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Tony Kornheiser
Hey, it's Tony. On today's show, we'll talk to Ryan McGee about the punishment handed down to Michigan and also about the Big Ten's proposal expand the football playoffs. And we'll look ahead to the US Open and a new format with mixed doubles with Chris Clary. But first, commerce.
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Ryan McGee
Previously on the Tony Kornhauser show.
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Chris Clary
By the way, one of the highlights of the week after seeing everybody who we know in Maryland. And it was so much fun to be back in the area, relatively to see the socialite of Nancy walking around sweating their butts off on Friday was just. Was just phenomenal. You know, it's 90,000 degrees, a billion percent humidity, and here's Alan and Nancy walking out, just smiling and laughing, having a good time. It was great to see. Now.
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Ryan McGee
This is General George Washington and.
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Tony Kornheiser
You'Re listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. Eventually the socialite will listen to that and laugh. He will. I don't know when, but he will hear it and he will laugh. Okay, a couple of things to start. There's no Nats game last night, so don't worry, you know, you're not going to get bored with me going through the gnats. It's. Don't, don't worry about it. Although they got rid of Jose Tania. Good. Where he's not a major leaguer. Just waved him, said goodbye. Yeah, he's not a major leaguer. So it's okay. It's not a big deal. Have I talked, Michael, have I talked about the revolution toaster out here? Have I talked about you not giving us the update? It is so great. There now, pictures. It has pictures of everything that you can possibly cook in it and shows you, you know, what degree of cooking will result in what degree of burn, this or doneness or something like that, you know, it's just great. Wow, the toaster is just great.
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Michael
I'm really tried the toasty yet.
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Tony Kornheiser
What is that?
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Michael
Is that the pink sandwich? Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Like a panini? No, I haven't tried that. I'm afraid of that. I was hoping that I would see you and you would do it and you would tell me about it. I'm sort of afraid of that. But it's really great. So we thank every if. Look, it's pricey, but it's the greatest toaster in the history of the world. Greatest toaster. It is. Yeah, it is. Yes, it is. There's a certain amount of theater to it. I really like it. So I played yesterday. I go out to play about 11, 11, 20, 11 30, something like that. And there's three groups that are playing and it's $20aman. I go, okay. You know, the most I can lose is 20. It's okay. I'm all right with that. But it's a bad day, it's very, very windy, and there's moisture all over. So the conditions knocked a few people out. So Instead of having 12 at one point, there was just, I don't know, eight or nine or something like that, whatever it was. And then after the first five holes, my partner said, you know, I'm done. I just. It's no fun. And I understand that, sure. Because we were wet, all right, and it was an odd sort of wet. It was not rain that falls down on you. It was almost as if we were in the middle of a cloud bank. And you could see bands of moisture moving, you know, right to left, not up and down, side to side. And sometimes they would hit you and sometimes they would hit somebody else. And it was not great, was not fun. It was not bad enough to stop. There was no lightning. Nobody was going to blow you off the course. But what? Any fun won any fun. So a bunch of people left. So I, you know, I don't think.
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Michael
The heavy stuff's gonna come down for quite a while.
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Tony Kornheiser
No. But other people were saying that everybody else was looking at their phone saying, gee, it's not supposed to be any water now at all. It's not supposed to start till 4. And you say, you just sort of look at them and go, what do you do for a living?
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Chris Clary
Lawyer.
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Tony Kornheiser
You're a dentist. I mean, we're wet, aren't we? Yeah. Forget your phone. Your phone isn't working on this one. And nobody cares. They're laughing at you anyway in the central area where they put what the weather's gonna be. They're just giggling at you. So the three other guys I was with called it a day. And I went over to the clubhouse and I had a cup of coffee, you know, and then afterwards I walked out and I was gonna go home, but it wasn't raining, like. And I knew. So this is about, I don't know, 1 o', clock, 1:30, quarter to 2, somewhere in there. And I knew that it was supposed to start raining again at three or four, but I just thought, well, let me. Let me go out. I know who's. I know who was behind us. I know who was ahead of us. I can pick them up on the golf course. And I go back to eight, and the group behind us now has five guys. The five guys who stayed out of the eight remaining. They have five guys and they're playing. And I go, do you mind if I join you? And they said, no, great, you know, great. Just play fast. I said, that's what I do, I play fast. Don't worry about it. So I ended up playing eight, nine and then the back nine. I was really happy. I was really happy. I was, you know, I wanted to play. Yeah. And I was really happy.
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Michael
What happened to the bet? So you are already a third of the way through the round before the rain or.
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Tony Kornheiser
Right. So those bets. Those bets were all canceled. But then the six of us, which turned into five actually on the back nine, played the Skins Game, and I lost. I lost nine bucks. You know, it's okay. It was the price of admission to play with these people whose company I enjoyed very much. You know, I really did. Mark Hocker was there and Ronnie Barrows was there. Rick Judge was there. I'm leaving people out, but I really had. I had a good time. Ralph desena was there. I had a good time. So I was happy to do it. And then, you know, that left me with lots of time to worry about how bad the wind was going to be and. And if I was going to get just blown off the track or something like that. And to wait for the Washington football game last night. Oh, that's right. So I wanted to watch some. At least some of the Washington football game last night, which I did. I watched some of it. I watched enough of it to know that it doesn't matter what the final score was. On offense, the Washington team didn't. Didn't throw up. Jaden Daniels did not throw a single pass when I was watching him and went down the field. Boom, boom, boom. Zip, zip, zip. With running backs that I was not familiar with. Not Brian Robinson, who was their number one running back? No, no, no, no, no. Other people. Yeah, he's on the block. Other people, yeah, apparently he's on the block because this kid Crockett somebody or other who looked really good. And then they gave the ball to Debo Samuel once. He gained, like, I don't know, 12, 14 yards. And then Jaden Daniels put it in the end zone himself from 14 out. And he's smiling the whole way. You know, he gets bumped. He gets bumped a little bit, but he goes in there and you say so if you know what, that's it. And then on defense, and I think Joe Burrow is the best quarterback in football. That's me saying that he's not. He's not the greatest player in football. You know, the Kansas City guy is the greatest player. Patrick Mahomes is the greatest player in football, but I think Joe Burrow is a better quarterback. They got to him and knocked him down. What, how many times? Three, four times. Right. Early on, did anybody. Am I the only one who watched this?
