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Tony Kornheiser
Hey, it's Tony. If you're hearing this, it means that Nigel has flushed the mouse and forgot to have me record something new. So who knows who our guests will be today? Maybe Mick Jagger, Sandy Koufax, Dalai Lama? Long hitter?
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Sally Jenkins
The Lamb?
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Tony Kornheiser
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Greg Garcia
Previously on the Tony Kornheiser Show.
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Tony Kornheiser
The most important baseball player in history is Babe Ruth. The greatest baseball player in history is Babe Ruth. Shohei Ohtani appears to me to be the greatest baseball player in my lifetime already. Or am I over? Am I overstating it? No, you're not overstating in fact, I
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Greg Garcia
push back and I think Ohtani is
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Sally Jenkins
the greatest baseball player ever.
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Tony Kornheiser
The Tony Kornheiser show is on now. Alrighty then. We are stuck in our second day in Washington, D.C. of the Marine layer, which is cold, damp weather, far colder than it should be. Like highs in the 60s that feel in the 40s. But they keep saying it'll be warm up today. It'll be 80 by the end of the day. So we'll see if it's 80. Greg Garcia is with us. He, he played the, is it the Capital Center? What do they call it now? The Capital One Arena?
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Greg Garcia
Capital One Arena.
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Tony Kornheiser
It's had, yeah. Center, yeah. It's had 12 names and they're always connected with either banks or telephone companies. A phone box, you know, and, and we will talk about that later, but we need to talk about other things first and in fact talk about things that, that are, that have nothing actually to do with Greg. So I'm curious about Greg's reaction to this. I mean, I'll just start with that basketball game last night. You live in Los Angeles, so I assume the Lakers are part of your daily life. I mean, you can't avoid them. They went to Oklahoma City last night and they lost by over 40 points. And you could say, well, Luka Doncic hurt his hamstring. That was in the third quarter. They were down by 30 when that happened. This to me was not a referendum. But this was a chance for people who support Luka Doncic to say, you see, he can go to Oklahoma City against a better team, a first place team, a championship team. He can beat them. He can hold his own. With Che Gilchis Alexander, that did not happen. How big a deal are the Lakers out there?
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Greg Garcia
You're asking the wrong guy. I'm just going to be honest to you. Right. I don't even, I don't follow NBA basketball. And, and I, I'm, I'm terrible for you right now in this moment because.
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Tony Kornheiser
Well, then we'll move on.
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Greg Garcia
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, obviously they're huge. Everybody loves the Lakers. I just, it's never been anything.
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Michael Wilbon
I follow across that question often. Open.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, we'll take that off. So when we do the real open where that won't be in the show, so you don't have to worry about that. Phil Mickelson has announced he's not going to play in the Masters. Tiger woods is not going to play in the Masters. This is Michael 1990, the first time since 1994. That's 32 years when one or both of them is not in the Masters, what does that say to you?
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Michael Wilbon
That the world has moved past them. And we've been waiting for this for the last 10 years. And you've had a couple of heir apparents as to whether it's Rory, whether it's Jordan Spieth, whether it's been Scotty Scheffler the last couple years, but you've always had the Masters as a safe landing spot to see one or both of those players. I mean, yeah, you think about tiger winning in 19. Even when they don't feel like they are in contention, Phil all of a sudden backdoors his way into a top two or three. So it's a place where the. The. The echoes of the past always are reverberating through the trees, and there is a chance. You look at someone like Freddie Couples who has aged into that honorary role where he's always a chance, and it's a place where you can always see those players. So I'm not surprised Phil's taken some time off throughout the winter. We just haven't seen it because it's on the other side of the world.
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Tony Kornheiser
Right.
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Michael Wilbon
And with Tigers, he has family health issues.
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Greg Garcia
That was going to be my question.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's obviously. I know the Tiger is.
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Greg Garcia
Well, I get that he's got to deal with some stuff, but.
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Michael Wilbon
But.
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Greg Garcia
But Phil, what. What's the reason he's not playing the.
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Tony Kornheiser
Family health.
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Michael Wilbon
Family health.
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Greg Garcia
Okay.
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Michael Wilbon
And there's been a history. You know, the. The one that has been shared was his wife years ago. So you don't exactly know what it
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Greg Garcia
is right now, but.
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Tony Kornheiser
But it's a big deal not to have them.
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Michael Wilbon
Not to have them.
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Tony Kornheiser
I mean, you know.
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Michael Wilbon
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Even as they age out, that's a big deal. Okay, good. So you're. You're better on that one.
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Greg Garcia
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that one I can contribute.
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Michael Wilbon
He knows Tiger.
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Greg Garcia
I know a few things about opioid. Opioids.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
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Greg Garcia
So, yeah, that one I can contribute.
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Tony Kornheiser
So now I have another question, and I don't know if I've dealt with this before on the air. I think maybe I have, but I'm not certain.
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Michael Wilbon
Chess's digestive issues.
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Tony Kornheiser
No, they still remain murky for all of us.
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Michael Wilbon
Timing of a full moon.
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Tony Kornheiser
You know, we missed it. You know, I knew we were going to miss it. We missed the first three days of the full moon. No. If you watch television for any length of time and you are in a type of television where they have commercials, not all television has commercials. But the type of television that has trim fire.
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Michael Wilbon
There is trim fire.
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Tony Kornheiser
What? No, I'm not talking about. I'm talking about the medicines.
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Michael Wilbon
Okay.
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Tony Kornheiser
I have noticed this in the last month or two. Almost all, if not all of the fast food places that I am aware of, whose names resonate with me over a long period of time are cutting prices and making a big deal about this. Talking about how they're cutting prices, bring
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Michael Wilbon
back the snack wrap, offering you deals
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Tony Kornheiser
they're happy to say. And for just 5.99 or something like that. Do you have any sense of that? Are these places going bankrupt or. I mean, this is. It is an a sea change every day.
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Greg Garcia
I do still have the Burger King card. Yeah, I haven't used it in quite some time and I also don't know if it works and I feel dumb trying to track somebody down over there to tell them you need it.
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Tony Kornheiser
I still have mine. I've never used. Oh, still my wallet. Yeah.
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Greg Garcia
You know, look, I think they're jumping all over the economy. Everybody's worried about economy and prices and that's always in the headline. So they're jumping on that. I also noticed that like it looks like the prices drop, but these things look very small.
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Tony Kornheiser
So maybe they're doing it that way.
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Michael Wilbon
Yeah.
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Greg Garcia
So you're like, I feel like they're very small.
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Michael Wilbon
You've had the shrinkflation in the grocery store. Now it's, you know, it looks like it's a better price, but it's the actual smaller product. There's always the viral videos of you order a size medium fry from one of these places and it's actually the exact same portion as the small if you weigh it out.
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Greg Garcia
But yeah, I also, I feel like there's also some, some kind of loopholes sometimes. I remember not long ago I went to McDonald's and I got one of the like value meals and it was like 5.99 or something. But then my bill was like 12 bucks and there was some kind of like, oh, you got the Dr. Pepper. That's, that's going to put it, you know, there's something. You got to be careful. It's like buying a car, I think a little.
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Tony Kornheiser
So you have to get exactly what
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Greg Garcia
you got to get what's advertised.
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Tony Kornheiser
Sort of. Doesn't it make you think, well, my gosh, if they are, if they're advertising 599, 7, whatever it is, you know, 3 for 9.99. What were they charging three months ago? How high had that?
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Michael Wilbon
Well, this is going back through when you had all the issues with, you know, deliveries and actual trade. When you think about stuff that got lost at sea for years and you think about the bottlenecks that happened through Covid and the prices, they went up astronomically. And people spoke by leaving. They didn't go in anymore. And this was particularly hitting a demographic that was relying on some of these fast food restaurants, you know, more than just the occasional, you know, once a month. This was. There were going there pretty frequently. So. But you now have the issue where you have to get them in the door and you have to try and get them to be repeat customers. So all these, you have to create an account, you have to have the app and if you have all those systems in place, then you're getting that real price versus if you just walk in off the shop or.
