“Sword and Sandal”

Summary

The Tony Kornheiser Show – "Sword and Sandal" (July 22, 2026)

Episode Overview

This episode of "The Tony Kornheiser Show" is packed with sports talk, entertainment reviews, and trademark banter. Tony is joined by Michael Wilbon, Producer Nigel, and regulars like Steve Sands, Jason Fraley, and Buster Olney. The show opens with a deep dive into Christopher Nolan’s new epic film "The Odyssey," transitions to a British Open wrap-up, and then to Major League Baseball’s latest twists and turns. The episode, as always, is distinguished by lively conversation, wit, and the effortless switching between serious analysis and comic asides.

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Table of Contents

1. Review: Christopher Nolan’s "The Odyssey"
2. British Open Recap with Steve Sands
3. MLB Catch-Up with Buster Olney
4. Notable Quotes & Moments
5. Timestamps for Key Segments

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Review: Christopher Nolan’s "The Odyssey" (03:41–15:10)

Key Discussion Points

• Jason Fraley’s Review: Jason describes "The Odyssey" as Nolan’s first true "sword and sandal" epic, praising the technical craft, especially its innovative use of 70mm IMAX (04:39–05:53). Jason says, "It’s definitely another epic piece of work by Christopher Nolan. It’s his first time doing a sword and sandal epic like this..." (04:47).

• Spectacle & Effects: The Cyclops scene receives high praise for its updated CGI, and the Trojan Horse sequence is called "refreshingly different" (05:53–07:13).

• Performance & Cast:

  • Matt Damon as Odysseus: Jason asserts Damon is up for the challenge, playing both the younger and older Odysseus, and highlights the "morally complex" portrayal (08:23–09:45).
  • Star-studded supporting cast: The cast includes Anne Hathaway (Penelope), Tom Holland (son Telemachus), Robert Pattinson (primary suitor), Zendaya, Lupita Nyong’o (Helen), Mia Goth, Elliot Page, and more. Jason notes, "There’s so many famous actors even in the supporting roles...it’s almost jarring at first." (09:45)

• Critiques:

  1. Non-Linear Structure: The film jumps around in time, feeling like "a rock skipping across the pond" (09:46).
  2. Star Power Overload: The sheer number of famous faces in minor roles can pull the viewer out of the story initially (09:46–11:12).
  3. Literary Liberties & Realism: Wilbon questions the realism, specifically whether the film feels like a fantasy (with giant creatures) or a grounded epic. Jason explains there is some fantasy content but that it avoids comic book absurdity, maintaining a "Lord of the Rings" level of epicness (12:56–14:17).

• Recommendations & Final Thoughts: Jason won’t call the film a "grand slam", but says "it’s a Homer – pun intended." He expects multiple viewings will enrich appreciation, as with many Nolan films. He ranks it among the year’s best so far (14:17–14:53).

Notable Quotes

• Jason Fraley:
  "I made sure to go see it up here in Frederick at the Regal Westview in IMAX so I could get the full effect. And let me tell you, when that Greek god Poseidon is angry and the waves are crashing on Matt Damon's boat, like you feel it. I thought the theater speakers were going to come crashing, crash me." (06:14)

• Michael Wilbon:
  "Matt Damon is a great actor, but he's not a comic book hero actor. Most of these large scale epic movies that have to do with thunder and lightning use special effects that are not realistic. Is this, is this realistic or is it a comic book movie?" (07:17)

• Jason Fraley:
  "It is a Homer. Pun intended." (14:18)

• Tony Kornheiser:
  "This is Jason. This is very good." (14:55)

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British Open Recap with Steve Sands (22:09–42:44)

Key Discussion Points

• Royal Birkdale’s Reputation: Sands notes that "dozens of players tell me that Royal Birkdale is the best golf course in England" (22:28).

• Ryan Fox’s Victory:

  • Celebrating Fox as both an underdog and a "really, really fast player" (22:49–24:13).
  • Sands shares background on the Fox family’s athletic prowess, noting Ryan's rugby-star father.

• Pace of Play:
  The discussion emphasizes how fast players like Ryan Fox are often unsettled by slow players, which can become gamesmanship (25:58–28:04).

• Major Moments:

  • Sands and Wilbon dissect key bogeys and birdies on the final day—debating whether Fox won it or others lost it (24:49–29:22).
  • The notorious “pot bunkers” at Birkdale and the vagaries of links golf feature heavily (29:31–30:39).
  • Noting the impressive last-hole birdie to clinch the championship: "A birdie on the last hole to win a major championship, that's pretty money golf right there." (24:49)

• DeChambeau’s Penalty:

  • Sands gives a detailed account of Bryson DeChambeau’s two-stroke penalty for improving his lie, the drama that followed, and how golf professionals view these rules (32:02–36:26).
  • "When professional golfers hit a ball into the situation that Bryson did, they don't walk in there like an elephant, all right? Amateurs do that." (34:40)
  • On DeChambeau: "It's part PGA Tour, part live, part major championship golf, part WWE..." (34:53)

• Steve Sands’ TV Cameo:

  • Confirms his cameo in Will Ferrell’s Netflix show "The Hawk." Describes it as a surreal but enjoyable experience (38:41–39:53).

• Shout-out to Greg Garcia:

  • Steve praises Garcia’s standup comedy act, calling him "amazing" and one of the funniest people he knows (40:12–41:26).

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MLB Catch-Up with Buster Olney (43:57–53:56)

Key Discussion Points

• Bizarre Dodgers-Phillies Double Play:

  • JT Realmuto’s baserunning blunder is highlighted, with Olney noting, "I think in an instant...Justin was going to merchant. That’s the only explanation I had." (44:24–45:01)

• Red Sox Resurgence:

  • The Sox’s massive streak (13 or 14 wins), pitching excellence, and the impact on the AL playoff picture (45:16–46:33).
  • The emergence of interim manager Chad Tracy and the importance of bullpen performance.

• Trade Deadline Speculation:

  • The discussion focuses on whether the Tigers will trade Tarek Skubal, and how Mason Miller’s status with the Padres may change (47:10–48:52).

• AL/NL MVP Race & Injuries:

  • Updates on Aaron Judge’s and Shohei Ohtani’s injuries, and how those clouds the MVP races (49:55–52:12).
  • "Ohtani’s preeminence is based on the fact that he’s a two-way player. We don’t know if he’s going to be able to be that as he goes forward." (50:26)

• Carl Ravitch Shout-Out:

  • Buster gives an emotional tribute to colleague Carl Ravitch after news of his departure from ESPN, saying, "I root for good stuff to happen to good people." (52:54–53:39)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Christopher Nolan and "The Odyssey"

• "You look over to your left and it’s Mia Goth. You look to your right, it's Elliot Page. And then Charlize Theron pops up as Calypso...it was almost like, man, these people are so famous that I don't know if we need to." – Jason Fraley (09:41–10:00)
• "I’ve never even heard of these movies." – Michael Wilbon (14:53)

On the British Open

• "A birdie on the last hole to win a major championship, that's pretty money golf right there." – Steve Sands (24:49)
• "It's part PGA Tour, part live, part major championship golf, part WWE..." – Steve Sands on Bryson DeChambeau (34:53)

On Baseball

• "JT just, I think, kind of lost his mind for a second... that’s in keeping with who he is." – Buster Olney (44:24)
• "They’re making it work, and I think forcing probably ownership to, to consider something it may not have even thought was possible a month ago and that's to actually be buyers before the trade deadline." – Buster Olney on the Red Sox (46:41)

Humor and Chemistry

• "Amateurs do that. They walk in there gingerly...That is something that you and I would do. You know, that is not something professional golfers do." – Steve Sands (35:05)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment | | ---------- | ---------------------------------------------------- | | 03:41–15:10 | Jason Fraley reviews Christopher Nolan’s “The Odyssey” | | 22:09–42:44 | British Open recap and golf stories with Steve Sands | | 43:57–53:56 | MLB roundup with Buster Olney |

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Additional Details

• Topics Skipped: As instructed, all advertisements, music breaks, and show format intros/outros have been omitted from this summary.
• Episode Tone: The trademark balance of irreverence, nostalgia, and sharp analysis is maintained throughout, with jokes about IMAX, sword-and-sandal clichés, and plenty of personality from every panelist.

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This episode delivers the perfect mix of highbrow film critique, sports nerd-outs, and the kind of everyday banter that has made “The Tony Kornheiser Show” a staple for listeners who love both the games and the stories around them.

Transcript

[Tony Kornheiser]

Hey, it's Tony. On today's show, we'll get a review of the Odyssey from Jason Fraley. We'll talk to Steve Sands about a television show he's involved in. And we'll talk some baseball with Buster Olney. But first, commerce.

[Show Announcer]

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[Steve Sands]

Things are booming along pretty well with the tomatoes. Got the peppers going

[Buster Olney]

early.

