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Tony Kornheiser
Hey, it's Tony. On today's show, we will talk about the British Open and the World cup with Michael Wilbonne. We'll talk some more about Spain's win over Argentina with Taylor Swellman. But first, commerce.
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Michael Wilbon
You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser Show.
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Tony Kornheiser
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Taylor Twellman
I mean, I can't believe it. I've never heard in my life that
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Michael Wilbon
anybody had a bad relationship with Daniel Snyder.
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Taylor Twellman
That's remarkable.
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Tony Kornheiser
The Tony Kornheiser show is on now. Okay, so let's do the Nats update. To begin with, the Nats played the Athletics. The Athletics used to be in Oakland. Yeah, try explaining to my kids a cavernous ballpark. They decided they were going to move to Las Vegas when a new stadium was built and Oakland said, get out of here. And so they're playing most of their games in a minor league stadium in Sacramento and they are playing some of their games in a minor league stadium in Las Vegas because they are a decidedly minor league team at this point. This is the Place in Las Vegas is essentially a launching pad for home runs. It's, you know, it's thin air and it's 400 degrees. And if you recall, all of the highest scoring games in the baseball this year have been in this particular bandbox of a stadium. So in the first game, The Nats won 100 to 2. You know, they, they had, I have 23 runs, something insane on Friday, had
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Nigel
what, eight RBI himself.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, yeah. Shiputzfa. Get off.
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Nigel
Get off. We don't have to.
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Tony Kornheiser
Shiputzfa. All right. In the second game, they lost 100 to 2.
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Nigel
Yeah, they almost got no hit.
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Tony Kornheiser
The same thing happened the other way around. And in their decisive game yesterday, the nats once again one of series on the road. And they built a 5:1 lead going into the eighth. I watched, actually, it was earlier than that because I watched the inning where Abrams and Dylan Cruz went back to back with home runs. Neither of which, it seemed to me, actually were home runs. It seemed to me that both of them hit the wall. Hit the wall.
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Taylor Twellman
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
And yet they were given home runs because I guess in that ballpark, anything that's hit hard, they just say it's a home run. Even a single, it's a, it's a home run. Yeah, it's a home run. They took a 51 lead into the eighth and Rule I stopped watching because I'm afraid of the bullpen. Michael, what happened? They held on, right? They held on.
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Nigel
Yeah. No, I, I, at this point, I was switched over to a different sport on one of the biggest sports day to the point where your TV looks at you go, are you sure you're still watching all this? But yes, the bullpen still head on. And the bigger story is they had to bring up the catcher for the series. And he got his first home run, I think in game.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, yeah. Because Millis heard his broke a finger or something like that, which apparently has
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Nigel
been bugging him, I think all season.
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Tony Kornheiser
Well, Harry Ford could stay in that spot for the rest of time if he hits. He could. I mean, you know, he has to hit. So we'll see. So we'll do, we'll do without that. There is, you know, Wilbon will be on and so we will talk to Wilbourn about the British Open and talk to Michael about the British Open as well. Get to that in a second. Taylor Swellman will be on, so we'll talk to him about the World Cup. Talk to Wilbourne about the World cup as well. I am anticipating Wilbond saying it's the Greatest thing he ever saw in his life. And while the rest of us say, wait a second, it was 25 shots on goal to 0 to 0.
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Nigel
What do you think of the halftime show?
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Tony Kornheiser
Oh, I bagged that. I didn't watch that. Was it any good?
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Nigel
You're not a believer.
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Tony Kornheiser
Justin Bieber and Madonna.
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Caleb Mitchell
Madonna.
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Nigel
And was one more.
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Tony Kornheiser
Isn't Madonna Meyer.
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Nigel
Shakira was up there.
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Caleb Mitchell
That's right.
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Tony Kornheiser
Is there any two names? Any. Or is it everybody who's on.
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Nigel
Our kids were disappointed because they've been into the. The World cup song DNA that has Bocelli on it. But no, they didn't get that one.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay, well, was it a long halftime?
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Nigel
I mean, it's like longer than a hydration break.
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Dan Byrne
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay. Anyway, so let me get. Jan and Dean are not playing it then. So let me get to what I did for much of the weekend, which was play in the Rehoboth beach member guest, Al Serafino and I. Yeah, the fifth major. Al Serafino and I did not play well. We did not play as well as we are capable of playing. Neither of us did, but we played okay. We did not finish last. We were in the final flight, which is reserved for the worst players. We are deservedly in it, and we finished next to last. So how many teams going for us? You know, not the worst. So at least we got that. There are six teams in each flight. There were 14 or 15 flights. You play nine whole matches against each team. We won two, we lost three. But our margin of losing was greater than our margin of winning. And it's a total point situation. So, you know, we ended up with like 23 points or 22 points. And we beat. We beat a team, the team to finish last. We had beaten them head to head, so there was a certain justice in that. But the winners. At the end of the competition, all the people who have won their flights get in a shootout. Teams are eliminated. The shootout is held on the 19th hole, which is right by the bay. Which is right. You know, it's the great view. The great beautiful view for weddings. A short par three, dramatic green, short par three, with sometimes wind. Sometimes that is a literally a three to four club win. But that did not happen. It was benign. The wind was benign.
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Nigel
So now play winners. Do they. They put you at a different tee box depending on your handicap?
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Tony Kornheiser
Yes, yes. So it gets down to the finals and the defending champions from last year, the Sorkin, including Ed Sorkin.
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Taylor Twellman
Nick.
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Tony Kornheiser
Nick Sorkin.
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Taylor Twellman
Aaron.
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Nigel
Aaron.
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Tony Kornheiser
No, not Aaron Sorkin, but do a Walk and talk.
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Taylor Twellman
There's.
