warehouse on the wharf in Washington D.C. on December 18th. That's in three days. Yes. Today's the 15th, so.

[Pat 40]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So what is that? Thursday. Thursday, Right. Thursday. Yep. Thursday. This Thursday, December 18th at the Pearl Street Warehouse at the Wharf. This is a song called W equals fd. Work Equals Force times Distance. The third song from the debut February release. It's a wistful tune that tries to weigh the impacts of action versus inaction. So sent to us by Stephen Dawson. Very, very nice. You Old Radio Michael. If groups like youe Old Radio want to get their music played here, how do they do it?

[Michael Wilbon]

Send us your music by emailing it to jinglesonycornizershow.com and get yourself ready for the game. Not just practice by checking out the Iversons performance hoodie [e-mail] it's just great stuff. Get geared up for the holidays.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Great stuff. They play in Pat 40. Pat is on this show more than I am. I can't express my gratitude. I can't express my gratitude enough for this because college, he talks about college sports and you always need an expert on college. You have to start with Michigan. It's such a mess. I mean, without going into the character of Sharon Moore or any of the things that have been reported because you know, I mean, you know, his life is over, his, his professional life is over. But, but what does Michigan do that this is Pat. I assume that everyone is correct. I would certainly say if I had to rate the top 10 football programs in America, Michigan is comfortably in there. It's a great. What do they do?

[Pat 40]

Oh yeah, they're easily in the top 10, maybe top five. It's close.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Pat 40]

First thing they do is they fire their athletic director who I think has made some bad hires, seen them, some things blow up spectacularly on his watch and probably wasn't providing adequate oversight here of Sharon Moore in this situation. So that's the, that's the immediate problem is do you want this guy to hire the next coach? I think the answer is no. So can you make a fast move as an 8 on the ad and then hire a coach? You also have an interim president. I mean, the whole thing's in flux there. So I think even if this, you know, if you have to slow down and take three weeks to hire a football coach or four weeks or whatever, you're still going to end up with a good coach. You're apparently not going to end up with Alabama's coach. Although there was considerable speculation that Kaylen DeBoer was candidate number one and had some interest, but after that, you're still going to get somebody good. It's just a question. How far down the list do you have to go?

[Tony Kornheiser]

So when I was watching the day that this happened, I was amazed at how many people immediately said, Kalyn DeBoer. Where did that come from?

[Pat 40]

You know, I think he's. He's always had a bit of a fascination with the Michigan job. That's kind of been one of those that I think would have been really in his wheelhouse. He's from the Midwest. He's coached in the Midwest and two years in at Alabama, it's gone pretty well. But they don't want to do pretty well at Alabama. They want to conquer the world. So I think the feeling was, you know, is he really that happy there? Let's find out. And ultimately now it looks like he's. He's committed to staying at Alabama, but I think there was definitely some initial interest on his part.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Let me go backwards a little bit to talk about the Michigan program. I understand they won a national championship, but Jim Harbaugh did, I don't know, 3,000 things that were against the rules, and there are no rules. And he did things that were against the rules. Right. Didn't it start with hardball?

[Pat 40]

Sure.

[Tom]

No.

[Pat 40]

I mean, the entire program has been. They've either been winning championships or getting on probation. One or the other. Sometimes both at the same time. Frankly, it's been a mess off the field. I mean, just a complete mess. This is only the latest thing. There were two major NCAA investigations that resulted in penalties for Harbaugh and for the program. And, yeah, like you said, this is a time when it's really hard to find rules to break.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. And give them credit. He found the only rules that were out there.

[Pat 40]

We are not going to follow them.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I heard you say earlier that they may take three weeks, four weeks. Well, you know, what happens to their players? How do they keep their players? The portal opens January 2nd. How they keep their players?

[Tom]

Yeah, I mean, that.

[Pat 40]

That'll be significant. That that is the. Really, the pressing deadline, I think, there. But again, who's going to hire the coach? So. But what you got to do is. I mean, I don't know what their NIL contracts look like if they're. If it would be enforceable to try to keep them. So far, schools have been pretty reluctant to try to pursue legal action against players who have broken an NIL contract and left. I think Georgia is trying to take a Player to court who left for Missouri. So I don't know whether you could try to legally enforce nil contracts, say you have to stay. But clearly the best way to keep your players, especially your quarterback, Bryce Underwood, who was the number one recruit in the country this last year, is to have a coach on hand who can talk him in the stand.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You got any names?

