“Not an ice cream night”

Summary

Podcast Summary: "The Tony Kornheiser Show" – Episode “Not an Ice Cream Night”

Release Date: May 29, 2025
Host: Tony Kornheiser
Guests: Steve Sands and Ann Hornaday

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1. Rory McIlroy's Absence from the Memorial Tournament

Timestamp: 20:39 - 24:40

Tony Kornheiser opens the episode discussing Rory McIlroy's decision to skip the Memorial Tournament, drawing insights from guest Michael Wilbon.

• Tony Kornheiser expresses his surprise and disappointment:
  "[22:58]... for me, I think, wow, is there some sort of implosion going on in the life of Rory McIlroy?"

• Michael Wilbon shares his perspective on McIlroy's responsibility as a leading figure in golf:
  "[23:42]... you have a responsibility to the sport... you could debate whether it should be mandatory... but Rory is so good at it..."

• Discussion Highlights:

  • McIlroy's Decision: Tony and Michael delve into whether McIlroy's absence stems from personal struggles or dissatisfaction with PGA rules, particularly the ruling on his driver.
  • Golf Rule Changes: They debate the fairness and consistency of equipment checks, emphasizing the need for uniform enforcement to maintain integrity in the sport.
  • Tour Championship Adjustments: The conversation transitions to recent changes in the Tour Championship, including the removal of the 10-stroke lead advantage, which both hosts support as a move towards fair competition.

2. Tour Championship Rule Changes in Golf

Timestamp: 25:37 - 30:04

Tony and Michael discuss the significant adjustments made to the Tour Championship format, moving away from granting stroke advantages based on previous performance.

• Tony Kornheiser advocates for equal starting conditions:
  "[28:07]... you don't stagger the start... it's the right move by a million."

• Michael Wilbon agrees, comparing it to track and field events:
  "[28:07]... you can't give somebody a staggered start... it's what you're supposed to do in sports."

• Key Points:

  • Fairness: Both agree that starting all players on equal footing ensures that the best performance determines the winner.
  • Player Engagement: Emphasize that all 30 players have an equal chance to win, enhancing the competitiveness and excitement of the tournament.
  • Historical Context: Reference past tournaments where rule inconsistencies led to confusion and dissatisfaction among players and fans.

3. Washington Commanders' Name Change and Public Reception

Timestamp: 30:04 - 32:18

The discussion shifts to the Washington NFL team's rebranding from the Redskins/Skins to the Commanders, highlighting changes in public perception and approval ratings.

• Tony Kornheiser expresses his strong dislike for the new name despite the team's recent successes:
  "[31:07]... I think the name stinks. I can't stand it."

• Michael Wilbon provides a nuanced view, acknowledging the historical attachment while recognizing the growing acceptance due to the team's performance:
  "[31:30]... I like football team better than I like Commanders."

• Discussion Highlights:

  • Approval Ratings: Transition from 25% to over 50% approval, largely influenced by the team's performance rather than the name itself.
  • Cultural Shift: The renewed success under Coach Jaden Daniels has softened some of the initial resistance to the name change.
  • Personal Preferences: Both hosts express a preference for the traditional names and discuss the emotional attachment long-time fans have to the team's legacy.

4. Ann Hornaday's Project on "All the President's Men"

Timestamp: 33:00 - 50:00

Ann Hornaday joins the conversation to discuss her year-long project centered around the iconic film "All the President's Men," offering an in-depth look at its creation and impact.

• Ann Hornaday shares her experience researching and interviewing key figures:
  "[46:07]... Bob Woodward still has one of the copies of the script... They were very generous with their time."

• Insightful Quotes:

  • "[48:03] Ann Hornaday: Jane Alexander's portrayal... one of the most beautiful scenes ever filmed."
  • "[49:22] Ann Hornaday:... discussing with supporting players and crew members who take pride in the film's legacy."

• Key Points:

  • Historical Significance: The project explores how the film captured the essence of investigative journalism and its role in depicting real historical events.
  • Collaborations: Ann highlights her interactions with original cast members and crew, shedding light on behind-the-scenes narratives.
  • Cultural Impact: Emphasizes the film's contribution to American cinema and its enduring legacy as a masterpiece that blends entertainment with substantial storytelling.

5. The Evolution of Summer Blockbuster Movies

Timestamp: 35:09 - 44:02

Tony Kornheiser and Ann Hornaday engage in a deep discussion about the current state of summer blockbuster movies, examining their evolution and cultural relevance.

• Tony Kornheiser laments his disconnection from modern blockbusters:
  "[35:52]... I haven't been to the movie theater in five or six years and I doubt I'm ever going."

• Ann Hornaday reflects on the shift from diverse storytelling to effect-driven films:
  "[37:07]... Jaws was the opposite... focus on characters and realism rather than special effects."

• Discussion Highlights:

  • Historical Context: Comparison of early blockbusters like "Jaws" and "Star Wars" with contemporary releases focused more on visual effects and super-hero narratives.
  • Cinematic Quality: Concerns about the decline in diverse genres and substantive storytelling, with a preference for character-driven narratives over spectacle.
  • Audience Engagement: Observations on how younger generations consume media differently, favoring serialized television over standalone films, impacting the nature and quality of movies produced today.

6. Listener Interactions and Community Engagement

Timestamp: 50:50 - 63:29

Tony Kornheiser fields emails and listener interactions, addressing various topics ranging from local businesses to personal anecdotes.

• Tom Brown Tribute:
  "[53:00]... Honoring the legacy of Tom Brown, a pioneer two-sport athlete and community builder through his youth sports organization."

• Local Recommendations and Personal Stories:

  • Home Depot Flowers: Listeners share positive experiences based on Tony's recommendations.
  • Golf Highlights: Recognition of college golf achievements and local team successes.

• Key Points:

  • Community Focus: Emphasis on supporting local businesses and celebrating individual achievements within sports and community service.
  • Personal Touch: Tony connects with listeners by sharing personal stories and responding to their contributions, fostering a sense of community and engagement.

7. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Timestamp: 63:29 - End

The episode wraps up with musical segments and final remarks from Tony, blending reflections on the day's discussions with light-hearted interactions.

• Musical Dedications:
  "Can I help it if I fall in love with you... Suzanne this is our time tonight."
  Tony concludes with a heartfelt rendition of a song dedicated to a listener’s sister, adding a personal and emotional closure to the episode.

• Final Remarks:
  "[68:06]... It's a special kind of power that cinema has..."
  Tony thanks guests and listeners, encouraging continued engagement and support.

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Notable Quotes:

• Tony Kornheiser on Tour Championship Changes:
  "[28:07] 'You don't stagger the start... it's the right move by a million.'"

• Michael Wilbon on Fairness in Golf:
  "[30:04] 'Whenever you watch track and field in the Olympics... you don't give someone a staggered start.'"

• Ann Hornaday on "All the President's Men":
  "[46:07] 'It has been a wonderful dive into that creative process and just the genius that went into making that movie.'"

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This episode of "The Tony Kornheiser Show" offers a rich blend of sports commentary, cinematic exploration, and community engagement, providing listeners with insightful discussions and personal connections that highlight Tony's distinctive perspective and his guests' expertise.

Transcript

[Tony Kornheiser]

Hey, it's Tony. On today's show, we will talk with Steve sands about Rory McIlroy skipping the memorial. And we will catch up with Ann Hornaday about the project she's been working on over the last year. And also about what are the big movies coming out this summer. But first, let's do some commerce at Designer Shoe Warehouse. We believe that shoes are an important.

