"Chicken for Chessie"

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Chicken for Chessie" – The Tony Kornheiser Show

Release Date: July 3, 2025
Host: Tony Kornheiser
Guests: Ann Hornaday, Chris Cillizza, Mary Carillo

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I. Introduction

Tony Kornheiser kicks off the episode by announcing the day's main topics: the prevalence of reboots and remakes in Hollywood, alongside a discussion on unexpected upsets at Wimbledon. His initial banter includes humorous interactions with Chris Cillizza and Sean regarding Carvana and McDonald's advertisements, setting a lighthearted tone for the show.

II. Hollywood Reboots and Remakes with Ann Hornaday

Time Stamp: [00:00 – 01:00]

Tony introduces Ann Hornaday to delve into the current trend of Hollywood reboots and remakes. The conversation highlights the often repetitive nature of such projects and their impact on the film industry.

• Ann Hornaday: "We've all done that. And, you know, some of them work once in a while." [25:22]

The discussion underscores the challenge of balancing originality with commercial viability, questioning whether the formulaic approach dilutes the essence of filmmaking.

III. Chris Cillizza Celebrates an Emmy Win

Time Stamp: [01:00 – 05:00]

Chris Cillizza joins the show to share his excitement over winning a Capital Area Emmy for his show "Politics. This." The segment captures the camaraderie between the hosts and guests.

• Chris Cillizza: "Politics aside with Chris Cillizza." [02:15]

Tony playfully teases Cillizza about accepting the Emmy, leading to humorous exchanges that reveal the relaxed and friendly atmosphere of the show.

IV. Washington Nationals' Bullpen Woes

Time Stamp: [08:00 – 15:00]

Tony and Chris shift focus to sports, specifically criticizing the Washington Nationals' bullpen performance. They discuss the ineffectiveness of relievers like Jose A. Ferrer and the overall impact on the team's season.

• Tony Kornheiser: "The Nats have the worst bullpen in baseball." [11:09]
• Chris Cillizza: "Washington, 5.84 ERA. Terrible." [13:20]

This segment delves into the strategic missteps and the frustration surrounding the team's management decisions, highlighting the broader implications for the Nationals' playoff aspirations.

V. Dog Chessie's Digestive Issues and Tony's Culinary Endeavors

Time Stamp: [14:00 – 20:00]

A heartfelt and humorous discussion unfolds as Tony shares concerns about his dog, Chessie, experiencing digestive problems. The conversation explores the lengths Tony goes to ensure Chessie's well-being, including preparing special chicken and rice meals.

• Tony Kornheiser: "I have a crisis. I love my dog, but is the dog really going to know if I eat some of this chicken?" [16:53]

Guests and co-hosts offer supportive and comedic remarks, emphasizing the universal challenges pet owners face. The segment balances emotional concern with Tony's lighthearted approach to the situation.

VI. Wimbledon Upsets with Mary Carillo

Time Stamp: [40:32 – 55:26]

Mary Carillo joins the conversation to discuss the surprising turnovers at Wimbledon. The dialogue covers key matches, player performances, and the implications for upcoming tournaments.

• Mary Carillo: "Coco won the US Open a couple of years ago, but going out in the first round seemed to me, you know, that said something not good." [50:09]

The guests analyze player strategies, surface preferences, and the shifting dynamics in the tennis world, providing listeners with in-depth insights into the sport's current landscape.

VII. Insights on Cinema and Directing with Ann Hornaday

Time Stamp: [24:59 – 38:20]

Ann Hornaday and Tony engage in a deep dive into the art of filmmaking, discussing iconic movies like "Jaws," "Rush," and the enduring legacy of directors like Steven Spielberg and Ron Howard.

• Ann Hornaday: "It's the humanism that made Spielberg so wildly successful." [27:00]
• Tony Kornheiser: "Steven Spielberg is a giant for a lot of reasons." [27:22]

The conversation touches on the balance between commercial success and artistic integrity, celebrating films that have transcended their genres through storytelling and character development.

VIII. Mailbag and Listener Contributions

Time Stamp: [56:15 – End]

Tony opens the mailbag segment, reading listener emails and messages that range from humorous anecdotes to personal stories. Notable contributions include:

• Pat Bears: Discussing a lost Kindle and reflecting humorously on missed possessions.
• Barry Taylor: Sharing frustrations with customer service interactions.
• Dana Ost: Mentioning the success of Saliza's alma mater in lacrosse.

These interactions showcase the community aspect of the show, allowing listeners to connect through shared experiences and lighthearted banter.

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Notable Quotes

• Tony Kornheiser on Reboots: "It's a business, right? It's only art once in a while." [27:55]
• Chris Cillizza on the Emmy: "The show is way better than I thought it was going to be." [03:08]
• Mary Carillo on Filmmaking: "It's about the humanism that made Spielberg so wildly successful." [27:00]
• Tony on Dog Chessie: "I have a crisis. I love my dog, but is the dog really going to know if I eat some of this chicken?" [16:53]

Conclusions and Takeaways

• Hollywood's Reboot Phenomenon: The episode critically examines the saturation of reboots and remakes in the film industry, questioning their impact on originality and cinematic quality.

• Sports Analysis: Insights into the struggles of the Washington Nationals’ bullpen and unexpected outcomes at Wimbledon provide listeners with a nuanced understanding of current sports dynamics.

• Personal Stories: Tony's discussion about his dog Chessie adds a personal touch, blending humor with genuine concern, highlighting the show's ability to balance diverse topics.

• Cinema Appreciation: Celebrating the craftsmanship of renowned directors and iconic films underscores the importance of storytelling and character development in creating enduring cinema.

The episode "Chicken for Chessie" effectively weaves together discussions on entertainment, sports, personal anecdotes, and community interactions, delivering a rich and engaging experience for listeners.

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For those who haven't tuned into this episode, "Chicken for Chessie" offers a blend of insightful conversations and relatable humor, capturing Tony Kornheiser's unique perspective alongside the expertise of his esteemed guests.

Transcript

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's Tony. On today's show, we'll talk about the scourge of reboots and remakes in Hollywood right now with Anne Hornaday. And we'll talk with Mary Carillo about all of the upsets we've seen so far at Wimbledon. But first, let's do some commerce.

[Carvana Representative]

Boys and girls, thanks for selling your car to Carvana. Here's your check.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Whoa. When did I get here?

[Carvana Representative]

What do you mean?

[Chris Cillizza]

I swear it was just moments ago that I accepted a great offer from Carvana online. I must have time traveled to the future.

[Carvana Representative]

It was just moments ago. We do same day pickup. Here's your check for that great offer.

[Chris Cillizza]

It is the future.

[Sean]

It's.

[Carvana Representative]

It's the present. And just the convenience of Carvana. Sorry to blow your mind.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's all good. Happens all the time.

[Carvana Representative]

Sell your car the convenient way to Carvana. Pick up. Times may vary and fees may apply.

[Tony Kornheiser]

If you went on a road trip.

[McDonald's Representative]

And you didn't stop for a Big.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Mac or drop a crispy fry between the car seats or use your McDonald's bag as a placemat, then that wasn't a road trip. It was just a really long drive at participating McDonald's.

[Ann Hornaday]

Previously on the Tony Kornheiser Show.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So they came up kind of the rough and tumble side. They both hit it big in Southern California. They were both your. Your kind of a little bit flashy, you know, Gray hair.

[Sean]

Silver. Silver hair.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Sunglasses. Oh, they had a look. Oh, they had a look. Oh, for certain. I mean, Baffert looks like a jewel thief. Come on.

