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Hey, it's Tony. On today's show, we will talk to Jason Samanow about what's next for the Capitol Weather gang. We'll also talk to Pat40 about the latest twist in the Brendan Sorsby saga. And we will preview the U.S. open with Steve Sands. But first, commerce. Previously on the Tony Kornheiser Show. It's lovely to talk to you. You don't have to ever worry that this is video. We're never video. I'm never video.
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Never.
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I got a big stain on my
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shirt anyway from lunch.
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So it's a good thing that, you know, I'm just sitting here in my easy chair. So what the heck is going on? Tell me. I miss you. Don't throw, don't blow me off here. There's no time limit on this thing, right?
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Unless you're going to bed.
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Well, it's almost bedtime for me. It's, you know, a little bit after seven in the East. I'm not staying up. The Tony Kornheiser show is on now. Complete delight to have Al on Just the best. Complete delight. The week before to have Marv on. Complete delight. Just a delight.
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Summer shows.
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Yeah. Summer shows, right?
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Yes.
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Right.
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All right, so we're good. We're guest loaded today. We're going to start after we, after we talk to our first guest. Then I'll do the traditional open. But I'm, you know, now we're going to talk to Jason Salmonell who is, you know, the power behind the Capitol Weather Gang, who are now not the Capital Weather Gang and they are something else. Jason, why don't you explain to me what the Capital Weather Gang is doing and becoming sure.
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So thanks for having me and it's a pleasure to be on your show as always. Yeah.
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So we're excited.
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We've entered a new chapter and we have started our own New Local D.C. area Media Weather company called Capitol Weather, kind of returning to our roots. And I don't know how many of your listeners know this, but before we were part of the Post, we were an independent website from 2004 to 2008. That's how we got our start. And we're going back to those independent routes and we're you can find us@capitalweather.com and we're doing all the same that we've done historically, but we're doing even more now. You know, they're more interactive opportunities for our readers, more ways to have direct access to us. And of course, we're providing the vital forecast and updates that people Rely on. And we're trying to be as accessible to everyone as we can.
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Were you unhappy with the Washington Post or was it something else?
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No, I mean, we were fine. I mean, the Post has supported us over the years and, you know, we feel fortunate to have been able to, you know, have the 18 year run we did there. We worked with a lot of great people, a lot of, you know, tremendously talented journalists, and we had strong support there through the years. I think, you know, we were just at a point where we wanted to grow and expand what we were doing. And
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who do we. Did we lose you? Are you there? We lost Jason.
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Hold on.
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So call him back. That wouldn't be good to lose Jason. He provides the best weather service in the world. We just lost him.
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Oh.
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So Michael is showing me Capital Weather now, and it's a picture of the Lincoln Memorial and it says, D.C. area forecast warmer today, hot tomorrow as storm chances return. And then it's, then it says, we've launched. Oh, this. So they have their own website. So. And what are you pointing to? 90 degree days, year to date, 13 average is 6.
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So we're over.
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We have Jason back. Jason's back. We lost you. Okay, so. So you wanted to go and return to your own roots. And Michael just showed me Capital Weather on his computer. How will we access you now? What do we do? Because you were the one of the main reasons, if not the main reason I subscribed to the Washington Post after, you know, the guy tubed the sports section in the Metro section. I don't like that.
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So, yeah, so yeah, you just have to go to capitalweather.com and you can access our website. And then we also. This is new and this is one of the reasons we wanted to become our own company. We launched our own app. And so you can download our app by going to the, you know, the app stores for Android or Apple and just look up Capital Weather and you'll find us. And so when you're on the go, you can access all of our content that way. So, you know, whether you prefer to consume over the web or over an app, we're there.
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Okay. Are there levels of service? Is there a charge to, to access this?
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Yeah, so of course we provide our basic forecast information and our updates for free, as well as a lot of sort of evergreen explainer articles about weather and when there's breaking weather news, that's all going to be free. And you can also sign up to get our daily forecast email newsletter, so that arrives in your inbox each morning at 5 o' clock in the morning. But yeah, we do have some subscriber tiers, friends tier, which is, you know, 75 bucks a year. And then that gives you access to more of our features and tools, some of our long range outlooks and then the opportunity to directly interact with us through some live chats and also get our insider weekly newsletter which is more of our insights into what's going on and some of the value added analysis.
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What is your sense of this so far? You know, I mean, we are all accustomed to getting the weather in the same spot for free. They're on television or in newspapers or radio. Everybody is accustomed to that. Has there, have people responded well to this?
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Yeah, absolutely. The response has been overwhelmingly positive. I mean, people are happy we're out on our own and the support has been great. Some people are supporting us, you know, by signing up for our paid subscription and then other people are, are just signing up for the free service. And you know, obviously we have advertising and yeah, we have ways of, you know, monetizing the, our newsletters and things like that. So. But the subscriber support has been really great and a lot of people just want to support independent journalism and independent meteorology.
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Will you hire more people?
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Right now? We're staying the same. You know, the whole core group came with me, which I'm, you know, really happy about. And you know, we've all been together for a long time and so, you know, we may add a person or two down the road depending on the areas of need, but we got to make this work financially for us right now. So that's the main goal initially and obviously, you know, serving the community as best as we can and you know, providing people with the information they need and engaging and entertaining people, doing all that good stuff. That's what our priority is right now.
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You guys are great. I mean, you guys are great. You carved out a whole niche for yourselves that everybody I know pays attention to. So we wish you all the luck in the world and then we'll call you when there's bad weather. We'll do that.