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Greg Garcia
And how much of this in some cases is a loss leader to get people back in there addicted to their unhealthy, terrible food again.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, you know, which, which tastes good.
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Greg Garcia
Oh, tastes fantastic. Oh, it tastes great.
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Michael Wilbon
This is not related to fast food. But you think about Costco or famously, they sell their rotisserie chickens for a loss or their hot dogs for a loss because they're really trying to get you to get the year subscription or the membership fee to get you through the door.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, yeah, okay. I was curious about that because it's, it's an assault. It's like every single thing. McDonald's, Burger King.
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Greg Garcia
Well, the other thing that is all
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Tony Kornheiser
these things that, you know, like the breakfast, you know, like Dunkin and Dunkin and the IHOP and stuff. Like everybody is telling you this is the right time to come in.
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Greg Garcia
Yeah, it's cheap.
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Michael Wilbon
So think about the term, you know, fast casual. You think about the Cavas and the Chipotle's where there's this middle ground where it's not necessarily a sit down restaurant, but you're getting a more premium product. Unless you're in, you know, rural Virginia.
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Tony Kornheiser
The one where you are.
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Michael Wilbon
Yeah, the Chipotle down there.
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Greg Garcia
Oh boy.
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Michael Wilbon
But for, you know, slightly elevated price, you feel like you're getting something that's a little bit fresher, a little bit healthier, that has more options.
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Tony Kornheiser
These are my. This is what I want to talk about. But now we talked to Greg. We talked about playing golf yesterday.
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Greg Garcia
Yeah, that was fun.
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Tony Kornheiser
We played golf. Michael and Greg and I and Nate Bargazi and Greg and Nate are performing. Performed last night and performing again tonight in Washington D.C. and we played golf. Colder than we thought.
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Greg Garcia
Yeah, I thought it was going to be why Showed up in shorts. I had to change.
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Michael Wilbon
So the two of you on the range huddled underneath hoods, you know, so winter caps.
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Tony Kornheiser
It felt like I asked Greg to do me a favor to play where I play from to move up. It's a much shorter course. Yeah, you kindly did that.
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Greg Garcia
Happily did it. In fact, I played it up big because when you had asked me and I said, are you kidding me? I'd love to play from up there. And so then when Nate came, I kind of played it by go. Hey, listen, Tony. Tony's getting up there in age, and he might get lost on the way to those gold tees, so I probably should, you know, stick with him. And I loved it. I loved it. What was funny is, I guess you got to be 70 to 70 to move up there, to officially move up there. So about five or six holes in the caddy looked at me. All he knows is the two of us are hitting from the goats. So he looks at me, he goes, man, you're hitting the ball pretty good. How old are you? And at that, I realized he thinks I'm 75 years old. I say, 75 years old. I'm not 70 years old. I'm just cheating. But it was great. It was a fun. It was fun to do that. I started to have a little trouble off the te towards the end, so it was nice to be closer. It would help.
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Tony Kornheiser
Nate chipped in on eight.
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Greg Garcia
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Taken from the sand.
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Greg Garcia
From the sand.
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Michael Wilbon
That was chesty, too. Like, one hop and spun it in.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's. That's a big deal. All right, so we need to talk about what you've done lately. Not so much the performance. Yeah, but you took a trip to Vietnam and Thailand.
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Greg Garcia
Yeah, I was there for, like, three and a half weeks.
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Tony Kornheiser
What were you thinking about what you would expect and what happened.
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Greg Garcia
I had no idea what to expect. It's been kind of on our list of things that my wife and I wanted to do and places we want to go. See, I've never been over in that area, and there's a company called Back Roads, and. And. And all of our friends had done it, and they just pretty much set up everything. And you. You go biking and hiking and different adventures, and you're there with, like, the. Vietnam was a big group of, like, 25, 26 people. Thailand was a smaller group. In Vietnam, it's a bunch of Americans in their 50s and 60s that are doing this. I called us, our group, Whiter Lotus, because we just looked like a bunch of White people walking around. But everybody was great. I enjoyed the social part of it, too. You'd eat dinner with different people and talk and everything. But Vietnam was. I liked them both. Vietnam. I'm glad I went. The people. That was my biggest takeaway. The people of Vietnam were so nice.
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Tony Kornheiser
So at my age.
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Greg Garcia
I know.
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Tony Kornheiser
At my age, because of the Vietnam War.
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Greg Garcia
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
It's almost unimaginable that Vietnam has become such a fabulous tourist attraction for Americans. And what you're saying now is. That's my obvious question. How do. How do they react to Americans once again in their country, but this time in a different manner?
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Greg Garcia
They are unbelievably welcoming and nice, and so, I mean, the cities, first of all, are bonkers. It's just crazy. I mean, the traffic, it's. It's. People probably seen videos if they haven't been there. The intersections, there's no lights. There's just mayhem. And when you cross the street, they go, you can't wait. You can't wait. You just have to go. And at first, you're terrified. You don't want to go. By the end of, you know, by six, seven days there, you just start walking out. And as long as you don't stop or deviate, everybody just goes around you. So you just walk into a sea of motorcycles and cars, and you make it across. But the people are super nice. When we were first there, we were riding on this, like, bike. A guy's driving us, and we're sitting in the seats on the bike, and everybody's walking by in the street, and this guy reaches over and just squeezes my nipple as we're walking by, and then just starts laughing. And then the guy driving the bike, he shows me his phone where he put in to translate. He said, the people of Vietnam love you very much. That's just so weird. So. So in the city, it was really wild, but everybody was nice. And then you get out, we're riding our bikes through, like, along the Mekong river and the Mekong Delta. And it's. I mean, the houses, they're not much for houses. You know, they tell me, oh, we don't have homeless at all here. And I'm like, what's your definition of a house? Because these are. I mean, they're very, very simple houses. But people seem to be very happy. They have simple lives. They farm a little bit in the morning, then they spend time with their friends and family and neighbors at night, and. And they seem very happy. My takeaway from Vietnam, other than how friendly the People were. It's. It's dirty. I mean, it's.
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Tony Kornheiser
The.
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Greg Garcia
The. The litter is out of control. I mean, it's just. It's. It's more like America in the 70s, I think of. They haven't had their give a hoot owl pollute thing yet, but. But it was very interesting. And then Thailand was a different experience altogether. I will say Vietnam. The food got a little tedious at the end of it. Like, really, I mean, after a point and you go on these bike rides and it's hot, and then they give you another bowl of fish soup and you're like, okay, a couple of times I found a Burger King. And I was very happy. But Thailand was different. You know, our first night in Thailand was Bangkok. And it's just this giant thriving city that's just amazing to look at. A lot more order with the streets and stuff, a lot cleaner. And we went to all kinds of places. We went to an elephant rescue place and stayed there. And you walk with the elephants and really help bathe them and stuff.
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Tony Kornheiser
Really?
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Greg Garcia
Yeah, it was super cool.
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Tony Kornheiser
I never even would have imagined.
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Greg Garcia
Yeah, yeah, it was. It was super cool. So. And the biking was. Was. Was great. And you just get out in the middle of nowhere and ride your bike all day and it was. It was great. I recommend it. And if anybody is interested, I recommend that company Backroads, because they just take care of everything. Once you get there, they take care of everything.
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Tony Kornheiser
So you. You give me the opportunity, if you talk about elephants, to talk about other large animals, including horses. And you are now the part owner of a horse or two.
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Greg Garcia
Yeah, one. One currently. And we're probably going to keep it that way. Yeah, I got. I got persuaded to. To be part owner in this thing. I own 8% of it. And after a year.