[Ann Hornaday]

The Tony Korneiser show is on now.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I say that with admiration for sure. I think Baffert looks great. We invite Chris Cillizza here. He drops the microphone. Already broken the microphone. The moment that we start breaking the equipment, you know, thank God Sean is here as well and can fix everything. We are more crowded than we've ever been on this show. We needed to bring in extra chairs.

[Mary Carillo]

Sean jumping into the ring.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, that was.

[Chris Cillizza]

By the way, Sean. John fixed that immediately. I was testing him.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Cillizza]

I wanted to see if he was ready for it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Does everybody know that you've won an Emmy?

[Chris Cillizza]

I mean. Oh, no, parentheses, Capital area Emmy, but an Emmy.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You won an Emmy.

[Chris Cillizza]

Yes, and I'll be demanding significant financial remuneration from the show as a result.

[Tony Kornheiser]

What is the name of the show that won?

[Chris Cillizza]

It is called Politics. This is the best part about it because my name is in the name. Politics aside with Chris Cillizza.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And who did you beat to get this Emmy. And were you at the dinner? Was it a dinner? Were you at.

[Chris Cillizza]

Don't know who I beat?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Possible.

[Chris Cillizza]

We were the only nominee, but I.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Don'T think we were the only nominee.

[Mary Carillo]

Was that Salizza with one L or three?

[Chris Cillizza]

That's three L's, as always, and one Z. We. I don't know who we beat. I definitely wasn't at the dinner.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, so you didn't make a speech? You didn't say. Well, I thought I did make a speech.

[Chris Cillizza]

It was in the privacy of my own home.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay.

[Nigel]

No, here we go.

[Chris Cillizza]

All I know is that we had been nominated for. I mean, nominated.

[Tony Kornheiser]

We.

[Chris Cillizza]

We Collective, your friends and mine at Monumental Sports, put our show up for a bunch of awards, and we won this one. So it was great.

[Tony Kornheiser]

What's the award? What's the name?

[Chris Cillizza]

You know, it's best. Best original show.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, okay.

[Chris Cillizza]

Which is kind of cool. The show is. I will say, the show being way better than I thought it was going to be. Just because, like, you know, I have low expectations for myself. You know, I'm like, this may. Or exactly. Soft bigotry of low expectations. And it wound up being great. Like, we talked to all these fun politicians and former politicians and people are in politics about, like, the sports they played. I went to a. I went to an MMA gym. There's a woman in Congress named Charisse Davids from Kansas, who was a UFC fighter. So we went to this.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'd be kidding.

[Chris Cillizza]

No, we went to this MMA gym.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And she.

[Chris Cillizza]

I won't say. I mean, the producer is hilarious because he's always like, this guy named Sam Schachter, he's always like, hey, Congressman, why don't you kick Chris in the Droid?

[Tony Kornheiser]

You know what I mean?

[Chris Cillizza]

Like, it's all. Or like, why don't you throw a fastball?

[Mary Carillo]

Get a few takes of that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Exactly.

[Chris Cillizza]

Throw a fastball right at his face. But she really beat me up. It was. And she's like 5:1. But, like, she, like, had me choked out on a mat and stuff.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It was great in Congress.

[Chris Cillizza]

Sharice Davis, who voted for someone like that, she's great. She's really thoughtful, interesting. But she's 5:1.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I hate that sport. It's not a sport.

[Chris Cillizza]

MMA. I'm not a fan of it, but it was fun to do. Also, I played one on one with Tom McMillan. Former Congressman Tom McMillan.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I would think you'd lose that.

[Chris Cillizza]

I did. Even though he is significantly my senior.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You know, he's in his 60s, but he is 6, 10 he's also a first team all American. The biggest recruit in the country coming out of high school. A more valued recruit than Bill Walton.

[Chris Cillizza]

Correct.

[Tony Kornheiser]

In the same year and played in the. Yes, and played in the NBA for years.

[Chris Cillizza]

Fun fact. He asked Ted Turner, lovely man, nice guy. He asked Ted Turner, who at the time was the owner of the Atlanta Hawks, to be traded to the, at the time, Washington Bullets so that he could prepare. He was running for Congress from Maryland while playing in the NBA.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He knew it was like Bill Bradley.

[Chris Cillizza]

Fascinating.

[Tony Kornheiser]

People knew.

[Chris Cillizza]

Anyway, it was really fun.

[Tony Kornheiser]

But there was an awards ceremony.

[Chris Cillizza]

There was a ceremony. Where were you unavoidably detained? I was not.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I thought. Were you in Seattle? Didn't you just go to Seattle?

[Chris Cillizza]

I did just go to Seattle.

[Tony Kornheiser]

What were you doing there? Jumping off the needle?

[Chris Cillizza]

No, soccer. Always. Always soccer. Not me. My son, my 16 year old.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Good.

[Chris Cillizza]

He is pretty good.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Is he college good?

[Chris Cillizza]

He is college good. The question is how? What level of college good. And we're sorting that out because he's 16.

[Tony Kornheiser]

But.

[Chris Cillizza]

So I was there for nine days, but we won right before I went. And I did not know the ceremony was happening, but somebody sent me a picture of the fact that we had won and I then immediately touted it to all of you because, you know.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That'S who I am. Well, congratulations.

[Chris Cillizza]

Thanks for having me, Tone.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Chris Cillizza]

Have a great day.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, I'm going to go. I do have this. I have a bunch of things to talk about. I got this from Nancy Conrad in Abita Springs, Louisiana, which is a long way from what she's talking about. Please notify the Littles of the US Adaptive Open being held at Woodmont Country Club in Rockville on July 7th through 9th. That's next week. Yes, 7th through 9th. Admission is free. Tee times start at 7:30 each day. Now let me tell you what the event is because the socialite told me about this. It is a wonderful event recognizing a national champion men's and women's in adaptive categories such as short stature, blind upper limb amputee, lower limb amputee, intellectual or coordination impairment and seated players. And anyone who attends cannot be unaffected and will have an attitude adjustment. I will be a rules official with the tournament and would love to see you and Michael and the boys there. It's really something that is heartwarming but also is way different. Is way different like it is. When you see it, it's going to look way different. And you're gonna need to say, whoa, what's going on here? These are people who Are challenged, physically challenged, obviously, and they're going out there to play golf. And they're better than I am. A lot better.

[Mary Carillo]

They're giving you 20. 20 shots.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, I mean, they're much better than I am. So if you can do that. At Woodmont, admission is free again, July 7th through 9th. Is that Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday? Am I guessing on that seventh?

[Mary Carillo]

And we. We recommend the Golf DMV podcast where our good friend Claude is going to break down his experience playing in the round where they were learning about the chorus and hearing some of the stories from the participants.

[Chris Cillizza]

What a producer.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So that's good. That's good. Okay. Some other things. It's a holiday weekend, so it's good. A soft show today, by the way, we're gonna try and do 150 shows this year. We don't have a number that we have to do.

[Mary Carillo]

Oh, you're teasing something.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, I'm not. I mean, but it might mean that we'll take a couple of weeks off or a week here or a week there.

[Chris Cillizza]

This is the 149th show.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, no, it's not after 151. We're in the 130s.

[Nigel]

See you in September.

[Tony Kornheiser]

We're in the 130s. I also wanted to mention there's a. There's a. As long as we're talking about local geography, on Woodmont Avenue in Bethesda, there is something called Max's Best Ice Cream. Have you heard of this, Marco? Yes, Max's Best Ice Cream. And it dovetails, you know, actually with.

[Mary Carillo]

Is this the same Max's from when I was a kid?

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't know, from.

[Nigel]

From Glover Park.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right. Tom Jones told me about this.