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Tony Kornheiser
Nick's a great player. Nick was a professional hockey player. And he's like a plus three. Here's what Nick shot in his nine holes on Saturday. 29.
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Nigel
Hey. Pulled a Cam Young.
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Tony Kornheiser
I like that. 29. Okay, so they were the favorites. They were the favorites. The Sorkins. They were up against my dear friend Jimmy Crilley, who you've heard me say is the best person on earth. I love Jimmy Crilley. Jimmy Crilley and Dave Ward. We had dinner at their house the night before with. Dinner at their house.
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Nigel
Mr. Crilly taught my son how to shake hands after a round of golf.
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Tony Kornheiser
So, you know. And Jimmy learned everything from his dad, Dr. Francis Xavier Crilley, a dramatically famous eye surgeon who was a great golfer, too, who always said, never make a putt. You don't have to. So, you know. And Jimmy is maybe a little bit better than I am. Not much. I mean, we play together all the time. Jimmy in five, four or five successive tee shots. Michael got the ball on the green at the par three, and ultimately, Jimmy and Dave Ward won. And I could not have been happier for them. I was. I never expected it. I was thrilled by it. And Jimmy performed fab, as did Dave. They both performed fabulously. Well, you know, the. We're talking about. Dave's probably a. I don't know, 12 or 13. Am I. I think Jimmy's probably 17 or 18. Something in there.
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Nigel
And they could go to the gym for this.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. They won all of this. You know, you win some money and you. And you get the trophies. Yeah. And you get introduced at the dinner. I mean, it's just wonderful. And Jimmy made a lovely speech because he's come to the member guests with me a couple of times and with Dave a couple.
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Nigel
He's gonna have to start paying dues.
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Michael Wilbon
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
How much he loves going there.
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Michael Wilbon
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
He's a ringer now. He's a ringer. Let's talk about the British Open. I can talk about the World cup because we don't know anything about the World Cup. Let's spend a few minutes on the British Open. Michael is the second of the four winners of the British Open. Three come from outside the United States. Two of them were relatively unknown. Aaron Rye at the PGA and Ryan Fox yesterday at the British Open with a birdie on 18 that had yielded 27 birdies all. All week. That's.
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Taylor Twellman
There's.
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Nigel
There was four birdies on 18 before he got to 18. He birdied four of his last six holes, sort of a weird end, a satisfying end based on the winner, but a weird end to a major championship series and season that just sort of felt like it sizzled out. After Rory's defense of the Masters, you look at the winner who was the lowest ranked player according to the official world golf rankings since Darren Clark won 15 years ago. He was, he was at 56, shot a 62 on Saturday, 68 on Sunday. So that ties the lowest final 36 hole stretch that you've seen at the Open. But, you know, I think my biggest takeaway is that you, you have these rules issues that sort of have overshadowed. Obviously you have Bryson, who takes the two shot penalty and apparently was trying to get the President to intervene on his behalf of really from Friday. Then you had Scotty Shepard, who gets
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Tony Kornheiser
not to get the red card, a
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Nigel
great free drop on the 17th hole, which is according to the letter of the law, the rule. It is, you know, it is justified. It just happens to be. He doesn't even want to look for the ball. He goes left 17 over a tented area into a temporary immovable obstruction area. He's entitled to free relief by not finding the ball. He's able to take it at the entry point, which gives him a great angle and a great wedge shot.
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Tony Kornheiser
And so Chambeau found the ball and they penalized him.
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Nigel
And it's one of those, you know, you see, does the ball move? They say he's too careless as he's approaching the ball. They are probably correct. I think this is an extension of what you saw happen at the US Open where Windham Clark was padding the area behind the ball down to get a look or a better approach with his wedge into some of those shots. Obviously the RNA did not govern the US Open, but I think this was basically a reminder to the golfers we've gone a little bit too cavalier here. Obviously we've seen something similar where players are now marking down supposed ball marks, pitch marks, imperfections on the greens. Again, this is within the rules of the game, but you look at them mark a four footer and they're basically running their putter along their entire line to the hole. It's interesting to see which players have come to Bryson's defense, which players have not.
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Tony Kornheiser
Obviously Scotty Scheffler has, Rory has not.
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Nigel
Yes, there's a lot of players past major champions who've gone to social media to sort of defend this by saying we don't actually have the angle of his play. So it's hard to know. And you're assuming a lot about the angle of attack and entry. But to go back to the winner here, a surprising winner based on what you saw, you wondered if Cam Young could hold on to win. He posted a score two and a half hours before.
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Tony Kornheiser
He played great.
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Nigel
Yeah, you saw what happens at a British Open or the Open Championship. The wind came up and it got a lot harder as he got to the final stretch. I think Rory made a comment that the, the changes to Burkdale made it play less like a lynx course where you saw some of these severe run ups where you couldn't actually approach the greens from the ground. And maybe that affected the player's ability to score in some of those par fives. But again, going back to the winner, I am so impressed by his ability to stay in the moment. He got a terrible break twice in those last couple holes. On the 15th, I think the hardest par three in the course. He hit it into a bunker and had to play backwards rather than, you know, making a big complaint about it. He just turned around, hit the ball and made a bogey. On 17, he also had. He got a bad break off the tee, still set up a good look at birdie, did not make it. And then on 18, he sort of gets iced out as the group ahead of him has taken a little bit of a while to play. He plays fast. I think he played his final winning putt in about two and a half seconds, which is a great lesson for all of us. But again, just sort of feels like a bit of a. Bit of a hollow end to the major championship season.
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Tony Kornheiser
He won the tournament, but I don't think he could have won it if Sam Burns and Siwoo Kim didn't gag on Sunday. Am I right on that? I mean, this is, this is. Sam Burns walked in there with 62, 65, the lowest back to back scores in British Open history, and got off
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Nigel
to a solid start.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, but then he. And then what did he do? He had like two or three bogeys on the front.
