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Tony Kornheiser
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Michael Wilbon
Based on analysis by Ookliff's BTEST Intelligence.
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Tony Kornheiser
Data 1H 2025 compatible device. Implant required for T satellite. See details@t mobile.com previously on the Tony Kornhauser Show. I have no confidence in the manager. None. I have no confidence in the coaching staff. None. The picture, this is Mackenzie Gore who got racked.
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Jason Lockenfora
All Star.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, I mean, Jim Hickey comes out to the mountain. I think to myself, well, what are you gonna really accomplish? I've no, I have no confidence in any of them. None. And so the text chain Becomes morose. Becomes morose. This is General George Washington, and you're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. Not last night, though. Not last night. Last night. They have now won two in a row. The Washington Nationals are one of the five worst teams in baseball by their record, one of the five worst, as are the Chicago White Sox, as are the Colorado Rockies. There's one or two others that are at the bottom. Pittsburgh Pirates are at the bottom. And the Washington Nationals one of the five.
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Michael Wilbon
And I'd say they've had the biggest jump.
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Tony Kornheiser
Who?
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Michael Wilbon
The Nationals. Just in terms of, like, they had a pretty good start. I mean, this was a. This was a skid for you now of seven or eight weeks.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yes, yes. So. But it so much is determined by who you are playing. Like, if you are playing one of the top 10 teams, the odds are you're going to lose two of three or three of four. Cincinnati's right in the middle.
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Michael Wilbon
Games that.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, Cincinnati has. There are two games over.500. There's something like 13 or 14 teams below them, one team even with them, and 14 or 15 teams ahead of them. They're right in the middle. And the Nats have done well against them. The Nats have done well. The Nats have won two or three. They have a noon game today. Last night, the text chain for me was just one thing. It was Pilkington with a question mark. I'm looking at the game and there's some guy in there, a relief pitcher whose name is Pilkington. I have never heard of him. Don't know who he is. While reading the Post today, I find out he was just called up yesterday, so how could I possibly know who he was? And they put them right in because. Who are they kidding? The reason they call people up is because the people they have stink. They don't want to see them.
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Tim Kirchen
See what you can do, kid.
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Tony Kornheiser
So, yeah, I mean, if you get called up to the Nats and you don't play, you need to quit baseball because they're calling you up to get you in there because what they've got isn't any good. So they won two out of three games so far.
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Tim Kirchen
Did he look good? Pilkington?
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. For an inning and a half or whatever he was in there for. Yeah. Big, strong kid that my. My. Both my favorite strikeouts. Yeah, both. My favorite person and the one that I don't like at all is that Lefty Chafin who literally looks like he was found at the side of a road.
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Michael Wilbon
Kenny Powers.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. I just. You know, Right. Yes. Yeah. I mean he's. His hair, his mustache, everything about him. You go, wow, where'd they get this guy? And he also is a big guy and you think he's going to throw at 101 and he doesn't. He throws mostly junk. Really? Yeah. So I've watched him a few times. Sometimes he's good, sometimes he's terrible. But he's. He's sort of interesting to look at. I'm getting off that topic though because there are two other things. Well, a couple of other things I have to mention. First of all, Malcolm, Jamal Warner died the other day. He drowned. He was on a vacation, I think in Costa Rica.
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Tim Kirchen
That's correct.
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Tony Kornheiser
And he was of course Theo Huxtable. He was most famous in his acting career for Theo Huxtable. But he also played Michael Wilbon.
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Tim Kirchen
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
In the short lived series Listen up. He played Michael Wilmot. In fact, I have a big picture at my office in. At PTI of Jason Alexander and Malcolm. Jamal Warner playing me on Wilbon, you know, and so that was, that was sad for me.
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Tim Kirchen
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Ozzy Osbourne died.
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Tim Kirchen
Yes.
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Tony Kornheiser
Now I, I'm not, I am not going to sit here and get revisionist about my relationship with Ozzy Osbourne. I don't like that kind of music.
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Tim Kirchen
Not a big Black Sabbath.
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Tony Kornheiser
No, no. I thought he was a weird guy. I thought every group he played in was weird. But I, I am cautioned by the fact that my dear friend Jeff Leonardo drove him around a lot and loved Ozzy Osbourne. Really always said nice things about Ozzy Osborne. What most people think is he bit the head off a bat. That's number one.
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Tim Kirchen
Yeah, that's the first line.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yes. Bit the head off of that. Hard to get around it. There is. He apparently had Parkinson's disease for some length of time.
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Tim Kirchen
Yes, I think that's some length of time.
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Tony Kornheiser
And died the other day. I watched that show here and there with his wife Sharon. We go. Sharon and the kids and I. I enjoyed it.
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Tim Kirchen
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
I thought like that changed tv. Yeah, there it did. They did Almost normal. Their relationships are almost normal. Even though none of them looks normal at all. I watched that. I enjoyed it, didn't I? Wasn't a devotee of it and Jeff was obviously. But I will tell you that the obituary in the New York Times is tremendous and you should go read it. It's really, really worth reading in the New York Times. Michael, you went to the. To the tennis.
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Michael Wilbon
Yes.
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Tony Kornheiser
Last night. Tell everybody what the tennis. There's a big for People who don't know this, there's a two week or ten day tournament in D.C. preparatory to the U.S. open in New York City. And they attract some very, very good players year after year after year. It is run by Mark Ein who is a friend and one of the very dear friend of Wilbon's actually and, and one of the owners of the Washington Commanders. Soon to be something else perhaps, who knows. But it's a big deal tennis tournament, right?
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Michael Wilbon
Yeah. Moobadala D.C. city open. This is, I don't, I would call it a rite of passage for kids to begrudgingly go with their parents. Our big boys are out of camp for the week so we're trying to figure out what to do with camp. Mom and dad. And so we took them over in the late afternoon. We knew we were going to see Ben Shelton and then the marquee matchup for us was going to be able to stay up late to watch Venus Williams and the boys.
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Tony Kornheiser
45 years old. Venus Williams, 45 years old, seven majors in her life. A big deal. Not on the very top level, but on the next level.
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Tim Kirchen
Yes.
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Michael Wilbon
And just to watch the way she moves around the court and dissects her own game because the boys, you know, you always are looking for the player to look up to the coach and she's not doing that. You're like boys, I think she can handle this internally as she's trying to work through some, you know, issues with the serve. But you get to this event and the boys, they have these YODO cards. You will not know what this is, but it's basically a personal player that have these cards and these can be stories, books, music and, and they have these, you know, they have these real life fact cards. So they have these D or they have sports icons. So we're walking into the match, they know all these little tidbits about the Williams sisters and they know about their, their majors and their rise to fame. So to have them be, be able to stay up late to watch, that was great. But before we got there we got to see Ben Shelton. He'd try and say, hey kids, you get to watch a top 10 tennis player. You saw him, you saw him playing the last couple months because the kids really only get to watch the majors. So they see a lot of the, for us, the mid morning matchups in the early rounds. So they, they knew the name Ben Shelton. To see his serve in person touching the mid-140s is unbelievable. And then because these are shorter matches, the boys are used to These long drawn, you know, you know, five setters to see the change up where you start to go like, okay, you know, he's going to start to play a lot of, you know, serve and volley and trying to end these points really quickly. They both ended up being, I think six, three, six, four matches. But in both matches, the second sets got a little tighter and the tennis got a little bit sharper. And to hear his post round talk there was just a relief to have an American player come back to play in hard court before you have the US Open in a couple weeks and just knew how to work the crowd about being able to go to Chick Fil A, you know, go to Chipotle and just happy to see some DC fans does.
