Michael Wilbon (1:56)

You just want to get there.

Tony Kornheiser (1:57)

Yeah, the, the individual games, these are in the larger conferences. Those were the last games of the regular season. I don't care about the conference tournaments because I think the seedings are pretty much set. So I think, you know, the top four teams are going to be Duke, Arizona, Michigan. And now that UConn lost to Marquette, I assume Florida is going to be the last number one seed. And Houston and UConn and a couple of other teams that we've seen all year are going to be the number two seeds. That doesn't matter to me. So I ended up watching a lot of the golf I played golf. I played with my former boss and dear friend George Solomon. Played nine holes on Saturday, which was. You know, I love the capital weather gang, but come on, you had Saturday in the 60s and 70s.

Michael Wilbon (2:47)

It got there eventually.

Tony Kornheiser (2:48)

It was in the 30s. I was freezing.

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (2:50)

It was a little brisk.

Tony Kornheiser (2:51)

Played nine holes and George said, you9, okay? And I go, yeah, nine's okay.

Michael Wilbon (2:57)

The back nine is where it got nice. The back night. It got nice.

Tony Kornheiser (3:00)

Yeah. Well, I missed.

Michael Wilbon (3:01)

Speaking of capital weather gang, you got

Tony Kornheiser (3:02)

a shout out today with what?

Michael Wilbon (3:04)

On this day? On this day, 1999, a calendar day record, 8.4 inches of snow fell. You wrote a scathing column according to them.

Tony Kornheiser (3:12)

Oh, I did.

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (3:13)

With a quote.

Michael Wilbon (3:15)

A dusting is what, 1/4 inch max? I got 10 inches. I got Norway in my backyard. Never change.

Tony Kornheiser (3:23)

I love the Capitol weather gang, but they were a few hours off on that one today because. I'm sorry, yesterday, Sunday, because of that.

Michael Wilbon (3:32)

Did you make your tee time?

Tony Kornheiser (3:33)

I made my tea time.

Michael Wilbon (3:34)

Okay, so no issues with the clock?

Tony Kornheiser (3:36)

No, no, no. I was up. It was just pitch black. Walk on the dog. I hate this week and next week, but I go out to play with about a 10 o' clock tee time. And because of what had happened the day before, I was skeptical about the weather forecast that it would be in the high 60s and low 70s. I wore too much clothing. It felt hot.

Michael Wilbon (4:01)

Did you bring your hand warmer?

Tony Kornheiser (4:03)

No, I did not. I didn't. I knew I wasn't going to need that, but I was terrible. I didn't go to the range at all. I didn't hit other than a driver because the driver's teed up. I didn't get down and hit any balls into the air. I was really bad. I shot. Had I kept score, I would not have broken 100. I'm glad I did it. Now, I also walked. I have to explain this. Columbia does not have cart paths on 18 holes. They have cart paths on nine of the 18. And this is referred to by older people like myself as the inner nine. 1, 2, 3, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18. You can be on a path. And so I got permission to take a cart on those holes and walk with a caddy the rest of the way. And I hadn't done this in a while. And Columbia is not terribly up and down, but it's a little silly. It's a little bit up and down. 11 is. Is tough climb, you know. Yeah. And. And so according to my. I was, I was prouder of having made the walk on nine holes than any shot that I hid all day. I was terrible.

Michael Wilbon (5:11)

But by the time you get to 11, are you checking in to see if your cart's still there?

Tony Kornheiser (5:15)

Oh, the cart, the cart. Take the key. Yeah. No, I didn't take the key. The cart was parked. We moved the cart from 3 to 13 and I was able to say at the end of the round and played all 18. Able to say at the end. This cart. The wheels of this cart did not touch a single blade of grass. They did not. I was only on the path. And sometimes, by the way, if the path is on the right and you hook a ball to the left, you're walking actually more than if you walked directly to the ball because you have to park the car along.

Michael Wilbon (5:53)

Yeah, you gotta walk back.

Tony Kornheiser (5:54)

So I may have walked more than I had. I mean, I may. I don't know. But I was happy to have the cart. The last few holes. I was happy. So then I get home and there's no, there's nothing I really care to watch because I don't really care. I don't, I don't care about the NBA, you know, on a Sunday afternoon. I don't. So I get involved in the. Arnold Palmer and Daniel Berger, who is interesting to me because his father was a professional tennis player, ranked somewhere between 10 and 30. J. Burger in the 80s, maybe 80s, 90s, probably had a ranking as high as 12 or 15 at some point in his life. So I'm aware of that. And number seven. Number seven. Okay, so I'm aware of that. So I'm, I have an interest in Burger. I don't know. Akshay Batia, I like it. I like to watch him play. I'm troubled by his putter, which is 14ft long. You know, I'm trouble.

Michael Wilbon (6:50)

And the question as to whether he's anchoring or not.

Tony Kornheiser (6:53)

Yeah. So I'm, you know, I worry about that, wonder about that. But I think he's really good. So I. Two players that are good. Batia on the back nine. Jay Berger is going to go wire to wire.

Michael Wilbon (7:04)

Daniel.

Tony Kornheiser (7:04)

Daniel Berger. I'm sorry, Jay's his dad. He's going to go wire to wire. And then Batia on the back nine has four birdies and an eagle. He missed an albatross by foot on the, on the eagle. He had a two foot eagle putt, you know, and it just barely grazed the hole. So he's playing great. And Burger gags is it, it's not as bad as Shane Lowry because Shane Larry, on successive holes puts the ball in the water and just two double.

Sponsor/Ad Read (7:31)

Right.

Michael Wilbon (7:31)

He finished the hole with the same ball.

Tim Kirkjian (7:32)

Right, Right.

Tony Kornheiser (7:33)

So. But he did not, he did not do well. And I will say that. What was his undoing? As far as I am concerned, his undoing was tee shots that were not in position to make easy shots to the green. He did, however. And I wrote down. I am watching this and I'm writing down notes for this show. And I write, Berger gagged the Arnold Palmer. He bogeyed 17. He bogeyed 18 on poor tee shots. But he didn't bogey 18.

Michael Wilbon (8:04)

Right.

Tony Kornheiser (8:05)

I wrote it down beforehand. He had a 13 foot putt.

Michael Wilbon (8:09)

Yeah, the mini Tiger putt. Same line. That is it.

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (8:11)

Dewey beats Truman situation.

Tony Kornheiser (8:12)

And he made it. And he made it.

