“Surviving Survivor”

Summary

“Surviving Survivor” – The Tony Kornheiser Show

Episode Date: May 25, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Tony Kornheiser Show weaves together sports, nostalgia, and pop culture, typical of Tony’s distinctive conversational style. The two main segments feature co-host and longtime friend Michael Wilbon, for a celebratory discussion about Northwestern University’s women's athletics, and an interview with Rick Devens—loyal listener and two-time Survivor contestant. Between stories of rain delays, sports media complaints, big wins, lost traditions, and reality TV adventures, Tony and his guests reflect on the passage of time, the changing nature of sports fandom, and the quirks of televised competition—both in stadiums and on deserted islands.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Washington Nationals Recap & Broadcast Delay Frustrations

• Tony mourns the small, passionate Nats fanbase: “There are five people who watch the Nats. Everybody else is watching something else. Those five people are: Alan the socialite...Chris Cillizza...Chuck Todd...Michael and there's me.” (01:20)
• Broadcast delay struggles: Tony is comically out of sync with the action, 20 seconds behind friends:
  “Last night the...Nats had to protect a lead...I get a phone call from Mark Tuohy. ‘Great win.’ What? Because everybody else knows it but me.” (03:57)
• Discussion of the Nats’ improbable win: Drama in the ninth inning, errors and timely relief pitching; Lovelady and Ribalta highlighted as bullpen heroes; extended talk about rain delays and their unpredictable impact.

"I had a terrible weekend because it rained the whole time. I mean, I can't...couldn't play golf. There's nothing I could do. So I was napping and watching television and I didn't know I was 20 seconds late." – Tony Kornheiser (06:38)

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2. The Indianapolis 500 and the Loss of Tradition

• Tony laments missing the Indy 500 – a childhood tradition he accidentally skipped:

  "I never miss it. I missed it yesterday. I didn't realize it was on. I had no idea it was on...I felt terrible because I had missed it because I think it's very important and I missed it." (08:03)

• Reminisces about the era when the Indy 500 and other events were appointment TV, always flagged by newspapers.
• Cultural change: Tony critiques the Washington Post’s diminished local sports coverage and laments the loss of communal sports moments.

  "You take a major city, the capital of the United States of America, and you destroy the sports section. I am so rooting for these other sports sections to bubble up and be successful, but I know I'll never get them delivered to me again." (10:00)

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3. Segment: Michael Wilbon Joins – Northwestern Athletics Glory

• Celebration of Northwestern Women’s Lacrosse (and field hockey, golf):

  • Wilbon describes the thrill of being at the women’s lacrosse championship and the deep pride among alumni.
  • Wilbon: “One of my absolute favorite days of being purple ever...only a couple would be ahead of it.” (14:50)
  • The significance of coach Kelly Amonte Hiller—once the star who won as a player, now the coach.

    “She was the star. She’s the only other person who did it. And now she coached in it. And I was on the field at the end of the game and...had a big hug with her, which was apparently caught on ESPN as well.” (15:33)

  • Riffs on Northwestern’s run as a “juggernaut”—9 titles in 29 years—and the pride of defying so-called “jock” schools:

    “I know the people who consider themselves the great jock schools, they don’t beat her.” (17:17)

  • Wilbon recounts the amazing lakeside field, the “lake show” fan gear, and the communal feeling on campus:

    “That field is the prettiest spot to see an event on TV...it’s like an ad for every 14-year-old girl who wants to come.” (19:39, 19:48)

• Reflection on the shifting sports landscape:
  Both Wilbon and Tony admit to missing the Indy 500 for the first time—due, they agree, to the death of the era when newspapers and columnists would elevate these events.

  “I think the death of newspapers has something to do with that because newspapers were like the people that covered it and told you it was coming two or three days in advance.” – Michael Wilbon (21:50)

• Golf’s scoring explosion: Scotty Scheffler finishes 25-under and is “not even close” to victory (Tour winner Windham Clark finishes 30-under).

  “Scotty Scheffler finished minus 25...didn’t get a sniff of first or second.” – Tony (22:26)

• Discussion of the “Enhanced Games” (athletics competitions that allow PEDs), which baffle both hosts.

  “It's the new track meet. Swim meet. No, I’m not making this up. It's called the Enhanced Games.” – Tony (24:03)

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4. Guest Interview: Rick Devins – Two-Time Survivor Contestant

Background: Rick Devins, loyal show listener (“Little”) and two-time Survivor participant, joins for a playful and honest conversation.

Getting on Survivor

• Rick describes years of audition tapes and finally getting cast after ten years, thanks to his tape filmed at the news desk—co-anchor rolling her eyes:

  “It’s like the Hunger Games before you even get on the show.” (29:08)

  • The process includes psych tests, producer interviews, and, finally, meeting host Jeff Probst.

The Reality of Reality TV

• Surprises:
  “The thing that really shocked me is...they never miss any strategy talk. But when you go to a challenge, it is a wall of people, production people, hundreds of them...kids running around—where are these little kids coming from out here in Fiji?” (31:13)
• Career Impact:
  “It was a huge career benefit, especially when I was on the news, because it was just a huge amount of exposure and it did go so well for me the first time.” (32:23)
• On wanting to go back:
  “I wanted it so badly. Embarrassingly badly. Honestly, it had been seven years. It was the greatest adventure ever...” (33:22)

Survivor: Fantasy vs Reality

• Discusses the weirdness of intense deprivation—while knowing civilization is just out of sight:

  “The nicest yacht you’ve ever seen drives by...somebody's having breakfast and a mimosa...We're over here...trying to peel out the non rotten parts of a coconut.” (36:15)

• On the emotional itch of returning:
  “I just have an empty hole in me that needs attention and praise. You know, can’t fill it up no matter what...” (34:50)
• Recognized by fans:
  “Yeah, it happens a lot, especially when the season’s airing...my family and I went to Disneyland...100 pictures out there of me just meeting people in line...” (38:10)

Tony’s Shtick as the Uninitiated

• Tony confesses, “I’ve not seen the show and I’m not going to pretend that I’ve seen the show...” but draws out Rick on the paradoxes of “surviving” in a TV setting.

