“Capybara”

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Capybara" – The Tony Kornheiser Show

Episode Details:

• Title: Capybara
• Host/Producer: This Show Stinks Productions, LLC
• Release Date: March 3, 2025
• Description: "The Tony Kornheiser Show" is a daily, on-demand talk show that navigates from sports to politics, current events, entertainment, and whatever catches Tony's interest each day. Featuring regular guests and familiar segments, Tony brings his unique perspective alongside the expertise of his network of friends.

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1. Introduction and Guest Announcements

At the outset (00:00), Tony Kornheiser sets the stage for the episode by introducing the day's main topics and guests. He announces a conversation with Michael Wilbon about his recent trip to Los Angeles to attend the USC vs. UCLA game and with Jason Fraley to discuss the Oscars.

2. Oscars Discussion with Jason Fraley

Main Highlights:

Tony and Jason delve into the recent Academy Awards, expressing mixed feelings about the nominated films. Tony confesses his limited engagement with the Oscars, stating, “I didn’t see it. Don’t want to see it. I didn’t know any of the movies” (02:40). Despite his disinterest, Jason highlights the significance of certain performances, particularly applauding the animated film "Flow," which Tony admits he hadn’t heard of but finds delightful after Jason’s recommendation.

Notable Exchange:

• Jason Fraley: “Flow from progressive. And it’s... delightful.”
• Tony Kornheiser: “I will say this for anybody who understands golf. He did something that has only been done nine times in the last 50 years.”

Key Insights:

• Jason emphasizes the strategic opening of the Oscars with "Wicked" performances to attract mainstream viewers: “It shines a light on them and inspires us to go see them afterwards.”
• Tony reflects on the disconnect between blockbuster wins and mainstream viewership, revealing a nostalgia for a time when Best Picture nominees were also top grossing films.

3. Golf Tournament Highlights

Main Highlights:

Tony transitions to discussing a recent golf tournament held in Palm Beach, Florida, focusing on the unexpected victory of Fitzpatrick Highsmith. Tony expresses surprise at Highsmith’s performance, noting, “He triples the hole” (06:12), and highlights how unique Highsmith’s achievement is within the sport.

Notable Exchange:

• Tony Kornheiser: “What did you want to ask me if I saw.”
• Jake: “He never changed gears. He was ready to go.”

Key Insights:

• The conversation underscores the rarity of high-level comebacks in golf, with Tony stating, “There aren't 10 people in golf in the last 20 years who closed. 64. 64.”
• Tony shares personal anecdotes about the difficulty of following unexpected tournament outcomes, adding a relatable touch for golf enthusiasts.

4. Daylight Savings Time Debate

Main Highlights:

A significant portion of the episode revolves around the controversial topic of Daylight Savings Time (DST). Tony voices his frustration with the impending switch on March 9th, arguing that the timing is ill-suited for March: “We should never go to daylight savings time until April 1st, beginning of baseball season” (10:04).

Notable Exchange:

• Tony Kornheiser: “I hate this. I don't think we should have daylight savings time.”
• Jason Fraley: “I think there's growing momentum to do away with it completely.”

Key Insights:

• Tony laments the disruption DST causes to daily routines, particularly emphasizing the negative impact on children and dog-walkers.
• The discussion touches on broader societal implications, including business benefits for bars and restaurants versus personal inconveniences.

5. Listener Mailbag Segment

Main Highlights:

As the show progresses, Tony engages with listener emails, bringing a personal and humorous dimension to the episode. Topics range from local advertisements to quirky personal stories.

Notable Exchanges:

• Listener Story: Tony shares a lengthy email from Brandy Carlisle, detailing her meeting with Carole King and interactions at the Cleveland Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony.

  • Tony Kornheiser: “I made that possible. Just saying.”

• Humorous Interactions: Tony reads an email from Jim (“I”) featuring poetic snippets and humorous anecdotes, showcasing the show's lighthearted side.

Key Insights:

• The mailbag segment highlights the show's community aspect, allowing listeners to feel connected and involved.
• Tony's personable responses and storytelling elevate the segment beyond mere advertisement, fostering a sense of camaraderie.

6. Conclusion and Teasers for Upcoming Content

Main Highlights:

Towards the episode’s end, Tony wraps up by recapping key discussions and hinting at future segments. He teases an upcoming appearance by Michael Wilbon in Chicago and another conversation with Jason Fraley about the Oscars.

Notable Exchange:

• Tony Kornheiser: “We will have email and jingle when we return. I'm Tony Kornheiser.”
• Jason Fraley: “It's beyond the Fame with Jason Fraley.”

Key Insights:

• The conclusion reinforces the show's structure, promising continued engagement through emails and guest appearances.
• Teasers for future episodes maintain listener interest and anticipation for ongoing topics.

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Notable Quotes:

• Tony Kornheiser at [02:40]: “I didn’t see it. Don’t want to see it. I didn’t know any of the movies.”
• Jason Fraley at [02:47]: “Flow from progressive. And it’s... delightful.”
• Tony Kornheiser at [10:04]: “I hate this. I don’t think we should have daylight savings time.”
• Jason Fraley at [10:35]: “I think there's growing momentum to do away with it completely.”
• Tony Kornheiser at [39:51]: “You did.”
• Michael Wilbon at [33:47]: “I actually never really got into the red carpets and I went and covered it a couple times in person.”

Final Thoughts:

In this episode titled "Capybara," Tony Kornheiser masterfully navigates through diverse topics, from the intricacies of the Oscars and unexpected golf victories to the perennial debate over Daylight Savings Time. His interactions with guests Michael Wilbon and Jason Fraley provide insightful commentary, while the listener mailbag segment adds a humorous and personal touch. The episode exemplifies Tony's ability to blend sports, entertainment, and current events into an engaging and multifaceted conversation, making it a valuable listen for both regular followers and newcomers to the show.

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Transcript

[Tony Kornheiser]

Hey, it's Tony. On today's show, we'll talk to Michael Wilbon about his trip to LA to see the USC UCLA game. We'll talk about the Oscars with Jason Fraley. But first, commerce.

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[Jake]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

Previously on the Tony Korneiser Show. That's ridiculous. But it's about money and that's okay.