[Mary Carillo]

There is a Max's in Bethesda, work twice a summer. You would just look at me after dinner and say, let's go.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I. Of course, I'm unburdened by memory. I don't even know who you are, so I don't know if that happened or not. This is run by people with learning disabilities. You know, it's a store where people can go to this store and they will be treated as customers by people who would not necessarily ordinarily have another job. The ice cream is supposed. Tom Jones says the ice cream is tremendous. So if you're in the area, go and see it and let me know how it goes. And also, Tom Jones mentioned to thank Michael on something called Edith's Pizza. Oh, Edith's Pizza. Where you had. You recommended a steak and cheese, which Tom and his wife get, like, every 10 days. Yeah.

[Mary Carillo]

That's great.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You so. Okay. So he wanted to thank you for that.

[Nigel]

That's Edith's Pizza by Stro Schneider's, isn't it?

[Mary Carillo]

It is, yes. The boys love their lunch pizza deal.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I've never been there. Yeah.

[Mary Carillo]

You get like two slices for us. We cut in half with them.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay. All right.

[Mary Carillo]

In the best possible way. It tastes like nostalgic mall pizza.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay. Like that. All right. I've waited a little while to talk about the gnats. Cause I mean, I don't know what to say about this. I missed the first inning of the first game and they were down six nothing. Trevor Williams allowed two, three run jacks. And when I tuned in, it was ten nothing in the third or something like that. And they ultimately lose the game a little bit. The field goal, 11, 2, 10 nothing is a lot. Yeah. So the second game I start to watch and everything's going pretty well until. I mean, Kenzie Gore did not have his best stuff, but he'd only allowed one run, I believe through five and.

[Chris Cillizza]

He still should have won two.

[Mary Carillo]

It just took a lot of pitches.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes. He was in the 80s in the. In the top of the fourth, walked forward.

[Chris Cillizza]

Yeah. He did not have great stuff, but he's clearly the best top of the rotation. Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So then they put in Lord and he's been a pretty good long distance reliever and he was pretty good. And for reasons completely unknown to me, Davey Martinez takes out Lord and brings in Jose A. Ferrer, the worst reliever. Put respect on that, Dave, you know, the worst reliever other than Salazar.

[Chris Cillizza]

So.

[Tony Kornheiser]

In the league. In the league.

[Chris Cillizza]

I heard this explained. I was driving when Lord was in and they were talking about they wanted to go lefty.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Lefty.

[Chris Cillizza]

That's all I see who they brought him in to face has one of the worst lefty righty splits in. I don't remember exactly who it was. On the Tiger Sport, one of the.

[Tony Kornheiser]

First guy for rare face guy.

[Mary Carillo]

It can't be Josh Belkin.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Three and oh. Ferreira went to three now. Got him out. Got him out, then allowed two hits in a row. This is what Ferreira does. He always allows the inherited run to come in. Always. He never shuts anything down. Then he allowed his own run to come in. His era is.540. That's terrible. It's terrible. The Nats have the worst bullpen in. In baseball and he's one of the worst. Salazar has a 900 ERA, so he's the worst. Why these people, why these people have not joined pooch and the others who were DFA'd is beyond my comprehension. And then I leave. I leave. I say, that's it.

[Chris Cillizza]

And that was the key.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It goes for. It becomes four, three Tigers. And I go, they've lost it. I wake up this morning, they've won it.

[Chris Cillizza]

Oh, yeah, Josh.

[Tony Kornheiser]

But six of the eighth trip bases. Lowe's been a good RBI guy all year.

[Mary Carillo]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Justin Bell. We are now in the second half of the season. Oh, yeah, the first half of the season. He should have been released. He is now over.200. He went three for four in the nightcap last night. He had four RBIs on the day. Suddenly, he's the Josh Bell of five years.

[Mary Carillo]

The best is the camera isos in on him on that. On that 8th as he's just sucking down air.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So you didn't just take. And they won by a mile.

[Mary Carillo]

And you missed probably the highlight of the game, which I only saw because we were waiting to go watch a show on netfl. But Jacob Young climbed the catch to rob a home run from Green.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's a real catch. Yeah, Jacob Young's a great fielder. He just has no power. And he's very fast, but he has no power. You know, they have a lot of people in the outfield who are similar people. Yes. And they have to make a decision which three or four they're going to keep.

[Chris Cillizza]

And Dylan Cruz comes out which one.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Or two they're going to try and move in the trade deadline and see if they can get something.

[Chris Cillizza]

Do you want to take a guess at what the Nats bullpen is? I just looked it up. They are. It is the worst in the league.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'm going to say 51.

[Chris Cillizza]

Oh, it's worse than that. What is 5.8?

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's four. Wait, so Ferrer is better than the average?

[Chris Cillizza]

5.8 for athletics.

[Mary Carillo]

Does that count against the top three?

[Chris Cillizza]

So Washington, 5.84 ERA.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Terrible.

[Chris Cillizza]

Oakland.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, they're not. Well, no, they're BA. They're simply Sacramento, 5.77. Right.

[Chris Cillizza]

Arizona, 5.23. The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, 5.08. Then Baltimore is fifth, but under five. Unbelievable. The best is the San Francisco Giants. 2.95.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I mean, 5.4. 2.95 is half.

[Chris Cillizza]

And that's unbelievably bad.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, it is. Let me get to one thing that's going to make me happy. Not going to make anybody else happy. It's going to make me happy. Happy. Chessy, the dog, who is seated near me at the moment, because there Are no chairs. I mean, we using all the chairs for everybody.

[Mary Carillo]

You were worried about the chairs?

[Tony Kornheiser]

I was worried about the chairs. And Sean said, I'll sit on Chessy's chair. And I said, no, no, Jesse has to sit on.

[Chris Cillizza]

Yeah, that's not going to work out.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Jesse sits on Chess's chair until she moves and lays down on the cold tile. Yes. Okay.

[Nigel]

To move.

[Tony Kornheiser]

She's had digestive problems lately for months. Um, yes. We've had to take her to a veteran. We took her to a veterinarian who said, gonna give you this special food for the first thing the vet said was chicken and rice for the next couple of days. Boil the chicken, cook the rice. That's what you have to do. This is not met with glee by someone who shares my house. It's not to have to do all that. But okay, she does it. She does it. And then we took her to the vet and the vet gave, gave us a bag of this special digestive food. And by special, I mean it costs like $300. You know, it's like dog food. Come on.

[Chris Cillizza]

In addition to the vet fees, which I'm sure were not cheap.

[Tony Kornheiser]

400.

[Chris Cillizza]

Yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So this food. And. And I said, well, let's boil one more chicken and let's integrate the boiled chicken 50 ways with. Yeah, well, there are 50 ways to cook a chicken. Yeah, let's integrate the boiled chicken with the new food. I'm happy to do that. I'll rip it, you know, with my hands and put it in nicely into the bowl and so on and so forth.

[Mary Carillo]

It's all about presentation.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, I think it's important for the dog. She steps back a couple of steps. She wants to look. How does it look?

[Nigel]

Take a photo, put it in her.

[Mary Carillo]

Instagram, garnish with a little personal.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So yesterday, Carol cooks what she said was a three pound chicken. There is. This is. We're cooking it for a dog. So let's not get carried away. There is no seasoning on the chicken. There's nothing other. We're not going to make soup out of the chicken. None of that chicken in boiling water, cooked for however many minutes or hours. You're supposed to cook a chicken that way. Carol takes the chicken out yesterday at about, I don't know, three o' clock and begins to pull the chicken meat away from the chicken bones, begins to shred the chicken and get all the meat that we can get. I walk over and there's a nice looking piece and I eat the piece of chicken. This is the best chicken I've ever had in my life. It is the juiciest, most wonderful chicken I've ever had. It is not adorned with any sort of spice. It tastes great. I now have a crisis. I love my dog, but is the dog really going to know if I eat some of this chicken? Is the dog. It's three pounds of chicken. Is the dog going to know? Does the dog have a calculator? Does the dog have a camera? No. Last night for dinner, I had chicken in a salad. It was tremendous. Every night it was tremendous. And now I envy the dog. You know, I fed her this morning with envy because she's. And I took a couple of more pieces. The chicken was great. You do a lot.