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Michael
No, I watched.
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Tony Kornheiser
Sean, you didn't watch. Michael, did you watch?
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Michael
I missed the. I missed the opening because it was the bedtime.
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Tony Kornheiser
And then I sort of, okay, so they knocked, you know, they, they got to him. Oh, yeah. Now, he didn't have his great receivers out there. He was working with second team receivers. Higgins and Chase were not out there, so that, that matters. And by the way, by the end of the game, they'd scored, as they always do, over 30, you know, and I don't, I, I stopped watching. I don't know how long Burrow played, but Burrow played into the second quarter. Jaden Daniel did not. There came out after one series.
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Michael
There's some good on field interviews. So Chase are talking about, you know, they, they've been talking about leadership and he's like, I've known him forever. Like, I don't even. I, I hear him talking, but I just sort of intuitively know what he wants to do.
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Chris Clary
And then.
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Tony Kornheiser
Well, they played in lsu.
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Chris Clary
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
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Michael
And then you had Daniels, who was just smiling and just has the right answer for everything, how he just wanted to keep playing.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, he's, he's terrific. He appears to be the real deal. Yes. And, and that leads me to what I'm talking about. And this is what I want to talk about for three or four minutes. People are concerned in Washington, D.C. and in the environs. You know, like, if you're a Philadelphia Eagles fan, you would have this concern. If you're a New York Giants fan, you would have this concern. And the concern would be, how good is Washington without Terry McLaurin? No, because Terry McClure is not playing. He's not playing and, you know, he's apparently wants to leave. Okay. And this is a topic of discussion on golf courses and in offices, and people write about it in the paper and write about it online and on, on and on. And I get asked about this, what do you think is going to happen? And I say the same thing all the time. Look, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know the owners. I don't know Terry McLaurin. I know his body of work. I know the owner's body of work. In two short years, you know, seems to me something will happen and they'll keep him. But I will say this, and I say this to people, if I'm Terry McLaurin, I'm not leaving this kid. I'm not, I'm not going anywhere else. If you want to franchise me, I'm going to make so much more money than I made last year on the franchise tag. Not going to hurt me at all. And I get another year with this kid.
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Chris Clary
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Because if you go to another team where you don't have anybody this good, this dynamic, this guy with the ability to take the spotlight off you and let you do your work because they don't double you because this kid is too good, or why would you leave? Why would you go anywhere else this year? You're crazy. This kid is worth hanging around. Yeah. Am I right on this, Michael?
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Michael
100. But this seems to be very much just a negotiation tactic. And you look at where we are with strength of schedule, it's likely the commanders are not as good in terms of overall, you know, end of the season results and getting to the championship game.
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Tony Kornheiser
People catch up to you. When you. When you make a big jump, they catch up.
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Michael
If everyone's talking about how good the Giants might be, if the Giants are going to be the new commanders. The Giants have the hardest schedule this year. And you look at where the rest of the NFC east is, they're all in the top eight or nine. So there is. There is still.
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Tony Kornheiser
I thought the Bears had the first, second, third, fourth and fifth hardest schedules. Didn't Wilmond say that the Bears are.
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Michael
Currently in the second?
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Chris Clary
So.
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Michael
But you look. That also means that the NFC north is likely going to be, you know, one or two spots, like. So there's still that path, even if you don't have the same result as last year.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. So, anyway, I mean that. My thought on Terry McLaren McLaurin is you're really good, but it works because it makes it into the. No, you're not. Jamar Chase. No. You know, but you're very good. Yeah. You want some money and people are writing, give money, and it's easy to spend other people's money. Very good. But if they franchise him, he's going to make that is the average of the top five at the position. He's going to make over $40 million for one year. Ask Kirk Cousins how the franchise tag worked out. Yeah, they made like, $100 million in, like, three or four years. I wouldn't be afraid of that. No, I wouldn't be afraid of that. All right. That's all I really have to say. We're gonna come back, Ryan McGee with us. When we return, we're gonna talk a little bit about college football. And apparently the Big Ten now wants everybody in the college football playoffs, including teams that don't play football like Binghamton. They can be in the first round. That's absurd. I'm Tony Kornheiser. Possibility means you have a chance. Passion opens the door to all possibilities. When I feel like anything's possible, I feel kind of giddy.
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Singer
I want to be an astronaut, an artist, an actress.
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Tony Kornheiser
I to visit another country.
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Ryan McGee
All I need is a backpack and a pair of shoes and I'll find.
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Tony Kornheiser
A way I'm able to do anything I set my mind to.
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Ryan McGee
I've never felt like more things are.
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Chris Clary
Possible than right now.