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Tony Kornheiser
I'm really glad that they got to go to see that.
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Michael Wilbon
And we walk in, I get to say to the boys, this is where your dad learned how to drive. And you know, 20, close to 25 years ago.
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Nigel
Right.
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Michael Wilbon
Or 20 years ago.
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Tim Kirchen
When in the big A parking lot.
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Michael Wilbon
The big, the big parking lot. Players lot right now.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. That's a lovely tournament and it does well all the time. Sells out all the time.
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Michael Wilbon
No rain delays for you. Nigel, were you at.
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Tony Kornheiser
You were your seats, you think you were visible on the tennis.
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Michael Wilbon
Oh, I think you're on the tennis channel, yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay. Because Neville went. Neville went to the Nats last night and Neville sat in Allen's seats and Neville said, I think I might be on. On close plays at first. And I said, I've been watching Nev. You're not on. They're not going wide on those shots. They go, the camera goes from behind. It doesn't open up into the first base boxes. So I have two people I knew last night who might have been on television. I spent during the Nats game and you know, and after the Nats game, I watched the conclusion of the first half of the Billy Joel documentary. Did I mention the Billy Joel documentary the other day?
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Tim Kirchen
You did, you did. And thanks to your mentioning of it, I watched. Not the whole first part, but I watched a good portion of it as well.
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Tony Kornheiser
It's the most honest thing I've ever seen. It really is that that has cooperation from big stars. It's unbelievable how honest it is, how they go over everything and how receptive Billy Joel is to being in this documentary, which is executive produced, I think, by Tom Hanks. There are people in it who talk about Billy Joel, you know, snippets here and there, but Bruce Springsteen talks about Billy Joel. Jackson Brown talks about Billy Joel. Bruce Springsteen explains the differences between him and Billy Joel. And Billy Joel's former wife, Elizabeth is in this thing. And as they. They don't go. They're not angry at each other. Nobody's sniping at each other. But Elizabeth makes it clear that some of Billy Joel's songs are about her. And I didn't make her feel all that great in the moment. You know, Big Shot, for example, was about her. Stiletto was about her. As Billy Joel worked out his anxieties by writing music, he has that in. I'm not going to go on and on about this, because I have another story to tell you. He has that one thing that everyone in the world would envy if they're in music, if they were musicians. He can hear it and play it. Doesn't have to read it. He can hear it and play it. And he's been able to do that since he's five years old. I mean, that. That is his great gift. Hear it, play it. When he talks about taking classical piano lessons when he was a kid and just sort of changing the music yet, he said, yeah, I could do. I could do. It could sound like Bach. It could sound like Beethoven. And, you know, whoa, what are you, five, six years old? You mean, it could sound like Bach? And. And he knew the difference. And he. He can create that. And his, you know, his stuff is great over a long, long period of time.
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Tim Kirchen
Yes.
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Tony Kornheiser
So I would. I recommend it. And with the proviso that I am Billy Joel's age, I know his entire career, every part of his career. You are not, if you're younger, and you may say, who's this guy? Who cares? And that's. That's fair. That's fair to say, who cares? Because there'll be somebody in your life that you care about. This is the one that I'm watching that I care about. And I wanted to tell this other story.
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Tim Kirchen
Can I just say something real quick?
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
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Tim Kirchen
You. You talk about this with Bruce Springsteen from time to time about when he sings certain songs, he doesn't have to sing because the crowd. And so they talked about that with the Piano man. And you see these massive arenas, and he's just sitting up there not singing, and the entire audience is carrying it, and it just makes you so happy. The origins of that song to get all the way to where it's just this anthem now is.
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Tony Kornheiser
Is magnificent song is the story of his younger life. He was not making any money because he signed away all of his money to this other guy, Artie Rip signed it away and had to work in a bar.
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Tim Kirchen
Destroyed this first album. The Cold harbor album.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, Cold Spring Harbor. One other thing before we tell this story. This is from Andrew Weiss. Just wanted to pass along word to Tony that my band, Andrew Weiss and friends, will be back again performing at Nationals park on August 1st. That's next week. August 1st?
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Tim Kirchen
Yes.
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Tony Kornheiser
What is that? Saturday or Friday night? Next Friday night, maybe Friday at 5pm for Grateful Dead, day before the game against the Brewers. Tony happens to be there. Would love to say hi to him. I'm not. I'm not a big Grateful Dead person. I mean, you know, I'm not a big Black Sabbath person. I don't care about the Grateful Dead. You know, there's other groups I. You know, they're not for me.
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Tim Kirchen
Pink Floyd came up.
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Tony Kornheiser
No, not Pink Floyd. No. But. But if you. If you like the Grateful Dead and you want to see the Andrew Weiss Band, by all means, go. So I want to tell this one small story, usually because Soliza likes real life stories. I am on my phone a couple of days ago and I get what appears to be a message from American Express, and it says, there's, you know, we have found some irregularities in what has been bought on your card. We'd like to talk to you about this. You know, we're a little bit worried and, you know, so here, if you want to do that, click here. Okay. So I click here. Nothing happens. I click again. Nothing happens. So I do what I do often. I get my American Express card out, and I look at the back of it and I see the number for personal customer service, and I call, call that number, and I say, okay. And the woman who's there says, are you calling about the card ending in? And I say, yeah, that card. So what can I do for you? I said, well, you know, I got this email, and believe me when I tell you the logo of American Express on this email is. It's. Right. It's a dead ringer. It's not like American spelled with a en. It's. No, it's not that. It's not some obvious thing. It looks just like American Express. It purports to be American Express. So I say, I had this problem. And she said, oh, no, no, that's a scam. Don't ever click on that. Always call us. And my point in all of this, and I've said many, many times how much I respect American Express and think it's a very, very good company. So I'm not just going to go Back into that. My point in this is this is completely illegal. If I'm getting these emails, so are a million to 10 million other people.
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Michael Wilbon
Especially with your AOL account and. Yeah, yeah, because they're going to try and target an older demographic.
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Tony Kornheiser
Right, right. So, so arrest these people or stop this. Go and do the work you have to do. Which is going to be really easy because millions of people have gotten the same email and everyone apparently knows it's a scam. So stop it at the source. Shut these. Right. Shouldn't you be able. Shouldn't the government be able to shut these people down? This doesn't just happen with American Express. Now comes with a thousand.
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Michael Wilbon
They say this best in the opening of Aladdin. One jump ahead of the law, man. I mean, this is. They're trying to just keep changing what it looks like so that they always stay ahead of the law.
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Tim Kirchen
I've gotten these from FedEx where.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yes, I've gotten those. We tried to deliver your package and.
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Michael Wilbon
Just send your information here.
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Tim Kirchen
Yeah. And you're.
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Michael Wilbon
Like, a recent one has been Easy Pass, which, you know, whenever you see something from Easy Pass, to avoid bigger fines, like, I gotta take care of this right now.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yes. Yeah. Yes.
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Tim Kirchen
It's despicable that they do this.
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Tony Kornheiser
But of course it's despicable. It's also illegal and should be prosecuted. And these people should be shut down. And the people who were in charge of it should. Should go to jail, actually. Should go to jail. Yes. Right.
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Tim Kirchen
Yes. It's fraud. I mean, I don't know what happens.
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Tony Kornheiser
Why doesn't that happen? Why aren't more. Why aren't these things shut down? Why do they keep popping up?