[Steve Sands]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Ann Hornaday]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Michael Wilbon]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Michael Wilbon]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Michael Wilbon]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Michael Wilbon]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Unknown]

Previously on the Tony Korneiser Show.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You cannot continue on the sidewalk, which I believe is a public thoroughfare. The sidewalk. You cannot on the sidewalk because this guy parks his Tesla so it covers the sidewalk, covers the end of the driveway and forces you to go into the street. While he may or may not be charging his car, I find this incredibly obnoxious.

[Unknown]

The Tony Kornheiser show is on now.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And we got. In response to that, we got a number of emails saying, I think I know that car is the license plate ad and no, it's not.

[Unknown]

No different one.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's a different one. I'm sure a lot of people do this. Michael, your position is that Tesla's always have. That there's always been.

[Ann Hornaday]

There's always playful license plates.

[Unknown]

Yeah, like a punnell.

[Ann Hornaday]

Batteries, gas.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, yeah, stuff like that. So anyway, I didn't go by this morning. I went a different route this morning, so I didn't see if the car was out. A lot of small things to talk about. First of all, grateful to Rob Stronach who sent in a note yesterday A text to me saying that Tufts. That when they won the D3 lacrosse championship, they did not beat Dennison.

[Unknown]

Yes, we got a correction.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They did not beat your school. They beat Dickinson. Yes, Dickinson is the alma mater of. My old sportswriter friend from the New York Daily News, Dave Hershey and his wife, Jerry Hershey. I believe Dickinson is in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. It's nowhere near Denison, which is in Ohio.

[Unknown]

It's in Ohio.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. It's Dickinson that lost that game. Yeah.

[Unknown]

We'd never. Yeah. Dennison would never lose by that many.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Go. Never actually get into the finals, Right.

[Unknown]

No, actually, it's not. It's a pretty good lacrosse program, as I recall. I don't know where it stands now, but they've done quite well in years.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Tufts did win.

[Unknown]

Tufts did win.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They beat a D3D school, but it was not Denison Dickinson.

[Unknown]

Denison.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes. I. We're not going to talk about the hockey or the basketball today because we have Ann Hornaday and we have Steve Sands. So I'll just bring you up to date on the basketball and the hockey. I believe I had that. I said yesterday on the PTI show that the only series I looked at, Wilbon, because Wilbon always says I can't pick. They're too good. It's gonna go seven. I just don't know. And everything to him is gonna go seven. Well, things don't go seven. These two went five. I said that the only series that was extant. Is that the right word, Michael? The only series that was extant that could go six was the New York Knicks and the Indiana Pacers, which will be played tonight. The others, I thought would all be over. Now. I got a little bit worried because I watched the first period of the hockey and the Florida Panthers were down two. Nothing. So I was thinking of things I would have to say today to say, well, I got that one.

[Ann Hornaday]

The most dangerous lead in hockey.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Come on. But. Right. Thank you, Bernie Wolf. But in fact, Florida, the Florida Panthers won that and will go to the Stanley cup for the third straight year, which is highly unusual. Yeah, they've won one, They've lost one. We'll see what happens. That's real hockey country, this one. Yeah. So. Well, you'd be surprised how many Canadians live in South Florida.

[Ann Hornaday]

Well, compared to the Blackhawks.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, you would. You would. You would be surprised. Certainly in the winter, not necessarily in the summer, but there's a large.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Canadian population down there. The basketball was easy. The basketball was easy. I mean, Oklahoma City came out and just destroyed the Minnesota. Minnesota Had I watched the first quarter? There was no reason to watch after that. In fact, there was no reason to watch after 197 when Minnesota called a timeout. Minnesota had open shots. They missed everything. I believe they hit their first three. I think they went up three. Nothing and then they didn't make it. Do you have any points they had in the first quarter? They had nine. This the NBA team in the, in the, in the conference finals? Yeah, they had nine points in the first quarter. So that was, that was terrible. And Julius Randle, you have no choice now but to trade him. He was awful. You have a box on that. You have a box. Julius Randle in the first quarter, missed about five. Right? Harrison, you watched that game, missed about five in the first quarter. They just didn't hit anything afterwards. Anthony Edwards said, no one's going to work harder than me. It's not about work. No one says you don't work hard. It's not about that. Your team's not. You can work 24 hours a day. Your team has constituted is not as good as that team. That's a better team.

[Unknown]

Randall, 8 for 14, 24 points.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, then he got better. He got better as time went on because in the first quarter he was terrible. He did nothing. How many did Edwards have?

[Unknown]

7 of 18. 1 for 7 from 3. 19.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He had no series.

[Unknown]

Jordan Esque.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He had no series. And Wilbond keeps saying he's a superstar. He's not. He's not yet. He could be. He's a great scorer. He's a star. Don't tell me he's a superstar. What does he won? He has not won anything. So we. I was right on. Both of those made me happy. I was 30 points in the second quarter. It was a non game. Two other things to say. Well, three other things to say. I was going to be out in Delaware this weekend and we were going to have my high school friends play golf Thursday, Friday, Saturday. But the weather forecast was dire for out there. So we, you know, they said we'll come another time. We're going to do it in late July and early August and it's fine. But one of the things that was going to happen was my friend Bobby Kandel, who had told me that he, he loved the coffee ice cream from Leopold's in Savannah, Georgia. He was going to have coffee ice cream shipped to the house in Delaware. And when we changed off, he said, I'll just ship it to DC and got a notice yesterday or two days ago. Got a notice. It would arrive on Thursday, which is today. It arrived yesterday. It had enough dry ice in it that it was fine. Three pints, I believe, of coffee ice cream and maybe two of coffee chip ice cream, which are in a freezer right now.

[Ann Hornaday]

Yeah, Coffee chocolate chip. I'm looking at their flavors.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay. Coffee chocolate chip. And I'm very excited to taste them. But Bobby wanted me to try them last night as soon as it got there. And I said, no, it's not a nice no. I was going. Right. I was going to try it on Thursday. Today is Thursday, so I will try it today.

[Unknown]

Can't throw the plan off.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You know, I am.

[Ann Hornaday]

What are your thoughts on a. On a butter pecan? I'm not a big load of roasted Georgia pecans.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, I'm not a big. I don't. I used to pronounce some pecans. I was. Thought it was pecans. I'm. I've never been a big pecan guy. Do you like that?

[Ann Hornaday]

No, I just. I thought that might.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, this is Leopold, so if it's really good.

[Ann Hornaday]

So I was.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Do you think anybody in Savannah listens to this show?

[Ann Hornaday]

I'm sure they do.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You do? But when I heard Guthrie listens. I don't.

[Ann Hornaday]

When I heard of Leopold's ice cream, like that sounds very familiar. And then I was reminded it's the ice cream shop in the Hilton Head Airport. The Savannah Hilton Head Airport.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, so you've had it.

[Ann Hornaday]

No, I've never had it. I see it all the time.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay. All right, so we'll see on that. That's. That's.

[Ann Hornaday]

I'm sure you want to give three kids a scoop of ice cream before they get on an hour and a half flight.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Would that be bad for them?

[Ann Hornaday]

They're just going to get it all over their clothes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, well, you have clothes from Johnny O and you get more. They are the best. Ready for summer, kids?

