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Tony Kornheiser
Hey, it's Tony Bracket Week continues for us today as we check in with Phil's mom, Chuck Todd and Steve Sands. Plus I'll share a few more stories about John Jr. Feinstein. But first, as always, kids, commerce.
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Steve Sands
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Tony Kornheiser
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Tony Kornheiser
And streaming versus the other big guys@t mobile.comSwitch Apple Intelligence requires iOS 18.1 or later previously on the Tony Kornhauser Show. This is the kind of guy he is. Whether it's and it's always a dinner because Junior loved to eat and love to order the most expensive thing on the menu, particularly when someone else was paying for it. I have stories about that I'm not even going to go into now. I'll go into them tomorrow maybe. But I said if it was a dinner for two or four or six or eight or 10 people at the end of the dinner, nobody said this. What was that guy's name again? No, no, no, no no no. You knew his name.
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Chuck Todd
This is General.
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Tony Kornheiser
George Washington, and you're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. Yeah, his name was John Jr. Feinstein. I've gotten a lot of mail, texts and emails and stuff like that from people who say that they are, you know, they're sending me condolences. You don't send me condolences. It's. It's okay. And they want to know about Junior, and they want to know everything. I mean, I've told a thousand stories before about Junior and. And what is true. And I'm in the present tense here. I'm not in the past tense yet. I can't bring myself to the past tense yet. I love Junior. He also drives me crazy. And the same with Wilbon. The same, George. It's the same with everybody. It's Gary. It's. It's all the same that Junior drove you crazy and you had to take a break from Junior. And sometimes the break lasted a week and sometimes lasted a month. Sometimes, in my case, lasted a couple of years because you had to take a break because he wore you out. I mean, he was always right, you were always wrong. If you disagreed, you were always wrong and he was always right. And you can love somebody, but every once in a while you got. You have to sort of move away from that. When that happens, I will tell you the story of how I found out about what happened last Thursday. I was driving to Delaware, and some people think I wasn't on the show that day, the PTI show, because I was overcome with sadness. No, no. I wasn't on the show because I arranged for a day off. I arranged for last week. I was going to take Thursday off. I was going to drive out to Delaware. I was going to play golf with Gary Williams. That was in my plans. I would have done the show had I been here and this happened. I'd have sat there with Mike and we'd have both done a melancholy happy trails to our dear friend John Feinstein, who both of us walked away from here, there and everywhere. I mean, you know, these stories and the stories are true. It didn't mean we didn't love them. I mean, look, let's. Let's be honest here. In my case, he came to my house every Sunday night for five years in the 80s before he did the Nightbook. He brought Chinese food from Yenching palace, which is now, I think, a Walgreens on Connecticut Avenue near Quebec Street. Every week. Every week brought it over. I couldn't have been closer with anybody than I was with Junior. Couldn't have been. And then he went off to write the Night Book and a small story about the Night Book. He sent me or gave me the first five chapters he had started to write. You know, he didn't. He wasn't waiting for the season to be over. He knew what he was going to write. So he started to write. He sent me the first five chapters and asked me to read them. And I said, did you send them either anybody else? And he said, I sent them to Woodward, and I sent him to Marinus. I thought, okay, that's really good company. Excuse me. So I'll read them. And I read them. And I said to him, what are you doing with these first five chapters? The fifth chapter is the best chapter. You ought to begin with the fifth chapter. It's really good. Begin with the fifth chapter. And he goes. I said, well, are you reluctant? And he goes, no. Woodward and Marinus said the same thing. So he did. So he began with the fifth chapter, and the rest is history, as we know about that book. But he came over. He came over all the time, you know, and I loved him. But there was an excess to his life that is important to talk about. And he just always believed he was right in everything he did. Which is why when we did the radio show, when the radio started in 1992, and we had Junior on, Junior's the best guest in the world. The best guest in the world. And people say, why did you stop having him? Because I just couldn't take it any longer, being told how stupid I was all the time. We called him the czar of sports because he had solutions for everything. And he was just resolute in it. So I'm driving out. I'm driving out to Delaware on Thursday, and there's a message from Gary. And I play the message in the car and it says, you know, we've gotta talk. I know what it is. I know that I'm driving out there and it's really windy and it's really cold in Rehoboth. And he's gonna say he doesn't wanna play. I don't wanna play either. It's like 40 mile an hour sustained winds and 41 degrees. Nobody wants to play in this. So I call him, I get him on the phone, I say. He says, yeah, we have to talk. I have bad news. And I said, I get it. We're not gonna play. It's all right. I don't worry about it. No, John Feinston has died. Well, I'm driving in the car. It's Thursday morning around 11:00. What? What? And he tells me what he knows, that Junior's brother Bobby found him and called Gary. And so I said, I gotta start calling people. And I called Sally and I called Wilbon and I called George Solomon and I called Matt Rennie at the Post and I called Bob Woodward and a couple of others and I said, I didn't. Nobody answered. Nobody answered. And I said when I left a message, and I did leave a message, I said, I hope to God I am not the first person to tell you this, but if I am, then you're at least hearing it from a friend. Junior's gone, you know, and I just like, I didn't know what to do about it. There's nothing I could do about it, obviously. And. And so there's a flood of memories that come to anybody. I've written down like a thousand things here and it doesn't really matter and I won't get to all of them and I've used a couple of them already. But I will tell you the stuff about food. Junior, George Solomon wrote a great piece in which he talked about Junior going to Duke Siebert's and ordering the dinner steak in the middle of the afternoon and charging it to George. And he did that. Did that repeatedly.
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Gary Williams
It's that he went back the week.
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Tony Kornheiser
Later, did that repeatedly. And Duke said, george, I got kids in here again ordering the dinner steak. But we went to a soft opening of something. This is 15, 20 years ago. A soft opening for a restaurant is they invite a bunch of people who they know and who are probably going to be regulars anywhere anyway, and they give them a free meal. What they are trying to do is figure out their kitchen. They're trying. What do we do? Well, how long does it take if we're slammed, what can we do? And so they invite you. You are. This is the experimental part of the restaurant. This is the first. This is the cruise, the shakedown cruise. This is good for the restaurant and you get a free meal. Well, when they do this, they assign certain things by table. So in their minds, let's say they have 10 tables of four to six to eight, whatever it is. Table one is going to get pasta, table three is going to get meat, table five is going to get fish. Junior's at a table, it's not getting meat. And he says, I want the steak. And they say, well, this table, we're trying to figure out the fish. And so we want to put the fish on this table. He goes, I Don't want the fish. You can hear. I don't want the fish. I want the steak. Well, again, we're just trying. I don't want to hear about the fish. Give me the steak. He got the steak. They gave him the steak. Of course they gave him the steak. That's how it was. And he was happy, and he was thankful and he was grateful, you know, and it was another. W. J won. He won. He won on that. And this. This seemed to happen a lot, and it didn't mean that I didn't love him. We worked. We not only worked together with the Washington Post When ESPN2 was founded, and it started whenever it started, in the 90s. And they had Oberman on it, and they had Susie Kalber on it and Mitch Albom was on it.
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Mike Wilbon
Oh, yeah, that's right.
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Tony Kornheiser
And I think that's how it started.
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Gary Williams
1993.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, I never really watched it, but. But Junior and I, like, in 1994 and 1995, that's what it started with Sports Night. In 1994 and 1995. We did pieces for them. They called us the Wise Guys. We went to indoor and outdoor locations in Washington, D.C. filmed about four or five at a time. Probably get paid 100 bucks each. Like, nothing. Zero. But we were doing it together. And of course, it drove me completely crazy because I would say something and he would say, you're so wrong. Here's what's right, and you're so wrong. But again, I love him. I love him, and I'm really grateful. I called him a week and a half ago. I hadn't talked to him in a while, and you can all speculate what a while is, but it was a while. I had heard that he was having balance issues. I heard he had fallen down, you know, and had balance issues. He was teaching school at. At Longwood University in Farmville, Virginia. And so he was away. I didn't see him or anything like that, but I heard and I called him because I was concerned. Well, what if he has Parkinson's? Because I've seen that with friends. What if he has ms? And I said. And I called him. Do you have it? No. No, I don't. Well, what is it? He says, well, it's my doctor think it's. It's a. It's a corollary from diabetes medicines that I'm taking. And so we're going to change the diabetes medications, and hopefully that will make it better. And I said, okay, that's good. And he says, and I'm Swimming. Because I said to him, I think what you ought to do, you're at a college, they're going to have a gym there. Why don't you get a trainer a couple of days a week to just work on balance and flexibility? I do this. Just balance and flexibility. I think it could help you. They give you a series of exercises. And he goes, I'm swimming now. Junior was a great swimmer. He's a college swimmer. Yeah, he's a great swimmer. Butterfly. He's a great swimmer at Duke. And I said, are you living on the moon? Did you hear what I said? You're swimming. Are you standing on the water? No. You're swimming through the water? No. I want you to do this other thing. I want you to make sure that your balance is taken care of. And we talked for a little while longer. And then he said something at the end that he had never said before. Thanks for the call. I mean, never. I had 500 million calls never said thanks for the call. I mean, he would get off by saying, you see, I told you I was right. But he never said so, thanks for the call. So, I mean, it would be poetic if I said to you that this was somehow a foreshadowing of what's going to happen. But wasn't. It wasn't in any way. But I am so grateful that I called him and we spoke. I mean, it's so meaningful to me that that happened. And I'm. I told you the Pat Riley stories, you know, and all of these things. I just think he's one of those, for me, one of those unforgettable characters. But like with a lot of people who are his friends, there came out. You just had to take a separation for a little while and then get back together. Um, obviously it's too late for that, but again, I'm so grateful that we spoke when we did. And we'll do the show now and we'll just have people picking games. And we're gonna start with Phil's mom. And I'm Tony Kornheiser.
