Black Banquet & the Dagger

Summary

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The Traitors Official Podcast

Episode: Black Banquet & the Dagger
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Boston Rob
Release Date: January 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into one of the most dramatic episodes yet of The Traitors US, centered on the infamous "Black Banquet" murder, the shocking twists delivered by Alan Cumming, and the intense fallout at the roundtable. Hosts Bob the Drag Queen and Boston Rob dissect strategic gameplay, alliances under strain, fashion highlights, and feature extended interviews with both Jam Jam Orocho (freshly murdered at the banquet) and the episode’s banished traitor, Lisa Rinna. Their analysis blends humor, insider knowledge, and a love for both treachery and killer style.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Fashion and Banquet Open (00:08 – 01:16)

• Bob the Drag Queen rocks a rhinestone-studded backwards hat, kicking off the show in style.
  • Bob: “Had to make it Bob the Drag Queen style, obviously. This is my peace offering.” (00:36)
  • Rob: “I am honored and completely gagged.” (00:44)
• The hosts joke about fashion, setting the tone for their signature blend of gameplay critique and style commentary.

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2. The Black Banquet—Murder in Style (01:16 – 06:15)

• Lisa Rinna’s Grand Entrance: Commented on her over-the-top look.
  • Bob: “Watching her come down those stairs, her big grand entrance, I was like, what a diva. What an icon. What a legend. What a traitor.” (01:24)
• Discussion of Murder Mechanics:
  • The hosts break down Lisa’s strategic thinking on who to murder and how suspicion shifted because of her choice of brooch (the murder device) and her interaction with Jam Jam.
  • Alan Cumming introduces the antidote twist at the banquet—two people can potentially save themselves, ratcheting up tension and paranoia.
    • Bob: “This is more dramatic than the soap operas I used to work on.” (03:56)
  • Chaotic scramble to claim the antidote, highlighting Natalie’s aggressive social play.

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3. Jam Jam’s Murder and Aftermath (06:15 – 13:45)

• Jam Jam’s Over-the-Top Exit:
  • Bob: “Jam Jam is being dragged out of the banquet hall by minions, literally kicking and swinging, screaming, Alan, you’re going to prison for that.” (05:36)
  • Jam Jam (Guest): “I became too close to her after that round table... I see like stars in your eyes. Like it’s an energy.” (08:23)
• Behind the Murder:
  • Jam Jam believed he was killed through a kiss on the cheek from Lisa, but it was actually contact with her brooch/amulet.
  • Jam Jam: “In the interactions in this castle, everybody was air kissing... but Lisa gave me a kiss on the cheek, like a smooch.” (10:44)
  • Bob: “The cause of death was actually her tricking you into touching the amulet… How does that feel?” (11:57)
  • Jam Jam: “Makes me feel like a fool because I was screaming like a kid.” (12:05)
• Game Reflections: Jam Jam shares how playing The Traitors was tougher than Survivor due to its deception.
  • Jam Jam: “Here, the castle has many rooms, everybody’s everywhere, you don’t know what’s really going on. In comparison to Survivor, this was very hard for my skills.” (13:06)

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4. Breakfast Fallout & Alliance Fractures (14:09 – 16:23)

• Rob, Candace, Lisa Tension: Post-banquet, the surviving traitors finally convene but realize fractures in their alliance.
  • Bob: “He wants to see her (Lisa) burn. He’s not saying he’s breaking up the band, but his actions are.” (14:54)
• Natalie Misspeaks: Sparks suspicion by using “we murdered one” during a conversation in the library.
  • Lisa (internal): “Did she just say we murdered? Oh, praise Jesus. I’m gonna use that.” (15:46)
• Commentary on how hasty speech can make anyone look suspicious, but “misspeaking” isn’t proof someone’s a traitor.