[Ann Hornaday]

Doesn't feel like summer here, but.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, it's cold. No, but next week's gonna be 90, so there's gonna be no spring. It's just gonna go from there never is to 90. I got this note. I went to the office yesterday. And when I go to the office, Bonnie has lined up a lot of mail for me and I have to sign things and return them of people you know, wedding invitations, graduations. Fine, happy to do it. No problem at all. One of the notes I got was from Michael Kinslinger and Bill Horner, who have sent notes before. And it just Sundays, with the 62nd anniversary of Gordon Cooper's solo flight we thought it appropriate to honor that milestone. This happened on May 15th in 1963. And here is the milestone, and here's how we honor it. But on that glorious. All right, I'll get to the end when I get to the end. But on that glorious day in May 1963, Gordo Cooper went higher, farther and faster than any other American. 22 complete orbits around the world. He was the last American ever to go into space alone. And for a brief moment, Gordo Cooper became the greatest pilot anyone had ever seen. Now, I don't know this for a fact, but I believe that is either the ending of the book, the Right Stuff, or the ending of the movie the Right Stuff. The Right Stuff is one of the greatest movies ever made. It tells the story of the Mercury astronauts, Right? Our first group of astronauts. Headline by Alan Shepard, the first American to go into space. And John Glenn, the first American to orbit in space. There's Wally Schirra, there's Deke Slayton, there's Gordon Cooper. There are a couple that I'm missing. Not all survived. There were accidents in the program after this. Gus Grissom. So if you have not seen that movie, see that movie. It is. It is. It will give you an enormous sense of pride in American technology, heroism and accomplishment. It's a great, great movie. And in that movie, the pilot, the test pilot that all of these astronauts revered more than anyone. That guy. Give us his name.

[Unknown]

Why am I facing it?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, you got to know this. Chuck Yeager.

[Unknown]

Yes. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Chuck Yeager's the greatest test pilot of all time. Yes, Chuck Yeager's in the movie. He plays a bartender in the hangout where all the astronauts were. And it is, again, it is a great movie. So see it. Have you seen. Oh, it's a great book. It's.

[Ann Hornaday]

Tom, tried reading it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, it's a great book. Great movie. Really is. By the way, you think you can write Tom Wolf.

[Unknown]

This is the seventh. Scott Carpenter. Gordo Cooper, John.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Scott Carpenter is one. I forget all the time.

[Unknown]

Gus Grissom. Wally. Alan Shepard, Deke Slayton. And this list. Kyle Finnegan. Was he an alternate?

[Tony Kornheiser]

He saved it. He had to come in for a save at one point. I got one other thing that I think we should talk about. Yesterday I was on a call with Daniel and we were going over what the show would be. This call about 11:00 in the morning. And Daniel says, well, we're going to do the basketball, we're going to do the hockey. This is from. From two Days ago. Because I'm talking about yesterday. Now. Yesterday is Wednesday. Pitches Wednesday on a call, right? And he says, and we got three other possible stories, and you can pick the story. I can pick the story because Wilbur doesn't know what's going on. He shows up. He shows up. He's ready to go, but he doesn't actually know the show. I know the show. I am much more anal retentive to Wilbourne and much more obsessive compulsive woman has none of those characteristics at all. So I said, what are the stories? So. Well, one of the stories is there's a change in, you know, the golf. The change. We'll talk to Sands about this a little bit. There's a change in the golf, and you don't get the ten stroke lead. And I said, look, I hated the ten stroke lead. I was against it all the time. That's an okay story, but there's plenty of time. The. The Tour Championship doesn't go till August or September.

[Ann Hornaday]

You got five months.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. So we. We don't, you know, don't worry about it. We don't have to do that. What's the other story? Well, the other is there's a change in the college football players. What's the change? Well, there'll be five champions and then 11 wild cards. And I go, we're in the weeds on this. Nobody understands this. It is the complete province of the committee. And just. No, I don't want to do it. What's the other story? Oh, Terry Bradshaw said some critical things about Aaron Rodgers. So what did he say? Here's what he said. He said, this is a joke that Pittsburgh is pursuing Aaron Rodgers. Said Aaron Rodgers should stay in California and chew on Bart. Okay, this is. So I said what? I said, oh, we're gonna do that. We should lead with that. This Terry Bradshaw, he won four Super Bowls in Pittsburgh. He's one of the most beloved players in Pittsburgh Steeler history, if not the most, because he's been on TV for 40 years. The Fox show's on over 30 years. Every. People love Terry Bradshaw. Yes. And he said of Aaron Rodgers, who has won a Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers, who is a dead solid lock to be in the same hall of fame as Terry Bradshaw, he said of him he should chew on bark. That's just. It's simply amazing. It's the greatest corner. I just sort of assume that all these guys are tight. You know, they're all great quarterbacks. They know each other. They're in a club. You imagine Somebody saying that about Brady can't say that we think of that.

[Ann Hornaday]

You'd also just think for somebody who is one of the faces on one of the most recognizable Sunday shows that you would not say anything that is that specific about a current player.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, of course not. Of course not. It's fantastic. You should chew on bark. It's fantastic. Now, Wilbourne and I have differing views of whether or not the Steelers should try and get Aaron Rodgers. Wilmot hates Aaron Rodgers. He's hate him since he's a Packer. Calls him a cheesehead, can't stand him. Begrudgingly Says he was a great quarterback, but he hates him. I like him. I said on the air, I said, I know he's an egomaniac. I know he places his own interest above everybody else on the team. I know he's complete prima donna, but I saw him throw last year with the Jets. I thought he could still throw. I thought he was still pretty good. Aaron Rodgers. And so the question for me was, do you want Aaron Rodgers or Mason Rudolph, who I'm sure is a fine family man, but I would rather have Aaron Rodgers as my quarterback. So Wilbond screamed about it and just went on and on.

[Ann Hornaday]

But that is a great Week 1 matchup.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They play Pittsburgh at Jets. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Rogers would probably retire after that game. Probably want to play in that game. But I mean that, you know, that's. Ding, ding, ding. You're gonna do that story. Oh, every time that's Terry Bradshaw saying this. It's not some guy, you know, some rum dum. No, this guy with four rings in Pittsburgh. Terry Bradshaw. Anyway, that's the beginning of the show today. I will tell you for those people who care. After the show, I will go out and plant some zucchini. Not in seeds. We'll see if the seeds come up. Because I was told yesterday, don't worry about when you plan. It's going to take two months. Two months, you know.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So it's warm through October.

[Ann Hornaday]

Yeah, that. I mean, that's the reminder. We have a. Our growing season extended by a full month.

[Unknown]

So we're thinking like an August harvest then for these. June, July.

[Tony Kornheiser]

August. September, even. Okay, well, if they come out. If they come out, we'll see. We'll see how it works. Is the An Horn a day next or Steve Sands?

[Unknown]

Steve Sands.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Steve Sands. When we return, I'm Tony Kornheiser.

[Michael Wilbon]

You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser Show.

[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Unknown]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Ann Hornaday]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

This is a song called if I Fall in Love with youh by Terry St. Clair. And if you wonder, will Terry St. Clair be any good? Well, Michael Granberry sent the music. Michael Granberry is hitting a thousand. Okay, so Terry St. Clair is lovely and Michael writes the dictionary defines busker as a person who performs music or other entertainment in the street or another public place for monetary donations. That may be technically accurate, but in the case of Terry St. Clair, it barely scratches the surface. I first heard Terry in 2009 when my wife and I were visiting London and found ourselves drawn romantically to a magical voice in Covent Garden. Terry happened to be singing if I fall in love with you. We stayed for the rest of Terry's set, and then I asked for Terry's card, which I'm so happy I did, for we have been in touch ever since. I soon learned I am hardly the first person to have been drawn to Terry's music. If I fall in love with you as part of the soundtrack of a Kevin Costner movie called the Upside of Anger, co starring Joan Allen, Terry has given his permission in the email below for you to play if I Fall in Love and Our Time Tonight, which in honor of songs sung to women named Suzanne. Thank you forever, Leonard Cohn. I wish to dedicate to my beloved sister Suzanne, who celebrated her birthday on May 27th. This guy can sing. And Michael Granberry has another hit, and it plays in Steve Sands. And this week is the Memorial. And I mean, it's one of those tournaments like the Arnold Palmer at Bay Hill because it's Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer. It's one of those tournaments that people pay attention to. It's not a major, but it's something that people pay attention to often because Jack Nicklaus at some point in the telecast on Saturday or Sunday, shows up in the booth and begins to talk, and he is, after all, Jack Nicklaus. Rory's not playing in this thing. Nicholas was asked about it a few days ago, and if I'm not mistaken, Steve basically said, look, I love Rory. I'm not going to say anything bad about Rory. People have to make their own schedules. I understand that. But yeah, I was a little surprised. Do you have. You have thoughts on this Rory not playing at a tournament that he plays in almost all the time?