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Yeah, we're looking forward to, you know, talking to you as always. It's a blast. And I really appreciate your support and obviously your listeners support. It means a lot and thank you so much.
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And Jason, I know you talked about all the different tiers of support. Is there a Cornheiser level that you get a direct hotline to the weather center at any hour of the day? Somebody calls me right back within 30 seconds.
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Second that's great.
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Yeah. You can text or call anytime, Tony.
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Of course.
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Thank you, Jason. Good luck.
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Absolutely.
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Thanks, boys and girls. So we have a little bit of time to do the actual Open. Now, the biggest news in sports. And look, I'm not going to pretend to be something I'm not in soccer. I don't know anything about soccer, but Lionel Messi, who's going to be 39 years old this coming week, had three goals last night.
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Is that good?
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It seems like it's good because he now is tied for the most World cup goals in the history of the World cup with 16. One more puts him out there by himself. And I bring this up because Wilbourne has never liked Messi and only grudgingly concedes that Messi is great now that he's won a World Cup. Wilbon said, if you don't win a World Cup, Shut up. Even though he loves Ronaldo, who has never won a World Cup. Because it's not. You don't just go out and win the World Cup. Your country may not be good enough compared to other countries. You may be the best player in the world on a club level, but your country may not have enough great players around you. And he loves Mbappe. He did this yesterday. How great Mbappe was. Mbappe had one goal yesterday. Two goals yesterday. Two goals. Yeah. How many did Messi have? He had three goals. That's one more than Mbappe. And he's going to be 39 years old, so that makes me happy. A couple of things also happened yesterday. Michael went to the game. Yeah, Michael went to the Royals against the Nats. The Nats won the game Special. Yeah, the Nats won the game. That is Tuesdays is $5 night at Nats Stadium.
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Oh, wow.
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Yeah.
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You texted me that. My. My apple wallet was well over that number by the end of the evening.
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But. But a hot dog is $5, beer is $5, popcorn is $5. That's a great thing, right?
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Yeah.
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Is that. What is it? Well, that's a great thing. Not if normally it's $3.
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Fair point.
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Then it's not that great.
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One of the more pleasant nights you will ever have for a baseball game. And just sitting there with the boys, you go, whether it's a college game, you know, earlier in the season, whether it's, you know, aaa, anything, get out there and go to a summer baseball game. And it's just a blast.
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So I was texting with Coco during the game.
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Of course, we got to see him before the game, so.
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Yeah. And you Got to see Matt Cattaro, who left you the tickets. And I'm sure they were right above the dugout.
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It's amazing. You were emailing and then texting a major league manager before a game. I mean, this is hours before you want to respect the time. But he, he went out of his way to make sure our boys could go on the field. Uniforms got dirty.
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That's so nice. I mean, you know, to be out on a major league field is a big deal. Yes. They're old enough to remember that.
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We sort of show up as the Nats were leaving their on field batting practice and we got to see Lane Thomas take. And so he ended up on the Royals. And I hold up the people watching
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On News Channel 8 My Lane Thomas bobblehead.
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And then you get to see later in the game, he ends up having a home run. And the entire Royals offense seem to go through Lane Thomas getting a walk.
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And then Bobby Wit moving over who's the best player?
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Seemed to have two strikes of him and he got a single.
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No, he's the best player on the field. You know, he's, you know, so I'm sorry, you know, I'm sorry that the Royals lost. I hope the Royals leave here and win the rest of their games. Yes. But, you know, I do end up.
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They got the Cards at home and then I think they go to Tampa.
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Yeah. So. And did. Did Coco. What was Coco's call on the home run?
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Oh, so this was great. He had a call for Keurz Meet a couple weeks back.
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He's an Aussie.
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Yes. See you later. And we got to see. We're like, we really wanted to use that for the show, but the Nats ended up losing that game. And later we, you know, we had to leave early because the boys have, you know, one more day of school. But we get the home run and we get a repeat of the call.
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See you later, mate.
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That's so good. So good.
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The best is I text him just with the call and it capitalizes the call because I've clearly texted that title before because it's a Backstreet Boy song.
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Oh, is that right? Oh, so that's wonderful. And they won, so we're happy about that. And they continued to score a bunch of runs and. And their bullpen continued to be shaky, you know, so. But they won, which is good. And I my day yesterday, as people know who pay attention to this show. I can't get out of the sand on a golf course. I stink. I stink generally. But I'm really bad in the sand. I take three and four shots in the sand. Drives me crazy. Michael tried to help me the other day, and Michael was of some help, but I went over to Columbia, and I picked up my clubs. I just took the sand wedge because there's a practice area. There's a sand practice area between the 15th fairway and the first green. And there's, you know, you go in there, you go into the sand.
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Yeah.
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And you take some golf balls, and you try to get out of the sand. Most of the time, I hit it into the lip of the bunker, and it rolls back to my feet. So at least I don't have to move very far to hit it again. But the head pro, Steve Delmar, helped me. I went to him. So I go into the shop, and Alex is there, and I go, could you help me with the Sanchez? He says, no, I got to be in the shop. I'm the only guy in the shop. And then he points to Del Mar's office. He goes, ask him. I go, oh, no. There's no ask him. So I go in to Steve, and I say, could you help? And he said, sure, I'll be happy to. Let me put my stuff on. And so he came out with me, and first thing he said was he looked at my sand wedge, and he said, it has too much bounce. I don't really know what that means. Can you explain it?
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It literally will just help it bounce through the sand or skid through the sand versus dig. Some wedges have a. You know, you have the front leading edge that'll dig.