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Taylor Twellman
Yeah, right.
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Nigel
It was the middle six that seemed to get him. And then you get back to a player who is known for his putting. He had putts late in the round to try, try and get to that. And again, these are greens that aren't super fast. There's not a ton of break. These are makeable putts. He did not make them.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay, so we've done all of that.
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Nigel
This is a plug for Open championship radio. And they do other events.
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Tony Kornheiser
Oh, yeah, you listened on radio Chance.
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Nigel
It was. I was Texting Ron flatter about this. It was hard to follow the golf ball because the golf course was so burned out. And even the camera was 30, 40 yards behind because it was take. The balls were taking these massive hops. So Open Championship radio is such a charming experience. I would go for these, you know, walks and just listen to them. They end up reading emails from listeners. There was one from Rehoboth. Yeah.
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Michael Wilbon
Really?
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Nigel
Yes. There's an email.
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Tony Kornheiser
Didn't talk about Geo's Pizza.
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Nigel
It was talking about the. It was talking about the. The wildfire smoke that was coming through. They had to stay inside. This was before you got that tornado warning.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, we had. Well, no, we didn't have a warning. We had a watch.
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Michael Wilbon
Watch.
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Nigel
Okay.
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Tony Kornheiser
A warning is different.
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Taylor Twellman
A warning.
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Tony Kornheiser
You're diving under the chairs. But no, we had a watch. All right, so we'll take a break. Michael Wilbon will join us when we return. I'm Tony Kornheiser. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser Show.
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Michael Wilbon
The Tony Kornheiser Show.
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Nigel
The other night, I was browsing the vistaprint website. Normally I wait till there's about two outs, two strikes in the Nats game just to be sure. Just thinking about little ways to make our podcast feel even more organized and professional. I completely lost track of time because there's so many options. We use vistaprint, order our show's custom notepads. We really do. And what's great is that I have orders from eight, nine years ago that are still saved. So it's as easy as going and logging into my account and they're ready to send out again. So I know Nigel uses some of the notepads, the spiral notepads, which is great. And I use some of the. The notepads that have our logo sort of in a shadow in the background. We actually send those out every year. Handwritten notes to our. To our winners from the March Madness tournament bracket.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's lovely.
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Nigel
I realized how useful it would be to have show branded notepads for episode prep. Just like Nigel. Interview questions, Tony just use as a legal pad. But we're working to get them into our own show branded one production notes and all those ideas that pop into your head right before you hit record. Instead of scribbling notes on random pieces of paper, everything stays in one place and it looks great, too. And you know what? They have recommendations. So once you're part of their system and your logo's in there, they will say, hey, would you like a deck of cards? And you know what you're sitting there considering.
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Tony Kornheiser
Michael just passed the read to me. This is like a relay in the Olympics.
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Nigel
Don't drop the it's like the 2
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Tony Kornheiser
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Michael Wilbon
Wherever you.
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Taylor Twellman
Wherever you want to start.
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Tony Kornheiser
Let's start with the British Open. Let's start with the British Open. And the question, the question that happens in a lot of golf tournaments, was it won or was it lost?
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Taylor Twellman
Oh, I think it was one. I think when you play as well down the stretch and drain a putt on 18 to win the golf tournament, you win the golf tournament was obviously conditions were difficult. It wasn't U.S. open difficult. But when to the golf course itself were. And I think there's some elements about the course I don't find attractive in terms of people hitting balls on in the middle of fairways, they roll off into bunkers. I don't always. I don't. I don't like that. And, and so for me, that's a, you know, negative. Has nothing to do with the players. Nothing whatsoever. I just don't want to see that. I don't think that benefits anybody. Is not entertaining. It's not instructive, doesn't help identify the best players at that. That weekend. So, you know, I thought, I thought, I thought he won it. You know, there were so many performances. I mean, look, the golf course was so flawed to yield 362s in three days. Three days out of the four, somebody shot at 62. I am. Yeah. For me, you know, I'm a member of a club in suburban Chicago where that was used as a reason to not go back to easy. It was too easy, really. Nobody shot 62 not. And three people did not shoot 62 there. So I. That to me was a negative.
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Tony Kornheiser
Who did you think of going into the tournament on Sunday if you had to say, my choice to win. This is X. Who is X?
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Taylor Twellman
Oh, I had no choice. I didn't. I didn't have a choice. I didn't think that I did. Was it. I have, I have favorites of people that I'm looking for real rooting for. And so that. That's always the case. That's the case no matter what. You know, I know most people because he was in within shouting distance where they said, scotty Scheffler, he'll wind up making the shots he nearly did to win the tournament, but he didn't. And so, you know, he would have been Most people's trial.
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Tony Kornheiser
Would you have thought, and I'm asking it specifically about Sam Burns. Would you have thought Sam Burns was ready to win and indeed would win?
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Taylor Twellman
Not necessarily would win. We've seen Sam Burns not win. Yes, Burns get really close. Sam Burns is one of those people that, you know, I have a little familiarity with and I would. That would have been great had Sam Burns one. But so ready to win. Sure. But so was Tommy Fleetwood. He didn't win either. So I think there's. There's always a group of guys that people will say, you know, shawfully used to headline that group. Here's a group of guys that, you know, have the talent to win but haven't won yet. And so that to me is exactly where he is, Tony. And like I said, and Tommy Fleetwood as well, that root for Tommy Fleetwood was flat out unashamedly root for him. And so I was rooting for him, you know, yesterday as well.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, I thought, I thought Sam Burns choked and I thought he choked early
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Taylor Twellman
and he was like three bogeys.