Michael Wilbon (8:14)

Got a little chesty in his response.

Tony Kornheiser (8:16)

Yeah. So now I'm thinking, okay, now I'm backing away from all the things that I wrote. I continue to write. And I said, not the same gag as Shane Lowry and all of that. And second week in a row that we've seen a gag very, very late. And then I wrote in parentheses, nope, because he made. Made the putt. So they go to 18 on the playoff hole. It is the first. This is surprising to me. It is the first playoff since. In this tournament, since 1999. This is 26 years.

Musician (Gavin Shire) (8:42)

Wow.

Michael Wilbon (8:43)

It shouldn't surprise you, you know why? How many times did Tiger woods make a 30 foot putt on the 18th to win that?

Tony Kornheiser (8:49)

Tiger won. Tiger won this thing five times. Tiger one, tiger one. So then it says, Berger hits another bad tee shot, but a very good second shot. But he leaves his putt. He's 60ft away. He leaves his putt eight feet short. Batia hits a good second shot, leaves his putt two feet. So you say, well, can Berger do it again? And he missed. He missed to the right. And Batia knocked it in. Right. Right in the heart. And Batia, he was so great. I know he had one bogey on the back, but he, you know, four birdies and an eagle. Yeah, it's, you know.

Michael Wilbon (9:24)

Oh, yeah, it's a, it is a putting performance. It'll be probably one of the best of the year. He ended up being plus 10 for strokes gained against the field. And you look at short game, which includes sort of his, his pitching as well, plus 16 shots on the field. So he had this crazy little practice routine he was doing where he had two. It looked like two alignment rods creating A narrow chute that he was trying to keep the putter path through. But, you know, this started early in the day because they finished round three and he picked up a lot of ground. And you just. This is the danger of. Of playing with the lead. And if you keep yourself close as. As Batilla was saying, crazy stuff can happen. This game is so crazy. He kept saying.

Tony Kornheiser (10:03)

So unlike the Shane Lowry thing of a week ago where I thought Shane Lowry lost the tournament. I didn't think Echeverria won it. I thought he was just there. Batia won the tournament.

Michael Wilbon (10:14)

Yeah.

Tony Kornheiser (10:14)

Berger lost the tournament. Yes. But Batia won the tournament.

Michael Wilbon (10:18)

And the bogey on 17 really was not that bad because he missed the tee shot in the correct spot. He walked off of the putt. I still think putting from there was the right spot. And the greens got very, very fast over the weekend as they were sort of browning out. But. And he made the putt on 18. He at least made the putt to keep it going into the playoff.

Tony Kornheiser (10:35)

Yeah. So it was very satisfying for me. And then I had nothing to do at all at night. Nothing to watch. There was nothing I wanted to watch. So I made the mistake of watching the Wizards. Oh. Who are now trying to lose in New Orleans to a terrible team. The New Orleans Pelicans are a terrible, terrible team. And they. They're not tanking, they just stink. Whereas the Wizards are tanking, you know, for the third straight year. I say this a lot. You hear this a lot. They are attempting to lose every game. They are not honest with their ticket holders. Now, no ticket holders in New Orleans that care about the Wizards. It's not a home game, but they're not honest. They're trying to lose. This starts with Michael Winger. Actually, it starts with the owner who condones this and then starts with this guy, Michael Winger, who's trying to lose to get better draft picks. I believe that Adam Silver should say the Wizards. No, you don't get all these ping pong balls. You get one. You get one because you tried to lose. And I'll give you an example of trying to lose. It's. They're down two at the half, down two at the half. It's competitive. They're, you know, two bad teams. The second half is 71, 53. New Orleans. New Orleans. What did they score? 135 points. Come on. New Orleans stinks. And when you go through the box score, and this is something, where do

Michael Wilbon (11:56)

you find the box score?

Tony Kornheiser (11:57)

I found the box for the box score. The Washington Post now has an agate page. They have no coverage by any local of. No coverage of local teams by local people. They have nothing like that. So I'm hoping that the banner succeeds. It's. Is it still a Baltimore banner? I don't know. Anyway, so I looked at the box score. The best pick they've had in five years is this guy Saar who was the number two overall pick a couple of years ago. You know how many minutes sar played? Played 17 minutes. That's all. 17 minutes. And he only had two personal fouls. So you don't put him in the game because you know, you just don't want him out there because he's good. And Kubali Koulibaly, who everybody thinks is great and who I say all the time, he'll give you one game where he's 1 for 8 and the next game he's 5 for 8. Well, he was 1 of 12, Koulibaly 1 of 12. So between them they had 12 points, you know, and so they tanked and they lost. They. They got their objective. Their objective is to lose every game.

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (13:03)

That halftime speech. Yeah, listen, we got a mission.

Tony Kornheiser (13:07)

Lose one for the Gipper. So they're out there doing that and you know, if they, they would say to me, you're wrong, you're making this up. We're not trying to look. No, you are. You're trying to lose and you're trying to see your players, all the players play about 20 minutes. But there's no incentive to win. And the league, what is that? What is that? So what the league should do, what Adam Silver should do is say to Washington and say to Utah and say to the six or eight other teams that are in full tank mode now, you're not going to be rewarded for losing. You're not. We're going to flatten out the odds in the lottery. You're going to get one ball, you're all going to get one ball. If you win, fine. But you're going to get one ball. You're not going to get a proportionate amount of pingpong balls. So that's my feeling about that. We will have Michael Wilbon next and Tim Kirkchin after that. I'm Tony Cornheiser.

Tim Kirkjian (13:58)

This is the Tony Cornheiser Show. Tony Cor Show.

Tony Kornheiser (14:05)

This is Gavin Shire. We played him last week as well. We like him very much. So we have another song. He is a singer, songwriter, musician living in the Washington D.C. area. This is a song called Me and the Dan. Yes, yes. Do we know who The Dan is.

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (14:20)

There's only one Dan that came to my mind. He used to own the Washington football team.

Tony Kornheiser (14:23)

Dan Snyder. Me and the Dan.

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (14:24)

But I have no idea. That's just, that's what came into mind.

Tony Kornheiser (14:26)

As opposed to Me and the Don. Me and the Don. Not. That would be Marlon Brando, but no Corleone. Could be Me and the Dan could be. Anyway, it's lovely song. Gavin Shire is very good. Michael if people like Gavin Shire want to send in their independent music, how do they do it?