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Tony Kornheiser
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Phil's Mom
You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser Show.
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Tony Kornheiser
This is Money for guns. This is St. Louis band, right?
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Mike Wilbon
I believe so, yes.
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Tony Kornheiser
We like them.
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Mike Wilbon
Yes, very much so.
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Tony Kornheiser
We have news about them. We're not going to divulge the news now as people move out from just being rock and rollers to other things in their lives. Will Salisbury, one of the guys who's involved in this, did this. And we will talk about this in a while, but we'll just start with this song. This is a song called all the Catholic Girls Love Paul Simon, which is a great title for a song. It's a great title for a song. And it's Money for Guns. And it plays in Phil's Mom. This is one of the highlights of our lives that Phil's mom, you know, even Though her son is a complete ne'er do well gambler. Now, you know that Phil's mom comes on the show all the time. And before we start, I should probably ask you, how was the winter in Buffalo? How high did the snow get? And did you ever have to jump out your second floor window?
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Phil's Mom
We didn't get a lot of snow this year. A lot of ice this year, but not a lot of snow. So no jumping out of windows.
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Tony Kornheiser
So when you say not a lot of snow for people like in Florida that don't get any snow, not a lot of snow to me, in Buffalo is probably something like 60 or 70 inches.
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Phil's Mom
Yeah. No, probably between 12 and 24, something like that.
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Tony Kornheiser
Fantastic. Oh, yeah. That means that the people who, you know, did the Department of Public Works, they sat on their hands and played poker all day because they didn't have to go out every single day and shovel snow from Lake Erie. That's good. Are you ready for us? We're going to start in the right hand top. This is the eastern bracket. Duke would be on the top line. So you just go through and you give me whoever is going to win in that bracket in the first round.
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Phil's Mom
Okay, so I have Duke first.
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Tony Kornheiser
Right.
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Phil's Mom
Then Baylor.
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Tony Kornheiser
Baylor. We'd love that you say that. Go ahead.
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Phil's Mom
Liberty.
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Tony Kornheiser
Liberty. Do you have any idea where Liberty is?
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Phil's Mom
No. Is it new this year?
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Tony Kornheiser
It's been around for a while. It started as Jerry Falwell's University, I believe. I think it's in south Southern Virginia. I could be wrong. Liberty, I think, at Lynchburg, Virginia. So, yeah. Okay, Liberty, go ahead. You got Liberty knocking off Oregon. Go ahead.
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Phil's Mom
Arizona.
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Tony Kornheiser
Arizona. Okay, vcu. Vcu. Do you know what VCU stands for?
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Phil's Mom
Is that something with Virginia?
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Tony Kornheiser
Yes. Virginia Commonwealth University. Yes, indeed. Okay, go ahead.
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Phil's Mom
Montana.
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Tony Kornheiser
Montana. Over Wisconsin. That's. That's interesting. And I know where you're going with St. Mary's in Vanderbilt. Go ahead.
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Phil's Mom
St. Mary's of course, for the Catholic.
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Tony Kornheiser
Of course. Of course. All right, go ahead. And at the bottom, Alabama. Alabama. Not Robert Morris. Do you know where Robert Morris is?
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Phil's Mom
No. That one I don't know. Is it another Catholic school or Christian school? I don't know.
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Tony Kornheiser
I don't know that. But it's in Pittsburgh. That much I know. Okay, so Duke against Baylor. Who you got?
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Phil's Mom
Baylor.
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Tony Kornheiser
Wow. Duke goes out pretty quick. Okay, Liberty. Arizona.
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Phil's Mom
Arizona.
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Tony Kornheiser
Arizona. Say goodbye to Liberty. We don't need Liberty these days anyway. VCU, Montana.
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Phil's Mom
VCU.
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Tony Kornheiser
VCU. Virginia Commonwealth University and St. Mary's Alabama.
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Phil's Mom
I stuck with St. Mary.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's a huge upset. You're the only one in America who has done that. So if you get that right, you're going to win the whole thing. Okay. Baylor, Arizona.
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Phil's Mom
Baylor.
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Tony Kornheiser
Why do you like them so much? You know they won a couple of years ago. Yeah, they won. They won the whole tournament. Okay. And VCU, St. Mary's I stuck with St. Mary's okay. And then to get to the Final Four. Baylor or Saint Mary's Saint Mary's Saint Mary's There we go. Okay, let's move to the Houston one. That should be directly under that. Give me everything you got in the first round in the Houston region.
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Phil's Mom
Houston first.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay.
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Phil's Mom
And then Gonzaga.
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Tony Kornheiser
Of course you did. Gonzaga. Okay, go ahead.
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Phil's Mom
Clemson.
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Tony Kornheiser
Clemson. Not McNeese. Do you know where McNeese is?
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Phil's Mom
No. That one I never heard of.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, a lot of people haven't heard of it. I think it's in Mississippi, but I could be wrong. It's somewhere in the south. But you got Clemson, so it doesn't matter. Next.
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Phil's Mom
Purdue.
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Tony Kornheiser
Purdue. Not High Point. Okay, next.
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Phil's Mom
Texas.
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Tony Kornheiser
You have to. So you think you have to stay with me on this. If Texas loses to Xavier, Xavier plays Illinois. But you're going to take the. You're going to take the Texas Xavier winner anyway, right?
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Phil's Mom
Yes.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay, so text Texas. Xavier. Okay, go ahead.
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Phil's Mom
Kentucky.
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Tony Kornheiser
Kentucky. Not Troy. Troy, I believe, is in Alabama. I believe it's in Alabama. By the way.
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Mike Wilbon
McNee State. Lake Charles, Louisiana.
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Tony Kornheiser
Lake Charles. Louisiana. Little Becky girl I once knew, she told me just to drop on by if there's anything that she could do. Yeah, Bessie girl. Not Becky. Ucla. Utah State.
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Phil's Mom
Utah State.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay, well, UCLA is not that good this year. They're not really. And Tennessee. Wofford.
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Phil's Mom
Now this one's an upset. Wofford.
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Tony Kornheiser
That is a real upset. Wofford. Wofford. One of the best games I saw all tournaments was Wofford against Furman. It was a really good game. Wofford is Georgia.
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Mike Wilbon
Spartanburg, South Carolina.
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Tony Kornheiser
South Carolina. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Houston. Gonzaga.
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Phil's Mom
Gonzaga.
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Tony Kornheiser
And boom goes Houston. See you around. Clemson. Purdue.
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Phil's Mom
Clemson.
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Tony Kornheiser
Clemson. And the winner of Texas or Xavier against Kentucky.
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Phil's Mom
I have Kentucky.
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Tony Kornheiser
Kentucky at that point. And Utah State. Wofford.
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Phil's Mom
Now, I went with Utah State.
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Tony Kornheiser
Well, you got religion on that one. And so let's get rid of Wofford because we don't think they're actually going to go. All right, Gonzaga. Clemson.
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Phil's Mom
Gonzaga.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay. We're gonna look for an all Catholic school final Four if it's possible. And Kentucky. Utah State.
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Phil's Mom
Kentucky.
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Tony Kornheiser
And Gonzaga. Kentucky.
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Phil's Mom
I stuck with Gonzaga.
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Tony Kornheiser
Of Course. And I know. I know you're gonna stick with St. John's on the other side of the bracket. I just don't know what's going on the top of the bracket.
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Phil's Mom
Of course.
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Tony Kornheiser
So we'll see. Okay, now we're gonna go to the Auburn side. That is the south region. Give me everything you've got in the first round.
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Phil's Mom
Auburn.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay.
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Phil's Mom
And then Louisville.
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Tony Kornheiser
Louisville. Not Creighton.
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Phil's Mom
Yeah, I went with Louisville.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay. Louisville. Okay.
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Phil's Mom
Next Michigan.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay. After that, Yale. Yeah. An aspirational pick. We all wanted to go to Yale at one point or another. Yale over Texas. A and M. Go ahead.
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Phil's Mom
Down line, San Diego.
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Tony Kornheiser
So either if it's unc, it's still. You're still picking it, right?
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Phil's Mom
Yes.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay, go ahead.
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Phil's Mom
Lipscomb. That's a new one.
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Tony Kornheiser
I don't know where that is.
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Mike Wilbon
Lipscomb.
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Tony Kornheiser
Let me go find that.
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Phil's Mom
I actually looked it up. It's in Nashville, Tennessee.
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Tony Kornheiser
Oh, okay. So you're going to pick Lipscomb.
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Phil's Mom
Yeah. Okay.
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Tony Kornheiser
Over Iowa State. And I bet you're going to go with Marquette.
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Phil's Mom
Yes, I did.
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Tony Kornheiser
I knew you would do that. And what else?
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Phil's Mom
Bryant.