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5. Challenge & The Power of the Dagger (17:27 – 21:28)

• Physical and Strategic Challenge: Contestants collect gold up the mountain, with a mid-way “aim” game affecting outcomes.
  • Rob (on Natalie): “She is strong. She is smart. She is made for this game.” (18:07)
• Rob Wins the Dagger: Empowers him with a double vote; Rob organizes a secretive pact to keep this fact concealed.
  • Bob: “How does it help them?… It doesn’t hide the fact that he has the power of two votes.” (20:59)
  • The hosts critique both the logic and game theory behind Rob’s decision.

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6. Strategic Roundtable & Lisa’s Downfall (21:33 – 25:24)

• Roundtable Fireworks: Early pressure on Natalie gives way to a Colton-led pivot against Lisa, citing Jam Jam’s dying accusation.
  • Bob: “If Lisa would have presented it like that, I think she actually could have swayed some more votes.” (22:02)
• Colton’s Influence and Candace’s Emotional Vote:
  • Rob: “If Colton goes all the way to the end… it’s one of the boldest games I’ve ever seen.” (24:10)
  • Bob: “Once you find out that there’s traitor on traitor violence, it’s a wrap for the rest of you.” (24:58)
• Lisa Banished: Seeds planted by both gameplay and Jam Jam’s parting shot finally take root.

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7. Interview with Lisa Rinna (26:23 – 34:10)

• Lisa on Being a Traitor:
  • Lisa: “You’re a traitor, but you’re playing a faithful… That’s what was challenging for me. The deceit wasn’t really that difficult.” (26:45)
• Emotional Banquet Moves:
  • Lisa recounts her bold face-to-face murders and particularly the Black Banquet moment.
    • Lisa: “I knew that that amulet would look so fierce on that outfit. I had to do it. Even though I had heat on me... It was my moment. And so, you know what? I took the risk.” (29:38)
• Roundtable Reflections:
  • Lisa admits that getting too defensive can be fatal at the roundtable.
  • Lisa: “When you get too defensive, that’s the worst thing I think you can do.” (30:30)
• Iconic Exit:
  • Her pride in her game and showmanship.
    • Lisa: “I loved every second of it. I got the most attention. I love attention more than anybody. I think it was brilliant.” (33:59)

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8. The Black Banquet Fashion Review (34:44 – 38:51)

• Hosts on the Best & Worst Looks:
  • Bob praises Kristen’s red turtleneck as “beautiful,” lauds Maura’s “Mugler” metallic look, dubbing her both “model” and “fashionista of the week.”
  • Maura’s look compared to Star Wars’ C3PO.
  • Lisa Rinna’s black and white ensemble hailed as “dramatic” and “epic.”
  • Bob: “Lisa fucking Rinna… This is so epic. She looks so good. It’s kind of giving Anything Goes meets My Fair Lady.” (37:09)
  • Some misses called out: Candace’s headpiece “looks like it’s trying to kill her” (38:03), Johnny’s look “bold but not a favorite.”
• Traitors’ Fashionista of the Week: Maura is celebrated by both hosts.

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9. Final Analysis & Next Moves (39:01 – 40:38)