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Tony Kornheiser
And so, I mean, you know, bounce back too.
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Taylor Twellman
He also.
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Tony Kornheiser
But he never, he never got the lead like Siwu Kim got the lead. Ryan Fox got, you know, he never got the lead. And I looked at it and I said, well, I've seen this before with him. Yeah, that, that Sunday moment. And he finishes well and he finishes close. But he doesn't win.
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Taylor Twellman
Not yet.
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Tony Kornheiser
He's had real opportunity to win in major.
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Taylor Twellman
He has, he has. And we'll have more. I mean, so many, so many people we talk about who haven't won yet. It means. Yet. And they often do. Not everybody. Colin Montgomery never won.
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Tony Kornheiser
No, never one.
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Taylor Twellman
But they're, you know, most, most, most guys in that group in that category, if you will. As you know, Tony, they knock one off. And so Sam Burns is likable to me and it's easy for me to root for him. And like I said, Fleetwood is even easier for me.
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Tony Kornheiser
I liked Ryan Fox because he plays fast.
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Taylor Twellman
Yeah, he's ready to go. Yeah, yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Enjoyed. I enjoyed everything about what he did, though. I will tell you, I thought Cameron Young put so much pressure on everybody. I thought there would be a playoff. I never expected Ryan fox to birdie 18, 27 birdies all week.
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Michael Wilbon
All week.
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Tony Kornheiser
150 guys.
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Taylor Twellman
And I was ready, ready for a playoff. And I was thinking, oh yeah, how's this gonna go? Because the British Open does three. Three week whole aggregate coming. They're gonna bump right up against the World Cup.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's Right.
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Taylor Twellman
And. And no. And we're talking about. We're talking about an event being played in England. With this tournament. No one will pay attention for two seconds, you know, relative to the World cup in England.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's right. Especially if England were in the finals.
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Taylor Twellman
They're not.
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Tony Kornheiser
But they scored six goals against France the day before. So let's talk about the World Cup.
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Taylor Twellman
Your.
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Tony Kornheiser
Your impression of the final game. And if you were still a sports writer, what would you write in terms of the competitiveness, the quality, and the entire, you know, the good or bad on the final game?
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Taylor Twellman
The final game was thrilling. I found it, like so many other games, thrilling. And I. A lot of the games, I watched and I watched. I watched as many games as anybody, and I developed favorites. Favorite players, favorite teams, favorite goal keepers. I developed that. Least favorites. I. I learned early on, and it was solidified over the last three games to hate Argentina. Hate them. Hate, hate, hate, hate them. Root against them, and probably will now spend the rest of my soccer time rooting against him. Not against Messi. Greatness is even. I mean, you know, look, there are people who are seniors in sports the last 10 years, and we talk about them all the time. There's Tom Brady, who won a Super bowl at 40. Whatever he was, LeBron still plays great. He hadn't won anything in, whatever it is, six years, but. But LeBron still goes out there, and he's among the best players.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yep.
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Taylor Twellman
Messi seems to still be. Maybe he's not as good as Jude Bellingham right now. Maybe he's so. Maybe he's not the best player in the world right now, but he still can carry a team, which is. Which is amazing. Some of the passes, the assist passes, the one that won't. The previous game where he just drops a ball out of a corner on somebody's temple. It's insane. It's insane. And so that is just. It's wondrous. Like, I can watch. I'm very curious about the MLS going forward and whether the MLS has the ambition or the TV money or the TV audience to go get people who just played in the United States and say, let's pay him a lot of money and bring him here. I don't know. I don't know enough about the finances. But Argentina, which is like the Bad Boy Pistons, they're brilliant and brutal and bullying.
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Tony Kornheiser
So, yeah, let me ask you about that.
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Michael Wilbon
Sluggish.
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Tony Kornheiser
That is the exact word that I came up with. They are trying to physically beat you down and to complain about yellow cards. You Lucky you didn't get 10 more of them.
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Taylor Twellman
They should have gotten 10 more of them. And this went on all week. Yeah. And there was the complaining about it from one of the countries. I forget that they came back to be late. And Tony, the most thuggish thing they do is when they stand around a player on the ground and want to dare his teammates to push you away. In hockey, this would cause for a stick swinging at hand situation. Yes, yes, justifiably so. And they crowd the referee. They crowd the referee like sharks. And you're like, really? They can get away with that. And so, you know, as somebody who doesn't watch all the time, but I've watched an increasing amount and I know the reputation and, you know, there are other tournaments where they probably don't do that and can't do that, but to see that done in World cup, it's like, wow. And other teams have this choice. We can get involved in the back and forth of this, or we can try to ignore it and play through it, which, you know, England did that largely and still their coach made this tactical error, which, you know, how can he not be fired? How can he have a job today? And I think he will be. But. But I just. I found the whole thing riveting. Riveting. All of it, really.
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Tony Kornheiser
I mean, I certainly did not. I watched it, but I kept sitting there saying, God, the Argentinian goalie is fabulous and the Argentinean offense is awful.
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Taylor Twellman
Well, I didn't think the offense was awful. I think. I think that Argentina did not look like the best team often through the tournament. They did in stretches where they had to come back from these. These.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. Latent games. Latent games. That's what you hold out for.
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Taylor Twellman
I mean, they did it. But coming into the tournament, the teams that were, I believe that were ranked in order were Spain, one, France two, Argentina three, England four. I think that. I think that was the order. Well, it played to that. And Spain was better. You know, Spain was better. I thought France had the. To the. To the naive eye, and that's what my is. It looked like France had the better players, had the better roster of players in terms of just obvious talent that you don't have to watch soccer 50 weeks a year to say, okay, those guys looked like they had the better side. So it was, again, it was thrilling to me, all of it, riveting. I learned a lot. I will learn more. I will try to. I will. I will. I will plan to dismiss the pregame NFL junk and the college NFL junk Every Saturday and Sunday to watch soccer. All the top leagues and all those same people will not go back to their marriages and they will play with each other against somebody else.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's right. Let me get to something.