[Mary Carillo]

Does she like light meat, dark meat?

[Sean]

What is.

[Tony Kornheiser]

All looks sort of. Kind of the same. It was mostly lighter meat. There's some, like.

[Mary Carillo]

For a salad, I normally would put sliced up chicken breasts. Normally it's like in dark meat for a warm preparation.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, I just put my hand into a big vat of chicken and took it out and put it in the salad.

[Chris Cillizza]

Wait.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I was very happy.

[Scott Salmon]

Seasoning on it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Nothing. There's nothing.

[Mary Carillo]

Nothing in the water. No aromatics, no citrus?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Not that I know of. Nothing.

[Chris Cillizza]

But it was really.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I mean, you don't.

[Mary Carillo]

Salt makes everything taste more like itself.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'm not certain. I mean, look, Carol's not thrilled at being asked to cook a chicken for a dog.

[Mary Carillo]

I mean, if you're just putting in a pot of water, it doesn't sound that hard.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It was great. It was great. It was so juicy. It. It was.

[Mary Carillo]

You probably started the good with a good bird.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Must have been. I like to get another one. I had to get 10 more. It was really good. Not. No. Is that possible? There's no seasoning. There's nothing. I don't know that there's salt or pepper. There's certainly no bay leaves. There's no oregano.

[Chris Cillizza]

I noticed when I arrived that Chessy was a little standoffish with you this morning. So maybe she did my chicken. Kind of notice the chicken disparity.

[Tony Kornheiser]

There's enough chicken for her for two meals a day. Five, six days.

[Chris Cillizza]

But what about. If you take your cut, then?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Three or four.

[Mary Carillo]

Did you clean the carcass?

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't know. I didn't.

[Mary Carillo]

Did you at least get the oysters?

[Tony Kornheiser]

I had nothing to do with it.

[Chris Cillizza]

Yeah, well, you did eat it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I had nothing to do with it. I just tasted and thought it was great. Carol thought it was great, too. It was really good.

[Nigel]

Now we've not been able to determine what the source of the digestive issues are. For Chessy.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right.

[Mary Carillo]

It made more sense in the winter when there'd be, you know, snow piles or leaf piles.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Dog. She eats things off the ground. You have to, right? Like she did it this morning. Whoa, what are you doing? And I had to pull her away, but she'd already. She was already swallowing, so she'd eaten something.

[Nigel]

If someone would say to have been feeding a Slim Jims every day for the last few months, would that be a problem?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Might have been a problem. That's never caused me digestive problems, I would guess. I would guess that.

[Mary Carillo]

Snap it to her.

[Tony Kornheiser]

There you go, kiddo. Yeah, I would guess that veterinarians, a plurality of the things that they treat are probably digestive issues with dogs. Yeah. They know exactly what to do. They, you know, it's like a recording. You know, they tell you what to do and then bring the dog in. And, you know, I bet you, I.

[Chris Cillizza]

Mean that when that guy, you come in, he's like, they sink you.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They start building the next wing.

[Mary Carillo]

You'll pay a premium for this. But I would recommend you get some steamer bags of rice, just pre cooked rice bags that are in the freezer section.

[Tony Kornheiser]

As a matter of fact, we have two of those. And as a matter of fact, we have two bowls of rice that all you have to do is pull back the little tab and put them in the microwave for 90 seconds.

[Chris Cillizza]

Now, have you tried the rice?

[Tony Kornheiser]

I've not tried the rice. Rice, delicious. I don't know.

[Chris Cillizza]

Never know rice. I mean, chicken is chicken.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Chicken was great. Or.

[Sean]

Or.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And I think this is fair to suggest at my age, I've lost all my taste buds and I'm not to be.

[Mary Carillo]

It's why I worry whenever you compliment my cooking, I have to step back and say, is it actually pretty good?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Or yeah, this chicken is uncooked. I have no taste buds. All right, we'll take a break. Who's first?

[Nigel]

And Hornaday.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And Hornaday. When we return, I'm Tony Kornheiser.

[Scott Salmon]

Foreign.

[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Chris Cillizza]

Huge in Australia.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Mine and my son's guitar teacher. The son is 8 years old, is a member of the Corduroys and they have just released their first song. It's called get out of My Head. It would be great if you could include this in your podcast. It's from Australia, so. Right. They describe themselves as four degenerates playing indie rock or four young Wollongong chaps attempting to break into the music scene.

[Nigel]

Wollongong.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Wollongong. Wow. The Corduroys. Get out of My Head. Fantastic plays in Ann Hornaday. We're going to talk about movies, but we got to start with the fact that. That I think Ann may have stolen a line from Arch. May have stolen a line from Arch and may not even know it. Arch, late in his career as a movie reviewer. I would say, did you see this? And he would say, didn't see it. Don't want to see it. I would say, did you see this? We'd be on the third hole now. And Arch would say, didn't see it. Don't want to see it. And was asked by nigel about the 27th iteration of Jurassic Park. You know, Jurassic Park, Bethesda, whatever it's called, it doesn't matter. And Anne basically said, not gonna see it.

[Sean]

Am I.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Am I right on this?

[Ann Hornaday]

Pretty much. Pretty much. Pretty much. And I'd forgotten. You're right about arc. That's such a great line. And I do, you know, amateurs borrow, professionals steal. T.K.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Ann Hornaday]

Just wait. Watch this space. But now I look, we can all. It's boring to complain about reboots and remakes and sequels and all that. We've all done that.

[Sean]

And.

[Ann Hornaday]

And, you know, some of them work once in a while. But for some reason, the Jurassic park movies have not worked for me one bit. To the point where I feel like I almost cannot be fair anymore. I just can't even judge them on their merits. And you'll understand this. I looked, I was like, why didn't I? You know, because I do. I do try to see everything, even if I'm not reviewing the reviewer of record. And it was screening. This is so petty. But it was screening at Tyson's Corner. And I can't make that. It's literally a bridge too far for me. Just geographically. And those in our listening area will understand what I mean.

[Chris Cillizza]

In Ann's defense, that's the closest movie theater to my house. And even if. And I live. So geography is not an issue. That movie theater. It's like they post a sign that says, please talk loudly throughout the entire film.

[Ann Hornaday]

I know, I know. Wow. I can't complain about that theater because I have honestly only been. I mean, it's so not convenient to where I am. That. Yeah, so. But that was a. That was a mitigating factor. But truly, I just. There's something about these Jurassic movies that just rubs me. I just don't get anything out of them.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You don't feel that way about Batman movies or Superman movies or Fantastic Four movies?

[Ann Hornaday]

I'm willing to, yes, I kind of do. But I actually am willing to give them. Like, I'll see Superman on Monday night. And I literally am going in clean slate. Surprise me, astonish me, delight me. I am willing to be happily surprised by one of these. But at the point with Jurassic, I just got to the point where I can't. And as I'm kind of checking in on my colleagues reviews, I feel vindicated because it just feels like a shrug. That's kind of the way people are greeting it. It's kind of like, yep, did that again. And it kind of loops back to Spielberg and it's straight. You know, it's interesting that we're celebrating the 50th anniversary of Jaws this summer.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Because that's the original summer blockbuster.