“You would do it again in a heartbeat, right? You’d do this again?” – Tony
“Yeah. When Jeff Probst calls, I answer that phone...It’s given me so many fun things and really changed our lives in so many ways.” – Rick (37:22, 37:26)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the decline of local sports journalism:
  “You take a major city, the capital of the United States of America, and you destroy the sports section...my grandchildren will never understand what I did for a living. They'll say, oh, Grandpa was on tv. No, no, no...Grandpa was a sports writer...Look it up, newspaper, because it's gone.” – Tony (10:00)

• Wilbon’s pride in Northwestern:
  “It was a glorious day. One of my absolute favorite days of being purple ever.” (14:50)

• Rick Devins on Survivor fandom:
  “I love Survivor the way you used to love Hot Bench. I mean I was locked in.” (28:55)

• Rick on reality TV production:
  “When you go to a challenge, it is a wall of people...drones, scuba divers...little kids running around...they bring their families to the challenge.” (31:13)

• On public recognition:
  “It’s just enough that I enjoy it and my kids and wife are sick of it.” – Rick (38:10)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Washington Nationals and Broadcast Delays
  01:20–06:47

• The Indianapolis 500, Nostalgia, and Media Change
  07:00–11:30

• Michael Wilbon’s Northwestern Triumph
  14:42–19:47
  Wilbon’s reflections from the lacrosse field; campus atmosphere; “Lake Show” gear; context on coaches and winning culture

• Indy 500, Death of Newspapers, and “Enhanced Games”
  21:12–25:58
  (Wilbon joins Tony mourning the loss of sports traditions; confusion and amusement over PED-allowed events.)

• Start of Rick Devins Interview (Survivor)
  27:52–39:09

  • Becoming a contestant: 28:55
  • Production reality: 31:13
  • Emotional aftermath and career: 32:23, 33:22, 34:50
  • TV/Reality divide: 36:15
  • Being recognized: 38:10

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Tone & Style Notes

• Warm, self-deprecating, nostalgic. Tony and his guest banter is familiar and wry, especially as they poke fun at their own out-of-dateness (delays, missing events).
• Playful with the guest (Rick Devins), who matches Tony’s affectionate sarcasm with self-aware wit.
• Underlying theme: The inexorable change in sports, media, and what it feels like to be a fan—or a competitor—in a world where tradition and connection are shifting.

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[Summary Ends Here]

This episode will appeal not only to “Littles” (loyal fans of the show), but anyone interested in the quirks and joys of sports obsessions, the pain and comedy of lost cultural rituals, and the odd joys of fleeting TV fame.

Transcript

[Tony Kornheiser]

Hey, it's Tony. On today's show, we'll talk with Michael Wilbon about a nice weekend for Northwestern University. And we'll also chat with loyal little and Survivor contestant Rick Devins. But first, commerce.

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[Tony Kornheiser]

Previously on the Tony Kornheiser Show.

[Michael Wilbon]

That's the problem. Here we are rewarding slightly above average

[Rick Devins]

teams with a fake prize. Basically, if this happens because college sports

[Tony Kornheiser]

can't say no to anybody when it

[Rick Devins]

comes to the idea of we need more money.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So let me ask, I mean, before I make the jokes like they'll have, you know, play in games in Dayton before I do that. The Tony Kornheiser show is on now. I think we need to understand that there are five people who watch the Nats. Everybody else is watching something else. Those five people are. Alan the socialite is watching the Nats. He mailed me or texted me 12 times. He's in Florida just texting me, watching the game. There's Chris Cillizza, there's Chuck Todd, there's Michael and there's me. We are the only ones that watch. That's it. And we watch constantly. And now I'm 20 seconds behind.

[Loyal Little]

At least 20 seconds behind.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't understand this. You got on 1261.

[Loyal Little]

No, no. I' in the real channels.

[Tony Kornheiser]

What are the real?

[Loyal Little]

I'm in the 500s, but I have Verizon. I have always been ahead of you as a, as a Comcast, but when you were on the Mass and network, you felt like you were a pitch behind me. And now you're a good two pitches behind me.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'm 20 seconds behind Michael and Everyone else.

[Loyal Little]

So Lizzie gets it one pitch before I do.

[Tony Kornheiser]

How does he. What does he have?

[Loyal Little]

I think streaming.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay. So I'm really late and you know how late I am. Last night the, the Nats in the ninth inning. The Nats had to protect a lead. They bring in Varland to protect the lead to begin with. And Varland, the first two guys get hits, right?

[Loyal Little]

Single. Single.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And so you got to take him out. Yes. And the baby manager comes out the baby and he takes him out. The baby manager takes him out and he brings in love lady.

[Loyal Little]

Yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Who's pitched like every day for the last year again. And he's really good and he should have gotten out of it. He induced a ground ball double play. A 4, 6, 3. If I had ever seen a 4, 6, 3. And this guy at second, Nunez. Nunez boots it. He boots it. So now there's real trouble. Ultimately, after Lovelady, they bring in Ribalta and they bring him in. Bases are loaded. When they bring him in with one out and they're only up one. And Ribalta pitches great. Ribalta gets a strikeout for two outs, big sweepers. And Ribalta gets a ground ball on the right hand side. But to thankfully the first baseman, second baseman. Not the second baseman, but an at

[Loyal Little]

bat that you were just expecting the worst with Acuna at the plate having.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right. Because he's the best player on the team. He's a great player.

[Loyal Little]

Ronald Acuna Jr but as you zoom out, for the last two days, this was a series where over 17 innings, they kept the Braves scoreless for the first time in years. This is the first series when they've had in Atlanta, I think since 24.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Let me get to my 22nd delay. I get a phone call right before two pitches, before Acuna hits the ball to first base and the pitcher covers. I get a phone call from Mark Tuohy. Great win. What? Yeah. What? Because everybody else knows it but me.

[Rick Devins]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Because I'm on 1261 and I'm 20 seconds late.

[Loyal Little]

So the stress I feel is when I'm watching gamecast. So to reset my night, I'm reading to the baby boy in his bed by the glow of gamecast going in. Play runs. And you just. That's the worst that you could see.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I will just say this. They are playing today at Cincinnati on Memorial Day. There's no chance they're going to win this game. Cleveland, Cleveland rather. There are no chance they're going to win this game. They had a two hour rain delay. They had to go back onto the field. They had to leave, they had to fly. God knows when they got to. They have no chance of winning this.

[Loyal Little]

So back to that play at second base. They had to. They brought out construction equipment to get

[Tony Kornheiser]

the infield playable because they missed on the right hand side. They missed on the first base side. It was open. It was pouring there. How does that happen? It was pouring there. So I just. I won't even go through the other games. I won't go through the heartbreak of Dom Smith tying the score in game one. Yeah, man, I sure take two out

[Loyal Little]

of three and to rebound. This is back to back weeks where you lose an extra games early in a series that could derail the entire series. And you come back when games two and three.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes.