[Jake]

Just say, hey, this is a better.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Money deal for us and we're going to do that. That's fine. Thank you for being on. I didn't ask you any questions about really any teams or anything, but I just like to talk. Thank you, Jake. No, it's my pleasure.

[Jake]

And thank you for playing librarians with hickeys, because that was my experience as a younger person, as librarians are a freak.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Fantastic. The Tony Kornheiser show is on now. All right, so what we're gonna do today is we're gonna have Jason Fraley on to talk about the Oscars. So I'm not gonna talk about the Oscars much here except to say Dakota Arch Campbell. I didn't see it. Don't want to see it. I didn't know any of the movies. I didn't know any of the actors in any of the movies, with the exception of the two people who were nominated from the Bob Dylan movie. Just because I'd read about the Bob Dylan.

[G]

Sure.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I knew there was this movie. A complete unknown. Yeah. And I might like to see it. Even though it didn't win.

[G]

You can wait till cable.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. I'm just gonna say this. The movie that won Anora. Never. I never heard of it. I never heard of it. I never heard of most of the movies. But I will. I'm gonna back away now. And I'll say that to Jason Fraley.

[Jason Fraley]

Can I give a plug for the only movie I actually saw that was nominated. Did win last night. What was the animated movie called? Flow. Flow.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay.

[Jason Fraley]

Flow from progressive. And it's.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's. It's delightful.

[Jason Fraley]

It was delightful.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's an animated movie. I hope it's delightful.

[Jason Fraley]

I know you don't like animated. It's about a cat that, you know, there's a flood and he ends up in a boat with a capybara and a ring tailed lemur. And it's. It's just a love.

[G]

Captain Bars had great marketing the last couple years.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Jason Fraley]

They really have. The PR people for them have done. It's like a rat. Yeah, it's like a big rat. A big groundhog. Really?

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's not good.

[Jason Fraley]

No, no. But these are. These are be. Borrow.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Hold on. I've never heard. Did you make an Australian thing? Yeah, because. Yes, those animals. Oh, okay. It's one of those animals that doesn't exist anywhere else.

[G]

Did you make it for the start time?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. I knew it was gonna be early.

[G]

I totally missed it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I wanted to know it was gonna.

[G]

Be one thing and I missed it live.

[Jason Fraley]

I thought it was at 8.

[G]

I thought it was 8.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, last year was at 7.

[G]

Also go to my phone, press record. I've already missed it. I had to go to YouTube to watch the performance.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, I wanted to. Yeah, I'll get to all of that. I'll get to all of that, but not now. There's a couple of other things I want to get to.

[G]

Please tell me you watched the end of the Golf yesterday.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I did. I watched the end of the Golf. The Golf was in Palm Beach, Florida, at a course that I've Played. You've played. Everybody's played this course.

[G]

I've never played, but never played it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, I played it. It's got the bear trap.

[G]

It's got the Publix.

[Tony Kornheiser]

15, 16, 17 is the bear trap. Scott of Publix got Publix. Great supermarkets. It's the second week in a row that a tournament was won by somebody I had never heard of, I'd never heard of last week. Last week. I heard of the guy on Saturday. So when he won on Sunday, I knew who he was. This guy. I didn't even know his first name. It's. Who won it. Fitzpatrick. Is that his name you're looking at?

[Michael Wilbon]

Joe Ryan.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Fitzpatrick Highsmith.

[G]

Yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Highsmith from afar. Alonzo Highsmith from afar.

[G]

He looked like Joel Damon because of the hat.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's who I thought it was. But he was a lefty, and Joel Damon is a righty, and Joel Damon's a little bit thicker than his Joe Highsmith. I didn't know his name was Joe until, like, he was on 18.

[G]

Just a filler name.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He was. I didn't know who it was. Now I was watching.

[G]

There's one moment I want to ask you about. Did you.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, hold on, hold on. I. I was watching for much of the day, and then I went upstairs just to lay down when this guy, Napp Knapp, the former bouncer, he was a bouncer. He's got huge arms. Yeah, he's a bar bouncer. He's got huge arms. And he always wants to show you how big his arm. The biggest golfing arms I've ever seen. He was at -19. He was too clear of everybody. And I assume because I saw him win last year, I assumed he was going to win. I took a nap or something between 4:00 and 5:00. I came back, he was off the board, like. And then I later found out he tripled the hole.

[G]

So on number 10. Number 10's a par 5. He hits his second shot into the grandstand. Like, into a. A, A drinks tent.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Like, I saw that.

[G]

Yeah, Birdie's at.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, because it was on top. You get a drop, eight holes left. Yeah.

[G]

What does he do on the next shot?

[Tony Kornheiser]

11. He triples.

[G]

So I'm sitting there, I've got the little boys, we're doing magnetiles. I have it on mute. And all of a sudden the hammer looks up. He goes, he lost his shoe. And I go, I don't think he lost. I think he just took his shoe off. So he's in the water from the water, right? Attempt one does not clear the water. Attempt two gets up into the bank.

[Jake]

But he just.

[G]

He never changed gears. He was ready to go.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So he loses the thing, and the guy who wins it, I actually have never heard of him. But I will say this for anybody who understands golf. He did something that has only been done nine times in the last 50 years. This guy Highsmith, he made the cut on Friday, right on the cut line, which was minus five, right on the cut line. The leader at that point was like 15 or something like that because Knapp had thrown a 59 on Friday.

[G]

50 nines don't add up quickly.

[Tony Kornheiser]

59. So he's 10, 11 back, whatever it is, he closes on the weekend. 64. 64. I never heard of this guy. There aren't 10 people in golf in the last 20 years who closed. 64. 64.

[G]

Wow.

[Tony Kornheiser]

What did you want to ask me if I saw.

[G]

No, just about his playing from the water.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, I didn't see it. I saw a lot of people play from the water, though, over the three days that I watched. A lot of people got in the water, took their shoes off. Michael Kim went in the water and hit a pretty good shot. But you get. You get mud splash.