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So this is what I have to get a new sand wedge. Not. Not. I didn't get it yesterday, but we ordered a sandwich. I'll get the entire update, because what,
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8 degrees of bounce we're moving into.
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Yeah. So what Steve wants me to do is high toe. You pick the club up straight up in the air like it's on a hinge, and then you smash it into the sand. You dig into the sand. And I sort of look at him. He said, no, you don't hit the ball. You hit the sand, and the ball will come out, you know? But I say, but I hit the ball. He goes, I know. I don't. I don't want it. Just practice hitting the sand. And I did that closer to the ball, banged it in sand. He said, keep the club neutral. Don't lean it one way or another. Keep it neutral, and then start banging the sand. Now, I'm not gonna say it was a revolution, but when I did it right. It came out perfectly. It made me very happy. Sometimes I hit the ball. He said the tendency, my tendency and a lot of people's tendency is to try to hit the ball and lift the ball out of the sand. Says that's disastrous. Right. You don't wanna do that. Totally hit the sand. So I'm gonna go over there again today for like 15, 20 minutes and do it on my own. But I was really grateful to continue this thread.
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One thing that you can also do is when you're in that Bunker, turn yourself 45, 90 degrees to the left. Because sometimes you just need to work on practicing without the visuals of the big slope in front of you. So if you are playing where you're hitting to an even spot outside of the bunker, you're gonna be able to work on your technique in a way that just gets rid of some of that mental block.
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I would just like to.
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Because according to the pro, you have some demons to work through.
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I would just like to be able to get out of the sand 75% of the time. Sure.
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You know, step one, as I say to everyone, I work with them, step one, get out, get on the green. Yeah, you can get it to 20ft. You can two, butt from there most of the time.
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Yeah.
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So. But I was really. That was really good. That was a good day. Yeah.
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That was on the pro shop. Got a sale out of this.
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Yeah. Yeah. A wedge. Yeah. So I'm happy. Happy about.
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Little do they know you've been stockpiling credit for years.
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Well, I do have a lot of credit. We could have had more had I made a put on seven during the father son, but these things happen. Okay, so we will take a break and Pat 40. That's right, Pat 40 comes up next and then Steve Sands after that. I'm Tony Kornheiser. This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome.
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You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show
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1, 2, 3, 4 this is Orit Shimoni, who we talked about yesterday, who performs with Dan Byrne. This is called Strange and Beautiful Things and here's the note Yesterday, Dan Byrne sent me the podcast episode as he often does when a song of his is involved. He told me the minute mark I should zero in on and I dutifully pressed play. I'm always happy to hear his stuff and your reaction to it, but this time it was a review from another of your listeners. A show review from a recent show in Kingston, Ontario I never expected my name, Oreet Shimoni, to be said out loud on a sports podcast, let alone the best one out there. I've been co writing and performing with Dan since 2019. I've been aware of your show from early on and getting him in, getting to know him. I've heard Lecheserie yelled out at our shows and I've been given the finger. Feeling pretty damn cool to be in the know. I keep meaning to send you a song of mine for consideration. I do not have any sports songs except for the one I wrote about a Zamboni, but I couldn't find the recording of it. So here's Strange and Beautiful Things, the title track of my 10th album and one that Dan and I often do together in our joint shows. We did catch the Nick spurs historical moment together after our gig that night. Just another layer of magic to appreciate with the other layers of magic that working with him involves. I love that you include music in your show. I hope this makes it in so I can for once send Dan a link to the episode along with the minute mark that he should pay attention to this time. Isn't that nice? That's great O Reed Shimoni. Very nice. Plays in Pat 40 we're gonna talk once again about Brendan Sorsby, I went on. I mean, I thought justifiably. That was the lead story on PTI yesterday and the first thing I said was I think this is the best possible outcome for three reasons. One is the Big 12 no longer has to litigate against one of its own members, two, that Texas Tech does not have to feel like a pariah, and three, that Sourceby has a career path and keeps all the money that they've given him. Feel free to disagree or tell me that you also think it's the best possible outcome.
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Yeah, no, I'm with you. I do. Tony, think that this, this satisfies pretty much all the basic requirements of how people wanted this to end. Nobody wanted to see Brendan Sorsby playing college football and he's not going to. Texas Tech is given a bit of a pass out of a position that it had, it had found itself in but then entrenched itself in.
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Yes.
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You know, and was. Was fighting a very losing PR battle. The Big 12, I think, deserves a lot of credit for, for kind of forcing this to happen and policing its own backyard in an era where the NCAA can't do it and where the courts wouldn't do it. So I. This is a satisfying result, I think for everybody. It doesn't end Brendan Sorsby's football life, but it gets him out of a place where he shouldn't have been able to play.
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How deep was the anger inside the Big 12 directed at Texas Tech? How deep?
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Extremely pervasive. Deep. Outraged. Somebody told me last night there's still, there's still a lot of angry people. But.
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Well then one of the things I said yesterday, and it's purely speculative, is that Texas Tech will leave that conference and go somewhere else. Do you think so?
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You know, I mean, they can consider it, but it wouldn't get them anywhere. Where are they going to go? You know, this is, this is Richard Gere, an officer and gentleman. I got no place to go. Yeah, you know, they sec.
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Sec.
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Absolutely not. Texas Tech and Texas A and M would block that with the power of a thousand suns. There's no way they want Texas Tech in that conference, especially after this, because one of the main things Texas Tech has, has done in the Cody Campbell era, such as it is, is basically attack Texas whenever it can.
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Yes.
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On whatever front it can. So Texas doesn't like being impugned in attack. So they're not going to the SEC, they're not going to the ACC. The PAC 12 or the Mountain west are not options. So they need to play nice and be happy members of the Big 12. It's best for them.