[Loyal Little]

Again starting a nine game stretch against very good teams, hitting opponents, good teams.

[Tony Kornheiser]

By the way, Brad Lord's relief appearance on Saturday was great.

[Loyal Little]

Yeah. And yesterday's rain delay comes late enough that it doesn't end up burning two to three extra pitchers just because you have to get half a game in.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So I just wanted to get to that. I get a quick tui says, great win, I go, what?

[Loyal Little]

So I've been waiting to ask you this all week. Syliza has changed. We're in a text group. Saliza has added a title.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Nats.

[Loyal Little]

Nats. I honestly thought that you.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I didn't know what that meant.

[Loyal Little]

I thought you might be saying that the national team, the Washington Nats, are actually texting me, you know, offering some game day tickets or something.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, no, I didn't, I didn't.

[Loyal Little]

You didn't notice?

[Tony Kornheiser]

I wondered who. I noticed it. I wondered who did it. And Chris said he did it. And I was. I didn't.

[Loyal Little]

That's an egg.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I didn't say I was angry. I was angry at that.

[Loyal Little]

Okay.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Because I. That's not what I was looking for. I didn't know how that happened. And then Chris did it. And so I lived with it. It's okay now. It's that delay. I suffer from that. I think it must be a Verizon thing. I can't tell you how many times I've been on the phone watching a football game. Like, oh, this drives. Going nicely.

[Loyal Little]

And whoever I'm on the phone would

[Tony Kornheiser]

be like, just give it a second. Oh, that's an interception.

[Loyal Little]

Different TVs in my house, you know, because we use the streaming app from our cable service. You get different delays for. From different levels.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I had a terrible weekend because it rained the whole time. I mean, I can't. I couldn't play golf. There's nothing I could do. So I was napping and watching television and I didn't know I was 20 seconds late.

[Loyal Little]

You got to go to the indoor sim yesterday with your grandson.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That was nice for a little while.

[Loyal Little]

Hit a few balls, stretch out the back.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, it felt a little bit better. I wanted to say this. I'll just talk for a little while. There's a haiku here that we have from Shad. It's about the Indianapolis 500. Thrill of victory, agony of defeat in milliseconds. When I was young, I made sure to watch the Indianapolis 500. Not that I was a fast car driver, because I never was a fast car driver. I don't know that I have more than one speeding ticket in my life. I know that wasn't thrilling for me to go fast. But I always thought that there were certain events that you watched, like the Kentucky Derby and like the Indianapolis 500, that you watch them because they were an important part of Americana. And you didn't have to watch all of it, but you had to watch some of it. In those days, in the 60s and 70s and probably into the 80s, ABC always did need an Indianapolis 500. Jackie Stewart was the color on the Indianapolis 500. And it was taped. It was taped. It became a three hour show that was taped. And it was the best show on television. Anybody who saw it understood it was the best show on television, any sports show ever. Now it's live and it moves around. But I never miss.

[Rick Devins]

When I.

[Tony Kornheiser]

When I was a columnist, I made sure to go to the Indianapolis 500 two or three times. I wanted to see it. I'm not an auto racing guy. I wanted to see it. And I was always rewarded by seeing it and always thought it was really exciting. More exciting for me than a stock car race. For me, not for anybody else. Just the sleekness of the vehicles and the speeds that they attained and, and. And all of the Middle Americana stuff that they went through in, you know, in Indiana and, you know, and the milk at the end and all of that. And I wrote about it a few times. I saw people die at it. I saw people die. I went to it because I respected it enormously. I never miss it. I missed it yesterday. I didn't realize it was on. I had no idea it was on. I don't know which network carries it. I think maybe Fox. Maybe Fox, yeah. But I didn't go to it. I was watching other things. I forgot it was on. On Memorial Day. And when I saw that this fellow, this Swedish driver, had won it by the closest margin in Indianapolis 500 history, I felt terrible because I had missed it because I think it's very important and I missed it. So it's not that I'm apologizing to anybody and only to myself. I never missed that race and I missed it. And I don't even. I don't know the names of the drivers anymore. I don't know anything like that. I don't have, you know, somebody that I'm looking for to see how they do. I mean, all the people that I knew, they're long gone in this particular sport. But, gosh, I felt like a dope yesterday that I'd missed the Indianapolis 500. So I began to read about it, and I couldn't even find it on wrap up shows. I mean, it was so far behind the basketball on the wrap up shows. And I think this happened because of the Washington Post. I think this happened because Jeff Bezos personally destroyed, for no reason at all, no good reason, personally destroyed the sports section. And I don't read the paper anymore, physically. I read it online and it's just loaded with junk about cricket and F1 and soccer. In Europe, the lead stories are always Europe. It's like whoever's running the paper must be European. And this is what appeals to this person. Normally, the Washington Post would send somebody to Indianapolis for a preview and then the race, and I'd be aware of it. I'd have seen it in front of me. Oh, it's the. It's the weekend of the Indianapolis 500. I understand why people would have missed the Preakness if they read the Washington Post. There's nothing on it. There's nothing there. You take a major city, the capital of the United States of America, and you destroy the sports section. I am so rooting for these other sports sections to bubble up and be successful, but I know I'll never get them delivered to me again. That those days are gone. And as I say all the time, that my grandchildren will never understand what I did for a living. They'll say, oh, Grandpa was on tv. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Grandpa was a sports writer on a newspaper. Look it up, newspaper, because it's gone. We will take a break. Wil Bond will join us. I'm Tony Kornheiser.