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Tony Kornheiser
Which eight?
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Greg Garcia
Well, we're going to find out, I think, because. Because after a year of getting texts like, he's hanging in there. It raced for the first time last week and it came out of that gate. I was so excited, Tony. I was watching online. I had my mint julep and my funny hat on, and my wife and one of my sons was watching with me. And the thing came out of the gate and then it pretty much stopped.
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Tony Kornheiser
I really didn't realize it had to keep going.
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Greg Garcia
I don't think. I think we got one that prefers not to race. It looked like it was trying to sit down. And so then the camera showing the whole group of the horses going. I keep looking for mine. I start rooting for it. To just come maybe in the opposite direction, going real fast. So at least I know it can run. We just got to point in the right way. So it never finished the race. Everybody wants to keep racing. Apparently, it's hurt, and that's going to cost something. I would like to retire it. I would like to just give it to a petting zoo and be done with it. But I only own 8% of it. And I told my wife, I said, if that thing doesn't come in first or second, pretty soon, I'm going down to Kentucky and I'm coming back with 8% of that.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's all. That's.
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Greg Garcia
And good luck to them. They can keep racing it. But it's gonna have two hooves and no lips.
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Tony Kornheiser
So I, I would imagine that there was tremendous excitement when the horse got to the gate.
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Greg Garcia
Oh, my gosh.
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Tony Kornheiser
Tremendous.
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Greg Garcia
I'm so excited. Finally. You've waited a year. This is it, man. We're going to the Kentucky Derby. This thing, everybody thinks that this thing's gonna blow the doors off of all these other horses. Just you wait and see. It was all worth waiting for. And then I saw it for about two seconds.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
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Greg Garcia
And then, and then. And it's that depressing thing of you. They show the finish line and all of them finish, and then the camera just sits there for a while, and then it just goes to the results, and you never see.
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Tony Kornheiser
Is there any sense that the horse is a conscientious objector and just does not want to actually race?
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Greg Garcia
Yeah, that's. That's what it seems like, which is fair. I wouldn't want to race if I was a horse either. But let's, let's.
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Tony Kornheiser
I don't know, bloodlines of the horse. Is there a famous sire or famous dam or anything like that?
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Greg Garcia
Mr. Ed, I think.
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Tony Kornheiser
Mr. Yeah.
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Greg Garcia
So maybe it could talk. I'm trying to get word to Rick Patino, who's also a co owner. Co owner. I don't know him. I've never met him. I did watch him lose to Duke on Friday. Last Friday. But I'd like to get word to him. Like, come on, man, what are we doing here? Let's. Let's cut bait. But we're all new horse owners, to be quite honest with you. We don't know what you're supposed to do in this situation.
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Sally Jenkins
Checks.
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Greg Garcia
Yeah, you just write checks. Until what?
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, that's.
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Sally Jenkins
Is.
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Tony Kornheiser
This is why financial advisors will tell you. One of the three things you don't ever do is get into the buying of horses because Everyone thinks, yes, Kentucky Derby. Everyone thinks, well, look, it happened with Jason Worth. Like, he gets involved in horses and then he wins a Kentucky Derby two years later.
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Greg Garcia
I mean, here was my thought on it. I wasn't thinking. I mean, look, I was. Look, it'd be great if it went to the Kentucky Derby. I was thinking, hey, we'll watch it, race a couple races. It'll be fun. I got this upfront. Cost maybe a little hay. We'll pay for some hay. I did not realize I was going to be locked in for this long with a horse that's hurt that we're like, what?
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Tony Kornheiser
I didn't pay for trainers and pay for vets.
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Greg Garcia
You pay for everything. And we named and we named our stables Tony Stables after you. So I got to write these checks to Tony Stables. So you're part of the losing team, whether you like it or not.
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Tony Kornheiser
I've always been. It's okay.
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Greg Garcia
What does it cost to put a hit out on a horse? Can you put a hit out on a horse?
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Tony Kornheiser
That's. I guess there's a guy from the Godfather still around. Cartoon.
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Greg Garcia
Yeah. I mean, I don't want to do that.
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Tony Kornheiser
But we will take a break. Are we coming back with Sally or are we coming back with Greg?
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Michael Wilbon
More Greg.
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Tony Kornheiser
More Greg. When we turn and talk to work now. Yeah, we're going to talk about Greg's performances and how that works. So we'll be back. I'm Tony Kornheiser.
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Sally Jenkins
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Greg Garcia
You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show.
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Tony Kornheiser
For my next trick, I'll need a volunteer. That's the name of the song. This is Rabbi Misha Ben David, the rock and roll rabbi from Austin, Texas, who has sent us a bunch of music over the years. These are some of his archived tracks, but he's got a new he said, I will soon reemerge and provide new songs to delight the sophisticated taste of the TK show, including an ode to bed sheet Golf.
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Michael Wilbon
He writes, yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Do you think that could catch on? Bedsheet Golf. That name.
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Michael Wilbon
Bedsheet Golf still Amazed they let you say it.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. Considering they own the product. Yes. I'm just always, always surprised.
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Michael Wilbon
Just checking the thread count.
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Tony Kornheiser
All right, plays in Greg again. So let's talk about in the middle of your life. And I don't think it was a midlife crisis or anything like that.
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Greg Garcia
Midlife a palooza.
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Tony Kornheiser
You had not. You had never performed before. You had written, you had directed, you had thought you had created with great success. And then you said what to yourself about performing?
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Greg Garcia
Well, I didn't say it. Bargettzi asked me if I wanted to host some shows in Europe last year. It'll be a year April 6, so a year this Monday. He asked me if I wanted to host a couple shows, and I said I would. And he was surprised that I answered so quickly, but I said, yeah, let's try it. You know, it was always something in the back of my mind I thought would be cool to do, but I just never had the guts.
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Tony Kornheiser
What does it mean to host the show as opposed to be on the bill? What does that mean?
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Greg Garcia
It's not that different. I mean, to host the show, you're the first person to go out there. You kind of welcome the crowd. You do about. When I did it in Europe, I did about five minutes of material, then I bring up the first comedian, then I do another five minutes of material, then I bring up the second comedian, and then I just pretty much introduce Nate. So you do about 10 minutes of material. When I host now, like, I just hosted in Vegas, and he just told me I'm hosting next week in Vegas at the Win. Then I go out, I do about 11 minutes, then I have the first. Next comedian come out. Then I do about two and a half minutes, and then Nate comes out in Vegas. So I actually do more material hosting most of the time than I do if I open up for him at one of these arenas. Because then we all just do eight minutes because there's so many of us, we just kind of get in and out quick.
- [23:20]
Tony Kornheiser
And so last night was not hosting. Last night was being a comedian.
- [23:24]
Greg Garcia
Yeah. He has a host for the arena shows that this guy named Julian McCullough, who's amazing, and he's the one that comes out first and really gets the crowd going. He's so good at it. I mean, to host in an arena, it's a whole different thing.
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Tony Kornheiser
Why?
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Greg Garcia
It's just so many people, and you're just trying to get everybody excited, and it's just a different animal, I think. And he does such a good job. So Then, yes, then I just come out and do eight minutes.
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Tony Kornheiser
So one of the givens is Nate Bargazzi is going to sell the place out.
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Greg Garcia
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
There are going to be many thousands of. You know that this is not a situation situation where there's going to be 300 people. No empty seats.
- [23:59]
Greg Garcia
No.
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Tony Kornheiser
This is a sellout deal. Does that change what you do?