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How wounded are they, do you think?
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You know, I think they're. They're wounded. There's a lot of pride and ego involved. You know, it's amazing. Any time I go to Texas, the, the one upmanship and the, the water cooler bravado and the desire to get over on your in state rivals is overpowering there. It's stronger than anywhere else. And with that, Texas Tech is like, hey, it's our chance. We've got a bunch of money. All of a sudden we got a big mouth. Booster billionaire, let's go flex our muscles. And they got slapped back at it. Got slapped back at them. And so they're wounded for sure. They're just going to have to live with it.
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Yeah, I'm thinking that the most important linchpin here is it Sorsby gets to keep his money. Am I off on that?
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Well, according to what Cody Campbell said in what might be the longest public statement ever from a, from somebody who's not in charge,
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he gets to keep
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what he has gotten so far.
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Right?
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That's what they said. And you know, he may have signed for 4 or 5 million. He's not sure. Not getting all of that. That does at least should prevent any sort of, you know, breach of contract litigation, I would guess. But he's not going to get the whole boat, that's for sure.
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Who brokered this deal?
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Who's.
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Who gets the credit?
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Basically, the way it's been put to me, Ken Paxton, the attorney general of Texas Tech, walked right into this by threatening legal action against the conference. And the conference then took that and said, oh yeah, we're going to federal court and we'll file a complaint there. And that was the tipping point. So Whoever convinced the Big 12 to go to federal court with a high powered law firm gets the credit for that. If that's Bret Yourmark, if that's the President's, I don't know who it is, but the Big 12 to me comes out as the biggest winner by far in all of this.
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Okay, so let's go on the high angle here. Why would anybody, why would any conference ever need the NCAA again?
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Why?
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Good question. As of right now, that answer remains. Maybe you don't. I mean, this could be precedent. Now. This is obviously really rare circumstance where everyone in the world is aligned on one side of this and this is a clear violation of NCAA rules that just flat didn't get enforced. But I think there's a lot of conferences saying we can police our own backyard like the Big 12 just did. Now we'll see. The Federal Court Protect College Sports act is being marked up on Thursday in the Senate Commerce Committee. That's what that, if that bill passes, which is still probably a long shot, it would renew, I think, the power of the NCAA to enforce its rules. If it doesn't, then, yeah, we're in this situation where probably every league is going to look and say we need to do like the Big 12 did.
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Well, I mean, I would not have put the Big 12 in league with the SEC or the Big Ten in terms of competence. I would not have done that. And to see the Big 12 do this, I'm sure in the SEC and the Big 10 they're just saying, okay, we've got a path now. We know what to do now if this ever happens to us. Right?
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I think so. Now those two leagues may be a little bit harder to get unanimity on things.
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Yes, yes.
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You know, but again, if it's a clear cut case of somebody trying to pull a fast one, say, I don't know, Tony, we'll wait at LSU gets involved in something, who could foresee it? But let's say he does, could the other 15 members of the SEC say, no, we're not doing that? Yeah, I think it's possible.
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Okay, let me shift to Sorsby. Do you think the NFL lets him walk into the supplemental draft and clears him the play?
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I would suspect, and I don't have great inside information on this, but I would suspect that they're saying you can come to the NFL but you're going to face some sanctions when you get here. We're not taking a confessed gambler on his own team and just saying, come on in. I think that, yeah, he'll be eligible to be drafted and then teams will have to make a decision. Do we want somebody with upside but also considerable demonstrated risk? And then the ncr, then the NFL could say, yep, you can be on a roster, but guess what, you're not playing this year or whatever the case may be that they may be a one year suspension, half a year, something. But I would be shocked if he just has a free pass to suddenly become an NFL player.
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Yeah. So I'm going the other way on that. I think what the NFL can do, if it wants to, what it can do is say he did not gamble as a member of the NFL. And so, you know, as long as he doesn't do that, if he gambles as a member of the NFL, here are the sanctions. But if he doesn't, but he hasn't to this point. So I think they could clear him. I mean, I think. But I don't, I don't know.
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Yeah, I don't know. They could. There, you know, there have been instances of sanctioning people coming from college to the NFL for things they didn't do in the NFL Trail Prior and Jim Trestle himself, you know, so I just think with gambling. That's the one thing, you know, they've suspended players for gambling on non NFL things from the NFL facilities. And I just think that that's something they would draw a line, say we got to do something.
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This is a very significant problem gambling. I mean it is. I mean Wilbond's position is always the same, that it's hypocritical on the part of the leagues. And he's right because they have gambling partners. But this is, you know, this is going to crop up time and time and time again, don't you think?
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I do. You know, everything anecdotally I've heard is that college campuses are just awash in gambling. You know, it's there on your phone and where do young people spend all their time on their phones. And so this has become part of the culture for people at that age. And yes, they move through college and into the, you know, professional sports ranks or as professional working ranks. I just think there's, there's so much more gambling going on and that means there's going to be more problem gambling and that means there's going to be more, you know, risks taken and more scandals. I think that's inevitable. And that's kind of the deal that the NFL chose to make or all sports.
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Yeah, the NBA, the NHL, baseball, they all, they've all done the same thing. Here's, I think one of the problems. Scoresby has just shown you the path to go to court and win. Like Sourceby won, didn't he?
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He won. He found the one crackpot judge who bought his deal. If you somehow end up in his situation, you know, do your judge research, depending where you are and figure out, say, do I have a Hail Mary path out of this like Brendan Sorsman. I can't imagine there's many other judges that would have ruled that way. But he found the one, I'll bet.