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Tony Kornheiser
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Tony Kornheiser
This is a group called the Bell Sounds. This is a song called Lost out Here. You're gonna like them because they're sent us by Michael Granberry, who never misses. He writes. The Bell Sounds are a synth pop quintet based in Austin. Their lead singer is Noel Hampton, who wrote the songs you'll hear today and who co founded the band with her husband Andre Morgan in 2012. Bell Sounds released their most recent recording of Six Song EP in 2024, inspiring the Austin American Statesman to call the group one of the best pop bands in Austin. The Bell Sounds even had a day named after them in their hometown of Austin. Noel is proud of creating music inspired by some of our favorite artists, including Kate Bush, Depeche Mode, Tears for Fears, Peter Gabriel, and to go back even further, Fleetwood Mac. She's great. They're great. Yes. So Michael Grandberry Special. It's called Lost out here and it plays in Ryan McGee. Ryan McGee is born and raised and please correct me if I'm wrong. Born and raised in an area of the country where motorsports, particularly stock car racing, NASCAR and college football aren't just important. They're the most important things. Right? When you grew up, did you have pros like close to you? Did you have pro sports close to you or was it college mostly?
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Ryan McGee
No, it was everyone in North Carolina and South Carolina, which where I grew up, right on the state line. You were. They were all Washington Football fans, because it's the only NFL team we ever had on television.
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Tony Kornheiser
Right.
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Ryan McGee
No one knew the Falcons existed.
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Tony Kornheiser
Right.
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Ryan McGee
And then. And then it's Braves, Braves, Braves, 24. Dale Murphy could have. Dale Murphy could have run for governor of any state in the southeastern United States and won at any point in the 80s.
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Tony Kornheiser
They would have been better than a lot of people that were actually serving.
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Chris Clary
But.
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Ryan McGee
Yeah, that would have.
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Tony Kornheiser
That would have been fine. So it would have been great.
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Ryan McGee
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. But. But was that. I know those are pros, and I know that was channel 17, which Ted Turner tried to do, you know, put 17 on people's backs and then call it nickname channel or something like that. But was that. That wasn't as important as NASCAR and college football and college sports, right?
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Ryan McGee
No, no, no. It was the Braves or just what you did in the summertime in between races or just getting ready for football.
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Tony Kornheiser
Right.
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Chris Clary
There was a.
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Ryan McGee
There's a reason that, you know, when I lived. When I lived in Connecticut, when I moved to Bristol to start at ESPN 30 years ago, I'll never forget this.
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Chris Clary
Just.
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Ryan McGee
I moved there in the fall, moved at the end of August, and I never forget, like, Saturday trying to find the college football game on the radio.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
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Ryan McGee
And all they were doing on every sports talk channel was they were previewing Patriots, jets. And I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, Alabama, don't miss playing today. So I want to bring that up. And it just. It just didn't happen. And so. Yeah. So when I walked into Bristol, Connecticut, and I sounded like this, and it was right after Jeff Gordon won the inaugural Brickyard 400 Annapolis. Yeah. I became the NASCAR expert in the building just by default, because I was the only person that could even understand what Bill was saying.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. No, I like that. I like that. Imagine the career you would have had if you spoke the King's English and you had a British accent. You would never have had this career career. People say, who's this guy? What does he know? All right, let me get to this.
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Ryan McGee
The guy. I mean, cut after six months. But I got to stay. I tell Jeff Gordon all the time that I basically owe him my entire career because NASCAR became cool, and. And I just happened to get there at the exact same time.
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Tony Kornheiser
So this is. This is a way off topic, but I have met Jeff Gordon and chatted with him, and I've met Jimmy Johnson and chatted with him, and they're wonderful to talk to. And nobody really, you know, they have apartments in New York City because nobody Knows who they are and they can live a real life. If they had an apartment in Talladega, they couldn't get out the door right there. Really? Am I wrong about this? They seem like really nice people.
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Ryan McGee
I took my daughter to London for the first time a year ago and we went to Notting Hill because she wanted to see, you know, where the movie was made and all that. And I, I was just walking around taking pictures and went to Daytona last February and just make a small talk with Jimmy Johnson, who's kind of semi retired. He drives a little bit, but he owns a team. He goes, hey, how's your daughter doing? Great. Hey. We went. I told her we went to London. He goes, we not live in London. Well, yeah, no one knows that. And I'm like, I'm like, where do you live? He's like, I live in Notting Hill. And I go, dude, I showed him just random pictures on my phone. He goes, yep, you took a picture of my house. I was probably in the house drinking coffee. So, yeah, no one, but no one bothers him. So it works. He, him, Dario franchise, and all these Indy car racers, they all just hang out in one and no one knows. And they dig it.
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Tony Kornheiser
Jeff. Jeff Gordon had an apartment in New York City. I asked him why, and he said, I can walk anywhere I want. It's really good. All right, let me get to the topic at hand. Michigan received, and I'm putting air quotes around, punishment. They received some sort of punishment for what they did with the scandal, a scandal that I don't really understand because I don't understand the rule that says you cannot do advanced scouting. I don't really understand why that exists. So I'll ask you why that rule exists. But they broke the rule. They broke it 10,000 times. Everybody knew they broke it. They knew they broke it. And the punishment seems to be money. It doesn't seem to be, you can't be in the College Football Playoff. It doesn't seem to be you have to forfeit. And you just. How do you forfeit a national championship? Why would you do that? And it doesn't seem to be any sort of punishment. And I assume the rationale, Ryan, is that the people who committed it are not there anymore. They're gone. But take us through it. And what you think of this punishment of Michigan?