- [24:04]
Greg Garcia
It doesn't change what I do. For the size of the crowd. I, you know, in. I've been doing like 14 minutes, so I certainly had to cut that down to eight minutes. And I had some new material that I wanted to do because I didn't want to do the exact same stuff I did in Baltimore in August, just in case some of the same people came, although a lot of the people are doing the same stuff. But. But I wanted to. I'd come up with some new stuff anyway that I like, so. And then I had to cut things down. And it's really a discipline that I'm lear learning. Like, there's like a joke that I do that gets a good laugh, and then I have two jokes after it in the same territory. And if I have more time, if I'm doing 14 minutes, 20 minutes, I can do all those. But last night, when I'm only doing eight minutes, it's just like, pick whatever the biggest laugh of these three are and just move on and move on.
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Tony Kornheiser
You can't.
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Greg Garcia
And then the fear is that you do it, because I don't do it all the time. You know, I'll have like months in between doing it. And that's what. What stand up comedy is, is just getting up there and doing reps and doing reps and you get more comfortable. And my fear last night, it didn't happen is that I just all of a sudden slip into a longer bit and then realize, oh, man, I'm going to go over eight minutes. I do have the safety net of I don't think I'm going to get fired. Nobody's going to come up there and drag me off. So there is some leeway, I think, but I want to try to stick to the. To the schedule.
- [25:18]
Tony Kornheiser
So you have created shows in your life, written shows, directed shows, all of that stuff, but they're on television. It's. There's not an audience.
- [25:27]
Greg Garcia
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
And now you are in front of an audience and as many as 20,000 people.
- [25:34]
Greg Garcia
Yeah, I think tonight is like 20 grand.
- [25:35]
Tony Kornheiser
What. What is that like?
- [25:37]
Greg Garcia
It's a thrill like no other because, you know, you create these shows and you hope that people like them. And you read. You can read reviews, you can read people writing online, but it's airing in people's homes. And you're just thinking, are they. Especially when it was out, you know, just on network TV and, you know, it would come on and Thursday night at 9 o' clock and you'd sit down and watch it and you just hope that people are enjoying it. You know, you just don't know. You don't get that immediate feedback. And I think the first time I got that feedback was at the Emmys when I made a couple of jokes at the Emmys and I was like, man, that was cool. You know, that was really cool. There's really nothing like it. It's such an absolute thrill.
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Tony Kornheiser
So I will tell you a story and I'm going to go back to 1984. My friend David was involved in the Olympics in Los Angeles, and the Olympics were a great hit in 1984. They're going back in two years to Los Angeles again, the great hit. And the guy who ran the thing was named Peter Ueberoff. And Peter uber off, I think later may have become the commissioner of baseball or something like that for a while. And Peter Ueberoff was in his maybe 40s at the time. And on the last night of the Olympics, and I was at the last night of the Olympics when they have the fireworks and this, that and the other thing, and they introduce some people so that everybody knows who ran the Olympics. This is at the LA Coliseum that holds 100,000 people. And the next day, David says to me, you get applause from 100,000 people. This will never happen again in your life. It's unfortunate. Unbelievable. It's unbelievable. And that's what I'm asking you about, because, okay, 100,000 is a hundred thousand, but 20,000 people is. Is unlike anything you have ever experienced.
- [27:24]
Greg Garcia
It's crazy. And. And it is. It is amazing. I had trouble going to sleep last night because you get the adrenaline going. And that's the one thing too, that, like, I think I want to keep trying to work on. Is. Is not. Is. Is talking like myself up there and make sure I don't get into, like, any kind of, like, presentational rhythm and stuff like that. And I think I'm getting.
- [27:42]
Tony Kornheiser
What does that mean?
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Greg Garcia
Well, it's just like if you kind of start saying things the same way. Oh, okay. And. And there's a rhythm.
- [27:48]
Tony Kornheiser
You do it by rote. You don't want.
- [27:49]
Greg Garcia
Yeah, exactly. And you don't want to do that. And I think that I'M getting better at that. Although it takes practice to. To get better at that. And. And then the adrenaline kicks in, and you worry like, oh, did I steer into that? A little bit. And I'm looking forward to going up tonight because I think I'll be less. I don't know. I wouldn't say nervous, but I'll be more comfortable tonight because I just did it last night. And you get comfortable having to. Because you got in a circle. It's in the round.
- [28:13]
Tony Kornheiser
You can't. You can't be stationary, right? No.
- [28:15]
Greg Garcia
And normally when I perform, I just stand there, like most people do.
- [28:18]
Tony Kornheiser
But at a stage, at the improv, it's.
- [28:20]
Greg Garcia
Yeah, you just stand there, but this is in the round, so you kind of have to be conscious of walking around in a circle. It's a whole different thing you got to do. And so. But that came pretty natural last night, so I'm not worried about it tonight. And there's a whole different level of being at Capital One, because this is my hometown, and this is why I'm doing it, too. I don't normally open for him at arenas. He's got people better than me that do that, but he's very gracious to let me do that in Baltimore and now in D.C. and so it's just a special thrill. I've been into the. I've been in that arena many, many times.
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Tony Kornheiser
Watching.
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Greg Garcia
Yeah, watching. I was there last Friday watching St. John and Dukes, and I'm sitting there with my nephew, and I'm looking at center court going, oh, boy. I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be down.
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Tony Kornheiser
So that's where it is. It's center court.
- [29:03]
Greg Garcia
Yeah. You're just right in the middle. It's just.
- [29:05]
Tony Kornheiser
So you talk about moving around. Why don't you tell the people a story about being on a cruise and having to move around?
- [29:10]
Greg Garcia
Yeah, so we went to the cruise. We went. He did a comedy cruise over the super bowl, and so he did a bunch of comedy shows, so I got to open up for some people there. And the first night, it was Rocky. I mean, it was waves. Yeah. People were getting sick. And so we're on stage. We have to do these shows, and it's a struggle.
- [29:27]
Tony Kornheiser
You're the reason they're there.
- [29:29]
Greg Garcia
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
They broke passage.
- [29:30]
Greg Garcia
And. And for some reason, I was the first comedian to go on stage. I said, who planned this? I said, I'm the first one for some reason. And so I go out there, and it is Rocky. And you're struggling, kind of. I said, you know, I've been doing stand up for less than a year, and I've always taken the standing part for granted. But, yeah, tonight it's pretty. It's pretty tough. And there was one comedian who almost fell down. He kind of just shuffled off stage when we hit, like, a big wave and said, oh, I guess that's it, folks. And he kind of disappeared. But then he came back. That was a struggle, but it was actually something else to keep your mind on, too. So that's probably. In some ways, for me, it's good.
- [30:06]
Tony Kornheiser
So we played golf yesterday, and afterwards we had something to eat. And during that period of time, Nate was talking about the show in which he said. And this was so interesting to me, he said, we encourage the people. There are giant screens in arenas.
- [30:22]
Greg Garcia
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
And his visage is projected onto the screen, which happens in rock and roll concerts all the time. And he said, we encourage people to watch the screens. And I didn't say anything at the time, but I mean, to me, that seemed a little bit weird. Then. Then it became like a theatre. Like you're at a theater, you know, I mean, a movie theater. Because you're not watching the guy. Yeah, you're watching the guy projected. How do you feel about that?
- [30:49]
Greg Garcia
Well, you know, look, if you're down on the floor, you can't see the screen. So you're getting the intimate. More.
- [30:54]
Tony Kornheiser
Right.
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Greg Garcia
As much of a club experience as you can get in an arena. You're just looking at the guy, but you're talking about a giant room. And a lot of times, you know, you want to see the person's face. You want to see their expression. They may be doing the. I. There's a guy named Greg Warren who does this bit that's very small, and it's very. It's the whole point of it. It's. It's a very small thing. And you got to see his face, so you need to look up on that screen if you really want to laugh. And Nate brings his own screen. So Capital One has screens, but he brings even bigger screens. And so you really can see it. And there's four cameras in the corners. And you kind of have to learn from being on stage. Where are those cameras? Because if you do. I have certain bits that I want to. I want to land and make sure I'm right there so people can see my face. So you kind of trying to time it out so you're like, oh, boy, I'm here. The bits coming out. I should stay here, or, oh, I'm in the middle of this, I got to get over to this camera. It doesn't matter which one, but I want to get over to one of them for this one particular.
