“Wait…who’s driving?”

Summary

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The Tony Kornheiser Show

Episode: "Wait…who’s driving?"
Date: November 21, 2025
Host: Tony Kornheiser
Guests: Michael Wilbon, Luke Russert, Jason La Canfora, James Carville, Jeff Ma

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Episode Overview

This episode blends the classic Tony Kornheiser Show mix: sports talk, friendly banter, local news, and some delightfully meandering tangents. The sports focus centers on a post-mortem of the Bills' loss to the Texans, the Eagles’ ongoing drama, and playoff hopes (or the lack thereof) for teams like the Chiefs and Patriots.

Regular guests bring their unique perspectives: Jason La Canfora delves into NFL storylines and playoff prospects, while James Carville and Jeff Ma serve up their weekly football picks—complete this week with a memorable self-driving car story.

The show shifts comfortably between sports, entertainment, food (a passionate microwavable bacon discussion), and listener emails.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Post-Bills Loss & AFC Playoff Chaos

(Timestamps: 15:57–29:38)

Analysis of the Buffalo Bills

• Jason La Canfora: Expresses skepticism about the Bills' playoff prospects.
  • "They haven’t passed my eye test for a while... The defense is bad no matter where they play." (16:18)
  • Buffalo’s road woes and inability to stop the run highlighted as ongoing concerns.
• On the Texans: Praises Houston’s defense, noting its elite performance in pass defense and resilience.
  • "Number one in interceptions, number one in completion percentage against, number one in opposing passer rating." (18:06)

AFC South Playoff Race

• Jason notes a rare moment: "Multiple teams from that division, the AFC South, have a really viable chance to make the playoffs, which doesn’t happen down there that often." (18:53)
• Discussion of the possibility Buffalo and Kansas City might BOTH miss the playoffs.
  • Tony: “You never would have had that at the beginning of the year, right?” (24:15)

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2. The Eagles’ Neverending Drama

(Timestamp: 19:41–21:43)

• Tony wonders why the Eagles, despite their success, are always surrounded by drama.
• Jason downplays it:
  • "I think drama is part of their brand, and their brand's been winning." (21:32)
• Praises Jalen Hurts’ personality and stability, which he believes trickles down to the whole team.

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3. Kansas City Chiefs' Struggles & Playoff Outlook

(Timestamp: 24:52–26:30)

• Despite faith in Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes, Jason is wary after a flurry of close losses.
  • "Now all they do is lose one-score games after 17 straight times they won one-score games." (24:36)
• Key stat: Since trading Tyreek Hill, Mahomes has only six passing TDs of 20 yards or more, less than young QBs like Will Levis, Aidan O’Connell, and Justin Fields (26:00).

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4. Miscellaneous Local Sports & Listener Email

(Timestamp: 02:25–13:51)

Washington Sports Woes

• Tony laments D.C. as "the worst sports city in the country that has all four [major teams]" (12:42).
• "We've gone over this. They [Wizards] stink. They cheat their ticket buying public because they're not trying to win." (10:52)

Listener Mail:

• Eleven-year-old Graham from Chicago asks about sports memorabilia:
  • Tony: "I have some items but it's not, it's not a collection... I have a couple of press passes from All Star games... They're put in a collage that goes behind me on the home set of PTI." (05:53–06:29)

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5. Food Detour: Microwavable Bacon

(Timestamp: 07:29–13:51)

• Tony and Wilbon debate the merits and technique of microwavable bacon, with Wilbon providing culinary tips:
  • "If you're going to go for the microwavable bacon, you have to get the thick cut... line a microwavable safe plate with a paper towel, put some bacon on it, nuke it for a minute or two, and then it'll be crisp." (08:23)
  • Wilbon prefers oven-cooked bacon for home sandwiches: "Start it in a cold oven so it can slowly render out its fat." (09:19)

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6. Celebrating Mary Carillo’s Tennis Hall of Fame Induction

(Timestamp: 07:00–07:25)

• Joyful shout-out for friend of the show Mary Carillo entering the Hall of Fame alongside Roger Federer.
  • Tony: "That's pretty good. Be in the class with Roger Federer." (07:10)

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7. Fun with Self-Driving Cars: Jeff Ma’s ‘Waymo’ Experience

(Timestamps: 35:31–41:45)

• Highlight of the episode: Jeff Ma joins for his picks while physically riding alone in a Waymo self-driving car:
  • Tony (incredulous): "Wait, what? Who's driving the car?!" (36:07)
  • Jeff Ma: "I'm doing it for the content, Tony. ... Sometimes you just don't want to talk to a driver. It's actually the future." (36:26–36:54)
  • They joke about who to tip: "Who are you tipping? There's nobody there." (40:48)
  • Jeff explains he has his golf clubs riding shotgun: "It's okay because there's no driver. We can basically have the clubs in the driver's seat." (41:14)

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Weekly Football Picks

(Timestamp: 31:08–42:00)

James Carville's Picks (with usual confusion, banter)

• "I just like how surprised he sounds to hear his own picks read back to him." — Michael Wilbon (34:50)
• College: Colorado -7.5, Louisville +3, Oregon -9.5, James Madison -13.5
• NFL: Saints -1.5, Chiefs -3

Jeff Ma’s Picks (delivered bravely from a self-driving car)

• College: Ohio State -32.5, Duke -6.5, Oregon -10
• NFL: Bears -2.5, Chiefs -3
• Jeff pokes fun at over/under bets: “Carville loses on them all the time. I told him stop doing it.” (35:28)

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Notable Banter, Quotes, and Memorable Moments

• Tony on his ongoing British Embassy Invitations:

  • "For reasons unknown to me, I get invited on a regular basis to the British Embassy for sporting events. I don't go. But I'm thrilled when that happened." (02:25)

• Luke Russert on Luke at the Hallmark Channel movie debut:

  • "Say the movie might be better to protect the quarterback." (02:18)

• On Washington sports:

  • Tony: “We're striking out with four teams... we're the worst sports city in the country that has all four.” (12:42)

• On Jeff Ma's tech adventure:

  • Tony, in disbelief repeatedly: "I would never get in a car like that, I would not." (36:59)
  • Jeff Ma: "It's the future. It's this thing called AI. I don't know if you're familiar with it..." (36:54)

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Listener Letters Segment

(Timestamp: 43:31–53:05)

• Packed with witty “David Aldridge moments” and emails about the Hallmark Channel, Buffalo sports, and even a bearcat-themed children’s book.
• Story highlight: Tim Russert spotted drinking a can of beer among D.C. elites; “a cold beer can of a man lost among the throng of crystal and fine china.” (46:04)

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Wrap-Up

The show closes with the usual jingle, some reflection on the mix of sports and showbiz, and Tony reading listener emails, including international notes and further Hallmark movie discussions.