Michael Wilbon (14:40)

Send us music by emailing it to jingles Tony konisershow.com Please plays in Michael

Tony Kornheiser (14:44)

Wilbon and let's, let's go through, let's go through your day at Duke. Explain to people why you were there, what happened, how long you planned it, and all of the things that went on. And this, this is going to remind people of my day at Grove 23, when, you know, when I ran into, I don't know, Wayne Gretzky, John Smoltz and Lawrence Taylor. This is going to sound like that.

Michael Wilbon (15:10)

So it didn't start at the library.

Tim Kirkjian (15:12)

Go. Pretty good, Tony. Well, we went to Durham, drove down to Durham, North Carolina, for Duke North Carolina on Saturday, essentially as Matthew's 18th birthday present from his father. And, you know, I'd been, we'd been planning it for a while. He had said, dad, I want to go to Duke, North Carolina. I go, okay, here we go. His birthday's in a week or so, so we drive down for that. But the day before on Friday, we get a. Get a call that we're gonna. That Coach K wants us to stop by his office. Wow, this is gonna be pretty cool. We get to go by and meet Coach K. Yeah. And Cheryl had met Coach K once or twice, and being a dookie, that was a big thrill for her. Duke Law School J Billis, same class, but Matthew, of course, had not. And so we drive down and we go to his office, which is a museum. It's a museum. It's just, it's like the coolest, most fascinating place you could ever go in basketball or, I don't know, maybe any sport. And his office right outside of Cameron, just the next building over adjacent. And Coach K, of course, was just, I mean, he was himself. And people, you know, people see folks on television and they see coaches and have an image of them, which is derived from that. You and I, of course, have known. You've known coach K 10 years longer than I have 15, and it's been a long time. And so we Go. And I'm expecting, like, hey, listen, we're not going to overstay our welcome here. We'll stay a few minutes. You know, Coach K will be great. You guys will love it. And they don't know what to expect. Carter. Carter Meadows, one of our best, One of Matthew's very best friends in life. Son of one of my close friends. He goes to Gonzaga. He's going to Michigan to play football next year. So that he tells you what a good football player he is at Gonzaga. So we go and coach cases. Hey, come in, sit down. I go coach. You go sit down. And we're there engaged with Mike for an hour.

Tony Kornheiser (17:28)

That's good. That's good.

Tim Kirkjian (17:29)

I feel guilty, like, two or three times. We go, no, no, we got. You got a day. Because I got enough. And I'm talking. He's talking to me. The guys, what are you doing? Shut up. And so it was just amazing. Just an amazing, amazing time and place for two seniors in high school to be. To meet one of the great figures in American sports history.

Tony Kornheiser (17:54)

And not only, by the way, not only is he chatting with you, but he is telling your son, hey, your father's a big deal in my life.

Tim Kirkjian (18:04)

He did that, too. Yeah, he did that, too. Which was. Which is, you know, I mean, it's halting. And look, I mean, you. We. You know, I could be funny about this. You and I have rubbed elbows with the most famous people in sports.

Tony Kornheiser (18:20)

That's right.

Tim Kirkjian (18:21)

And Mike is one of them. And it was. At some point, it was like, I'm pinching myself to say, this is just, you know, it's so kind and generous of him to do. And so yesterday at breakfast on Sunday, I said to each of them, said to Carter and Matthew, so what was the most interesting thing about being with Coach K? And they each said without prompting, his interest in us was unbelievable. His interest is engaging with us. We're kids. We're not kids. He's recruiting. And I said, yeah, well, that's. That's. He knows how to do that. He knows how to do that as well as anybody who's ever done it. Be engaged with teenage boys, one of whom. Both of whom played basketball. Carter played basketball for three years, and then Zach, and he wound up again being good enough to be recruited by Michigan. Carter. I get a photo. I get a text from Carter one day during last season, this past season. And in the photo is Bill Belichick. And Carter, because Bill Belichick has come to Gonzaga High School to see him.

Tony Kornheiser (19:25)

This is how Good. This is how it works, by the way. And Mike Shashefsky, who watches PTI every day, he's our target demo. 75 to dead. Yeah, that's what we're looking.

Tim Kirkjian (19:35)

No doubt. Yeah. And there's stuff that we can talk about. Tony didn't. Mike and I can talk about that. You know, they are both amazed and they probably wonder, are these guys serious?

Musician (Gavin Shire) (19:48)

Yeah, it's.

Tim Kirkjian (19:48)

It's. It's Mike.

Tony Kornheiser (19:50)

But that's. That's not all. That's. That's number one. But that's not all we do.

Tim Kirkjian (19:55)

We. It was just. Again, again, I'm overwhelmed by the visit. I'm overwhelmed. And then we go and say, let's get some, you know, to eat. Before. David Jacobs, Jeff Jacobs, son, Northwestern alum and soon to be Duke alum in graduate school, had set up, set up, taking. He's. He is on the practice team for Carol Lawson's women's Duke team. Every women's team has a men's practice team. That's the deal. So David Jacobs is on that. So he's got, you know, he's got access to anything and everything. So he just says to Matthew, look, I know you want to see Cameron and the real Cameron, we'll go behind the scenes and see it. So we do that, but we go to the. What's the name of the Washington Duke Inn, which is one of the stately. My God, it has to be one of the great campus places ever.

Musician (Gavin Shire) (20:52)

Yeah.

Tim Kirkjian (20:53)

And it's.

Tony Kornheiser (20:54)

They call it the Waduk. The Waduk.

Tim Kirkjian (20:56)

The Waduk. Also the clubhouse for the golf course. So we go in and we're sitting there, have lunch, and Matthew's eyes widen and I don't know who's behind me. And I'm thinking, there's gonna be somebody. I don't know. And he's mouthing something, and it winds up being the head coach of the Los Angeles Rams. Next to mine. Sean McVeigh is chair next to us. At first, I didn't get out. I said, Sean McVeigh doesn't want to be bothered. So. But after about 10 minutes, I said, what the hell? We're all sitting here and we're all going to be here for like an hour. So I stood up and said, hello, and Sean McVay was just. I've never missed Sean McVeigh in my life. If it did happen in Washington when he was here, neither one of us remember. Remember that?

Tony Kornheiser (21:47)

Well, I remember it because the head coach was not as good as the assistants that he had around Him. That's right.

Tim Kirkjian (21:53)

Yeah, that's right.

Tony Kornheiser (21:53)

That's all.

Tim Kirkjian (21:54)

So we wind up just chatting. McVeigh.