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Ryan McGee
Well, so the head football coach who was on the staff is suspended for a couple of games. Suspended for one game. Next year he'd already. There was already a self imposed two game suspension this year. Jim Harbaugh essentially can't work in college sports anymore. You know, there's a show call, as they call it, where he has to sit down with a panel improve. You know, I'm not, it's like, it's like a, you know, it's like your, your, your probation hearing, like, I can prove I haven't done anything wrong. He's not coming back to the, to college football. And the same for Connor Stallions, who was the mastermind behind the whole thing. But what they really did was they hit him in the wallet. And you know, our P. Thamel ESPN.com did the math and it, it's going to come up to about $30 million and there's not a postseason ban, but they won't get post season money for a couple years. And so, you know, everyone's complaint forever was, why are you penalizing the kids that are there now? You know, they weren't involved in this, which is really the truth, particularly in the transfer portal era. None of these, only a handful of these guys were on that team. So why, you know, hurt them and why hurt this staff who's tried to do everything the right way? And so again, I just, my, my feeling about all of it is, is that I never want to see Connor Stallions ever again.
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Chris Clary
No.
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Ryan McGee
Cause that he's been handed. Great.
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Tony Kornheiser
Right.
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Ryan McGee
Because the part I keep waiting for is I could use one apology from him. Right. Because we will. If you've seen the Netflix documentary, it's basically an hour. It's his parents and he's, he loves Michigan and here's the home movies of him and Halloween, you know, dressed in Michigan clothing and he's a Michigan man. But I just, you know, all I know past that is, is that every game I went to where he wasn't supposed to be there, he was tweeting about it and he was there or he was in the locker room. And if you cost this school that you say you love so much, more than $30 million and there are recruiting restrictions or all these things, but, you know, you've added this asterisk to this national championship that fair, unfair, people are going to stick on it forever. And not once has he said, I love this place so much. I'm just sorry I created such a hassle. Right? Jim Harbaugh finding out when he lands in Penn State that he can't even go to the stadium because of all this. Just one apology. And Harbaugh too. I mean, the reason that there was, the penalties that there were is because Harbaugh never Cooperate. And it was just. It was very thumb in their nose at the whole thing. And so it's just. It's kind of the last great ruling that we're going to get from the ncaa. And I think it's hilarious because they kind of got it right toward the end. Hit him in the wallet, you know, that's the only thing.
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Chris Clary
And.
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Ryan McGee
And people say, oh, $30 million, that's nothing for them. That's a lot of money. You know, I don't care who you are, you still got to work around it, you know, but. Yeah, but it's. I just. If I. If we never hear the name Connor Stallions ever again, unless it's just a list of the stupidest things we've had to cover, that'd be fine with me.
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Chris Clary
Good.
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Tony Kornheiser
I'm not adding to that. That's perfect. Everything you said is perfect. I'm moving on. Michigan is in the Big Ten. And the Big Ten, if I have this correct, and I probably don't have this correct, there's some college football now is the Big Ten and the sec, and they're trying to, you know, arrange some sort of detente where they can take over everything. And because the NCAA is out of business, the NCAA is like a store. It's like blockbuster. It's out. It's out. Don't go there anymore. It's done. But I think that the Big Ten is now in a position where they're saying they want, like, 30 teams or 40 teams. They want the largest playoff in the history of mankind. What are your thoughts on this? And it does seem to me that wouldn't the SEC have to go along with this?
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Ryan McGee
Yeah, I mean, it's. It's the arms race. It's the one we all grew up talking about the 80s and 90s. The one we all grew up with, right?
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Chris Clary
If.
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Ryan McGee
If I build. If I build 40 missiles, then you got to build 41. And if you build 41, I got to build 10 more.
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Chris Clary
It's just.
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Ryan McGee
That's just what I always go back to is I wrote a story for ESPN the Magazine. I believe it was in, like, 2012.
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Chris Clary
And.
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Ryan McGee
And I propose in the magazine this idea of we're headed to afc, nfc, right? It's going to essentially be two groups, and we're going to NFL Light. And I remember interviewing the great Roy Kramer, who's the smartest person I've ever met in collegiate athletics. He's the one that expanded the sec. He came up with the conference championship game. He came up with the BCS and he looked right at me and he said, 16 is the max. If it's more than 16, you can't govern it. Or at least you can't govern it the way you want to. And so I just. What I don't understand, Tony, is this obsession in college football with becoming the NFL. I don't want the NFL on Saturday. Right. The reason the college football and the NFL have always coexisted is because they're two different things. They play different type of football. You know, the rules are different, the overtime rules, playoffs are different. It's all different. And this obsession with. All the way down to the two minute warning, this obsession with college football trying to be like the NFL. If I wanted to watch the NFL.
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Chris Clary
I'd watch the NFL. But.
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Ryan McGee
But I grew up watching because like you said, in the south, in the United States, I grew up watching college football. Everything that you do to make it look like the league, I just don't get in. Expanding the playoff and going to two super conferences and all those things, I just. You had pretty good, you know, and just be careful. We talk about NASCAR all the time. If you get too far away from what it was that everyone fell in love with and was in love with for 150 years, if you get too far away from that, don't get your feelings hurt when they start paying way more attention to this thing that you're trying to emulate.
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Tony Kornheiser
No, I agree. I totally agree with all of that. I will say this. Most of the time in college football, the first two, three, four weeks aren't all that meaningful to me. And again, I grew up in a place where there was no college football, so I'm late to it and I've come to like it very much. But you're giving me Texas at Ohio State in the first week. That's one and two. That's unbelievable to me that, that even Texas would schedule Ohio State and vice versa. That's unbelievable to me. How did this happen?