[Ann Hornaday]

It kind of is. Even though. Yeah. I mean, you could, you could quibble because there were blockbusters before that, but it definitely introduced the concept of a summer blockbuster.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, let me, let me tell you what I wrote down because I knew we were going to talk about this and I wrote down, it's a business, right? It's only art once in a while. It's a business. These things cost. Now, I'm not talking about the sequels. I'm talking about most movies cost millions and millions and millions. Of dollars to do. So if you can put some money in the bank to make a good movie. Is that the worst thing that ever happened?

[Ann Hornaday]

No, not at all. And that's why I'm always really happy to see, you know, big commercial, mainstream movies do well. Because, like, you're exactly right. It is a business. And the business supports the art. And, you know, when something like Sinners comes out, like, that's reason for celebration because it's such an original vision that did really well, you know, connected with audiences in a genuine way. It wasn't just a marketing ploy, you know, or a marketing feat. But when I went back to look at Jaws again, and I do that occasionally just because it's just so superbly made. I mean, it's such a great example of the craft on every level. I mean, everybody was just working so creatively. And it's, you know, it's the guys. It's the guys in the boat. You know, yes, the shark is scary, and yes, those jump scares are amazing, and Spielberg orchestrated them perfectly. But the reason we cared about it and what kept going back were those three men on the boat. And it's the human, in other words, it's his humanism, I think, that made Spielberg so wildly successful. And just replicating, you know, the formula isn't enough. I mean, that's not what he was doing, and that's not what he was trying to do at his best. That's never what he does.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So anyway, I'll just say, as Kevin Kisner once said, we're not practicing out here. I mean, Steven Spielberg is a giant for. For a lot of reasons. We were just talking here before we went on the air, we were just talking and, and there, there are. Every once in a while there's brilliance that comes out, and you don't. You don't know where it came from. For example, I was talking about chicken. And of course, that leads to the Alan Arkin line lines from Little Miss Sunshine is brilliant. It's totally brilliant. I mean, you don't see any of it coming. It's. It's like the Hangover. Yes. You don't see it coming. Mike Tyson, just so tremendous. And in order to take chances like that, I guess studios have to have, you know, they have to make money. You know, who knew? Did you. Did you love Little Miss Sunshine like I did? Just tremendous movie. Who would see that?

[Ann Hornaday]

You know, when you say. I mean, I do think it did at that point. There was sort of an indie formula, you know, that, you know, there was a Little movie that came out even before that called the Day Trippers, which is the first time I ever saw Leah Schreiber. And, you know, it had. Oh, God, it just had a. You know, it had a great cast and it was. It was sort of a similar thing. It was like a quirky family on the road, you know, and in this case, it was a day. It was a day trip, hence the title. So I did sort of see the formulaic. I didn't consider it quite as original as maybe some. You know, but I agree completely with the appeal and just the. You didn't really know where it was.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's like the Hangover. Every scene you go, I didn't see this coming at all. Yeah, the other Hangovers aren't any good. They made their own sequels. They aren't any good. But the original Hangovers, tremendous, tremendous.

[Chris Cillizza]

Little miss sunshine made $101 million and on an $8 million budget.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Good. Yeah.

[Ann Hornaday]

And. And. And what is that? You know, And I remember Juno came out around the same time.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes, I remember Juno.

[Ann Hornaday]

This is what. This is what audiences want, you know. You know, I look the one. And it's not an original original, it's an adaptation. But our AC went out during the height of that heat wave last week, and we ended up doing. What you do in this. You know, what do you do in the summer? You go to the movies to go for the air conditioning. And we saw the Life of Chuck. I don't know if you've heard of this movie.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't know.

[Ann Hornaday]

It's kind of in that vein. It's an adaptation of a Stephen King short story or novella, I can't remember which. Directed by a guy named Mike Flanagan, who we love because he delivered the commencement address at our daughter's college graduation from Towson last year, and he aced it. I mean, it was one of the best speeches I've ever heard. He's made his bones at Netflix in doing horror, which isn't my bag, so I didn't really know about him. And he just did the most lovely job with this movie. It stars Tom Hiddleston. I'm not even going to explain it, because, again, you don't see any of it coming. You don't know what's going on. For the first third of this film, you're like, what is going on here? And then he just doles out the information in a way that is so moving and so sweet and endearing. So that's kind of. It reminds me of what we're talking About.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, let me change gears. Movie, you know, I'm gonna change gears.

[Ann Hornaday]

Yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Literally change gears. I'm gonna go to the Brad Pitt movie.

[Ann Hornaday]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That you like. That everybody likes. And I took this time last night to think about this. I love race car movies.

[Ann Hornaday]

Okay.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I love Ford versus Ferrari. I loved that movie. I loved Rush. I didn't see that coming. The Niki Lauda. I. I loved those movies. I love Days of Thunder, as hackneyed as it may be, I loved it. I love Paul Newman in Winning. I just. I'm a total. And I don't.

[Chris Cillizza]

Talladega Nights.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's very funny. Talladega Nights is great. Ricky Bobby. It's very funny. I love this genre of movies. And I'm not. I don't drive fast. I'm not that guy.

[Ann Hornaday]

Right.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You know, I'm not. And I don't. And I'm not talking about Fast and Furious movies. I don't care about that. I care about the movies that revere the racing, you know, so how do you feel about them? And how's F1? It's supposed to be good.

[Ann Hornaday]

I totally agree. I totally agree. I adored Rush and Ford versus Ferrari as well. And I think your point about that, we're not fast. It's the Walter Mitte effect, right? It is the fact that you can vicariously do all this stuff even though you don't do it in real life. And so, yes, I would put F1 up there. I mean, it's just very. It's vicarious, it's loud, it puts you in the car, which is really fun. And then it's Brad Pitt at his movie star. You know, he's aging in such an easygoing way. And there's a wink and a glint and a twinkle there that just makes him so appealing to watch. And it reminds me of that scene in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood when he's up on the roof and.

[Sean]

He takes his shirt off, you know?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. It's a great movie.

[Ann Hornaday]

He knows what he's doing and he knows he's looking good and he's enjoying it too. And I just think that there's something about the security, the confidence, and it's not cocky or self regard. It's just like, yeah, I know, you know, I'm looking good and I'm enjoying it. And I think the. It's the same directors, it's sort of the same team that did Top Gun Maverick a few years ago, which I think was a really big, fine example of a sequel that actually works by Capturing those elements that we loved in the first one. And they've just done a terrific job of casting. You know, they have Javier Bardem, opposite him, the wonderful Irish actress Carrie Condon, who. And the women in the audience will understand what I mean when I say who looks like a human person. You know, she's not a. She's not, you know, 22 year old starlet. She looks like a credible human lady, you know, as his kind of romantic interest. So I don't know. It worked for me. You should go see it. Do you think you'll see it? What do you think?

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't know. I don't go anywhere anymore. I know you don't, but I really. I like those kinds of movies. I looked up and this is a plug for somebody I don't even know, except I've seen his entire career, starting with Andy Griffith. Ron Howard directed Rush.

[Ann Hornaday]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

The kinds of movies Ron Howard has directed over the years are the width of those movies. That's pretty amazing, don't you think?

[Ann Hornaday]

Yeah. And you know what? Because I always have to come back to my project, which is this book I'm writing about all the President's men. But to that point. The paper. Yeah, the paper.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Ann Hornaday]

Ladies and gentlemen. And you know the other one that I think it never gets. There's a common thread with these three movies, and you'll know what it is. Parenthood.

[Chris Cillizza]

So good.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes, so good.

[Ann Hornaday]

I don't know if you've seen it lately. It holds up. I mean, it is. It is still great. And the. And the great Jason Robards gives one of the best monologues of all time in that movie of all time.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So Ron Howard, you know, you never expected it.