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Taylor Twellman
I'm going to do that this fall. I'm going to start that August 20th. Instead of, you know, five wide at a desk where I'm watching, you know, the same NFL stuff, I come in for games.
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Tony Kornheiser
I don't watch the pre games, but I come in for. I'm not going to watch soccer. I mean, I'm done with soccer and it's fine. That's everybody's choice. But what you said before about the MLS, you and I are old. We have seen every 10 to 20 years another little boomlet and another prediction that we're going to be great and it's going to be this and everybody's going. Well, it never happens. Do you think it will happen this time? Because I would bet against it.
- [29:43]
Taylor Twellman
Well, those are different things. Those are different things. I'm not looking for that. I'm not assessing. We're going to be great. I don't know. I'm assessing whether or not there's a franchise who is rich enough. And there are in Los Angeles and New York and in Miami that instead of saying, I'm going to get this 38 year old who says, okay, I've
- [30:01]
Tony Kornheiser
had enough, get a 26 year old, he's great.
- [30:04]
Taylor Twellman
Can I get Bellingham? Can I get Jude Bellingham? Can I get Jude Bellingham? Do I have a fan base that cares enough? Is there is the makeup of this place and this fan base, Is it going to care about this guy to hang on every single word and step he takes?
- [30:24]
Tony Kornheiser
Well, they do that with Messi and Miami. They do.
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Taylor Twellman
That's the point. That's the point. So, yes, there are two teams in LA that have money. And so I don't know. But. But I was asking somebody about this who deals in the world of television, who said this is about television contracts and does the MLS have the ambition to open up, to go in either do this? That's because that's the only way. Instead of having people like me and I'm going to do this turn on NBC or Peacock on Sunday morning before the NFL. Will I turn on mls? If they had, you know, players we
- [31:04]
Michael Wilbon
watched for the last month?
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
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Taylor Twellman
I mean that means every team has got to have a couple of them. Can. Can they afford that? Are they ambitious enough to do that? Will the players in their primes walk out on Madrid And Barcelona and Bayern and Chelsea, will they walk out on them to come to the United States in their twenties and play now?
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Tony Kornheiser
It's interesting. It is. That's interesting. All right, I'll talk later. We'll be on the show.
- [31:37]
Taylor Twellman
All right.
- [31:37]
Tony Kornheiser
All right. Thank Michael Wilbon, boys and girls. We'll take a break. Taylor Twillman will join us when we return to talk about soccer more quickly and probably in a smarter way than I do. I'm Tony Kornheiser. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser Show. Whether you're on the go or at the ballpark, T mobile is built to keep you connected wherever the game takes you. With America's best network, you know your phone is going to work even in a crowded stadium. For instance, if you lose track of your friends after a long seventh inning stretch, one quick message and a shared location later, you'll find each other without missing the next pitch. And you can upload the video of the game winning hit and share it before you even leave your seat. And on the days you can't make it to the ballpark, streaming the game on the go feels just as electric. No buffering, no interruptions, just every moment as it happens. Find out how baseball hits different with T mobile@t mobile.com MLB fastest based on analysis by OOKLA of speed test intelligence data of national speed score Results for the second half of 2025. Best based on analysis by OOKLA of the speed test intelligence Data for the second half of 2025. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show.
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Dan Byrne
Our podcast is a good one, but it's gonna need some tapering. To pay all these guys puts us in the second apron to pay Tony and Michael and Nigel. Unsustainable story. We need to unload one of them over to Pablo Torre. Soliza from now on will stick to politics and courts. We've moved Reginald the monkey Old over to Barstool Sports. Together, Tony, Michael and Nigel are a podcasting dream. And yet we can't keep all them under the collective bargaining agreement. It's possible that Tony is the one who has to go. Maybe we'll grab Lebatar for the Tony Kornheiser show.
- [33:56]
Tony Kornheiser
That is the brilliant Dan Byrne with his take on second apron, which is decidedly different than Adam Silver's take on second apron. And we go from him to Taylor Twellman. And in terms of full disclosure, we are talking now on Monday morning. But we taped Taylor last night. Here is Taylor Twelman.
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Taylor Twellman
All right.
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Tony Kornheiser
We got Taylor Twelveman on the show. I promised him a hard 10 minutes and nothing more than 10 minutes. And the truth is we have taped this on Sunday evening after the World cup final between Spain and Argentina. Let me get right to it.
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Caleb Mitchell
A.
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Tony Kornheiser
Are you surprised by the result?
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Michael Wilbon
No, not at all. Best team in the World Cup, Tony, was Spain. And I think, you know, when the tournament started, you, me, Michael and others, you know, I reiterated that I always felt that it was France and Spain 1A, 1B. Now with the way the tournament went and stars captivating the audience and delivering, a lot of people forgot about Spain because they're the first team in the history of the World cup to have to have seven shutouts. They're the first team in the World cup to ever give up only one goal.
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Taylor Twellman
They were the best team and I
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Michael Wilbon
don't think there's any denying that. The graphic, Tony, that really epitomized the game and the tournament was in the 112th minutes. Spain had 20 shots to Argentina's zero. They're the best team in the world, hands down.
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Tony Kornheiser
This is exactly what I wanted to say to you because it's your sport, not mine. Argentina had no shots on goal. Argentina's goalie was the MVP 10,000 times. They had no shots on goal. What are we supposed to make of that?