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Tony Kornheiser
Bryant. To beat Michigan State. That would be. That would be one of the biggest upsets of all time. Bryant is a school. Brian is my conference. The America east with Binghamton. And Bryant is a school in Rhode Island. It's a school in Rhode Island. So now Auburn, Louisville.
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Phil's Mom
Louisville.
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Tony Kornheiser
See around Auburn as another number one goes out quickly. Michigan. Yale.
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Phil's Mom
I went with Yale.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yale. Okay. San Diego State. UNC or Lipscomb?
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Phil's Mom
Lipscomb.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. You're the one. You're the one. And Marquette. Bryant.
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Phil's Mom
Marquette.
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Tony Kornheiser
I knew it. I knew she would get an entire Final Four out of this. Louisville, Yale.
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Phil's Mom
Louisville.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay. It should be called Louisville, not Louisville. Should be. Louisville's better. And Lipscomb. Marquette.
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Phil's Mom
Lipscomb.
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Tony Kornheiser
Oh, you surprised me on that. That's a big surprise. I bet the Marquette people are surprised, too. How about Louisville, Lipscomb?
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Phil's Mom
Lewisville? Lipscomb. Louisville.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay, let's say. What are they? They're an eight. They're one of three or four teams from the acc. They're an eight. They're not. That's not a bad pick. Okay, the next round. Go ahead.
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Phil's Mom
You mean Florida?
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. Yeah. The Florida one.
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Phil's Mom
Yeah, Florida. And then Oklahoma.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay.
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Phil's Mom
Colorado State.
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Tony Kornheiser
A lot of people are doing that. You're in line. Okay, go ahead.
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Phil's Mom
Grand Canyon.
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Tony Kornheiser
Grand Canyon over Maryland. That's a pick that not many would make. Do you know where Grand Canyon is?
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Phil's Mom
No. Maybe Colorado or something.
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Tony Kornheiser
I thought it was in Utah. I could be wrong, but it's in and around that area. It's in the Mountain west area.
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Mike Wilbon
Phoenix, actually.
- [25:21]
Tony Kornheiser
Really?
- [25:22]
Mike Wilbon
Phoenix, Arizona.
- [25:22]
Tony Kornheiser
I'm totally wrong. Yeah. Wilbon must know it then.
- [25:25]
Mike Wilbon
Yeah, it probably goes there. You know, supplemental classes.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, I would think so. Okay, go ahead. Missouri. Drake.
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Phil's Mom
Missouri.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay.
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Phil's Mom
Then Texas Tech.
- [25:35]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay.
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Phil's Mom
Arkansas.
- [25:38]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. And I'm gonna bet the ranch you've got St. John's over Omaha.
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Phil's Mom
Yes.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay. Florida. Oklahoma.
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Phil's Mom
Florida.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay. Colorado State. Grand Canyon.
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Phil's Mom
Colorado State.
- [25:52]
Tony Kornheiser
See around Grand Canyon. Missouri. Texas Tech.
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Phil's Mom
Missouri.
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Tony Kornheiser
And Arkansas. St. John's St. John's okay. Florida. Colorado State.
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Phil's Mom
Florida.
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Tony Kornheiser
I think Florida's a really good team. Okay. And Mizzou and St. John's St. John's and who's going to win, Florida or St. John's Louisville. No, no, no, no. At the bottom, Florida. St. John's St. John'S okay. That's your final sport. So three out of four in the final four. Okay. Louisville. St. John's Louisville. I'm surprised at that. And St. Mary's Gonzaga.
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Phil's Mom
I went with Gonzaga.
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Tony Kornheiser
So they know each other very well. They play each other twice a year in conference and then they play each other in the tournament. And this year, I believe Gonzaga beat St. Mary's in the tournament, though St. Mary's was the 1 seed. So now in your final game, Phil's mom has Louisville and Gonzaga. Who you got to win?
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Phil's Mom
Louisville.
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Tony Kornheiser
Right. Once coached by Rick Pitino. That's right. Now coaching St. John's all right, so if you win, as always, you get more prizes than everyone else because we don't actually think you're going to win, but you get the most prizes. So say hello to your son for us and thank you, as always. Thank you.
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Phil's Mom
Oh, you're welcome. I appreciate it.
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Tony Kornheiser
Phil's mom. Ladies and gentlemen, we will take a break. Chuck Todd when we return. Yes, Chuck Todd. Chuck Todd. To make his picks when we return, I'm Tony Kornheiser.
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Phil's Mom
You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser Show.
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Chuck Todd
You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show.
- [28:49]
Tony Kornheiser
Once again, this is our favorite group from St. Louis, Money for Guns. This is called Only Ghost of Lovers, and Will Salisbury writes fine. Folks at the United States Postal Service have delivered three books to Nigel's palatial estate, PGA Tour pro Jay Delsing. And I wrote his autobiography in a Nonlinear Way, based around amazing stories from his time on the tour and at ucla. I've tagged your copy of the book to my biography. Please give it a read and you'll know when to stop. You know, I read some of it and I liked it. I'm intrigued by it because Jay Delsing is the uncle of Taylor Twelman, who has been on this show before, and he became a pro soccer player and his uncle was a pro golfer. So the book, you can find the book on jdelsinggolf.com and Will Salisbury writes, find the fairways, which I never actually do. The song plays in which song is this? Only Ghosts of Lovers. The song plays in Chuck Todd, who was in the rather unenviable position of following Chuck Mom. Chuck, Phil's mom. Phil's mom. Do you want to describe how that feels?
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Steve Sands
Yeah. No. It's like finding out you're on Carson, you're really excited, and you're like, yeah, we're gonna have you on after George Carlin.
- [30:01]
Tony Kornheiser
Carlin kills. And then you come out and people.
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Steve Sands
Go, I won't even get invited to the couch. It's a conversation between the desk and the couch. Hey, that's great. Thanks very much. Thanks for coming, everybody.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. What'd you say your name was again?
- [30:14]
Mike Wilbon
They call you Chris? Yeah, that was Chris Todd, everybody.
- [30:17]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. Okay, let's start in the east with Duke. Any. Any upsets at all in the first round?
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Steve Sands
Well, according to Bob Ryan, we're now up to. You have to be a 13 seed.
- [30:27]
Tony Kornheiser
To be an upset. Crazy. That's so crazy.
- [30:32]
Steve Sands
I love that he escalated. He's like, forget the 9, 8 what.
- [30:35]
Tony Kornheiser
Are you talking about?
- [30:36]
Steve Sands
5, 11, 6, 10, 7. They're not upsets.
- [30:39]
Tony Kornheiser
What do you got?
- [30:40]
Steve Sands
Him and Wilbot. I got Baylor. That's a nine, eight. Right. I got Liberty.
- [30:45]
Tony Kornheiser
You do have Liberty as well? Liberty, Yeah, I was gonna say that. You know, it's pronounced.
- [30:49]
Steve Sands
It's Liberty. Yeah. And yeah, this one I blew up a lot.
- [30:53]
Tony Kornheiser
VCU, okay.
- [30:56]
Steve Sands
And Vandy. But it's a 10.
- [30:59]
Tony Kornheiser
7.
- [30:59]
Steve Sands
So you decide whether it's enough.
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Tony Kornheiser
I believe that it is, you know, an upset. I believe eight, nine is an upset. That's just me. All right. Duke, Baylor.
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Steve Sands
Duke.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay.
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Steve Sands
No commentary on that one.
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Tony Kornheiser
Right. Liberty, Arizona.
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Steve Sands
So Arizona. And the only thing I'll say here is every year there's a whole bunch of teams that get rated highly in the preseason. They stink early. Then they come back and Arizona is one of those teams. They were ranked like top five all year. Then they hit a swoon and there's always one of those teams. I don't know if it's gonna be them or a Kansas or North Carolina, but. But I imagine one of Those early top 10 teams end up good here at the end. Okay. Zona's one of those that I'm pondering.
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Tony Kornheiser
Vcu, Wisconsin, Wisconsin and Vanderbilt. Alabama. That's an in house. That's the same league. Yeah.
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Steve Sands
How many of these are we going to have?
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Tony Kornheiser
3 or 4?
- [32:04]
Steve Sands
Yeah, I think they're. I think if you're Alabama. You hate this, don't you?
- [32:08]
Tony Kornheiser
I think so.
- [32:09]
Steve Sands
Just hate this. Which is why I'm taking Vanderbilt.
- [32:13]
Tony Kornheiser
You're gonna take Vandy over. You're gonna kick out of too early.
- [32:15]
Steve Sands
I'm gonna kick out of too early.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay. Duke, Arizona, Duke. And at the bottom, Wisconsin, Vanderbilt, Wisconsin and into the final Four and then Duke.
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Steve Sands
I am. I am following conventional wisdom. Upsets early. Chocolate.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. I watched Wisconsin on TV the other day against Michigan. They gave up a big lead. I didn't think they were very good, but who knows? I don't. I don't think the Big Ten is very good. I don't.
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Steve Sands
I'm afraid of Michigan State, aren't you?
- [32:46]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. Because it's Izzo and he knows what he's doing. Yeah.
- [32:49]
Steve Sands
And they do seem, they do seem like an Izzo team. They're kind of gritty. They work hard. You know, you can see that there definitely is personality.