- [31:54]
Tony Kornheiser
So this leads to an obvious question, which is that your, your brain, when you're on stage, when you're performing, your brain is not 100% on the things that you're saying. It's also considering the direction you have to go. There's a. The other functions are going on.
- [32:11]
Greg Garcia
Yeah, you get better at that. I think when I first started to do it, all I thought about was what I'm saying in this particular moment. Because you're so fixated on the words have to be perfect. And then you start to learn the words don't have to be perfect, that you can move around a little bit if you need to. If you say a word in a different order, it doesn't matter as long as you're getting to the joke. But in the beginning, you're just like, I've memorized this. It has to be perfect. And so then when you mess up, you panic a little bit. Or you could forget where you're going next because you're so in the moment now. I've gotten to a place where I can kind of be saying it, but I can also be thinking about what's next. And you can also use those laugh moments to kind of reset and take a pause and be like, okay, this is where I'm going next. Especially if I've cut stuff out that I have to remind myself, okay, this is where we're going to next.
- [33:01]
Tony Kornheiser
So I suspect. And Nate Vargozzi is a great comedian. He's the most popular comedian in the. Maybe in the world at the moment.
- [33:07]
Greg Garcia
In the world.
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Tony Kornheiser
He's a great performer. But I, I suspect that everyone who looks at him thinks this is just so natural. It flows so easily. He doesn't have to do anything but say these words. And everything he does comes out. It just so great. And I don't think they realize the preparation.
- [33:24]
Greg Garcia
Oh, yeah. And the stuff, you know, before. Yeah, he thinks about it nonstop. He gets off stage. Every time he gets off stage, we all sit around and talk about his set and he'll be like, can you
- [33:36]
Tony Kornheiser
be clinical about it?
- [33:37]
Greg Garcia
Oh, so clinical. I mean, he is a. He is a student and a master of stand up comedy. So he will break down everything. Well, I did this. This felt weird tonight. Why did this feel weird tonight? And somebody go, well, because I think you flipped that order. Oh, I did. No, that's right. I Got to do it like this. Why didn't I get that applause at that? One thing I usually say that sets up this big joke. Oh, because we thought you didn't lean into this hard enough. You're right. You're right. Okay, I'm going to do that. Like, he's constantly working on it and changing, trying different things. And what I always marvel at is sometimes we'll be talking before the show and he's about to just walk up there and he'll go, yeah, I might try something about this tonight. And I'm like, okay, I'm thinking, what did you not plant? Like, I would have to, like a mental patient say it a million times in my hotel room in the mirror. And I'll be like, I'm going to try something like this tonight. And he'll go up there and try it and look, sometimes it'll work and sometimes it won't work, but he'll be like, ah, you know, it didn't work great, but I think maybe next time I'll try. This is because he's working out material in an arena. Like, that's where he's going up and trying things.
- [34:37]
Tony Kornheiser
But there's crazy. But there's another part of it, and that is that people want him to succeed and they want to laugh and they're there because they like him personally. So he has, you know, greater flexibility to do whatever he wants to do.
- [34:51]
Greg Garcia
Yeah. And I think he likes to, like, when he's in a new city, he likes to go up there and do, like, some. Some local stuff. And so he was even telling us on the golf course something he was thinking about doing it. He went up there last night, and I wasn't. Wasn't. I was talking to somebody, so I didn't. I don't know, 100. But I think it did fine. I don't think it did amazing. And then at one point, he just goes, all right, that's all the Maryland stuff I got. Let's get going here. You know, and then he jumps into his act. So there is some goodwill to be like, you know, if he's just kind of messing around up there for a second, you know, there's going to be killer material coming up.
- [35:22]
Tony Kornheiser
Now, I'll also say that. And Michael, you. I'm. He's a good golfer, and you play with him because, you know, you have the same length and. And the ability to play golf courses. He's a delight to play with. He's not at all. There is no star turn. There's nothing like that he just wants to get out there and hit the golf ball. And. And didn't you sense that that's what he likes? He likes golf. Loves it, you know, Loves it.
- [35:48]
Greg Garcia
And it's kind of. I think that's kind of his escape as well. He obviously has a ton of stuff going on. I mean, he's got this movie coming out, he's in arenas, he's building a theme park, he's got a game show on abc. He's got a million things going on. But I think when he can get out there on a golf course and one where you need to put your phone away, I think it's just a huge mental escape for him, which is great.
- [36:15]
Michael Wilbon
But you can see the wheels are always turning and there's a level of, what does this foursome want me to be? Or what do they need me to be? And we're a pretty relaxed group. But you can see by the time we get to 18, we've sort of been making jokes about Greg playing the forward tees, and he's just able to deliver a moment of, well, I think we're gonna have to move Tony back, but Greg, you might have to stay up there.
- [36:33]
Tony Kornheiser
Well, the thing about it also is that he is playing with people who are not awed by his celebrity.
- [36:40]
Greg Garcia
Yes. And I think that's very comforting to him. If anything, he's a sports guy. If anything, he's odd with your celebrity, which is, I think, a more rare thing for him than normal. And so I think he's super excited to be there with you.
- [36:54]
Tony Kornheiser
It's very nice. It's great fun. I mean, honestly, it's great fun. But then you. There is that. I had a couple of people come up to me yesterday at the golf course. Cg, That's Nate Bargazi, I guess. I mean, it's not. It's not something that ever registers with me.
- [37:11]
Greg Garcia
Well, that's the funny thing about him too, is, like, even though he's the biggest selling comedian in the world, I get two responses. When I. When I talk about him to people. Either I've never heard of him, and then sometimes I show a picture, they go, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or they lose their minds, you know, and it's. That's just. I think that's just a sign of how many things distract us out there these days and how many options there are to watch things. But. But yeah, people get a kick out of him. And his fans are great. The fans are great. They're all very nice.
- [37:39]
Tony Kornheiser
All right, we will Take a break. Yes. And Sally Jenkins, when we return, and we'll talk about something happening in sports. The final four is in the women's and the men's. I'm Tony Kornheiser. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show.
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Sally Jenkins
The Tony Kornheiser show
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Tony Kornheiser
once again, this is rabbi Misha Ben David from Austin, Texas. This is a song called tell Shona. And he writes, shauna does exist, but this is also not true. Just a reflection of loss, grief, and accumulated bric. A braca attached to a cool girl's name. Shauna is a cool name. I have to say. Shauna is a cool name. Michael. If people like the rabbi Misha Ben David want to send in their original music, how do they do it?
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Michael Wilbon
Send us your music by emailing it to jingles@tonyquezershow.com and with it being April, we have a new promo code with our friends at Johnny O. Go check it out. TK Bloom in celebration of the masters.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's lovely.
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Michael Wilbon
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
You know, Greg is wearing. He's got all sorts of Johnny O. All sorts of Johnny O. I do.
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Greg Garcia
I love it.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, it's good. All right. Plays in Sally Jenkins. And Sally is as. And the last few times that Sally has been on the show, she. She is working at the Atlantic at this point and loving it. Right. You love what you do.
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Sally Jenkins
I do.
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Tony Kornheiser
Right. How often do you write?
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Sally Jenkins
I write, you know, every couple of weeks.
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Tony Kornheiser
Is it better than being programmed to write two or three a week on a newspaper? Different.
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Sally Jenkins
Better.
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Tony Kornheiser
It is.