[Chris Cillizza]

He has done.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I mean, you never expected it. I'm not saying there was some bomb.

[Chris Cillizza]

He did Cocoon.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Clash is brilliant.

[Chris Cillizza]

Cocoon was amazing. He did all Beautiful mind.

[Nigel]

Apollo 13.

[Ann Hornaday]

Yeah, there you go.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. Then he does a serious thing like Apollo 13, and a serious thing like Rush. I mean, it's just.

[Ann Hornaday]

I know. No, and it's.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Do you know him? Have you ever met him?

[Ann Hornaday]

Yes. Well, I met him on Zoom. We did a Zoom conversation with him and his brother. Was it pleasant, lovely and smart? And I will say, when we say we didn't see that coming. He did grow up. This is his milieu. This is his language. You know, he literally grew up in this world. So maybe it's not that surprising that he would be so fluent in the grammar and know how to speak movie and know how to speak visual storytelling. And understand character and understand emotional investment and be able to apply those values across genres. I mean, just know what the center is and what you just cannot lose in order to make something succeed.

[Chris Cillizza]

By the way, he also did Frost Nixon, which I know, I mean, I love and I'm sure, I mean, it was. If you are looking for a really intriguing political ish movie, it's a wonderful. I mean, I liked it and I don't know if you liked it, but it's a one. I thought it was great.

[Ann Hornaday]

Oh, I love Frost Nixon. It's riveting. It's absolutely riveting. And it's something that one, you know that in the business they call that a rug picture, which is basically two people talking, you know, in a room. And to make that riveting, to make it genuinely exciting. Oh, that's, that's it. It ain't easy. And you know, I, I really, I just think he has it in his bones.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Thank you, Anne. Pleasure.

[Ann Hornaday]

Always a pleasure.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Thank you. Happy birthing, everybody. Anne Hornaday, boys and girls. We'll come back. Mary Carillo will join us. We'll talk a little bit about Wimbledon, more about Mary. I'm Tony Kornheiser.

[Ann Hornaday]

You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show.

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[Ann Hornaday]

You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show.

[Rick]

There's a road out there.

[Tony Kornheiser]

This is Scott Salmon. This is sent to us by Rick. Fran Sosa says here's another song from Scott Salmon. It's his next single. It's called Never Too Late for Lonely. Hope you guys like it and can use it on the show. Of course we can use it on the show and of course we like it. Michael, if people like Scott Salmon want to send in or have their proxies send in their original music so we can play it and not have to pay big money for things by the Beatles, how do they do it?

[Mary Carillo]

Send us your music by emailing it to jinglesonyquinizershow.com okay, Mary Carillo joins us now.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And we will get to Wimbledon maybe, but we're going to start here. Last week, last week there was an anniversary on the PTI show. It was something with John McEnroe. Something with him. I don't know, it doesn't matter what it was, but it said, you know, that, that I think he had maybe the most titles of anyone. When you put together singles and doubles in the pro career, does that sound right to you, Mary, that he had.

[Sean]

The most sounds legit that could possibly be.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He had like seven. He had like almost an equal amount, was like something like 75 singles titles and 75 doubles titles. And John used to play doubles all the time. And at the end of it, because I'm writing the script, it talks about how many major singles and doubles titles he had. And I wrote this line and he had one mixed doubles from the French with our friend Mary Carillo. And I don't know that anyone told you about this, but that was the line that I wrote and, and got out of, got out of the thing that way. It's a long time. I know it's a long time since you played. Does. I guess it's a. I just want to hear you talk. Does anyone know that you played? Do you remember playing? Is there any longing for having Had a different playing career because you got out early and went to broadcast. You got out early. As you know, I thought way too early. But okay, so talk to me.

[Sean]

I had run out of knees. That was the issue. I was riding on rims. So I really, I had to get, I had to get a job that might pay me some dough. So that's really why I left. And also, I wasn't that good as a side note. I mean, I was plucky. I mean, I knew exactly why I was losing at any moment in a match. So that should count for something. But actually that, that question about the 1977 mixed doubles was on Jeopardy. Once.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Really?

[Sean]

Believe it or not, one of the panelists knew the answer and it wasn't even me.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Wow.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I know you're going to be self deprecating and say you weren't that good. And I'm not saying you were Chris Evert or anything like that, although I'm sure you probably played her. But what, you know, growing up you were really good. What were your dreams about? Your dreams had to be as a player, right?

[Sean]

Well, growing up, I lived three blocks away from John McEnroe. So at a very early age, we played together all the time. Growing up, we went to the same academy, we played at the Douglas and Club. We had the same teachers. But so honestly, Tony, at a very early age, I knew how good I wasn't. I mean, I had to work very, very hard just to make the tour. Whereas I think John's dreams were set at a very young age. He knew he could win majors, he knew how good he was, I knew how good I wasn't.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Did you?

[Sean]

He inspired me, certainly. But I mean, I had to work so much harder than John did. And John, John played tennis, but he followed the seasons. You know, he played baseball in the spring, he played football in the fall, he played soccer, he played basketball. You know, he didn't dedicate himself to tennis until he was a high ranking junior. I mean, that's how damn good he was. It was extremely annoying.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. Did you know, because you're a peer. Did you know that he was world.

[Sean]

Class good at a very early age? You know, we used to go to Forest Hills, which was only about 20 minutes away from our hometown in Douglaston. And it was great because, you know, my mom would even let me skip the first days of school so I could, I could go watch the US Open. And one day John and I were playing and I had, I used to give him a game. I Used to be able to live with him for a little while. And then one day he absolutely destroyed me. And we were sitting on the bench drinking water out of tennis cans the way God meant us to drink water. And I just said, you're going to be the best player in the world one day. You're going to be number one. And John didn't even bother looking at me, you know, he just said, he just said, you know, you know, you're stupid. So I consider that it was my first commentary and my first review.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Sean]

He said, you don't know what you're talking about.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So I now, I now know what the anniversary was. It was the anniversary of him first saying, you cannot be serious, yelling at a referee.

[Sean]

Did he do that on the bench on court four at the Douglas and Club? Yeah, that's right.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Jesus.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So did you like in, did you ever, did you ever play against Chris? Chris Everett and Martina Navratilova are the happy anniversary today. Because X amount of years ago Martina beat Chris in the finals at Wimbledon and then went on to win six straight Wimbledons and create with Chris Evert the greatest rivalry in the history of big time tennis and go from rivals to best of friends. Did you play either of them at.

[Sean]

Some point, Tony, my friend, I lost to everybody. I lost everybody in singles. In doubles, I actually only played Chrissy, who's a dear friend of mine now, but I played Chrissy in doubles. We were walking down, there was this grass court tournament in Eastbourne, England right before Wimbledon. And as we're walking down to the court, she said to me, boy, we haven't played in a long time, have we? And I said to her, chrissy, I've never played against you. And she said, oh. And then she took this great comedic beat and said, so how does it feel? Why did we lose that doubles match? He was he and continues to be one of the all time great wisenheimers. Yeah, she really is.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. I'm not going to let you just integrate yourself. You want a major? You want a major, Come on.

[Sean]

I want a major. But guess what? At the US Open this year it's been decided that instead of mixed doubles, you know, as a true doubles event at the US Open, they're basically doing. It's an exhibition. They turn mixed doubles into an exhibition.

[Tony Kornheiser]

We talked about this on the show last week. I loved it. Will Bond did not. I take it from your tone. You do not.

[Sean]

Well, no, I think it's gonna be a huge hit.

[Ann Hornaday]

It's gonna be great.

[Sean]

But it's actually mixed singles.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes.