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Memorable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• Jason La Canfora on the state of the Bills:
  • “They haven’t passed my eye test for a while... The defense is bad no matter where they play.” (16:18)
• Tony on D.C. sports futility:
  • “We're striking out with four teams... we're the worst sports city in the country that has all four.” (12:42)
• Jeff Ma on the Waymo:
  • “I'm doing it for the content, Tony. ... Sometimes you just don't want to talk to a driver. It's actually the future.” (36:26–36:54)
• Michael Wilbon on Hallmark’s perennial snow:
  • “It's always fake snow, which was some sort of synthetic gummy substance that lasted for about six weeks.” (From listener email, 46:44)
• Tony on oven bacon:
  • “It's an all-day affair.” (09:36)
• James Carville on picks:
  • “I just like how surprised he sounds to hear his own picks read back to him.” (34:50)

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Important Timestamps for Segments

• Listener Mailbag: 05:49–07:00
• Mary Carillo Hall of Fame: 07:00–07:25
• Microwavable Bacon: 07:29–13:51
• Washington Sports Rant: 10:52–13:51
• NFL with Jason La Canfora: 15:57–29:38
• Football Picks (Carville & Ma): 31:08–42:00
• Jeff Ma’s self-driving car adventure: 35:31–41:45
• Listener Email Read: 43:31–53:05

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Tone

The episode is as you’d expect from Tony Kornheiser—warm, witty, occasionally cranky, but always engaging. The camaraderie between Tony, Wilbon, and their guests keeps things light, with sharp asides, gentle ribbing, and a sense of fun even while bemoaning the woes of Washington sports (or bacon preparation techniques).

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For fans and new listeners alike, this episode is a classic, delivering a balanced blend of sports, humor, nostalgia, tech oddities, and community.

Transcript

[Tony Kornheiser]

Hey, it's Tony. On today's show, we will talk to Jason Lock and Fora about the Bills losing to the Texans. Plus we'll talk about the state of the Eagles, the Chiefs and the Patriots. And we will get football picks as we always do, from James Carville and Jeff Ma. But first, let's keep the sales weasels happy.

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[Michael Wilbon]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

That was interesting to me. I thought there'd be more sort of.

[Michael Wilbon]

Chit chat ahead of time, you know.

[Tony Kornheiser]

How are we gonna do this? Like, do you want me to do anything?

[Luke Russert]

It's like, no, we expect expect you.

[Jeff Ma]

To know what you're doing.

[Michael Wilbon]

We know what we're doing.

[Jeff Ma]

We're trained.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Don't mess it up.

[Jason Locke]

Right.

[Michael Wilbon]

And that you get the level of disposition.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. Did you get any sort of personal encouragement from the director? Like the director when I was doing. I didn't see him, I didn't know. I just did what I did. And they said, okay, I met the guy beforehand and I said is it okay if I ad lib for anything? And he goes, no, no.

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[Tony Kornheiser]

What a delight it was to have Luke on the show.

[Michael Wilbon]

Lu just there for the craft services.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, that's right. That's the catering.

[Michael Wilbon]

Sure you can't contain Luke Russert to no script.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh just exactly. So that's tomorrow night, Saturday Night is the debut on the Hallmark Channel of the Buffalo Bills story, which probably feels a little flat now that the Bills lost last year.

[Luke Russert]

Say the movie might be better to protect the quarterback.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, Just a little flat. But we're happy for Luke and we hope he saw that. We put the banner up.

[Luke Russert]

Yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

On the set. That's great. Yes. So that's great. Okay. A couple of things to get to. For reasons unknown to me, I get invited on a regular basis to the British Embassy for sporting events.

[Luke Russert]

Big fans.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't go. But I'm. I'm thrilled when that happened. The Charge d' affaires in the British Embassy in Washington invites me to a celebratory brunch commemorating the World cup of 2026, the final draw of it. And this is on December 6th. It's tempting. It is. I have to say. It's very tempting. I don't know what I would do there. I don't know why I'm there. I can't imagine why I'm there.

[Michael Wilbon]

You know, I gotta relearn the lyrics to Three Lions.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Luke Russert]

And I think you just post up at the waffle bar, you know.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

Football's coming home.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Maybe I'll go. Maybe I'll go. Shout out to Andrew Dana involved in a legal dispute. Andrew Dana is, of course, the owner of an inventor of the name Call your mother.

[Michael Wilbon]

Call your mother and Timber Pizza.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right. And so that's what Andrew Dana does. And there's a. Apparently in Florida. Is it in Florida? The other place. Jersey. In New Jersey is another place called call your booby, which is grandmother. Yes. Like if your mother doesn't answer, call you booby from the. So he.

[Luke Russert]

From the line late in the evening.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right? Yeah. Yes. Yeah, my bubba.

[Luke Russert]

Yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, my bubba. But it's pronounced however you want to pronounce it. Here's the thing. He's suing. He says, look, I make bagels and I make pizza. That's all I really know about. I don't know what's going on here. I imagine this will be settled. I imagine it'll not go to court.

[Michael Wilbon]

I think they keep trying to call up the proprietor of the shop and they hang up.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, the. The. That's not good. No, the guy in Jersey is not. Well, I mean, it's understandable. And I'm not even saying. See, here's the thing. What if it's completely accidental? What if he comes up with this idea by himself and he doesn't even know anything about these shops in Washington.

[Michael Wilbon]

The spread and attention of call your mother make that hard to believe. You sort of see rocket ship that has spread out of the DMV into Colorado. I love reading the legal language that surrounds the idea of a mother in a Jewish household and the matriarch and looking up to that person.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. And then. And apparently the logo is very similar to Andrew Dana's logo. So we root for Andrew Dana.

[Luke Russert]

Of course we do.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I mean we root for him. So. So that's just keeping everybody appraised of what's going on. I got this note here from Graham crass in Kenilworth, Illinois. My name is Graham, I'm 12 years old. I'm from Chicago, but I'm a Green Bay packers fan, lol. I also love the Bulls. I'm a massive fan of PTI. I've been watching you guys every day for like three years. That's forever, isn't it? Well, if you're 12. If you're 12, it's a quarter of your life. I love the fast paced debates and the arguing. My question today is My question today indicating there would be more questions. Questions. My question today is do you collect sports cards or sports memorabilia? If so, what is your best card and can you shout me out on the show? I don't really collect stuff like that. I have some items but it's not, it's not a collection. Lastly, do you think Notre Dame will make the college football playoffs this year? Hope you're doing well and have a great Thanksgiving. Have time to get back to me. Well, we're not going to. There's going to be no shout out on ptr.

[Michael Wilbon]

We're going to give you some run here though. This email is tremendous.

[Luke Russert]

Oh very, yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Very happy with.

[Luke Russert]

Very confident young man.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Very happy with. He's 12 years old and he writes well, you know, and he says this is what I want to know.

[Jason Locke]

Right.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You know, so hey old man, sit down and answer me. So that's.