[G]

They've gotten better. Better at this. Traditionally, over the years, you'd see golfers stripped down to just their, you know, underpants, their boxers or something, and playful water.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. So I wanted to mention that for local football fans, Debo Samuel is coming to Washington. Debo Samuel has not done well the last two or three years, but if Debo Samuel is anything like he was in his good time, he's not old in his good times. In San Francisco, with McLaurin on one side and Samuel on the other side, you could. You could see the Washington team once again in the conference final. You could see that. I want to go further than that, but you could see them in the conference final because that's a big addition. And now I want to just get to the thing that everyone is expecting me to get to. Not now, but later. Not later today, but later in the week. But I'm going to get to it now because I hate this so much. If you are up in the morning and you have to walk a dog or just get up or whatever, you know that at this time of year, in the beginning of March, there is enough light in the sky that by 6:15, 6:20, you say to yourself, well, if I'm outside, I don't need a flashlight.

[G]

What is the official sunrise Right now we're at 6:25.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, I think it's probably later than that. I think it's around 6:40, 45 or 650. But there's light in the sky at 6:15 so that you don't feel oppressed by the darkness when 6:37.

[G]

Okay.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, okay. All right. And it's. And it's gaining every day. Yes. The problem is on Saturday night, Sunday morning, at a ridiculously early time in the calendar, we are going to daylight savings time on March 9th. We should never go to daylight savings time until April 1st, beginning of baseball season. Nobody should do it. But for reasons unknown to me, because it's not like people say, well, kids are in school, but you're hurting them in the morning. It's pitch dark in the morning. So now when it's light at, you know, 6:15, 6:20. Yeah.

[G]

That's middle school bus pickup.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'm sorry, that's seven next week. That's 7:15, 7:20. And you have to absorb a full hour of darkness.

[G]

But the bars and restaurants.

[Tony Kornheiser]

What about them? In the evenings. Yes. And that's what it's done for.

[G]

I think they would say that that drives some business to get people to stay where they are. Go out.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I just think you're. It's bad for kids going to school. It's bad for me walking a dog. I don't want to do it. I never want to do it. I don't think we should have daylight savings time, but I understand that I'm going to lose on that.

[Jason Fraley]

I think there's growing momentum to do away with it completely.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You know, I mean, have you met.

[Jason Fraley]

Anybody that's a big fan, wanted to.

[G]

Stay with Daylight savings?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, yeah, that's what I thought.

[Jason Fraley]

We'll keep it on. Well, keep it on. And just don't flip back and forth every, you know, six months.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't like it. I've also got something in my car. This is extraordinary to me. I love my car. I have an X3, and I love.

[G]

The car flex with the BMW.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I feel safe with it. I feel secure with it. I like the car very much. A car that is this advanced electronically. I have to manually change the time.

[G]

There's no way that's true.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Or I have to manually change the time. There's something I have to do. I call up all the time. I call up Mike Walker. I call up Mr. O'Brien, James O'Brien, and they walk me through it.

[G]

BMW, Fairfax. For those wondering.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I have to do that. I have to change it. I have to hit a couple of buttons to make that happen. It's just remarkable to me. I mean, I didn't. I never expect that. And I love the car. Love the car.

[Jason Fraley]

You wouldn't let it stand for six months and wait for it to go.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, because I'm car. I'm an obsessive, compulsive human being. So I stay up the night before and do it. I do all of. I mean, where I can. Where I have to. You don't have to do it. Certain stoves, you don't have to do it.

[Jason Fraley]

Yes, but the microwave, I have to do your phone. Your phone does it automatically, which is.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Nice, but other things, trying to sync.

[G]

Up the microwave to the automatic oven update. As frustrating as you're just waiting and waiting. Longest minute.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So I hate that.

[G]

And you don't get the benefit of extra daylight for golf because you don't like playing golf in the afternoon.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, I can't. Working. No. I hate. I hate this. I mean, if you wanted to do it at such a point, like April 1st. Yeah. In April, where there is enough daylight in the sky that absorbing an hour of darkness is inconsequential, fine.

[G]

It's really where you're coming from. Because for you. The last two to three weeks, because of the morning has been great for you. For us on the. On the other end, you get enough daylight with a little bit later sunset that the kids can stay outside after school. They can run around. It's beginning to get those, you know, those first feelings of warmth.

[Tony Kornheiser]

But 6:30, it's 6:30.

[G]

That's fantastic for us because that's dinner time next week. It's gonna be. When you get that extra daylight and.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It'S still a bl.

[G]

Like a high sun. When you try and go to bed and it's cold.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right. It's utterly useless. It's utterly useless in March. Whose idea was this?

[Jason Fraley]

It was Ben Franklin.

[Tony Kornheiser]

The only idea that I cannot blame Elon Musk for.

[G]

I can't.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It happened before him.

[G]

And I think we can try and trim some of the fat off of that sunset.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I just don't like it. I don't. I don't think it was Franklin.

[Jason Fraley]

I think so.

[G]

Really?

[Jason Fraley]

I think far back, I think, yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Really? Yeah. Before watches.

[Jason Fraley]

Well, they had pocket watches back then.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Jason Fraley]

By the way, can I show you this?

[Tony Kornheiser]

This.

[Jason Fraley]

This will give you a better Australian. This is the capybara. Give you a sense of how big they are.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, my. They are very big. Yes. They're chessy size?

[Jason Fraley]

Yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, they probably weigh 50, 60 pounds.

[Jason Fraley]

They say they can weigh as many as 142 pounds.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jason Fraley]

Yeah, it's a weight class.

[G]

There's always stories about these things, like taking over gated, like an aura.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I've never heard of Anora.

[G]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So what are they called? Camemberts?

[Jason Fraley]

Capybara. Capybara.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Capybara.

[G]

Wow.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They're giant rabbits. They look like rabbits, but they're gigantic.

[Michael Wilbon]

I know.

[Jason Fraley]

And apparently they're docile and very strange.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You're showing me all of these things on your phone?

[Jason Fraley]

Yes. The news channel. Eight people.

[Tony Kornheiser]

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[G]

Well, the event did. The event did and then some. And the performance. Juju Watkins is just. She's great to watch in person. My first time seeing her, I think my first time. Yeah. Because I was a sophomore. My first time seeing her in person, the event was great. Tony, I think I texted you just before the game. I mean, look, you know, for the last 25, you could find great games with, you know, pat Summit's teams 40 years ago and Gino Orgam's teams, you could find that. But to find an event like this for women's college basketball, not in Storrs, Connecticut, not in Knoxville, Tennessee, you know, not in Columbia, South Carolina.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right.