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Michael Wilbon
Yeah, I think they over exuberated their energy against England. I think this is the way they were. I mean, you and I both, both saw all of the stats of. What was it, the last 10 goals, nine after the 80th minute. So Tony, they were tired. They look tired. But here's the thing about Spain. Spain made France look ordinary. They made Messi obsolete. There's very few teams in the world that can do that to anybody. Usually there's a kryptonite to Spain. The kryptonite to this Spanish team is themselves. And we almost saw it, Tony. We almost saw them go to penalty kicks because they couldn't score a goal. Yes, but the way they defend, the way they press, the way they keep the ball. You're on life support the moment the game kicks off. When you're playing against Spain, it's just the fact.
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Tony Kornheiser
Did you like it?
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Michael Wilbon
No. No.
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Tony Kornheiser
You did not like the game?
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Taylor Twellman
No.
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Michael Wilbon
Let me say this, listen. I respect the heck out of the way Spain plays. There's a conviction to who they are. There's a belief in that whatever they're doing is the right way and they will go down swinging being their way. They're very stubborn on that. I love that about them, Tony, it makes me jealous of them because I wish the United States had some of that. But Tony, it's not the exciting free flowing game that I love to watch. Whether it's the French, the English, Argentina, Brazil, whatever it may be, there's just a methodical way to where they kill you and what was it, 16 years ago, 2010 World Cup Final? I just started to get into media and I said it's not a death by a thousand cuts. Spain is a death by a thousand passes. They pass you to death, they just wear you down. It's not the most exciting, it's not my cup of tea, but I'll raise my hand and say they 100% deserve everyone's respect because they are the best team in the world.
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Tony Kornheiser
The Argentine goalie was absolutely great. Was this. Does the coach of Argentina use as a strategy we are not going to attack or as you say, do you think it was the fact that they were tired, they expended more energy than any team because they had to make like three comebacks in the World Cup?
- [37:59]
Michael Wilbon
Yeah, I think it's all the above, Tony. I do think the comebacks were there like thin, where the energy thin. But I also think the manager is not an idiot. He saw the Spanish team, he saw that they did to France in the semifinal. I think he looked at it and said there's no way we can be exuberant, there's no way we can be aggressive and leave ourselves exposed. So I think this was the only way that they could win. Now do I think before the game started he thought they have zero shots in 118 minutes? No, I don't.
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Taylor Twellman
Right.
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Michael Wilbon
But to your point, I think he knew because the way he set the team up, he played three defensive midfielders, he played four in the back that knew they were going to defend. He knew his goalkeeper would be up to the task. I think he looked at and said this is the only way we're going to win.
- [38:44]
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, did you. I mean I'm new to this Argentina. I don't want to use a terrible word here, so I won't use the terrible word. I'll just say they appeared over overly aggressive. Well, sort of thuggish. Sort of thuggish. Am I right or wrong on that?
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Michael Wilbon
There's what we call, we call it the dark arts, right? We call it the dark arts where you manipulate the referee, you manipulate the opposition, you change the tone of the game. They did it against England, the referee did a good enough job. I think he could have gave an earlier yellow. Same thing with the referee in the final. This is who they are when they will get into a street fight. They have more quality than the Paraguay and the Uruguay's a little world, but they will 100% get into a street fight if they know that you've got them outmatched tactically and a little bit technically. And so that's the kind of game they knew if they could frustrate Spain and keep the game at no, no as long as they could. Which by the way, if you would ask me before the game, I would have said if this game goes to extra time, scoreless. I think Argentina wins the game now. The red card completely killed it. Like yes, Tony, you're not wrong. It's just, it's the way the best part about my sports sometimes is the worst part. There's a million ways to skin attack. There's a million ways. Spain showed you how to play and how they want to win. But Argentina also showed you that you can frustrate teams. You can get under their skin, you can play the dark arts and get, get into the referee's mind and all of that. They just didn't do enough and I think it bit them in the end. I'll end it with this, Tony. The second yellow from Enzo Fernandez is completely idiotic and completely unnecessary. You just got a yellow 12 minutes before that for absolutely no reason. So to come into that challenge, it's kind of like, listen, you want to play the dark arts, fine, but it kind of bit you in the ass in the end.
- [40:43]
Tony Kornheiser
All right, I will let you go. Next time we talk, we'll ask you about this. Is that it for Messi? Not in the mls, but is that it from the world stage, the World cup stage? Because he'd be 43 next time. But you can. You got it. You got appointments. Don't worry, we'll get to it. Thanks, Taylor.
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Michael Wilbon
See you, buddy.
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Tony Kornheiser
Taylor Twellman. Who knows more about soccer than Michael and Nigel and I? Times 3,000. Times 3,000. We will take a break. We will come back with email and jingle. I am Tony Kornheiser. You are listening to the Tony Kornheiser show.
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Michael Wilbon
The Tony Kornheiser show.
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Caleb Mitchell
Here comes Tony. Here comes Tony. Here comes Tony Smack. Got your emails, fax, sent your notes. Here comes Tony. Here comes Tony. Here comes Mr. Tony Smack. Gonna read some for all of you.
- [41:52]
Tony Kornheiser
As I say, every time Annie Crest sings that song, she can do that.
- [41:55]
Taylor Twellman
And we can.