Tony Kornheiser (21:58)

And he loves you. He loves you.

Tim Kirkjian (22:00)

He was great. He was just. He was fabulous to talk to about. And I said to him, you crushed me six weeks ago. You killed me. And I told him I was at the Bears Rams game. So of course we talk about that, and we talk about that game. We talk about Caleb Williams, who he loves. He says the pass is the stunning thing he's ever seen, just like the rest of us. The way the rest of us talked about that fourth down pass to tie the game to Cole Comet to take his overtime. He looked at it the way we do. He was like, this is not possible. I'm standing here watching something. I do this for a living. What? He's just done running backwards, throwing that ball to the end zone for just. That is not possible. We talked about that. And then, you know, I said, let me. Let me just sort of bow out for a second. I said, coach, this young man, Matthew's best friend, Carter, he's going to Michigan to play defensive end next year when Carter stands up. Carter's 6, 7, 2, 40, and he looks like he could either be an NBA 2 guard or defensive end. And then he and McVay talk for a while, and he has Carter, who's just a wonderful kid, he has questions for McVay, like, as if he was prepared to meet McVay and he wasn't. It was great. McVeigh loved that. And I said, I'm gonna step over here out of the way. You guys chat. And he chatted with the boys for a while about sports, about their lives, about what should be doing in high school.

Tim Kirkjian (23:32)

Just.

Tim Kirkjian (23:32)

It was unbelievable. And I'm drawing a blank now because I'm old. The GM of the Rams, his gm, who was also so generous with time and spirit and his wife. And, you know, so we bothered them through their lunch, which is, you know, regrettable. You should never do that because we would hate people doing that to us. And that's what I did.

Tony Kornheiser (23:58)

Yeah, but that's part of the deal. That's part of the deal. It seems the GM is less.

Tim Kirkjian (24:04)

Less sneed, of course, less need. And Les had been to Cameron before for a Carolina Duke game, but Coach McVay had not been. Sean had not been to Cameron.

Tony Kornheiser (24:18)

So. But that's. That's not all. That's not all. Because then. Then right before the game, you're on television. Who are you chatting with?

Tim Kirkjian (24:27)

Well, I didn't know that. I didn't know I was on television. I went to. I went early to Cameron, of course, because we're there. And so I went about an hour and a half early and went on the floor to say hello to J. Will and Seth Greenberg. And I, you know, wanted to. I never see those guys in person anymore. And Billis, who I didn't even see and I wanted to see, but I didn't see him. I see. We see. We talk to Jay all the time.

Tim Kirkjian (24:54)

But.

Tim Kirkjian (24:54)

But then I specifically wanted to see Carlos Boozer, specifically, who I covered, who was a member of the great Bulls teams that did not get to cash it in because Derrick Rose had that catastrophic injury. And Carlos Boozer, of course, his twin boys are the stars of the Duke team, particularly his son Cameron, who is.

Tony Kornheiser (25:13)

He's gonna go one, two or three in the draft, one of the first

Tim Kirkjian (25:16)

three, four players to be chosen. And I knew Carlos goes to every game. I just wanted to talk to him. So we did that for a while. He put up with me for a while.

Tim Kirkjian (25:25)

Carlos.

Tim Kirkjian (25:26)

I explained to his wives, he's had to put up with me for a lot of years. He's going to put up with me for 15 minutes today. And it was just great to listen to him. We talked about being fathers. We talked about the regrets we have for having missed so much of their growing up. And obviously, Cam Boozer's only a year older than Matthew. And we talked about just missing everything for years and how Carlos was great. He just said, look, we can't. The only thing we could do about it now is to be as present as possible without being helicopter dads. And, of course, he was right. And you've been through this, you know, because you had two. You had two, two children, one more athlete and driven than the other. But you went through this and you went through all the stuff you had to miss. And we're at the end of that process now as they go to college and, you know, so talking to Carlos, it was just great, just catching up with them in a different context.

Tony Kornheiser (26:27)

There's one more. There's one more, because I need to say this for reasons that I don't understand. The last time we did a PTI show, the Open was about how we were going to talk about our middle names, about our middle names. And so Michael's name is Ray Raymond, and mine is Irwin. And I was asked, I think you asked me on the air, you know, did you know anyone else ever named Irwin? And I said on the air, I said, there's one guy I knew named Irwin Stewart, who I believe was the coach at Plainview Kennedy High School. And one of his players was Seth Greenberg. And I mentioned Seth and not his older brother Brad, who's a better player, because nobody's going to know who Brad is, but they're going to know who Seth is. If they're watching espn, they're going to know who Seth is. So you tell the rest of that story.

Tim Kirkjian (27:17)

I just walk across him, by the way, let me not forget Rhys Davis, the ringmaster of. Yeah. And just such a gracious person to even have me walking onto the set like that. And Seth walks over, sticks out his hand and says with the funny expletive, how did he get Irwin, whatever the last name, Stewart, Erwin, Tony, who claims to be too old to do anything, get Irwin Stewart. It was just. It was hysterical. I just, you know, they just scraped me up and he was so taken and, you know, so in such good spirit because of that. Because of you getting his high school coach. He said he got my high school coach. So Seth and I have to be about the same age. Which means you did reach back 50 years.

Tony Kornheiser (28:10)

Yeah, well, probably. It was. It was probably in the Earl, you know, 72, 73. Somewhere, like.

Tim Kirkjian (28:18)

Exactly. Exactly.

Tony Kornheiser (28:19)

Somewhere, like. Yeah, yeah.

Tim Kirkjian (28:21)

So it's just, you know, so to go to Cameron and. Pretty good day to hang out with everybody a little bit, have the boys have something that will hopefully, you know, they don't get the full measure of running into those two. Coach K, particularly in that context.

Tony Kornheiser (28:44)

Right.

Tim Kirkjian (28:45)

And Sean McVay, they don't get it. Now, I think in 10 years, they get it. And I think, to be honest with you, I think Carter, because he's. Come on, he's. I have a picture on my phone of him with Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick. Carter, we need to get you out of class, son. Coach Belichick is here to see you.

Tony Kornheiser (29:06)

And he went and he's going to Michigan instead.

Tim Kirkjian (29:08)

He's going to Michigan. He's going to Michigan. And he, you know, he was a kid who, you know, was like, let me. Let me talk to Michigan. Let me talk to Northwestern. Let me talk to Vanderbilt. Let me talk to, you know. Yes. The others, Alabama and North Carolina, they. George, they all recruited him, but he's an academic kid who went to an academic school, goes to. And you know what? Tony is interesting because many of the classmates of his, they're gone from their high schools and they're in Ann Arbor already having started.