[Pat 40]

Jed Fish is going to be a popular name now that DeBoer is seemingly out. Fish is the coach at Washington. Only been there two years. He replaced Caleb DeBoer, in fact, came from Arizona, has done well. I would not say. I look at him and say, that guy's going to go win national championships necessarily. But you know, he's been around. He's coached with a lot of the greats. He was a Belichick coach. I think he worked for Saban as well at one point. So, I mean, he's. He's been in some high powered programs for sure and he's done pretty well. But again, is that the kind of hire that everybody says, oh, well, we've got the next Jim Harbaugh?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Not necessarily anybody else's name is bubble up.

[Pat 40]

It's interesting. Matt Campbell would have been an obvious name.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. Why don't they just take him? He didn't start yet. Why don't they take him?

[Pat 40]

Is the contract, is the ink dry on the contract? I don't know.

[Tony Kornheiser]

What did I say on tv? I said, you say to the driver, we're not going east anymore, we're going north. Take a left. Take a left.

[Pat 40]

The. No, the funny thing like the Penn State thing kind of got slow for a few minutes and you just kind of look back and you start piecing some things together. And I think word was getting out that Michigan was about to make a move in early December. Yeah, I have some reason to think that was the case, that there were rumors out there to a degree, but also some people actually moving around, traveling around, talking to coaches for jobs that weren't open. And so that seemed like it might be percolating then. This is. This has kind of been out there under the radar for a little while.

[Tony Kornheiser]

This is an unbelievable year. Kelly and Franklin and Gundy and Napier and more and more. And it's an unbelievable amount of people who got canned during the year. Right. You never saw anything like this.

[Pat 40]

No. Incredible. I mean, amazing. Yes. Big time high profile jobs opening up and big time movement from one school to another. You know, we thought the Kiffin thing was wild and it still is. But I mean, that was supposed to Kind of be the end of the cycle. And now here we are talking about who's gonna get the Michigan job several weeks later.

[Tony Kornheiser]

All right, let me shift gears a little bit. Fernando Mendoza is a great story. Indiana is a great story. I'm glad he got the Heisman. Is he any good?

[Tom]

Yeah, he's good.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay.

[Pat 40]

Very good. Absolutely. I mean, he's just had a phenomenal year and he gave that Indiana what they need. Indiana was going to be better this year is just a matter of how much better, depending on the quarterback. And he's been outstanding. You know, he's incredibly accurate. Great army, unbelievable mind for the game. Really just a smart, smart guy. He's got charisma. He's a little bit kind of an endearing, almost like a nerd to a degree. But sometimes you want a nerd playing quarterback because he's going to do one thing, focus on how to be a good quarterback. And he's become one. He was the number 134 quarterback recruit.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I read this, I read this coming.

[Pat 40]

Out of high school and nobody wanted him. He was committed to Yale at one point and then finally got a power conference offer from Cal and went there. And if you heard his.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Where he actually graduated, like he's a student. He's a smart kid, apparently.

[Pat 40]

Very smart. Very smart. I mean, he was going to go to Yale. Graduated from Cal in three years with a business degree. He's legit. And his. His acceptance speech for the Heisman just knocked it out of the park. Really impressive guy.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Is he an NFL player?

[Pat 40]

I believe so, Absolutely.

[Tom]

Again, he's.

[Pat 40]

Sorry, six, five, with a strong arm and great accuracy. Throws the out patterns and the slant patterns really well.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So he's Drake May. He's Drake May.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Pat 40]

Maybe not as athletic as Drake.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay. Right.

[Pat 40]

But, yes. I mean, he. I look at him and think that he's going to be the first quarterback picked. And maybe the first player picked is.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Diego Pavi, an NFL quarterback.