- [41:56]
Tony Kornheiser
And you can. We can't. And you. Amazing. Tremendous. You want to do the Bethesda Bagel ad, please. Yes, Bethesda Bagels, we love them. You would as well just go to BethesdaBaggles.com for the location in the D.C. area near Stew. Then pop on in and you'll be thrilled. And before we get to the mailbag, let me just say do you believe in magic in a young girl's heart? How the music can free her wherever it starts and it's magic if the music is groovy and makes you feel happy like an old time movie I'll tell you about the magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger about rock and roll. The Love and Spoonful released that song do you believe in magic on this day in 1965. It's one of the greatest rock and roll songs of all time and it announced the Love and Spoonful to the rest of the world. Thanks to our guests today, Michael Wilbon and Taylor Twillman. Thanks as well to today's sponsors. Remember, you can listen to us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and ought to see if you get show through Apple podcasts. Please leave us a review from Patrick Sitter in Sioux Falls, S.D. under the headline Potatoes can die, he writes Potatoes can die. Isn't that a Louise Glock poem? Yeah. From Johnny Boy John Agliotta in Forestell, Missouri. Dear Papa Potato, why have I been a loyal little for nigh on to two decades? Is it because of the great guests, the D.C. traffic and weather updates, the blind rage displayed towards service providers?
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Taylor Twellman
No.
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Tony Kornheiser
It is because of the horticultural insight. Horticultural insights like the one on Wednesday's Pot Potatoes can die Insights for real living, baby. From Chip Rocks in a potato Pleasant I say potato, you say to me, potato, potato, tomato, tomato. Let's call the whole thing off. From Chip Robinson in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina. If it's too hot in D.C. for potatoes, you should consider planting iron next year. Yeah, good iron crop. Here is a haiku from Shed a fine line between colonoscopy prep and tepid sandwiches. That's about food. Foodborne illness. From you putting a breakfast sandwich from bacon. I bet you could stash three to four breakfast sandwiches in the right caper with pockets. You could be a trendsetter, Mr. Tony. Everybody will be sporting a golf cape by fall. Even Wilbourne. Yeah, I take these sandwiches and I stick them in the golf cart and do they get cold? They don't get cold. They're no longer hot, but they're warm. They remind you of why you got them they're usually very good. From Brandon Borzelli in Lebanon, New Jersey. You don't want to keep bacon in the back pocket of your golf pants. Maybe the person who held your umbrella for shade all those years ago is willing to to come back and hold your bacon for a round or two. Brand of Boiselle From Paul Ross I had the same breakfast dilemma tpc. The solution was to use a to go coffee cup. Scoop the scrambled eggs into the cup, break up a few pieces of bacon into the cup, add seasoning if needed, put a lid on it, shake it up, get a plastic fork and you're all set as the cup will keep the food warm. Hope you have a great event and stay hydrated. Now let's set up that tea time at Avenel and that's from Paul Ross
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Nigel
Are and nobody's the wiser.
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Tony Kornheiser
Podiatrist? Yeah, they offered. I asked if I could do that and the people at Rehoboth were so accommodating they said they would give me anything I wanted and I just took the two sandwiches because they were wrapped in tinfoil and I thought that gave me the best shot and I like the sandwich.
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Nigel
Did anyone ask during the round if you got the if you got the sandwich to go?
- [45:09]
Tony Kornheiser
Yes, I did have a couple of those who listen yes, yes I did. From Mark Hughes in Ashton, Maryland. Dear Skipper was great to hear new music from Strawberry Alarm Clock. Please let me know when Sam the Sham and the Pharaoh submit a few tunes to your fine podcast. Looking forward to it. Jeff Barger Hillsborough, North Carolina with the appearance of Strawberry Alarm Clock on your podcast, who's coming on next? The association, the 1910 Fruit Gum Company. I can see you using the profits from your potato sales to bankroll a tour next summer. From Robert Wagman in Potomac, Maryland. I attended a Strawberry Alarm Clock concert in D.C. in 1967 at the Ambassador Theater. The Ambassador Theater was located at 18th street in Columbia Road, northwest Washington, D.C. it was most notable for a six month period in the 1960s when it was a psychedelic concert and dance hall. I don't remember much about the concert except that all of the movie theater seats were removed so that hippies could be packed in like rats. For D.C. history buffs, the Ambassador should stood on the site formerly occupied by the Knickerbocker Theater, which collapsed in 1922 under the weight of 30 inches of snow. In what was then the worst disaster in Washington, 98 people were killed. Never heard of that. 36 injured. I was unaware of that.
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Taylor Twellman
Wow.
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Tony Kornheiser
From Jim Walsh what was the sub shop pizza place you were talking about a block off for Hobarth Avenue a few weeks ago. Geo's, right? No, Geo's is. Well, Geo's is actually technically on Rehoboth Avenue, but it's all the way out
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Nigel
by talking about Franken Lee.
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Tony Kornheiser
Maybe. Maybe you might have talked about that because I don't go to Frank and Louie's, you know. And then we once had pizza at a place a block off for Hobart, the avenue. We didn't like the people that were serving us.
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Nigel
If you go up the highway, you can go to Casa Pulas.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, Casapool is a sub shop.