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I mean, so we'll disagree on that. I think there's. That wherever the college campus is in that area, you're going to find somebody who's going to do is going to say, well, I like this kid playing on my team, I like it.
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Well, sure, yeah. No, I mean, and clearly that's one of the reasons the NCAA rules no longer matter because there's been plenty of rulings, self interested rulings that are going to make a judge popular and that's with his favorite team or whatever. And yeah, that's, I mean that's been the calculus.
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And that's one thing the NCAA is trying to legislate its way around right now.
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Well, we'll see. Okay, Plug your podcast.
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Others receiving votes. Sports Illustrated, si.com We taped on Brendan Sorsby and other issues yesterday. It's up today.
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Okay, great. Thank you, Pat. As always. Thank you.
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You bet, Tony.
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Thanks, Pat40. Love to have Pat40 on the show. We will take a break. We will come back with Steve Sands and talk about what it looks like at shinnecock for the U.S. open. I'm Tony Kornheiser.
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You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser Show.
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Ice cold.
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As for the frozen taquitos and mystery leftovers, we'll keep that between us.
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Drink it cold or don't drink it at all.
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Sure, you only score every now and again. Sure, you only win if you come from France or Spain. Sure, you have to play in the mud and the rain. But it's a beautiful game, Mr. Tony against just a free kick. Cover up your manhood to defend it Broken cleats mended like Beckham. Bend it. It's a beautiful game, Mr. Tony. Bribes and handouts cash to bring the World cup to your land for 90 minutes all but forget your born with hands every four years pretend that you're a fan but there isn't any blame, there isn't any shame to love the beautiful game and.
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The brilliant Dan Byrne making fun, I hope, of soccer poets everywhere who I can't stand and playing in Steve Sands. The segment with Steve Sands is brought to you by FanDuel. Play your game. What do you think of Shinnecock? You've been out there a bunch of times in your life, I'm sure. What do you think of it? What do you think of it as an open place?
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I think it's a lot better than watching the World Cup. I agree with Dan Burn. Yeah, I mean, come on. How about a two minute for embellishment call in soccer? That would really make the game a little bit better.
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This hydration break. The hydration break. This is. What a stupid idea this is, let me tell you.
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You know what a hydration break means?
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Let's stop just for some sponsors and some commercial.
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Yeah, that's all it is. That's all it is. It's just. It's hocus pocus.
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FIFA's. FIFA's really on the up and up. Oh, gosh. Last week, by the way, last week we're at the RBC Canadian Open, all right, in Toronto, biggest city in Canada, biggest province in Canada. And what does FIFA do to help out the RBC Canadian Open and the good people at Golf Canada who run that event.
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What?
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Let's put Canada in Toronto in Game 1 of the World cup at 3pm on Friday, head to head against the golf tournament. Oh, man. The people up there were not happy about the schedule in there from FIFA. But whatever. The World cup blows. Who cares? Soccer, Soccer, soccer stinks. MSI is the only time anybody should ever care about soccer.
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I love Taylor Twelveman. He's a great guest. He's going to be on tomorrow. I love him.
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I love him. He'll be. I love when he's your guest. Yeah, I saw him on Van Pelt last night. He's all over the place. And he plays Tahoe. God, can that guy play golf?
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Yes, he's good player.
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Whoa.
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He is a really, really good golfer.
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So what is. So we were talking before you got on the air, Michael and I, about the possibility of weather being more advantageous tomorrow morning than tomorrow afternoon. And not coincidentally, of course, who's playing tomorrow morning? Rory and Scotty. What do you. What do you hear about the weather forecast? What do you make of it as a course? It's been very, very hard traditionally to have people break par there.
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Yeah, I would say so. 655 players have played in the five previous US Opens here at Shinnecock. Three of those 655 have broken par by the end of the week. It's a really difficult place. I didn't answer your question before. I love Shinnecock. It's. It's amazing. Being out here on the eastern tip of Long island is incredible. Great, great golf. You can make a strong case that Long island has the best golf of any island in the world. And it's just amazing to be out here. And it's great, great tradition. Love the golf course, Jimmy Dunn, the whole thing. Shinnecock is amazing. I think that if the weather forecast holds, and again, we're 24 hours away from this actually taking place, because when we're talking right now, but if the weather forecast holds, a lot of times in Gulf, this happens early, late, late, early for the audience. You know, the first 36 holes, you know, the players play either early in the morning or late in the afternoon, and they flip it on Friday, and then they make the cut to make it even for the entire field before the cut is made on the weekend, when you then go by scores on the leaderboard. So with Scotty and Rory playing in the morning, it's funny how that works out when you see a forecast. A lot of people think that because of the wind tomorrow it's supposed to get really, really windy, like, gust of 40 miles per hour, that the players who play in the morning will get the best of the conditions. And then it's supposed to taper off in the afternoon on Friday, which means the players who play early Thursday and late Friday, like Scotty and Rory, could have a huge advantage. Let's see how the weather plays out. But it could be a huge advantage this week. Normally you see that at the Open Championship, more than a US Open over in, you know, in Great Britain. But this time it could take. Could take hold here at Shinnecock this week.
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So Michael and I played there with the great Jimmy Dunn. I remember nothing because I remember nothing about anything. Michael remembers every shot in every hole,
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made 20 footers on 8 and 9 and got up and down on 10 from behind the green.
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See? And I don't even. I can't even locate where this is on a map, but it is beautiful. It is beautiful, right? Beautiful.
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Oh, Shinnecock.
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Yes.