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Michael Wilbon
I just think the, the, the quick changes that they're able to make. But for you, it's, It's a reminder. You don't do anything on your phone. For the majority of us, our phone is the most important device we have in terms of. I don't go holding all of our secure private information. If you can just get anything that gives you access into that phone, you can take over someone's life.
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Tony Kornheiser
So it should, it should be stopped.
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Michael Wilbon
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
There should be dedicated law enforcement.
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Tim Kirchen
I'm sure that there's, you know, there are law enforcement agencies that are pursuing these, but it's probably like cockroaches. You, you know, slam 1 and 5 more pop up with different logos and different sort of ways of getting into you.
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Tony Kornheiser
If I'm, if I'm American Express, I'm livid about this. Oh, sure, there's you're trying to steal money from my customers. Yeah, and giving me a bad name by doing it when I'm not a bad person.
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Michael Wilbon
A lot of times if a company is being targeted, they'll send out that mass communication that says reminder, we don't ask for any personal information. You know, make sure that you double check. But we are noticing. Yeah, I didn't get that. We are being dragged through the mud on this. So just be careful.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, I didn't get anything like that. I mean, I get. I get the same things every day. Is it. Have you checked your credit on Experian? No. I know. I don't care. My credit is good.
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Tim Kirchen
It's okay.
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Tony Kornheiser
Leave me alone. But I get 10 of those a day. Yeah, well, your credit score is great on it.
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Michael Wilbon
Could be better if you type in your social right now.
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Tony Kornheiser
I don't. I don't want to do that. What? You know, but then I also have to. In order to get to American Express on the phone, you have to give the last four digits of your Social Security number. Yeah. So, I mean, it feels like. It feels like you're walking through a field of landmines. It feels like you could make a misstep and blow up your leg. Sure. With all of these companies all of the time. Again, why do I say the Internet is the worst thing that ever happened to the world? It'll teach you how to boil a chicken. It's very good for that. But the bad stuff is just really bad. All right, who's first? Frustrated Jason Locanfour.
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Tim Kirchen
Jason will be first.
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Tony Kornheiser
Jason Locanfour when we return. I'm Tony Kornheiser. This is the Tony Kornheiser show. This is the Chili pad. Read. Poor sleep equals poor results. But here's the kicker. Quality sleep isn't always about how long you sleep, but how well you sleep. And science tells us temperature plays a massive role in that. Meet Chilipad by Sleep Me. Its mission is to elevate the quality of human life through cool sleep. Whether you're an elite athlete, weekend warrior, or just hate tossing, turning and sweaty sheets, Chilipad can end your nights of sleeping hotter than hell. The Chilipad cooling system was designed with athletes in mind. It lets you customize your sleeping environment to your personal temperature, ensuring you fall asleep faster and wake up recovered. It's like having a personal recovery coach, but for your sleep. Chilipad works with your existing mattress. It's a temperature regulated, water based mattress topper that precisely controls your bed temperature from 55 to 115 degrees. The systems are buildable and designed for one or two sleepers, so if your sleep partner likes to sleep at different temperatures or you only need it for one side of the bed, that's OK too. Plus, you can schedule automated temperature changes to trigger deep sleep and reduce night sweatshirt Would chili pad dominate the day? Recover at night? Visit www.sleep.metony to get your Chilipad and save 20% with the code Tony. The special offer is available for Tony Kornheiser show listeners. Dozens of you and only for a limited time. Order it today with free shipping and try it out for 30 days. You can return it for free if you don't like it with their sleep trial. Visit www.sleep S L E E P.me Tony and see why cold sleep is your ultimate ally in performance and recovery. This is the Tony Kornheiser Show Tony Kornizer Show One of the most inspiring moments I've ever seen in sports was watching Willis Reed come out to play in Game 7 of the 1970 NBA Finals with a bad left leg. But he scored the Knicks first four points. He inspired the team to beat the Lakers. Small business owners know that feeling right now, with rising costs, tighter lending and customers being more cautious with their spending, running a business takes real resilience. And that's why now, before things get tougher, is the time to secure flexible working capital. That's where revenue comes in. It's fast, flexible funding built specifically for small businesses. You can get approved based on your revenue, not your credit score, and have access to up to $250,000 in as fast as one business day. Only need part of that great with revenue flex line, you only draw what you need when you need it and only pay for what you use. No application draw or maintenance fees and your funds replenish as you repay. More than 10,000 business owners are already using revenue to power through uncertainty. Apply now at use revenue.com that's use revenue with a D dot com. Apply today and be ready for whatever comes next. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser Show. We have Music today by Jake Huffman sent to us by Joel Cookson. This is a song called on the Edge and Joel Cookson writes. Along with being a talented artist, Jake is one of the very kind and endlessly patient instructors at the performance based music school School of Rock in North Haven, Connecticut. My 8 year old son is one of the many kids who are developing a love of music and performing under Jake's tutelage and we've been blown away Both by his talent and his eagerness to see kids grow into musicians themselves. The school teaches music not through rote theory and boring practice, but by actually playing fun music. My son is currently drumming to a bunch of Rolling Stones songs, though they haven't worked on the part where the lead singer helplessly tells a bunch of rioting fans to Cool out. Cool out, people. I wanted to share Jake's music as a thank you to him and all the other teachers helping to inspire future rockers. Jake Hoffman, first of his two songs, again on the Edge, plays in Jason Lockin 4 Now we have Jason's walk in music. Right? Do we have that?
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Jake Huffman
Let's Get It Started with Jason and Ben. Let's Get It Started with Jason.
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Tony Kornheiser
This is AI, right?
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Tim Kirchen
This is all AI real people.
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Tony Kornheiser
I don't even know if Jason's real.
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Nigel
I don't know.
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Tony Kornheiser
What do you think? You still like that music?
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Nigel
Me?
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. You?
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Jason Lockenfora
Yeah, I like it, man. It means we're about to make money for some people on wannabet, the only daily sports wagering game show in existence. Tony.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay.
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Jason Lockenfora
And we have been making money for the people. So, yeah, it's the bop of the summer as far as I'm concerned. And you can check us out at YouTube.com backslash@wannabetwithus.
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Tony Kornheiser
Wannabe. W A N N A, right?
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Jason Lockenfora
Yes, sir.
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Tony Kornheiser
W A N N. Bonner Dewana.
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Jason Lockenfora
Wanna bet with us? Of course you do. We make money.
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Tony Kornheiser
So for people that aren't familiar with Jason, Jason knows everything about football. Jason knows everything about the NFL. There's nothing I can ask Jason that he won't know, have an opinion on and have, you know, background on. But I don't want to ask a lot of questions. I want to talk about Jerry Jones because Jerry Jones, I don't. I don't think someone is going to dispute this. He is the most famous owner in all of American sports. He's been around a long time now. Probably over 30 years. Probably over 30 years now. Maybe a little bit more than that. He owns the Dallas Cowboys, the most powerful, wealthiest, most loved and hated team in American sports. And he's in the middle of it all the time. And he is even the general manager.
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Jason Lockenfora
Yes.