[Steve Sands]

Squirrel intelligence starting to appear.

[Jason Fraley]

They're on the move.

[Michael Wilbon]

Right, Right.

[Steve Sands]

So we're starting to set up defenses for that. I'm not home right now. I'm in Tampa and I'm a little bit concerned that this is when they're gonna strike, so.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, well, they know.

[Michael Wilbon]

They communicate that you're gone and then

[Steve Sands]

they go after it.

[Show Announcer]

The Tony Kornheiser show is on now, much like yesterday.

[Michael Wilbon]

We are guest loaded today and we're gonna get right to Jason. There is a movie out called the Odyssey. It's apparently a very big movie directed by Christopher Nolan, who's apparently a very big director. I haven't seen a movie in 10 years, so I don't know anymore. I know I read the Odyssey when I was in college and I have a vague sense of what it's about. I don't know anybody who's in it. Nigel just told me who's in it, that Matt Damon is in it. I tend to like Matt Damon. I don't know that Matt Damon can play a guy from antiquity, but he played a Martian. Yeah, he was believable as that, so maybe he can. Jason Frehley saw it last night at our request. He wanted to see it anyway, but this gave him a little bit extra boost. How is it? What? What is it? How is it? Because I do have a sense that it has been controversial in the sense that it has not had a unanimity of praise. And a lot of people have said, whoa, what's this? What are we talking about here? So what are your thoughts, Jason?

[Jason Fraley]

I love that. I love the intro, as always. I haven't seen a movie in 10 years.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah, so I watch sports, I watch the gnats. That's it. That's all I watch.

[Jason Fraley]

Exactly. Hey, you're being, you're telling it like it is. You're being honest. Well, you know, Christopher Nolan has dates back even, you know, more than. More than 10 years. Like, you know, I think, I personally think he's like the quintessential filmmaker of the 21st century. Like appointment viewing every time one of these movies. I remember renting Memento. This is like pre 911 at Blockbuster Video, you know, so to follow his career from that to the Prestige to the, you know, the Dark Knight trilogy, I remember seeing the Inception at the Uptown Theater, Interstellar, Dunkirk, and then of course, most recently, the Oscar winning Oppenheimer was big, big Oscar crowning achievement. He sort of, he sort of marked our time. So, you know, whenever one of these movies gets released, you want to run out and see it like on, especially this, on the biggest screen possible. So the, the Odyssey, I just like, like you said, I just saw it last night. It's definitely another epic piece of work by Christopher Nolan. It's a piece of work, man. It's. It's his first time doing a sword and sandal epic like this, you know, like the old, you know, Spartacus, etc.

[Michael Wilbon]

Sword and sandal.

[Caller or Guest]

Oh, yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

Oh, I like that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Sword and sandal.

[Michael Wilbon]

That's great. Go ahead.

[Buster Olney]

Yeah, I can't take, I can't take

[Jason Fraley]

credit for, for that, you know, but you're, you know, like the old Ben. Ben her. Spartacus, Lawrence of Arabia. Sure, I guess. Or I guess if since I'm adjacent, I should go Argonaut, something like that. But, but, but the technical craft is not like full display compared to some of those, you know, maybe some of the CGI monsters, the classic ones that are a little dated now. But the technical craft here is truly on display. It's his first one he ever shot entirely on 70 millimeter IMAX cameras. So I made sure to go see it up here in Frederick at the Regal Westview in IMAX so I could get the full effect. And let me tell you, when, when that Greek guy Poseidon is angry and the waves are crashing on Matt Damon's boat, like you feel it. I Thought the theater speakers were going to come crashing, crash me. So I'll probably go see it again to fully appreciate it. Like, a lot of his movies are kind of like, you know, like tightly wound clocks. You. I like to go see them multiple times because some of it, some of it kind of, you know, it doesn't click for me on the first viewing almost every time. But, but the set pieces are great. The Cyclops, the CGI creature for the Cyclops is, is amazing and refreshing. And then the Trojan horse, you know, we all know the Trojan horse story. You know, the Battle of Troy. It's. I'll say it's. I don't want to spoil it, but it's refreshingly different than we've seen before. It's not on like the big wheels, Rol. It's a little bit different. I kind of liked it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Can I, can I ask a question here? Because you have in.

[Michael Wilbon]

Matt Damon is a great actor,

[Tony Kornheiser]

but

[Michael Wilbon]

he's not a comic book hero actor. He's really not. Most of these large scale epic movies that have to do with, you know, thunder and lightning use special effects that are not realistic. Is this, is this realistic or, you know, or is it a comic book movie?

[Jason Fraley]

I definitely wouldn't say. Yeah, just, just because Nolan made the Dark Knight movies. I wouldn't say. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, you know, worry that it's too much of a quote unquote, comic book movie if you're not into that. Like, like, even on the Dark Knight, he was doing practical effects. Like they actually flipped an 18 wheeler truck with Heath Ledger there and Christian Bale.

[Michael Wilbon]

Like, I'm only, yeah, I'm only bringing this up because there, the Odyssey has been around for a long time. People know what it's about. It doesn't have Batman, it doesn't have Superman. It doesn't have flying people. And I'm wondering, you know, does it not have flying people? Which is what I would like to believe.

[Jason Fraley]

I'm speaking your language.

[Steve Sands]

Yeah.

[Jason Fraley]

Well, to me you're saying is Matt. Would Matt Damon typically flop into a movie like this? Well, I, Yeah, like him and Damon and Affleck made a movie, a Ridley Scott movie. Remember Ridley May Gladiator? They did a movie a couple of years ago called the Last Duel, which was like an epic historical drama. I don't know if you guys saw it, but maybe that's what kind of wet my palate for to see. Okay, Matt Damon can do a movie like this. And here it's a pretty. I think it's a darn good performance. He. He has to play the stuff he juggles because it's jumping in time a lot. He has to play the younger, you know, Odysseus during the Trojan War. And it's kind of warts and all too. We see that it's not just some heroic war hero. It sort of a brutal attack on Troy, the women and children, et cetera.

[Buster Olney]

It's kind of.

[Jason Fraley]

It's morally complex. But then he has to play the older Odysseus trying to return home and, you know, facing all of these obstacles. So he has to do a lot. Anne Hathaway as his wife Penelope, waiting for him to return to Ithaca and fending off a dozen, you know, dozens and dozens of these suitors saying she can't take a new husband until she finishes weaving this shroud. And then one of those suitors, Robert Pattinson, remember from the Twilight movies, he's actually very hateable in this movie as one of her primary suitors. But, Tony, it's interesting you mentioned. It's interesting you mentioned the superhero. It is one of my two. The casting is kind of one of my two critiques of it.

[Steve Sands]

First.

[Jason Fraley]

First critique. It is. It is. Well, it's non linear, jumps around in time a lot. But the linear stuff we do see, it's kind of like a rock skipping across the pond. It's like, all right, now we're at the Cyclops and now we're at the Sirens and on to the next. It's a lot in this epic, epic film. But in terms of the superheroes that you mentioned, there's so many famous actors even in the supporting roles, like, you know, in the margins of the screen, that it's almost jarring at first. Like, we get Tom Holland, who's been Spider man to your point, as their son, hearing stories about the mythic father waiting to return. So he gets a lot of screen time, but there's barely any screen time for Zendaya. Lupita Nyong' o is Helena Troy, and she's kind of barely in it too. Then you look over to your left and it's Mia Goth. You look to your right, it's Elliot Page. And then Charlize Theron pops up as Calypso. Samantha Morton, Himesh Patel, Corey Hawkins, John Bernthal. And John Leguizamo does get a lot of time as a blind, wise elder. I love John, but. But mostly, though, it's kind of got that. Do you remember the Greatest Story Ever Told is talking of sword and sandal, a biblical Epic. Where it was like even the smallest roles were such massive stars. Like Sidney Cordier shows up just to carry Jesus's cross and John Wayne is a centurion at the crucifixion. At the end, surely he's the son of God. Like, it almost. It was almost like, man, these people are so famous that I don't know if we need to. It took me out of it a little bit in the beginning and then it got going and it does build to a powerful climax. I will say that I would assume,

[Michael Wilbon]

well, everybody knows the story, but I would assume that great people, if they are in this, in these smaller roles, that that is a way to say to Christopher Nolan, you're fabulous and I want to be a part of whatever you're doing. Right. That's what I'm assuming.