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah, I don't love it. I also don't love the fact that he didn't let Jack know beforehand. I think that, you know, when you are a certain stature, when you are a certain person in a sport, especially an individual sport, and you're Rory McElroy, you're one of the faces of it, and you have that type of stature, I think that you probably want to let Jack know beforehand that you're not going to go and tell him why. And I think that in golf, you do get to make your own schedule. You do get to pick and choose which tournaments you go to. But you also have a responsibility to the sport. I used to tell you all the time, Tony, if you remember when Tiger was number one, I used to be amazed at his understanding of the responsibility of the position he was in in the game. I think Rory understands his position in the game. But when you don't talk for four days at the PGA Championship, just because you're upset with the PGA of America and the USGA for what happened with that driver after winning the career grand plan at the Masters, and you're talking about, you need signature events. This is one of the things that kept guys from going to live. And now you've missed your second straight one. You didn't play at Hilton Head. He didn't play this week and not playing this week. I think that you've got to take a leadership role when you are Rory McIlroy a little bit stronger and a little bit more seriously than he took it in the last week or so. And I love the kid, but I think that. I think that you really need to let Jack Nicklaus, the greatest player in the history of the sport, know beforehand that you're not going to play and let him know why.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So I feel exactly as you feel. And I also. And you know, looking at this from 30,000ft, and all the things that Rory, within the last 12 months has seen said publicly, many of them, including his personal life and the struggle to win the Masters and winning the Masters and getting the career Grand Slam, and then at the next major, not talking, just not talking. And now doing this, like, for me, I think, wow, is there some sort of implosion going on in the life of Rory McIlroy? Or is it just as simple as, I'm angry you ruled my driver illegal. And because you ruled my driver illegal, you cast a doubt as to what I did in Augusta. Which do you think it is?

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah, I think it's the latter, because I think because he spoke before the PGA Championship started, you know, he did his media duties on Tuesday and Wednesday, and then once the driver thing happened, he chose not to speak. Now it is their prerogative. It is not mandatory on the PGA Tour. You could debate whether it should be like it is the other sports, and you'll get fined if you do not speak. You can debate that all day long. I don't think it should be mandatory. I think it should just be part of being a professional golfer on the PGA Tour level, especially when you're you know, someone like Rory McElroy, but he was very upset, and rightfully so, with the PGA of America and the usga. We talked about this.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

After the pga, they did not protect the player. In this particular case, they didn't protect Rory, and that's really, really bad. By the PGA of America and the usga, however, you need to be able to compartmentalize a little bit, play your round of golf, and then go speak to the media, because that's what you do. That's who you are. And Rory is so good at it, has always been so good at it and so good with it, which is everybody isn't being good at it. And he chose not to. And he chose not to because he was upset with those two entities in the game. And again, that's completely understandable, but you've got to be able to separate the two.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, I. I think we're on the same page on this. If you're going to check drivers, check everybody's driver. Don't just selectively check that. Don't do that, because it hangs somebody out to dry. Check them all, right? Check them all.

[Michael Wilbon]

It makes no sense. And we talked about this the day after the pga, when Scotty won, Michael chimed in. Me, you, the three of us. It's insane to me that you would only check a third of the field. It's insane to me that a name would get leaked out when others are not. And then after the PGA Championship, you hear that Scottie Scheffler's driver was also checked, which is totally fair because that's under the rules. And his driver was taken away, which, again, is totally fair. And Scotty. Not a word all week about Scotty. So how did that leak out? How did that happen? That's just really, really wrong. Again, the player has got to be protected here. However, I do think it's a separate issue whether you talk to the media or not, and I understand why he didn't. But I do think you need to separate those two issues and still do your job.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Scheffler looked dominant, obviously, in the PGA event, and Rahm and DeChambeau receded a little bit on Sunday. Which, you know that. That just revives the whole live thing, right, that you don't play 72. And it's. It's not as hard to win. Right?

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah. I mean, it's. But again, Tony, you know, these things are incredibly difficult. To win only four times a year, and you've got to be able to play well, timing wise, have the brakes go your way, that kind of thing. And Brooks koepka won the PGA champion kill two years ago. Bryson DeChambeau is the defending champion when we go to Oakmont in a couple of weeks. Those guys are live players. I think that rom I said this to you last time when we were at the Olympics. You know, Jon Rahm was leading by three on the back nine and completely collapsed. He was leading. He was tied for the lead, I believe, after the 11th hole on Sunday at Coil Hollow with Scotty Shevla.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

Completely collapsed. You know, one time is an offering. You know, a couple of times in a row, maybe three times. You're starting to see a pattern. So let's see how John does the next time he's in a big spot. It could happen. By the way, at Oakmont. He's a U.S. open champion at Torrey Ponds to go along with his Masters win from a few years ago. So John, Ron's a great, Great player. Top 10 player in the world. Forget the official work off ranking. You know, they don't count the LIV guys, but he is a top 10 player for sure in the world, maybe even top five player in the world. But the last two times he's had a chance to close a big event, he's not. Not faltered. Not, not one. He collapsed.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, he went down the drain at Quail Hollow.

[Michael Wilbon]

And in pairs.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. All right, I'll move on to the new rule with the Tour finals. I think you and I agree with this. They're not going to have that 10 stroke lead anymore. They're not going to give award strokes because you did something well earlier. They're going to do the same thing, which is say this is our final and all 30 guys in it start at the same line and end at the same line. I think I looked at Wilbon yesterday, said, I don't know about that. I said, you don't know? You mean you don't know. What are you talking about? You cannot stagger the start. You could not give Carl Lewis A 15 meter head start in 100 meter rigs. Crazy. So I've. Wilbourne made me nuts by saying that. But how do, how do you feel about it? I think it's the right move by a million.

[Michael Wilbon]

I totally, 100% agree with you. Whenever you watch track and field in the Olympics and you see the, you know, the guys on the track, you brought Carl Lewis, I remember when they started this thinking, wait a second. If you don't know the rules and you know, in the way that physics work in track and field, that the guy in the staggered start is still running the same exact distance, but it just looks goofy at the start because they're so far ahead. And you saw that in golf, you'd be like, what are you, out of your mind? You can't give somebody a staggered start. You can't give somebody a lead before he starts. You don't give. The Patriots don't get a 7 nothing start over the Giants just because they're undefeated. And it's like, wait a second, that's crazy. And then it played out and it really wasn't that big of a deal. And then a couple of times in the last six years, the guy who played the best over 72 holes, score wise, did not end up winning the 72 hole event. I think the players are like, wait a second. It doesn't make a lot of sense. And it really doesn't. And thank goodness it's 72 holes. Stroke play. Best player wins over the four days start at zero, which is the way you're supposed to start sports. I think it's a tremendous move. And thank goodness they finally, you know, came to their senses and did it this way, because that sports. You start at zero. By the way, all 30 players at East Lake should have a chance to win. That's what I think to get into.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They got there.