[Michael Wilbon]

But he maintains the voice of a 12 year old kid and has some real questions there. I would say if he's a football fan, you have, you have saved all of your press passes from when you did Monday night and each year you turned them into a, into a collage which is really cool. You've also held on to all your interview tapes. So your LE series, that's like a cool collector's items. But you don't, you didn't really keep tickets. You have a couple of press passes from All Star games.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, I have some and they're, you Know, big fights. Yeah. They're. They're put in a collage that goes behind me on the home set of PTI on a regular basis.

[Luke Russert]

And the only card that I, I know that you have is Ed Crane pool.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's in. That was sent.

[Luke Russert]

That was sent to us autographed.

[Tony Kornheiser]

The late Ed Crane pool.

[Luke Russert]

Yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's up on the set. So no, I don't, I don't have.

[Michael Wilbon]

Graham, thank you for sending your address.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes, yes. So thank you. So news of the show, friend of the show, guest on the show, Mary Carrillo.

[Luke Russert]

Oh, yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

She made the Tennis hall of Fame. She goes into the Tennis hall of Fame the same year Roger Federer does. That's pretty good. Be in the class with Roger Federer.

[Luke Russert]

Not too shabby.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I sent her a note. She said, I said, tremendous upset. I can't believe this is true. And I said, well, it's well deserved, you know, so good for her. Where is the tennis hall fames in Newport, Rhode Island.

[Luke Russert]

Newport, Rhode Island. Yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So Mary gets a trip to Newport, Rhode Island. Gets to make a speech.

[Luke Russert]

Lovely grass courts there.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. Be funny. Her speech is going to be big lawns.

[Luke Russert]

Oh, she's. Yeah, that would be a speech.

[Tony Kornheiser]

She's going to be great. I have this question. I referred this to Michael earlier today. In the last four or five days, there's a company that is advertising its where which is microwavable bacon. And it says, hey, hey, hold on. This stuff is good. And the indication from the visuals are that the microwavable bacon is crisp. My thought process, since I know what happens when you put something in a microwave. The microwave, when you put something in, it is. It is. It gets a little soggy. That's not. Not bad. Soggy. Not bad. Like bread gets a little soggy if you put it in or something.

[Michael Wilbon]

Well, it's how you revive stale bread. You can microwave it for a little bit, then you can toast it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. So.

[Michael Wilbon]

And steam it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So I said to Mike how you've had this.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yes. So I'm at that point where like.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Last I was breakfast for dinner, Black Label or something.

[Michael Wilbon]

There's different brands. The one that you're thinking of, if you're going to go for the microwavable bacon, you have to get the thick cut. And then there's, you know, whatever, you know, time recommendations, they have just figured on your own. But line a microwavable safe plate with a paper towel, put some bacon on it, nuke it for a minute or two, and then it'll be crisp. So the kids love the idea of and then they're fighting over it. So what are your expectations for. For bacon? Some people love the idea of waking up on a Saturday or Sunday and throw a pound of bacon in a skillet and it gets crispy. Some people like it a little bit darker than, than others. I want to see flat, even pieces of bacon. So I always put it into the oven the way they might do it if you're doing service at say chatter.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right. But wait, wait. This is. Doesn't go in the oven.

[Michael Wilbon]

This does not go in the oven. But it's going to, it's going to actually look pretty similar because these are.

[Tony Kornheiser]

But is it going to be essentially par.

[Michael Wilbon]

Cooked? Yes, they are.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's the critical thing is. Yeah.

[Michael Wilbon]

I would say for your palate, if you're trying to create your own turkey bacon club at home.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes.

[Michael Wilbon]

You're going to want to stick to the oven method. And again you want to go for a home style or a thick cut. Start it in a cold oven so it can slowly render out its fat. But that's going to keep it even. Perfect for stacking on sandwiches.

[Tony Kornheiser]

What I would do, cold oven, that's going to take about 30 minutes.

[Michael Wilbon]

Yeah, this, this is a while.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's an all day affair.

[Michael Wilbon]

It's not an all day affair.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You do this all day for me at my age.

[Michael Wilbon]

But if you do the, if you do a lot of bacon, you can keep some in the fridge, then you can take half of it or whatever you want and fold it in between parchment paper, put it in the freezer and then you can use that quickly in the skillet with some eggs or in the microwave.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I've never done this. I want to do this.

[Michael Wilbon]

But it's not, it's not like the, not to use a specific name, it's not the bacon bits from you know, the 90s where it be like a quick salad topper.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't want that.

[Luke Russert]

No, because that, that felt completely artificial.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Bacon bits like for the dogs pieces of bacon.

[Michael Wilbon]

You want it to look like real bacon?

[Tony Kornheiser]

I do.

[Luke Russert]

If you want to use the English method. We just boil bacon now.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, I don't want to do that. We made. Michael and I made, we made the Wednesday shotgun. We're excited next week.

[Luke Russert]

Yeah, I know there was some, some consternation about whether that I effort the.

[Michael Wilbon]

Ball down the field.

[Luke Russert]

Oh, that's good.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Alexandrovechkin hat trick last night. 907 goals, the most of all time. Now 10th all time in scoring. He will never get the one. No, I don't know how far he'll go up. It's probably his last year. But, you know, good for him. Good for him. A hat trick. 41, 42, whatever he is. And then one other mention that I had. The Washington Wizards stink. We've gone over this.

[Luke Russert]

We covered this.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They stink. They cheat their ticket buying public because they're not trying to win. They want to lose. They're not trying in the game to lose. The players are not. But the administration wants them to lose so that they can get a higher draft pick. All you really have to do is, you know, break down the box score. You can see how it works. I'm not going to go into this stuff, but I thought we are a city in Washington that has all four pro teams. Yes. That's hockey, basketball, football and baseball. Three of them are terrible. The baseball team was terrible this year. The football team is terrible this year. The basketball team is horrific. For the 12th straight year, all we have is the hockey and the hockey. I believe the Washington Capitals are now the last team in, in the playoffs, in the Eastern Conference, the last team in. So this is not. You're not standing on top of your car beating your chest saying, look at us. And I made some notes. Other cities that have all four teams, the LA has the Dodgers, World champions, Boston. Now, after a long run, a lot of teams have faded. But the New England Patriots are doing very well right now. New York has the Knicks. The Knicks are doing very well. And the Yankees. Minneapolis. The Timberwolves are a solid team. Philadelphia has the Phillies and the Eagles. Miami has the Florida Panthers. Oh, that's right, two time defending Stanley cup champion Denver. The Broncos are doing very well this year. The Nuggets are a contending team. Dallas is sort of like us, except the Dallas Stars are in second place in the West. In the hockey, Capitals are not in second place. They're in eighth place. Chicago now has the Bears. The Bears are a first place team. Detroit has the Lions and the Pistons and the Tigers, all of which are doing well. Like we are the worst. We're the worst city. We're the worst sports city in the country that has all four. Yeah, you know, I mean you could find a city that has two or three, but that's not the same. It's not the same. We're striking out with four teams. Again, you can say the Capitals are a playoff team, but it's marginal at the moment.