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Ryan McGee
But yeah, and it's not just that. I mean, you're also talking about Clemson and LSU are playing for who's the real Death Valley. And Alabama's going to Tallahassee to play Florida State for the first time ever. And, you know, it goes on and even coming in my part of the world, you know, East Carolina and North Carolina State play and they hate each other. And so from top to bottom, I didn't believe that we could top a year ago for ridiculous matchups on week one. And we have it this year. And honestly, it goes on through most of September and then we crash into conference play. So I will say this. If, if the, if these super conferences are willing to schedule these games and if the play of the expanded playoff creates this, you know, template where we're seeing more of these games, then that's awesome. I'm all for that. But, but, but if, if we expand the playoff, I don't know if we keep scheduling these games because I don't know if you need them. So it's, we'll see. But, but I'm, I am, I am digging in on Week one and even I'm going down to Atlanta for a doubleheader, an SEC ACC doubleheader down there and we're all going to eat a lot of Chick Fil A and watch football.
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Tony Kornheiser
Have a great time. We don't have you on enough. I know you probably think we have you on too much, but we'd love to have you on. Thank you, Ryan.
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Ryan McGee
I'll come on anytime. Thank you, Tony.
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Tony Kornheiser
Ryan McGee boys and girls, we will take a break and then Chris Clary will join us and we'll do a US Open preview Tennis Preview. I'm Tony Kornheiser.
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Tony Kornheiser
One more time. These are the bell sounds from Austin, Texas. They're music sent to us by Michael Granberry. This is a song called Golden Hour. And she sings better than you sing because everybody Michael Granbury sends us sings better than you sing. Brilliant. You know, unless you're somebody Michael Granberry has sent us, then you sing as good as they say. Michael, if people, independent artists like the bell sounds want to send us their music to play on the podcast, how do they do it?
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Michael
Send us your music by emailing it.
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Tony Kornheiser
To jinglesonycornizershow.com and the Bell sounds play in Chris Clary. And we're going to talk about tennis. I want to be sure about this because the US Open starts soon. It's on espn. Preempts us good. Always happy about that. But when, Chris, when does it officially start? When does the actual sort of singles draw officially start?
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Chris Clary
Yeah, they've added a 15th day, all the race. So it starts on Sunday. On Sunday. But we have start this coming Sunday. Yeah, the first day, it's a 15 day event now. It used to be 14. And then we're doing mixed doubles in a new way at a new time with all kinds of stars and maybe less gravitas starting today and a couple hours and then Wednesday is the final of it. So it's a really reshuffled sort of format.
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Tony Kornheiser
This is what I want to talk about. Mixed doubles exists in a lot of tournaments. Mixed doubles is, and correct me if I'm wrong, at any point here, tennis was invented. One person played against another person. And then doubles was invented. And then mixed doubles was invented. It's an invention. All right. I'm not saying it's bad, it's lovely to watch, but it's an invention at some point. Now, the U.S. open is carving out a special amount of time just for mixed doubles, trying to attract the greatest stars in the game to play mixed doubles. Will this be, Chris, will it be an official title, an official majors title to the winners here? Because please explain how they're changing the rules.
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Chris Clary
Yeah, it will be official. And that's causing a fair bit of debate within the tennis community. And to be honest, mixed doubles is, has really been an afterthought for a long time. You know, funny enough, you mentioned that it was added on, but you go back to the very origins of lawn tennis, which is what tennis came out of, you know, played on the grass and in England back in the day of hoop skirts and long pants and all that sort of stuff in the 19th century. Actually one of the reasons it became popular was because it was one of the only sports where men and women could play together and kind of do it in a, you know, official sort of way and an acceptable sort of way socially. So really, part of the reason it became popular back in the 19th century was because men and women were playing together, which is a funny thing. But now let's fast forward to a whole different era. You know, now you're trying to look for eyeballs and all the rest. And no, no, big stars have played, you know, mixed doubles for ages. Used to be big back in the 60s and the 70s. Chris Evert and Jimmy Connors played together and when they were an item, and Billie Jean King played it a lot. Margaret Court, but nobody of import in the game and singles has played it for a long time, really. So the US Open is trying to think of some new ideas to jazz things up. They kind of added this week before the regular U.S. open starts, called Fan Week. So the idea was to try to spice it up and bring in the mixed double format that top players would want to play, add some prize money, add some TV coverage, which mixed doubles hasn't gotten really in for a while. And honestly, in that department, they've succeeded. It's got both center and Alcaraz signed up. You got Naomi Osaka is playing. You get fiance people like that, Jessica Pugula. So big names and they're playing in a shortened format over two days. So it's going to be set to three sets first. The sets are the four games, not the six. And if they get to a third set, it'll be a match tiebreaker. And then they play Basically well, only 16 teams, a bunch of wild cards, a bunch of teams that qualified for singles. And then they're going to play the final tomorrow night in a stadium. So it's. It's got a lot of pros, it's got a lot of cons, but if you're a double specialist, it ain't great for you, that's for sure.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. So let me get to this. This is unbelievably radical. It's unbelievably radical. It's not six games wins anymore. It's not over some long period of time. It is basically saying to people who earn a living by playing mixed doubles, if there are 10 people in the world who make a living by playing mixed doubles, it's saying, you're out, you're out. I mean, we. You. You have shown us that nobody cares about what you do. So we're Going to change this in order to see if we can popularize a game. I mean, you mentioned Chris Everett playing with Jimmy Connors. My friend Mary Carrillo played with John McEnroe. They got one of these, they got one of these at the French. They got a real live title. If this is a real live title, I would imagine there are a lot of people who play mixed doubles who are going, hold on a second, what are you doing to us?