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Shinnecock is, in my opinion, it's. It's top two, three golf courses in America. Shinnecock is just a classic, classic place. It's. It's a stunningly beautiful venue, and it also will test everybody, you know, from an 11 handicap all the way to the best players in the world. And this week will be interesting because of the forecast and because of the last two times they've come here. When the USGA came here in 2004, Retief Goosen won. It was a disaster. They were watering the greens while they were playing, and it was crazy town. They lost the golf course. When it gets windy out here, as it tends to do on the way eastern tip here in Long island, you know, these golf courses, you know, can get so firm and fast. They can get out of control if you try to set it up a certain way. And that's the way the U.S. open is always set up. So they messed it up in 2004. Then they came here 14 years later in 2018. That's when Brooks Koepka won a US Open. And they messed it up that week, too. So I think the USGA is going to dial it back just a touch, make the greens a little softer, not as firm, make the greens not roll quite as fast as normal. And I think you could see some better scoring this week than you have in the last few US Opens that have been played here at Shinnecock.
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Is there a type of player facing the traditional way it's set up in an Open? Is there a type of player who tends to do well and a type of player who tends to do badly?
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Well, if you.
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If you hit your golf ball crisply, if you're a great ball striker, you are going to succeed here at Shinnecock because you have to be able to hit the ball well in the windy conditions. If you do not hit the ball well, if you are a guy who's a scrambler, that's great. Each and every week on the PGA Tour and usually at major championships, especially at a place like Augusta, where it's wide open at Shinnecock with the wind and the weather now, tomorrow is going to be a little bit of an anomaly. It's supposed to be, you know, really, really windy on Thursday, but on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, it still gets a little bit breezy. So you have to be a ball striker here. So guys who hit it crisply will be, you know, the ones who will be tested the least here at Shinnecock and I think that that'll be a huge thing. So iron play, guys who really, really hit it on the screws. You know, if you're hitting it sideways and you're just recovering all the time, that's going to be a problem here at Shinica.
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Can I get to the important.
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The 7:52 tee time. And it's not even Rory in that group. It's Uberg and Fleetwood who should play pretty well this week.
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Are they good ball strikers? Yeah, right.
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Yes, that's exactly right.
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And Fleetwood played Well there in 18.
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Yeah. Can I get to.
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Fleetwood almost shot the greatest round in the history of major championship golf in 2018. Really? Here in Shinnecock. Yeah, Tommy Fleetwood did. He almost did. Bruce Koepka won, and deservedly so. But Fleetwood tends to play well in conditions like this.
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Can I get to the most important question? Are you staying in a house or a hotel? And how are the accommodations?
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Not great. Accommodations out here in the Hamptons, it's a choice, you know, in golf, you know, when we do other sports, all these other things, you go in for a day or come out or that kind of thing. In golf, you move in for the week. So it's an expensive venture for the company. We are staying at a hotel that could be anywhere between 30 and, you know, 30 minutes and two hours away.
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Yes.
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On the golf course, because you can't just rent a million houses out here for all the people who do golf, because it would just cost the company so much money. But some people are in houses and they're close by. We're in a hotel. It's a nice hotel, but we're in a hotel that could be hopefully 30 minutes away when we go in real early in the morning, or it could be a couple of hours away, depending on traffic. There's only one road, but no, no heated toilet seat. Yeah, you know, it's a. It's a very.
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There's. There's one road. There's an east west road. That's all there is. There's one. It's. There's not a lot of ways to get there. There's one way, right? There's one way.
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That's it. When you get in. And I mean, look, Shinnecock is amazing. Across the street is national, which is amazing. The whole thing is amazing out here. But logistics, if you're a normal person, are not easy here. Now, if you're one of the people who is blading, you know, from Manhattan over everybody, you know, to Shinnecock, that's great. And you can take the train if you're in the city and, you know, here in Long island or somewhere around the New York area and get to Shinnecock pretty easily. But, you know, for those of us working this week, to get in and out on that one road obviously can be a challenge. But you're not going to hear me complain about logistics and all that kind of stuff. It's. It's our job. That's what we do.
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That's fine. I'm just. I just bring it up.
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Everybody wants to do what we're doing to be here. But this week in particular for a US Open is a bit of a challenge logistically, for sure.
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So last year at the U.S. open at Oakmont, another, you know, heralded golf place, J.J. spawn won with a fabulous putt at the end, and he was in contention the whole way. And nobody had really heard of JJ Spawn, and he used that to get on the Ryder cup team and, you know, had a great, great year. The most recent major was won by Aaron Rai. And if you think nobody heard of JJ Spring Spawn, nobody heard of Aaron Rye, really, that stands out to me as two unknown players. What are your thoughts on unknown players winning something like the U.S. open?
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I think it happens because of the way the golf course is set up. I think that you will see more winners like that and say, a U.S. open than perhaps any of the other four major championships. You just don't see it that often at the Masters. Say, you always find horsepower, big names at the Masters and at the other three major championships, it just. It's predicated on the weather. You know, Tony, it's an outdoor game like we talked about. It's predicated on who's hot coming in, who's playing well coming in. It only happens four times a year, major championship golf. So you've got to, you know, be able to bring your game to a venue like this. And then you have the way the golf course is set up at a U.S. open. I mean, J.J. spahn is very well known on the PGA Tour, but not well known in the sports world. But in the golf world, he's known as an incredible ball striker, and if his putter ever cooperates, he has a chance to win. Now, he has not won a lot. He's not a prolific winner on the PGA Tour, but his peers know how great he is striking the golf ball. He happened to have a good putting week, and his ball striking was there as well at Oakmont, and he got. And he got the win. I think JJ Spawn is Perfect for this place in weather like this because of the way he hits the golf ball. I like guys like Patrick Reed this week. I like Jon Rahm this week. I think Colin Morikawa is a guy who's going to play well this week. I think Tommy Fleetwood could play well this week. I think Matt Fitzpatrick also will play well. Guys who play that type of golf tend to play well at places like this.