[Jason Fraley]

Oh, absolutely. It's almost like, okay, I want to hitch my career wagon to this. This filmmaker. Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Absolutely. And got to remember, I mean, he. He puts out these movies and they do huge. Like, no one before going into Oppenheimer. Remember the whole Barbenheimer summer with Oppenheimer and Barbie? Yeah, no one you could have predicted Barbie would do big just based on it. Margot Robbie, etc. But. And Ryan Gosling, but, you know, and thought that Oppenheimer, you know, you thought it would get critical acclaim about nuclear, you know, the science of a nuclear atom bomb. But no one thought it was going to, you know, be like a top five grocer of the year and all that. So, like, I think it's sort of. And it won Best Picture, which is sort of rare these days, the best picture and the blockbuster at the same time nowadays, which I kind of like. I love that. So I think after that big, it was sort of Oppenheimer's the big crowning achievement. And so now it's like, oh, he's going to attempt the Odyssey. Okay, I want in. You know, even. Even the biggest actors are like, I want it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. The reason I'm asking these questions is

[Michael Wilbon]

because, again, this is a story that every English major has read and committed to memory and understands what it is. And I guess I don't want to see eight foot tall cats that, you know, that jump around and get involved in clawing fights, you know, because that would not have happened. I want, I don't want to have to suspend my disbelief. I want to believe that this is a realistic portrayal. That's what I'm asking.

[Steve Sands]

Is it.

[Michael Wilbon]

Is it attempted to be realistic? In other words, the limits of what humans can actually Do.

[Jason Fraley]

Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there's some literary scholars that might take issue with some of maybe, you know, maybe some of the liberty taken. But. But not. Not with the creatures, like you're saying. I think, you know, because a lot of this is a fantasy poem, so you. There is like some Lord of the Rings style esque, you know, CGI stuff that pops up like the Cyclops and like, you know, et cetera. So, you know, it's not. It's not that. It's not that it strays from the poem in terms of believability, in terms

[Steve Sands]

of like, the creatures.

[Jason Fraley]

But some literary scholars might take issue with. With sort of, you know, the. Like there's a for instance, there's a part towards the end where I guess this is sort of where the Oppenheimer thematic comes through, where Matt Damon's character, we kind of get to go in his head a little bit as he looks around and contemplates the moral dilemma of slaughtering everyone during the droid. And that's sort of. So I guess that's sort of Nolan reflecting on having just done a movie about Hiroshima and Nagasaki without even actually showing the devastation. So I think there is a little of that. And some literary scholars might be like, well, the original character and Homer might have been more tapped. You know, Greece. Greece is the word with. With Homer. Like, this is great Greek mythology and he knew what he was talking about with. With the morality of all of it and, you know, the feeling and, you know, with the gods.

[Steve Sands]

But.

[Jason Fraley]

So I guess you could criticize. It's a nuanced criticism, though. I will say, you know, it's. It's not a grand slam for me. I'll probably go back a couple times. Like, it's not a grand slam, but it is a. It is a Homer. Pun intended. Like, I had to go back and see Dunkirk like, three times and I saw Interstellar twice just to fully appreciate it. Like, they don't always click for me on first viewing in the theater. It's almost like Overwhel. But I will say it's one of the best of the year I've seen. I'd put this up with. If you haven't seen this project, Hail Mary Obsession and the Invite. Tony, you might like the Invite. It's more Woody Allen for the modern era. Go see the Invite as well.

[Michael Wilbon]

I've never even heard of these movies.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I've never heard of. Listen, this is Jason. This is very good.

[Michael Wilbon]

Thank you so much for doing this for us. Thank you, Jason.

[Jason Fraley]

Absolutely.

[Michael Wilbon]

Jason Fraley, boys and girls. You want to see it, don't you?

[Caller or Guest]

Oh, sure, yeah. Well, remember reading it as a kid?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Producer Nigel]

Like, yeah, in preparation for the movie, I've been going back and reading my college version. But it's interesting. The. The one that I read in college was the Fagles translation, which was the 1996. And then I think this one's based on the 2017 Wilson version, which has sort of a different understanding of the characters.

[Michael Wilbon]

I didn't call out Jason on this. He said that he thought Christopher Nolan was the greatest director of the 21st century. And my immediate reaction was, oh, Steven Spielberg.

[Tony Kornheiser]

But most of his stuff was in

[Michael Wilbon]

the 20s, so that's why I kept my mouth shut on that. But I, you know, I do have a couple of minutes left to talk about the gnats. Did you watch?

[Producer Nigel]

I love that you're focused on the reality of a world where the gods walk down into the. Into the. Into our world and intervene in human issues. But, yes.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah, let's worry about the cats.

[Michael Wilbon]

So the Nets, they were up 2 nothing last night. And the starter, who was just an opener from Meatball Nicholas, couldn't even get out of the second. They had to bring Nicklaus in. Couldn't. He was down four two when he left the game.

[Producer Nigel]

And.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And then C.J.

[Michael Wilbon]

abrams had a couple of home runs, and the Nats either got to the lead or tied for the lead. And then they brought in Beater, and that was it. And a guy hit a home run and they lose in Colorado. I mean, I didn't stay up for it. No, no, no.

[Producer Nigel]

But the guy who had a home run is a. A, is a.

[Steve Sands]

It's a good hitter.

[Producer Nigel]

Bad.

[Michael Wilbon]

So, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, the Nats, that was a game the Nats had a real chance to win.

[Caller or Guest]

Disappointing when you lose when you have a lead and against a team like Colorado, like, oh, we're better than these guys.

[Michael Wilbon]

Well, yes, they are. I mean, everybody is actually better.

[Producer Nigel]

They had the lead for one inning.

[Steve Sands]

Well, they got it back immediately.

[Producer Nigel]

Okay.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They. They had.

[Producer Nigel]

Dad, did you watch any of the Dodgers Phillies game?

[Michael Wilbon]

I didn't. I watched this morning. I saw this morning the double play.

[Steve Sands]

Okay.

[Producer Nigel]

Did you see earlier the added second that stopped the then tying run earlier in the game from getting home?

[Michael Wilbon]

Shohei. Well, he was out. Yeah, you could see it clearly on the replay. I. I didn't. I did not understand. We'll ask Buster about both of those things, but Shohei was clearly out, and the run would not have scored right if he's out. Well, if the run got home first, yeah, the run would have scored, but the guy sort of slowed down going home.

[Jason Fraley]

Yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah, but I mean, the. The Shohei part. He was out as soon as you. I mean, he watched it. Looked out on live time. Yeah, I did watch that.

[Caller or Guest]

Hmm.

[Michael Wilbon]

Christopher Nolan. What else has he done?

[Caller or Guest]

Oh, he's done. Well, the. The Batman series, the Dark Knight trilogy.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah, but that's.

[Caller or Guest]

He did Dunkirk, which was fantastic. Space move called Interstellar.

[Michael Wilbon]

Is it stupid for me to ask Jason if we're gonna see 10 foot tall cats and jumping around? I. Because it's a story that we all sort of know now. It lends itself.

[Producer Nigel]

Okay. When you hear the Odyssey.

[Michael Wilbon]

The Odyssey lends itself to that, right? Yeah, yeah. If you have the cyclops, I don't want the cyclops to be 20ft tall.

[Caller or Guest]

I think he's a big fellow, but

[Michael Wilbon]

I think he wants to be. But human proportions, just like Shaq. Like, larger, but not extraordinary in some way that it becomes comic. That's what I'm worried about.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't know.

[Michael Wilbon]

I'm not gonna see it. So I don't know.

[Producer Nigel]

These movies are designed for screens that, you know, are relatively hard to find versus just the normal movie.

[Michael Wilbon]

That's what he's saying.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah. The imax. Yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

If you have to see everything, how much of the.

[Producer Nigel]

How much of the frame is then, you know, out of vision. If you go to see a normal movie or eventually you see it at

[Michael Wilbon]

home, and you're gonna miss things.

[Steve Sands]

Yeah.

[Caller or Guest]

And I think I read this somewhere.

[Michael Wilbon]

You're gonna miss Shaq and the cameo as the cyclops.

[Caller or Guest]

Shaq is the cyclops. But I think there's something about IMAX cameras that they don't have the blueprints or the technology the know how to make anymore. So whatever is out there, I mean, like, the.

[Michael Wilbon]

Whoever made somebody lost it.

[Producer Nigel]

Like, they just engineer it.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Caller or Guest]

I'm telling you, I've read this on a couple of different places.

[Michael Wilbon]

AI it.

[Jason Fraley]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Really?

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

I'm sure now when I look things up in.

[Tony Kornheiser]

In my phone.

[Caller or Guest]

Oh, you have to check.

[Michael Wilbon]

It just says AI.

[Caller or Guest]

You're like, no, I don't.

[Michael Wilbon]

I don't want that.

[Producer Nigel]

Can come down and help us get a new theater.

[Michael Wilbon]

I don't want this. I was looking up Tim Brown yesterday,

[Tony Kornheiser]

and then it said, AI.

[Michael Wilbon]

Stuff with Tim Brown. No, no, he played his whole career.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, I actually want that.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Ridiculous. All right, we'll get out of here. Steve Sands.