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Chris Clary
Yeah. No, I think you summed it up beautifully there. And I think it is, it is a debate. I guess I would argue as a longtime tennis guy, that in a sense, if you're going to try and experiment with any event in kind of the Grand Slam universe, this is probably the one to try it with. And honestly, you know, the doubles players still have their showcase, which is the men's doubles and women's doubles during the tournament, which is the way it's always been. So, I mean, it is, it is radical. I agree. And it's. And the funny thing is it's coming from a guy who used to be a double specialist, Eric Buterax, who's a high ranking UST executive, who's a short guy, played Division 3 tennis, really a fun success story in doubles. But he made his living as a doubles player. So in a sense this is his brainchild and it was approved by the USTA. And honestly, the top players are buying in and ESPN has bought in by showing it on TV, which they didn't do with McDoubles before. But the doubles players, which Eric has won, are suffering. Although the team that did win it last year, Iranian Bavasauri from Italy, did end up getting a wild card in. So they are playing in this well, but almost everybody else is a new team, combination of stars and it's a whole different thing.
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Tony Kornheiser
I have to say I like it. I have to say I like the idea. If I were a doubles player, mixed doubles player, I wouldn't like it, but, you know, I would be one of those people who would say, you know, let's go get Steffi Groff and Andre Agassi, let's put them in the draw. Who wouldn't want to see them? They watch him playing pickleball, for God's sakes, Chris. They'd want to see them for one match, wouldn't they?
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Chris Clary
You have got that right. And I'm sure somebody, you know, tried to get a hold of Serena Williams and convince Serena to play here, although Venus is playing. Venus, who is still an active player and one of matches you're playing with Riley Otoka, young, tall, American. They're pretty friendly. So, you know, it's. It's got star power for sure. And if you wanted to add in some great to the game in the past, bring in a Federer, bringing in a doll, you know, who knows down the road what happens with this. Yeah. And obviously the way it works, Tony, too, if the US Open does it, the other Slims are going to think about it, and you may see this happen, which is what the doubles players are worried about. This could become a canary in the coal mine for that. Right.
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Tony Kornheiser
This is. This is my other feeling. This is not being tried out in Indian Wells Part 3. This is the US Open. Nobody's kidding around here. This is at no worse than the second most important tournament of the year. And they're. They've jumped into the pool on this. And I. To me, if I were still writing a column, I'd be hammering this thing. I just think it's really good. Let me, before I get to favorites for the U.S. open. Did. Did Sinner quit yesterday? Do you know anything about this in the finals? Did he just say, I'm done?
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Chris Clary
Yeah, he did. He played. He did. No, Moss, just brutal heat in Cincinnati, which is no surprise to anybody after all these years of that tournament.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
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Chris Clary
And, yeah, he. He couldn't do it. He had to stop at five love down against Alcaraz. Obviously, those guys have played epic matches this year. Everybody was looking forward to another one. It didn't happen. So we'll see what that means for the US Open for center. Center is supposed to play in this next doubles extravaganza starting today. So we'll see what ends up happening with that. He's quick play with Katerina Siniakova, who is also a doubles star. So another doubles player, but matching up with Center.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, you mentioned Sinner. You mentioned Alcaraz. The drama of tennis in the last three years. Three to five years is. How many is Djokovic going to end up with? I can't see him beating both these guys. Can you. Can he muster it up and beat both these guys who are going to be in front of him?
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Chris Clary
Nope. Nope. Simple answer. Nope. I don't see that happening. Obviously, if one of them ends up physical difficulties or gets hurt or Sinner ends up not being able to perform at his best, then suddenly it opens up a bit more. You only got to get past maybe one. But it's not just Sinner and Alcaraz that are the problem for Djokovic in a US Open scenario. He hasn't played any World cup tournaments since Wimbledon. He's had some good results this year, but he hasn't been able to get past that final hurdle. I just don't think in this kind of heat, this kind of grueling two week event, best of five sets, I just don't see it for him. But you know, it doesn't mean he can't surprise us all with a 5 or 10% chance and do something extraordinary. But I would be shocked.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, I mean the men's, everybody will project Alcaraz and Sinner and so that's not hard to do. The women's appears to be much more wide open. I'm trying to think of the young woman who got bagel in Wimbledon, Anissimova. Is that, do I have that correct? A young American. I never heard of her at all and was thrilled that she got all the way to the finals. And then just, you know, you turn your head away, you feel so bad. What is her immediate future? What, what does she look like now?
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Chris Clary
That was about as much fun as watching your kids. Bad piano recital. You know, that was really tough.
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Tony Kornheiser
That was tough watch.
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Chris Clary
It was a tough, tough, tough watch. But it was a quick watch. So that was the only advantage for Amanda, who was a very fine player. And I followed Amanda's career since he was a teenager. Been through a lot, lost her father, coached to a heart attack very young and has been through a lot. So it was really tough to see that. And she had beaten Sabalenka, the world number one and a tight three setter on the same court before that. So very surprising. But as far as this year's Open goes, I mean the player in form is IGA Vincek, who's been informed before. Long time number one, won the US Open three years ago and just won Cincinnati and won Wimbledon in that match you talked about with Anecdomova. Beating her in the final was kind of a surprise because C wasn't considered a real grass court threat the same way she's considered a clay court threat. But she's in great form. I think you'd have to pick her as a favorite based on the results coming in. Sabalenka is a great hardcore player but has struggled this year in the biggest matches. Then you got players like Coco Gauff who won the French Open in that crazy wild, swinging match against the Sabalenka but has struggled again with her consistency, has won the Open before. You can't count her out. Young Mira Andreeva, 18 years old from Russia who had a great hardcore season in the US Won Indian Wells earlier this year, Madison Keys won the Aussie Open, now 30 years old from the US and you got a couple outsiders, Paolini from Italy and Rebakina from Kazakhstan. And then I would put in a couple, one crazy one, Vicky Mvoko, 18 year old Canadian who won the Canadian Open this year. Kind of a emerging star. And you just never know if you can catch, you know, lightning in a bottle and have a deep run at the US Open as a youngster.