[G]

But in Los Angeles on Oscar weekend, on Academy Awards weekend, to find that kind of event, getting that kind of buzz, it was. It was just great. And I suspected it would, which is why one reason, one of the several reasons I wanted to go and the cross section of people would tend to game. It was just crazy, you know, I know this will resonate with you like it did me. I got a chance to be able to say, oh, he's just name dropping. Yell at a name drop for a second. I mean, I'm sitting there before the game. I got there early because I wanted to chat with people to see who was there and. Mark Wahlberg.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[G]

Who watches the show.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, he does. Oh, that's great.

[G]

Yeah, that's great. Talk chatted with Wahlberg about. He's a. He's a sports fanatic. He's a New Englander. He's a Boston guy.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[G]

He goes to games. He goes to games as if he was a sportswriter at one point of his life. He goes and stuff. He's there just. Just because. But so there's a. There's a cross section of that and the, you know, for me to see Reggie and Cheryl Miller sitting together in their respective jerseys.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Cool.

[G]

Reggie in his 31, UCLA and Cheryl in her. God, what did Cheryl wear? Sheryl wear three. Did she. Her Southern Cal jersey. Brother and sister, who are as representative of Southern California basketball just about as anybody over the last. Oh, my God, you know, 40 plus years they were there. Mike Warren.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, sure. Mike Warren played with Lu Alcindor.

[G]

Boys and girls, Mike Warren looks like he's about 40 years old. Mike Warren, Marcus Johnson, he was also an actor.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He was an actor as well.

[G]

Actor of renown. Marcus Johnson and John Legend, you know, brought his kids. He was there at mid court. And, you know, Eddie Drysdale, one of the great. Eddie Myers, Drysdale, one of the great players Ever.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[G]

And he just had this wonderful cross section of people. I'm sure I'm forgetting people. My friend Candace Parker, of course, was just, if you could, if you could get there, you wanted to be there.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Was this on campus or was it on a professional arena?

[G]

This is a Pauley Pavilion.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay. It was at Paulie. Okay.

[G]

You're sitting under, under the wooden stuff, under banners to walk into Pauley Pavilion and look at the case that is dedicated to John Wooden. So it was G. That was there. It's part like being in Springfield at the hall of Fame. And then it's, you know, I don't know. I don't know if Kareem was here. There had been a Kareem sighting on campus, but. So I don't know if I didn't see Kareem in the building, but he could have been. It's just, it was a wonderful event. And then the game, I mean, look, UCLA has lost two games this year. They came in having lost one game to usc.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. They lost twice.

[G]

A game that UCLA should have won in at Southern Cal, at usc. And, you know, this is a revenge game. This is a get back game. You're undefeated, you're ranked higher still. You're playing at home. And juju Watkins just came out and said, okay, well, I know they want us back. They're not getting it. And she had 20 in the first half. She's just, she's an assassin. She's just great to watch in person. My first time seeing the energy and the intellect she plays with was great. And, you know, I root, of course, for Kiki Rice, Susan Rice, Brock was at the game and part of the family contingent of which I was part. That's a big reason. Probably the number one reason I went was because of Kiki Rice and Washington's own. And Kiki really kept them in it when they got back within three. But every time, every time they got back in it, juju Watkins was like, no, take some of this. And it was, it was not a classic game. And they may play again. They may play again. They got, you know, they know. How about this, Tony? They go play in the Big Ten tournament.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. Why wouldn't they be in the finals of the Big Ten tournament? They should. They could be.

[G]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You know, and then they could meet again in the actual tournament. I mean, they could, it could, it.

[G]

Could be like the, you know, the.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You know, St. John's Georgetown.

[G]

It could be.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. I mean, that's how that works.

[G]

I'm sort of afraid the result is going to sort of be the same in that direction because by the time we got to the fourth game that year there was like zero chance for St. John's to win.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's right.

[G]

But it was just, it was, you know, I'm glad I went. That's one of those things that you sort of get right in the anticipation of how great it'll be.

[Tony Kornheiser]

What else did you do while you were out there?

[G]

Nothing. Nothing.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Just it. Okay.

[G]

I could have stayed for Clippers Lakers last night, but I wanted to. I'm going to see a third straight college basketball game today. I saw sack courtside last night to watch yesterday afternoon and watch our women, Northwestern's women loose to Nebraska and then tonight ucla, their men are here in Chicago to play my guys. So three college basketball games and three nights for me. So it's a little something.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I watched him, I saw the ending, the Alabama, Tennessee ending. I saw that live. Yeah, I had missed the Maryland, Michigan State ending live. You know, I saw it live too.

[G]

I saw that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I saw it the next day. This thing was just as good. Yeah, absolutely. Just as good. I mean, Tennessee is at home and Alabama is ahead the whole game and Tennessee claws back. I watched like the last four minutes of the game and the kid that Tennessee stops Alabama on an inbound underneath the Tennessee basket. If they inbound the ball, they're going to win the game. It's a five second count. I'm sorry, that's bad coaching. That's bad coaching. On a five second count, Tennessee inbounds the ball, the kid leisurely takes three, dribbles up the court and boom and boom. And Alabama's not on him. They're not on him. This is. Am I wrong, Mike? Didn't you think that was bad coaching?

[G]

Not necessarily, because I don't know what the instructions were. Oh, ok. I mean, you know, I remember just by way of. I remember covering a game some years ago, LeBron James and against the Wizards. Eddie Jordan was coaching the Wizards. The Wizards were good. This is the Gilbert Arenas, you know, and Antoine Jameson. This is that team. And they're going to win a series against the. Against The Cavaliers with LeBron James. They're going to win the series. The Wizards are. And there's three seconds left in the game and Eddie Jordan puts his arm around whoever he wants to stay on the baseline and just says, look, make him hit a tough shot. Do not give up. Do not give up. The corner. He'll take the corner. Don't do it. And he's so concerned, he Puts his arm around said player as the timeout ends, and he's walking that guy to the floor. So Eddie Jordan is now coaching on the floor as if it's practice. Don't give up the short corner. Don't give it up. He's going to get in that corner. I'm telling you. The kid looks at him and says, okay, they inbound the ball. LeBron gets it in the short corner. Sure.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Course.

[G]

Dribble shot. Game over. Playoff series over, Wizards over.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, well.