• Hosts' Predictions:
  • If traitors don’t take out Eric, Mark, or Steven next, “they’re fools.”
  • Both reflect on Colton’s inability to slow down and predict that the Rob-Candace relationship is fractured beyond repair.
  • Emotional decisions, like Candace’s, can be dangerous as the endgame approaches:
    • Rob: “There was an emotional vote tonight, and whenever people are emotional, their decisions are skewed. She’s going to have to get past that if they’re going to work together.” (40:28)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Lisa’s Banquet Entrance:
  Bob: “What a diva. What an icon. What a legend. What a traitor.” (01:24)
• On Jam Jam’s Elimination:
  Jam Jam: “She kissed me. Lisa kissed me with a chick. He was so fresh because housewife don’t give chick.” (09:45)
• On the Amulet Trick:
  Bob: “The cause of death was actually her tricking you into touching the amulet…” (11:57)
• On Lisa Being Named a Traitor:
  Lisa: “In my head, I go, oh, my fucking God, I’m a traitor. Oh, my fucking God, I’m a traitor. Oh, my fucking God, I’m a traitor.” (27:18)
• On the Dagger Pact:
  Bob: “I don’t get how it makes him look faithful. I don’t get how I would. I wouldn’t trust him… I would not trust this man.” (21:00)
• On Fashionista of the Week:
  Bob: “Maura, you are the traitor’s Fashionista of the Week. Congratulations. It’s honestly a better honor than winning the whole season.” (38:43)
• On What’s Next:
  Rob: “If they don’t kill Eric, Mark, or Steven next, I think they’re fools.” (39:12) Bob: “Colton needs to chill out… You got one good win. Let it go now.” (39:24)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Start | End | |----------------------------------------|---------|---------| | Fashion Cold Open | 00:08 | 01:16 | | Black Banquet Breakdown | 01:16 | 06:15 | | Jam Jam Interview | 06:15 | 13:45 | | Breakfast Fallout | 14:09 | 16:23 | | Challenge – Dagger Strategy | 17:27 | 21:28 | | Roundtable Fireworks | 21:33 | 25:24 | | Lisa Rinna Interview | 26:23 | 34:10 | | Black Banquet Fashion Review | 34:44 | 38:51 | | Final Thoughts & Predictions | 39:01 | 40:38 |

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Conclusion

This episode brings together treachery, style, and high-stakes strategy in a packed analysis that doesn’t miss a detail—whether it's Lisa Rinna’s iconic showmanship or the shifting sands of trust and betrayal. The candid interviews serve as both post-mortem and masterclass in social manipulation, while the hosts’ humor and mutual jabs make it a must-listen for fans hungry for both gameplay and runway critique.

Next week promises even more mayhem in the castle. Stay tuned!

Transcript

[A]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Traders official podcast. Do not adjust your screens. Bob the Drag Queen has a backwards hat on. Bob, explain yourself.

[B]

Listen. You know, I've just seen the era of my ways. We've been talking about fashion a lot here lately, and I realized you were right about so many things.

[A]

Oh, my God, I am getting trolled. But I love it. It actually has rhinestones on it.

[B]

I had to make it Bob the Drag Queen style, obviously. So this is my little nod to you. This is my peace offering, shall we say?

[A]

I mean, I am honored and completely gagged. So thank you.

[B]

Of course. It is absolutely my pleasure. And of course, y'. All. This is the official Traitors podcast where we talk about the intrigue of the gameplay, the fashion, and the betrayals with. We are your hosts. My name is Bob the Drag Queen.

[A]

And I'm Boston Rob.

[B]

And fair warning, we are not holding back. There will be spoilers, so make sure you are all caught up. And there is so much to talk about. This episode, I know, had everything. The Black Banquet.

[A]

You gotta get into it. The Black Banquet, right from the jump. Lisa Rinna with the brooch on her.

[B]

Lapel, and I gotta say, her entrance. Oh, fit for a queen. Watching her come down those stairs, her big, grand entrance, I was like, what a diva. What an icon. What a legend. What a traitor.

[A]

Lisa fucking Rinna.

[B]

Lisa fucking Rinna. The only thing about this murder that I find I would have been suspicious on, I'd have been like, bitch, this brooch doesn't match your outfit. I'd have been like, girl, I love you. But, Lisa, this brooch right there on this outfit. What is that?

[A]

What are we doing?

[B]

Everyone's suspicious of everything. There's cards on the table.

[A]

Yes. People are cutting up food, rightfully so. I mean, everybody is watching everything. And I gotta tell you, I absolutely loved how she delivered.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Oh, my pin is burning. We actually have footage on how she came to our decision, so let's take a look at it.

[C]

Gorgeous.

[D]

Bring it.

[E]

Oh, If I go for Jam.

[B]

Jam.