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Tony Kornheiser
It's a wonderful watch. It is. The U.S. open is great because of the night stuff and it's, it's Wimbledon is great and the US Open is great. Chris, thanks for getting up early. Thank you for being on. We hope to have you on during the Open. Thanks very much.
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Chris Clary
Great to be with you, Tony. Thanks so much.
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Tony Kornheiser
Chris Clary is a great writer. Yeah, a great writer for years and years. Wrote great pieces. What was that little paper he wrote for the New York Times? Kids, we'll take a break. We'll come back with email and jingle. I am Tony Kornheiser.
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Have we heard this before? Yes, we played it once. Once. This is the Zama Zama middle school guitar class. Zama is in Japan. In Japan. And they're playing this for us. How great is that?
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Michael
That's pretty dancing across the fret.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's great. Bethesda bagel ad for us. Ah, Bethesda Bagels. We love them. You will as well. Just go to BethesdaBaggles.com for the location in the D.C. area, Nurse Jew. Then pop on in and you'll be thrilled. And before we get to the mailbag, let me just say the night was clear and the moon was yellow and the leaves came tumbling down. I was standing on a corner when I heard my bulldog bark. He was barking at two men who were gambling in the dark Just staggeredly and he shot Billy. He shot that poor boy so bad that the bullets went to Billy and they broke the bartender's glass. Okay, thanks to our guest today, Ryan McGee, Chris Clary. Thanks as well to today's sponsors. Remember, you can listen to us on Apple podcasts, Spotify and Orders. Get the show through Apple. Please leave us a review. Here we go. This is a great one. Wilbur mentioned my name on Monday's show about calling to express his enthusiasm for the Giants as well as the Bears. So for your audience, let me be clear in my response. And by the way, put me down for predicting that both the Giants and Bears will finish last in their respective divisions. Neville. That Neville. That Neville makes me happy. Okay, Neil Airvase in Littleton, Colorado in the course of my loyal Littlehood, I've enjoyed the show from innumerable venues, working out the gym, road trips, imparting your knowledge, family and friends at work while performing alleged billable services. Yesterday marked a new milestone in listening as I enjoyed the Nats News and Wilbon and Sands talk takes while safely ensconced in our units in Turks and Caicos Island. Watching Hurricane Erin blow through with winds up to 80 miles an hour. Photos attached yeah, while having a family vacation interrupted by a hurricane gives new meaning to the term tropical depression. As always, you, the gang and Littles offer plenty of smiles and warmth. As one also happily owned by my dogs. I'm hoping for good news about Chessy. Chessy seems to be better. Seems better. A little bit better. Although panting a lot overnight, I don't. I'm not crazy about that. Not sleeping well, panting a lot. But you know, seems okay.
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Michael
The cooler weather helped.
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Tony Kornheiser
It doesn't seem to so far. So far no. Ron Gujet Ski in Lewis In Lewis. Wow. Lewis, Delaware and in Gaithersburg. The first summer after I bought a house in Lewis, I suffered a dental emergency. Most of the dentists in the area wouldn't see me because I wasn't a full time resident and they didn't service summer people. One wanted me to become a regular patient, but I had to come a few days later, have them look at my mouth, take X rays, etc. For $350 and then they'd look at my emergency. I did the next best thing, called my dentist, Dr. Cobb in D.C. who agreed to see Me. The next day I drove to D.C. got my emergency taken care of, and drove back to Lewis. To this day, I do not belong to a dental practice at the beach. Although I will say this, my friend Ryan is a dentist. And he's a wonderful dentist. And I love him. Okay? I love him. I do. Peter Jennings. Not that Peter Jennings. I, too, both was sad and dismayed by your story regarding the closure of the veterinarian offices on weekends juxtaposed to ours over 30 years ago. We were at a cottage in northern Michigan. Our kids, ages 8 and 5, were fishing off the end of the dock with our beloved West Highland white terrier named Scout. Right there. Yes, both parents were watching over them intently, along with flight surgeon, lieutenant commander in the U.S. navy. Brother. We were using cheese instead of worms for bait because baiting a hook with a worm is gross for any person. In literally a split second, Scout swallowed the cheese and the hook. Screaming and wailing and panic ensued, mostly from myself. My brother was no help, as he immediately proclaimed he was a radiologist, not a surgeon. We called a local vet on a rotary phone, no less. The vet said he would be right over, but lived a few miles away. A pickup truck and overalls looked like a Norman Rockwell painting. I don't remember the details, but somehow he took a small pair of pliers and straightened out the hook and Scout was fine. No injuries, nothing. I will never forget how relieved and ecstatic we were. The wonderful person told me since it was Saturday night, he had to make a house call. He had to charge us extra. He asked if $20 sounded fair. Scout lived a long and happy life thanks to this vet. We never forgot this James Herriot type figure. A special place in heaven for folks like him. I hope Jesse is okay and you can find some kind and compassionate vets to help you. I'm going to say this again. Don't call yourself an animal hospital if your first question is, are you? Do you live here? Do you live here? Or you're not. You're not someone currently on our books. Don't do that. Don't do that. The dogs can't talk. The cats can't talk. They can't tell you what's wrong. They need care. They need treatment. It's wonderful when you hear stories like this of people doing honestly what they're supposed to do. Caring for wounded and sick animals. Yes. Kyle Fisher, Missouri City, Texas. I didn't know there was a Missouri City, Texas. I was listening to the Mailbag from Monday show. Several listeners gave their tips for Great squash. I'm sure the recipes are all wonderful. However, there's one key step that was left out. Zucchini and squash hold a tremendous amount of water, and when cooked, that water is rapidly turned into steam. Steam plus squash equals mush. To combat this, about 30 minutes prior to cooking, split a squash in half lengthwise. Score the inner surface several times. Next, sprinkle it with a little salt and let it rest. You will soon notice small little puddles on the of water on the squash. Simply dab up with a paper towel. When you are ready to saute or grill, season any way you see fit. That's great. That is. That's Michael. Will you remember that I've already.