[G]

And I know it wasn't bad coaching.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, you're right. You're right on the story that. No, you're right.

[G]

It was, you know, it was bad excuse. So I don't know in this case, but. Yeah, I watched what you watched and thought similarly.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, just. That's what you think in the moment. And then I saw something that surprised me enormously. Not that St. John's won the Big east, but that it was the first time since 1985. I never would have thought that, Mike. Never. 40 years. The first time since St. John's one.

[G]

Exciting. It's exciting. I'd like to see them. Look, if I could somehow have fit in, you know, a trip to. To the garden to watch St. John's I would like to have done it. And that was Seton Hall. That's talk about, right? That's backyard rivalry.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[G]

Because S.E. hall's got any good. They don't have a team this year. And, you know, St. John's is excited. There's some exciting stories, some exciting teams. You have to familiarize yourself with it very, very, very quickly. Don and I were talking about this last night in that people don't know. You don't know who's playing college basketball, because they don't. They only stay a year.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's right.

[G]

And the ones who stay two or three years, they play for two or three teams because they all transfer. They all.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So this is. This is what I would do, Mike, if I was Duke, I would go to Cooper Flagg and his parents, and I would say, we got a lot of money here. We'll give you. You stay one more year for the physical maturation for you. We'll give you the first year of what you would make in the NBA. We'll give. No questions asked.

[G]

He's already. He's already get close to that anyway.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, I heard.

[G]

I talked to him. So I spent some time with coaches this weekend and before and after these games, and I was hearing about what people are getting.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Tony, it's millions Isn't it?

[G]

They're getting millions in a year.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[G]

Ginger Watkins isn't making like $500,000. No, no. Oh, no, no, no, no. Millions good earned.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes.

[G]

So, so, so yes, Duke is going to say that, Tony. But here's the thing. If this kid is as good as people one said or say two as he seems to be through performance, he's just going to want to go. He, they don't grow up that way.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He's physically, he's going to play against 32 year old man. He's going to get hit. Okay, wait one more year.

[G]

Why?

[Tony Kornheiser]

For what money? I mean, for the physical maturity.

[G]

The money is different. And you're not playing against the kids you want to play against.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay.

[G]

Because you. What you're watching people. You're watching guys on the Houston Rockets. You're watching Arthur Thompson who are two years older than you, who you might have played against the aau. You're watching them in the playoffs this year. So why do you not want to be in the playoffs next year?

[Tony Kornheiser]

You do, I guess I just, you know, I mean, he entered, he was 17 the first few games.

[G]

17 the first, the first month, you.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Know, and then you get up, you get in there and you play against guys who went to Kentucky 15 years ago and they say, son, have a taste of this.

[G]

Okay? But that, you know what, you're going to get that anyway. You're going to get that whether you're 18 or 21. So you may as well go get it now. That's what they're thinking. So a lot of these kids, I look, I'm around the last three years because of high school basketball and my own son. I'm around some of these kids now and I know how they think. And because I hear them, they're in some cases in my house. They're in my car. Oh, wow. You go into you in the pit. You're going to Xavier. You're going to wake. You want to. Wow. And, and, and so they're getting money, their expectations on them. They have played up to lofty expectations in high school. They're going to go to these schools, some of them for two years, but a lot of one. And it doesn't mean, Tony, that all of them are going to be pros because, you know, I rail against that because they're not. But the ones we're talking about right now, the ones we're talking about and Cooper flag. Look, you, you, that. That will bring you out of your house, down to whatever that arena is called now. On 7th Street. If. If he winds up on the Wizard. Oh, sure, he might.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He could.

[G]

He's got a good chance of winding up on the Wizards as anybody.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I know that. You're 100% right about that. All right, I'll talk to you later. Have a good day. Michael Wilbon, boys and girls. We'll take a break. Jason Fraley will join us when we return. We're going to talk about the Oscars last night. I'm Tony Kornheiser.

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[Tony Kornheiser]

Tony cornysershow.com they play in Jason Fraley. And we're going to talk about the Oscars. I have to say that I knew it would start early because it started early last year and I didn't know how much I was gonna watch, so I got to it. I'm not a fan at all of those red carpet shows. I just really don't. Although it's nice to see Jesse Palmer in a tuxedo, but those shows mean nothing to me. But when the actual show started and they brought on the two women from Wicked who sang their brains out, I just thought that was absolutely spectacular. What was your reaction to that, Jason?

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah, I'm with you, Tony. I actually, I never really got into the red carpets and I went and covered it a couple times in person. But, yeah, like, to me, I don't really care about. Yeah, and it's a cottage industry of itself. People care about who, what people are wearing, but I don't really care. I'm more about the work. I'm more about honoring the art form and the entertainment. And speaking of which, like you're saying it was really smart to open with the performances from Wicked. I mean, Cynthia Erivo proving she can hit that defying gravity note. I'm not going to attempt it, but it keeps going higher and higher. And it's just the way to draw in the mainstream viewers because most of these movies, you know, at least in recent years, a lot of mainstream folks haven't, haven't seen a lot of the nominees. And it shines a light on them and inspires us to go see them afterwards. But I think it's smart to draw, draw them in with a blockbuster like Wicked to open the show.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So I, I didn't know any of the movies. I really didn't even know the names of the movies when they gave an award out for Best adapted Screenplay, I just sort of sat there, had no idea. And I now it is very possible that I am an old man. I'm recalcitrant. I gave up on movies because of COVID I don't watch them at all, you know, even on cable because I don't even remember to put them on. Do I represent a growing number of people or a shrinking number of people in your mind for the last two or three years?