Tony Kornheiser (29:44)

Oh, really?

Tim Kirkjian (29:45)

In Ann Arbor? And Mike says, yeah, well, Gonzaga High School's not having that. And that's another great moment. You know what I mean? It's like they understand they went to a high school where there's no free lunch. There's no, you know, you go into some place where there demands. Where their academic demands. And the both of them understood that. But it's a hell of a lot more important coming from Mike Krzyzewski than me.

Tony Kornheiser (30:15)

It's a wonderful story. It's a wonderful day. Congratulations. You had a great day, great time. I'll see you later. I will see you later. Thank you, Michael Wilbon, boys and girls. We will come back with Tim Kirkchin. I'm Tony Kornheiser.

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Tim Kirkjian (30:58)

You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser Show. The Tony Kornheiser Show.

Singer (Danny B) (31:05)

Now that you're not playing ball, Mr. Profar, I got an idea for you. Yeah, what's that? You could hit the road with me, Mr. Profar. Sing a little harmony. How do I do that? Sing a third above me. Sing a third above you.

Musician (Gavin Shire) (31:26)

Just like that.

Singer (Danny B) (31:29)

Since you won't be playing ball, we could do a call and response thing kind of like this. Hey ho. Hey ho. Hey ho. How's the money, Dana? Well, it ain't like with Atlanta, but you're in danger zone with testosterone. You're sounding good. I knew it. I'm thinking I can do it now. We're Danny B.

Tony Kornheiser (31:53)

And Mr.

Musician (Gavin Shire) (31:53)

Pro Far.

Singer (Danny B) (31:58)

I got a horse right here. His name is Paul river

Tony Kornheiser (32:04)

the great and genius Dan Burns. Genius. Seeing in the news that jerks in Profar is the dumbest player in the history of baseball and is now out not for 80, but for 162. Tim Kirkjen joins us. I will just. I'm gonna want to talk about the World Baseball Classic. But how stupid is that? I mean, honestly, how stupid is that?

Tim Kirkjian (32:25)

Yeah, two time loser on this. He loses an entire season. They signed him to be an important player for them. Infielder, outfielder, and he just hasn't showed up because of this. You got to know better than that. Sorry.

Tony Kornheiser (32:39)

You think he'll get back to baseball next year, or do you think it's over?

Tim Kirkjian (32:44)

Well, he's. He's good enough that somebody might take a shot at him, but it would take a special team to say, we're going to add this guy after what he's done the last year.

Tony Kornheiser (32:55)

Twice. Twice. First time he took complete responsibility. Did he take it this. I mean, come on, it's.

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (33:02)

You.

Tony Kornheiser (33:03)

All right, let me move on. Go ahead.

Tim Kirkjian (33:05)

Stopped asking, Tony, believe me, probably that

Tony Kornheiser (33:07)

was the right thing to do. All right, let's move to the World Baseball Classic, which I was disappointed that yesterday the United States team didn't play. I was looking for it all day. I didn't see it. How big a deal in your mind, how big a deal is the World Baseball Classic?

Tim Kirkjian (33:25)

It's great, Tony. And it has really grown on me in the last few years, and this is the best one we've seen, and it's only going to get better from here, Tony. I did the last round, you know, the last time they played a few years ago, and I did a bunch of games at Chase Field in Arizona. And after every. Every game was packed, and then you would walk outside the stadium after the game, and there was, like, a party going on in the streets. The. The commitment to country and the fans. It's. It was like the coolest thing I've ever seen. And now you add these ridiculously talented teams like the United States, like Japan, and like the Dominican. Yeah, we're headed for something really great here. This says most of the players now have come to terms with. All right, we're. We're going to leave our spring training teams. The teams don't like it, of course.

Musician (Gavin Shire) (34:20)

Right.

Tim Kirkjian (34:21)

But I think everyone recognizes in baseball, this is good for the game no matter what, and that's great for baseball.

Tony Kornheiser (34:29)

I was completely unfamiliar with it until the last time around. And everybody knows the magical moment is Shohei Ohtani striking out his former teammate, Mike Trout. But how did it happen? How did this happen? And how much of a backer is mlb? Because I would assume if MLB was against it, it would not have these people, right?

Tim Kirkjian (34:53)

MLB is in now, and they weren't in originally just because of fear of injury and everything else, but this happened, Tony, in part because of Shohei Ohtani. He shows up and they win the wbc, and he's the best player on the field, and nobody can do the things that he can do. And. And the. And I think he. I think he wanted to win that more than he wanted to Win the World Series. And I know I've heard from, we've heard from a bunch of guys. Kyle Schwaber, who's got 340 homers, says the one he hits one with the United States on the front is the biggest home run he's ever hit because of what he's wearing on his jersey. It sounds corny, but it's not, Tony. It's, it's real. It's really good what's happening now. It's great for baseball and it just shows you how international this game is. You know, we're trying to, we're trying to turn football into an international sport. And it's about as international as the international House of Pancakes. Baseball, it's real and it's genuine and people play it all over the world and they love it all over the world.

Tony Kornheiser (36:02)

I understand if you're an owner, a general manager or a manager, I completely understand you're afraid of what may happen to your pitchers if your pitchers do this. I understand that. So I guess I wonder, are there rules about pitching? Because I noticed that, you know, Logan Webb pitched I guess two to three innings and school pitch two innings. Are there rules?

Tim Kirkjian (36:24)

Yes.

Tim Kirkjian (36:24)

And what the. Well, the rules are coming from the team saying this guy cannot pitch on back to back days. He can't throw more than X number of pitches, otherwise he's going to get hurt. The last time we did this, I know this for a fact, the, the United States was almost ready to pitch a position player in the WBC because they ran out of pitchers because of the restrictions that the teams have put on the manager and the general manager. Well, that's not going to be the case this year. The United States is here to win and it's, it's just a tremendous showing. And I've had people tell me that this is, I just saw Jerry Hairston, who's been in baseball almost 50, 40 years. 50 years, and he said, this is the best I've ever seen baseball, what's happening right now.