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Michael
Oh, totally. It works even better if you have a little wire rack so you can let it drip off of the squash. Same thing with a eggplant. If you want to get rid of eggplant.
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Tony Kornheiser
I was going to say I'm not an eggplant guy. Yeah, I'm not seeing that chicken earlier. All right. Yeah. Patrick Graham Catonsville, Maryland Preheat your grill. Take your squash. Cut it into quarter inch rounds. Carry the squash to the nearest trash can. Carefully scrape it into the receptacle. Promptly replace the squash with inch thick rib eye steaks. Season with salt and pepper. Place on the grill to desired temperature. Serve and smile. Of course, to save time, you can skip cutting of the cutting of the squash. To paraphrase the Great Right Juan Swanson, don't eat what your food is eating. Okay, there you go. There you go. Steve is grilled zucchini where the steak.
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Michael
Was cooking while the steak is resting. Great way to add some flavor.
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Tony Kornheiser
Oh yeah.
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Ryan McGee
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Steve the Sick Fan here's an outdoor tip for all the littles. Tennessee authorities have announced a hiker at a state park has died after picking up a timber rattlesnake and being bitten. It was not clear why the hiker picked up the snake, but let's make this plain. Picking up a snake is not a good idea, even if it's a friendly one. How to tell if a snake is friendly or unfriendly? That's easy. The unfriendly ones bite you. I'll tell you later about my wilderness encounter with a stick that turned out to be a snake. Until then, keep on potting. I see them all the time hiking out in Great Falls, and the one thing that never occurs to me is maybe I should pick that up and just say hello. No, don't. Leave it alone. John Tagliarini and Kinney, Iowa I'm sure others have already answered this, but the Cardinals attendance is down because we are angry at the complacent management. Complacent management. Thank God some of the dead weight is leaving at the end of the year, but it's been a decade of stupidity and cheapness that upsets fans. Tell Peter continued to eat it. Philip in Cleveland just got back from Cooperstown, stayed at the OTA saga. Good for you. Spent a day at the hall and another day playing leather stocking. Good for you. What a fabulous experience for my family, particularly my father and I. We've been talking about going for years and it did not disappoint. The hall of Fame was nostalgia and all around every corner and the ODA saga could not have been nicer. Wanted to let you know I would have never known about the ODA saga without being a little thank you for contributing to the joy of our trip and making my dad's birthday celebration all that more special. Isn't that nice? That is lovely. Philip from Cleveland. That's really nice. It's a great hotel and they don't pay me and I haven't been there in years. Just it was great when I was there. Got to try the Shaner New Albany H. Oh yeah, they did. Yeah, it's wonderful. That's fantastic. Seth Shaner, New Albany, Ohio Chuck and Roxy207 Wilbon said a week or so ago that the Cubs are the only team in baseball to go the whole season without being swept. His Cubs were, in fact, swept in their first series of the season by the Dodgers. The Reds have been and remain the only team not to be swept. As fellow little Ted Keniston said in a chat recently, Mr. Toney might be unburdened by memory, but Wilbon is unburdened by facts. And From David Bradley in Sterling, Virginia I'm not sure if anyone else has heard about this, but apparently Wilbon went to a soccer game in the UK tonight. As always, do wear white. Let's try this. Your line, just say it as I say it. Say your line exactly as I'm about to.
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Chris Clary
Okay?
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Tony Kornheiser
Sure.
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Chris Clary
Would that it were so simple Would.
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Sa Maze Right in the space between the melody in the dream I thought I heard a voice coming loud and clear I tried to memorize it but it disappeared I'm alone in this atmosphere Please hear.
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Ryan McGee
Me.
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Singer
I'm lost out here Will I ever sound clear again? Drowning in the sea A bright star's calling everyone's falling down in the endless space of infinity I'll claim a tiny part in a world made for broken heart. I listen for the message here I try to write it down before it disappears. I'm alone in this atmosphere. Please hear me I'm lost out here. Will I ever stop clear again? Land drowning in se everyone's falling down Sam in me Will I ever sound clear again? Joing in a sea a bright star's calling. Everyone's falling down Sam I want to see you in the golden hour. The light on your face I want to see you in the golden hour. Your lights I would trace Come lay with me in the golden hour. As the sun is sinking low I feel you with me in the golden hour. You're radio I won't say when it's never enough. As twilight bends to touch the door I won't it's never enough. It's never enough. I want to see you in the golden hour. Catch the rays in our hands. Everything's great cold in the golden hour. Footprints in the sound. Sit with me now in this golden hour where we belong. Follow me through this golden hour. It's almost gone. I won't see when it's never enough. As twilight to touch the door. I won't say when it's never enough. It's never enough. It's never enough. It's never enough.