[Michael Wilbon]

Oh, I think you're spot on. I think there's a lot of people sort of in that same boat. And it's not, I wouldn't say that. It's not that movies aren't as Good anymore. I mean, Oppenheimer last year was a masterpiece and it was a blockbuster. That was kind of a rare thing. Great movies still come out every year. But I do mourn, like, what you're saying. I do mourn the fact that everything's so fractured now. Like, we aren't watching the same things anymore because there's so many different streaming platforms. Even movie going to actual theaters is down. So it's not like there's that water cooler conversation or coffee machine conversation. I guess like Seinfeld wanted to remind us it's changing. But. Yeah, no, you're right. Like, blockbusters used to win best picture all the time. Or maybe the better way of saying it, flip that. Best picture art masterpieces like Godfather used to be blockbusters all the time. I actually crunched the numbers on this. Tony. A top 10 grocers won best picture, like, 80% of the time during the 30s and 40s in the golden age, it was 90% of the time in the 50s and 60s, and then it was 100% of the time. A top 10 grosser won best picture in the 70s, which was that Hollywood renaissance. Tony, that's probably your era. Yes, watermark, certainly 100% of the time in the 70s. It started to decline in the 80s, 70% of the time. It dropped up 50% to only half the time in the 90s. And then in the 2000s, 30%. And then by the 2010s, 0% of the best picture winners were top 10 grossers. We had the Oppenheimer in the 20% outlier, but, yeah, wow.

[Tony Kornheiser]

0%. I mean, that's. That's very. I mean, what was the biggest. I've never heard of Anora. I never heard of it. What was the biggest surprise to you in terms of winning last night? Where you go, whoa, I didn't see that coming.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah, it was. I had predicted that Nora would win best Picture and director Sean Baker, just based on of the recent guilds and, you know, previous award shows. But I was surprised that it, you know, it won as many as it did. It won five. And the big surprise was the actress from Enora, Mikey Madison, winning best Actress. A lot of folks thought that Demi Moore in the Substance, based on previous shows, would win, but Madison landed the upset and it's it. She plays a Brooklyn sex worker who elopes with the son of a Russian oligarch. And then they sort of go on the run and becomes this, like, screwball kind of a. That dire, I guess.

[Tony Kornheiser]

But how could I miss that? Sounds so good. Yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

Well, I'm interested to see what you think of it when you watch it. I mean, I personally, I didn't care for it that it was one of my least favorite of the 10 that got nominated. I thought that the open the Act 1 sexcapades, we'll call it, got kind of redundant and repetitive. It kind of picked up in Act 2, but kind of shouty, lots of F bombs. And then thankfully, it sticks to landing in Act 3. But. So I'm on the one hand, I'm happy for indie filmmaker Sean Baker, but. But he gave a good speech about returning to the movie theaters. But, like, this one's gonna be polarizing for folks that, that go see it. You know, if you're, if you're not gonna pick a blockbuster like a Wicked. I mean, not everything needs to be Titanic or where we all are rooting for it going in or whatever. But, you know, we've already seen it. But these move. These award shows are supposed to shine a spotlight on these indie films. Like a Moonlight. You go see and you're like, wow, that was a masterpiece.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes.

[Michael Wilbon]

This. I think people when say, oh, I'm going to go check out Anora. I think it's a very unusually explicit best picture winner.

[G]

I will say, okay.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I mean, I expect the ratings to be high on, on the show. It's the Oscar show. I expect it's even people like me who don't see movies anymore. I watched the show and I watched it because I did want to see Conan O'Brien. Jason, what were your thoughts on Conan O'Brien's open.

[Michael Wilbon]

Oh, a Conan O'Brien is. That was. That was late night, you know, appointment viewing for me in college. He's. He's my generation's Johnny Carson or Letterman or whatever. But yeah, Conan, I was. I thought he did a pretty darn good job. I liked how he crawled out of Demi Moore's back like the substance and lost his shoe. That was funny. Cutting to John Lithgow in the crowd and Adam Sandler not dressing up, you know, Charlemagne and all the cool. I thought they had some, some cool banter. And so I, I enjoyed Conan. You knew he was gonna bust out some characters, you know, like he did on Late Night. So of course he had to. Sandworm from Dune, playing the harp and all that stuff. I wanted to see Triumph the Insult Comedy Dog. I don't think you saw him, but. But yeah, I thought Conan did a good job. I thought it was smart to open with Wiki.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No politics jokes, no political jokes.

[Michael Wilbon]

Jones tribute could have been more. I thought, you know, it was cool seeing Oprah and Whoopi, but I thought Queen Latifah doing the Wiz. I thought there could have been even more for Quincy's career, but overall, I thought it was a pretty entertaining show.

[Tony Kornheiser]

How did they handle. I did not stay up for this. I stopped after an hour and a half. I was done. I had enough. I didn't know what was going on. How did they handle Gene Hackman?

[Michael Wilbon]

They. They added him a little at the end of the In Memoriam segment. You could tell it was added at the end. I think we got maybe like three clips or three or four clips. I think they showed Unforgiven in French Connection, but I personally thought, man, I personally thought that you deserved even more. Like, I would have given them holes segment. I know it's hard to add last minute, but, man, that news. By the way, if you don't mind a detour really quick, that news shocked me, and it was just one of the great careers ever. I talked with French Connection director William Friedkin, and rest in peace to him, too, a couple years back, and he said he originally wanted to cast Jackie Gleason in the French Connection, and hackman was like 10th choice, but he ultimately was perfect. He said he was a gift from the movie gods, quote, unquote. And so much that, you know, when he's chasing that elevated train in the car chase, greatest car chase sequence ever. He said it worked because it was more about what was happening inside the car on Hackman's face than it was the wrecks outside the car. Robert Duvall I talked to, who said the con. He was in. The conversation with him, which, by the way, Coppola made between the two Godfathers. What a run. Duval said that Coppola told him that the Conversation was his favorite movie, even. Even more than the Godfather movie. So that. That's wild. And one final. Oh, Hank Azaria is on my podcast tomorrow. He said Hackman was underrated as a comedic actor because they were in the Birdcage together. And of course, Young Frankenstein. He must have been the tallest one in your class as the blind man. Young Frankenstein. But he had range, man. Gene Hackman had range.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I know. I just wonder, you know, if there. I wonder when you're putting that together and you still don't know how he died and how his wife died, you still don't know, really, if there's reluctance, if there's. I don't know that we can go there. I don't know, we can celebrate him too much, you know, because we just don't know what happened. Did you get any of that sense, or did it seem reasonable to you, the way they put it together?