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[Tony Kornheiser]

You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. Our music today is from Cassie Holt. It's sent to us, of course, out of Texas by Michael Granberry, who writes, it is my honor to share with you today the music of Cassie Holt. Not only because Cassie is a truly gifted songwriter and singer, but also because her late father, Scotty Holt, was my friend who, like me, graduated from Samuel High School in Dallas in 1970. Cassie is also a licensed professional counselor who once sang the national anthem at a Texas Rangers game. Her most recent record, the Family Album, was released in 2025. Cassie's bluesy vocals call to mind the artist who made the Dallas neighborhood of Deep Ellum famous, produced such giants as Blind Lemon Jefferson, Lead Belly T, Bone Walker, Blind Willie Johnson. In more recent years, Erykah Badu and Edie Brickell, who happens to be married to a guy named Paul Simon. This song is which one is this? I spend my whole life with you, you know, which she she writes, I wrote for my friend to give her husband as a gift. But then I met my now husband and altered the words for him. So it's good to be nimble like that. It plays in Michael Wilbourne. Before we get to Wilbourne, I read from Brandon Borselli in Lebanon, New Jersey. As a household, we are consumed by women's lacrosse. My oldest is fortunate enough to play the D3 school. My younger still plays in high school, and my wife, a recreation level coach, managed to coach both of them in their formative years, naturally. Sunday we all hunker down for the D1 final between UNC and Northwestern. Just as the second quarter is starting, the booth throws it to the sideline reporter teasing the appearance of most Famous Northwestern alumni. The camera shines on Michael Ray Wilbon as he tries his best to make it sound like it would be a major upset if Northwestern wins. They were ranked number one in the country. They'd already beaten UNC in the regular season and were playing at home. We can see the faint flashing in the lower portion of the screen, almost unnoticeable. To the untrained eye, it's a cell phone akin to the bat phone flashing red as Commissioner Gordon is summoning the Caped Crusader. The flashing on this particular phone is for incoming text. The label, none other than the Richard Dent Group. Wilbourne, the Batman of sports. You have no idea how many people have contacted me about seeing you at this game.

[Michael Wilbon]

Good. They were watching.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They were watching. They were watching.

[Loyal Little]

I was watching.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, they were watching.

[Michael Wilbon]

Glad to hear it. It was a glorious day. One of my absolute favorite days of being purple ever. I mean, single digits. I mean, on one hand. I can count days with it. Only a couple would be ahead of it. But to be in your own campus and have the national championship. Only once in the history of this sport of women's lacrosse had the host school ever won the championship.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, okay.

[Michael Wilbon]

You know who that was? It was Maryland. You know, the star of that team was. No. Kelly Amante.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So she's your coach.

[Michael Wilbon]

10 goals in that game.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, boy.

[Michael Wilbon]

1993, maybe. Okay, so it's been 30 plus years. She was the star. She's the only other person who did it. And now she coached in it. And I was on the field at the end of the game and, you know, had a big hug with her, which was apparently caught on ESPN as well.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes, of course it was.

[Michael Wilbon]

Of course it was.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes.

[Michael Wilbon]

And I said, do you know this? She goes. She smiled to let me know she did know it, which is great. Just, you know, for those of us who, you know, went to that institution, it was just a fabulous, fabulous day.

[Tony Kornheiser]

There's no up from here, Right. I mean, you're at the top. You're. How many. How many championships is this in the last 15 years?

[Michael Wilbon]

9 and 29.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And it's just tremendous, right?

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah. Yeah. Bill Belichick comes to her practices and was doing it when he was coaching the Patriots and Tom Brady. Let me say it again. Bill Belichick, when he was winning Super Bowls with Tom Brady, would go to Chicago and go to Kelly Amante. Now Kelly, my hiller. Her practices.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, you know why he does that? You know, his. His daughter is a lacrosse coach.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yes, yes, I know. Absolutely. Yeah. So, I mean, you know, do you go up? I mean, do any. What? You know, once Phil Jackson and won five, was there a place to go up? Once poppet won four, was there a place to go up? I mean, they want to win you. You keep, you know, your program in a place and there's a way to go now. I mean, you earn attention. You earn attention. You become a juggernaut at your school, which is trying to build and remain in the big ten and fight off the people, skeptics who say, oh, you know, they're going to get rid of every, you know, any intellectual school, any, you know, nerd school. They're going to get rid of you people. Well, I know one thing. I know the people who consider themselves the great jock schools, they don't beat her.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So let me ask this because they're. I don't know that maybe there is a professional league, but if so, it has no particular impact at the moment.

[Michael Wilbon]

Right.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Is there anywhere up for her or is this up? Is this it?

[Michael Wilbon]

I. You know, Tony, that's a great question and fair question. I don't know. The women lacrosse league. I know there is one. I don't know anything about it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, I can't imagine right now.

[Michael Wilbon]

No, you're at the place that's won more than anybody else. You've held off once. Look, 15 years ago and 12 years ago and 10 years ago, you know, schools like Florida, I'm going to name one, they looked at Northwestern and said, really? These little people win the national championship, we're going to start a program, put millions of dollars in, and we're going to beat them because they shouldn't be winning. How's that going?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Not very well. You keep winning.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Did you also win in field hockey, which surprised me twice, because North Carolina again. North Carolina. Powerful in both the same sports, right?

[Michael Wilbon]

Yes, yes. And. Yeah, two of the last three.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Wow.

[Michael Wilbon]

So was it three of the last four? Oh, wait, I can't count them all. Right now, in possession right now, the reigning national champions in field hockey, lacrosse and golf are the Northwestern women.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right now, is Luke Donald part of that golf thing? Does he give advice to the golf?

[Michael Wilbon]

He is part of the program. He is very much proud of the program, you know, very much associated with lives, I'm sure, in Florida and Chicago, but Chicago as well. And. Yes. So that is. And they call themselves. I would never use this. They call themselves chicks with Fear sticks. And they win every year.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's great. That's great. Good for you. Good for you. I'm telling you, I got all sorts of texts, have you seen Wilbon? And they showed me, they took screen grabs, they showed me pictures of you.

[Loyal Little]

I love the gear that said lake show.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah, the lake show.

[Loyal Little]

Because also that field is the prettiest spot to see an event on tv.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, it's gorgeous.

[Michael Wilbon]

It is unbelievable. You know, Cheryl called me yesterday during the game and I'm watching from a balcony right over the field, which is in the Mark Walter shout out to Mark Walter athletic center. And that center has a balcony, several balconies. There's one outside the football coach's office, there's one outside the athletic director's office. And you sit there and you're looking down on that scene yesterday with the lake and the. Just. It's unbelievable. And you know, Cheryl called me and she said this is like an ad for every, you know, 14 year old girl who wants to come. And more than that, I mean, every, it seems like every athlete was at that game yesterday and it was the place to be. And our students are still in school because like Stanford and a few others, we have the quarter system and we're not out till June 20. Every other school would have been out. Their kids would have been there. But our kids were there and it was Stu Gotz's daughter, plays on that team, played yesterday, has played four years and she is just a lovely young woman. I got to talk to her on the field. Yes, I was on the field being a groupie at the time.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes, you were. Everybody saw you on the field.

[Michael Wilbon]

Glad to be.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's fine.