[Caller or Guest]

Steve Sands.

[Tony Kornheiser]

When we return. Steve Sands when we return. I'm Tony Kornheiser.

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[Philip Martin]

You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser Show.

[Michael Wilbon]

This is Philip Martin.

[Tony Kornheiser]

His first song is a song called

[Michael Wilbon]

Richie Allen Weeps, which means this is a baseball fan.

[Tony Kornheiser]

We understand this. And he writes. Really been enjoying the music you guys been playing. Especially fond of Gus Gustofferson and Betty sue, with whom I spent a few minutes when she passed through Little Rock opening for James McMurtry, son of the novelist Larry. Wow. I'm talking. I'm taking the liberty of sending along three songs for your consideration. Two baseball related. The first is Richie Allen Weeps, which is really a meditation on the closing and demolition of Little Rock's Ray Winder Field some years ago. Its replacement, Dickey Stephens park, is one of the best minor league facilities in the country. And a short stroll along the river from my house. A line in the song refers to a great song about Allen by the Philly based singer songwriter Chuck Brodsky called Letters in the Dirt. And then later, we're going to play

[Michael Wilbon]

a version of Wes Parker in Paris. I mean, these are. These are baseball people.

[Caller or Guest]

First baseman, right?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes.

[Michael Wilbon]

For the Dodgers Makes me very happy.

[Jason Fraley]

Happy.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Thank you to Philip Martin who plays in Steve Sands.

[Michael Wilbon]

We.

[Tony Kornheiser]

The British Open is.

[Michael Wilbon]

Is over by three days because today is Wednesday and yet I will always have Sands on and I will always ask him to recap what happened. So how. How. What did you think of the British Open, particularly the Sunday and how it ended and who gagged and who did not?

[Steve Sands]

I thought it was a great week, Tony. Royal Birkdale is so good. I had many, many play. I mean, like, I. Dozens of players tell me that Royal Birkdale is the best golf course in England. Really. It doesn't get a lot of love like St. Andrews or Royal Port Rush, you know, for the Open championship venues. Turnberry, when it was played back in the day. But Brookdale was awesome and I thought it was really good. I dig an underdog story. I love the way Ryan Fox goes about his business. Very quick player. I mean, really, really fast player. I wish every player would learn from him. I'm talking about from the grassroots all the way up to the professional level. And he's a really, really nice guy. He's got a great backstory. His father was a absolute rugby star on the the All Blacks, which is the most famous rugby team in the world, from New Zealand. And I asked, Frank Nabalo is a good friend. I was in the booth on Saturday when Ryan Fox was going to shoot 62. And Frank Nabilo is a real good friend of mine. As you know, used to work with him a lot on Golf Channel. He went over to cbs. We worked together a bunch. We'll see him this weekend in Minneapolis for the 3M Open. And I said to him, I got Frank's from New Zealand and is a very big star back in New Zealand. And I asked him, I go, you know, what's Ryan Fox's dad like? You know, give me a little backstory on him. And he said he was a baller. He was a. Was just an absolute clutch, clutch player. And that gene clearly fell down to Ryan Fox because he was money coming down the stretch. I don't know if anybody gave it up, Tony. I think Ryan really went out and won it. I mean, I, you know, Sam had a chance, others had a chance. Sam Burns, excuse me, had a chance.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yes, they had the lead on Sunday.

[Steve Sands]

See, we came out of chance, but it was early when they, you know, got their bogeys. It wasn't like, it was like giving them up real late. And I think Ryan Fox went out and grabbed it, Tony. I mean, he absolutely hit some great Shots coming down the stretch on 17 and 18, especially after the bad break on the drive at the par five 17th. And I mean, that drive, the second shot, and making that putt on 18, a birdie on the last hole to win a major championship, that's. That's pretty money golf right there. I think he went out and won it more than someone else lost it.

[Michael Wilbon]

I'm not going to suggest he didn't win it because four birdies in the last six holes and a birdie on 18, which had only yielded to that point, 25 birdies all week, he won it. But those other people opened the door for him. I mean, Sam Burns and Si Woo

[Tony Kornheiser]

Kim opened the door for him because

[Michael Wilbon]

they had the lead on the last day and gave up the lead. I want to go back to what you're saying about Ryan Fox, who could play. He could play with the legends at Columbia. When we play an entire round of golf in two hours and 50 minutes because we like to play fast, you can do that. But. And I'll bring Michael in because Michael is a fast golfer. But if you're in a Sunday twosome and you're in the last group and one of your guys wants to unnerve you, he just gets deliberately slow. Because I believe. And Michael, you talk to this. I think fast golfers are far more unnerved than with slow play than slow players are with fast play.

[Steve Sands]

Correct?

[Producer Nigel]

Yeah. And that's why you see sometimes the walk in between the bag, pacing off a yard, and you're just trying to stay distracted. If you look at him on 18, he was teed up, ready to go, look like he was going to play through the group in front of him. I think it was Scheffler earlier in the week was like, sometimes I think you were just playing a two ball out here because he's off on his own.

[Michael Wilbon]

So what do you think, Steve?

[Steve Sands]

He's one of the fastest players in the world now. Obviously, he's world famous now, but he's won a couple of times on the PGA Tour. A lot of people on the PGA Tour, you know, have known him for a long, long time to be one of the faster players. And for. For all the years I've been covering golf, the thing I probably hear more than anything else about the way the game is played, whether it's kids or at the highest level. But in this case, the highest level, fast players are way more bothered by slow players than slow players are bothered by fast players because it takes them out of the rhythm and a lot of times, the better the player is who could be on the slower side. Not necessarily a slow player, but on the slower side.

[Buster Olney]

They know that.

[Steve Sands]

So there's a gamesmanship aspect to it. Nothing's illegal about it, nothing's wrong with it. Exactly. A deliberate player is a better way to put it than a slow player. And thank you. Patrick can't, Patrick can't lay. You know, he understands he's a slower player than Ryan Fox. And if those two guys, not those two guys in particular, but if they did, is playing that. Exactly. A slow player is playing with a fast player. A slow player knows that he can get under the other player's skin much faster, if you will, no pun intended. And a quick player can by teeing it up pretty quickly. We were telling you, our producer Tommy Roy, who is a world class producer at NBC Sports, I mean literally in the broadcasting hall of fame. And he, I mean, we were like, this guy is so fast. Our producers, our camera guys, we were having a hard time keeping up with him because when you have two guys or three guys in the first couple of days in the same group, it's hard to go shot, shot, shot. When this guy's playing so fast, you know, else plays that way is Ludwig Oberg. Ludwig. If Ludwig. We were joking. Yes, he plays fast very, very quickly. If we were, we were joking during commercial on the weekend that if Ryan Fox and Ludwig Oberg were playing in the final group, they might be waiting on every shot because they play so quickly.

[Michael Wilbon]

They're just play through, play through. The people in front of you, play through.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So come on, that's fine.

[Steve Sands]

I think it's a great lesson for all the kids out there who are watching. You know, kids watch professionals. That's what I don't like about now. I'm old and old school, but I don't love it when guys are dancing after touchdowns or cornerbacks are yapping all the time whenever they make a nice play, or in this case in golf when they're doing aim point or something ridiculous like that, because kids watch that. And now more kids are playing unfortunately slower because of this aim point and all that kind of stuff. Whereas if Ryan Fox, let's say he wins four of the next five majors, the kids will start playing quickly because they watch the pros and they emulate them. And I, I wish more players in this particular sport would play quickly as opposed not fast, but just quicker than they play now because this aim point thing is really slowing things down.

[Michael Wilbon]

I was very confident that there was going to be A playoff. Very confident between Cameron Young and Ryan Fox. And then Cameron Young bogeyed 18, right. He's got to be punching himself in the head on that one because he had.

[Producer Nigel]

It was a good bogey save.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah, he had that in his grasp. He had the round in his grasp. Right.

[Steve Sands]

No question. But again, I don't think he choked, per se. You got to remember, you know, Cameron Young made that bogey two hours before the other guy.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's right.

[Steve Sands]

Got to 18. The weird thing about 18 is. And it was just like 17. The thing about Royal Birkdale that I heard more than anything, other than the fact that it was their favorite course in all of England, is that it's the fairest of all the Open championship courses on the rota. And one of the things that makes it fair is that there are a lot of humps and bumps on the fairways, just like they are at every other links golf course over in the UK but they're. They're flatter at Royal Burkdale. However, on 18, if you hit it to the right side, and 17 as well, if you hit it to the right half of the fairway, a lot of times, those pot bunkers, those going in the bunker, yeah, they're like magnets, man. And they are like magnets to those golf balls. And if you hit it on the right side of that fairway, a lot of times, that ball would roll out. For instance, Ryan Fox hit. And now he hits the ball a long ways, but he hit an iron.