Tony Kornheiser (37:18)

So I feel the same way that, that it's wonderful to watch and I, you know, I was disappointed yesterday that I could not see the game. I'm. I guess I'm wondering this like the first game out there. So Bobby Wood Jr. Leads off and then I think maybe Harper was next and then Schwaber was next and then Judge was next. And you just say to yourself, my God, what an unbelievable team. And then the second game they were almost all different players and they were every bit as good. How are the players Chosen

Tim Kirkjian (37:56)

well, they, a lot of them volunteered to do it. And when Paul Skeens and Tarek Skubal said we're in, and Bryce Harper said we're in, others followed. And this is the issue now with Scubal. He said, I'm in, but I'm only going to make one start. Then he gets captivated by being on this team, playing for his country, playing in a tournament this great. And he says, well, I'm going to have to make more than one start. To which the Tiger said, wait a second. We need to talk to you about this before you have to set up a plan if you're planning on changing the original plan. This is how captivating the WBC is that Tark Skubel gets among these guys and he is emotional about, I can't leave these guys using my guys. And yet the Tigers say, but we're your team. So it's a tricky, tricky spot that players are put in, but they are chosen because mostly they want to play. And then, you know, Mark DeRosa and the rest say, let's get this guy, see if he'll come.

Tony Kornheiser (38:57)

So I noticed like last, I think, was last year when the NHL scrubbed their All Star Game and they went to this thing called the Four Nations Cup. It was fabulous. I mean, everybody said, where you been all my life? And I think they feel the same way about the World Baseball Classic, what you're saying about having the United States or any country that you play for across your chest. We had a conversation on PTI about a month ago with Steve Young, and Steve Young said, if I could, I would try to play in flag football in the Olympics, because to have a gold medal, you know, football players don't have gold medals. Baseball players. For a while there was baseball in the world in the, in the Olympics, but not, not on this level. I think that's a great draw, that gold medal, don't you? I think it's a great draw.

Tim Kirkjian (39:47)

There's no doubt. And that's what these players are talking about now is winning a medal for their country. And again, there's no other way to look at this other than this is great for everyone because the Japanese are here to win. The whole thing is wrapped up on that. The Cuban team. That's all they talk about, that's all they think about, is the wbc. And we are now in with both feet in the United States. And that's why this is going to be so good. And with three. And what way do we see tonight, Tony? Mexico against the United States Benji Gill, the manager for Mexico, former major leaguer, said, this is going to be one of the great spectacles of all time, is watching the emotion and the crowd and everything else. Mexico against the United States tonight. It'll be so good. Eight o'.

Musician (Gavin Shire) (40:40)

Clock.

Tony Kornheiser (40:40)

Is that in Houston? Is that in Houston? Okay, so here's what I wonder about. Mark derosa seems quite affable. I mean, you know, he's interviewed in the dugout. He's very pleasant. How did he get the job? Isn't he a broadcaster? Isn't he guy in a booth now?

Tim Kirkjian (40:56)

Well, he does MLB Network. Yeah, tv, and he's great at it. Nobody, but nobody can explain the, you know, the art of hitting and the way to catch ground ball better than Mark derosa. Tony. He also went to Penn. All right. He's really smart and he was. He like played quarterback in high school and they like never lost a game. And then he played at Penn quarterback. And I don't think they lost a game there either. Some ridiculous number, but yes. And he could have been a major league manager by now if he wanted to. But it's not a great job these days, Tony, when you're not completely in charge of the team. So he finds it better and probably makes more money doing television and then doing the wbc. It's a great gig for him.

Tony Kornheiser (41:43)

Who do you like? I mean, well, Buster only last week told us he liked Japan. Who do you like?

Tim Kirkjian (41:50)

I think the Dominican team is the best team. I look at their lineup and it's just ridiculous to teach Junior Soto, Machado, Guerrero, Junior Camino. I mean, it's just absurd. The length of their lineup now. I don't know if their pitching can match the United States pitching, especially out of the rotation. But. And I think it's a. It's a toss up between the United States, Japan and the Dominican. But the Dominicans look like they have the most really, really good players of any team.

Tony Kornheiser (42:24)

I will transition badly to the major leagues right now. I was doing something yesterday. I was preparing the Happy Anniversary and the Happy Anniversary. The Happy Birthday. Rather, it's bird camp and Harris was 84 years old today and he played on the A's teams that won three in a row in the early 70s. And I learned that there's only two teams ever, ever who have won three World Series in a row. The Yankees did it three times and the A's did it once. We're looking at a Dodgers squad that just looks so good. Do you see them? Do you see them getting three in A row or if there's a challenger that you like to go against them.

Tim Kirkjian (43:04)

Well, first, about Burt Campaneris. When I was about nine, my dad used to take his three boys to the Shoreham Hotel to get autographs of visiting players who are in to play the Senators. So I went up to this guy, nine, who I am certain is Bert Campaneris. He's dressed in his. In a suit. So I go up and say, can I have your autograph? He says to me, I'll sign your autograph, but I'm not a baseball player. So we looked at. And it was. We looked at the autograph. It wasn't Burt Campaneris. It was Harry Belafonte.

Musician (Gavin Shire) (43:37)

Wow.

Tony Kornheiser (43:39)

Wow, that's great.

Tim Kirkjian (43:41)

That Burt Cabanaro.

Tony Kornheiser (43:42)

Yes. Wow.

Tim Kirkjian (43:44)

I saw the Dodgers this spring, Tony, and they are so good. The Dodgers, Tony, the last six years have won three championships and played 630 baseball like the last team to do that. Three championships and a winning percentage that high for a six year period with the Yankees, 53 through 58. That's how dominant the Dodgers have been. And if they stay healthy, this is to me, clearly the best Dodger team that they put out there. That's how good they are. Now it's baseball. So no guarantees. People get hurt, anything can happen. But they are without a doubt the best team in baseball. They are loaded from beginning to end, Tony. They won the World Series two years ago without a bullpen.

Tony Kornheiser (44:30)

That's right. That's right.

Tim Kirkjian (44:31)

And then, I mean, without a starting rotation.

Tony Kornheiser (44:34)

Yeah. They had no starters last year they won without a bullpen. Yeah.

Tim Kirkjian (44:37)

That's incredible. Yeah. They're even better than they've been the last few years.

Tony Kornheiser (44:41)

Do you still have Harry Belafonte's autograph? And what do you tell your children and grandchildren about who this person is?

Tim Kirkjian (44:47)

I don't have any. I don't collect anything. We threw everything away. Boobs and everything. So. No. And I'm not a collector, Tony. All I know is I was there and I thought it was Burke cabinets. And my dad said, oh my God, you just got Harry Belafonte's autograph.