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Tony Kornheiser
And people could say, well, why is he the general manager? He's a clown. And you go, well, hold on a second. Like, he may be a clown to you, but he actually did play football. He played football at the University of Arkansas, where his teammate and friend was Jimmy Johnson, who had a pretty good career. Jimmy Johnson, I think people would say that because he won three Super Bowls in the hall of Fame, you know, and Jerry Jones is at the middle of everything. And every day on espn, which pays my salary, so I'm not going to say anything bad about it, but every day somebody is talking about Jerry Jones and one of his players in the Cowboys, and it's endless. It's endless. It's, you know, will Dak get paid? All right, enough that got paid years and years. Will Dak get paid? Well, now Jerry Jones is in it with Michael Parsons, and it causes people to talk about it like we did yesterday on pti. But the most fascinating thing to me, and I'll shut up after I get through this, was the revelation in this back and forth with Jerry Jones from his son Steven, who says, yeah, Jerry doesn't speak with agents. What. What do you mean? You know, agents come to him. How do you do the contracts if you don't speak? No, no, Jerry doesn't speak with agents, which immediately made him my idol. Is that mean? You know, I wouldn't want to have to talk to agents either if I didn't have to. Tell us about Jerry Jones from the perspective of. From the outside looking in, but also the inside looking out. Because I'm sure you've been around them a lot. I'm sure you have feelings about him. And what about this notion, do you think that's possible, that doesn't talk to agents?
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Jason Lockenfora
Well, he talks to players. This has been a bone of contention in the union for, you know, I mean, decades, that Jerry, rather than deal with the people who they're paying a part of their salary, most of them. I mean, some guys do their own deals, but very few, vast majority, give someone some percentage of their earnings to handle situations like this. And Jerry likes to call them in his office, likes to butter them up, likes to pretend that their business partners likes. He's a great salesman, and so he prefers to do that and other people in his organization deal with the agents themselves. And sometimes those lines get crossed and there's mixed messages. You know, he. He will be an expert at making it so that, you know, to try to plant seeds of doubt, like with the player, like, is that agent really have your best interest in mind? I mean, this is a whole cottage industry, one of many cottage industries that, you know, Jerry Jones has sort of cultivated and. And made his own. And when you. To your point, when. When you wear the GM hat and you're the owner, and this isn't, you know, Jacksonville or, you know, some outpost, right. It's it's the, a signature franchise in the biggest sport in, in this country by far. Then there's a cachet and there's, there's just a whole lot that comes with that. I mean look, they're an unserious franchise in a lot of ways. And his spectacles and his showmanship is, has, has a level of P.T. barnum to it, sure. Becoming increasingly obvious. And he's in the business to your most sort of macro level point. He's in the business of keeping the hamster wheel spinning with Dallas Cowboys content. You know, he very much believes in the old, you know, it's all press is good press and people nitpicking him, people ripping his comments apart, the agent community stepping back after he does something like yesterday and you know, downloading it and telling people what they think of it so that there's this whole again cottage industry of Dallas Cowboys content. That's truly what I think he's come to believe more than anything else can continue to make his team as relevant and I guess to some degree captivating as they are. And so I agree with this surprise me about yesterday. Yesterday was completely pre planned. He knew exactly what he was doing. He takes the farm out to Oxnard. He flies everybody out to Oxnard every year, takes. And when he gets out there, he has some dog and pony show. Whatever the rumor du jour is, whatever the contract du jour is, even things like the way he handled his head coach's job security, it's all for him just sort of gristle. It's meat that he can flip and grill and saute and spin and he loves being at the grill. He loves being the guy tossing that meat around and, and deciding if it's going to be well done or burnt. But whatever it is like you're going to be talking about that meal for weeks and it's going to set the stage for the season and there's going to be palace intrigue about the Dallas Cowboys, even if on paper they're a fairly pedestrian team. And that's what he believes in and that's what he thinks helps make his money and help make them worth 12 billion or 15 billion or whatever they're worth and nothing's going to change. And to him, I think he actually enjoys that more than the season itself. I think he enjoys his interactions with the media, media more than a lot of the wins and losses.
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Tony Kornheiser
I agree with everything you've said. When people say, oh, he's not going to pay this guy or is not going to pay, he's going to pay these guys. He's actually going to pay them more than he has to pay them because he, he's. The walk up show lasts so long.
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Jason Lockenfora
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
And then he overpays people like you. There's not a list of people who have left the Cowboys that anybody cares about because if they're good, Jerry Jones is going to pay them. It's just going to be entertaining all the way up. Now, he is in his 80s, early 80s, I believe, and I'm wondering if, if you see any signs, because I don't, I don't see any signs yet, but do you see any signs that the way he's doing this has hurt his team? Has hurt his team? Because I think he's got the players he wants.
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Jason Lockenfora
Well, his inability to bring in someone with a higher level of football knowledge.
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Tony Kornheiser
It's not his inability. His refusal.
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Jason Lockenfora
Right.
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Nigel
He.
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Jason Lockenfora
He is diametrically opposed to that. Right. And that's not changing. And so you couple that with the star culture where the guys who he really gets down in the weeds with on their contracts. Right. And the contracts that take months and months and months to do, because in part, he wants to build the mystery and he wants to sell the intrigue. Like, then that gets complicated and it does get more personal than it should and less business. I think as he's gotten older, a filter that was always sort of iffy or nebulous is now almost nonexistent. So you start taking shots at injured guys, you start calling guys out before season started about, I shouldn't have given him a contract and I shouldn't have given him a contract.
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Tony Kornheiser
Right.
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Jason Lockenfora
You know, and, and, and you set the stage for what could become a pretty contentious holding with Michael Parsons. I would say. I don't know that any of that's good football sense. It might be good football business sense. It might be good for the bottom line of the Dallas Cowboys. Right. It might make the Dallas Cowboys so big that he can sell spin off shows about their cheerleaders to reality outlets and cash in on that too. Like, it can be good for him and that it allows him to push that star into parts of the media that aren't football related. But no, it doesn't help them. It doesn't. As a rookie head coach who probably never should have got the job anyway. Nothing he did yesterday made life easier for Brian Schottenheimer. In fact, he ratcheted up. He ratcheted up the degree of difficulties exponentially, you know, and to the nth degree and how people are Wondering how's he going to handle that locker room. He's not going to handle that locker room because it's not even players locker room. It's Jerry's locker room. And Jerry will stir the pot even when there's no reason to stir the pot just because he thinks it's good for business. And then he puts people in place who aren't equipped to handle egos of that size, who aren't equipped to handle drama of that size, personalities of that size. And he whips everybody into a frenzy before they even throw the balls on the football field. And then he wonders why the sideshow is more interesting than the product itself.
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Tony Kornheiser
I just picture him in that commercial screaming, the WI Fi is booming. You know, I mean, I just. I know he wants to win football games, but I think more than wanting to win football games, he wants the Dallas Cowboys to be so preeminent that there's not a second place. There's just. You can't. You can't see from the back of the Cowboys bus. You can't see the next bus. Right. That's what he wants. Can't see.
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Jason Lockenfora
Well, there hasn't been a Dallas Cowboys postseason signature moment that's had any positivity to it in decades. Right. Like, if you're going to think Dallas Cowboys like. Like signature seminal playoff moments of the last 20 some years, it's Romo not getting the snap down. Yeah, right.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
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Jason Lockenfora
And it's. It's Des. Was it a catch or wasn't in a catch? Neither of those, you know, were wrapped in glory for Dallas Cowboys fans. But, like, that's it. But we've got all these memories of the ridiculousness of the Zeke Elliott contract saga, and we've now got two Dak Prescott contract sagas that both were longer, more dragged out, and cost the team so much more in cap and cap. No reason than they ever had to.
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Tony Kornheiser
Right?