[Michael Wilbon]

It's the hardest event to get into. It should be, you know, you should have the ability to win it all if you actually achieve that goal of getting to Eastlake and the Tour Championship. So I'm really glad they did. It's going to be a regular. We do the event this August. You know, the playoffs change every year between NBC and cbs. We have it this year, and we're very happy.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Good. You get a real live event with a real live finish line.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yes. The staggered start thing was ridiculous. I agree with you 100%.

[Tony Kornheiser]

All right, we're getting away from golf now. We're getting to the most important thing. It's the Washington commander's name story in the Post the other day. That, that. It's spiking now, people. I hate the name. Me, personally. It's spiking now. They went from 25% approval to over 50% approval. And. And many more people love the name. Claim they love the name. This is obviously not due to the name. It's due to the fact that Jaden Daniels took them all the way to the, you know, to the conference finals. But what are your thoughts about the name and. And the sudden and massive acceptance of it?

[Michael Wilbon]

You know, I'M not conflicted by it. I mean, I'm 56 years old, born and raised in D.C. it's my favorite team in my favorite sport of anything. There's no question about that. I still call them the Skins. I know that the full name is offensive to some, so I choose not to say that out loud when I'm there. But that's the name that I grew up with. That's the name I used to sing, you know, Httr.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

To my kids when went. When they went to bed. You know, I look at that name, Tony, as a football team in Washington. I don't look at it as anything discriminatory. However, when all that came about, I was like, okay, whatever. And then they changed the name to the Commanders. And I'm with you. I think the name stinks. I can't stand it. But I understand why it's more popular now than it was a year and a half ago.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

Josh Harris, Adam Peters, Dan quinn, Jaden Daniels. NFC title game, first time in 30 years. All of a sudden, we're alive again. And I understand the popularity of it. It'll never be normal to me to say the commanders, because 56 years is a long time. You know, I like football team better than I like Commanders.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I do, too.

[Michael Wilbon]

I love the team. I love the team. I love the organization. I love the direction they're going in. I love the fact that they're trying to get back to the RFK site in the city where they belong. I love everything about what's going on with that franchise. I wish they could change the name back. I understand why they can't. But the Commanders is still very awkward to anybody of my age and above. It's a very strange thing to say Commanders and not Skins.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And of all the things you love, you love sports, and we know that. And you hate Duke.

[Michael Wilbon]

You know what? I really do. No offense to Michael. I know there's a family lineage there with Duke, but. Yeah, I just hate Duke.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Thank you, Steve.

[Michael Wilbon]

I mean, what's to like?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Steve Sands, boys and girls.

[Michael Wilbon]

I'm so happy. I'm the only guy in Washington happy that we didn't win the NBA lottery, so I didn't have to root for Cooper Flag. I get to now root against him for the rest of my life, which. Which makes me happy.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So such a fan theory. Thank you, Steve. Talk soon.

[Michael Wilbon]

All right, guys, begin.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Steve Sands, boys and girls. We'll take a break. Anne Hornaday will join us. We'll talk about summer blockbusters. If they still exist and what Ann has been doing for the last year or so. I'm Tony Kornheiser.

[Steve Sands]

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[Michael Wilbon]

You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Once again. This is Terry St. Clair, who Michael Granberry bumped into in Covent Gardens in London and said, wow, this guy is great. Someday I'll send his music to a podcast, even though podcasts were not invented at that time. This is a song called Our Time Tonight. You can listen to Terry without me interrupting him at the end of the show. Michael, if people like Terry Sinclair, independent artists want to send in their music for us to play or send it to Michael Granberry for him to send us. How do they do it?

[Ann Hornaday]

Send us some music by emailing it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

To [e-mail] Terry St. Clair plays in Anne Hornaday we are past Memorial Day. This is summer blockbuster season. As you know, I haven't been to the movie theater in five or six years and I doubt I'm ever going.

[Ann Hornaday]

To go take the grandkids to Minecraft.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Is that. Did I go to that?

[Ann Hornaday]

No, I'm saying you could take the grandkids to settle down.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Do you think so? I don't think so. I don't know. I would leave them there. I would walk out, but I'd come back and get them when the movie was over. The concept of summer blockbusters, if I credit Jaws was Jaws the first in your mind? I mean, you know, what was the first or the second or the third or whatever? And is it the same now because people don't go to the theater as much. Is it the same?

[Unknown]

Excuse me.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Take all the time you need to cough. We don't edit it out. People are going to be happy listening to you cough. Or do you want to just stop.

[Unknown]

For a while and come back maybe? Sorry.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay.

[Unknown]

Sorry about that, guys.

[Tony Kornheiser]

We'll cut some of it out. No, we won't.

[Unknown]

Oh, my God. I got so excited by the question.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Oh, Lord, I'm verkloned. Oh, I can't wait to answer this. You know, there's a debate, there's a reasonable argument that we always did have blockbusters. You know, movies like Gone with the Wind and Cleopatra and those big biblical epics. I mean, those could all safely be called blockbusters, right? It is said the conventional wisdom is that Jaws in 75 and then Star wars in 77. Sorry for my voice. Ushered in what you just talked about. This, the summer blockbuster, the seasonal thing, right. And it made Hollywood make them on purpose. So now we have a genre called blockbuster, you know, because before that, if a movie turned into a blockbuster, it was called a blockbuster, but it wasn't. It didn't. It wasn't made to be a blockbuster.

[Tony Kornheiser]

But was it. Was there always a concept that there's. We make a different kind of movie in the summertime because we have a wider available audience. We know what they are. They might be younger. We're gonna, we're gonna go for that audience. Or did that just sort of evolve?

[Unknown]

That evolved. And I think you could argue that Jaws was definitely a big part of that. It's funny because I'm writing an essay right now about Jaws because we're doing a package about the 50th anniversary where I really, I feel like it has become kind of part of that lore of Jaws created this. You know, it created. You know, in fact, for a lot of us, it's to blame, right? You know, for kind of super sizing movies and making it all about the effects. And when you look at Jaws, it's just the opposite. It's just a really good movie. And the genius of it wasn't the shark, it was the men. It was the characters and it was the realism of it and the kind of low tech analogness of it. And the fact that they did film it on a real ocean, not a tank, you know, so it kind of. It's sort of an example of exactly what Hollywood should have. You know, I wish they'd paid more attention to which was the fundamentals of filmmaking rather than the bells and all the whistles and all the, you know, chasing the effects. So I don't think we Can. I don't think it's fair to necessarily lump it in with, you know, the things that ruin movies. But the fact that it was such a runaway success, I mean, it was just such a huge, huge success that that's what, you know, that's what Hollywood took away from it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Got one of the 10 greatest lines in history. I think we're gonna need a bigger bow. Everybody, everybody knows that line. So what I've got in front of me is there, there's a Mission Impossible coming out, there's a Jurassic World something or other coming out. There's a Superman coming out. We get these in the summer rather than in the winter. Are you interested in any of them?

[Unknown]

No. And that's what I mean. And you know, you mentioned Superman. Superman. People don't, people don't include Superman. So Jaws comes out in 75, Star Wars 77, and then Superman, Superman comes out in 78. And I kind of feel like that's just as much a part of this story as those other two movies. And here we go again. And I really am superheroed out. I'm comic booked out. I'm just exhausted by all of it. I really am. And I'm just waiting. I don't know. I mean, I don't know when all of that is going to be exhausted because it doesn't seem to be anytime soon.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, that's, that's what I would ask. I mean, it's about making money. If these things didn't make money, you wouldn't keep getting them, right? So they must do.