- [32:58]
Tony Kornheiser
I don't think. I don't think what happens in the conference tournament matters to most good teams anymore. They just play till they don't play anymore. And they don't care because they know where they're going. All right. In the Houston region. What do you got?
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Phil's Mom
Houston.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
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Steve Sands
Oh, right. Wait, hang on. I forgot. Upsets. I have the 11, so. Anything. Texas Xavier over Illinois.
- [33:22]
Tony Kornheiser
That's fair.
- [33:25]
Steve Sands
I met Brad Underwood this year, and I feel bad.
- [33:27]
Tony Kornheiser
You think?
- [33:28]
Steve Sands
I really like him.
- [33:29]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, he's a good.
- [33:30]
Steve Sands
Met him. I did a speech in Champagne a couple months ago. He's kind of a news junkie.
- [33:36]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay.
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Steve Sands
Yeah, no, he's. He's his. That's a hard job now, head coach. I mean, just to hear it face to face, how hard the job is now and how much you work. You worry more about money than recruiting.
- [33:52]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. Did you see what they did against Duke? They lost by 100.
- [33:56]
Steve Sands
I know. Just by their. They've. They have finished a mess.
- [34:01]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
- [34:01]
Chuck Todd
I want to.
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Steve Sands
I'm rooting for him, but I don't. I don't feel good about it.
- [34:04]
Tony Kornheiser
Well, you kicked them out in the first round, so. Obviously I did.
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Steve Sands
I know. Obviously. We're not close friends.
- [34:08]
Tony Kornheiser
Right.
- [34:09]
Steve Sands
And I got you. And I got Utah State.
- [34:11]
Tony Kornheiser
Utah State and. Okay, here we go. Houston. Gonzaga.
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Steve Sands
Houston, though. Are you nervous that isn't this. When Gonzaga, when they're a low seed. They're pretty good.
- [34:24]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. They never actually win, but they've gotten to the Final Four a couple of times, and they did beat St. Mary's in the conference final, and that should be a sign that they're pretty good. They're pretty good. Okay.
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Steve Sands
I know if I were Houston, I'd not like that 8.
- [34:39]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. But. But you know what? Houston is tough. Houston's a good, solid team. No stars, five guys. Whoever's in there, all of them are pretty good. So they're. They're a pretty good team. Clemson.
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Phil's Mom
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Clemson. Purdue.
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Steve Sands
Clemson.
- [34:53]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay. Acc. Moving on.
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Phil's Mom
Yeah.
- [34:55]
Tony Kornheiser
Trying Texas or Xavier against Kentucky.
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Steve Sands
Give me Kentucky.
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Tony Kornheiser
And at the bottom, Utah State. Tennessee.
- [35:02]
Steve Sands
Give me Tennessee.
- [35:04]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay. Okay. Houston. Clemson.
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Steve Sands
Houston.
- [35:11]
Tony Kornheiser
And at the bottom, Kentucky. Tennessee.
- [35:13]
Steve Sands
Another one of these SEC games.
- [35:15]
Tony Kornheiser
Tennessee and Houston. Tennessee.
- [35:18]
Steve Sands
Houston.
- [35:20]
Tony Kornheiser
That's a game. Those sorts of the games. Those are the games that I think Houston can lose. I think Tennessee is pretty good, but not as good as Florida. I think Florida is really good. All right, Top left, top left. The South Region. The Auburn Region. Who you got? It upsets yale. Okay.
- [35:39]
Steve Sands
The UNC11.
- [35:41]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, I agree with that. I think there's motivation for Carolina. I mean, they're just been treated ridiculously.
- [35:49]
Steve Sands
We've seen this before, right? Oh, you don't belong. Three rounds later, Syracuse. I like my Sweet sixteen. Yeah.
- [35:55]
Tony Kornheiser
Syracuse. Has done that. He's okay. What else?
- [35:58]
Steve Sands
By the way, they were ranked. Carolina was the top five team.
- [36:01]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. @ the beginning of the year, as was Kansas. Kansas was one.
- [36:03]
Steve Sands
And I don't want to sound like a Carolina apologist, but does margin of loss matter?
- [36:09]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, so I went on the PTI show yesterday after Wilbond killed Carolina. And I said, just let me tell you this. First of all, Carolina could beat 30 teams in this tournament. Second of all, Duke is the number two overall seed. And in the last week. In the last week, they went head to head with him twice and certainly could have beaten him once. So I don't want to hear this. You know, so. But Wilbon.
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Steve Sands
They lost. You know, they've made a big deal out of these. Quad one. Which, by the way.
- [36:34]
Tony Kornheiser
What does that mean?
- [36:35]
Steve Sands
What? Thank you.
- [36:36]
Tony Kornheiser
What does it mean? Quad one.
- [36:37]
Steve Sands
And when do you find out if.
- [36:38]
Tony Kornheiser
You beat somebody in the quad one?
- [36:41]
Steve Sands
In a quad one?
- [36:42]
Tony Kornheiser
And what if they drift down the quad three by the end?
- [36:45]
Steve Sands
Quad two.
- [36:46]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
- [36:46]
Steve Sands
And I don't even have a third quad anywhere in my body. Where do you find quad three?
- [36:50]
Tony Kornheiser
Ridiculous. All right.
- [36:52]
Steve Sands
Tried a little bit.
- [36:53]
Tony Kornheiser
I was.
- [36:53]
Steve Sands
I'm working on it. I'm working on that.
- [36:57]
Tony Kornheiser
You're not taking Lipscomb? What about Marquette?
- [36:59]
Steve Sands
No, no, no. Marquette in Mexico, Marquette in Michigan State.
- [37:02]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay.
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Steve Sands
I did throw one bone at her.
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Tony Kornheiser
Auburn, Louisville. Who you got? Auburn and Michigan. Yale. Yale. Really? Yale. Yale. Michigan is a pretty high academic matchup.
- [37:19]
Steve Sands
It is.
- [37:19]
Tony Kornheiser
Michigan's one of the five best public schools in the country. Without question.
- [37:24]
Steve Sands
All true.
- [37:25]
Tony Kornheiser
Michigan. Okay, go ahead.
- [37:27]
Steve Sands
Definitely a high SAT game.
- [37:31]
Tony Kornheiser
Sdsu, UNC or Iowa State.
- [37:34]
Steve Sands
Give me the plan over Iowa State. I'm. For what it's worth, it's UNC that I'm betting.
- [37:41]
Tony Kornheiser
I know, I understand. But if they don't win, you got to take. You gotta.
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Phil's Mom
Yeah.
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Steve Sands
No, you get the second. Right.
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Tony Kornheiser
Marquette the whole time. Right. Marquette, Michigan State. All those players know each other. They were all recruited by the same schools. Auburn, Yale. The end of Yale.
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Steve Sands
The end of Yale.
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Tony Kornheiser
Auburn of Yale. Okay.
- [38:00]
Steve Sands
Although Yale beat Auburn last year. That's why I like this matchup. And it'll be a little.
- [38:04]
Tony Kornheiser
Oh, I didn't realize that Yale knocked out Auburn in the first round.
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Steve Sands
I believe so.
- [38:10]
Tony Kornheiser
Wow.
- [38:10]
Steve Sands
That right, Nigel?
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Mike Wilbon
I'm going to have to look that up.
- [38:13]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. All right. Unc. Michigan State.
- [38:15]
Steve Sands
Michigan State.
- [38:18]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay. The bottom bracket.
- [38:22]
Steve Sands
Don't you want.
- [38:23]
Tony Kornheiser
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who do you have going to. Yeah. Who's going.
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Steve Sands
I'm gonna. I'm gonna Bet against Bruce Pearl and. And choke. And I'm gonna go Michigan State.
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Mike Wilbon
And it was a true upset. Yale, the 13 over the four seed. Auburn 78. Yes. A Bob Ryan.
- [38:38]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
- [38:38]
Mike Wilbon
Classic.
- [38:39]
Tony Kornheiser
Absolutely legit. Yeah. Michigan State into the Final Four. At the moment, Chuck Todd is not. Does not have any SEC teams in the Final Four. This is the. This is my greatest conference in the world.
- [38:56]
Mike Wilbon
14 teams, something like that.
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Steve Sands
As an ACC guy, I just. I am rooting for the SEC to crumble. But, yeah, I just.
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Tony Kornheiser
Wilbon feels the same way. And secretly I just hate them.
- [39:07]
Steve Sands
I have no rational view. I hate success.
- [39:10]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, okay. Florida. Florida region.
- [39:17]
Steve Sands
Let's see. Colorado State.
- [39:20]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay.
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Steve Sands
Drake and Arkansas.
- [39:29]
Tony Kornheiser
Everybody wants Arkansas because they want to see.
- [39:34]
Steve Sands
Right?
- [39:35]
Tony Kornheiser
That's what they want to see.
- [39:36]
Steve Sands
This is the TV show.
- [39:37]
Tony Kornheiser
That's exactly right.
- [39:40]
Steve Sands
By the way, Bill Self, Patino is not a. Not a bad backup plan.
- [39:44]
Tony Kornheiser
Right, Right. That's right.
- [39:46]
Steve Sands
You know, nothing wrong with that. Right now if the Omaha coach wins, we don't know about that.