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah, that's actually a really good point, especially because, you know, it seems like with each passing day, there's more updates on just how uncertain it was. I know a lot of. There was speculation of what maybe like carbon monoxide or something when we first heard about it, and now. And it seems like that, you know, maybe. Maybe that isn't the case and that, you know, and they've actually, probably were actually, sadly, had been passed away for like, you know, maybe even, many days, even weeks before they found the bodies. But it's hard to comment until we know exactly what happened. But, yeah, you might be right. Maybe the Oscar producers were like, well, we don't want something to come back and bite us if something more nefarious. I don't know. I think it was more just the last minute they were trying to. They wanted to.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, yeah, that thing, the In Memoriam thing is a great thing every year. Yeah. And Morgan, work on it hard.

[Jason Fraley]

And Morgan Freeman got up and spoke and said a few words about Hackman because I guess they were lifelong friends.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, that's good to know.

[Michael Wilbon]

Jason forgiven together.

[Jason Fraley]

Oh, that's right. Oh, that's right.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Are there two or three movies that we need to see that we have to see either on cable or however you get them?

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah, I mean, I think the one movie that maybe more be like a middle lane track for, you know, more like, you know, regular adult viewers would be. Would. Was probably Conclave. Did you all see Conclave?

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, I didn't see it. I heard about. I know what it's about, but I didn't see it. That's good. Conclave's good.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah. I think that it would be more appealing to, like, a mainstream audience, but also, you know, the acclaim, very fine to great. And he's never won, so I was kind of maybe rooting for him, even though Adrian Brody beat him for the brutalist and brutal. But Brody had already won before.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's right.

[Michael Wilbon]

For the Pianist. So, you know, I was maybe. I was hoping maybe they, you know, give Rafe his day or even Timothy Chalamet. I know last time I came on, we talked about the Bob Dylan movie. A lot of folks thought that Timmy might. Might win, but. But he didn't. Brody. Brody hung in there. So, yeah, I would say. I would say. I would say give Conclave a shot. And my personal favorite, actually, was Nickel Boys. It's directed by Georgetown Hoya alum of the basketball team Rommel Ross. I would recommend that to anybody. I think that advanced the art form more than any movie this year. Even more than Anora. It's told entirely from the main character's pov. So you're basically seeing through the main character's eyes and you might catch a glimpse of him in a window reflection or a mirror or something. But the way it was told just blew me away. I thought that was like should have been like this year's moonlight, like getting all the indie acclaim. But instead they gave it to Anora, which again, I don't know. I caution that's a hard one to recommend.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, all right. Plug your podcast for us. Tell people where they can listen.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yes. Oh thank you so much. It's beyond the Fame with Jason Fraley. We have different guests that are coming to the D.C. area or just national news. Like I said, Hank Azaria is coming on tomorrow, so you'll get to hear him do a lot of Simpsons impersonations, Chief Wiggum and Mo the Bartender and all that. He's coming to do a Bruce Springsteen tribute band in our area if folks want to check him out. But that's the podcast beyond the Fame.

[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

That'll do it for us today. Before we get to the mailbag, let me just say life goes on day after day Hearts torn in every way so ferry across the Mersey because this land's the place I love and here I'll stay. That's Jerry Marzin Jerry and the Pacemakers. Ferry across the Mersey. Thanks to our guests today, Michael Wilbon and Jason Fraley. Thanks as well to today's sponsors. Remember, you can listen to us on Apple podcasts Spotify and Odyssey. Get show through Apple. Please leave us a review from Chris Band Sells in Forest Hill, Maryland. My kid is running out of toothpaste. Can I order some straight for you? Straight from you? How's your shipping compared to that Amazon thing. They'll even take the white off your hands. P.S. is a librarian I can can confirm Jay Bilis's assessment. We are freaks from Sam Angel Our friend Sam angel now in Silver Spring, Maryland. I wanted to let you know that I bought a tube of aqua colored Crest to send to you, but in anticipation of my perfect bracket and subsequent victory in your little spool, I'll just keep it my gums, thank you. P.S. if you think you got too much toothpaste, just imagine how confused the new owners of the Chatter building must be. It's funny not Matt Abbott Ball. Wonderful guy. Has the running store in Evanston.

[Jason Fraley]

Oh yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Love Matt Dear Dr. Tony, the story on Wednesday about the 30 pints of ice cream reminded me of a funny story. Do you remember the time Wilbon came to the Commonwealth Running Company and bought 30 pairs of Hokas? Me neither. Matt from Evans it's funny. Paul Quinn Armadale, West Lothian, Scotland is someone buying 30 pints of ice cream in the refugee Safeway, the terra firma equivalent of an ice cream party at sea? Was there a call of there's another one down the Haagen Dazs on special to make room from the manager there. Kind regards the official Scots man of.

[G]

The TK Manager Special?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, from Ken this is very long. Oh my gosh. It's like pages and pages. Ken Rabbit in Twinsburg, Ohio including pictures. Please see the attached photograph posted on Ms. Carlisle's Facebook page. That is one Brandy Carlisle and Carol King. And that picture and that meeting would never have taken place without me. I'm a talent escort for the Cleveland Rock and Roll hall of Fame induction ceremony.

[Jason Fraley]

How about that?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Wow. Having done so now four times in 2021, I was responsible for Brandy the entire time she was on site for shows and rehearsals. She and the twins that comprise our band and harmonize so beautifully were there to pay tribute in memoriam to the Everly Brothers by performing All I have to do is Dream Spectacular. Carole King is an inspiration. Inspiration to just about every female singer songwriter. Brandi wanted to meet her, so I said I'd see what I could do. Unfortunately, she made this request at about 7:40pm the show started at 8. Carol was the first inductee. This made the task difficult. Fast forward about an hour and a half and Ms. King is inducted. Finished performing and done running the press circuit, she is then ready to head out. I need someone to pull Brandy from her table. She sat with, among others, Paul McCartney, Keith Urban and Nicole Kidman hello. While that is happening, I asked Ms. King escort to tell her Brandi is coming and ask her to stay a bit. Well, I did it. Brandi went into our dressing room and this photo was proof. I made that possible. Just saying. At the end of a very long evening. The show ran four and a half hours. We're all in the dressing room and I'm helping everyone, including Brandi get into the limos. I asked her how the meeting went, she pulled out her phone and showed me the picture. Pretty special. I also helped facilitate the other attached photo, the meeting of Belinda Carlisle and Brandi and the rest of the Go Go's. Belinda and Brandy often get confused for each other. Figure that. OK, long email. I apologize. Last thing. Brandy's wife was Sir Paul McCartney's personal assistant for about a decade. So I did get to meet and briefly chat with Sir Paul and that was not the first such time for me. Thanks for all that you do. The podcast is a must. Listen, that's really nice.