[Sean]

It's all these great singles players playing together, and it's only 16 teams. And I'm fine with it if they really think that little of mixed doubles. But what galls me, the only thing that really galls me about. I have to call those matches, and I have to make sure I have to deal with the USTA and ask if I can call it an exhibition, because that's what it is. But my single biggest issue with it is that they're giving out a mixed doubles US Open trophy. Don't do that. Call it something else.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes, it's not a major. Not. Not if the sets go to four games and not six. But I also think it's going to, you know, that commercial where the guy goes, the WI fi is booming. I think it's. The mixed doubles is booming as a result of this. I think it's gonna be. People are gonna go crazy for it.

[Sean]

Well, they will. But it, you know, at best, it's a minor major. You know, don't. And again, don't give out. Like, historically, there have been great, you know, mixed doubles champions, you know, so don't act like, okay, this is the 2025 version of the US Open mixed doubles Champions. It's not.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, it's a different. It's an exhibition. It's not.

[Sean]

It's an exo. By the way, what's wrong with exhibitions? Exhibitions are. They're fun and they bring in crowds and they. They make a lot of money. Like, why are people so afraid of calling it an exo? It's an exo. Right.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, see if you can call it that. See if you last that day and the next day and you come back. See how that works. Do you ever. I wrote this down. Do you ever now hit tennis balls against a wall near the house?

[Sean]

Every now and then I'll do that. If something's really pissing me off, I need to hit something. But honestly, not much. Basically, I've had four knee operations. I just try not to piss off my knees at this point in my dotage.

[Tony Kornheiser]

All right, so let me go to Wimbledon for a second. Coco Gauff went out in the first round. She's the reigning French Open champion, but she'd never won Wimbledon or anything like that. She won the US Open a couple of years ago, and she went out in the first round. I don't think great players get bounced in the first round at Wimbledon, the most important tournament. You can tell me I'm wrong. You can tell me she is a Great player. I think she might be a great player down the road. But going out in the first round seemed to me, you know, that said something not good. How about you?

[Sean]

Well, it's interesting, Tony, because it's her worst surface by far. But she made her name when she was 15 years old getting to the fourth round of Wimbledon and beating Venus Williams. So everyone thought, oh, this is, she's going to be a great grass court player. She had, I mean she's won the Open as you said. She just won the French three weeks ago.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Keep in mind that back in, back in the good old days when I played and dinosaurs were roaming the earth, three of the four majors were on grass.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes.

[Sean]

And in the weeks before the Australian Open and Wimbledon and the US Open, there were grass corps warm up tournaments. So everybody, everybody knew how to play on grass. It was the law. I mean that was. And now there's a three month clay court season and Coco obviously won the last of them, the French and a three week grass court season. So it hurt Coco. And this has happened to iga's fiance too who's won four French Opens. She's got no chance to get ready for grass. So. And like in Coco's case, she went back to New York, she did a whole bunch of press, you know, she, of course you want to celebrate something like that, but our cockamamie tennis calendar has those two tournaments on two very different surfaces happening within weeks of each other. You know, I mean, Coco won the US Open a couple of years ago and then months went by before she played the Australian Open.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's right.

[Sean]

So I mean, and I mean, and I think grass exposes her weaknesses. She had nine double faults, she didn't serve well, her forehand was shaky and she, look, she was so disappointed. Not like she was shaking her fist to the sky, but I think even she allowed that. From now on, if she goes deep at the French Open, she's going to try to, you know, she had, look, the kid wanted to celebrate. I would still be hungover if I won the French Open and had to play. I mean, right?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Sean]

And she wanted to celebrate. She had to do a whole bunch of press. She shouldn't have, to my mind, she shouldn't have gone back to New York. She played one tune up tournament on grass, this tournament in Berlin and lost in the first round because she wasn't used to the grass. So as disappointed. I think she can become a good grass court player, I guess is what I'm saying. But the schedule is, it's just very, very hard for people to go from the French Open, winning the French Open to Winnie Wimbledon. Famously, Bjorn Borg did it three times.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Sean]

And Nadal has done it. Federer did it once because he only won one French Open. I mean, people have done it. Djokovic has done it. It's hard. It's. There's no doubt that it's a hard thing to do.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Thank you for bringing up Djokovic. I'll get you out of here on this. He said the other day that he thought this was his best chance to win major number 25. I would have thought he'd say Australia because he's won that 10 times. But he's won Wimbledon seven times to win it. If the seatings hold up, he's got to go through Sinner and Alcaraz in a row. What are the chances? I would say slim.

[Sean]

You know, I think he's right. He's. As you know, he's been trying to get to 25 for a long time now.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Sean]

And he's gotten to the finals of Wimbledon a couple of years in a row now.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right.

[Sean]

So I think he might be right. I mean, I think the heat in Australia is too much for a 38 year old. Now. The US Open can get very clammy too. The French Open, that's been his least successful major. So I think he might be right. And especially because all the seas are dropping all over the place.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes.

[Sean]

Not just on the women's side. Four of the five top women seas are out of Wimbledon already, but they've also lost a couple of big guys too. So I think he might be right. And you know, if last year what he wanted more than anything was to win the Olympics, he did it. And this year he has made it very clear that he thinks he can get to 25 by winning Wimbledon. I wouldn't mind watching him do that, to tell you the truth. I mean, this. I can't believe how much this guy still cares about tennis after all this time. And after two children and all that and injuries and surgeries. I'd like to. I wouldn't mind seeing that. I really wouldn't.

[Tony Kornheiser]

If he wins it, he should announce his, his retirement right there, pick up the trophy and say, this is it for me. I'm going out. I'm John Elway. I'm going out on top. I mean, nobody would.

[Sean]

Yeah. It's interesting because that's. That was my big question going into the Olympics in Paris last summer. If he loses, does he keep going or if he wins it does he keep going? Like what, what's the inflection point there? Yeah, you know what I mean? And obviously he won it and kept going. I think if he had lost it, he'd probably still keep going because he wants to get 25. He wants to separate himself even more from the other greats and get one more than Serena did. You know, Serena tried for years to get from 24 to 25. She couldn't do it. So it's a, there's a lot going on. It's very chaotic in tennis now and that's just how I like it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's good. Thank you for being on. You're a dear friend. Thank you, Mary.

[Sean]

Ah, my pleasure, my friend.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Mary Carrillo, boys and girls was lovely. We will come back with email and jingle. I'm Tony Kornheiser.

[Mary Carillo]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Mary Carillo]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

Here comes Tony's mail bag, email, faxes and notes. Here comes Tony Mayo bag. Gonna read some for all of you folk. He's gonna read some for all of you. That's Pat Bears. We like that very much. Good like that very much. Want to do the Bethesda bagel ad for us?

[Nigel]

Yes, Bethesda Bagels.

[Tony Kornheiser]

We love them.

[Nigel]

You will as well. Just go to Bethesda Bagels.com four people.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Here getting bagels today.

[Nigel]

Well, some think they are one of us.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Wait, what? One of us getting fewer than we normally get.com get.

[Nigel]

Check them out and you'll be thrilled.

[Mary Carillo]

Bethesda Bagels with the new bags.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes, yes, with a logo and everything. Fancy.