- [39:52]
Tony Kornheiser
That's different. All right, Florida. UConn.
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Steve Sands
Florida.
- [39:56]
Tony Kornheiser
Colorado State. Maryland.
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Steve Sands
Maryland.
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Tony Kornheiser
Drake. Texas Tech. Texas tech and Arkansas. St. John's St. John's I root for Drake just because the guy comes in, he's a D2 coach. He brings in D2 players. These are not four stars and five stars. These are D2s. And they win. Good for him. Yeah, good for him. All right, Florida, Maryland.
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Steve Sands
That's probably good for one win, though, in the NCAA Tournament. Not too.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's it. Right? I agree.
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Steve Sands
Yeah. Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Florida and Texas Tech. St. John's St. John's and Florida. St. John's Florida, please. Okay, so you give one sec.
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Steve Sands
Given one sec. So like this, I got three one seats.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. I mean, you know, this is what I'm thinking about here. This is what I'm thinking about. With all of the attendant publicity that goes to the SEC with all the raves about it. How many do they have to get into the Final Four to avoid disaster if they get none in the Final Four, Right, Chuck? Disaster.
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Steve Sands
That's a disaster.
- [41:04]
Tony Kornheiser
But you.
- [41:04]
Steve Sands
I just think one.
- [41:05]
Tony Kornheiser
Just one. You don't think two.
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Steve Sands
I don't think two. I think just one. I mean, what do they have? Four.
- [41:12]
Tony Kornheiser
Four. Four.
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Steve Sands
The top eight number ones and two number twos.
- [41:14]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. For the top eight. Yeah. Yeah.
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Steve Sands
You know, let me ask you this. The likelihood that a school that is seated three or higher makes it into the Final Four.
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Tony Kornheiser
This year, I would give that a low percentage.
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Steve Sands
I would, too. I'd like to bet that I'm sure you can.
- [41:33]
Tony Kornheiser
You can bet anything.
- [41:34]
Phil's Mom
Yeah.
- [41:35]
Tony Kornheiser
So speaking of betting, how would you like to have bet the Wizards last night and seen that their coach, probably under orders from their gm, said, no, no, no, no. Don't play pool. Don't play Middleton. We need to lose. We need to stay involved in the Cooper Flag sweepstakes. And when they play you, Utah, it would be like they all use G League players for that game as they try to take.
- [41:58]
Steve Sands
What do we got, a 12 game lead for the most lottery balls or whatever it is.
- [42:04]
Tony Kornheiser
Utah is currently the worst. Really?
- [42:07]
Steve Sands
They passed us?
- [42:08]
Tony Kornheiser
I believe so. And that's why Washington tanked last night in Portland. Total tank job by Washington. Should be investigated by the NBA. Should be. They tanked. Okay. Michigan State, Florida.
- [42:25]
Steve Sands
I'm going. I'm only going Michigan State because I assume everybody else has got Florida in their final and I'm just. This is gaming the pool.
- [42:34]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. I didn't watch a lot of college basketball this year. The two or three times I saw Florida, I went, wow, they're scoring 100. They're scoring 100 against good teams.
- [42:45]
Steve Sands
Bring up an uncomfortable thing about the Gators. Their coach, and I don't think he's alone on his staff.
- [42:52]
Tony Kornheiser
Right. Okay.
- [42:53]
Steve Sands
Hasn't there been multiple investigations? This feels like the Alabama situation a couple years ago.
- [42:58]
Tony Kornheiser
NATO.
- [42:59]
Steve Sands
Years ago.
- [42:59]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
- [43:01]
Steve Sands
We're not going to talk about this.
- [43:03]
Tony Kornheiser
I don't. It seems that it's gone away because it seems that the school has been.
- [43:09]
Steve Sands
It's gone because he wins.
- [43:11]
Tony Kornheiser
Well, the school said, we looked into this and we're not buying it. And he wins. And he wins. But I think.
- [43:19]
Steve Sands
I think lawsuit at the other school, I believe.
- [43:22]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay. I think the closer he gets to the Final Four and certainly in the Final Four, it comes back up. Even though he'll sit there and say, I'm not talking about that yet. Basketball question. Yeah. That's how it'll end up. All right. Houston, Duke.
- [43:38]
Steve Sands
Houston.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay. I don't. I don't begrudge that. Houston's pretty good team. They've been a good team for a while. They're more veteran than Duke. Duke's got four freshmen and Michigan now score. Yeah.
- [43:48]
Steve Sands
They actually have three point shooters. Every the last couple years, Houston gets in here and they play ugly basketball.
- [43:54]
Tony Kornheiser
Who you got winning?
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Steve Sands
Houston.
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Tony Kornheiser
Houston wins the whole thing. Kelvin Sampson finally wins it. Okay.
- [44:01]
Steve Sands
Finally. Finally breaks. We got a lot of guys that need a breakthrough, right? Bruce Pearl.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
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Steve Sands
Sampson. Who else needs one that's been there. Been. Been sniffing around, Hadn't Got one.
- [44:12]
Tony Kornheiser
There are probably two or three other.
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Steve Sands
Barnes.
- [44:15]
Tony Kornheiser
Oh, Rick Barnes from Tennessee. Yeah. He's been around for a while. He's a nice. I think he's a. Those are pleasant.
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Steve Sands
Those are probably the guys with what most NCAA wins without a title.
- [44:24]
Tony Kornheiser
They're close. Yeah, I would think so. I would think so. Because almost everybody who you think is revered has a title.
- [44:31]
Mike Wilbon
Yeah.
- [44:32]
Tony Kornheiser
Even though some of them have been vacated along the way.
- [44:35]
Steve Sands
Well, Calipari, he's had multiple Final Four teams vacated.
- [44:39]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, yeah.
- [44:40]
Steve Sands
I mean, that in. It isn't that in of itself? That should be like an honor, like, you know, multiple final 14th.
- [44:45]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. There should be a list. You know, you get a trophy like the Sofi cup for the tgl. People pose with the Sofi Cup. As if anyone who passed that on the street would have any idea what that is.
- [44:59]
Steve Sands
That is what is so PI, by the way.
- [45:01]
Tony Kornheiser
That's the. That's the golf league thing so far.
- [45:03]
Steve Sands
No, I know I do as golf, but what's the sponsor?
- [45:06]
Tony Kornheiser
Well, so far. So far. So far, the.
- [45:09]
Steve Sands
I guess I thought you said Soheim.
- [45:11]
Tony Kornheiser
No. Are they an insurance company?
- [45:13]
Gary Williams
Personal finance. Personal financial tech.
- [45:15]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
- [45:15]
Mike Wilbon
Who knows finance and cleaning products.
- [45:17]
Tony Kornheiser
We don't believe in any of that stuff. Thank you, Chuck.
- [45:20]
Steve Sands
Hey, can I plug my podcast?
- [45:22]
Tony Kornheiser
Please do.
- [45:24]
Steve Sands
Just go to thechucktodcast.com sign up.
- [45:26]
Tony Kornheiser
Oh, the Chuck Todd kids. I like that in April. Who are you gonna have on? Do you have, like, regulars?
- [45:35]
Steve Sands
I'm gonna have all the. All your favorite people from the zoo.
- [45:39]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay.
- [45:39]
Steve Sands
We'll have Reginald.
- [45:41]
Tony Kornheiser
Good. Probably he's producing.
- [45:43]
Steve Sands
I think DG is gonna be the first guest.
- [45:45]
Tony Kornheiser
That's really good. DG would be a great guy.
- [45:48]
Steve Sands
And of course, Chuck and Roxy.
- [45:50]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, yeah. That's wonderful. All right, good luck. Good luck with all of it. Plug it anytime you want. Thank you, Chuck. Chuck Todd. Boys and girls, we will take a break. Who's coming up next? Steve Sands. Steve Sands. Coming up next, I'm Tony Kornheiser.
- [46:06]
Phil's Mom
You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser Show.
- [46:11]
Tony Kornheiser
One more time, Money for Guns and our friend Will Salisbury. This is a song called the End was perfect. Michael, if independent groups like Money for Guns want to send us their original music and have us play it, how do they do it?
- [46:26]
Gary Williams
Send us your music by emailing it to jinglesonycoinizershow.com and again, we are playing ESPN Tournament Challenge at Tony Konizer Show 2025. Passcode protected. It is. Listen up. It is not case sensitive. This is all Lowercase, and it is. I'll put that up as well. You can put in two brackets. And we'll make sure to share results later and send out some good prizes. Again. Tony Konizer show 20, 25. Make sure it's not the right year.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, 20. Listen up, listen up. It's apparently appropriated by Chuck and Roxy at some point. Steve Sands joins us now. We're going to do the Steve Sands pool. But before that, I went insane yesterday about a three hole aggregate playoff in a non major being the next morning. And I said, Light up 17. They just played it 10 minutes before. They know where the pin is, they know the distance. Let them keep playing until somebody wins. Put floodlights or car headlights or whatever you have to do, but don't stretch it out to a three hole aggregate the next day. That's, that's a fireable offense. What do you think about that?