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Nigel
Yeah, that's up the highway though.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's near the Chick Fil A. Yeah. And the Giant from Patrick Graham in Catonsville, Maryland. As a contractor, getting an early morning coffee from a customer is rarely a good thing. I answered the call with some trepidation and my heart nearly sank when I heard her strained voice on the phone. Please send someone out as soon as you can. You could hear how upset she was. My mind spun. Water leak? Ceiling collapse. Her Rembrandt that was hanging in our living room now. Modernistic slop of running color. She continued, there's a toad, a frog in the toilet. I hate them. Should I flush it? For God's sakes, don't flush the toad, I replied. It felt so good to say. Twenty minutes later, I fished the toad out of the toilet, walked it to the woods, freed it from my glove covered hand, gave it a TK salute and returned to Hero. After washing my hands and collecting my payment, homemade cinnamon roll and a fresh cup of coffee, I drove my F150 into the morning heat, ready to face the rest of the day. Done. From Tom Turgonski in Sioux City, Iowa. I played golf at the Sioux City Country Club, where I will occasionally find both goose poop and goose goose feathers on the course. I have to admit, I don't feel compelled to to pick up either one. Yeah, I pick up the feathers. The feathers. For luck, I pick up the feathers. This is a long one. A little bit, yeah. From Paul Lawrence in Hampton, Virginia. Dear Captain Ron, On a recent trip to Nebraska to see my son in the summer stock production of Tuck Everlasting, my wife and I had a free night in Denver where we'd catch our flight home to Virginia in the morning. While perusing the locals going on, she saw one of our favorite bands, the Avid Brothers. It's Avid or Avid Brothers would be performing at the world famous Red Rocks Amphitheater that Very evening Bucket List show. Gotta go. She bought our tickets. We were on our way. When we were passing through security, the opening act started playing. I wasn't really paying attention, but I recognized the song as Marrakesh Express by Crosby, Stills and Nash. I thought, that's weird. They don't usually book cover bands to open at places like Red Rocks. We grabbed a beer and found a seat in General Admission. I took a minute to appreciate the beautiful setting with the gleaming Denver skyline in the distance. I looked to the stage when I heard this band start another Crosby, Stills and Nash song. I did a double take and saw that on the Jumbotron was Graham Bleep and Nash. I said to my wife, that's Graham Nash. He was opening for the Avett Brothers for one night at Red Rock. She was mildly impressed, but happy to see how happy this made me. I felt like a kid again. The Hollies, Crosby, Stills and Nash and Graham Nash have been a part of the soundtrack of my entire life. And being able to see him put on an amazing performance at age 84 was to me akin to an audience with the Pope. I cried a little during every song, remembering my life and friends in special times. Our house was a showstopper as 8, 000 people sang along was beautiful. Music is a powerful drug. That's it. Thought you'd like the story. I do. That's a great story. That's great. From Amy Boyd, the woman to whom Jonathan Boyd is related by marriage. Writes Tony, we need to talk. After a perfectly lovely afternoon sipping wine at Bells Up Winery, Dave Spector. Yeah. Just outside Newburgh, Oregon. It's become apparent that I need a divorce. My husband, Jonathan Boyd, an avid Tony Kornheiser show fan, is such a devoted follower that our vacations now arrive around endorsed activities. Not only am I subjected to Daily show quotes, Johnny O merchandise and periodic call outs for the Google Machine, I now have proof, per the attack photo, of my husband's infidelity. For viewers On News Channel 8, you can see where the Tony Kornheiser says salute with David with David Spector.
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Taylor Twellman
Wow.
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Tony Kornheiser
While I can't deny the wine was wonderful, I thoroughly enjoyed our wine testing. I must ask you to cease and desist the courtship of my husband or the man to whom I related by marriage. I called dibs. Isn't that wonderful? That is great. From Frank Hauser in Urine, Ohio, to our favorite potato farmer. What? Rod Stewart plagiarized a Bob Dylan song and pass it off as his own? Are you telling us Carol dated Rod Stewart from Jim Lutherville. Commodore Tony, thanks for the updates. Coney Island, Cincinnati closed. Coney Island, New York Open. Just so you know, the Roll and Run Swim Club down the street where I go is open from 10am to 7pm Be aware that some afternoons we are prone to storms rolling in, so listen to the lifeguard for directions. Lutherville's in Maryland, right? Isn't that where Pam Shriver is from? Yes, yeah, she's from Lutherville. Once again, another one from Jeff Barger in Hillsborough, North Carolina. I have a few weeks left on my summer summer break from teaching, so I'm offering my services to the Nats as a reliever. I haven't pitched in 50 years, but I'm willing to pay for the minimum. Should I send them my LinkedIn profile? And one more. Evan in Lindenhurst in Lyndhurst, just reminding you to pre order your natural gas. Not sure when the letter gets sent out, but I don't want you to miss two years in a row. Thank you Evan. That goes on the special pile. If you're out on your bike tonight, as always, do wear white.
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Nigel
So I'm on a first tee. What am I giving the driver? He hauls off and whacks one big hitter long into a 10,000 foot crevice
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Taylor Twellman
right at the base of this glacier.
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Caleb Mitchell
24 years in the same old town a 962 tone to get around 60 and a 30 with a restless soul with both on the wheel and under hold Life is a free fall so I'm told. Finding the strength to just let go Then I settled down Boots on the ground by the little spot on the edge of town and I needed you to save me from myself on each steady heart if I'd known from the start we'd never spend a the night apart but thank God for all the things I never knew Cuz he led me here to you. Trust is a long and winding right but with your hand in mine it's my new favorite drive I'd knock down these walls for a picket fence and I won't take my problems to a new address Love is a free fall so I'm told Whoa I'm finding the strength to do select but then I settled down Boots on the ground By a little spot on the edge of town and I needed you to save me from myself I need your steady heart if I known from the start we never spend a single night apart thank God for all the things I know I never knew Cause it led me here to you. But I was so restless if you with you by my side I'm always home but things get so lonely but now that you hold me I want to be with you Only then I settle down Boots on the ground we bought a little spot on the edge of town I know I needed you to save me I don't care how long as you space for two and I never thought I'd say it But I needed you and someday we'll get older oh someday we'll get older
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Taylor Twellman
so
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Caleb Mitchell
thank God for all the things I never knew Cuz it led me here to you. It led me here to you.
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Dan Byrne
Our podcast is a good one, but it's going to need some tapering to pay all these guys. Puts us in the second apron to pay Tony and Michael and Nigel. Unsustainable story. We need to unload one of them over to Pablo Torre. Soliza from now on, will stick to politics and courts. We've moved Reginald the Monkey over to Barstool Sports. Together, Tony, Michael and Nigel are a podcasting dream. And yet we can't keep all them under the collective bargaining agreement. It's possible that Tony is the one who has to go. Maybe we'll grab Lebatar for the Tony Kornheiser show.