[Jason Fraley]

All right.

[Steve Sands]

That bunker is 326 off the tee. He hit an iron on 17, and that ball went into the bunker and

[Michael Wilbon]

had to go back.

[Steve Sands]

Rolled and rolled and rolled, and it's just. It's just really difficult to navigate your way around links golf. There are a lot of vagaries to it. I think that's one of the beauties of Lynx golf. But again, I know Cameron Bogey at 18. I know Sam Burns had a chance. I know Siwoo Kim had a chance, but I think Ryan Fox went out and grabbed it. I'm happy for him.

[Michael Wilbon]

You had Morikawa and Rory and maybe Fleetwood, though you acknowledge the pressure Fleetwood was under. Morikawa was near the lead for the. For the first two days, wasn't he?

[Tony Kornheiser]

And then.

[Steve Sands]

Yeah, he was. You know, we. We spoke last week, and he was my pick to win. I. I just thought he would be great with his iron play. He's the best iron player in the world, and I thought that he would just overcome the other parts of his game. And that golf course and win. And he got off to a good start and then he gave a couple of back late on Thursday. And you, you just can't do that at major championships. You're going to make bogeys, you're going to make mistakes for sure. But if you start making doubles or more, if you start going backwards like Siwoo Kim in the middle portion of his round and you can't recover, that's a problem. So Morikawa, I thought, had a really good chance going into the week to win and he got off to a nice start, but he just couldn't get over the hump and then kind of hovered there in the middle and then he was out of it.

[Michael Wilbon]

I've got to go to DeChambeau because it's complicated. DeChambeau gets a two stroke penalty on Friday and then holds everybody hostage by threatening not to play on Saturday, literally for hours. I imagine creating great enmity among his fellow players. Most of what I have read says that they all acknowledge that that is a penalty, inadvertent or not, that that is a penalty. They had no problem with it. Rory, of course, hates him, which makes me laugh and just says I don't like the guy, so get out of here, shut up. Basically. But what are your thoughts on DeChambeau, on the penalty, on the way he acted after that, and the sort of karma of tripling 11 on Sunday.

[Steve Sands]

So we go on the air on Thursday and Friday at 6:30am local time, it's 1:30am Eastern and go all the way to the finish, which is usually around 8:45pm so those are a couple of long days. You would have loved this, Tony. It's a very quick TV thing, but I know you so well, you would have loved this. So the dechamba thing happens late. He's in one of those featured groups late on Friday and all the craziness happens. He doesn't sign a scorecard. We realize something is going on and we stay on the air. Well, who knew we were going to stay on the air for another hour, 20 minutes because he literally took the event hostage. Goes out to the, goes out to the fifth hole and he's got his caddy there. That's perfectly fine because he's making his, stating his case, making his case, trying to, you know, beg to not get the two shots. He was going to get the two shots the whole time. The RNA told us that, you know, it wasn't up to the player at this point, it was up to them. And what they saw was what everybody else saw, which was he deserved a two shot penalty, inadvertent or not, by the way, the agent was out there and the swing coach was out, like, what are you doing, Bryson? Like, get off the stage. It should be just the player and the caddy. It should not be the agent and. And the swing coach and all that kind of stuff. But that's part of the show that is Bryson DeChambeau. It's part PGA Tour, part live, part major championship golf, part WWE, is what you get, you know, from Bryson DeChambeau. The penalty was deserved, Tony. You know, here's why. All the professionals who were texting and talking to us the entire time, including the two guys to my left in the booth booth, Kurt Byram, who's a PGA Tour winner, and Jim Furyk, who was an incredibly accomplished player, won the US Open. They both knew it right away. And here's why. When professional golfers hit a ball into the situation that Bryson did, they don't walk in there like an elephant, all right? Amateurs do that. They walk in there gingerly, all right? And I'm not saying it's inadvertent or not. I don't know. I can't get into the mind of Bryson dechambell. All I can tell you is between the two analysts who were in the booth with me at the time when it was going on, and every other golfer I know at the highest level who was texting in, they were like, hang on a second. Whether he did it on purpose or not, when you walk into a situation like that, like an elephant, and you're moving around bushes and weeds and impeding things that would have. Have probably impeded your backswing, you're improving your lie, inadvertently or not, that's something an amateur would do. So when we saw it live on the fifth hole, we didn't think anything of it, but Jim and Kurt did, because they see it differently than people like me and you, Tony. They're professionals. You know, we're amateurs. And they knew. They were like, wait, that doesn't look right. And it was an automatic to. It should have been two. He got the two. And, you know, the threatening to not play the next day and the theatrics, you could argue back and forth, whether that's good or bad, I don't know. It's a good tv. Is it bad tv? Is he showing off? Is he trying to get out of it? Who knows? But it's part of the Bryson DeChambeau circus. But for sure, he deserved the two shot penalty.

[Producer Nigel]

Okay?

[Steve Sands]

Every professional Golfer I spoke to, every single one of them was like, whoa. Not, not that he meant to do it per se, because you don't know that for sure, but for sure he walked in there and that is a two shot penal. You cannot do. That is something that you and I would do. You know, that is not something professional golfers do.

[Michael Wilbon]

I would also identify my ball and put it up so that I could hit it. But that's why I don't do this for a living.

[Steve Sands]

You know what's really strange about that scenario that what happened just before that, this is live on tv, so you never know what's going to happen. But when he hit his tee shot all the way to the right is a short, drivable par four. Very cool hole, very cool hole. And he hit it way to the right. He then teed it up quickly and hit a provisional. And now that rule, I do know, you know, we've got to know the rules. It's part of our job. You can't hit a provisional if you hit the ball in a penalty area. And we thought, oh, that's going to be the penalty, not the other. And at the time when it happened live. Again, this is live, so you don't really know what's going on down there. Then we were notified. Just before he hit the provisional, he was told by somebody, a marshal or somebody out there, they radioed it back to the tee that the ball was not in the penalty area so that he could hit the provisional in case they couldn't find it. So there was a lot going on there. But without question, Tony, he deserved the two shot penalty whether he liked it or not. That was a two shot penalty for sure. All right, I'll get you another interesting scenario. If that was Sunday, I was telling Val Sands this yesterday, if that was Sunday, they would, they would have notified him on the fifth hole.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah, right then and there.

[Steve Sands]

Because if you have a one shot lead on 18, you're going to play the, you're going to play that hole differently. Differently on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, they don't have people who are wondering why they didn't notify him until after his round, before he signed his scorecard. You do that on Thursday, Friday and Saturday. But in the final round on Sunday, strategically you would play perhaps differently on the back nine, especially late if you're leading or you're one back, one or the other. And that was another part of the scenario that people were trying to figure out why they were not telling him. That's the reason they didn't tell him. Because Thursday, Friday and Saturday, you can wait till the end. Sunday, you can't wait till the end. That's not fair to the player.

[Michael Wilbon]

All right. To get you out of here on this. And it's. I buried the lead. Are you in a show called the Hawk with Will Ferrell? Are you in the show? Are you in the show? People tell me this is a very funny show. My daughter watched the first season, said it was really funny.

[Steve Sands]

Yeah, I was. I got a call. I got a call late last year, and I figured. Excuse me. I figured it was like a friend of mine just messing with me, asking to come out to LA and do a cameo for the show. It was a lot of fun. Got to meet Will Ferrell. Could not have been a nice, nicer guy. Luke Wilson's in it. Could not have been a nicer guy. We were talking about all kinds of stuff. Hollywood, golf, sports, life, family. Spent the day out there. Molly Shannon, a couple of other actors and actresses who you would recognize. People would recognize her in it. It was. It was an amazing experience. I. I still don't understand why they called me, but it was a lot of fun.

[Singer or Musician]

It's great.

[Steve Sands]

And they're good people, and it is amazing to see how the sausage is made, if you will, how those kinds of things are done.

[Jason Fraley]

It was.

[Steve Sands]

It was a very, very cool experience. And, man, the pal. I was telling Val Sanders yesterday, actually, again, the power of Netflix and the power of Will Ferrell. I've gotten more texts from people I haven't heard from in years about this show, and I'm like, okay, I haven't seen it. I'm not. You know, I'm not. I'm not into Googling myself or watching myself, but it's. It was a fun experience. Done.

[Buster Olney]

It was very.

[Michael Wilbon]

That's great.

[Jason Fraley]

Yeah.

[Steve Sands]

No, could not have been a nicer guy.

[Michael Wilbon]

That's. It's. It's. It's fun. And you're going to get residual checks for the rest of time, so that they may only be for $0.27 still, but you're going to get it for the rest of time.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So I actually had a good time.

[Steve Sands]

I actually think it's gonna be 26 cents.

[Buster Olney]

Yeah.

[Poet or Reader]

Okay.