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Sally Jenkins
You know what's better? I'll tell you what's better about it is, first of all, every time you finish and it gets in the paper, it goes up online, you always feel like, if I'd had a little more time, I could have made that. I could have made that better. And you don't feel that at the Atlantic because you know that it's been edited about as well as it can be, and you've had plenty of time to fiddle with it, and it's. You know, you can get it where you want it.
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Rabbi Misha Ben David
It.
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Sally Jenkins
And that's. That's a nice feeling. That's a fun feel.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's different than a newspaper. I mean, you know.
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Sally Jenkins
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
I mean, a newspaper's got to come out in the morning. It's got to work. Yeah.
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Sally Jenkins
Yeah. You know how it was, Tony? It's like trying to hit a waste paper basket with some. With a wad of paper from an indy car going 250 miles an hour.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yes. I Haven't heard that before. I like it. All right, let's talk about the tournament. Men's tournament, women's tournament. Start with the men's tournament and spend much time on that. It was a tournament. I felt that wasn't much of a tournament until Duke Yukon. What did you think of Duke Yukon? What are your takeaways from that?
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Sally Jenkins
Well, I start with Duke, St. John's which was, that was a great game, too. That game came down to the last 10 seconds. That east Regional was, you know, hall of Fame coaches, you know, playing, you know, high speed chess. Great players, different roster styles, the way they were built. You know, St. John's is all transfers and Duke was all freshmen. It was, it was a great East Regional. It was one of the best.
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Tony Kornheiser
They also had Michigan State and Kansas. I mean. Yes. Yeah, this was, this was the killer regional. And if you see, if you see Duke number one overall, I was surprised you put him in with so many great teams. I was surprised. So.
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Sally Jenkins
Yeah, and, and, and it got, you know, it got him. I mean, yeah, Duke, Duke was. Everybody's going to talk about the big choke and losing a 19 point lead and getting knocked out by that, that shot by Braylon Mullins. But, you know, what really killed him was not really having a healthy Caleb Foster.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yes.
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Sally Jenkins
That's when you got to have your experience. Greatest ball handler on the floor. Right. And they, and it just, you know, Foster was injured and it just, it finally got them some.
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Tony Kornheiser
So many things had to happen for UConn to win that game. So many different things. When you watch something like that, I think if you're a sports fan, you understand this is one of the great things you've ever watched. Right. I mean, it transforms the tournament. It is the talking point, I assume the talking point of the entire tournament.
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Sally Jenkins
Yes, I think. Absolutely. It's the talking point of, of Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon show. And that makes it, you know, that, that makes it the national conversation. Absolutely. And it's. The thing is, it's one of those moments that, you know, is going to be replayed every year. You know, it's going to be in the highlight package every year of what March Madness can be. You know, it's, it's just, it's like the Laitner shot. It's like the Christian Laetner shot. Yes.
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Tony Kornheiser
That was the first thing I thought of was the Laitner shot, because I had been at that game that was in Philadelphia, and I thought about that and this was. And there have been others. Look the kid from Villanova won the national championship on essentially a last second shot. And I don't think of it in the same way that I think of the Leitner shot because of how the Leitner shot is replayed every single year 53 times and this one will be as well. What surprised me most of all, I guess, and I've talked about this, was the best shooter on the team, Alex Caribbean, best shooter on Connecticut, passed up the shot and threw it out, threw it out to Mullins. Either you have great faith in Mullins or you say to yourself, this is not my time. Right. I mean, what else is it?
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Sally Jenkins
Right, Right. I mean, he just, he had an instinct, you know, is what he said after the game. He, he wasn't, you know, he wasn't feeling it and he had an instinct and there was Mullin, Mullins. But I think that Mullins might be secretly the best. Look, they, they all raved after the game. I think they knew Mullins might be their actual best shooter on the team. Now can, you know the freshman is going to do it under pressure? No. But after seeing that guy hit, hit shots like that in practice all the
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Tony Kornheiser
time, it's a, clearly, it's a sad moment for Kaden Boozer. I mean, he makes a mistake, he is supposed to hold the ball, you're supposed to wait to get fouled. It is a sad moment for him. But it happens and the shot happens. And in a lot of ways it humanizes the teams and the sports and the sport rather. I mean, I think you have so much emotion invested in both those teams at that point. And it's different from just a, you know, another Final Four game or another final game or another Final Eight game, don't you think?
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Rabbi Misha Ben David
Thing?
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Sally Jenkins
Yeah. I mean, what that had, it had like you say it had the combination because it had, I mean, there's also been, there's been iconic shots like late, you know, or iconic mistake. That sequence falls, you get both there, you get one of the all time bad mistakes in the tournament, you know, and a guy who will go down having, as he said, you know, I cost my team the season.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
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Sally Jenkins
And to have those folded into sort of the same, same sequence and same moment, that was pretty extraordinary.
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Tony Kornheiser
So the week before North Carolina said goodbye to Hubert Davis, coach they'd had for five years more than just a coach they'd had for five years a guy who went to the school, who was on their basketball team and who everybody believes is a wonderful human being. And they made the decision after a 19 point loss to VCU in a similar kind of circumstance that they would part company. John Schier appears to be a wonderful coach. He is a great recruiter. He appears to embody everything that Duke could ever want. But the last four losses that he has had have been comeback losses of more than double digits. And in each case, either Duke folded or they were overtaken. Does this land on him?
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Sally Jenkins
I think to a certain extent, but I think it lands on his roster building philosophy, which is he's going with freshmen. Yeah, you know, that's. Duke has made the decision we're going to recruit the highest freshman talent in the country, and we're going to coach him up and put him out there. And I think you have to. I think you have to put it on that as much as on the individual. I don't think there's nothing wrong in John Shire's coaching that caused that. You know, he's not. He's not making bonehead decisions, right?
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Tony Kornheiser
That's right.
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Sally Jenkins
He's a terrific sideline coach, and everybody knows it. He's a masterful strategist, and everybody knows it. I mean, there's games he's won. I mean, he went to a matchup zone, you know, against Siena when they were in danger of being knocked out in the first round, and it kind of altered everything. I mean, he's great at this. He's great at this job. And I don't think that there's a narrative brewing that says, oh, John Scheier's not the coach we thought he was.
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Tony Kornheiser
Good. Everybody likes him at Duke. I mean, all my friends who go to Duke or went to Duke or have kids in Duke, they all like him. The UNC job, Sally, is that the big prize out there? It has not been. It has not been awarded yet. Which does make you think that they might be looking at coaches who are still involved in this season. Is that the big prize?
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Sally Jenkins
Yeah. Well, aren't they trying to poach the Arizona guy, Tommy Lloyd, Maybe. That's where. That's the rumor. I mean, yeah, it's a big prize. I don't know. Here's the thing. It. The. The prizes are no longer the prizes necessarily. Right. It's sort of. It's about who's got nil money and who's got the best facilities and who's got, you know, first class. Who. Who's chartering, who's got the charter jet. You know, it's. Things are changing because of the nil economy and a lot of the things that the coaches were talking about. In the last week in their press conferences was just that the fact that the old brands no longer quite have their shine because so many other factors are important in recruiting now. You can't be Duke or North Carolina and just say, come take our job or come take our scholarship and think that the brand of the school is going to win out. You have to have, you know, real hardware behind it, because kids are not sentimental anymore about that stuff.
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Tony Kornheiser
No, they're going with the money is the opportunity and the money. And most of the kids that you're recruiting on the big time programs think of themselves as future pros within a year. Who do you like in the tournament? Who's on your bracket, who you like?
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Sally Jenkins
I like UConn.
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Tony Kornheiser
Really.
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Sally Jenkins
I like UConn at this point because they're the most experienced team at winning a championship right now. I mean, you've got Danny Hurley, who's been there before and won two titles, and now you've got rosters that are built with guys who've been together for a year. And UConn has been more of a hybrid. He's got some guys who've actually played together for more than a year. And I think that could end up being a difference maker. I think it was a difference maker against Duke.