[Michael Wilbon]

Glad to be. Thrilled to be.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Let me move this out. Did you watch the Indy 500?

[Michael Wilbon]

No, no, no, no. I didn't even know the Indy 500 was contested.

[Tony Kornheiser]

This is. I just opened the show by saying I didn't even know. I feel terrible because in our lives, that's one of those events that even if you don't go to it every year, you're aware of it every year. It was a great television show. I watch. I didn't watch it. I didn't know it was on.

[Michael Wilbon]

You know, I had no idea was on. I wasn't going to watch it. I've covered three of them.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I would have watched the. I would have watched the last hour. I would have. I would have.

[Michael Wilbon]

No, I wouldn't. And don't. And haven't. And didn't. And won't.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, I know for me that's like the Kentucky Derby that you have to watch it. You have to pay attention to me.

[Michael Wilbon]

I think the death of newspapers has something to do with that because newspapers were like the people that covered it and told you it was coming two or three days in advance. Somebody, some columnist was there and you picked up the paper. Andrew Beyer. I mean, Andrew Byer. He's a. The horse races. Yeah, but somebody was at the Indy 500.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, you and me. One of us.

[Michael Wilbon]

You and you.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

And so. No, no. Did not.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Did you watch the golf?

[Michael Wilbon]

I was nothing. I watched the Northwest.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, fine. That's fine. Let me just tell you about the golf, Scotty.

[Michael Wilbon]

I watched a replay of it while I was getting ready to fly.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay. Scotty Scheffler finished minus 25. Minus 25. Didn't get a sniff of first or second. Minus 25.

[Michael Wilbon]

Other people finished minus 25 to. Not just Scottie Scheffler.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, he was the only one in 25. At third. He was third.

[Michael Wilbon]

Well, okay, but I mean, did other people finish 21 and 22?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, sure. And the winner was 30. And the winner, Windham Clark at 30 was 11 under yesterday.

[Rick Devins]

11.

[Michael Wilbon]

Interview with Amanda. Was it with Amanda?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, she did. She did. Cbs.

[Michael Wilbon]

Had to be. Of course. Of course it was cbs. It wouldn't be. It wouldn't be the other two.

[Rick Devins]

Yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

I saw the interview with Amanda at the end, and I would have been crazed because my flight was two hours delayed, but it was perfect because I go to the Admirals Club with steam coming down my ears and I go, wait a minute, I can eat dinner here. And they gotta have the game on something.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

And at the bar they got a 40 inch, 50. No, 50 or 60 inch TV with the game on and dinner. So I didn't go crazy. So that's the only thing I saw the weekend. Because Friday was the semifinal, Right. And we played in that and beat Johns Hopkins. So. And I stayed for the other game, which was North Carolina and Maryland. So. No, it was a lacrosse weekend for me. That was it. I didn't. I didn't.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So you didn't watch the. What are the Enhanced Games? You didn't watch that. I know I didn't watch that.

[Michael Wilbon]

You mean the abbreviated. The baseball.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, no, no, no. These things called the Enhanced Games where you're allowed to use steroids. It's the new track meet. Swim meet. No, I'm not making it up. It's called the Enhanced Games. And Fred Curley, who was an Olympian, said, I'm running clean. And my question for anybody would be, how do we know? How do we know he's running?

[Michael Wilbon]

Why are you doing. Why participate I.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Because if you break a world record, you get like a million dollars.

[Michael Wilbon]

I never heard of this.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, it happened. Yeah, I heard about it Friday when we had it on the show. I'd never heard about it either.

[Michael Wilbon]

Really?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You were off. You were off.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah, no, no, I. No, no. Friday afternoon I was at lacrosse and then there again yesterday, and it's the first time I've been able to get to both semifinals and finals in a while. I did it when my goddaughter Brittany was on the team in the early aughts. Early to late aughts. I did that a couple, a few times then. But, you know, again when you're. You're hosting it, so, you know, there was actually, you know, stuff to sort of do. The Big Ten commissioner was there. Tony Petitti got a chance to talk to him yesterday. He was on the side.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I hope you told him he's a loon for 24. I hope you said, what are you doing?

[Michael Wilbon]

I didn't know. He alluded to it. He alluded to, you know, the discussion coming at every school, at every Big Ten school. Every school. And we didn't get into it there. It wasn't the place, wasn't the time or place. But, you know, I'm just not for it. And I'm sure that there are going to be people that I was sitting with shoulder to shoulder yesterday who were going to say to me, come on now, you, you gotta give this a chance. You gotta be for this. This would have helped our institution. And going forward, it's going to help the institution. And we get. They're gonna recruit me and I be strong. I'm not going.

[Loyal Little]

Be strong.

[Michael Wilbon]

Be persuaded.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Be strong. All right, I'll see you tomorrow. All right, Tom, Michael Wilbon boys and girls, we'll take a break. We'll come back with Rick Devins, who is the official survivor candidate of the Tony Kornheiser show, who I've never spoken to. I hope it's good. I'm Tony Kornheiser.

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[Tony Kornheiser]

You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. The Tony Kornheiser show. Once again, this is Cassie Holt. Music sent to us by Michael Granberry. This is called Going home and it's a tribute to her dad who Michael Granberry writes. My friend and fellow Samuel grad Scotty Holt. She's really, really good and you can listen to her music without me babbling at the end of the show. Michael, if independent artists like Cassie Holt want to send their music in, how they do it?

[Loyal Little]

Send us your music by emailing it to Jinglesney Konizer show.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, we're, we're going completely off the rails here. We're doing something we never do. We're having somebody on the show we don't even know. I mean we know him but we don't really know him. We've never spoken before.

[Loyal Little]

I think this finally might get my sister in law to listen to the show.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Have no idea if this is going to work. This is Rick Devins who has been twice now on Survivor. Won it once and came in pretty high second time. Before we get to that, tell us what it is like because you're not a professional television contestant. Tell everybody what it is that you do for a living.

[Rick Devins]

Well, I'm not a professional television contestant yet, Mr. Tony, but we can all dream, right?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes.

[Rick Devins]

I work as a director of communications at Middle Georgia State University, a small university in Macon, Georgia. I used to be a news anchor here in Macon, Georgia for the morning show for the local Fox and ABC affiliate.

[Tony Kornheiser]

But you're now, you're now working at the school?

[Rick Devins]

Basically, yes, sir.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yep.

[Tony Kornheiser]

How did you get on Survivor in the first place?