[Luke Russert]

And there's still, yeah, lots to go.

[Michael Wilbon]

And with the Caps, you're looking at, you know, work over 25 years as to what they've meant to the city. You look at those, the two wildcard teams right now, it's the Penguins and the Cavs, and you think about what they have meant.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, yes. And that would be like if you suddenly next week had an NFL game between the Bills and the Chiefs. And it would conjure up memories because this year, it ain't great. The other day, what did they have? The Cowboys. Who did the Cowboys play? The Cowboys and the raiders in the 70s, the 80s, and the 90s. That's the only matchup you would want to see.

[Luke Russert]

Yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You'd walk through fire to see that. Now, it's not, it's not the same. All right. But I'm, I'm, I'm buoyed by the notion that the microwave bacon is good and by being in the shotgun. I'm very happy to be in the shot.

[Luke Russert]

Two great things.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, I'm very happy for that.

[Jason Locke]

Now.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I just. It's supposed to rain though, you know? Yeah. I can't play in the rain. I'm too old to play in the rain and just too old. Too old. All right, we'll take a break. Who's first? Jason.

[Luke Russert]

Jason.

[Tony Kornheiser]

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But Brady Heggies Glory Days. Really nice. Really very nice. Yeah, that's really nice. Okay. And it plays in Jason Locke and fora. And we begin, as we begin every week with a recap of sorts of the Thursday night game. As far as Jason wants to go with this. What, if anything, did we learn from last night? And I actually felt we learned a couple of things from last night. But what do you think?

[Jason Locke]

Yeah, I mean, I've been writing about Bill's quasi regularly in the post, and they haven't passed my eye test for a while and haven't passed, more to the point, the eye test of some smart people who work in football in various ways. And I thought they got some breaks at home against Tampa and won a game that they very easily could have lost. But I did think they were bullied for the better part of three quarters. But they. They had enough missed tackles go their way and, you know, they. They generated some explosives which they hadn't done all year but still wasn't really buying them. Told people, hey, there's money to be made. I want to bet bang against the Bills in a bunch of different capacities last night. And that held true. They're not good on the road. The defense is bad no matter where they play, but they don't get to play with the lead as much on the road.

[Tony Kornheiser]

We had to lead last night. They were 10, three.

[Jason Locke]

I think at one point the quarterback is trying to do too much at times because there isn't a lot of big plays and a lot of fluidity from the offense outside of James Cook runs. So there's going to be turnovers inherent in how they play, and that's going to continue to amplify as the stakes go up. And especially again, when they're on the road, I think that you look at who they've played and how they've won, and it's. It's not a template that I think portends a long playoff run. And the division has been in peril for a while now, which means, you know, nothing but road playoff Games. The pass rush looked great against the Chiefs. It hasn't looked that way against anyone else. They cannot stop the run, period, point blank. They just can't. And while they have some great outside corners, you can throw the ball against them in the middle of the field all you want. And Matt Milano's various injuries this season amplify that. You know, look for the Texans, they. They've been pretty gutsy. They've strung some things together. They fought for their season, really going all the way back to the game they won at Baltimore. It's. It's not an offense that's going to set the world on fire. And I think frankly they could have probably lead into Woody Marks even more than they did last night and maybe put that game away a little more comfortably. But Davis Mills runs the offense and the defense is top notch. The. The worst defense to throw the football on two years running. Number one in interceptions, number one in completion percentage against, number one in opposer, passer rating against. And they don't give up many passing touchdowns. So look, we've talked about this. Multiple teams from that division, the AFC south, have a really viable chance to make the playoffs, which doesn't happen down there that often.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right. Indianapolis and Jacksonville as well. Yes.

[Jason Locke]

Yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. And they're doing it without their number one quarterback. So Booger McFarlane was on the PTI show yesterday and said that's the best defense in the league. He basically picked them to beat Buffalo. You basically picked them to beat Buffalo. So, yeah, that's what happens. Let me spread this out. Why are the Eagles in this soap opera every single day? And what are the. Do you have to get rid of AJ Brown? If he is the cause here, why is this happening? They win all the time.

[Jason Locke]

Yeah, I don't. Look, part of it, I think is just. It's Philadelphia and it's just things are a little different there. Yeah, I don't think, like it doesn't really. I think they kind of get off on it a little bit. I don't know. I don't think Sirianni totally hates it at the end of the day, outside of a late season collapse a couple of years ago where they did have some issues, I think on the coaching staff and they, they really needed to switch some personnel up. Not, not player wise, but in terms of their football hierarchy outside of that, it has worked for them. I don't think they, like. I don't really think Hurt stays up at night fretting over what people think about him or fretting over his Stats and what it might mean for his legacy. I just do not believe he's wired that way. And when he's not wired that way, I think it has an amazing trickle down effect. And a lot of guys pretend they're not wired that way, but when you're in the huddle, when you're in the cafeteria, when you're on the team bus, you can kind of see that it's. It's. That's a facade. I think it's really hard to ruffle this guy's feathers. And a lot of this is on the offensive side. Let's be real. You're not really hearing a lot from the defense. Not at all. Did they have a guy spit on somebody early in the year? Have they had some availability issues on the defensive side that at times you're like, what? But the defense is becoming incredibly ironclad. I think they won the trade deadline again. It's that Vic Fangio. The deeper in the season we go, the better they get things. I think Jalen Phillips is an absolute weapon for them. And they've won a lot of games and they've won a lot of playoff games. So, like, they're incredibly legitimate for me, Tony, Like, I don't know. It doesn't. All the noise and the complaining or what did AJ Mean and what did he intimate and what did he really say? I. I don't know. I. I think drama is part of their brand, and their brand's been winning. And it would not surprise me if they go back to a Super Bowl.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, you expect. I assume you expect Joe Burrow to start this week playing all the snaps.

[Jason Locke]

And I mean, it sounds. It sounds that way. I mean, with them turning around and playing again in five days, you know, if they did all this build up and then saved him for the Ravens on Thanksgiving night, I guess that wouldn't entirely shock me, but it looks like it's all systems go. Yeah, that was my sense of an interesting choice. There's a lot of football to be played and that people talk about a bad defense is. And the defense is awful. And that defense will keep them from winning games with any regularity, even with Joe Burrow. But it's also not a very good offensive line. And I don't know they're gonna have a gauntlet to get Joe Burrow to an offseason healthy, which, if you recall, has been a continual problem.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes, he gets hurt all the time. He gets hurt all. He's that guy like Jaden Daniels. They get hurt all the time. You Wrote about Patriots this week. You like the Patriots, right? You think they're real?