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Phil's Mom
A, I saw the rant. B, I totally agree with you. And see, I had about 400 texts with that rant on my phone saying, you're friends with Tony, right? You know that guy. And I'm like laughing and look, I'm never a fan of Monday finishes. The reason the USGA changed the US Open playoff from a Monday 18 hole playoff to finish it on Sunday night is because it's just better for the event. It's better for the integrity of the event. It's better for fans, it's better for tv, it's better for players, it's better for everybody. And you know, you just lose a lot of momentum when you have a Monday morning finish, especially in a playoff. But they were stuck, Tony. I mean, they were up against it with light. So they couldn't do that because of the four hour delay. But to your point, could they light up 17 and do it there? Yeah, sure. But they choose to have a three hole, three hole aggregate finish because it's the best finish on the PGA Tour. 16, 17 and 18. I understand your point about 17, but the reason they do it, 16, 17 and 18. And I know it's not a major like you said, but it is the biggest event on the PGA Tour calendar and they want to make it different from the other events.
- [48:53]
Tony Kornheiser
I can just tell you what my son said when there was going to be a playoff. Remember what you said? What? Rory will win by three.
- [49:00]
Gary Williams
Oh, once it went to a weather delay, I thought, Rory's gonna win outright by two to three shots. Yes. And you saw this immediately when they go, when they restart and spawn yet again, leaves a birdie Putt short, you go, this is over. And he has to go and mark the one and a half foot putt because everyone is already moving to 17. It was over even before they got to that tee.
- [49:17]
Tony Kornheiser
So anyway, now you know, you know.
- [49:19]
Phil's Mom
He had a three shot lead with six holes to play. Yeah, Rory did.
- [49:22]
Gary Williams
Yes.
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Phil's Mom
I mean, I mean, he came right.
- [49:24]
Gary Williams
Out of the delay.
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Tony Kornheiser
He should have. There was a. There was a birdie. He missed. A five foot birdie. He missed and that would have iced it. But anyway. Okay, let's move on to this. Let's start with the Duke bracket on the top right hand side. Any upsets at all?
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Phil's Mom
None. Zero. I refuse to do upsets. No, actually an 8, 9 game is an upset. No, no, no. No upsets in that upper right. No upsets. This is not gonna. There's no upsets in the. In the honor of Nil. There will be no upsets in the NCAA Tournament this year, except for one or two.
- [49:58]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, then, then it's possible that when I give you the matchup that is not an upset, you'll say, no, I had the other team winning. So let's go. Duke, Mississippi State.
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Phil's Mom
You got to be honest. You got to be honest. I'm just telling you. I give you the upsets in the upper right.
- [50:12]
Tony Kornheiser
I hate Duke.
- [50:12]
Phil's Mom
I hate Duke. No offense to Barry's Verluga.
- [50:15]
Tony Kornheiser
Right?
- [50:15]
Gary Williams
But I'll send Liz your regards.
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Phil's Mom
Duke will beat Mississippi State.
- [50:19]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay. Oregon. Arizona.
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Phil's Mom
I got Arizona beating Oregon. Dana Altman's a really, really, really good coach, especially this time of year. Okay, I'll take the Cats. I like the way they're playing.
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Tony Kornheiser
BYU, Wisconsin.
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Phil's Mom
Take the Mormons.
- [50:35]
Tony Kornheiser
BYU and St. Mary's Alabama.
- [50:39]
Phil's Mom
Roll Tide.
- [50:40]
Tony Kornheiser
Alabama. Duke, Arizona.
- [50:44]
Phil's Mom
I hate him.
- [50:45]
Tony Kornheiser
But you.
- [50:46]
Phil's Mom
No offense, I love Lefty Drizzle to death. But Duke will beat Arizona.
- [50:50]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. And byu. Alabama.
- [50:55]
Phil's Mom
Roll Tide.
- [50:56]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, Alabama. And this gives you one more chance to hate Duke. Duke. Alabama.
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Phil's Mom
I hate Duke. I can't stand Duke. But in the honor of junior pick.
- [51:07]
Tony Kornheiser
Duke. Okay, so Duke in the Final Four. It's good to know that your feelings are resolute that you hate.
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Phil's Mom
I mean, honestly. The Pittsburgh Penguins, Duke and Colorado football.
- [51:19]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
- [51:20]
Phil's Mom
In Dallas Cowboys football, all of them just go away.
- [51:23]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay. All right. Bottom right. Any upsets?
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Phil's Mom
None. Zero.
- [51:29]
Tony Kornheiser
Gonna have chalk.
- [51:30]
Phil's Mom
I love this. This is so much fun. Chalk all the way.
- [51:33]
Tony Kornheiser
That's fine. It's totally fine.
- [51:36]
Phil's Mom
No, wait, hold on. Zag is an eight.
- [51:39]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay. Gonzaga's an eight.
- [51:40]
Phil's Mom
My sister went to Georgia. Sorry, Michelle, but the Zags don't lose. In the first round. Eight will beat the nine there.
- [51:46]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay. Houston. Gonzaga.
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Phil's Mom
Houston. They don't have Guy Lewis this time. They're actually going to win something.
- [51:54]
Tony Kornheiser
Clemson. Purdue.
- [51:57]
Phil's Mom
Clemson.
- [52:00]
Tony Kornheiser
Spoken like a true ACC guy.
- [52:03]
Phil's Mom
The ACC is so bad.
- [52:05]
Tony Kornheiser
Illinois, Kentucky.
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Phil's Mom
I'm going to go Big Ten there. I'm going to go Illinois.
- [52:10]
Tony Kornheiser
Do you see what Duke did to them? Did you see what Duke did to them about three weeks ago? Beat him by 50. Just tell. I know. UCLA, Tennessee.
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Phil's Mom
Mick Cronin's a maniac on the sideline. We'll go with Rick Barnes, who just stands there and just kind of hangs out in that cool orange.
- [52:30]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, Houston. Clemson.
- [52:34]
Phil's Mom
Akeem Olajuwon in his honor. Houston moves along.
- [52:37]
Tony Kornheiser
Houston and Illinois. Tennessee going with Tennessee.
- [52:41]
Phil's Mom
Man, I think Tennessee is really good. I'll take Tennessee.
- [52:44]
Tony Kornheiser
Well, how good do you think they are? Will they beat Houston?
- [52:48]
Phil's Mom
No.
- [52:48]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, so they're not that good.
- [52:50]
Phil's Mom
They're going back to the Final Four.
- [52:52]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, so they're not that good. Okay.
- [52:54]
Phil's Mom
No, they're good. I got the Elite Eight. They're good.
- [52:56]
Tony Kornheiser
On the top left, the Auburn region, who you got?
- [53:01]
Phil's Mom
I do have one upset.
- [53:02]
Tony Kornheiser
Go ahead.
- [53:02]
Phil's Mom
It's not much of an upset, but it's an 8, 9 game. I think Creighton will win. The others will be chalk.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay, Michigan.
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Phil's Mom
No upsets. Man.
- [53:13]
Tony Kornheiser
Now, I just want to. I just want to make sure on this. If UNC beats San Diego State University and they play Ole Miss, you still have Ole Miss, right?
- [53:24]
Phil's Mom
Yeah, because I hate Carolina.
- [53:25]
Tony Kornheiser
You hate Carolina as well?
- [53:27]
Phil's Mom
Hey, Carolina grew up a Maryland guy. Hate Carolina.
- [53:30]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay.
- [53:31]
Phil's Mom
Love the uniforms, love the colors. Love, love Sam Reeves.
- [53:34]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
- [53:34]
Phil's Mom
Can't stand Carolina.
- [53:36]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, well, there you go. All right.
- [53:38]
Phil's Mom
Auburn, Creighton, they don't belong in the tournament. What on earth is Carolina doing in the tournament? Other than Bubba Cunningham being the chairman of the committee? Give me a break on Carolina getting in.
- [53:50]
Mike Wilbon
Joke could be a conflict of interest.
- [53:53]
Tony Kornheiser
I'm sure that Chan and Liz are going to really like listening to this one today as Carolina and Duke go down the drain.
- [53:59]
Phil's Mom
If they are.
- [53:59]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, Auburn. Creighton.
- [54:03]
Phil's Mom
Oh, Auburn. Auburn's really good.
- [54:05]
Tony Kornheiser
Michigan A and M. That's a tough one.
- [54:09]
Phil's Mom
I hate Michigan, but I'm going. But I'm going. Michigan. I thought Williams is a maniac on the sidelines. Why do you hate Michigan's old school? Why do I hate Michigan?
- [54:18]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
- [54:19]
Phil's Mom
What's to like about Michigan?
- [54:20]
Tony Kornheiser
It's a pretty good school.
- [54:23]
Steve Sands
Stop.
- [54:23]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, now stop. Ole Miss. Iowa State.
- [54:28]
Phil's Mom
Iowa State. Really good. They're missing a good player. But Iowa State can really hoop.
- [54:32]
Tony Kornheiser
Marquette, Michigan State.
- [54:35]
Phil's Mom
Izzo, march, go along.
- [54:37]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, Auburn, Michigan.
- [54:42]
Phil's Mom
I love a Jewish guy living in Auburn. Alabama. I'll go. Bruce Pearl there.
- [54:46]
Tony Kornheiser
Bruce Pearl, Auburn and Iowa State. Michigan State.
- [54:50]
Phil's Mom
Tom Izzo, march, move along.
- [54:53]
Tony Kornheiser
So do you have Tom Izzo beating Bruce Pearl to get to the Final Four?