[Pat 40]

Probably not. That's the reason why he's like 24 and still in college. Yeah, he's short. He's five, nine, incredible player, you know, has made something out of himself that nobody could have expected. You know, force of will, charisma, and everybody like, you know, Drew Brees did it. Well, there was one Drew Brees. Okay, maybe two, if you count Kyler Murray. To be that short and make it in the NFL is difficult to do, and he certainly didn't help himself in the aftermath of the Heisman here. He's. He's a little bit of a loose cannon off the field and, you know, ended up having to apologize for some fairly ridiculous actions and words after not winning the Heisman. And if you're a 59 quarterback, you need the GMs to find all the things they love about you. Don't give more things they don't love.

[Tony Kornheiser]

All right, I'll get you out of here on this. Notre Dame, what do they do? Do you. I don't know how they can stay in the acc. I just don't at this point. The, the. It's. It's just, just not doable. They believe that everybody hates them and they've said this out loud and most people probably do hate them now after they said that, where did they go? What do they do?

[Pat 40]

Yeah, it was quite a sore loser tantrum from them last week. But yeah, the interesting thing was the, the very direct shots at the ACC and use of legal terminology, irreparable damage was done. Makes you wonder if they are suing to try to. Yeah. To sue their way out of that league.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Pat 40]

I don't know whether they leave the league or leave or if they just want to set up a, a different deal where they don't have to. They're not contractually obligated to play as many ACC teams in football. You know, right now it's five. But there's some dispute even over that whether it's going to be six going forward because they're going to play Clemson every year and those games are going to count or not count. Stanford and so on and so on. But that was, that was kind of a sign, a warning shot for sure of things are going to change, you know, relationship with the acc. How exactly, I can't say for sure.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So you don't know. You don't take the position. I do that they are going to run right to the Big Ten which will open them, which will welcome them with open arms.

[Pat 40]

I, I don't think so. I still think. Because I do think the Big Ten would. Would draw a pretty hard line of we want you for football too.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Pat 40]

And you know, that's the question. They don't. They very much want to stay independent in football. That's the money.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They have their own TV contract. They're not stupid.

[Pat 40]

Stay independent is to do that in the ACC because they'll basically kowtow to you otherwise. I don't know what the Big Ten would, would do that or whether they just say, you know what if you're coming, you got to come as a full member.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay. And the Big Ten pays more money than the acc, so they have that power. They certainly have more power than the acc. Plug your podcast for us, Pat.

[Pat 40]

Yes, sir. Others receiving votes with Geneva Johanski and Brian Fisher taping every Thursday as of now. So check us out this Thursday.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Thank you, Pat.

[Pat 40]

All right. My pleasure, Tony.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Thank you, Pat. 40 is just wonderful, wonderful to have him. And at some point he's going to say, I'm sick of you and I don't want to come on anymore. I hope that doesn't happen soon. We will come back with email and jingle. I'm Tony Kornheiser. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser Show.

[Tom]

The Tony Kornheiser Show.

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[Tom]

Here comes Mr. Tony's mail back on.

[Tony Kornheiser]

The rezone for all of your folks. The great Darius Rucker singing us in. It's great. You want to do the Bethesda bagel ad? Yes, Bethesda Bagels, we love them. You will as well. Just go to Bethesda Bagels.com for the location in the DC area nearest you. Then pop on in. You'll be thrilled because if you go in today, you could get bagel sandwiches like we got. Fabulous. That'll do it for us today. Before we get to the mailbag, let me just say I'll be back in the high life again all the doors I closed one time will open up again I'll be back in the high life again all the eyes that watched me once Will smile and take me in and I'll drink and dance with one hand free Let the world back into me and oh, I'll be a sight to see Back in the high life again the great Steve Wimbledon. The great Steve Wyndham. Yes. Our thanks to our guests today, Michael Wilbon and Pat40. Thanks as well to today's sponsors. Remember, you can listen to us on Apple podcasts Spotify and Odyssey. Get the show through Apple. Please leave us a review from Patrick Vincenzio in Laurel, Maryland. Hey, old man, when your neighbor Alexander Graham Bell invented the phone, did you tell him you prefer sending telegrams? How long did it take you to adapt from the rotary phone to the push button phone? I was hang up and listen shot at me. Okay. Daniel A. Wilbourne Williams, Shelbyville, Kentucky. Dearest Grandpa Tony, I didn't get around to the Friday show until Saturday because being a man just turned 40 means sometimes you're running behind. On Saturday morning, my mother texted me about something being wrong with Dad's.