[Rick Devins]

So I've always been a big fan of the show. I love Survivor the way you used to love Hot Bench. I mean I was locked in so you have to send in an audition tape and I sent in several over like a 10 year span and never heard anything back. And then back in Gosh, 2018 I think I sent in a tape straight from the news desk where my news anchor co anchor is Just rolling her eyes at me as I'm making this tape. And they got in touch with me. And it's actually back then they would fly you out to Los Angeles for a week to go through psych testing, to take IQ tests. And every day you interview with a higher level producer and there's a big group of you and you can see each other, but you're not allowed to interact with each other. And if they don't like you, they just send you home. So the next day you'd get together and there'd be three less people. It's like the Hunger Games before you even get on the show. And if you make it all the way through, you get to talk to Jeff Probst, the host, and all these CBS executives. And so I made it all the way through. They said, you did great. I got home and they said, hey, Devins, we're not putting you on season 37, but we think you have a real good shot at 38. And that's. That ended up being the one that I went out on the first time.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, so you, you know, you're going to be on the show or you feel you're going to be on the show, you have this professional career. Does anybody say, hey, Rick, no, this is a bad idea. Don't do this, Don't. It's a bad idea. Anybody say that?

[Rick Devins]

Absolutely. Some people said that. They said, why would you want to leave this and go starve anyway? And I said, well, it's a very, you know, it's a very certain kind of mental illness. But, yeah, there's a lot of people, especially even now working at the university, that say, you're not wearing anything with Middle Georgia State on it. Right. We don't need. No, but I'm going to be good. It's okay. I'm not going to be one of the bad ones. And luckily, it's all been very positive. So I did get that advice from quite a few people. But you got to do what you got to do.

[Tony Kornheiser]

What surprised you the most? Once it starts, what surprised you the most?

[Rick Devins]

I think the thing that really shocked me is when you're around camp, they have camera people and boom, mic people and, you know, tripod people around all the time. But a fairly small group, as small as it can be, while they can still follow any two of you around camp at any time. So they never miss any strategy talk. But when you go to a challenge, it is a wall of people, production people, hundreds of them. Drones flying around, scuba divers under the water. If there's any water involved and there's little kids running around, and I'm going, where are these little kids coming from out here in Fiji? And it turns out they've been doing this show for so long, 50 seasons, and now they've been in Fiji for at least 10 years that the producers can bring their families out because they film two seasons back to back out there. So they're out there all summer, and so they bring their families to the challenge. So I'm out there missing my kids, and there's other little kids just running around. As we're getting told what we're about

[Tony Kornheiser]

to do is there. Was there. Did you find any career benefit to it or is it just totally separate?

[Rick Devins]

It's actually. It was a huge career benefit, especially when I was on the news, because it was just a huge amount of exposure and it did go so well for me the first time. And I'm typically. I can be a little polarizing. You know, some people are going, oh, he's scheming too much. But most people, because I'm very positive and joyful out there, are receptive to what I'm putting out there. Positive and joyful. I'm like the Mr. Tony of Survivor. And so it was great. Like a lot of TV stations, you just need that right Survivor fan in that right position, and it can change everything. So they're not everywhere, but the ones that are out there are passionate.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So you're saying that anxious and fretting wouldn't actually help you on any level. I would imagine that. When they asked you to do it again, to be on this other thing, this championship tour, were you eager to do it again or did you think about it for a while?

[Rick Devins]

I wanted it so badly. Embarrassingly badly. Honestly. It had been seven years. It was the greatest adventure ever. And again, I was sick enough to think, oh, I can go out there and do just as well the second time. And in some ways, I did even better this second time. So I really wanted to get back out there.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. How different was the Champions Tour from the regular one? I mean, everybody there, I assume, had won or placed very high before.

[Rick Devins]

Right. Everyone was a great player, a known player. So it was really bizarre. I mean, I'm playing with people that I watched play the game back when I was in high school that I looked up to in a weird way. And it's also the first time you play. We're all discovering it together. You know, how do you open a coconut with a machete? How do you, you know, sleep on this island. Whereas the second time, I mean, it was all business. Your feet hit the sand in Fiji and you're just immediately playing the game. People know what they're doing this time a lot more than I knew what I was doing. There's this guy named Ozzy who. He'll just shimmy up a coconut tree and cut down the coconuts from the top of the tree. He's like a jungle boy out there. So it was pretty wild.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'm sure that you have asked yourself this question a number of times. What does it say about you that you do this and you're good at it? You're good at this strange thing?

[Rick Devins]

Yeah, I think it says that I just have an empty hole in me that needs attention and praise.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Rick Devins]

You know, can't fill it up no matter what. And also just that if you distract me with an adventure and with something fun, I can get through anything. You know, if there's no fun or adventure, I can be miserable out there. But just the little dangling of this game, I can starve. You know, I lost 31 pounds the first time, 24 pounds the second time. You know, sleep deprived, all that stuff. Because you just have this fun thing. You're holding onto this adventure.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So I've not seen the show and I'm not going to pretend that I've seen the show, but my major question is this. It is presented. All of these types of shows are presented as if you people on the island are the only people on the island and you have to survive under terrible conditions. But there's like a thousand as you're describing. There's kids, there's producers, there's people holding boom mics. They're staying in hotels. They're not sleeping in the sand. How did you know? Do you know what I'm saying? That strangeness, you know, that there's civilization right out there near you. Is that difficult on any level?

[Rick Devins]

It's really bizarre because. Yeah, first of all, the show's filmed on a lot of different islands in Fiji. So like every tribe is on their own island and then production has their own base camp island. But it is weird. I remember on my first season there was this thing called the edge of experience extinction. And when you're. You leave the game, you go there and you're just deserted there. You're not even a part of the game. You're in the middle of nowhere and it's to make you feel forgotten. And one day we're out there just suffering, sitting in the sun and the Nicest yacht you've ever seen drives by. It's probably like a mile offshore. But we're just sitting there looking at each other going, somebody's having breakfast in a mimosa right now, that yacht. And we're over here trying to peel out the non rotten parts of a coconut so that we have something to put in our faces. It is strange and it is bizarre, but that's kind of. It gives you comfort to know that if something goes horribly wrong, if one of your cast mates goes crazy with a machete, they'll get to you and help you. But also you feel very far from it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You would do it again in a heartbeat, right? You'd do this again?