[E]

He didn't vote for me at the round table and most likely won't come back on me.

[B]

Perfect choice.

[A]

That would have been smart. Cheers.

[E]

Cheers. We have to look.

[C]

I don't think I've ever cheered you with this intensity.

[E]

You look fab.

[A]

Kristen, also a good choice.

[E]

Very smart. Quiet ones are the dangerous one. But also, I think Natalie is smart, and she's a gamer. She's really dangerous.

[B]

Kristin's the best choice.

[E]

Natalie could be a good target for me.

[A]

Kristen's the best. But Jam Jem's the worst.

[B]

Yes. Yes.

[E]

And it is my moment to strike.

[B]

But then, baby Alan, this entrance is so great. And right when Lisa was like, it's done. I did it. Alan was like, did you? Did you really think I was going to let you off that easy?

[A]

There are just two life saving antidotes. Two chances to save the curse of the. Oh, that's the worst. You think you gotta. You think you did your job. And here comes the twist. Have the traitors targeted tonight.

[B]

Look at Lisa.

[A]

Listen up, players. You only have a short amount of time to discuss who will drink the antidote, but it is lost forever.

[B]

Right now, Lisa does not look like she's. She looks shook. She looks destroyed. Obviously Rob and Candace aren't shook because they don't even know who she chose.

[A]

Right. They're literally scot free. And they know they can't be killed, so they're not going to make a big thing to go for the antidote.

[B]

Yeah. And Lisa is like, this is more dramatic than the soap operas I used to work on.

[A]

The game has obviously evolved in the very first season. Somebody poisoned a chalice.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And here they are at a banquet and they're literally trying to find anything that happened so that they can drink the potion. And they're paranoid.

[B]

Took a deep breath. Who looked me in the eye? Who's wearing shoes?

[A]

Who cut the turkey? Who did this, did that.

[B]

So let's look at all all of the Faithfuls battling it out to get those antidotes.

[A]

You have one minute left.

[E]

I would like to drink this with Natalie. No one can get a word in.

[A]

Guys, I really want to drink this.

[E]

Guys, I have. Oh, my God.

[A]

I don't like Natalie always taking the lead as a lead faithful.

[B]

Yeah. It's getting her a lot of heat. Stephen.

[A]

I need two names. No, no.

[E]

I do not play like that.

[A]

This doesn't surprise me. This is a smart survivor mood. If nobody's speaking up, go for it.

[B]

Yeah. So Natalie and Tara are getting up and, like, fighting over this drink. And then someone's yelling, just drink it. Just drink it because it's gonna expire.

[A]

Time was running out in my mind when they were fighting over who was gonna drink it. There was no question I knew Natalie was gonna drink it. I just know she's like, in the moment. She's very aggressive and she's gonna take the initiative.

[B]

So let's look at Alan's. A remarkable and beautiful reveal.

[A]

The player that was cursed to death. Cursed is.

[B]

You.

[C]

Jam.

[E]

Jam.

[A]

Oh, my God. Oh, Lisa. He said Lisa.

[B]

Right away as Jam Jam is being dragged out of the banquet hall by minions, literally kicking and swinging, screaming, alan, you're going to prison for that.

[A]

I loved it. Don't change Alan.

[B]

He's yelling like, it's Lisa. It's Lisa. She kissed me. Lisa kissed me.

[A]

Yeah. Which it wasn't the kiss, but he was right. It was Lisa.

[B]

The funny thing is the execution of the murder isn't even what got her. That's the crazy thing.

[A]

Which is why, like, I think Jam Jam's a terrible choice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because he's somebody that's going to be vocal. He's gonna get his on the way out.

[B]

Honestly, I genuinely cannot wait to show this to him and, like, get his reaction in real time. And we're gonna do it right after this.

[E]

Welcome to Ashfield Place, the safest, safest, safest town in America. These people are crazy.

[A]

Starring Emmy award winner, Keke Palmer.