[Pat 40]

Phone.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That evening I called my dad and had a conversation with him about his phone update and he let me hear all his favorite four letter words about how terrible the update was. I promised him that when I came down for Christmas I would fix things up. Lo and behold, I start your podcast right after getting off the phone with him and other than the swearing, it's the exact same conversation. Michael, my heart is with you.

[Michael Wilbon]

Enjoy the holidays.

[Tony Kornheiser]

From Ed Butt I played I replayed for the woman to whom I'm related by marriage a rant about Apple updating your phone. Within seconds, she was excitedly and vociferously echoing everything you said, sprinkling her concurrence with words you would have to bleep on your podcast. Like you too, I hate when Apple volunteers to improve my device by changing the way to do things and by adding features I do not need and do not want. But I have a much bigger beef with them. I play a lot of music on my phone when riding my bike, especially off road on my mountain bike. I'm afraid to listen to your podcast lest I become too engrossed and wrap myself around a tree. Instead, I listen to music, mostly from our formative years I. E. Oldies. With them I can sing along word for word without any conscious thought. Years ago, I laboriously loaded over 5,000 songs from my own CDs, which I had bought and paid for, into my computer, and then sorted them into playlists to suit various moods and situations. For many years, I could simply run a wire from my ipod and later my iPhone to my computer and update the music on them. Then Apple decided to make that process easier by connecting my devices to my computer automatically and without my approval through their cloud service, for which I have to pay 999 every month. Using a wire is no longer an option. The bigger problem is that Tim Apple and his minions have decided that I do not have the rights to many songs, songs which I bought and paid for unless they are part of Apple's library. In many cases they substitute for my original recording, an inferior remake, or a live concert version. The ultimate insult, however, is when they replaced my original version of Mary Wells Is My guy with her mid-70s disco version. Damn you Apple. I hate you with the passion of a million suns. A cocktail fork to your eye would be wholly inadequate. May Mike Tyson stomp on your private part. Yes, yes, yes, I totally sympathize with that.

[Michael Wilbon]