[Rick Devins]

Yeah. When Jeff Probst calls, I answer that phone. I mean, I got an email from Greg Garcia and it went to my spam. His son told me the other night at the finale party. He emailed you and you didn't respond. And I was crushed. Had to go and find it. So I'm going to email him back. But just like hearing from Greg Garcia, being on the show with you, it's like these are things I don't get to do without Survivor. It's given me so many fun things and really changed our lives in so many ways. I would definitely keep going. Again, very specific form of mental illness.

[Tony Kornheiser]

But are you recognized? Like, have you someone in the street, have you ever been recognized? And people go, whoa, you're the guy on Survivor.

[Rick Devins]

Yeah, it happens a lot, especially when the season's airing. Like for the last few days, my family and I went to Disneyland and there must be be 100 pictures out there of me just meeting people in line and going, devin's. Oh, my gosh, can I have a selfie? So it's fun, but, you know, it's just enough that I enjoy it and my kids and wife are sick of it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, no, I know how that works. I know how that works. I mean, for me, the greatest thing is you're sitting in traffic and the guy in the next car rolls down the window and says, aren't you just so you know that every once in a while something happens where you think, that's very cool. Thank you so much for being on. Thank you so much for, you know, paying attention to the show and we're happy for your success with this. Thanks, Rick.

[Rick Devins]

Well, thank you so much, Mr. Tony. I love the show so much. Thank you all so much for what you do. I've got high school friend Adam Bartlett that I hadn't heard from from 10 years and he found out I was a little. And we're talking again. I mean what you do for this community is just amazing.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Very cool. Thank you.

[Michael Wilbon]

Rick.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Rick Devins boys and girls, we will take a break.

[Michael Wilbon]

Break.

[Tony Kornheiser]

We will come back with email and jingle. I'm Tony Kornheiser.

[Rick Devins]

The road to the NBA finals ends

[Tony Kornheiser]

here with star guard setting the tone.

[Michael Wilbon]

The Cavs eye another upset while the Knicks carry the dreams of all of New York.

[Rick Devins]

The eastern conference finals continue on espn and abc.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. That is Ian Warrington playing all those instruments by himself and he's an emergency room doctor. What are you doing with your life? He's an emergency room doctor. You want to do the Bethesda bagels ad for us? Yeah. Bagel sandwiches today. Very excited about that. Just go to bethesdabagles.com for the location in the DC area nearest you. Then pop on in and you'll be thrilled. And before we get to the mailbag, let me just say, well, I'll be doggone if I wouldn't work all day, baby and I'd be doggone if I wouldn't bring you my pay, baby but if I ever caught you running around blowing my money all over this town then I wouldn't be doggone hey, hey, I'd be long gone. That's the greatest song Marvin Gaye's ever done. Love that song. Be dog on. Thanks to our guest today, Michael Wilbon, Rick Devins. Thanks as well to today's sponsors. Remember, you can listen to us on Apple podcasts, Spotify and Odyssey. If you get showed through Apple podcasts, please leave us a review for Rick

[Loyal Little]

Devins in his Instagram bio.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Loyal little loyal, little fabulous. That's great.

[Loyal Little]

I mean, it's after his Survivor numbers,

[Tony Kornheiser]

but from our friend Bill Isaacson, maybe we have finally come to the end of the Steves that know Steves and Tims that know Tim's and so on. Fine with me, because how many of those first namers have met their full name? Not that in my case, I actually met my. I am not that Bill Isaacson. When I was a freshman in high school at Loyola Academy in Wilbourn Land outside Chicago, there was an upperclassman named Bill Isaacson. I learned this from a constant stream of detention slips brought to me in my homeroom. Like any other Jesuit school, Loyola had a dean of discipline with an office and a secretary. It did not seem a big deal at first. I would take the detention slips to the secretary and say, you have the ball. Wrong Bill Isaacson again. And that was it. One day I repeated this process and the secretary said, oh no, today you have to see the dean. I didn't know what that not that Bill Isaacson had done, but when I went into the Dean's office, Dean of Discipline jumped out of his chair, came over his desk at me with hands outstretched as he was about to wring my neck. I spoke very quickly, you have the wrong guy. There are two Bill Isaacsons in the school. I get his detention slips all the time. The Dean of Discipline's hands froze at my throat and he said, then get the right way in here now. I left the office and told the secretary that the dean wanted to see the other Bill Isaacson immediately. And when I finally met not that Bill Isaacson, I told him he must have done some things for me to get all those detention slips. He just smiled at me and nodded. If he is a little somewhere here's to you Bill Isaacson. For the sake of completeness, my middle name is Anthony. I do not respond also if someone tries to call me Tony. Okay, from this is an exciting one. This is from James Waldron in Wallingford, Connecticut. I wanted to draw your attention to some pending drama that will play out at the NCAA Golf Championship this week starting Friday, May 29th at La Costa Resort in Carlsbad, California. Connecticut native and University of Virginia golfer Ben James currently holds the number one position in the PGA Tour University rankings with Christian Maas M A S Maas. I hope University of Texas close second. If you're unfamiliar with the PGA Tour University, the number number one player on the PGA Tour University Ranking will earn a PGA Tour membership for the remainder of the current season as well as the following season. Players 2 through 25 earn a variety of exemptions on the Korn Ferry Tour, North America's swing of PGA Tour Americas, and exemptions within the Q School process. Past winners earning their PGA Tour cards include Michael Thor Bjornsson and Ludwig Oberg, a coveted prize for amateurs. As of now, Ben James has a 25 point lead over Christian Maas and a few highlights for him. Soon to be a four time All American Number three World Amateur Ranking, two time Walker Cup Team member. You know him, right?

[Michael Wilbon]

You know I know the name.

[Loyal Little]

Don't know him personally.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Qualified for the last two US Opens. Not often that Connecticut has a native son rise to such prominence on the national stage for golf. Other names you might remember Julius Boros, Ken Green JJ Henry Finally, I think I have a perfect solution to your sand trap woes and provide a mental health therapy session. If you find yourself in the Greater Hartford area, I encourage you to head to Gillette Ridge Golf Course and bring your entire bag with you to the practice area where you will learn to exercise all your demons. Instructions are the Stand. Your stand should be shoulder width apart. Dig your heels firmly in the sand. Loosen your grip on the club. Loosen your grip even further. Take a massive swing without regard to hitting the ball. Release the club and watch it sail into the sky. Repeat with all 14 clubs in your bag. You see Gillette Ridge is located on the campus of Cigna Insurance. Calculated indifference gives no aid and the President Practice facility is when the club's throw of the home office. I'm not sure that we'll get your future MRIs covered, but your mental health will surely improve.