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Brooks Koepka is a.
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Is a rock star, but he's a Bulldog kind of guy. Corey Paven won here, 95, a bulldog kind of guy. Raymond Floyd, a Bulldog kind of guy. Retief Goosen was a guy who just. He wasn't a Bulldog personality wise, but he just plotted his way along and just bludgeoned golf courses to death en route to winning two U.S. open. So I think players like that succeed more than any other, not only at Shinnecock, but at US Opens in general.
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Yeah, I'll get you out on this. And we talked to Doug Ferguson about this yesterday. No Tiger, no Phil. I mean, I understand that, you know, it's not like they just dropped out. They haven't been around for a while. But when there is something like this and there's no Tiger, no Phil, there's no presence, and they're both involved in, you know, personal scandals. Is that talked about much there? Is it talked about? Are they missed?
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It hasn't been talked about much this week. I think at the Masters a couple of months ago, you and I talked about this on the air and maybe off air as well, that there are 35 living masters champions. 33 of them went to the dinner on Tuesday night. The two omissions were Tiger and Phil. They didn't play for the first time since the early 90s, and they didn't even show up because of circumstances for the Champions dinner on that Tuesday night. So there's a. There's a changing of the guards, the wrong way to put it. But people know now that that era is now completely gone, and this era is completely starting fresh without those two hovering. If you think about it like the NBA, when Michael Jordan left, there were a couple of years there where it was not that the league wasn't going on, but it was kind of hovering as to who's taking over. Now it's clearly, clearly seeing golf at the highest level with Tiger and Phil now in the rearview mirror. And, you know, that's not a bad thing. Eras change. But it is a strange, strange feeling after all those years of those two being so dominant, not only on the golf course, but in the headlines and in the news and just being around the game and the aura of the sport and in the field and always paying attention to them and always having to show their shots because of their resumes and what they did in the Sport and won 21 major championships, Tony. 21 major championships between the two of them, 15 and six. I mean, they're the two best players of their generation. Up until recently, you could probably count Phil in the top 10 or 11 greatest players in the history of the sport. It is very strange to not have them be involved in the game, but hopefully they're doing okay. For various reasons, hopefully they're doing okay.
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Thank you so much for being on and please give our best to Val Sands. We want you to do that.
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By the way, Val Sands got a huge kick. She doesn't listen to the bald orange man very often in this podcast, but she loves, loves, loves you as a person. You know that. But she thought it was so funny to hear you guys crack up about me stupidly saying Val Sands instead of just Val all the time. She loved it.
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Just love it. All right, see you soon.
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It just rolls. It just rolls off the tongue, Tony. I mean, Tony Kornheiser is a little different than saying Val Sands.
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We'll see you soon, Steve Sands, boys and girls. And this segment of Steve Sands has been brought to you by FanDuel. Play your game. We will come back with email and jingle. I'm Tony Corn.
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Just go to bethesdabagles.com for the location in the DC area nearest you. Then pop on in and you'll be thrilled. And before we get to the mailbag, let me just say in a little cafe just the other side of the border, she was sitting there giving me looks that made my mouth water so I started walking her way she belonged to bad man Jose and I knew, yes, I knew I should leave When I heard her say Come a little bit closer. That's Jay and the Americans, One of the great songs ever. Just a great fun song. Thanks to our guest Today, Jason Samanow, Pat40 Steve Sands thanks as well to today's sponsors. Remember you can listen to us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Odyssey. Get the show through Apple Podcasts. Please leave us Review I got this nice note from my old roommate David Carpenter's daughter in law Annie and says I wanted to let you know that my brother Daniel Berger and his fiance Lydia Martin will be sending a wedding invitation to Tony. David is coming to their wedding. We thought if Tony could make it, it'd be a nice way for them to get together after all these years. I would love to do that. Is the wedding in upstate New York though, Is it in Lake George? Or is it in something that's a little bit easier to get to, for example, like Bethesda, which would be a lot easier for me to get to. But I await that. I await that. Jonathan Tannenwald, who Michael knows well, soccer writer for the Philadelphia Inquirer, son of loyal little Carol Tannenwell, gds his own yes, writes this I couldn't help writing in after hearing you discuss the World cup not being in D.C. on Tuesday's show. You answered your own question. When FIFA did its judging of potential host cities in 2021 and early 2020, FedEx Field really was that much of a dump, and Dan Snyder was intransigent about doing much to help. DC ended up merging its bid with Baltimore so that games would have been played at the Ravens Stadium down the stretch of the bidding process. From what I'd heard and reported at the time, the cities vying for the last hosting slot were D.C. baltimore and Boston. In the end, Boston won in part because Patriots owner Bob Kraft had become and still is close with FIFA president Gianni Infinito Infantino. I know a lot of people who were disappointed and surprised, but put the blame on Snyder above all for the state of things at the stadium. I also know many people who would hope that the new RFK on East Capitol street will be open in time to host the 2031 Women's World cup when it comes to the United States, and I've seen it reported that Mayor Bowser and Commander's officials have the same goal. Best wishes to you, Michael, Nigel and the Gang. I ride from Irvine, California, where I'M on the road covering the US Team. I go up to Seattle on Wednesday night. I hope to meet Spike Braun there. The woman he met in Vancouver, Harjit Johal, is a longtime friend of mine. I'm glad she got a David Aldrich moment. Send word if you're in Philadelphia, especially during the next college basketball season. Penn looks like it could be quite good in the Ivy League.