[Chris Cillizza]

I just can't wait for those bagel sandwiches. That is going to be delicious after the show.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, right, Nigel. Oh, come back on Monday. That'll just about do it for us today. Before we get to the mailbag, let me say wishing and hoping and thinking and praying Planning and dreaming each night of his charms that won't get you into his arms. So if you're looking to find love you can share. All you got to do is hold him, kiss him and love him. Them and show them that you care. That is the great Dusty Springfield. Okay, there's nothing that Linda Ronstadt and Dusty Springfield have ever sung that isn't great. They're the best. Yes. Dusty Springfield, Linda Ronstadt. Linda Ronstadt, Dusty Springfield. Doesn't matter. Thanks to our guest today. Lovely show today, Anne Hornaday and Mary Carillo. Great holiday show. Thanks as well to today's sponsors. Remember, you can listen to us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Audacy. If you get it through Apple. Please leave us a review from Ron Flatter, our friend in Louisville. Dearest Dr. Hofwaff, of course I know who the Gabors are. I think I dated Ja Jar's daughter, Chloe Gabor, but I might be wrong. Also from Barry Taylor in Louisville, Kentucky, I was on my computer listening to your podcast. I was searching things using the Google machine. On each item I searched, the screen had multiple ads. When I searched for the Gabor sisters, all the ads switched to erectile dysfunction, adult diapers, local funeral services. That's. You know your audience. You know your audience. There you go. Okay, wait, let me get to the bottom of this. From Seth Shaner in New Albany, Ohio, Chuck and Roxy, number 207. You your tale of the lost canteen thermos tumbler hit home. But I recently lost something that I believe is more devastating. Much like that book from the Sound Bite, Nigel Likes to play. You see, I lost my Kindle. I always joke with my wife and kids that it's silly that we have to clean up for the cleaning ladies to come. But there we were last Monday morning, preparing for their arrival by picking up various things around the house. It wasn't until days later I realized what I believe happened to my Kindle. But it's the only plausible explanation. During my haste to pick up around my master bathroom and bedroom, I grabbed a small box we keep there to toss cardboard that will eventually be taken down to our large recycling container in the garage. I think what happened is I put the Kindle in that box be able to carry more items downstairs, and when I got down there, I opened the door to a dark garage and tossed the items from the box into the receptacle. Unfortunately for me, trash day came early the next morning, and before I realized what I must have done with my Kindle, I wheeled the bin to the end of the driveway and bid adieu, albeit unwittingly, to one of my more prized possessions. So here's to your Tumblr and my Kindle. May they meet in the hereafter sometime soon. From Nancy in Abeda Springs, Louisiana. The answer is the free return label. This is for ID tags you get from all the nonprofits who are looking for a donation. I put them on my insulated cups, golf clubs, ID tags for my luggage. Etc. It's a cheap, renewable resource that is vastly underutilized. Okay, but I did, you know, I still would have left it. I still would have left it in the cart. Yeah. I mean, I just. I would have. I would have. Chris, now of Apex, North Carolina, formerly of Hell's Kitchen, New York. Want to get rid of the peanuts, take them to the golf course, put them in your cart and pretend it's a water bottle. Problem solved. Yes, because you're an idiot. Tony Ben Carton, the official unofficial senator of the Tony Korn as a show from Baltimore with all the tomato plant talk and other planting emails, I was wondering, why not just grow some tomacco? It seems easy enough. Some tomato seeds, some tobacco seeds, and tons and tons of radiation. Worked for Homer Simpson was extremely popular in the make believe world of Springfield. Kent Brockman, Springfield's top newsman, even stated that everyone hated the taste of tamaco, but due to how addictive it was, they couldn't bring themselves to stop eating it. So good luck with the potatoes this year and keep the tamaco idea or tomacco as a backup.

[Chris Cillizza]

Just that is a great Simpsons episode.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes, Mark lynch in Camby, Indiana Pat, 40, was saying he thinks people mellow as they get older. Maybe he doesn't listen to your boy podcast. Jeff in Salinas, California Peanut Farming Titans George Washington Carver, Anthony Irwin Kornheiser. That's it. That's the list. How about those Padres uniforms in Philly Monday night? Come on man. DG so good. Mark Feiner or Feiner, Greenwich, CT I channeled you this morning in speaking with a customer service representative for Easy Pass, Massachusetts, whom I called because I received an invoice regarding a car and a license number that do not belong to me. The representative insisted I needed to prove that the car in question was not registered to me. I explained that while I knew how to prove I do own something, proving a lack of ownership was harder. She said I need to provide documentation. Documentation of what? I asked, she said of my registration. I reminded her I don't have a registration for this car because it's not mine. She told me she had done all she could to help me with the matter and that she was only a customer service representative. She seemed lovely and I couldn't bear antagonizing antagonizing her. But what is a man to do? Since I know Michael will ask, the balance of the invoice is $2.15. That's not the point. What do I do next? This has happens to me all the time. I spend my life saying on the phone, agent, Agent, live human being, please live human being. They said they'll call you back, but you can get online and text it just it. They're programmed to do that. Nathan Ackerhelm, Charlotte, North Carolina. Besides the heat, the dog walker not being able to walk, the water bottle conundrum, the lack of clothes and Nigel's illness. Sounds like you had a relaxing week at the beach. Okay. Ted Smith, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Shout out to Saliza's alma mater, Loomis Chaffee, for ending the season as the number two ranked lacrosse program in the nation. Also, a hearty Edith Salizza, as they fell short to my dad's alma mater, Calvert hall from Baltimore, who ended as the mythical national champions. Yeah, I feel very proud.

[Chris Cillizza]

The pelicans were mighty this year. I think that's excellent. Excellent in lacrosse. I hated the lacrosse guys that I went to high school with. They were stunning.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They were put you in a corner in a box.

[Chris Cillizza]

No, I was super cool in high school.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, really? Dana Ost, Columbia, Maryland. Have you considered one of the tasks for your interns to be to find the long lost red bocce ball?

[Nigel]

Oh, that's a good task.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. We have not enough interns to find that ball. If you're out on your bike tonight, everyone is always do wear white. Larry. If we make an effort today, we.

[Sean]

Might be able to save August.

[Tony Kornheiser]

August.

[Sean]

Tomorrow's the 4th of July. And we will be open for business.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's going to be one of the.

[Sean]

Best summers we've ever had.

[Scott Salmon]

Get out of my head Know that you're willing and I'm fishing oh, I pollute my brain without could do better no I can forget get out of my head I seen it something little wasted Try and get you out of my head I made it up up get you out of my head Pain is peeling off the walls it's opening de I loved you all along and know how you feeling when the weather change now you make it better no, I can't forget again out of my head I'll be sitting overnight Sipping on something little whiskey and dry get you out out of my head I've been la get you out of my head, Sam. My head. No. Get out of my head.

[Rick]

There's a road out there. Take some load that a soul can't bear the star that shines A little bit of light so you might find all the hope that comes and goes every now and then Everybody knows what it's like Waiting on the one and.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Only.

[Rick]

I can't wait to hear you say hey that it's never too late for lonely hey Forever the way it always works when the good goes bad and bad gets worse I just die to hear you say hey There's a place I go Familiar faces that I don't know it's an easy way out where anything goes in your oughta shootish out of danger Pretty soon sharing thoughts with a stranger that got you thinking about the one and only Now I can't wait to hear you say hey that it's never too late for lonely hey Forever the way it is it always works when the good goes bad and bad gets worse I just die to hear you say hey.

[Sean]

While I.

[Rick]

Ain'T that much to look at Unless you got a thing for scars and the story's coming with all that only makes sense inside a bar so of what you need is company Stay with me we can be a little late.

[Scott Salmon]

And when the end is near People going to show you what they really.

[Rick]

Feel Whether it's a breakup Makeup shake up everybody Everybody finds out what to.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Me.

[Rick]

I can't wait to hear you.

[Scott Salmon]

Say hey.

[Rick]

That it's never too late for lonely hey.

[Scott Salmon]

Forever the way it works Will pain, it hurt I just hear you say Never too late Never too late Never too late Never too.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Late Never.

[Scott Salmon]

Too late.