[Loyal Little]

Jim Walton Bladed from the Sand From

[Tony Kornheiser]

Charlie Warren, Fort Smith, Arkansas My grandfather's middle initial is L. He said it was for Lewis. I recently found my father's birth certificate. It listed my grandfather's middle name as Lavender. Although it is a colorful name, I would have changed the name too. Please take Tell Walter Woody to eat it From Charlie Warren From Jeremy in Long Beach, California so we're doing middle names stories now. When I was born, even though they were not together anymore, my mother felt like I should have my biological father's middle name, which was Keith. My mother, who is a fantastic writer, spelled it K I E T H. I did not know about this misspelling until middle school, when I needed to take a physical and looked at my Social Security card for the first time. It became a family joke, I'm sure at both my high school and college graduation announcements, they had the K I E T H spelling and pronunciation. Thanks for the laughs. Justin Johnson, Arlington, Virginia an emailer claimed to be the original Justin of the show is a longtime little who's also named Justin. I feel a stakeholder in this matter. Respectfully, I'm going to need some more detail on this other Justin's credentials and listening history before I'm willing to sign off on that title. From John Dewald in Royal Oak, Michigan, the question is, does James Woods 29.4ft per second speed considered good was posed during your Thursday show. A couple of quick keystrokes on the calculator. Yes, calculator tells us that 29.4ft per second is 20.04 miles per hour. An interweb search, excuse me, revealed Ricky Henderson ran between 21 and 22 miles per hour today. Bobby Witt Jr. Is considered the fastest in MLD at 30.4ft per second or 20.73 miles an hour. Bobby and James are fast for sure, but not 2778 miles per hour. Usain Bolt fast? Well yeah. James would have no problem out hustling the fastest recorded chicken 9 miles an hour, pig 11, squirrel 12. Okay, the black mamba snake 20 would be a push while an elephant 25. An elephant once they get a white tailed deer 30, a warthog 30, a grizzly bear 30, stay away from grizzly bears and a kangaroo 30 would all circle the of bases faster. So is 29.4ft per second good? I guess that all depends on who you're up.

[Loyal Little]

What are your numbers on the elliptical?

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't, you know, like I don't know, two miles an hour, something like that. That's where I try to be from. Lush Philbin thanks for confirming Dustin Hoffman was at game one of the Cavs Nick series. He really hates players traveling. If you listen to the game closely, you can hear him yelling, he's walking here, he's walking here. It's funny, Tim. I hope I did the accent right. Tim Cree, Fort Collins, Colorado took every Pringle baked in a week and you stacked them straight up. I think you'd be missing the point of Pringles. You're thinking of Lego, not Pringles. From Bret Hobbs in Linton, Indiana. While many with many newspapers shutting down and major ones like the Washington Post cutting back on their sports department, I was particularly saddened to see that on Friday, May 22, 2026, after almost 100 years of providing a valuable service, CBS News Radio has ended. They employed many great personalities over the year, from Edward R. Murray to Charles Osgood to Dan Rather. Time marches on, and sometimes I wish I could go back to simpler times. I guess that is just the old get off my lawn guy in me. Chip Robinson, Mount Pleasant, South Carolina I assume you've listened to my Chuck, Roxy, Chuck and Roxy episode 416 and thoroughly enjoyed it. What you couldn't know is that off air Chuck said I sounded exactly like Rick Devins. Since I'm kind of a big deal now, let me know if you want me to call into the pod. I'd be happy to. It's great. Tony Beeson I'm writing this to you on the morning of Sunday, May 24, 2026. At this time 40 years ago on May 25, 1986, I am sure we were stuck in traffic outside Speedway, Indiana, on our way to attend the fiasco that was the 70th running of the Indianapolis 500. It rained on and off all day that day, and the race had to be postponed. It was finally run on the following Saturday. At any rate, we were just wandering around Gasoline Alley that day. I saw a guy who looked vaguely familiar. With utter contempt and disdain, the guy glared back at me and dismissively said, yeah, it's me. I'm David Hasselhoff. I was searching the Internet looking for a picture to share and I'm telling you, this is exactly what's in my member he memory. He was garishly wearing a black satin jacket unbuttoned far too low and some expensive sunglasses. He was there to sing back home in Indiana for pre roast ceremonies. Please forgive me. Secretly, I hoped he would forget the words and get a frog caught in his throat. And there's a picture of him. Hasselhoff. Yeah. From Peter Potke in Southington, Connecticut. I laid a brown paper bag next to my pallet of Swedish seed steel, but still no sprouts. Can you ask Michael what I'm doing wrong? We're putting them in today. This afternoon, Memorial Day, we're putting them in. And from Rod Gujetsky from Lewis, Delaware in Gaithersburg. My gym In Rehoboth has 11 big screen TVs facing the bike steppers, et cetera. On Wednesday when I sat down, I saw Michael Wilbon on two different shows on two different channels the same time.

[Rick Devins]

Wow.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I thought, he's even faster than I thought. If you're out on your bike tonight, as always, do wear white.

[Michael Wilbon]

Shut up, John Big booty.

[Rick Devins]

You coward. You're the weakest sentimental I ever know.

[Tony Kornheiser]

What is that? Bakarubanza? That's what I thought.

[Cassie Holt (Singer)]

I can't believe how lucky I am to find you to hold my head. And I am far from perfect But I know you can take. I might be loud enough spoken but it seems like you know me so well. Cause when you wrap your arms around me I feel safe you understand me? I can be me with no apologies. I want to spend my life with you. Wanna spend my life with you. I don't want to imagine don't even want to try. A day without you we me

[Loyal Little]

from

[Cassie Holt (Singer)]

now until I die. Cuz when you wrap your arms around me I feel safe you understand me? I can be me Apology with I want my life with you. Spend my life with you. I wish I could give you a mixtape. In my heart you know how much I think of you and I loved you. Why when you at your arms around me. Just let me? I can be me? I want to spend my life? Sam? It was early in the morning? When we got the call? It was time for you to leave? We got no say at all? I wonder if you stay? Maybe you could stay? But you're going home? I'm ready for you to leave? Oh, you said you're going home? I'm not ready for you to leave? Leave? You said you'd rather leave? But you're not afraid to die? You taught me to be strong? It's okay to cry? Cuz you going home? Going home? Sam? I don't know? Without you in it? I don't know What? Without you in it? I don't know? Without you in it? I don't know? Sam? Ram.