[Jason Locke]

I think they're pretty real. I mean, look, do I think they're going to the super bowl at the end of the day and if they get the one seed, probably not. But I don't think they're going to fall down and expose themselves here in the final six weeks. I don't think Mike Bravel is going to allow that to happen. But the quarterback is very real. I think they're starting to sort their backfield out in a more sort of cogent way. I think the defense, while it does still lack some individual brilliance, I think that's fair. It knows who it is. And Christian Gonzalez, they haven't lost the game since that young man returned from an early season injury. Yeah, I, I looked at the, I, I thought that the best team in that division for several weeks now and the results of last night, you know, probably only further that it wouldn't shock me if they swept the Bills. It really wouldn't. Because Mike Vrabel is not one of these guys who's going to worry about how they did it. He just wants to get the W. And if that means we're going to just play old school, you know, 1985 football against them and, and, and bully them and run, you know, the quarterback and run two different running backs and win that way, that's totally fine with them. So yeah, I think they're going to frankly probably kind of run away with that division because look at Buffalo schedule and look at, and look at, at New England schedule. Like Buffalo might not make the playoffs.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, this is, this is what. Yeah, this leads me to something. It's possible that Buffalo and Kansas City.

[Jason Locke]

Oh, absolutely.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Are not going to make the playoffs. You never would have had that at the beginning of the year, right? I mean.

[Jason Locke]

No, no, no, look, I put money on Kansas City a week ago to still win the division because I'm like, it's Andy Reid out of a buy and they get Denver twice and they lost. And yeah, look, the road games, I mean at Tennessee, at Dallas, that doesn't scare me. And then they found a way to lose that game and now all they do is lose one score games after 17 straight times. They won one score games. No, a world absolutely. Just where, where neither of those teams make the playoffs and both do have some, some fairly arduous tests still to come.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Do you have the Kansas City Chiefs winning this week at home against Indianapolis?

[Jason Locke]

I do. If that game was played in Indianapolis, I would not but they've scored 28 straight and four in a row at home. My home's thrown three touchdowns or more. I think three straight at home. It's, it's a more productive Reds up, far more productive red zone offense at home than on the road. It's a must win spot for them. And I think when you really drill down on the Colts, I think the defense still, I think elite quarterbacks are still going to have some joy against that defense. So I, I do like them here, but I, you know, Mahomes has never lost three straight games. I mean, if he lost this game, that would be completely uncharted charred territory for them. But like, I don't think it's out of question that the Bills or that, that the Chiefs lose a game or two that on paper they're not supposed to lose. Also, particularly on the road, I think you can blitz them with a little more abandoned than we've ever seen before with Patrick Mahomes and rattle that offensive line and, and bottle up that quarterback a little bit. They don't get any explosive plays. Like, they don't, they don't get any. He had 43 touchdown passes of 20 yards or more from 2018 until 2022. Since they've traded Tyree Kill, they've fixed. Yeah, like Will Levis and Aiden o' Connell and Justin Fields all have more passing touchdowns of 20 yards or more since 2023 than Patrick Mahomes has.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's scary. Will Levis, the mayonnaise King. Scary. I'll get you out of here on this. We had two people on the PTI show this week who spoke to this with great passion. Jeff Saturday and Steve Young about the sort of unfairness of throwing Shador Sanders in there when they didn't even know what his voice sounded like. Even understand the cadence. What do you expect of Shador Sanders this week? Got to be better, right?

[Jason Locke]

Yeah, I think he'll. I mean, look, his internal clock was one of the biggest problems in the draft evaluation and this belief that if I just hold it forever, I'll make something good happen. And it did work for him at times, but it also got him really beat up and it got that offense behind the sticks not just on third down, but on first and second down far too often. Some of the early down decision making. So, I mean, but again, Tony having tried to coach it out of them because they basically, they played him in the preseason when everybody else got hurt, he looked okay. Then they quickly went right back to Gabriel and that's been it. Clearly. I mean, I don't even think he's doing much with the scout teams, if not all these other quarterbacks. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. Like, it's not a good offense at all. It's not a good offensive line. That's not a good passing offense. It's, it's, it's an okay running offense, but, you know, it is the Raiders and that's not a great team. And so who knows? I, I think he'll be a gamer. I think he'll hang in there. I think he'll make a few plays. I think he'll take a couple sacks that he wants back. You know, I think Gino will throw a couple picks because Gino at home always throws picks.22 in his last 14 home starts.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He's got the most in the league.

[Jason Locke]

Yeah. And you know what? Maybe he wins that game. I mean, the Browns haven't won a road game. I think they lost like 13 straight road games. It would be kind of funny, maybe a little ironic, don't you think? If he's the one who snaps that streak after. He's the one who the coach just seemingly wants nothing to do with.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. All right, that's great. All right, plug one a bit. Go ahead.

[Jason Locke]

Sure. You can check us out at right around noon Eastern every day. Although today on Friday we're going to do two shows because my son has a basketball tournament in Delaware tomorrow.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay.

[Jason Locke]

Saturday show we will probably do around 11pm or midnight tonight. You know why, Tone? Because we're sports writers. So. Yeah, look, whatever sports you're interested in, there's pretty good chance that me or my buddy Beltway Ben have a gambling angle on it that we like, that we want to share with you guys to help you try to bet a little smarter and beat these books. So you can go to warnabet with us.com and get all our content, but you can just go to Spotify, Apple, Podcast, YouTube.com backslash@wantabet with us, we're pretty easy to find. And yeah, you know, we could have used a couple more rushes out of Woody Marks last night, but again, you know, Texans, Moneyline, Texas plus seven and a half and the under play around with the under Josh Allen to throw an interception and the Bills team total under. You know, we had a pretty good beat on it. It's what we do, Tom. It wasn't a three lobster night, but it wasn't bad.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, it was a one lobster night, which is good. Any lobster night is good. Thank you Jason. Talk to you next week. Jason Lock. And for our boys and girls, we will come back, we hope with James Carville and Jeff Ma. We always hedge the bet on that. I'm Tony Kornheiser.

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[Tony Kornheiser]

You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show.

[Jason Locke]

The Tony Kornheiser show.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Banjo music.

[Michael Wilbon]

Mine eyes have seen the glory of.

[Tony Kornheiser]

The coming of the Lord.

[Michael Wilbon]

He is trampling out the wind.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I know the words. Elementary school. Yes.

[Luke Russert]

You're not dead.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Terrible swift sword. This is James Carville's walk up music. This week. I don't really know why I'm going to be able to ask him. Why have you picked the Battle hymn of the Republic so that we all stand up and put our hands over our hearts.

[Jason Locke]

I have no idea. First stupid.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's funny. It's funny. It's funny.

[Jason Locke]

You know, I thought we were going to have a good week. We didn't.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, I know. And I'm trying to sort of analyze the bets that you make. You've. You've done last week you saved yourself a little bit with the pros and you lost some college games. I just, I also think that there's a tendency when you do the over under bets. I think those are mostly they. They don't win. I would tell you, stay away from over under. Do you.