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Jason Lockenfora
Lamb drama, the way he handled Romo's injury and the eventual replacement of Dak, like, why he ran it back with the coach last year. You know what I mean? Why people like Dave Campo were coaching NFL teams. You know what I mean? And Barry Switzer, like, that's what we remember. We remember, you know, him and. And his lifelong body. We remember him too many soda pops at a league meeting and Jerry saying, I can do this without you. And blowing up a potential dynasty midstream over hubris and go. And silly personality clashes, the kinds of things that, again, he can't get enough of. So, I mean, I would not want to be a Dallas Cowboy fan. And frankly, I'm too sophisticated to be a Dallas Cowboy fan. I would have, you know, put an economic jihad on them years ago and stopped watching them and said, get back to me when the old man, you know, moves on.
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Tony Kornheiser
There's nobody like him in sports like there are, there are bumbling, incompetent, dopey owners like the kid who bought the Phoenix Suns, you know, or the guy who's running the Carolina Panthers, you know, but I'm. Jerry Jones has one stuff. That's a long time ago, but Jerry Jones has one stuff. Jerry Jones, you know, he's not. I don't think he's a fool. I don't think he's a fool.
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Jason Lockenfora
You know, he came from nothing. He's truly self made and he has that. I'm all that, that it's, it's a dying breed, right? But he has that old school American entrepreneurial spirit. The problem is he is a one of one. But he's gained so much fame and notoriety that there's all these loser Nepo babies who want to pretend they're Jerry Jones and want to act like Jerry Jones. He's. There's been this whole sort of like the larger than life owner who's going to take over this or take over that. And so many people see themselves Jerry Jones. I want to get reality shows and I want to be seen as a rock star like Jerry Jones. So they adopt, you know, part of these affectations he has, but there's, there's nothing real there. And they have, they're far more clueless than he is about what they're doing. Because again, to your earliest point, he has had, he had done some stuff in this league and he has played the game at a relatively high level and he's been around smart football people for a long time. But these newbies come in and they got it handed to him by daddy or granddaddy and they want to run it the way Jerry ran it. And so I think that's had a negative impact. I think that's part of the reason why so many of these franchises are aimless and rudderless and seem to only understand surface level stuff. And, and look, he has the way he's paid star cultures and the way he's, he's like the take on character guys and why he finds value there because he thinks he can, you know, put it, put it all together again and make these guys come to Jesus and see things his way. But really that's continued to also create a team where it really seems to be a group of individuals when stuff really matters. I think it's not a team.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
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Jason Lockenfora
Let's explain their playoff failures time and time and time again.
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Tony Kornheiser
I just think they're interesting. I think that he is, you know, he's bad and he's good. I mean, and I wouldn't say that about other people.
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Jason Lockenfora
All right.
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Tony Kornheiser
Thank you for that. Plug all your stuff. Got it. Plug your stuff.
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Jason Lockenfora
All right. You can read me in the Washington Post. No longer. With my buddy Dan Steinberg editing me. I will. I will miss that. But I am psyched for another season of writing a couple columns a week about the NFL in the Post. So that's starting up. You can catch me on two to six weekdays on 157 the Fan, which everybody in Washington can still get from Baltimore or on the Odyssey app or any of that stuff. But really every day, just get me a small bite. About 20, 25 minutes.
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Tony Kornheiser
So I have to tell you what.
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Jason Lockenfora
I'm wagering ON why Malmo FC from Sweden on the moneyline yesterday at plus 110 was a bet you had to make. They were giving you free money. Let's take it. I'm a one four one now. Women's Euros. We're on the WNBA. We're on the CFL. I jump on Saskatchewan minus eight and a half now pay the extra 20 cents to get it at eight and a half. That's what we do, Tone.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay?
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Jason Lockenfora
We keep score. And if you want to know how we're doing, we'll tell you every single day. And if you're betting with us, that want to bet with us, then you're making. You're making some money. So you can check that out on YouTube. You can check that out on my Twitter again at one event with us.
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Tony Kornheiser
Jason Lock and Fora boys and girls. We'll take a break. Gonna come back with Tim Kirchen. I'm Tony Kornheiser.
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Tony Kornheiser
You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. One more time we have Jake Hoffman. This is a song called Martyr. You can find Jake's music streaming in the normal spots. As an aside, Joel Cookson writes, if you or Michael find yourself in Connecticut and want to venture away from the Bristol area golf courses, I'd be happy to host you at my club, the Farms Country Club in Wallingford. Do you know that club, Michael?
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Michael Wilbon
I don't. Looking it up right now.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay, let's look it up. And while you're looking it up, you can also comment on the fact that if you were like Jake Hoffman doing independent music and want to be on this show, how would you basically do that?
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Michael Wilbon
Send us your music by emailing it to jinglesonycornizershow.com we still have Johnny O celebrating 20 years and TKB Day celebrating all month long. I know they have a sale going on so you can't double up, so to speak, but celebrate Tony's B Day all July.
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Tony Kornheiser
Fantastic. We have more to go in July. And this song plays in Martyr, plays in Tim Kirchen. And the last time you were on, I asked Buster only this, but I'm going to ask you the same thing. Because people were upset at what had happened in a Nats game. If I didn't ask you this then, I'm asking you this now, or might have asked you on pti, but in the not on the actual show. When a ball is thrown past the first baseman and it ends up in the netting, is it all you can get? When I was younger, if you had an overthrow like that that ended up in the stands, the runner was awarded second base. Has that changed ballpark by ballpark now?
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Nigel
I don't think so, Tony. Again, the netting is like it's part of the field now. In other words, you can't be necessarily saved by the netting. But the ball is overthrown at first base. The umpire should not have to decide, well, if the netting wasn't there, would it have gone into the stands. The netting is part of the field. Now, if the. If the ball goes in the netting, gets trapped in the netting, then it becomes a ground rule situation where if you can't get it out of the netting, then I should not be allowed to circle the bases. So that's my understanding. I'm not sure I've asked anybody about the netting, the big change, but it's like anything else. If a ball goes off the screen behind home plate, which has been there for 100 years and 25 years, it's in play. Netting is pretty much the same thing.
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Tony Kornheiser
Have we had this conversation?
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Nigel
Yeah, we had it before I did pto.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. Okay. We had it in the private part of the pto. We didn't do it on the show. We would never do it on the show. Right. That. Okay, that's what I remember. Okay, this is good. All right, Let. Let me go back to the real world of baseball. We continue to see Paul Skeens and Tarek Skubal at an extraordinarily high level. Extraordinarily high. Where are they in your mind relative to the other pitchers in baseball right now?
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Nigel
Well, they're the two best pitchers in baseball. That's, you know, Zach Wheeler. The Phillies is great. We have a lot of other great pitchers out there right now, but those are the two best, which made it great that they started the All Star Game.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
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Nigel
Tony, Tarek Skubel has the lowest walk per nine innings rate and the highest strikeout per nine innings rate this season in the major leagues. No pitcher has ever had the best strikeout rate and the best walk rate per nine innings in one season ever. Not Walter Johnson, not Sandy Koufax, not Pedro Martinez. That's what Tarek Skubal is doing, Tony. He's got 16 walks in 20 starts. It's ridiculous. He was. He was recently chasing more wins than walks. Think about that for a second. Brett Saberhagen did that in 1994. Shortened season. That's hard to do. And then there's Paul skeens, whose career ERA is under two and now 45 starts. It's absurd how good he is. And the common denominator is they're young, they're big, they're strong, they're wildly aggressive, they're incredibly competitive, and they have spectacular stuff. Both roll 100 miles an hour with secondary stuff. Skeens is the best pitcher that I've seen come into the major leagues for at least the first 40 starts ever since I've been covered 45 years. He's the best I've seen and these two are the best in the game.
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Tony Kornheiser
What is his future in Pittsburgh? Is it limited? Do you think he'll sign?