Tony Kornheiser (45:03)

And then he tried to explain.

Musician (Gavin Shire) (45:05)

Day old, day old.

Tony Kornheiser (45:08)

Yeah. It's wonderful. Great story. Thank you, Tim. Talk soon. Thank you, Tim.

Tim Kirkjian (45:11)

Okay, Tony. See you.

Tony Kornheiser (45:12)

Tim Kirchen. Just. Just a total delight. We will come back with email and jingle. I'm Tony Kornheiser.

Tim Kirkjian (45:21)

You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. Everybody.

Tony Kornheiser (46:33)

Wet enough in that liquid? Jeremy Vint. So fabulous.

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (46:36)

Very calming.

Tony Kornheiser (46:36)

Do you want to do the Bethesda

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (46:37)

bagel bagel sandwiches today. We love Mondays.

Tony Kornheiser (46:40)

Happy about that?

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Tony Kornheiser (46:47)

And before we get to the mailbag, let me just say, staggerly cried Billy, oh, please don't take my life. I got three little children and a very sickly wife. Staggerly shot Billy always shot that poor boy so bad that bullets went through Billy and broke the bartender's glass. Lloyd Price, who would have been 93 years old today. And staggerly one of the great songs of all time. Thanks to our guests, Michael Wilbon, Tim Kirkjin. Thanks as well to today's sponsors. Remember you can listen to us on Apple, Spotify and Odyssey. Get show through Apple. Please leave us a review. Thank you for for a nice email from Patty Tatum. And now we've got Derek from Akron with a Rick Devins update. I'm happy to report that Rick Devins is crushing it during the first two episodes of Survivor. Although his tribe has gone to the first two tribal councils, there hasn't been an ounce of worry that he would get voted out. Despite clearly being the best survivor player on his tribe. He's made me laugh out loud multiple times while saying or doing something clever and then looking right into the camera. I'm even happy to report that I picked Mr. Devins with the third overall pick in my survivor fantasy draft. My wife and father in law will soon realize that much like the Houston Rockets and Portland Trailblazers in 1984, they just passed on Michael Jordan. Yes. Sam Elijah. One at one.

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (47:57)

Sam Bui.

Tony Kornheiser (47:58)

Sam Buoy.

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (47:58)

That's right.

Tony Kornheiser (47:59)

Rick Devins. This is from rick devins. Hello, Mr. Tony survivor update. I made it through another tribal. Haven't flushed the mouse yet. I appreciate the support of my fellow littles. How great is that?

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (48:10)

Keep it going, Rick.

Tony Kornheiser (48:12)

Okay, so we've got a bunch of. How many is it three? Shed has three. It's three different.

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (48:19)

Yeah, you can pick the one you

Tony Kornheiser (48:21)

want to do them all. Okay. Birds sang turn, turn, turn Seasons and clocks are shifting Coffee is my friend. Or time keeps on slipping back into the darkness for morning dog walkers or times are changing the clock clocks have leapt forward sleep falling behind. Yeah. This is the worst two weeks.

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (48:36)

It's just terrible.

Tony Kornheiser (48:37)

The worst two weeks. It's just dark. It's awful. Yeah. From Leo Valverde in Phoenix. Dear Dr. Porthouser, Phoenix has two time zones for reference. Russia has 11 time zones. The continental United States has four time zones. The Valley of the sun is indeed vast, including metropolis metropolises like Tempe and Mesa. It can host half of Major League baseball for spring training. Indeed, according to Wilbon, the ecology of North Scottsdale is significantly different from downtown Phoenix. However, Phoenix is encompassed by a single time zone. We do not observe Daylight savings time, which I'm sure is the unique temporal characteristic you were thinking of. Yes, they only go two hours. They don't have the full three. That's right. When things change, you know, they. They stay where they are. Right. They don't shift it. Right. Dr. Jeff Karen in Jackson, Mississippi. I've been to Jackson. As to your question of why Daylight savings last so much longer now, the answer, of course, is money. According to an NPR podcast I heard a few years ago, the ice cream lobby is behind extending Daylight savings to more of the year. As it turns out, people are more likely to go out to an ice cream store when it's still light outside. That is those who would rather not eat it over their kitchen sink. From Baron Lane, who says your man in Texas and cowboy fans, saltine crackers are fine. They're better than fine, Baron, but in Texas we have a glorious dish called a Frito pie. It is typically served right in the bag. You have a single serving bag of Fritos and ladle in your chili. While heat levels are a matter of preference, remember that including beans in chili is found upon here in Texas. You can also customize your Frito piece by adding jalapenos, sour cream, and chopped onions. Beans, on the other hand, might get you whooped here in the Lone Star State. Good to know. Kevin Coy in Youngstown, Ohio. Dear Dr. Tony Chili over rice. Ever try chili over mashed potatoes with little shredded cheddar on top? Perfection. That's it. That's the email. Oh PS Update your website, would you? I've been trying to get a pair of size 12 loafers for weeks now, but can't find the link to your inventory. Tom from Kelowna K E L O W N A Kelowna. Kelowna, British Columbia in Canada. When I heard that Scott in Manitoba was looking for a listener in B.C. to head Western Canadian sales for tea kicks, I thought, I know that listener. I am that listener. And my good friend Neil is a podiatrist in town, so I know where I can gain a foothold in the industry. That is assuming these shoes provide subtle art support. Because while it's true that I have a friend in podiatry he wouldn't be so friendly if he knew my business was a sub. Was substandard footwear as he considers that a dirty business. The official gas fitter of the Tony Kornheiser show from Ryan McCracken in Lafayette, Indiana. First time, long time. On the Monday show, you mentioned how the saltine was the most underrated cracker. Which got me thinking about what would be the most overrated cracker. I would nominate Carr's Table Water Crackers. I'm with you. They have no taste.

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (51:31)

Yeah, they have no taste.

Michael Wilbon (51:33)

It's just a vehicle.

Tony Kornheiser (51:33)

No taste.

Tim Kirkjian (51:34)

Sure.

Tony Kornheiser (51:34)

One could argue they are a more team player to a charcuterie board giving structure to a soft cheese standalone. The put on by this dry, flavorless accessory wafer. Offensive. Sharing space with international luminaries like Brian Calabrese. I'd love to hear your take on the most overrated cracker. I'll hang up. Yeah, they have no taste. Yeah, they just have no.