[B]

So what's the deal with that old Victorian house?

[E]

There have been whispers of murder, Murder, murder, murder. Aren't small towns just the best? Just give and get out the burbs.

[B]

Streaming February 8th, only on Peacock. So are we going to go in?

[E]

Do white ladies love salads? Hell, yeah, we're going in.

[B]

Welcome back, everyone. We're so excited to be joined now by a Survivor champion known for his brilliant social game. But his million dollar victory painted the biggest target on his back in the castle, and his journey ended in the most dramatic way possible. Give it up for Jam Jam Orocho.

[A]

Jam Jam.

[B]

Hey.

[C]

Hi, girl. Thank you, Boston Rob. Thank you, Bob the Raccoon, for having me. It's exciting.

[A]

Talk about this.

[B]

Did you have the most dramatic murder in the history of the traitors?

[C]

It has to be the most dramatic.

[A]

I meant that way. Watching you get dragged out of that thing. Let's start at the beginning. This black banquet, it looked amazing going into that. What's the feeling going into it? Not only from you, but for everyone.

[C]

You know something's gonna happen, but we don't know where it's gonna be hitting you from. You don't know if it's gonna be in the food. Is it in the seats, if there's roses on the tables? Everybody's talking about everything that's going on around us. Like everybody's offering you a drink and food and you don't want to take anything.

[B]

I know you haven't seen anything yet, and I can tell you're very excited, but I want you to take another look at how gorgeous you. You love. Oh, thank you. Let's take a look.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

That entrance, the drama.

[A]

You look gorgeous.

[D]

Bring it.

[E]

No, if I go for jam.

[B]

Jam.

[E]

He didn't vote for me at the round table and most likely won't come back on me.

[A]

Cheers.

[C]

I became too close to her after that round table. I don't think I've ever cheer you with this intensity. I see like stars on your eyes. Like you're like. It's like an energy. Look at this accessory.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

I knew something was going on.

[B]

Okay, so tell me, what is your response to watching that?

[C]

I was a fool for so many reasons. Like there's obviously I shouldn't have, you know, interacted with anyone or do anything. I should have just sitting there, not do anything. I didn't know what was going on. And watching myself walking in there, I was so excited to be there. The conversations we were having at dinner, looking at everybody dressed so amazingly after spending so many days together, it was magic. It was magic. I felt like a movie. Like in another way that Survivor is not like that. Survivor is like the nature and everything, but here is like the drama and the theater and everything is beautiful and smells nice.

[B]

Net Banquet was an absolutely phenomenal show. But your murder was the most beautiful finale of all. And we're gonna take a look at it right now.

[A]

The player. Oh, my God. To death is. Oh, take him away. Guys.

[C]

Lisa was Lisa that kiss me happy. Lisa kissed me. Lisa kissed me with a chick. He was so fresh because housewife don't give chick.

[A]

Lisa, Lisa.

[C]

Lisa hit me with a cheek.

[B]

She kissed.

[C]

He was an air kiss. He was a real kiss. He was a real kiss.

[E]

Lisa. Yeah, but what Lisa. She did kiss him on the cheek.

[C]

Faces of everyone. She's mad.

[A]

She's mad. Good.

[B]

Got a lot of information out in a really short amount of time.

[A]

Yeah, that was really good.

[B]

It was Lisa in the kitchen with a kiss.

[C]

Cause they keep questioning me. I didn't know. I was so mad. Half of these people lasted more than me. I was like, dude, just listen to me. Why would I say anything else? I'm obviously a faithful. I just got murdered.

[A]

You said that you thought it was Lisa that targeted you because of a kiss on the cheek. How's your view of that?

[C]

And in the interactions in this castle, nobody was. Everybody was like air kissing, you know, because that's the classy thing to do. But Lisa, when she said hi to me, she gave me a kiss on the cheek, like a smooch.