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Nigel
Well, I think it has to be limited because of the Pirate situation. But if the Pirates we keep talking about, are the Pirates going to trade Paul Skeens? Tony, as we know, Pirate fans are not very happy with the Pirates right now. You take a generational pitcher and you trade him for a bunch of young guys that no one's ever heard of. That is not going to fly in Pittsburgh. So he's not going to get traded. But if they're really interested in being a viable franchise, they have to sign him to the biggest contract any pitchers ever gotten and then build around him because anything else would be just crushing to that franchise.
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Tony Kornheiser
The Milwaukee brewers are a very hot team right now. They just lost once, but everybody's going to lose once. They've made up a lot of ground since the middle of May when they were under.500. They have been great. As you look at that team. And I asked this, you know, sort of as a proxy for Wilbon who's biting his fingernails about this. I mean, does that look sustainable with Milwaukee? Are they better than the Cubs? Wilbon wants the Cubs to be the best team, obviously. And they have eight head to head games which may tell the story. They're probably both going to make the playoffs. But in terms of winning that division, who do you like in that division?
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Nigel
Well, I still like the Cubs a little bit more because their offense and this you're a Tony where it's so hard to get a hit, it's so hard to score runs. The Cubs have a good offensive team. As having said that, the brewers, they're both going to the playoffs, Tony, because this is both sustainable. The brewers now have really good starting pitching. Brandon Woodruff came off the injured list. He's. But he used to be a number one starter. Since he came back from a major arm injury, he's got no walks and 23 strikeouts. That's really hard to do. Jacob Mizarowski throws 1022 miles an hour with a slider at 98. That is virtually unheard of. How good that guy can be. And Freddie Peralta made the all star team. They have three starting pitchers that can shut you down right now. They have a good defensive team and somehow they find enough ways to score runs. I don't know how they do it certain nights, but they do. They are making the playoffs. They, as of yesterday they had the best record in baseball. The Cubs are in for a dog fight, but they're both going to the playoffs.
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Tony Kornheiser
The teams that were in the World Series last year, both slumped. Yankees have had big slumps this year. Dodgers can't buy victories right now. Are. Are we worried about them?
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Nigel
I'm not worried about the Dodgers because they're going to get healthy with their starting rotation. They're going to get Freddie Freeman back. He hasn't been great and he's got hit in the wrist the other day. And they've had. They're going to get Max Muncie back when the whole team is healthy. They're still the best team in baseball for me and they have the luxury to use their resources and their money to go get whatever they need to fill in a gap. But I think on October 1st, they will be the best team in baseball. So I'm not particularly worried about the. The Dodgers. The Yankees are different. The Yankees can be pitched to, especially when Aaron Judge doesn't carry them on a nightly basis. Their starting pitching is short. They need a third baseman. And the Blue Jays are better than they are right now. And the Blue Jays are not a mirage. They're not just going to go away. But the American League is very good, Tony. The American League east is winnable. I still think the Yankees have a chance to win the division. But are they a really good team? They are not.
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Tony Kornheiser
Well, but you know there's going to be an American League team in the World Series. One way or another, it's actually going to happen. So, you know, they've got as good a chance as him. I have to ask you this. As you know, I watch the Nats all the time and they have, within the last few weeks they have started showing the box, which is, you know, the strike zone. And they show when a ball is in the box or not in the box on close calls. And it's very hard to be an umpire. I couldn't do it and I envy the people and respect the people who do it. But boy, oh boy, there are a lot of clean misses, Tim. Like it's not even touching a corner. They're out of the box completely that are called for strikes. What's next with this? So we, I guess we're going to go to full automation, right?
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Nigel
Eventually, yes. But let's get back quickly. Joe, I'm hopelessly defensive of umpires. You and even your son, who's a great athlete, wouldn't last five pitches behind home play right. In a major league game where you say, get me out of here, this is scary. It's dangerous. I don't want to do this. And it's really hard to do. You're trying to call a pitch that is thrown over 100 miles an hour, a lot of which have break to it that you can't even see, and you're in charge of calling that a ball or a strike. You're going to have some clean misses, but that's not good enough because the people at home watching the strike zone better than the umpire can. And he's standing right there. It's not fair to the umpire. So we're going to start with the challenge system, which we had in spring training and we had in the. In the All Star Game, where you tap your head like Turk Skubal did in the first innings, and that's a strike. And it was. Three or four calls were overturned. That's the next step. It could come as early as 20, 26, and then eventually we're going to have a full automated strike zone. I just warn everyone, be careful. When you put too much technology into the game, it may not work.
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Tony Kornheiser
No. And I don't want to get rid of umpires. And certainly you need umpires at home plate for other calls. I just. You look at the box and you say, wow, wow. But you're right. I could not. I couldn't do five pitches. I understand the Tampa Bay situation, why they're in a minor league stadium. I understand that they're going to go back to their stadium probably next year, I would assume. I'm not sure I understand the Athletics situation. I mean, I'm not. I still don't know. I know why they're not in Oakland. I mean, if they're buildings, I don't understand it. What is what. How does baseball feel about this?
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Nigel
Well, baseball has been trying to correct the Oakland situation for 20 years. But Selig told me this 20 years ago, as the commissioner, we have to do something about Tampa Bay. We have to do something about Oakland. And in the end, nothing was done. Now the Rays are going to play, I'm told, in their ballpark next year, and the sale of that team is going to happen, and everything's going to work out in time. Oakland. I don't understand how Oakland's ownership, John Fisher, could not have figured out a way to keep the team in Oakland. Now, I don't understand local politics in Oakland, but I don't think they were. That the A's were helped by the local politics in Oakland and either. But it is a shame that Oakland doesn't have a baseball team. Tony, go back and look at the history of baseball in Oakland. It is pretty rich. Yeah, there have been a lot of great players come through there and I think it's really sad that they're not still in Oakland. I think it's unacceptable that they're playing in a minor league ballpark even though they're doing the best they can there in Sacramento and they're going to get a brand new stadium in in Las Vegas. So all of that is good. But overall it's not good that there is not a team in Oakland.
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Tony Kornheiser
I agree with that. Okay, trade deadline coming up. Buying and selling, are there any, are there big names you expect to see traded?
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Nigel
I don't see enormous names. Eugenio Suarez is the biggest name that's going to move as a position player. He's got 35 homers. He just hit five in a three game span and he's a great clubhouse leader. He is a great presence on the team. He's a better third base than people think. He could go to the Mariners, the Cubs, the Yankees, the Mets. All sorts of teams need a good hitter, Tony, because it is so hard to get a hit these days. If you find someone who can hit the ball at the ballpark, you go get it. Question is, are the Diamondbacks, how many people are they going to move? They also have Zach Gallen, starting pitcher who could help a lot of teams. Merrill Kelly could help a lot of teams. And it's just a matter of how many teams are going to be bidding. For these guys. The price might be really high, but when you got to win, you got to win. And these guys can help contenders win.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's a busy time for you. Thank you for being on. Thank you, Tim.
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Nigel
Okay, Tony, see you.
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Tony Kornheiser
Tim Kirchen. Boys and girls. We will come back with email and jingle. I am Tony Kornheiser.
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Tony Kornheiser
This is the Tony Kornheiser Show. Tony Korniser Show. Playing all those instruments is Ian Warrington. He's really good. That's not even what he does for a living. He's an emergency room doctor. He's a graduate of medical school. And he plays all those things. It's pretty impressive. More impressive than anything I've done. Nigel, you want to do the Bethesda Bagel ad, please?