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That's nice.
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Thank you, Jonathan. Thank you.
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The one positive is we got all these great stories of the Scottish soccer fans taking over Boston.
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Yeah, just brilliant. From Steve Shelton in Madison, Mississippi Listening to your interview with Carter Spike Bruin, I experienced a rare moment of connective tissue. I asked my friend Neil Mathis whether his son Andy, a recent graduate of a recent University of Georgia graduate interested in sports journalism, New Carter. His response was no one. They're great friends. I'm taking them to the beach together this summer. As if that weren't enough connective tissue, Neil casually mentions that Gary Braun has done video work for his market marketing agency. So within the span of one conversation, I learned that my friend's son is best friends with Spike Braun and the Gary Braun has worked for my friend is disqualified as a David Aldrich moment. Of course. NPS Tell Jeff Karen to eat it From Brett Hobbs in Linton, Indiana Regaling the Father Son Tournament to your listeners brought back memories of my father teaching golf to my brothers and me. He tried to teach us the basics and had the patience to step back and watch us try to put his instruction to use. He loved golfing with us as we got older and enjoyed seeing the competition that happens between his four sons. What is interesting about my dad is that in his late teens he was hunting and another hunter mistook him for a deer. The hunter's bullet severed my father's left thumb and pretty much crippled his left hand. That did not stop my father from playing golf. We did have to look out for one issue, though. When Dad's hand would get sweaty, the club would sometimes become a helicopter and sail away. My dad has been gone for several years now, but when his four boys gather for a round of of golf, we always lift a glass after the round to toast our dad and the memory of a person who did not let a handicap stop him from playing the game he loved. I pray that one day your grandsons will compete against each other and smile at the memory of golfing with you and Michael, which is very nice. Thank you, Brett. From Chris Bancells in Forest Hill, Maryland, do you want to tell Wilbon there are hotels outside of Midtown or should I yeah, just yeah. Yeah. From Luis in White Plains, New York. This is Again, this is responding to Wilbon not playing golf in New York. I can't do it too far. Can't do it. From Luis in White Plains, New York. Wilbourne claimed he won't play golf in the New York metro area because the airport's hotels and travel logistics are too much of a hassle. Respectfully, this is nonsense. American flies nonstop from national to Westchester County Airport four times a day, 80 minutes in the air. Wayne Foot cited the 2020 U.S. open as a 15 minute drive from the terminal. He could leave D.C. in the morning, play one of the best courses in America, complain about pace of play, tell three people he knows Obama and be home for dinner. This is not an airport problem. This is not a hotel problem. This is not a New York problem. This is Wilbon not wanting to play golf in Westchester and dressing it up as an urban planning analysis. From Rob in Palo Alto by way of Interestingly enough, White Plains, what kind of force field does Wilbon enter when he travels to New York? This is the same man who takes two hours to drive from D.C. to Toronto or whatever Midwestern city he was talking about, but it's a five hour round trip between a swanky Midtown hotel and Marinik. According to the Google machine, Waldorf to Wingfoot is 40 minutes and you don't even have to get on I95 NPS. Please tell Ishan Weiner to eat it. Steve the Sycophant Monday's talk with Mr. Mike and a Little's email linked together with my vacation. Wilbon noted how baseballs jumped off the bat and golf balls flew in dry climates. And a Little emailed you from Los Alamos, New Mexico. Just a few days back I was in los Alamos at 7,300ft and the next day was walking around Taos ski Valley at 10,000ft. If we apply the wheeze test, the amount of wheezing I do walking at altitude compared to sea level, then batters or golfers would adore Taos thin or Taos thinner atmosphere. I bet on you driving your golf ball 275 yards or more. Give it a try, but bring an oxygen tank. 275 yards is three shots at this point. And from Mark Feiner in Greenwich, Connecticut, in Monday's Mailbag, Shannon Griffin wrote in to say that listening to you have been instrumental in helping her turn her life around and be a better person. Does she have you confused with Tony Robbins? I too have been listening for over 30 years. And in that time I've become mainly crankier. And I hate Subarus. That's it. That's the list. If you're out on your bike tonight, everyone is always do wear white.
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1, 2, 3, 4. Look around all you see are constellations Patterns of abuse and patterns of migration following stars trying to hide their skies it's either magic or it's not don't matter the miracles still shine in every splatter and stroke A tragedy or joke Strange and beautiful things have come over me Strange and beautiful things have come over me it's not a blessing or a beating it's not confessing or believing It's a here I am and there it is. It's not a blessing or a beating it's not confessing or believing it's here I am and there it is look around all you see is inspiration Good people and good vibrations Coming to your door well, who could ask for more? And every day is another combination of human human being Butterfly A molecule of all damnation Whatever you can see Strange and beautiful things have come over me Strange and beautiful things have come over me Strange and beautiful things have come over me Strange and beautiful things have come over me.
- [58:07]
B
Sure you only score every now and again sure you only win if you come from France or Spain sure you have to play in the mud and the rain but it's a beautiful game Mr. Tony against a free kick Cover up your manhood to defend it Broken cleat mended like Beckham bend it It's a beautiful game, Mr. Tony bribes and handouts Cash to bring the World cup to your land for 90 minutes all but forget you're born with hands every four years pretend that you you're a fan but there isn't any blame, isn't any shame to love the beautiful game Atmoso gold.