[Steve Sands]

By the way, can I just say one thing? Can I say one thing? Because I know he's listening, because he listens to every show, just like me. Me, I was out in Tahoe for the American Century Championship and ran into Greg Garcia. Obviously, we chatted. We had a great time. We had a lot of fun. We Were hanging out. And then I saw his act on Saturday, Tony. He warmed up for Nate Bargazi and Ray Romano was on stage as well. You're talking about Nate bargazi is the first ballot hall of fame comedian Ray Romano, even though he's past his prime, is a first ballot hall of fame comedian. Greg Garcia got up and I'm good friends with Greg and I love Greg and the show loves Greg. But let me tell you, to watch him do that in person on stage, that's got to be the most difficult thing to do in all of entertainment. The this, you know, to quote Bill Raftery, the onions it takes to do that. I mean, my God, it was incredible. And I mean, I know he's funny. We both know he's funny. We all know he's funny. But to do it like that, it's incredible, man. I was in awe of our good friend Greg Garcia. I thought it was amazing to see it. And my God, is he funny. Tony, Jesus, you.

[Michael Wilbon]

Between you and Alan Bubis, you know everyone in the world. Everyone in the world. You and the socialite, you know them all.

[Steve Sands]

What are you talking about? We all know Greg Garcia. What are you talking about?

[Michael Wilbon]

I know, but I'm saying you know everybody, though. You know everybody.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Everybody comes up to me and says,

[Michael Wilbon]

oh, sans is here, or sans was there, or sans is doing.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, everybody knows.

[Michael Wilbon]

All right, enjoy. What?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Minnesota.

[Steve Sands]

You're so full of it, Tony.

[Michael Wilbon]

It's, you know, you and Alan know everybody. And you know Alan and he knows you.

[Steve Sands]

It's, by the way, Alan Beavis. I love Alan Beavis, man. I want to be Alan Beavis. What did you say that? Great line.

[Michael Wilbon]

Two questions.

[Steve Sands]

Last time he has to answer. You gave me a great line. That's what it was. What is it?

[Michael Wilbon]

He has to answer two questions every day. Where am I playing and what's for dinner? And that's it.

[Singer or Musician]

That's all.

[Michael Wilbon]

That's it.

[Steve Sands]

If anybody does not aspire to do that, you're out of your mind. Yeah. Heading to Minnesota for the fifth major. The 3M Open.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah. Enjoy.

[Steve Sands]

For a couple of weeks, we'll have to get together and play a little golf, have some dinner, have a drink.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah, we'll go to Rehoboth.

[Steve Sands]

All right.

[Michael Wilbon]

Be good on your account. Yeah, it's fine.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Everybody else is on it. You can be on it.

[Buster Olney]

Just give me.

[Steve Sands]

Just give me Kornheiser 3711. Thanks, Buster.

[Michael Wilbon]

Only when we return.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'm Tony Kornheiser.

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[Tony Kornheiser]

once again.

[Michael Wilbon]

This is Philip Martin, who we like very much.

[Caller or Guest]

Oh, yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

This song is called Wes Parker in Paris song inspired by his friend, former colleague and Washington Post feature writer Michael Leahy's book on the LA Dodgers, the Last Innocence. The bass player Randall Berry contributes some very shy backing vocals on the track. He's Expendable. If Tony ever wants to come out of retirement. Michael, if people like Philip Martin want to send in their original music, how do they do it?

[Producer Nigel]

Send us your music by emailing it to jinglesneycornizershow.com and this segment with Buster

[Tony Kornheiser]

Only is brought to you by FanDuel. Play your game. There's a lot of things to talk about with baseball as we resume baseball. I think we need to start small.

[Michael Wilbon]

We need to start with that double play last night with the Dodgers.

[Buster Olney]

Oh, boy.

[Michael Wilbon]

What? So JT Real Muto takes complete responsibility for it, but what do you think he's even thinking when he tries to go back to second base when he is safely on third? What is he thinking?

[Buster Olney]

I think in an instant, you know, with the play going in front of him, he's thinking Justin Crawford might be able to extend the pickle.

[Steve Sands]

Right?

[Buster Olney]

And maybe he gets out of it. He's Carl Crawford's son. He's. His speed is breathtaking. And JT just, I think, kind of lost his mind for a second thinking that, that. That Justin was going to Merchant. That's the only explanation I had. And jt, as you know, is one of the great pros. And it doesn't support. He probably was waiting for reporters to come through the door to stand in front of his locker, say, yep, you know, brain fart. Terrible move by me. I mean, that's. That's in keeping with who he is.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, I think so.

[Michael Wilbon]

I also have to go to the Red Sox. They were rained out last night. They've won 13 or 14 in a row. They are upsetting the apple cart on every level, including the trade deadline, because nobody knows what's going on with them. What do you make?

[Tony Kornheiser]

What do you make of the Red Sox?

[Michael Wilbon]

They made a managerial switch early. They brought in another guy who had no particular salutary effect on the team for a month or two. But now something is going on there. What is going on?

[Buster Olney]

Yeah. And Chad Tracy, you know, the son of former major league manager Jim Tracy, you know, Chad Tracy, who, you know was drafted. He played in the minor leagues for years, but he never got to the big leagues until he was hired, offered the job by Craig Breslow when Alex Cora was fired. And the team is responding. I think the primary reason, of course, is the pitching. You know, for all the criticism that, you know, folks like me have given Craig Breslow about leadership and how do you build a team without power? He focused on pitching and the pitching has manifested. The bullpen has an ERA just over one since this winning streak began. And let's face it, Tony, it's the American League. It's, it stinks like it's so wide open that you could see a team that could make a run like this. And the funny thing is because the, the Red Sox have searched forward. They're now in the third wild card spot. It is totally complicated the equation for the Detroit Tigers who now have drip drifted backward to five games out in the race for the third wild card. They're not making up ground because the Red Sox are winning every day and

[Michael Wilbon]

they are doing it without Roman Anthony, without Story, without Crochet. I mean, these are the three of

[Tony Kornheiser]

their five highest paid and most highly regarded players.

[Buster Olney]

They're not there and there's no, those guys are, you know, they're not coming through the door anytime soon. Crochet has not started throwing program. Anthony has this, you know, this very touchy injury with his hand. He's not coming back anytime soon. They're making it work and I think forcing probably ownership to, to consider something it may not have even thought was possible a month ago and that's to actually be buyers before the trade deadline to go out and get the right handed hitter they so desperately need.

[Michael Wilbon]

I am familiar with Tarek Skubal's contract situation. He is about to become a free agent. So if you trade for him and you can't sign him, you are renting him for two months. Mason Miller is a fabulous reliever. Do you expect both these people to be moved?

[Buster Olney]

I think the Tigers are on an absolute on the fence. I mean, just hang it in there. I loved what AJ Hinch, their manager, said the other day about their games. Right now they're playing game seven every Day, Yeah, like between now and the trade deadline. And I think that's 100% right. Where, you know, on Saturday when they won, I was on SportsCenter and I said, look, they're playing at 102 win pace since the beginning of June. But you know what? Now they lost on Sunday and they lost last night. And their playoff odds, according FanGraphs, are down to 28%. If they don't make up ground here in the next, yeah, he's going to be traded. And a team like the Braves or the Tampa Bay Rays or, you know, maybe the Phillies, they'll be the team to make that move. And Mason Miller, I had a GM say to me last night he thinks the Padres are going to trade and this is the best closer in baseball. 0.89 ERA, struck out 48% of the batters that he's faced. I'm looking at the Yankees and I'm looking at the Seattle Mariners being potential buyers there. We know this AJ probably their general manager, the person I talked to yesterday said he loves to transact. You know, where he acquired Juan Soto and then he wanted flipping Juan Soto a year and a half later to the Yankees. Frank Cashman Yankees GM A.J. pro They've made that big deal before. Maybe they do it again.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, I, you know, everything is day to day now because baseball is played every single day.

[Michael Wilbon]

Last night, Machado hit two home runs, Tatis hit a home run.

[Tony Kornheiser]

If I sat there and I ran

[Michael Wilbon]

the Padres, I might say, well, I'm not trading of a closer. If my guys, if we can get what we expected all year and haven't

[Tony Kornheiser]

gotten to this point, we can win.

[Michael Wilbon]

Right? Is that, does that go into that mindset?

[Buster Olney]

Yeah, it's so interesting when you talk to GMs and not necessarily AJ Prowler when you have this conversation, but a lot of GMs will actually quote their playoff odds. You know, it'll be like, hey, yeah, we've won the last two games. Their chances are up to 29%. Maybe that moves us in the direction the Padres chances for making the playoffs because the National League is so much better than the American League as of this morning is 11.8%. Those numbers aren't good. So if, if the Tigers are playing game seven, then where the Padres are is game seven. Bottom of the ninth inning, down two. Run like they have to turn it around right now.