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Tim Kirchen
Yes. Bethesda Bagels. We love them. You will as well. Just go to bethesdabeagels.com for the location in the DC area nearest you, then pop one in and you'll be thrilled.
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Tony Kornheiser
And before we get to the mailbag, let me just say. Now Paul is a real estate novelist who never had time for a wife. And he's talking to Davey, who's still in the Navy and probably will be for life. And the waitress is practicing politics as the businessmen slowly get stoned. Yeah, they're sharing a drink they call loneliness, but it's better than drinking alone. That's Billy Joel in his most celebrated song, Piano Man. And the waitress is his wife, as you find out in the documentary, Waitress is his wife, Elizabeth. Thanks to our guests today, Jason Lockenfour and Tim Kirkjen. Thanks as well to today's sponsors. Remember, you can listen to us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and or to see if you get the show through Apple. Please leave us a review.
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Michael Wilbon
Big, Big Toaster News. As Camp dad continues, I'm taking the big boys out to the beach for a night or two. We've had some toaster issues out there. I'm sure you've noticed.
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Tony Kornheiser
Did you get the new.
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Michael Wilbon
I'm bringing the new Revolution Toaster out.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay, but then bring it back home. It was for you.
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Michael Wilbon
No, I want to make sure it's out there for all of us to enjoy.
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Tony Kornheiser
Oh, okay. All right. That's fine. That's great.
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Michael Wilbon
Gotta wait for the final countdown. Come on.
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Tony Kornheiser
From Don in Alexandria, Virginia. I just heard your reference to journalism this past Saturday. I thought you'd like to know that. Was winning a race. Yes, a Grade one stakes race. I thought you'd like to know that Maury Povich won a horse race at Saratoga just recently for the first time and will have several more horses entered throughout the summer. I did not know that. Good luck to Maury.
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Michael Wilbon
So Maury's got two out of the three. The restaurant, the horse.
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Tony Kornheiser
Right. Not the. He's got the airplane. He's got all three. He's got all three. Three things you should not invest in. Yeah, maury's got all three. John Goldblum. Dr. John Goldblum, who writes Tony and Gang, you have a great memory. This is Dr. Uncle John from the Cleveland Clinic, Morgan Pressel's uncle. I was just about to email you to plead to have her on again. But I don't have to. You beat me to it, man. She can talk with the best of them. Next challenge, get cousin Aaron Crickstein, my cousin and Morgan's uncle, to talk about the US Open and his famous match against Jimmy Connors that they showed for years during rain delays. Give my best to my Bruce brethren, Sansi. Tell him I'll see him in the pit at the next US Bruce concert. John Goldblum knows everybody. Erickstein knows everybody. Aaron Crickstein was a teenage. Since sensation couldn't beat Connor's own.
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Tim Kirchen
It's one of the legendary matches, but couldn't do it. Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Emory from Watertown, Massachusetts. When it comes to wound disinfectants, I am team. Hydrogen peroxide. Yeah, I don't have hydrogen peroxide in the house, and everybody should. And I should get that.
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Tim Kirchen
We do.
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Tony Kornheiser
We have hydrogen peroxide here. Yes. Well, I'd like to use it.
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Tim Kirchen
Yeah, yeah. I'll get some extra, but no, we've got some to clean some of the equipment for the.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's fine because I'm gonna put it on the dog bites.
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Tim Kirchen
Yes.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yes. Steve Gilmore. Well, it was two bites.
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Michael Wilbon
Okay.
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Tony Kornheiser
The dog bit me with two different teeth. Broke the skin. Yeah. Steve Gilmore. Not happy. San Angelo, Texas. When your fellow sea captain, Captain Quint, was fighting off Jaws in his last moments, do you think he told Chef Brody to bring the Neosporin? Hell, no. You know, he asked for a shot of whiskey and a gallon of iodine. Jordan Mason, St. Louis, Missouri. I realize that this show exists solely for a bald old man to rant about his daily misadventures, and I love them all dearly. I've listened forever and will continue. However, in light of your recent dog bite story, I felt compelled to share a perspective how things could have been worse. When I was 10 years old, I was attacked by a lion in a petting zoo. What? The worker let it out of its cage. It immediately charged me, leapt on me, and scratched and bit me multiple times. And this was not a full grown adult lion. So I still have all my limbs and no long lasting injuries. But not being an adult myself at the the time, I would still say it was very traumatic. The point to the story is that this lion had no vaccination records, which meant I got seven rabies shots over the course of two weeks. From what my doctor told me, it's the most painful shot you can get. I totally agree. And so they have to spread them out. Oh, and did I mention a friend of Mine got bit by a possum on the same trip. She had to get 14 shots. So please continue to rant about Neosporin and I will happily listen to every second. But just remember, it could have been worse.
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Tim Kirchen
Hope that zoo's been shut down.
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Michael Wilbon
I think it was run by Joe.
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Tony Kornheiser
Exotic David Epstein in New York, New York. You seem to have omitted the most important implementation of iodine I've ever witnessed. Assisting the creation of a bottle of scotch in the 1955 classic Mr. Roberts. Watching Henry Fonda, Jack Lemmon and William Powell start with a bottle of grain alcohol, add some coke for color, Red label, I recall. And yes, one drop of iodine for taste as well as some other assorted ingredients is a fabulous scene in a wonderful movie. It is a wonderful movie. I used to watch Mr. Roberts with my father every Oscar weekend. And while I knew iodine was one of the ship doctors medical supplies, I never thought it had any more significant use than replicating scotch. Greg Thomas in Cincinnati. I hope you don't mind one more take on the Neosporin debate. I was discussing this with my son in law over dinner a few nights ago when his father was there. He chimed in with what he said was the best thing to use on cuts, scrapes, etc. Turpentine. Yes, you read that right. He claims that the ingredients in it will kill any and all bacteria. He said he once used it on his four boys, all six same time. And my son in law confirmed that at one time he split his toe open and turpentine stopped the bleeding and there was no infection. I wonder if all the doctors out there have an opinion. Turpentine, doesn't that remove paint? Isn't that removing paint? Isn't that the strongest thing in the world? Turpentine? Put it on a cut.
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Tim Kirchen
I would not. Yes.