[Jason Locke]

Do you see this week I don't have any.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Good. That's good. That's Good. What do you. You were 2 and 4 last week. Still. Still over 533. 31 and 2. In this week's picks with James Carville and Jeff Maher brought to you by FanDuel Sportsbook. Make every moment more. What do you got?

[Jason Locke]

Colorado. Smu. Colorado.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Arizona State.

[Jason Locke]

Arizona State. I mean, I'm sorry. Take Colorado and get seven and a half the. Minus seven and a half.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You're taking Dion. Taking Dion on this one.

[Jason Locke]

Okay, on this one. Then we got global. They're playing smu.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They're playing smu. They're getting. They're getting three. Louisville.

[Jason Locke]

Take Louisville.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay. Those are two teams that were close. Louisville was ranked at one point. SMU was close to being ranked. Yeah, that's the 8th.

[Jason Locke]

And Oregon. Southern Cal. Yeah, Oregon. I see 9 and a half.

[Luke Russert]

Yeah, 9 and a half.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay. And that's at Oregon and Southern Cal. We'll see. I mean, they're, you know, this is the only big game they've played all year. Okay.

[Luke Russert]

Did they beat Michigan? Oregon, usc?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Usc? Did they beat Michigan? I think they did. Is Michigan a big game? It sounds like Ohio State. All right, go ahead.

[Jason Locke]

Nothing like Ohio State. James Madison against Washington State.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes.

[Jeff Ma]

Later.

[Jason Locke]

Take James Madison. Later. 13 half.

[Tony Kornheiser]

James Madison is in contention for the. For the college football playoffs as one of the gang of fives.

[Jason Locke]

Yeah, Coach from that, Indiana, he's like. He's done pretty good.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Signetti did a great job. Yes. Yes. Okay.

[Jason Locke]

The Saints. The Saints. We like minus one and a half against the Falcons.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You like the Saints because the Falcons are in disarray over their quarterback. Right?

[Jason Locke]

They don't got much.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay.

[Jason Locke]

Yeah, they don't got much. And who the Chiefs playing?

[Luke Russert]

Colts.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Indianapolis at Kansas City.

[Jason Locke]

Take the chase.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Minus three.

[Jason Locke]

Correct.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay. Did you have one other. Did you have Pitt in Georgia Tech?

[Jason Locke]

Not in heaven picking a job. Who's playing Georgia Tech?

[Luke Russert]

Pittsburgh getting three at Georgia Tech. I thought you had sent me that, that you might want that one.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You don't have to.

[Jason Locke]

No, I didn't. Let's go with what I got.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, that's good. All right, let's get. Let's get one of those six and one weeks. Something like that or five and one.

[Jason Locke]

Are you looking for. Thank you, man.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Thank you. James Carville, boys and girls. James Carville is wonderful to have on. He sends us pics and so we write them down. And then sometimes he doesn't use those picks, which is okay. It's his money.

[Michael Wilbon]

I just like how surprised he sounds to hear his own picks. Read back to Him.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes, that's right. So now we're calling Jeff Ma. That's right.

[Michael Wilbon]

Okay, so at least we had no triple plays. We had no over unders first quarters.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I think he loses all the time on over under.

[Michael Wilbon]

And is it normally on one side?

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, no, it's well over. I would say he's. He's over more often and he goes over like earlier in the year he went over in a game the jets were in. You can't go over. They don't score any points. He did, he did that thing where over in the first half with one. I didn't even understand the bet and he lost it.

[Jeff Ma]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Stay away from the over under stuff, I think. Is Jeff with us?

[Luke Russert]

Jeff is with us.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Jeff, would you say as a rule, stay away from the over under bets or. You don't do many over unders, do you?

[Jeff Ma]

I mean, I don't do them on your show, but I do them in real life. They're certainly value betting over unders.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Carville loses on him all the time. I told him stop doing it. You keep losing. You keep losing. Where are you? Are you, Are you in Arizona? Are you. Did you play golf yesterday?

[Jeff Ma]

Arizona. And I'm headed to the airport and I'm taking you self driving car to the airport. So literally I'm sitting in the front seat. There's no one next to me in the driver's seat.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Wait, what? Who's driving the car? Who's driving the car?

[Jeff Ma]

Driving the car. There's literally like, I'm looking next to me and there's no one driving. I keep looking for a reaction from him, but it's a driverless car. It's called the Waymo and there's no one sitting next.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Why are you doing this?

[Jeff Ma]

I'm doing it for the content, Tony. No, I'm doing it because like you could. I don't know if you take Ubers, but like it's. Sometimes you just don't want to talk to a driver. You don't want to talk to a person. So I'm just taking the salt. The driverless car, it is actually the future. It's one of the best things to do is you just get in the car and you don't have to talk to soul.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Well, who's. Whose foot is on the gas? There's no foot.

[Jeff Ma]

It's self driving, okay? It drives itself.

[Jason Locke]

It's. It's the future.

[Jeff Ma]

It's this thing called AI. I don't know if you're familiar with it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I would never get in a Car like that, I would not. Where'd you play yesterday?

[Jeff Ma]

Played Arizona Country Club.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Is that Wilbond is one of the few clubs Wilbourne doesn't belong to. One of the few.

[Jeff Ma]

It's not in North Scottsdale. That's actually in the southern part. So it's pretty much a different state. It's like a different. It's not really Arizona or Scottsdale. It's south and it's like close to. It's in Arcadia, which is basically.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay. So that's a long way from Wilbon. All right.

[Jeff Ma]

It is a long time. I work for a company called Troon and we have our big imprint, our big company there. Our big course there is True north, which is in North Scottsdale.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't think Wilbaum belongs to that one either. I think he belongs to Desert Mount.

[Jeff Ma]

He belongs to Whisper Rock, doesn't he?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Whisper Rock, Desert Mountain and Scottsdale National. The one that's owned by pxg?

[Jeff Ma]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Bob Parsons.

[Jeff Ma]

Those are all great clubs.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay. All right. You saved yourself last week. You were three and on college and Owen two in the pros. You have an explanation for that?

[Jeff Ma]

I'm better at college because I just pick roots and dicks.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, okay. Okay. Well, that's smart then. What do you got for us this week? Let's get this in before the car bangs into something.

[Jeff Ma]

Now the cars fine again. The driver keeps looking at me disapprovingly, except for he's not even sitting there. So we're good. Okay, I have Ohio State -32 and a half over Rutgers. We actually spent a lot of time on bet the process talking about Ohio State as a national champion contender because they are by far the odds on favorite. They're less than 2 to 1 to win the national championship. But my contention is they have played nobody. And so it's hard to know if they are really that good. And at 2 to 1, that is basically saying that they'd be, you know, like, you know, seven point favorite dish in every one of their games in the playoffs and that they're going to make the playoffs. And I don't think that's true. But anyways, I'm going to take that out. Say money.

[Tony Kornheiser]

32 and a half.

[Jason Locke]

Yeah.

[Jeff Ma]

Okay, go ahead.

[Michael Wilbon]

Of course that's your contention.