[Michael Wilbon]

Let us get to the two best players in baseball who are not necessarily playing at 100% now, one isn't playing at all. Aaron Judge I think he's eligible to come back in about five or six days, but that doesn't mean he can come back physically. And Shohei Otani, who it, you know, it's half a loaf at the moment. He can hit and you want him to hit, but he's not pitching at the moment. Well, how does that complicate races and how does it complicate maybe the MVP balloting in both leagues?

[Buster Olney]

So with Aaron Judge, the Yankees, you know, they expect he's going to play again this year, but they have no idea exactly when that's going to be. Maybe it's, you know, late August, early September, and they don't know how he's going to be when he comes back and how he's going to hold up. They know he's not going to be completely healed when he comes back. So they'll just, you know, try to upgrade the team and try to play well enough to get in the playoffs and then they'll see what they get with Judge when he returns. I think the same situation is with Giancarlo Stanton, their dh, and with Ohtani. The other day when we talked to Dave Roberts, the Dodgers manager, we had the Dodgers on TV on Monday night. He told us that Ohtani is likely to throw a bullpen session this weekend and then he might pitch two or three weeks after that. This is classic Dodgers. They're slow playing, their injuries. You know, they're doing it now with Blake Snell, Tyler Glass, now, now Shohei Ohtani, because the message is we want to make sure you're right in October, but you are 100% right. I think it completely opens up the NL MVP conversation because Ohtani preeminence is based on the fact that he's a two way player. Yeah, we don't know if he's going to be able to be that as he goes forward. And Pete Crow Armstrong of the Chicago Cubs is a great two way player. His two way being offense and defense. You know, he's got 21 homers, 25 steals. He's on a pace to get on base more than 250 times this year. And it, you know, he also is tied for the major league lead and outs, above average. A great defensive metric. Craig Counsel's told me he's the best defensive player in baseball. So if he continues to be on the current trajectory and continue to play defense, yeah, I think it's going to be a coin flip in the MVP race when we get to get to the end of the year.

[Michael Wilbon]

And he's from that Same high school, right. Harvard Westlake in L. A that has produced so many major league pitchers in the last five years. Right.

[Buster Olney]

He, he, right. And he is, he is the cautionary tale in baseball now about giving up prospects at the deadline. You remember the Cubs got him for two months of Javier Baez, right. In a deal with the Mets. And you know, that now scares all these teams. It's why when we get to this time of year, they're not willing to give up their very best prospects.

[Michael Wilbon]

All right, you mentioned doing the game the other night. A dear friend of ours, Carl Ravitch, is close to you. He's a friend of mine, but he's, I'm sure, a closer friend to you. And you'd like to talk a little bit about him, I think.

[Buster Olney]

Yeah, we, Tony, we worked 23 years together at ESPN. You know, I got to do tons of baseball tonights and, and Sunday night baseball in recent years. You know, people ask me all the time, you know, who do you root for? And I always say, I root for good stuff to happen to good people. And that's why it just hurts, you know, Carl, every game that I ever worked with him, every show 100% passion, always prepared, love the job. The other night, we're in Dave Roberts office and, you know, we're joking around and, you know, stories are being told. Dave said afterward, boy, that was a great, you know, rounder. It's his. And, you know, Carl just has brought it every single day. And I have loved working with him. So it's really, really just heartbreaking to get that news yesterday.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah, yeah. He can also drive it to 80. He's a good golfer. No, he's a good golfer.

[Caller or Guest]

Can he plant potatoes though?

[Michael Wilbon]

I don't know if he can plant potatoes. So.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, I, I feel the same way. I think he's really, really good. Thank you, Buster. This segment with Buster only has been

[Michael Wilbon]

brought to you by FanDuel. Play your game and we'll be back

[Tony Kornheiser]

with email and jingle.

[Singer or Musician]

Yeah.

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[Michael Wilbon]

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[Michael Wilbon]

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[Michael Wilbon]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

That's Pat Bass. I really, really.

[Caller or Guest]

That's a good one.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Wanna do the Bethesda bagel ad, please?

[Buster Olney]

Yes.

[Caller or Guest]

Bethesda bagels, we love them. You would as well just go to Bethesda Bagels.com for the location in the DC area near Shoe, then pop one in and you'd be thrilled. And got a quick word from Lee Gordon from Boynton Beach.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah.

[Caller or Guest]

Send us sing a reminder that the summer of littles is back in Saturday, August 1st. He is going to be co hosting this year at the Yard House at Misner park in Boca raton starting around 5pm Once you give a shout out to Bob Welsh for creating the summer little, Toby Clark for picking up the torch. But looking forward to see everyone there on August 1st.

[Michael Wilbon]

Well, if it's in Boca, my friend Jody goes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Jody and Nancy go. That would be good.

[Michael Wilbon]

All right, before we get to the

[Tony Kornheiser]

mailbag, let me just say, desperado, why don't you come to your senses? You've been out riding fences for so long now. Oh, you're a hard one. But I know that you've got your reasons. These things that are pleasing you can hurt you somehow. That's written and sung by Don Henry Stanley, whose birthday is today. He's 79 years old today and he's still great. Yes, he's great. Yes.

[Michael Wilbon]

Thanks to our guests today.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Jason Fraley, Steve Sands, Buster Olney, thanks as well to today's sponsors. Remember, you can listen to us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Odyssey.

[Michael Wilbon]

Get show through Apple Podcasts.

[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Michael Wilbon]

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[Caller or Guest]

history of the world.

[Michael Wilbon]

I'm not gonna go line by line on this, but it's very, very, very kind of you. And we put that in the special pie.

[Buster Olney]

Very special store.

[Producer Nigel]

I need to get a. I need to get some replacement enameled cast iron grill grates for a summit.

[Michael Wilbon]

So there you go. So talk to him.

[Producer Nigel]

Talk to Sean from Cowboy Cafe, a restaurant that I've not been to in 25 years.

[Michael Wilbon]

Well, go. Yeah, if it's across the street, go.

[Producer Nigel]

And down the street from the most expensive Dine Leinert.

[Michael Wilbon]

Oh, okay.

[Tony Kornheiser]

From Felipe Gattaca in Santiago, Chile, a few thoughts on The World cup final. Argentina and the dark arts. What Paredes did isn't surprising. It's culture. Growing up playing soccer in South America, you're raised on a guante, a culture that values honor and guts over pure football. You go in swinging, you threaten, you risk everything, even against the odds. Because backing down matters more than losing. Clean, bad losers by design. Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, the Atlantic Bloc genuinely don't know how to lose. Part of it is the culture above, but part of it is much simpler. They've won so much for so long in this part of the world that losing has become an anomaly and they won't accept it easily. On Wilbourne, warning stars like Bellingham and MLS won't happen soon. Glory still lives in Europe. That's still the biggest stage in the sport. The model MLS should actually watch as the Saudi league legends are thriving at the tail end of their careers, not their prime. For Taylor Twillman, I'd love his take on US Academies. American kids get to stay in school and still develop athletically, while soccer, almost everywhere else, forces an early either or between football and school, in his view, is that trade off part of what keeps American players from reaching the next level. Best World Cup I've watched in my 40 years of following the sport. Thank you for the space, Dr. Tony. Isn't that nice?

[Caller or Guest]

Yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And on the heels of that from Mark Siegel in Seattle. On the day before the FIFA World cup, crowned a global champion in the planet's favorite sport, nearly 3,000 miles away in Oakland, Major League cricket determined a winner in the world's second most popular game, cricket. The Seattle Orcas and the five other teams comprising Major League Cricket are all working to advance this global game in America's 50 states. Please let me know if you'd like to connect with Seattle Orcas CEO and former professional fast bowler Sean Cary.

[Michael Wilbon]

I. I don't.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't even know how cricket is played.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah, it might be.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I like the name the Orcas.

[Caller or Guest]

It's a great name.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And I'm giving you some run here,

[Caller or Guest]

Mark, but yeah, you shoot your shot. Yeah, that works.

[Michael Wilbon]

Good job.

[Caller or Guest]

Out of you.

[Singer or Musician]

Yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

From Matt in Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada. Wilbon. I watch soccer to get a pulse on what's happening in the world. Tony. I don't care about the ratings outside the United States because I don't live outside of the United States. This. This is why we listen. From Brian Sun. Dear Admiral Tony, on last Wednesday's pod, you mentioned you didn't know which three countries would host the next World Cup. You are Slightly mistaken because it will actually be held in three continents. What Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay will host each host once centenary match to honor the 100th anniversary of the first World cup before the event moves to Spain, Portugal and Morocco. It's speculated that FIFA used this format to clear the way for the 20002034 World cup to be held in Saudi Arabia. How many hydration breaks you think they're going to need there? From Brendan Borzelli in Lebanon, New Jersey. So Wilbon finds the World cup finale thrilling. The whole world thing riveting. He must have missed the three game stretch where the Nats gave away leads in the ninth inning at home, dropping all three to the Phillies. The first time in major league history a team has gagged up the game in the ninth inning in three straight games. 150 plus years of baseball, the Nats were first to do it. Let's see Argentina pull off that trick. From Dennis Bounds in Redmond, Washington. I looked it up. The pole vault record is held by Sweden's Armando Duplantis. 6.31 meters, 20ft eight and a quarter inches.