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Tony Kornheiser
Walter Coffey Anderson, California. If I need to disinfect a wound and I don't have any iodine, how much iodized salt should I use instead? From Dan Waltzman in Damascus, Maryland. Iodine? What's that anyhow? My wife gives Neosporin to my kids for breakfast. We have 20 or 30 bottles of that stuff. It's one item we will never run out of. Yeah, I feel I use it like mayonnaise. I do. I mean aquaphor for us it's all about I have Aquaphor, I've Aquaphor I think is better. Dr. Giblin said Aquaphor is better. Dave Rivers in Whitefish Bay, Wisconsin. Thanks to you, Tony and Tom Jones. Not that Tom Jones for the heads up on the Billy Joel documentary. As you were chatting about it, I realize I know that Billy Joel, in fact he sang to an intimate gathering of my friends and me and about 160 others in April of 1976. Where you say, could that have been? Well, of course it was DC's own fabulous cellar door, which closed in 1982. Perhaps that was before you had a chance to wander over there and write about it. For the Style section. Our David Aldrich moment came when my fraternity brother knocked over a beer bottle on our table in the balcony. Billy paused for a moment, looked up and said, hey, what's going on fellas? Priceless. If only I'd known what I know now, which is course to reply La Cheeserie From Jonathan shapansky in Beltsville, Maryland in 1990 during my junior year of high school at Calvert hall and All Boys Catholic High School in Towson, Maryland, we were studying poetry. During one of our lectures they said that popular music was an example of modern day poetry. Yes, I agree with that. One of the songs we talked about was Piano Man. During the lecture they played the song. By the end of the first verse, all 200 plus high school boys were swaying back and forth and singing along at the top of our out of tune lungs. A great moment with a great song and tell Chris to eat it. Brent Hobbs Linton, Indiana the Billy Joel discussion sent me back many years. I was just starting out on a long trip in my never reliable Mercury Bobcat. I remember that I loaded up my clothes and such and for entertainment I made sure I had cassette tapes, one being my favorite Billy Joel cassette. His music really calmed me down on long trips through major traffic areas. About one hour into my trip, I popped his cassette into the tape player and his music began to soothe the stress of the drive. That is, until the tape suddenly stopped playing. I ejected the tape and let out a scream of no. As the cassette player was eating my favorite cassette, a nightmare that many cassette owners know. I pulled over to the side of the road and tried my best to restore Billy, but to no avail. Thank goodness I had my Beach Boys cassette to de stress me on that strip on that trip. Gourvindar in Fremont, California for a song called Piano Man. The guy on the harmonica won't shut up. Paul Simon not that poor. So I'm in Atlanta, Georgia. Last week Mr. Sweeney of Ohio stated that I was the official divorce attorney for the show. I've always dubbed myself the show's unofficial divorce attorney for the Greater Atlanta area. Because A, it's not my show and B, who really wants an official divorce attorney? We need a ruling. While it would be the privilege of a lifetime to be made official and would suddenly appear in my online bio shortly thereafter, it is at your discretion. I'll respect the decision. It's fine. Yeah, it's totally fine. Please remind Baker Finley that he have. If he has not eaten it yet, he should Rob Rodatus in Lawrenceville, Georgia. One of my favorite parts of the Perfect podcast is when you say, before we get to the mailbag, let me just say and proceed to quote the opening of some classic tune last week you recited. When I look back on all the crap I learned in high school, how did you divine that this song would come to the forefront in Paul Simon's current tour? Wow, I didn't know that. Yeah, Kodachrome is one of the songs he can no longer sing comfortably. However, a fan in the audience in LA requested it. Paul begged off, but mockingly said he'd do it for $20. The fan handed him a 20. Paul did a brief version. What would have been a tribute to your show would if the fan had had a hundred dollar bill and Simon couldn't make change. Cue a young male stripper in the next row pulls out a fifth roll of various denominations as I got this. I'm a semi retired judge. Could I be the official senior judge of the show? Sure. I traveled to help out throughout the state and my motto is have gavel, will travel. That's wonderful. That's wonderful. Oh, Michael Granberry.
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Tim Kirchen
Yes.
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Tony Kornheiser
Should we read this?
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Tim Kirchen
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Scotty Scheffler is the talk of the golf world. But as a native of Dallas who fancies himself a Dallas historian, I am most intrigued with the school where Scotty earned his high school diploma. That would be Highland Park High School, the cornerstone of one of the region's most affluent neighborhoods. Isn't that where Clayton Kershaw went? Isn't that. Oh, should I read? Yes. Okay. As someone who grew up in a very different community in southeast Dallas, I'm amazed by the people who make up the alumni class of Highland Park High, which is, I might add, a public school. They include James Cronin, who won the Nobel Prize in physics in 1980, actresses Dorothy Malone and James Mansfield, and Angie Harmon and Doug Wright, a Tony Award winning playwright who doubled up all by also winning the Pulitzer Prize for his 2004 play I Am My Own Wife. Other notable graduates include Bob Jackson, who captured the Pulitzer Prize for the Dallas Times Herald for having taken the landmark photograph of Jack Ruby. Wow.
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Tim Kirchen
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Killing Lee Harvey Oswald. Everybody remembers the athletes. It is there that Scotty finds himself in a who's who of greatness. Highland park grads include Dodger pitcher. Yeah. Clayton Kershaw, who played center on the football team, hiking the ball to super bowl winning quarterback Matthew Stafford. On the baseball team, Kershaw was the pitcher. Stafford was the catcher. Chris Young, who was general manager, led the Texas Rangers to their first World Series championship start in baseball and basketball at Highland park before winning his first World Series ring as a pitcher with the Kansas City Royals. He was, at one point at Princeton, the athlete of the year in both sports. The Ivy League athlete of the year in both sports. But that one that always amazes me is how a Highland park backfield in the 1940s boasted quarterback Bobby Lane and running back Doak Walker, who later won the Heisman at smu. And today, of course, both are in the Pro Football hall of Fame. I love it that Scottie is one of the greatest athletes in the history of a school whose mascot is. What else? The Scots. So how's this for a poll? Among the Littles, which American high school has produced the most impressive alumni sports greatness? Well, I would start with Harvard, Westlake and Highland Park. Yeah, I mean, I think that's the list. Start with them. Todd McElwee in Hagerstown, Maryland. When Chris departs, I'm sure he'll be signing. I ain't gonna work on Tony's farm no more. Steve the Sycophant Time for an astronomical update. Dear Toby, as the Earth is moving faster this summer, thanks to the moon. Indeed, on July 22, that was already. The Earth will rotate 1.38 milliseconds faster. And on August 5, and even faster, 1.51 milliseconds. Why? Why, you ask? The Washington Post tells us the Moon isn't perfectly aligned with the Earth's equator. And every 18.6 years, it is at its most extreme position, as in 2024 and 2025. So come August 5, you have to move just a little faster to make up for that 1.51 milliseconds of lost time. It was much worse in the past. Over a billion years ago, even before UB Brown's birth, the Moon was so close to the Earth that our days were only 19 hours long. What?
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Tim Kirchen
Is that true?
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Tony Kornheiser
How could that be true? What? From Josh Cromwell in Moselle, Mississippi? How many more gnats losses will it take for your group text to fully transition from morose to gluck? Ian gluckion and Peter potke in southington, Connecticut, please finish your dog bite story. Did the dog bite you back? Did you bite the dog? No, I didn't bite the dog. No. No. I was attained. I was tending to the blood. If you're out on your bike tonight, everyone is always do wear white.
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Nigel
Can I raise a practical question at this point?
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Jason Lockenfora
No, we're gonna do stonehenge tomorrow?
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Tony Kornheiser
No.
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Jason Lockenfora
No, we're not gonna do st.
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G
Up on me. That's wild on the edge that's wild on the edge that's wild on the edge that's wild all the age don't you tell me that it's all my don't you tell me that it's out of my head I try to shake it off but she won't let me go Taking over me I'm not in control that's wild on the edge.
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Tony Kornheiser
That'S.
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G
Wild on the edge that's wild on the edge don't you tell me that it's all in my head don't you tell me that it's all of my.
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Tony Kornheiser
Sa.
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G
Hot hopes and namastes Tips from technology is automatic happiness for crystal loving hypocrites drag school kanye's the best but my mama told me God was nothing but a fairy tale A musing on a dog for sale I'm wearing out it you're every thought was true so stay away if you know what's good for you do you see your strings back lit they going to burn down with you so stay away if you know what's good for you that city too stepped on into hidden like a what's true to you if you know what's good for you if you know what's good for you. You asked about my day I feel like an open cassette tape drowning in the endlessness Drowning in the endlessness he sounds like bony be soft spoken tragedy with hell a lot of sound effects an anthem for the love regrets I'm a stay away if you know what's good for you do you see the strings battling? They going to burn down with you so stay away if you know what's good for you the city to step into you hit it like a.
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Tony Kornheiser
I.