Michael Wilbon (51:54)

What do you rate? Is the fire hook crackers?

Tony Kornheiser (51:57)

Are they good?

Michael Wilbon (51:58)

Yeah.

Tony Kornheiser (51:58)

Okay. Who makes them? I think it's.

Michael Wilbon (52:00)

I think it's a fire. Okay.

Tony Kornheiser (52:01)

Okay. Scotty Baker, the unofficial Egypt Egyptian archeologist of the Tony Corners show from Berrien Springs, Michigan, completely agree about the saltine cracker being the best cracker. The best brand has to be Skyflakes, made in the Philippines. Wonder if you've ever heard of them. No, no, don't know them at all.

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (52:20)

So it's a box of that, though,

Tony Kornheiser (52:22)

from Raffy Zach in Hollis, New Hampshire, but formerly in Great Neck, New York. The update for Chessy is great news. She will now have over two years to prepare for the hof toe rush. Tommy Fleetwood Bark Mitzvah. Oh, this is great. Tommy Fleetwood. This is Tony Beeson sends an AI picture of Tommy Fleetwood wearing a chatter hat and a chatter shirt.

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (52:47)

Feels like we can get this done.

Tony Kornheiser (52:48)

Can we make this happen, please?

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (52:49)

Let me show this to show to

Tony Kornheiser (52:50)

Michael from Mike in Canton, Ohio. Can you ask Mark Feinsand if the WBC Israel game in Miami had a Hyman Roth bobblehead night? Him laying on the couch with a ball capsule saying that man's name was Mo Green. Was Godfather one or two better start the argument for littles. It's not that they're better. You put them together.

Guest or Co-host (possibly George Solomon or another guest) (53:09)

Yeah. Watch them back to back.

Tony Kornheiser (53:10)

You watch them together, cut into each other. It's not better. Bob Gray, Stratford, Prince Edward island in Canada. While navigating the frost heaves on the road leading to my home, I heard Tony ask what are frost heaves. Just then I hit a beauty and became airborne for a second. What are frost heaves? They are the bane of our existence here in the north, but also a true sign that spring is only about six weeks away and way more accurate than some sleepy groundhog. I live on Prince Edward island, which is made of sandstone. When the freeze thaw freeze cycle starts in March, the porous sandstone takes on water from thawing ice and snow on sunny days, freezes again at night when the temperature drops and like all frozen water, expands. This means all our late winter roads are filled with unexpected hills and ridges and sometimes even sinkholes as a sandstone base tries to break through the pavement above. It's like driving a roller coaster. We are covered with snow and ice right now. The Coast Guard icebreaker just broke a path through the harbor outside our home. But with our roads now covered with frost heaves, we know spring can't be too far away. Thanks for asking. I had no idea. It's very interesting. It is. I mean, the things that you live with. Depending on the climate. Yeah. That you live in. From Rich Har in Southern Pines, North Carolina, which I'm aware of, Southern Pines, because I've taken the train to Southern Pines. That's near Pinehurst, right? Southern Pines is right near. Adding to your collection of iconic matchboxes remains possible. The bowl of Capitol Hill Club freebies is at the entrance, but you'll need to navigate at least 25 congressional aides to grab one for your future frame collection. I don't smoke or find myself in many survival situations, but your show made this little box remarkable picture for those on News Channel 8. It's very nice. It's really quite nice. Capitol Hill Club 75th anniversary Brett Bossi in Lee, New Hampshire. Given that you've dubbed Thursday's podcast all sandshow, does that make it eligible for the toy hall of Fame? Which is funny. And from Spencer Boone in Great Falls, Montana. My good man, you ordered wine at the tune in. I was a lobbyist in D.C. for many years and the tune was our regular Friday lunch spot. Pitchers of cheap beer and edible cheeseburgers. One day a non regular joined our group and asked the waitress if she had a wine list. The waitress responded, yeah, we have red and white. I love joints where one orders wine by color. I did. I ordered. I said, you got cheap red wine? She said, absolutely. If you're out on your bike tonight, everyone, as always, do wear white.

Tim Kirkjian (55:23)

How much weight do you think I could bench press? Just make a guess. Ballpark figure.

Musician (Gavin Shire) (55:51)

She had hair that flowed like a river her swimming pool eyes and she swayed her hips while her lips didn't compromise and she told me she liked my moves and I told her lies. We made love all night to my old school But I could tell she was nobody's fool. She played me like a record Left me spinning on the ground with that song in my head Going round and round and round now it's just me and the dance with words that but I don't understand. It's a crying shame but I do it again A handle in my hand Me and the dance. Shine up your gold teeth. Call Dr. Wu. She did everything I could ask a woman like her to do and she gave me a smile Said it's not me, it's you. Call it quits and cut my losses. T my I's and dot my crosses I bought me a frill but now I'm counting down the slow hand roll it's another royal scam that everything must

Tony Kornheiser (57:34)

go

Musician (Gavin Shire) (57:36)

except for me and the dad. With words that I don't understand. Such a sad refrain that I do it again. A diamond in my hand Me in the dance. You know there's no such thing as smooth red cell chasing dragons only catch you by. Redeemer she'll be dancing on my bones Till the big black cows come home. It's a new frontier as far as I'm concerned. The light in your window is always burning it's the life you chose Lord knows you're coming to discerning I live night by night just to quell my yearning. While all your nightly suitors park their motor scooters I'm alone trying to decipher the clues but monkey see, monkey do's Kangaroos and deacons news now it's just me and the dance with words that I don't understand. It was all in vain but I'd do it again to Mr. Parker's band. Me and the dance.

Singer (Danny B) (60:18)

Now that you're not playing ball, Mr. Profar, I got an idea for you. Yeah, what's that? You hit the road with me, Mr. Profar. Sing a little harmony. How do I do that? Sing a third above me. Sing a third above you?

Musician (Gavin Shire) (60:38)

Just like that.

Singer (Danny B) (60:41)

Since you won't be playing ball, we could do a call and response thing kind of like this. Hey ho. Hey ho. Hey ho. How's the money, Dana? Well, it ain't like with Atlanta, but you're in danger zone with testosterone. You're sounding good. I knew it. I'm thinking I can do it. Now we're Danny B.

Tim Kirkjian (61:05)

And Mr.

Musician (Gavin Shire) (61:06)

Pro.

Singer (Danny B) (61:10)

I got a horse right here his name is Paul Revere and there's a guy who says if the weather's clear.