- [54:58]
Phil's Mom
Tom is a march, move along.
- [55:00]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, here we go. Okay. At the moment, you have no SEC teams in the Final Four. Thirteen in. None in the fight in your Final Four. So far, you got another chance.
- [55:11]
Phil's Mom
14 teams. 14 of the 68 teams of the SEC. Give me a break, man.
- [55:17]
Tony Kornheiser
And by the way, and I did say this yesterday because I got Kelleher to give me the numbers. The two schools that didn't get in LSU and South Carolina, you'd say to yourself, okay, we should fire those coaches because they can't, you know, so LSU out of conference 11 and 3. South Carolina out of conference 10 and 4. So maybe they are that good. Maybe they are that good. Okay.
- [55:38]
Phil's Mom
Yeah.
- [55:39]
Tony Kornheiser
In the bottom left, who you got upsets?
- [55:41]
Phil's Mom
There is one upset.
- [55:43]
Tony Kornheiser
Go ahead.
- [55:44]
Phil's Mom
My alma mater, Colorado State, will beat Memphis.
- [55:49]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay.
- [55:51]
Phil's Mom
The Rams. Nico Medved, by the way, you watch 2:00 on Friday afternoon in Seattle. They play Memphis. You look out for a guy named Nick Clifford. I'm telling you, he's a first round draft pick. Nick Clifford.
- [56:04]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, Colorado State. All right.
- [56:06]
Phil's Mom
Florida, UConn, Gators, good rematch of an NCAA championship game.
- [56:13]
Tony Kornheiser
And here is. Here is something very problematic. You either can say, I can't lose because of my ties to both, or I can't win because of my ties to both. Colorado State, Maryland, it's a win.
- [56:26]
Phil's Mom
Win. But when that came up on the board, I mean, my heart sank. Yeah, I live and breathe in my blood, Maryland basketball. But I went to Colorado State and I love, love csu, love Nico Medved, love the Rams, love everything about him. Maryland's better.
- [56:43]
Tony Kornheiser
Maryland, okay. Mizzou, Texas Tech.
- [56:46]
Phil's Mom
Breaks my heart that they're playing each other. Drives me nuts. Texas Tech advances over Mizzou.
- [56:52]
Tony Kornheiser
Kansas, St. John's I think Patino is.
- [56:56]
Phil's Mom
One of the top two or three stories, maybe the best story going on into this tournament. I would love to see them make a long run. I think St. John's beats Kansas.
- [57:05]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay.
- [57:05]
Phil's Mom
I would love it, by the way. I would love to see he and Cal apart.
- [57:08]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, but you picked the other way. You picked.
- [57:10]
Phil's Mom
I think. I think Kansas is going to be. Calipari stinks. The game's passing by and I think Kansas. I think Kansas will beat Arkansas. But I would love to see Calipari and Petito on the sideline together.
- [57:22]
Tony Kornheiser
Everybody would. All right. It's a tough one for you because Florida is really good and they score 100 points every game. And it's against Maryland. Who you got?
- [57:30]
Phil's Mom
Fear the turtle, baby. Maryland moving on. We're moving to this. We're moving on.
- [57:34]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay. And Texas Tech, St. John's I hope.
- [57:38]
Phil's Mom
If it is Calipari, I think St. John's I think Patina will wear the all white suit at some point.
- [57:47]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
- [57:47]
Phil's Mom
And I'm hoping he does at some point. Tom was the all white suit.
- [57:50]
Tony Kornheiser
Hope so.
- [57:51]
Phil's Mom
I think. I think he beats Texas tech.
- [57:53]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay. Maryland, St. John's Maryland's going to the Final Four.
- [57:59]
Phil's Mom
Maryland's going to the Final Four, Tony, because the Valero Texas Open is the week of the Final Four.
- [58:06]
Tony Kornheiser
Right.
- [58:06]
Phil's Mom
And the Final Four is in San Antonio.
- [58:08]
Tony Kornheiser
Which allows you to go to both.
- [58:10]
Phil's Mom
That's correct.
- [58:11]
Tony Kornheiser
It allows you to go to both. Okay.
- [58:14]
Phil's Mom
Correct.
- [58:15]
Tony Kornheiser
All right. That's good. All right.
- [58:16]
Gary Williams
Couldn't get a Springsteen concert in there as well.
- [58:19]
Phil's Mom
You know, if we could get Liz and made it over to a Springsteen concert during the day and then go to the Terps game at night, that'd be the perfect day in San Antonio.
- [58:27]
Tony Kornheiser
Maryland, Michigan State. A Big Ten traditional rivalry. Maryland, Michigan State. Who you got?
- [58:33]
Phil's Mom
Couple weeks ago, a 60 footer at Xfinity center and Izzo beat Kevin Willard this time. Willard gets the win, moves it, moves along to the championship game.
- [58:43]
Tony Kornheiser
Maryland in the finals.
- [58:45]
Phil's Mom
Correct.
- [58:46]
Tony Kornheiser
Against Duke or Houston?
- [58:48]
Phil's Mom
I hate Duke. I hate. I hate Duke.
- [58:53]
Tony Kornheiser
Right.
- [58:54]
Phil's Mom
Can't stand him. In the honor of Larry Mishaw, we're going to go with Houston to advance to the final. Okay, reference there.
- [59:02]
Tony Kornheiser
So then you don't have. I know that team, Larry Misha.
- [59:05]
Phil's Mom
Sure you do.
- [59:06]
Tony Kornheiser
So then you don't have the kind of real hatred rooting interest in the final game. Maryland against Duke.
- [59:13]
Phil's Mom
No.
- [59:13]
Tony Kornheiser
You have Maryland against Houston and who do you pick?
- [59:17]
Phil's Mom
No hatred, only love. I couldn't take Longwood for my man, Greg Garcia. So I'm going to go with Maryland to beat Houston. Just like my guy Terry Gannon when they beat Houston in the final at the Pit. He may have been at that game, son.
- [59:32]
Tony Kornheiser
I was not at that one. That was. That was Valvano's win. I was not at that one. No.
- [59:36]
Phil's Mom
Okay. Maryland will win the national championship. Cut down the nets. Willard will get a massive raise, big, huge contract, and Maryland back on track, winning its second national championship.
- [59:47]
Tony Kornheiser
You know, Gary really does like Willard. He thinks he's really good. Yeah, he's very loud. All right, you got Maryland. Thank you, Steve.
- [59:55]
Phil's Mom
Go Terps. And by the way, go Caps. Yeah, Terps. Novechkin, come on, man. The D.C. sports scene right now is monstrous.
- [60:04]
Tony Kornheiser
Can I just ask one more question? Are you sure about your feelings about Duke?
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Phil's Mom
Are you sure, Tony? Yeah, I try to teach this to my children. Hate, anger and jealousy or wasted emotions. Except. And by the way, here's the best part about your hatred for Duke obviously derives from your love of Maryland basketball.
- [60:29]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
- [60:29]
Phil's Mom
The greatest thing about hating Duke is that Val Sands, his father went to Duke.
- [60:35]
Tony Kornheiser
Oh, okay.
- [60:37]
Phil's Mom
Bit of a. Bit of a tricky spot in the. In the sand house.
- [60:40]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, but don't worry, they don't listen to the podcast.
- [60:42]
Phil's Mom
No, got up.
- [60:43]
Tony Kornheiser
We need to. Okay. Thank you, Steve.
- [60:47]
Phil's Mom
All right.
- [60:47]
Tony Kornheiser
Steve Sands, boys and girls. Steve Sands. I just want to make sure he hates Michigan, too. I guess I didn't understand the hatred of Michigan.
- [60:55]
Gary Williams
I'll send him a picture of Bootsy at his first Cameron game.
- [60:57]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, Okie dokie. All right. We have very, very little email today, but we'll do a little bit of email and thank a couple of people.
- [61:04]
Mike Wilbon
We got a nice package in the map.
- [61:05]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, we got packages. I didn't. I hadn't seen it. We got two packages. We got actually three. Three different things that we'll talk about when we return. I'm Tony Kornheiser.
- [61:14]
Chuck Todd
This is the Tony Kornheiser show.
- [61:16]
Phil's Mom
Tony Korniser Show.
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- [61:50]
Tony Kornheiser
Annie Crass can do that and you can't. And that's why she does it. That's fabulous. You want to do the Bethesda bagel ad for.
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Mike Wilbon
Yes, Bethesda bagels. We love them. You will as well. Just go to bethesdabeagels.com for the location in the DC area nearest you. Then pop it in.
- [62:03]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, Be thrilled. And before we get to the mailbag, let me just say, Blue Jean Baby, L.A. lA Lady Seamstress for the band. Pretty eyed pirate smile. You marry a music man. Ballerina. You must have seen her dancing in the sand. Now she's in me Always with me. Tiny dancer in my hand. Almost famous.
- [62:19]
Mike Wilbon
Oh.
- [62:20]
Tony Kornheiser
Revolves around that song, that Elton John song. Great song. Thanks to our guest today, Phil's mom, Chuck Todd. Steve Sands. I think he's got strong feelings about Duke. Thanks as well. To today's sponsors. Remember, you can listen to us on Apple Podcast, Spotify and Odyssey. If you get the show through Apple, please leave us a review.