[Unknown]

Well, that. And also, you know, what I'm discovering, Tony, is when I talk to young filmmakers, we're now at the point where this is what they were raised on, you know, and so this is what they think movies are. They don't you. And I came of age cinematically in the 60s and 70s where there was such a diverse slate of tones and genres and subject matter. And you know, yeah, we had the big commercial kind of, you know, not particularly deep movies that were hugely entertaining, but we also had, you know, paranoid thrillers and character driven dramas and, you know, sophisticated, you know, Woody Allen comedy. You know, there was just a more, there was more diversity. But I think what really concerns me is that the kids that are coming up don't know, you know, they, they, they may not, they might not have been steeped in all of that. And they just think this is what movies are and so they're going to make more of them or they're going to aspire to make more of them?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, we just, we had an. I didn't watch the Oscars. You know, I hadn't seen any of the movies.

[Michael Wilbon]

Right.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Some of the movies that won I had honestly not even heard of. And I used to love movies. And I just spent like the beginning of this show talking about the right stuff and what a great movie it was. And I didn't. I didn't know what they were and I didn't care about them and don't and feel free to hurt my feelings. Is this just because I now represent an old age demographic that nobody cares about anyway? Or in fact, are the movies, and I'm not gonna say not as good, but they're not as pervasive, not. Not as important, not as socially moving the needle as they used to?

[Unknown]

I think I. Well, I'm with you. I mean, I do think that we're aging out of, you know, like when everything everywhere all at once won. I realize, like, oh, this is so not made for me. You know, I mean, just the grammar of it, you know, the actual visual language of it is so chaotic and pinging around. And I'm thinking like, that is for a generation that grew up pinging around and scrolling and double screening and, you know, they just have a different attention span. So I think that's true to a certain extent. But I do agree with you that the. And this gets back to the 70s era where we had this. Kind of the reason why that was such an interesting era was that you had kind of classical narrative filmmaking. You know, people like the Sydney Lumettes and Sidney Pollock's and Alan Pakula's making movies about cutting edge material, you know, topical, timely content. And it was a marriage made in heaven, you know, and that's why I feel like we just got these great movies out of that because they were making things of substance and that resonated with the culture. And now I just feel like that if we're going to see stuff like that, it's more likely to be on television and in series, you know, And I think that's what I am missing is, you know, my favorite movie of the year last year was this movie called September 5th, which actually I would send you to. You know, it's streaming now. It's about the Munich Olympics, but it's not about the act. It's about how ABC Sports covered that event and how it invented a grammar, it invented a way, it kind of. That's how we, you know, that's how the news then covered, you know, those event, those real time Events from there forward. And that was all Roon Arledge. I mean that, you know, so it's inadvertently. He helped kind of invent a way of doing news which I think that would interest you on so many different levels and it's so well done. But those things are rare, you know, those kinds of movies that are really engaging us intellectually at the same time as just being incredibly well made and great entertainment.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I want to go back on something you just said, that you find that now more in television shows than in movies. Can you explain why and does that disturb you? Because television shows, movies are a one time event. Television shows ask for more of your time than that.

[Unknown]

That's right. And I think, you know, movies.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Even.

[Unknown]

I mean, I guess I'm thinking of television shows like the Soprano, you know, the TV shows that do become collective cultural events. You know, we call it the water cooler thing. I don't want to take, you know. Yes they do. They have the chance to become that and people tune in for the finale and it's a big talker. But that still isn't the same as that, like what you just said, you know, that one time unitary event that we all go to. Jaws being a big one, where the pleasure of it is that, you know, that's part of the aesthetic experience is just the experience of seeing it with a bunch of people and just being in on this huge cultural moment together. And it doesn't, you know, it can be just something as thrilling as Jaws or it can be something as substantive as, you know, something like in all the President's Men, which was about something real and about a real moment in history that we had just been through. And I don't know, I just think that kind of, it's a special kind of power that cinema has that. I mean, I think Oppenheimer and Barbie a few years ago approached that. That was really fun. It was just fun to see people excited about going back to the movies again. And they were really well done and so that was fun. But yeah, I just, it's. I don't want to sound like a, an old, you know what. But it's a little different.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, well, I sound like that all the time. Don't worry about it. I mean, I think a lot of younger people consider the cinema tick tock movies on Cats, you know, because that everything with them is video all the time. It's highlights, it's short, you know. But you mentioned you opened the door for this. I appreciate it. I mentioned all the President's Men and Smart of you to do that because now we can ask. You are tell the people about the project you are doing.

[Unknown]

Oh my gosh, that was so self serving. I apologize.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's okay. But I love the way you did it.

[Unknown]

No, we call that a self serving segue to the left. Yes, I've been for the last year, about year and a half I've been working on a book about the making of all the President's Men, which is a subject near and dear to my heart. It's a movie that I adore. And of course being at the Post, that's it gives it an extra frisson of personal interest. And it's just been, it's just been a wonderful dive into, into that, into that creative process and just the genius that went into making that movie.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So I guess I'm curious about this because it is a movie about a real event with real people and real names and all of that. And it is based, you know, on the reporting done by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein. I don't know that they had anything to do with the movie. So I'll ask if they did. And I will also ask, have you talked to them at great length?

[Unknown]

They very much did. And that's how this all started. Because Bob Woodward still has one of the copies of the script that he received for his feedback and very kindly and generously shared that with me a few years ago. It was the 50th anniversary of the break in and he brought it into the Post newsroom. I'll never forget it. He brought it in like a giant, you know, CVS pharmacy plastic bag and gave it to one of the editors of the then Sunday magazine who then brought it to me and said, is this interesting? And of course all of the notes on it. And I said, this is the Rosetta Stone. So to your question, yes, they did have a lot of input into the scripts, constantly giving feedback on those drafts. And then Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman were calling them all the way through production to say what happened here? What happened with the bookkeeper? Da da da. How did you do this? So they were along with that production the whole way and they both were very, very generous with their time. When I did that magazine article a few years ago and really sort of sent me on my way. They're the wind beneath my sails on this. And it's just been, it's been a great discovery process. Just absolutely fascinating.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Are there enough people who are still alive who had something to do with that movie that you can talk to them?

[Unknown]

Yes, As a matter of fact, a lot of the supporting players, the actors, especially actresses, we think of it as a kind of a guy's movie with Ben and Bob and Carl. But what do you think of the women? Jane Alexander is that bookkeeper. That is just the most beautiful scene, one of the most perfect scenes ever filmed in movies. To me, Valerie Curtin, who played one of the CREEP employees. Penny Pizer, who's in that fabulous scene at the Kennedy center with dust early on when he's flirting with the secretary to get information on Howard Hunt. Lindsay Krause, who has one of the finest moments in the movie as a colleague of Bob and Carl's, Penny Fuller. So I've talked to all of them. I've talked to as many crew members as I can. The casting director, Alan Shane is still around, God bless him, in his 90s. So, yes. And you know, the fun of this is that everybody's so proud of having been involved with this movie. It's just. It's always nice to talk to people about something they're happy about and proud of. And so it's just been. It's just been great. It's been. It's been nothing. Pleasure.

[Tony Kornheiser]

This period makes me happy to be able to say that there was never an all the President's Men part two.

[Unknown]

Thank goodness. And I might add you, sir. I got to talk to you a few weeks ago about coming into the post on the heels of all of that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I made all that up. I wouldn't use it if I were you.

[Unknown]

You know, Prince a legend, baby, because you gave me, you know, when you describe those days and especially the Ben of it all and the Sally of it all and just, just the swirl of those heady, heady days. It is fantastic. So thank you for that. It's going straight in.

[Tony Kornheiser]

My great pleasure. Thank you for being on the show. Thank you, Ann.