[Jeff Ma]

Yeah, I'm going to take Duke -6 and a half over uncle again. I just think that this is a Rufus pick. Like Rufus, I think he's been. He's been often on UNC because he's betting against the sort of narrative hype of Belichick, this is one where he showed value.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Duke lost the other week. Duke was. Didn't they lose to Virginia and then they get beat bad by Virginia. I thought, okay, what else?

[Jeff Ma]

I'm going to take Oregon minus the 10 over USC. We've been against USC a bunch. We were against them last week, even though they pulled out a victory against Iowa. By the way, my driver just changed lanes for no reason.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, God.

[Jason Locke]

Oh, God.

[Michael Wilbon]

Be careful when it lays on the horn.

[Jeff Ma]

Yeah, yeah. And then I'm gonna take in the NFL. I'm gonna take the Bears minus two and a half over Pittsburgh.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Really?

[Jeff Ma]

There's like a bunch of these NFL teams that are just kind of overrated. Like Pittsburgh and also the Bills last night. I mean, they seem overrated.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes. Okay, Chicago, you're going to make Wilbon happy. Go ahead.

[Jeff Ma]

I'm going to take the Chiefs minus the three over the Colts. You know, I hate to say must win, all that narrative, but it is a must win. And again, this is interesting because I think the classic people would say, like, oh, the Colts have played good enough to have, you know, be a favorite in the afc. But the reality is the Chiefs are still a better team. We talked to them about the process. And Rufus, the number one team in the afc, despite their record and getting and giving three points of a pull, that I like them to win this game and win in five more.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You gonna do another game or just five?

[Jeff Ma]

That's just five.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So let me ask you a question. How do you tip the driver?

[Jeff Ma]

I'll just get out and I'll tip them through the app. There's this thing called apps on your phone, right? You can just tip them through with this sort of virtual money.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Who are you tipping? There's nobody there.

[Jeff Ma]

I mean, I'm not going to tip the virtual driver. Don't worry. That's. That's the beauty of this, too. You don't have.

[Jason Locke]

You don't have to.

[Tony Kornheiser]

But then the driver doesn't even get out to open the trunk so you can get your luggage or to open your door.

[Jeff Ma]

The funny part about this is, like, I'm with all my clubs here because we couldn't figure out how to get the back seat to fold down. So the clubs are just sitting in with me. But it's okay because there's no drivers. So we can basically have the clubs in the driver's seat.

[Tony Kornheiser]

If you put the gloves in the driver's seat and then people next to you saw a bunch of golf clubs sitting in the driver's seat. They would go insane, wouldn't they?

[Jeff Ma]

I mean, people do look at. It's kind of funny because we are basically sitting with golf clubs in the car with no driver.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Good luck, Jeff. Good luck. Good luck. Talk to you next week. Jeff Mob, boys and girls. You can hear him. Can you see him too? On BET the process. Is that a visual podcast or just an audio podcast?

[Luke Russert]

Not sure if there's a video component to it. I imagine there might be.

[Tony Kornheiser]

We don't have one.

[Luke Russert]

We're like the only show that does.

[Tony Kornheiser]

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Never miss Bethesda bagels. We love them. You will as well. Just go to Bethesda Bagels Bagel.com for the location in the DC area near Shoe. Then pop on in and you'll be thrilled. And a reminder that Bethesda bagels will be open on Thanksgiving. Of course they will open every day.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Of course they will. Before we get to the mailbag, let me just say Saturday night I was downtown working for the FBI, sitting in nest of bad men, whiskey bottles piling high bootleg and boozer on the west side full of people who are doing wrong. Just about to call up the da man when I heard this woman sing her song that's the Hollies. That's you know, after Graham Nash left. That's Long cool Woman in a Black Dress. It's great song. Really good. A great song. Thanks to our guests today, Jason Lock and Fora James Carville and Jeff Ma. Thanks as well to today's sponsors. Remember, you can listen to us on Apple Podcast, Spotify Oughtysee if you get the show through Apple, please leave us a review from our friend Peter Potke in Southington, Connecticut. So exciting to learn a big at the Hallmark Channel as a fan of the pod. Can't wait to find Easter eggs in future movies. Two strangers briefly lock eyes in the elevator as an individual instrumental rendition of the Mailbag jingle plays softly. Days later to reach for the same hunk of cheese, the soft glow of a neon Le Cheeserie sign illuminating the scene. As the romance blossoms, they stroll hand in hand through the local zoo. Who's that smoking in the background? Yes, it's Reginald. As the closing credits roll, they kiss passionately in the gazebo by the pond. Across the water we see the jealous ex boyfriend giving the happy couple of TK salutes. Great Jake from Cincinnati Listening to you talk with Lucas Russert about the Hallmark movie production in Buffalo reminded me of the time that I had a moment with Luke's dad's Tim. Luke's dad Tim Russert. Allow me to share a David Aldrich moment. From the early 2000s, I was an undergraduate at George Washington. I was catering nights and weekends to help afford school and everything associated with it. I was an underage bartender in dc. This particular night at a huge home in Georgetown, we were short staffed. It was a private party. Fine crystal glasses, high end, rented china plates or I passed hors d', oeuvres, the whole deal. I was stuck behind a small makeshift bar and instructed by the catering manager that I had to pour every drink into the fine glassware. The homeowner was adamant about this. The home was filled with D.C. elites, lobbyists, politicians, moguls, and then in walks Tim Russert. He makes a beeline for the bar. He approached the bar, asked for a can of beer of some sort. I went to pour that beer into a glass. He looked at me quizzically, told me to stop. He said to me, I'll take the can. I handed him the can, which I had wrapped in a cocktail napkin. He started drinking and immediately turned around and disappeared into the crowd of D.C. elites. A cold beer can of man lost among the throng of crystal and fine china.

[Luke Russert]