[Michael Wilbon]

20ft. I. I remember when 16 was undoable. Yeah, 20ft.

[Producer Nigel]

Remarkable.

[Singer or Musician]

Wow.

[Tony Kornheiser]

From Fred Unger in Tallahassee, Florida. Tony, you mentioned that no one broke 15ft in the pole voyage vault till the 50s. I'd like to nominate Dutch Warmerdam as the great one of the greatest pole vaulters ever. He set a world record of 15ft 7 and 3 quarters in 1942 and vaulted over 15ft 43 times. What makes this almost unbelievable is that he was using a bamboo pole. Fiberglass didn't come into use until the mid-50s. With today's fiberglass poles he could have easily gone over 20ft. Well, I don't know about that, but I know that that is true about fiberglass pole.

[Michael Wilbon]

And I'm pretty sure the first person to use it was John Uelsis, who

[Tony Kornheiser]

I thought was the first person to go over 16ft. From Ryan Mills in Greensboro, North Carolina. I think I may have found the source of your golf woes. You've been picking up found feathers on the golf course for good luck all these years. No, no, no. That brings bad luck. What you need to do is stick the feather in the ground as to plant a birdie. Now, I'm not sure if planted birdies experience the same agricultural biology as potatoes and can in fact fact die. So maybe you should bring along a watering can to the course to prevent this. If nothing else, you should hide some, go to breakfast sammies in there between this and your potatoes should be in for a bumper crop this fall. Carla Corrado and she also sends a picture we had never met Little Tim Raedersdorf when putting out the Dan Byrne is Performing in Town invitation to area Littles. He quickly responded and we secured a number of tickets together. Upon arrival, I called Claire Natola and David Merkowitz that I would wait for the second Tim fell in the lobby and go sit down at our table. When they got to the seats, a man introduced himself as Tim and of course they thought he was the Tim we were meeting. Who's on first? Situation rose this Tim was not a Little and looked confused when everyone greeted him with a hearty Lecheseria. For some reason was offended when offered the TK salute. Needless to say, the misunderstanding was corrected and apologies offered. When I walked in with the real Tim Raidersdorf and the stranger, Tim realized he'd been seated at the wrong table.

[Michael Wilbon]

Whoo.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Dan Byrne was delightful. Please see attached photo with Dan Burn. It's very, very nice. Thank you very much from Tony T in Brooklyn in dc. My dad was one of those guys. This is the Knickerbocker Theater. My dad was one of those guys. Every time we drove by, he would point out the block where the Knickerbocker Theater roof collapsed.

[Michael Wilbon]

We'd heard that story.

[Caller or Guest]

Yes, we have.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Lyle Graves, Nashville, Tennessee so the Knickerbockers collapse was DC's worst theater disaster.

[Michael Wilbon]

I'm sure Ford's Theater will be relieved. Yeah, well, it's not.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

I mean, I do think that shooting Abraham Lincoln.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

John Buchanan in Annapolis, Maryland for several years in the early 2000s, I worked at an ad agency in Alexandria, Virginia. One of the founders of said agency was Greg Munford. Greg is the voice you hear singing lead on the song Incense and Peppermints. As the story goes, nobody in the band felt the vocals were right for the song. So they asked Greg, a 17 year old friend of the band hanging out in the studio that day, to give it a shot and the rest is history. Greg was a pleasure to work for, humble and funny, and went over and above the call of duty. When came I needed a reference even many years after leaving the agency.

[Michael Wilbon]

That's a very nice story.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Dave, who wants to be the robotic surgeon of the podcast. Longtime listener, first time emailer. I bring you greetings from Whitford Park Golf Club in Auckland, New Zealand, where Ryan Fox learned his craft. It's not often New Zealand gets a mention on your show. Justifiably While Ryan may not be a household name in the us, he has for a long time carried the flag for New Zealand men's golf around the world with a few wins including the Canadian Open last year beating Sam Burns in a playoff. Not only is he a really nice guy, he comes from somewhat sporting royalty here in New Zealand as we know now. Yes, his grandfather captain New Zealand at cricket, his mother was an accomplished tennis player and his father is one of New Zealand's most famous rugby players and World cup winner. It's a shame Lydia Coe is not going to the LA Olympics. How about that pair in alternate shot pairs? Anyway, thanks for all the joy you bring. I'd love to host you for a round in New Zealand. If you ever come, come here. Although I suspect you're more likely to

[Michael Wilbon]

play golf on the moon than travel this far.

[Tony Kornheiser]

From Dave in Milwaukee, Wisconsin like yourself, I'm a channel flipper. I cannot stand when events are on streaming apps. What provides some solace is direct TV stream. While it no longer requires a dish and it is an app, it works like cable where the channels have actual numbers. My brewers are on 670. I can flip to the local channels as well as having Peacock and Netflix at my fingertip. I pay $120 a month and it will have Red Zone this this fall on channel 213. It also has an old school guide with the names of programs, not pictures. Please tell Wilbon to eat it. There's not one sport over the last 25 years where the Milwaukee, Wisconsin team hasn't been more successful. Wilbon hates Philly, I hate Chicago and their whiny fans. From Ron Gujet Ski Hopkins Farm creamery from Route 9 has opened a shop in Lewis on Savannah Road. Many flavors including coffee and the ice cream is yummy.

[Michael Wilbon]

Well, that's good to know.

[Tony Kornheiser]

We have to go find that John Donnelly in Enfield, N.H. which ranks higher on the humiliation hierarchy. Sitting on the bacon or flushing the mouse? Flushing the mouse and ted Keniston Cincinnati, Ohio I bought a hot dog at the turn at Kiawah's Ocean Course. I teed off on 10 and returned to my car just in time to see a crow fly off with my hot dog. I'll never know if it was still

[Michael Wilbon]

hot or just warm enough. This still haunts me.

[Tony Kornheiser]

If you're out on your bike tonight, everyone is always do wear white.

[Steve Sands]

But we don't have the Shaputzvah to do it.

[Poet or Reader]

There's a lot out by the highway. Where a lonesome scoreboard stands. Like the Eyes of Ozymandaddyus. Overlooks the shifting sands. Where there used to be a ballpark Sounds like an old Sinatra song. An unsentimental number. Not some Mitch Miller Sing along. The ballpark's only brick and timber. The ballpark's only rust and mold Never was as big as you remember. Though the myth be manifold. Old boys like me we get nostalgic. For old times we never knew. When there were giants in the outfield Felipe, Maddie, JL. And I remember sam sosa and I remember homer peele. And I remember richie allen. And I wonder how he'd feel. He'd remember that old ballpark A place where he was cursed and booed. For the crime of being a pity. For his immodest attitude. These days we all love Richie L. He'd rather that we call him Dick. Finally made it to the hall of Fame. That SOB Was a big stick. We ain't the people of the sixties. We are so much, much more evolved. We ain't got strife and racial hatred Buddy, we got those problems solved. The ballpark's only brick and timber

[Buster Olney]

the

[Poet or Reader]

ballpark's only rust and mold Never was as big as you remember. Though the myth be manifold.

[Singer or Musician]

There's a gray rain in the Rue

[Poet or Reader]

de Rivoli There's a French girl with

[Singer or Musician]

her head upon my chest I don't suppose that you'd spare any sympathy

[Poet or Reader]

for

[Singer or Musician]

this rich boy's existential unrest. We see the sun sets in Los Angeles that's where the future crawls ashore I wasted my youth in Los Angeles and I hardly ever go there. Left handedness can be a liability

[Buster Olney]

I

[Singer or Musician]

can't play short or third or second base Baseball's been very, very good to

[Jason Fraley]

me

[Singer or Musician]

I spent my childhood Ralph. Her embrace. And it's a long flight from Rossi to Los Angeles My petite Amir eternally I let go and they give you scotch and soda when you're in first

[Poet or Reader]

class

[Singer or Musician]

to help you through the dark night of a soul. And I am going back to Los Angeles I have to check my privilege at the door But I hear See that Shirley dresses in Los Angeles

[Poet or Reader]

that's

[Singer or Musician]

where the future crawls ashore. Left handedness can be a liability

[Buster Olney]

can't

[Singer or Musician]

place you're a third or second base Big baseball's been very, very good Me, I spent my child wrapped in her embrace I spent my childhood wrapped in her embrace Spent my chatter wrapped in her embrace.