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Tony Kornheiser
So I sort of think that the winner of the, of the UConn Illinois game is going to win because I think what's going to happen with Michigan and Arizona is that game is going to exhaust both teams and hurt that team in the finals. You like that theory?
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Sally Jenkins
I do. I also like. I'm curious because Charles Barkley keeps saying that Arizona is the best team or the most talented team in the tournament. And I'll be anxious to sort of see if he's right about that. But, you know, it's, it's, it's interesting now, too, because there's all these different. Used to have schools with different cultures. Now you have schools with different philosophies of roster build. So, like, you're going against teams that are nicknamed, you know, the Balkan block. Yeah, right. Because. Because they have so many international players. You know, things like that. That's going to be interesting to see. Illinois is a very, very, very different team because of that. They're internationally built in some ways.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, they look like a pro squad. I mean. Yeah, they do. What about the women? Yeah, who do you like in the women?
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Sally Jenkins
I, I mean, you have to go with UConn too, at this point, but watch out for Texas. I think that Texas defense under Vic Schaefer is an absolute monster. And if anybody could disrupt UConn at this point of the. Of the tournament, it would be Texas's defense.
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Tony Kornheiser
I need to ask you this because you were very close with Pat Summitt. Very close. She was a good pal of yours. And she's prior to Gino Oriemma, the greatest coach in women's college basketball. You know, there's not a second she's it. When you look at what Auriemma is doing and has done at Connecticut, do you. Do you make a comparison between him and Pat Summitt at all?
- [50:34]
Sally Jenkins
Sure, sure. I mean, they did a lot of things. They taught the same thing. They. They taught it. You know, Gino teaches the game from the outside in, and Pat taught it from the inside out. Now, one of the reasons their matchups were so great, because they were sort of coming. It was a bit like Chris Everett and Martina Navratilova. It was a contrast in styles. You know, I, you know, I do think that I'm not sure he'd have 13 be going for his 13th national championship. If Pat was around, she might have poached another couple titles from him before she was done, if she'd stayed healthy. You know, she was a very young woman. She was only 64 when she died. And I don't. What is Gino 70?
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Tony Kornheiser
He's 73, I think.
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Sally Jenkins
Yeah, I think is those 71. You know, there's of a lot coaches are coaching well into their 70s. I think that Pat had the energy before she got sick of doing that kind of thing. And she loved it that much. You know, she. She was never going to be anybody's burnout. She was going to go the distance.
- [51:36]
Tony Kornheiser
They're all kids to me, Sal. They're all kids to me. All kids to me. Thanks for being on. We'll talk. Thank you, Sally.
- [51:43]
Sally Jenkins
Thanks, guys.
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Tony Kornheiser
Sally Jenkins of the Atlantic is just wonderful. We will take a break. We will come back with email and jingle. I am Tony Kornhouse.
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Greg Garcia
You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show.
- [52:05]
Tony Kornheiser
Here comes Tony mail bag.
- [52:11]
Greg Garcia
Email, faxes and notes.
- [52:18]
Tony Kornheiser
Here comes Tony Mayo bag. He's gonna read some for all of you folks.
- [52:29]
Greg Garcia
He's gonna read some for all of you folks.
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Tony Kornheiser
A great thanks to Pat Baz for that. Makes me happy every time I hear it. Michael, you want to do the Bethesda bagel ad?
- [52:40]
Michael Wilbon
Big day for me at Bethesda Baby Bagel. Not famous, but known bagels were ready for me. As I walked in, I found barking what a great way to start the day.
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Tony Kornheiser
Greg gets to take one home.
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Greg Garcia
Oh, I can't wait.
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Michael Wilbon
He deserves it. Yes, Bethesda Bagels. A lot of locations. Go check out one that's near you. You'll have a. You'll have a very good experience, just like I did.
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Tony Kornheiser
Before we get to the mailbag, let me just say. The screen door slams. Mary's dress sways like a vision. She dances across the porch as the radio plays Roy Orbison singing for the Lonely. Hey, that's me. And I want you on Only don't turn me home again. I just can't face myself alone again. That is Bruce Springsteen. When he performs, if you watch him, he doesn't have to sing that song. The entire audience sings that song.
- [53:19]
Greg Garcia
Do you feel ripped off if you come?
- [53:21]
Tony Kornheiser
No, I mean, it's just he's. He's able to stand there because everybody knows.
- [53:25]
Michael Wilbon
Watch the screen.
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Tony Kornheiser
Every lyric. Every lyric.
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Greg Garcia
By the way.
- [53:28]
Tony Kornheiser
Yes. Watch the screen. On a rock and roll.
- [53:29]
Greg Garcia
I have to say one thing. I buried the lead from last night. Night I met Jason Lock and Fora and his wife after the show. Yes, they came to the show. He did not have a sweatshirt for me. He had left it in the car, unfortunately. But I met him.
- [53:44]
Michael Wilbon
We will get you that sweatshirt.
- [53:45]
Greg Garcia
Yes. And he's a fantastic guy. We had a great time talking.
- [53:48]
Tony Kornheiser
That's wonderful. That's wonderful. Thanks to our guest today, Greg Garcia, who you just heard from Sally Jenkins. Thanks as well to today's sponsors. Remember, you can listen to us on Apple, podcast, Spotify and ought to see if catch show through Apple. Please leave us a review from Jody Schmuck, who writes, I was lucky enough to see the Nate Borgozzi show last night with the woman I'm related to by marriage. Got to see Greg, too. I resisted the urge to yell the cheesery at the top of my lungs, but I definitely heard some in the arena. Anyway, your boy did great. Greg did great. Although I really thought he'd shout out Phil's mom. But he didn't. And Nate was very funny as usual. I looked for you but didn't see any orange bald men in my section. Overall, as a second fight, funniest thing I've seen at that arena this year. We went to a Wizards game last month. He writes, tell Greg you might soon break even if he keeps this up. Hope Jesse is feeling better. Still holding it down at the Post, longing for the old days. Be well, my friend. That's very nice. Works at the Post. From Aaron Hagen or Hagan in Hawley, Minnesota. My bracket is Uglier than a Wannabet sweatshirt. From Rick Devins, the official survivor of the Tony Cornhe show. I survived in nut week and made the merge. Mr. Tony in Survivor the merge is when. You know what, don't worry about it. Just trust me when I say it's a good thing. Thanks for the ongoing support from you, the gang and my fellow Littles. It means the world.
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Michael Wilbon
My sister very impressed when I showed her this email.
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Greg Garcia
Oh cool. And Rick Devin should know that I played the the his email for my son that that when he was walking around looking for a Garcia my son got such a kick out of it. He sent it to all his survivor friends and they thought it was very cool.
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Tony Kornheiser
Survivor. Was your son with?
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Greg Garcia
Yeah, he worked there for two years but not with. Not anymore. Now he works for the LA Kings but but he did work there for a while and and he still knows all the people and we're in our house. We're rooting for Rick Devin so hopefully he keeps going.
- [55:29]
Tony Kornheiser
From Joe Rizzo, mon capitan. Regarding survivors, Rick Devins has any little transition to a big at this point, shouldn't Rick leave us Littles on the beach? And I've been waiting for Devins to drop a flush the mouse reference. P.S. although part partly cloudy, I watched the pink moon on a Jersey shore beach last night. It was awesome. Missed it here from Gary Bailey who writes a captain my captain. A loyal listener for years, but I'm only 77. Here's the answer to your full moon question. The exact time can be early morning like 12:30 in the morning, afternoon like 2:15pm or evening like 9:00pm the date is just the day it happens, not the time. For example, if the full moon occurs at 2:15pm on April 1, it's called the April 1 full moon. Even though you wouldn't see it until it's peak at night. You wouldn't see it at peak. From Chris Kroll in Princeton, New Jersey, home of the fat lady sub. Ask Michael. Do you know. Do you know what that is?