[Unknown]

Thank you, Tony.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Anne Hornaday, boys and girls. We will take a break. We will come back with email and jingle. I'm Tony Kornheiser.

[Unknown]

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[Steve Sands]

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[Michael Wilbon]

You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Here comes Tony's mailbag. Got your emails, taxes, and your notes. Here comes Tony's mail bag. Gonorrhea. Some for all of you going to read. Some for all of you folks. Even though there's an echo chamber there. That is the singular biff. Yes.

[Unknown]

Attention must be paid.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes. Oh, you want to do the Bethesda bagel ad for us, please?

[Unknown]

Bethesda bagels. We love them. You will as well. Just go to bethesdabeagels.com for the location in the DC area nearest you. Then pop on in and you'll be thrilled.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I gave Harrison two bagels yesterday to take one home to his dad. Did you take it home to your dad? Did he eat the bagel? He did, yeah. Did he enjoy the bagel? He did enjoy it.

[Ann Hornaday]

What was the preparation? We go to toast.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He just threw it in the toaster oven.

[Ann Hornaday]

Okay, that's butter, cream, cheese.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't know what he put on it. Were you there? You just don't remember? I don't remember, but I saw him eating it, though. Okay, that's fine.

[Unknown]

That's the. That's the report we need.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes, that's what we need.

[Ann Hornaday]

So wondering where the everything bagel went.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Before we get to the Mavic, Let me just say, everywhere I go, I get slandered, liable. I hear words I never heard in the Bible and I'm one step ahead of the shoe shine. Two steps away from the county line. Just trying to keep my customers satisfied. Satisfied. That's early Paul Simon. That Simon and Garfunkel keep the customers satisfied. It's great song. Thanks to our guests today, Steve Sands and Anne Hornaday. Thanks as well to today's sponsors. Remember, you can listen to us on Apple podcasts, Spotify and Odyssey if you get the show through Apple. Please leave us a review.

[Ann Hornaday]

I just want to say one of the many reasons I love this show is after ranting against a certain dh, you totally ignore him in this open. So well done. Josh built the home run.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I know, but I. I think it's time for the career to move on. You know, I think letters, DFA or in the future. But yeah, he hit a home run and they. And they apparently won this. They certainly scored nine, whereas they had lost. They had given up nine. The game before. Nine. Zip. I believe.

[Ann Hornaday]

I like that you do the season total on it. You say they're one up.

[Tony Kornheiser]

We won up on the. Well, they got. This is the rubber game of state they play again out there. Yeah, I'm not staying up for that.

[Unknown]

No, it's too late.

[Tony Kornheiser]

From Ben Carton. Not Ben Carden, but Ben Carton. I knew it was a long shot to see this name mentioned on pti, but I wanted to share the passing of Tom Brown. A common name, but an uncommon man. Most sports fans are familiar with Bo Jackson, Brian Jordan and Deion Sanders as two sport professional athletes before they took the field. Tom Brown was blazing that trail. He played for the Washington senators in 1963, holding down multiple positions on a team that included names like Don Zimmer, Minnie Minoso and Claude estein. After the 63 season, Brown left baseball to pursue football. Back then, with both the NFL and AFL competing for talent, Brown was drafted by two teams in 1963. The Green Bay Packers 28th overall and the Buffalo Bills, 20th over overall. Packers, of course in the NFL, the Bills in the AFL. He ultimately chose the packers in 1964 and found even greater success on the gridiron as the team starting free safety helped Green Bay win three consecutive championships from 1965 to 1967. In the 1966 NFL championship, he made a game saving interception of Don Meredith in the end zone during the final minute. A play that sealed the victory paved the way to the first Super Bowl. But where I grew up in Salisbury, Maryland, Tom Brown's greatest impact came after his playing days were over. He founded the Tom Brown Rookie League, a youth sports organization for kids aged 5 to 12. At a time when access to organized football or basketball was limited unless you were already talented, Brown created an inclusive league that welcomed everyone. It wasn't just about playing, it was about learning. He often served as referee or umpire and if a kid committed a foul or struck out, he would stop and explain why. He taught as he officiated. What made it magical was how he celebrated those moments. Each weekend, standout players had their names printed in local paper. For a 10 year old, seeing your name in the sports section was pure joy. There are many athletes who give back. Every one of them deserves credit. But I just wanted to make sure Tom Brown received a little recognition. Not just as a pioneer of the two sport athlete, two sport athlete, but as someone who built something meaningful for an entire community. That's lovely. Yes, it is. I was unfamiliar completely with Tom.

[Ann Hornaday]

I love that as a dad.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's really, really nice. From Alex Lau in New York City. As a New York City resident who like Michael, often has to bring a stroller wherever I go. The answer to your problem with Tesla blocking the sidewalk seems obvious to me. Go bang on the person's door incessantly until they answer and yell hey, I'm walking here like Dustin Hoffman did. Walk in here. Ratso Rizzo again and again. Another great movie. Midnight Cowboy. Yeah, until the person moves the car. I'm a little disappointed that a fellow New York native like you did not think of that.

[Unknown]

You know that that scene, that's an improvised line.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I know.

[Unknown]

The cab was great.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Steve the sick of story of the thoughtless idiot Parker who blocked the sidewalk brought back long long day ago days when I had to maneuver a baby stroller around such an obstacle. My solution was, while slightly moving the stroller back and forth to keep baby son happy, let the air out of two tires on the car. That's two, not one. If you do just one, the idiot can use the spare and easily drive to the nearest service station. Admittedly, there's a slight risk of being assaulted, but all great stands for freedom, justice and clear sidewalks require some risk. That's why I love stands.

[Ann Hornaday]

You gotta wait till baby 2 or 3 to be able to do the curb jump with the double stroller.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, yeah. Eric at Earthbrew Compost in Chevy Chase it's not too late for your potatoes. The emailer who planted on St. Patrick's Day harvested in July. You can have a plentiful October, November harvest with those potatoes. Pretend it's 1932. Yes, that's what we should all do. Taking food and growing seriously. Pretend it's 1932, the Great Depression, which we are closer to than we've been in a while. Tom Targonsky, Sioux City, Iowa thanks for the tip on Home Depot for flowers. Like a lot of people, my wife goes flower shopping at this time each year, but never to Home Depot. After a recent episode of your podcast, I told my wife Tony Korniser gets his flowers at Home Depot and says they have good prices. Yes, my wife knows who you are. So off we went to the local Home Depot on Memorial Day weekend. My wife was impressed with your recommendation. Bought a bunch of flowers. I wish I had some funny line to make the story more interesting, but I don't. It's the simple things in life. Jeff Rickson, Fairfax, Virginia your segment with Tony Reality last week brought back fond memories of my own time meeting him at Fordham University. I graduated from Fordham in 2007, and during my four years there, Tony became a fixture of my afternoon sports, viewing both around the Horn and Pardon the Interruption during my junior year, Fordham hosted Charlotte in a men's basketball game that was broadcast on espn. Reali, having worked as a sports reporter for WFUV Fordham University, I assume that means came back to campus to do a radio spot during the game. At one point, Tony came over to the student section, shaking hands and taking pictures with everyone. I've attached a picture of me and my friend Greg with Tony. I'm the one on the right. As Michael said on Tuesday's show, Tony brings a boundless energy and enthusiasm to all of his endeavors. And while I'm saddened to see the end of a round the horn, I know that stat boy will land on his feet somewhere. And P.S. tony Reali is part of an incredible lineage of sports broadcasters who went to Fordham. You mentioned Mike Breen, but two other broadcasters, Fordham alumni, Michael K. Yankees, Play by Play voice, and Vin Scully. Yes, Vin Scully, greatest of all time. Tony Reali is. Yes, boundless enthusiasm. Yes. Right, That's. I think that's fair to say, boundless enthusiasm from Paul Thompson. It probably didn't make SportsCenter this weekend, but on Saturday, Aberdeen pulled off a huge upset by beating Glasgow Celtics in the Scottish football soccer to you guys cup final on Saturday to win the trophy the first time in 35 years. After the game finished 1:1 in 90 and after extra time, Aberdeen won 4 to 3 on penalties. Why am I telling you this? Well, Aberdeen's second penalty in the shootout was scored by Dante Polvara, who was a soccer player at your Georgetown University. Whilst he actually writes. Whilst whilst playing for the Hoyas, he was awarded the Herman Trophy for the best college player in the US he's been at Aberdeen since 2021. Is a huge fan's favorite. Can I put myself forward as the Aberdeen FC correspondent for the show? Paul Thompson? Absolutely, yes, please. Again, Neil Ayervase, he's in everyday. Neil Ayervis.