- [62:39]
Gary Williams
So we got once again, Tournament Challenge Tony Konizer Show 2025. Password is listen up. I added that as the group message. So feel free to join two brackets. We'll send out some good prizes.
- [62:49]
Tony Kornheiser
Let me thank a whole bunch of people who sent stuff recently. One is Tracy Callahan. A beautiful bouquet of flowers came to the house yesterday. I don't know why that's great, but it's lovely and I appreciate that. Bethesda Florists. Dave Spector, who runs and owns Bells Up, a winery in Oregon, writes, this should at least. He sent us a bunch of wine. This should at least prepare you for any emergency salmon pairings. Thank you again for all your mentions and your support. The last few years have been difficult ones for our industry. It's the weather. The weather has been very bad in the West. Very bad. And the Littles have kept us in the game. I was actually glad to hear you were out of our wines. Means you've been enjoying them, and that's exactly why I make them. So all Littles who are out in Oregon and get a chance to see the Bells up winery and buy something. Please do. Please buy something. Then a box of potato chips in cans. Yeah. Canned chips. Wine chips. Wine chips came. I had no. I didn't know these were coming. These are wonderful. Yeah.
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Mike Wilbon
Somebody emailed us.
- [63:49]
Tony Kornheiser
Everybody made fun of me that I said I drink wine and eat potato chips.
- [63:52]
Gary Williams
But apparently that's a very famous pairing.
- [63:54]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay.
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Mike Wilbon
By the way, something else.
- [63:55]
Gary Williams
We've got a couple emails on Candide.
- [63:57]
Mike Wilbon
Champagne and popcorn apparently is okay. Yeah. Never occurred to me.
- [64:01]
Tony Kornheiser
I read something somewhere recently.
- [64:04]
Gary Williams
Oh, he took off the glasses for this.
- [64:05]
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. I read something somewhere recently about a particular popcorn called Skinny Pop.
- [64:11]
Gary Williams
Oh, yeah, sure.
- [64:11]
Mike Wilbon
Yeah.
- [64:12]
Tony Kornheiser
That. It's no guilt. Yes. It will not hurt you like other popcorns will. It's apparently pretty.
- [64:18]
Gary Williams
Let me introduce you to the world of kids snacks. You will? Yeah.
- [64:21]
Tony Kornheiser
Skinny Pop. Yeah. So there you go. Anyway, this comes from Marianne Flat.
- [64:25]
Gary Williams
Next we're gonna try veggie straws.
- [64:26]
Tony Kornheiser
Right. Marianne Flat. And she sent it to us. Wine chips, which is apparently. They are apparently made in Pawpaw, Michigan. I didn't know that. Winechips.com. so it's like about 20 of these things in here.
- [64:41]
Mike Wilbon
Yeah, there's a lot.
- [64:42]
Tony Kornheiser
And I guess each one is a single serving. As you sit and eat a.
- [64:45]
Gary Williams
A can, one can, three cans.
- [64:47]
Tony Kornheiser
All Right, so we'll split these up. Yeah, we'll split up everything. We'll split up everything. And now we have some email here from Joe Pearson in Indianapolis. Hey, Tony. So we are now supposed to refer to Bob Ryan as a quintessential American dishwasher. Every.
- [65:01]
Gary Williams
Every time this goes back years, I think it's like a. It's a bit of his. He's always emptying the dishwasher.
- [65:08]
Mike Wilbon
Yeah, there was some dishes going on in the back.
- [65:10]
Tony Kornheiser
Joe Rizzo, Oak Hill, Virginia I have to express my admiration for Bob Ryan's multitasking ability, which allows him to make his picks while clearly and loudly doing the dishes. However, there were so many dishes that he either had a dinner party the night before or he's a side gig bussing tables every time he does this.
- [65:26]
Gary Williams
Honestly, going back years.
- [65:28]
Tony Kornheiser
Tim Cree, Fort Collins, Colorado these are all regulars emailing. Yes. Did Bob Ryan get a job as a busboy at chatter? P.J. donnelly, Springfield. For if Mark Feinstein was ready to change his son's name to Jaden, based on the quarterback's performance in Washington this year, surely Jason Locanfora would be open to changing his son's name to Aaron, right? Probably. Jason bullet, Saratoga County, New York Chuck and Roxy Episode 31. You'll be interested to know that the potato chip was invented in my hometown of Saratoga Springs, New York. Really? Legend has it that a man named George Crumb, C R U m a chef who was also a member of the Mohawk tribe, served thinly sliced potatoes which became known initially as Saratoga chips, at Moon's Lake House. Even in the late 19th century, Crumb had no knowledge of which wine paired best with this type of delicacy. Information? A chef named Crumb Crumb. No B at the end of it. C R U M like Denny Crumb. Oh, right. Ryan Sweeney, Columbus, Ohio. Sorry to disagree, Mr. Toney, but Spike is not yet a man. He may have a deep voice, may be able to vote, make his own decisions. However, we all know he's not a man until he's 40. I got a nice note from Gary how much he enjoyed Spike on the air and how much I enjoyed it as well. From Nile Piper, Newcastle upon Tyne in England. I am eagerly awaiting your review of the English League cup won by my beloved Newcastle United for their first domestic trophy in 70 years. I imagine Edith Solizzo will be you will be with you the second hour to break down their 2 to 1 win over Liverpool on Sunday. At least the trophy drought never got to the length of the Cubs. So eat at Wilbond from Dave Patton from Naugatuck, Connecticut. You mentioned the other day that you looked old on tv. Trust me, no one is watching you for your looks. You're not Brad Pitt. And eat it, Scott. Organic or organic? And one more. Alex Cloninger, Associate professor in the Department of Mathematics at the University of California, San Diego. And they are in the field.
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Mike Wilbon
That's right.
- [67:21]
Tony Kornheiser
They're in the 68. Hearing everyone pick UCSD over Michigan leads me to the following question. We have a basketball team. Go Tritons. I think the Tritons. What a cool name that is.
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Mike Wilbon
That is good.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's really good. All right. If you're out on your bike, T everyone, as always, do wear white.
- [67:37]
Phil's Mom
Yeah.
- [67:37]
Tony Kornheiser
Here's the thing. We're not the wonders right now. We're Captain Geech and the Shrimp Shack Shooters.
- [67:54]
Snoop Dogg
Catalog. And loves. Fast wounds and canticles and sacred tunes Another perfect harmony Every day's an endless dream oh, my, my sho inspiring that all we got the girls love Paul Simon Teaching blizzard is always stymin all the Catholic girls love Paul Simon Finger picking that a general strum a treble beat, a Christian drum Rhythms of sinners, rhythms of saints Staccato signals with a casual grace well, I guess it's not really all that surprising. While all the Catholic girls love Paul silent whether they're drinking or whether they're driving all together Girls love Paul Silent Hollow sleeve dumbed on their souls knows how to make them lose control Swept away by his shade Are you sure? There's only 50 ways for all to keep Our captain girls love our silence save our lives they just keep residing all the captain girls love Balsamic wisdom to feed Love it you can listen over and over again oh, father, father, I gotta confess you sing it fine but he sings it best all so ready for new baptizing all the catholic girls love on silence sit alone now Silver girls got those ballerina twirls half the time we're gone, gone, gone when will April finally come? Ooh, she's looking so fine all the captain girls love Paul Simon Weather the fake and weather the righteous all the captain girls love all Simon Sneaking cigarettes after mass really want to ditch this class Forget about Ophelia Shake it down to Cecilia don't the sisters know it's just a divine? All the Catholic girls look all signed and one thing's true until the end of time, yeah. All the Catholic girls love all sign men Hate your school, your mom, your dad even hates your skirt or Plaid stead of laying round out of luck so much fun he didn't give a F79 a little slip sty and all the catholic girls love Paul Simon Whether they're steering or whether they're riding. All the captain girls love Paul Simon all got the good luck on you just can't deny all of that love. I could use a cigarette here tonight next to you and the rest of that I know it's autumn now we're supposed to stop somehow I memorized the words you left drifting in me. Swing your breaths inside my head I'm restless again. All your dreams of death and politics the cracks pieces you couldn't fix that I left to memory buried beneath the wake love leaving a red and white somber dress. I held my tongue while you did your best. Through our last walk in city heat. Wandering down western streets we're all the ghost of love is made we're all the ghost of love of me. Now my arms and legs are tired but my mind gets awake and wild eyes to see. Every now and then my eyes closed but never again in the open and on the street along the cat plays with friends it why you did your best sitting here Wandering down western streets. Where all the ghost love is me. Where all the ghost love is me. I could really use a cigarette here tonight without you in the floor resting.
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Tony Kornheiser
Life.
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Snoop Dogg
I killed everything you buried in me. Can you see me past your window sill? Cause I see you when I'm feeling still all those pictures behind your eyes on the cloud filled with the skies. You laugh so hard the sound would stop when we were that was the worst of it I was never quite you're till I like stories you see on your tv but she liked that last bit Cause the end was perfect. You're the endless curl make my morning round tap water through coffee grounds and the memories of you and the cold our limbs of laugh Unl was he left trip. You were the only ones that had left. The last thing on my mind. Smiled and kissed me goodbye. Every one time was the last time. Yeah, for one time it was the last time. But the end was perfect. I was never quiet your day life like a story that you would see for me.