Love the card.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Ed From Bill Mattfield, Fort Mill, South Carolina I love your rant on unwanted phone update. You give voice to all of our frustrations when we get an update, whether it's our phones, our computers, or the software we need to use every day to make a living, every software developer should have your words burned into their skulls every time they decide to change how things are arranged or how they appear. Just like one of those in laws who think they know how to organize your kitchen better than you. I'd rather have Chuck Todd come to my house and flip my properly arranged toilet paper rolls than to have these developers get their grubby hands on the software I use that at least I can spot right away and fix. Jason Poulin in Sudbury in Ontario in Canada, listening to your disdain regarding regarding the iPhone updates, Android users are faced with the same angst unwanted, unasked for, unproven, unnecessary updates which do nothing more than satisfy the fleeting whims of a junior programmer on a summer internship. It's good. Smart. Danielle McDavid I do not normally listen to sports shows, but my husband just played your bid on the iPhone update because I just spent the morning spouting the same complaints as I grumbled my way around the house trying to wish away the new liquid glass nonsense and other unwanted surprises from Apple's automatic update. I feel heard by the way we literally bumped into each other once. Or shall I say, I literally bumped into you downstairs at Nebraska Avenue many years ago when I was walking and script reading at the same time, unsuccessfully multitasking back when I was a freelance reporter at wrc. Sorry, I sent scripts flying and interviewed interrupted your stroll down the hallway. It's perfectly okay as long as you agree with me on this app. From Jim Moser in Landisville, Pennsylvania. The list of things I've learned from listening to this show is immeasurably long, but the thing I learned today was probably the most shocking at all of all. The phone belonging to the woman to whom I'm related by marriage performed its update Tuesday night. The diatribe I heard spewing forth from her upon discovery of this update was impressive, made even more so by hearing the same sort of stuff from you on Friday show. This leads me to the shocking thing that I've learned. Apparently I'm married to a 77 year old man. The woman in question still waves our small Canadian flag with you every night at the end of pti. Please tell Jonathan to eat it. So this is we have sort of unanimity in these things, right? There's no nobody saying you're. You're Zack Skolnick, Charleston, West Virginia by way of Conestoga, New York which is near Syracuse, during my four years at Binghamton University, often felt like we lacked the star power that other schools in the area like Syracuse had with their most famous alumni. Now, more than a decade, less than a decade Later, I'm a top 9% listener, one of the most famous Bearcats out there. Thank you Mr. Tony for all the hours of entertainment. I promise to keep listening until Flo starts our own podcast from Mark Gorman, Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada after hearing people writing in with their Spotify rap numbers in the eight thousands, I felt compelled to write with my number 172,202 minutes. Image attached this had me channeling my inner Ricky Henderson when he spoke to Harold Reynolds, winner of the stolen base title in 1987. Well, Ricky was injured. Quote, you ought to be ashamed. Ricky would have had those numbers by the All Star Break Al Ruggles Lexington, Kentucky Here are some more MRI fun facts for you to contemplate if you ever need to go into the tube again. As Jennifer, the radiologist from San Antonio, mentioned Tesla. Tesla is indeed the units of measurements for magnet strength. Tesla units are named for Nikola Tesla, as is the car, a Serbian American electrical and mechanical engineer who, amongst other things, developed alternating current or AC. I had. Parenthetically, we have 22 outlets in our kitchen. He immigrated from Europe to the United States and had laboratories in New York City, including one on Houston Street. As Jake from Utah mentioned, the copper cage lining some MRI rooms is is called a have is is called a Faraday cage, named after Michael Faraday, a 19th century English chemist and physicist who was pioneer of the understanding of electromagnetism and in the development of electric motors. Maybe his relation of Nigel's. I'm an equine surgeon and at our Veterinary Hospital open 24 7, we have put thousands of horses through our closed MRI tube without a single complaint. Doesn't surprise me. If you read this on air, please tell Andy Russ to eat it. Ben York Santa Barbara, California Dear Dr. Ron, longtime listener, occasional email, I am in my fourth year of residency training in Radiology at the University of Southern California. Throughout my training I've come to realize that many, if not most patients undergoing radiology examinations have little to no idea how each scan works. Your comments from Wednesday show compelled me to provide you with some facts regarding MRIs. The tube is a giant electromagnet that generates a magnetic field approximately 60,000 times more powerful than the Earth's magnetic field. The magnets manipulates the hydrogen atoms in your body, mostly in fat and water to generate a single signal that becomes the image. Whichever body part is being imaged must be in the center of the magnet. This is why you were mostly outside the tube for your leg scan and fully in the tube for your back. MRI uses only magnetic fields and no external radiation, unlike X rays and CAT scans, hence the lack of protective apron. The neuroradiologist, specialist in brain and spine imaging who will interpret your scan, will have completed four years of medical school and six years of residency training, including instructions in the physics of all imaging modalities. Apologies for the lengthy email, but hopefully this provides information for life and if not already taken, I'd like to be considered for the position Official Radiologist in Training of the show. Thanks for all of the years of laughs and insightful sports commentary. Your show has seen me through college, medical school and now more than half of residency. That's very impressive. That is very impressive. All of that stuff. Knowledge from Dave Rivers in Whitefish Bay, Wisconsin so great to hear your discussion of the Army Navy game with the incomparable James Carville. I thought, hey, I know that game. How you say in perhaps the ultimate David Aldrich moment. My own uncle Bill Fuchs covered that game in the 50s and 60s for the Washington Star. More so than today, that game was a big deal. I'm sad to say that a foreshadowing of Tony's own career. Uncle Bill flushed the mouse and left the sports page to begin writing feature articles for the magazine of the Sunday edition. Sound familiar, old man? Perhaps that's where all great sports writers go in the end. Who's to say? That's very nice. From John Chadwick of the Battle Creek, Michigan Country Club during the past week in the email segment, I've been told to eat it by defense attorney Tim Livingston and called an acquired taste by barely employed Steve Rebhan. They are frequent guests of mine at the course for golf and dinner. Neither of them are golf club members and I've never been reciprocated. Reciprocated? Tim once asked our pro about joining our club and the pro replied, why would you do that? You played here free for 20 years. Steve is left handed. Enough said. Great email from Wayne Mills. Two things. One coast to coast in Canada. We are big fans of the show. 2. Was great to hear you say or imply that you love your family. Was there a doubt? Was there a doubt? Mark lynch in Camby, Indiana I'm glad Jeff Ma brought up his son's performance at Spelling bee. I had 50 bucks on the kid making it to the quarters. I'll never have my own gambling podcast now. From Pete in Lake Elmo in Minnesota, it goes without saying that Alpha ties list of people that I know will be my NCAA bracket team name next year. Thanks as always for the entertainment. From Dave. And in Glencoe, Illinois, Tony quote alphabetized listing of people's numbers. Michael. Yeah. Contacts. That's it. That's the email. Love this show. And from Jock Stober in Elgin, Illinois. Hi, Ron. Can you please let Tim Kirchen know that yellow card will be touring this spring and summer with the plain white tees of newfound Glory. If you're out on your bike tonight, everyone, as always, do wear white. Let's try this. Your line, just say it as I say it. Say your line exactly as I'm about to. Okay, sure.