[Unknown]

Yeah, he's prolific.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Is he helping his clients or is he just listening?

[Unknown]

This might be the correction about Dennison.

[Tony Kornheiser]

My apologies to Nigel. On the one hand, my typo gave credit to Dennison for making the D3 lacrosse finals. Losing school was Dickinson, which we've addressed it. Rob Stronick addressed that. Brandon Borzelli, Lebanon, New Jersey. Sure, you could take the obvious route with the electric car on the sidewalk. You could a take snow shovel to the windshield. You call your local government official. You could even walk over the electric charging cable and simply kick it out of the port. No, this situation calls for something creative, something worthy of scorn, something worthy of the rage you feel seeing this car sitting on the sidewalk. Hook up the little house to the car's charger so that the animals that live there can have their utilities on that house's bill instead of yours. It's a win win. Your bills will go down, this clowns will go up and your animals will be well rested and comfortable as they prepare for the revolution.

[Unknown]

Like that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

From Dennis Bounds in Redmond, Washington. The woman to whom I'm related by marriage and I are at the Nats Mariners game. It's the second inning. Are you asleep yet? Oh yeah. Oh sure. It's like after 10. Oh sure. Mike from Mo Rather, Mo from Wethersfield, Connecticut. I have a very low hit rate on my emails. It's not just below the Mendoza line, it's below the menesses line. But I won't quit. I'll have to be dfa. Love you guys. That's great. Another Fordham alumni of note is Larry Limbo. Larry Lembo was a great official. Great official. He played basketball for them and became a big time referee in college basketball. He was also my gym teacher at Queensborough Community College in 1967. DG, of course. DG Don Hammock. Good morning old sport. All this talk about national championships has me wanting to toot my school's recent repeat. Mississippi Gulf Coast Community Colleges just won its second straight NJCAA Division 2 Men's Golf Championship in Plymouth, Indiana while Stanley Campbell from London, England won medalist to complete a sweep. The Bulldogs golf program has won five individual titles since 2017, and I'd hope you'd consider making them the official junior college golf team of the Tony Kornheiser Show. As I'm the Sid for the school by transit of property. That would make me the official something or other, I'm sure. Isn't that nice? That's really nice. So that's Mississippi Gulf Coast Community College. Mark Hughes, Ashton, Maryland. Next week I will be heading to Falls Road to play a round of golf. As I recall, it was at this course that your exploits as a charter boat captain first came to light here with Neville. Yeah, I do a charter boat. Is there any chance that you'll be holding court in the pro shop, regaling all with tales of the high seas and the mighty fish you landed? If not, I suppose I will have to settle for seeing the first photo of you on the wall with your record breaking sailfish, Dennis from the Rock, Conception Bay, South Newfoundland. Just thought you would like to know. While in Toronto last week visiting my family, we stopped into the Hockey hall of Fame. I was surprised to see they are sponsored by Haribo gummies. All guests upon entry receive a free bag of gummy bears. Wow. Yes. Haribo.

[Unknown]

Well done.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Wow. Yeah. Also Survivor released the its contestants for the upcoming 50th anniversary season, none other than fan favorite and little Rick Divins. Yes.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

We'll be making return to the island.

[Unknown]

Go Rick.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It can't be their 50th anniversary season. No, stop it.

[Unknown]

No, it's 25.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Maybe it's not that much. Is it Survivor?

[Unknown]

Yeah, it was around in the 90s.

[Ann Hornaday]

Super bowl that I went to.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Giant Super Bowl 98, 99.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Really?

[Unknown]

Yeah, something around that 2,050 though. No, it's can't be 25.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, that. Because I mean two a year wasn't. Well, maybe that, but I mean American Idol was before that and American Idols.

[Ann Hornaday]

American Idol was two or three years afterwards.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Really? Yeah.

[Ann Hornaday]

Yeah, that was 2003, I'm guessing.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I remember American Idols, the greatest show ever.

[Unknown]

I was doing. I was doing a radio show morning show that Michael may have heard me on the radio back in the day and we would do Survivor type contests.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Really?

[Unknown]

Yeah. So it was the old 104.14.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Dennis Bounds. We talked to him the other day. Oh, he's okay. Dennis Bounds in Redmond water. I care about the Mariners. I'll be watching those Nats games against Seattle either in person or on television. I miss Dave Sims too. Since the west coast games are too late for you, I'll give you a quick call at the end of the game with a score and a quick raffle. I need your phone number. Cameron Stevens, Sydney, Australia. I'd like to be referred to as J Dub for my future emails. If you had a new bike, tight. Everyone, as always do wear white.

[Michael Wilbon]

Nothing's riding on this except the first amendment, the constitution, institution, freedom of the press and maybe the future of the country. Not that any of that matters, but if you guys up again, I'm gonna get mad.

[I]

Can I help it if I fall in love with you? Can I help it if I think of old you? Do you want me to turn away? Come back again someday? If you don't mind I think I'd rather stay around. There was a time when I I would cry nice for you but now lie awake until the morning is due it's getting harder all the time so when will you be mine? If you don't answer I think I'm gonna cry again I've been through this all before you gone for me now can't you see that I will see through you someh if you can't make up your mind then I will understand can't you see that I beside without you? And I don't mind telling you just how I feel. It's a long way I have come I don't wanna run I feel sure that someday you're gonna love me too. I've been through this all before. You can't move it now. Can you see that I will see through you somehow? If you can't make up your mind then I will understand.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Man.

[I]

Can I help it if I fall in love with you? Can I help it if I think of only you? Do you want me to turn away? Come back again someday? If you don't mind I think I know Father stay around.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I have to.

[I]

Say how much I feel about you but wasn't long can't say what's on my mind I would not tell you lies Love is in your eyes. Other Suzanne this is our time tonight. Other Susan this is our time tonight. You make the best of every situation. You take chances as they come along. If you feel it's right, you just get out and fight. Abba Suzanne this is our time tonight. Abba Suzanne this is our time tonight. There may not be another time so let us make our plans. Tomorrow always comes too soon Is in our hands. Many lovers never come together. They never get into each other's own. They live on broken dreams oh, what it might have been. Abba Susan this is our time tonight. Abba Suzanne this is our time tonight. There may not be another time so let us make our plans. Tomorrow always comes to suit is in our hands. And when I wake up to another.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Morning.

[I]

I want to hold you in my arms again. Life brings on the deer. We go our separate ways. Alba Susan this is our time tonight. Others Suzanne this is our time to.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Dine.

[I]

Suzanne this is our time to die. God brings on the day go our separate ways. Abba Susan this is our time tonight. Susan this is our time tonight.