That's great.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Here's a haiku from Shad Snow falls, they meet, kiss, and the festival is saved. Deja vu again. Kenny Ray Fort Walton Beach, Florida I told my friend Matt about Luke Russert appearing in a Hallmark Christmas movie in your Kerry Russell story from the Americans. He said he rewatched a 30 for 30 show the other day about John Daly. In it was an archival clip of you talking about Daly's playoff win at the British Open in 1995. He said, it's brief, salient and moving in four sentences. It's perfect. It's why TK was one of the best sportswriters ever. He also said it reminded me how old we are. TK looked positively middle aged. Daly looked like a kid. Jim Nance looked young. He added, tim Russert was a national treasure, a giant affable, but a journalist who would get to the answer after he grilled you potentially ruining your political life. He talked football with you with a huge smile and they went to commercial. A great man. So please tell my friend Matt to eat it for being so perceptive and so damn right. Sue Heidel Cincinnati, Ohio I enjoyed hearing about Luke's experience filming a Hallmark movie. I actually know someone whose home was featured in a Hallmark movie. She had just moved to her new home in Virginia when Hallmark reached out to her and asked if she'd be willing to vacate her home for five weeks so that they could shoot some scenes on the front exterior and used her screened in porch for some interior scene. She willingly obliged. She was given a suite at a local hotel and a chunk of change for inconvenience. Her front yard was covered in fake snow that it's always fake snow, which was some sort of synthetic gummy substance that lasted for about six weeks. They redid her landscaping, repainted her porch and left behind all the brand new porch furniture used in the filming. They also left behind a whole house generator which they used to power their lights and cameras and what she now uses during hurricane season, season and power outages. Overall, it's very positive experience for her. Alas, no gazebo in sight. Steve the Sicker Fan, you're fascinating. All these from Luke about Luke. There's a lot about your fascinating excursion with Luke into Hallmark Channel land encouraged me to check what's on the docket around Thanksgiving Gingerbread Miracle looks good, featuring a Mexican bakery that's famous for magical gingerbread cookies. Then there's you, me and the Christmas Tree with an arborist falling in love with a farmer as she tries to save his trees before the Christmas tree lighting. The tree lighting, but I think the best will be Mistletoe Murders. Twas the Fight Before Christmas as an upscale restaurateur gets murdered and Emily finds herself harboring an unlikely fugitive as she tries to clear their names. Enjoy all with your lovely wife. Happy turkey. Todd Derry in Cleveland, Ohio of all the things I love about the show, it's a connective tissue that's always at the top of the list after years of listening. Had my first David Aldridge moment during Wednesday's show when Luke Rushard was talking about his cameo in the new Bill Swallmark movie. He mentioned the lead and in said movie was a very handsome guy named Matt Daddario. I had to rewind and do a double take to make sure I heard that correctly. I said to myself, I know that guy. He's my neighbor. The only reason I know this is because when he moved in, the big talk amongst the women on our street was about this really cute new guy who moved in and said he was an actor. Also, turns out his sister is the very famous actress from True Detective Season 1 and the White Lotus Alexandria Alexandra Daddario. Oh, let's just say that's one good looking family. Please tell Gary Peyser to eat it. Ken Scudder, Takoma Park, Maryland I was hoping you could ask your buddy Luke Russert to pass this along to his buddies at Hallmark. My pitch for a Jets holiday love Story movie Don't jump. It's Christmas. It tells a romantic tale of two jets fans who, after watching their beloved gangrene drop a heartbreaker to the Patriots 42 to 7, meet and fall in love on the observation deck of the Empire State Building. They both belay their plans to leap off the building and splatter themselves on his 41st street and instead drink cocoa and cider at a holiday fair in East Hempstead. The movie ends with the two of them holding hands in a gazebo and say osa watching the first round of the draft on their phones, then screaming in disgust as the jets pass on three quality quarterbacks to take another defensive tackle. The film could be shot in MetLife Stadium in January, as in the jets or Giants will be using it that month. Totally brilliant. Sue Meyer, Ponte Vedra beach in Florida I cannot wait to hear your commentary on the following breaking news in college football clearly usurping any media space dedicated to Lane Kiffin's future, the annual college football Postseason games official name is changing to the Bush's Boca Raton bowl of Beans becoming the first bowl game to have its official name end in a word other than bowl. Wow, that's something in it. Bowl of Beans. The the Bush people are on TV a lot again. Yes. The guy and the dog. The guy. Yeah, yeah. Dorian Johnson, Cyber as soon as Luke gave the title Holiday Touchdown, I was off to DVR to do the unthinkable record a Hallmark movie 00 intention of actually watching it. For the story. I will scan to the movie just to get the Zebo, stop at Luke's scene and delete it when I'm done. That's it. That's the list. John Erickson, San Diego Luke is correct. The Bills movie will be better than the Chiefs movie as it is being released in November. If it was a January release, I'd have to go with the Chiefs movie. Ray Williams, you talked about needing a spit bucket for multiple takes while filming if eating is involved. For a 1996 McDonald's commercial, Hakeem Olajuwon needed to dunk a McNugget. It took over 100 takes and five hours to get it right, and the director asked if Hakeem wanted a non food substitute so he wasn't eating McNugget every time. Akeem replied, no, man, I like these things. Let's keep doing it. Tell Mike Williams to eat it. From Josh Nance Josh Nance in Greensboro, North Carolina after learning from Wednesday's Pod that a Bearcat is a binturong, I decided to write a children's book. It involves Sean Doolittle adopting a bearcat. The title, as you probably already guessed, is the beltway. Mitterran's Binturong kind of has a Dr. Seuss feel, don't you think? Totally brilliant. Steve Forest Hills in Queens Steve from Forest Hills currently in Tokyo for vacation Visiting my wife's family Due to the intricacies of time zones, I'm thoroughly enjoying listening to yesterday's podcast. Tomorrow, I have no real reason to write an email, except in the hopes that maybe there are some Littles here in Japan who would like to have an impromptu summer of Littles in the winter. Though I'm not really sure how we could communicate short of turning the show into my own personal answering service. That being said, I will gladly accept an invitation to the embassy for Thanksgiving dinner if any Littles listen and they're handing passes out sayonara from the land of the rising Sun. Oh, can you pass along a message to Nick that he can eat it? Yeah. Okay. Brian from Matsuyama When Iceland made the World cup, you were ecstatic about a country with such a small population making it. Well, an even smaller country has made it. Curacao is in. They have a population of 150,000, which is the same as Boise, Ohio. Boise, Idaho. Can you imagine if Boise made it in? I think that's great for Curacao. That is fantastic. No, I think that's great. Now, that was a Dutch colony for a long time, and I wonder if they have people from Holland, you know, come over and play for the team, which I guess you can do, because on our team, we have people who are born and raised in Europe and actually don't even speak English. I think some of them. I think it's possible. Aaron Hogan Hawley, Minnesota. Should the Wizards be relegated? They should just be abandoned just outside of the road. Get out of here. And from Barry Taylor in Louisville, Kentucky, the one phrase that will never be used to describe Wilbond, he is a muffin of scrumptious delight. If you're out on your bike tight everyone is always do wear white.

[Jeff Ma]

Come on, now.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Cool, everybody. Just cool out, will you? Cool out, everybody.

[Brady Heggie]

The glory days are gone we never saw them we were born the golden age was far behind Though the world spins backwards and on some days not at all I don't mind it all that much from by your side. It's hard to face a future bleak as this spring when you're alone you can't forget how to forgive.

[Jeff Ma]

But in.

[Brady Heggie]

This moment I feel loved and know I'd love to give in A future in which I would love to live.

[Jason Locke]

Sam.

[Brady Heggie]

When I've lost my way with words you have your way with eyes I don't mind it all that much from by your side. I recall like yesterday a time when I was so afraid to air myself out in the light of day.

[Luke Russert]

With.

[Brady Heggie]

A break of dawn I see a billion golden waves Bringing light and life and love and glory days.

[Jason Locke]

Sam.