[Tom]

Would that it were so simple.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Would that it were so simple.

[Singer 1]

I said, honey, where you headed? You said where the crowds all roar. We got two teams and one lover and seats in the upper deck four. You wear the red bird jersey I put on my cubby blue. But the only thing in common that night was I couldn't keep my eyes off you. You're the queen of spooky season? Pumpkins on every shelf. I love Halloween just fine, darling, but you decorate like an elf as long as the clock strikes November. You say it's Christmas time but I' ma wait till after Thanksgiving. Got a man in a slower line. We're like Johnny and June in the moonlight. A little fire, a little sweet truth. We don't match up on everything, darling but I sure match up with you. You like pickles, ketchup, brussels sprouts? I don't, but somehow it all works out. We love the bears, love the Blackhawks too. And I love loving you. You been super light slow with the lights low. You laugh with friends every night. I'll take Seinfeld dry sarcasm or scrubs when I want something light. But no matter which show we're watching or whose playlist hits the road, we travel better together than either one of us alone. We're like Johnny and June in the moonlight. A little fire, a little sweet truth. We don't match up on everything, darling, but I sure match up with you. You like pickles, ketchup, brussels sprouts? I don't. But somehow it all works out. We both like to wander and chase something new.

[Singer 2]

And I love loving you.

[Singer 1]

Yeah, we got our tiny differences, but they make our, our song ring true. You bring a spark, I bring the steady Together we're something brand new. We're like Johnny and June in the moonlight. Two hearts, one wild tune. We might cheer for different ball clubs, darling, but nothing pulls me from you. You like pumpkins, scares and Christmas and June. I like waiting, but I still swoon. We love the Bears, Love the Blackhawks too. And, girl, I love loving you. Yeah, you like pickles, But I like you.

[Singer 2]

I was gonna get up. I was gonna get up, but now I need a minute. You noticed. I like the time that you showed us. How you going to win it?

[Tom]

How you going?

[Pat 40]

How you going to win it?

[Singer 2]

First to flower, first to fade. Wait an hour, then we'll have it made. But you're going in circles, baby. Everyone just notice that you're going through the motions again. Looking it up, I'm picking it down, picking it over. Try to get all of you down off the wall. It's written in the sky. Galileo, you and I should try and reconnect in the fall. Remember it all? I remember it all.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I was.

[Singer 2]

Me up until you brought me here. I understand the waves and rings or the better part of everything. But you're talking in circles, baby.

[Singer 1]

Talking in circles, baby.

[Singer 2]

Everyone has noticed that you're going through the motions again. Shaking it up, I'm breaking it down, Rolling it over. Thinking it might be time to make the call. Never going to die, Galileo, you and I should try and be connected. The fall Remember it all, I remember it all? Everyone knows that you're going through the motions. Thinking it might be time to make the call. Never going to die, Galileo, you and I should try and reconnect in the fall. We should probably reconnect in the fall. Remember it all. It.