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Rabbi Misha Ben David
Maybe.
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Michael Wilbon
Yeah, maybe at Hoagie Haven.
- [56:26]
Sally Jenkins
I'm trying.
- [56:26]
Tony Kornheiser
I don't know. How is Buster Olney segment not sponsored by a potato chip company? Come on man, what are we even doing?
- [56:32]
Michael Wilbon
I think Gary Edel would have with that and my dad's chip.
- [56:35]
Tony Kornheiser
Yes, that's our chip of course. Tim Cree from Fort Collins, Colorado. Tillamook is bogo here in Fort Collins as well. Just FYI. Got my wife the Oregon dark cherry and also mudslide. She was happy. From Gary Van Geesen the biggest reference to Chaucer in A Wider Shade of Pale is the line as the Miller told his tale. If that ain't a Chaucer reference, what is it? I'm an English major. That's a Chaucer song. Let's not have revisionist history here. That's a Chaucer song from Cal Patel, PGA Tour Producer It's Cal Patel from PGA Tour Radio. Just a suggestion to pass along to Tony for his dog Jesse. Tell him to get flagile from the vet. Our dog Athena always had stomach issues, and we finally got her on flagel. It helped out big time. Anytime she got diarrhea, we gave her a pill, and the next day her poop was back to being solid. We're five days in now. Not solid yet. Not the worst, but 5 11.
- [57:27]
Greg Garcia
Have you tried a value meal?
- [57:28]
Tony Kornheiser
We have not yet. Think that'll make her solid? I hope so. Chip Robinson, Mount Pleasant, South Carolina. During Wednesday show open, you said you played 14 holes of golf. I believe that's called the Tennessee round. They never play the Final Four in Knoxville. That's funny. That's a rip. And it's sort of funny. Neil. Neil Airvae sprouted in a bag harvested from Safeway shelves. Bumper crop. It's his shot at a haiku like Share Dad Chris Gatley Imagine my surprise when I go into the Seattle Google kitchens and see a tray of my dad's chips on display. Finally got to try them and wow, a thin kettle cook. Just what the doctor of Humane Letters ordered. So there you go. That's a great try.
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Michael Wilbon
The jalapeno Sriracha.
- [58:09]
Tony Kornheiser
Those are wonderful. My dad's chips. And the salt and balsamic vinegar on the picture. Scott Moffitt, Richmond, Virginia the Fred Meyer on Northern Lights Boulevard. I know that Fred Meyer. That was my grocery store when I lived in Alaska. It was the 511 of grocery stores in Anchorage. Not the fancy Fred Meyer and Abbott Road, but better than the now closed Cars Grocery store on Gamble Street.
- [58:31]
Michael Wilbon
That captures the spirit of the show.
- [58:33]
Tony Kornheiser
Yes, yes.
- [58:34]
Michael Wilbon
Break down to your grocery stores.
- [58:35]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. From Charlie Burt's UConn coach Danny Hurley claims he thought the ref from Sunday's game, quote, wanted to chest bump. The coach then demonstrated his jovial comforts of tackling NCAA commissioners Charlie Baker capturing the NBA commissioner Adam Silver in a headlock and then did a pile driver with Mother Teresa. Not everybody likes him as much as I do.
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Greg Garcia
Dan Hurley.
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Tony Kornheiser
I like him. From Ben in Port Waimimi, I have a master story. It was 2003 a week before I caddied for Zach Johnson on the nationwide now Korn Ferry Tour to a T3 in the first T at Arkansas Classic, only to lose the bag. But that's a story for another day. I left a buddy's couch in Atlanta at three in the morning, ticketless in hopes of attending that day's practice round. Around five, I pulled off the Carl Sanders highway number 20 in Grovetown, about a half hour from the Augusta National Golf Club to both fill up and empty my tanks. While at the urinal, the man next to me asked if I needed tickets and subsequently sold me one at a reasonable markup. I was over the moon. As I gathered with patrons awaiting the gates to open. I can still hear the sweet symphony of electronic ticket takers beep beep beep beep growing louder as I was about to enter the hallowed grounds I had dreamed of for decade decades, then be bond. It was an affront to the ears, my elbow grabbed by a police officer, my tickets stolen. I was crushed as I sat across from a police detective explaining myself. Eventually I was released. The walk of shame against the tide of excited patrons still stings, however. After hastily fashioning an I need a miracle cardboard sign and wandering the lineup of cars waiting to park, a group of angels sold me their extra for face value. The rest of the day was a dream. Pure magic. I'm hopeful these kind people are littles that they hear this and know I am forever grateful. Le Pimento Cheeserie to all. Isn't that nice? And it says you and Michael have a standing invitation to join me around. Join me for a round at Soul park golf club. And one more Jerry Jacobson Jr. From the Blake School in Hopkins, Minnesota. I also feel the tanking is a huge problem in the NBA. Along with load management. I think I can offer an interesting suggestion. The league needs to incentivize winning for every team that does not make the playoffs or the play in game. Put them in an end of season lottery tournament. It would be considered a tournament where it is the best of three series. Win the tournament, win the lottery. Point differential could be used to rank the draft order after the first two spots. They could even play three four fifth place games based off the tournament broadcast. Enjoy the show longtime fan. Keep up the good work. Thank you very much. If you're out on your bike tank everyone as always, do wear well.
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Sally Jenkins
Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday, Saturday.
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Rabbi Misha Ben David
For my next trick I'll need a volunteer. I stood in the shadows. She stepped into the light. I didn't have the nerves to ask but she was hoping that I might I made the mistake of thinking she'd stay under my thumb I held on for the heartache I knew it was about to come I was all about magic I always, always had another trick but not a one under the sun could make that poor girl stick so I pull rabbits out of hats Turn lead into gold but she's long gone and I'm stuck here Getting bitter Getting
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Sally Jenkins
old
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Rabbi Misha Ben David
for my next trick I'll need a volunteer the girl I love has stepped off stage and I'm left standing here she grew tired of my routine and that's exactly what I fear so for my next trick I'll need a volunteer so many shows and stages they run together in my mind I left her there in Houston and looking back I find there's always one more lover Someone else to hold me near so for my next trick I'll need a
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Greg Garcia
volunteer
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Rabbi Misha Ben David
for my next trick I need a volunteer the girl I love I stepped off stage and I'm left standing here. She grew tired of my routine and that's exactly what I fear for my next trip I'll need a bottle of tear for my next drink I need a volunteer. Tell Shawna that I happen by today I pushed your paper under her door. Tell Shawna that the rain fell all night long and that's why I walked up seven floors. Tell Shawna that I brought some of her clothes sure you. You can pass them along. Tell Shawna that I've thought a lot about it and I figured out where I went wrong. Tell Shauna that I understand she's mad and there's nothing I can do to change her mind. Tell Shauna that I'm living in a daze and I miss. Miss her cozy suppers her comments about people her endless interruptions Tell Shauna I was here. Tell Shawna that the ledge outside her window there's just no place for conversation. But I'd listen if that's the only place she'd see me I know there's no reasonable explanation. Tell Shawna I see she wasn't playing a game she could have called but my phone, it never rang. Tell Shauna that my thoughtless introspection well, it ended with With a bang, A big bang. Tell Sha that I called and told her mother and I made all the arrangements yesterday. Tell sh. That there's lots of people coming and each and everyone says they just don't understand she was always so happy she made fun of my resentment impersonating Gracie but. Tell Shauna I was here. Tell Shauna that I was here. Tell Shauna I was here. I was here. I was here. I was here.