[Jason Fraley]

Isn't that great?

[G]

But did you touch a beetle?

[Jason Fraley]

You have touched a beetle.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, I touched a beetle. I touched two beetles actually. John 1:1 is the marginal beetle. John Marshall Durham, North Carolina where Bootsy was Durham, yeah. Yeah. How about that? In response to the chilijangles, my CO Walker Sean is a big chili guy. He told me once participated in a chili competition. He got second but later found out that the person who beat him had bought Wendy's chili and passed it off as their own. He's still understandably very bitter about this. By the way, number six one at Clown.

[Jason Fraley]

Oh, number six one.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, I did.

[G]

Didn't they just take the old burgers from Wendy's and just put them into.

[Tony Kornheiser]

A pot and that's what their chili was?

[Jason Fraley]

Probably.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. Adam in Bellevue, Washington hi Mr. Tony, do you think Dak will get his money? I'll hang up and listen. From Brandon Connor, Kilgore, Texas I believe there are currently eight planets including Earth. Pluto is on the outside looking in, but could help its chances with a deep run in the conference tournament. The athletic director is currently looking to move into a bigger conference up their case as well. They're going to need bigger nil funding to compete in the sec. Did you see the planets you said you were going to go up on?

[Jason Fraley]

I looked and it was too bloody cold on Saturday. I couldn't stay up there. I only saw. I think I saw two and then I was like, that's it. That's all I could do.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I get this thing as a little. This caught my eye. You may not know this, but Calvert Woodley Fine Wines and Spirits, Home of a Cheesery has sold. I was aware of that. Yes. Thanks to Sam for passing on from Calvert Woodley after 26 years at Calvert Woodley is with heartfelt emotion and gratitude that I announced the sale of CW to Jay and Tanvi Patel from nearby Chevy Chase, Calvert Woodley and Woodley Wine and Liquor before that. Has bill in my family since 1966. Isn't that lovely?

[Jason Fraley]

That is lovely.

[Tony Kornheiser]

From Tim Cree, Fort Collins, Colorado. Can I assume that the band we just heard about, Librarians with Hickeys, has hit songs like Check Me out and Dewey Decimal?

[Jason Fraley]

Do we ever.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's funny. James Story, Cardiff in Wales who? Hello. From across the pond in Cardiff, Wales. First time, long time. As a lover of musical theater, I was delighted to hear the woman from Florida who wrote into the show and mentioned the discontinuation of Sen. Sen, which was used to hide the smell of cigarettes. I adore the music man, but could never understand what Harold Hill was saying when he mentions Sen. Sent to the concerned parents of River City. Is it safe to assume that many of your listeners have memorized jokes from Captain Billy's Whiz Bang? Are you so concerned that certain words are creeping into their conversation, like swell and so's your old man? Well, if so, my friends, you got trouble right here in River City. Capital T and it rhymes with P and it stands for pool. You didn't think I knew that, huh? Really?

[G]

Well done.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Sol Goldenberg, Newfoundland, New Jersey. Not Newfoundland. Newfoundland, New Jersey.

[G]

Wow.

[Jason Fraley]

New Jersey.

[Tony Kornheiser]

As a graduate of SUNY Albany, I feel it is my duty to explain how to read an electric bill to a graduate of Harper College. Your electric bill has two charges, supply and delivery. Supply is the charge based on your usage. This is based on actual electricity you consume. Delivery is a cost that covers the expense to get the electricity to your house. This covers the infrastructure out there in the world, like the wires above and below ground to get the power to your house. Maintenance of the substations, tree trimming around power lines, emergency work crews that go out after storms. It probably even includes the infernal call centers that cause you such agita. These expenses are put into a bucket and then divided up proportionally based on your usage. See the supply chart. So the more you use, the higher your supply and delivery charge. The more it costs to maintain the electrical infrastructure, the higher the delivery charge. Always love you to explain the simple things in life. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Thank you from Luis Quintero in Spring Hill, Florida. I've been listening to the podcast for a couple of years. It's probably the only time I'll email Did Tony work at the Washington Post? Just saw the trailer for the documentary on prime about Katherine Graham, I think. Did you know her? You got a story. Thank you for the podcast.

[Michael Wilbon]

She worked for the Post.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, yeah, I knew her. I have. Carol has seen the documentary. I think it's called Becoming Catherine Grant.

[Jason Fraley]

Oh, but it's phenomenal.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You know is in it Remnick oh well, sure remnants in it. Yeah. Michael Benedetti, Santan Valley, Arizona we get a lot of mail from San Tan Valley. Was anyone else impressed? Booger could recite the entire Eagles offensive line height and weight from memory while driving. I can't even remember what color pocket square Wilburn wore on the most recent PTI while I'm driving around North Scottsdale. It's a great email. If you're on your bike tonight, everyone is always do wear white. How much weight do you think I could bench press?

[G]

Just make a guess.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Ballpark figure.

[I]

Oh maybe she's got a reason I tomorrow your acts of treason we kill dreams oh with the seasons cover my actions out from this even shadows.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Nothing.

[I]

The shadows make these things I have a reason there's no touch I'm to believe in she has color lack of emotions all blue and shades of green My dreams L oh in between oh baby say what you mean don't you leave me don't you leave the shadows the shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow Nothing but a shadow nothing but a shadow nothing but a shadow Back before her you were beautiful Long before I lived down here beneath these cries of these doors no sand all the things you cannot cry this year you're walking faster cuz you're colder out now I told you not to come down here but it's an air nice chest with just a handful of fun Must have been a mighty skylight to keep you silent all that way can't you weary left me very cold but I decline to shake that way these perfect pictures this brand new D ran far from all these days of had it out you used up all your good stuff so long ago just to find a better ways my step and I the mighty skyline lord keep you silence all that way start you right to still be waiting right here.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Sa.

[I]

Places that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You go.

[I]

Cuz darkness wins over everything leaves you shining just the same mustang in the mighty skyline lord keep you silence all this while shout you right to still be waiting right here. Just lie there still I keep returning. Must have been my cabin. I remember scattered my capab, my cap. You might am out of sky matter my sky.