[B]

And she was the only one who kissed you? Like that.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So listen, Jam. Jam. The magic of this murder is that even though you think you know how you were murdered, I'm telling you right now, it wasn't because of the kiss. So I want you to watch this, and I want you to see what really happened.

[E]

Yep.

[A]

Mm.

[E]

Close the door.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

They're gonna talk about it.

[E]

Last night was insane. And I'm a little sad because I did love Jam, but it happened so fast.

[C]

Lisa, just, like, did she love me?

[E]

She handled her scandal with no backup. I was so scared that you hadn't done it, because I didn't see. See anything. It happened within five minutes.

[D]

I didn't even know who you were going for.

[E]

Ow is this shit?

[C]

She said that?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I closed it.

[C]

Mora was next to me.

[E]

Thank you.

[B]

So the cause of death was actually her tricking you into touching the amulet that she had on her lapel. How does that feel, fighting that out?

[C]

Well, it makes me feel like a fool because I was screaming like a kid. I was like, she kissed me.

[A]

You know what's great about. You know what's great about it is you threw her under the bus for the wrong reason. But you were right. She was a traitor.

[C]

I knew she was acting different with me that night.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

So I was like, who was acting with me different tonight? And it was into me was the idea of the kiss. But if you think about it, maybe she was also nervous and that's why she gave me the kiss.

[A]

I thought you played a great game. Jam. Jam. I thought you were doing all the right things and. And your intuition was good at the end. You know, you sensed it was her. I really respect the fact on the way out, you took a parting shot that ultimately led to people to start to look at Lisa as they should.

[C]

And I love that. Yay for me and my mid of the pack placement.

[A]

Let me ask you one question, like, overall the experience, how was it for you? Overall?

[C]

It was amazing. It was super hard. It was Survivor. Rob, you know, you are watching everybody at once, all the time here. The castle has many rooms. Everybody's everywhere. You don't know what's really going on. And in comparison to Survivor, this was very hard for my skills.

[B]

What is your final message to the faithful?

[C]

Oh, the Faithfuls are all going to die if they keep doing what we were doing. They don't have a freaking chance. I mean, they can get, like, maybe, like, one person, but I don't see them figuring this out. They're a mess, and I hope they lose. I said it When I was there, I was like, I hope the faithfuls lose. They deserve to lose.

[A]

See, that's a survivor mentality. I'm just telling you from a gamer's perspective because he's so competitive. I know how he feels. It's a little bit like, well, if I'm not gonna win, I don't want any of you else to win. Thank you so much for joining us. Jam Jam, I gotta tell you, from one gamer to another, it was tough to see you go, but I really enjoyed watching you in the castle.

[B]

And thank you for actually bringing the fashion. You looked amazing. All right, thank you so much. Jam Jam. Bye.

[C]

Thank you so much, guys. It was a blast.

[B]

You want to talk about this breakfast?

[A]

Let's talk about it.

[B]

Uncomfortable.

[A]

I mean, brutal. Like, there's no reveal because like, obviously Jam Jam was dragged out the night before.

[B]

Rob, Candace and Lisa finally have one on one time face to face with no one around. They don't have to whisper because only ones in there. And they are not happy with him. No, they're pissed. So Lisa's basically like, what are you going to do? Because Candace has. Candace is like, I will do what it takes to clear your name.

[A]

Right. Lisa needs support. She's on the hot seat.

[B]

Yes. And she's asking Rob what he's going to do. And Rob goes, I'll do the same thing I do every day. I'll just sit back. And obviously that's not a good enough answer because he doesn't care.

[A]

He doesn't care. He wants to see her burn. He's not saying that he's breaking up the band, but his actions are.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

He's making excuses that the fact that he couldn't vote for Colton, that he didn't want to vote for Ron. I mean, it's all lining up that he's trying to create a group that doesn't include them. So they go out of breakfast and you see them in the library. Back in the castle, you see them in the library. And out of nowhere, Natalie just has diarrhea of the mouth and misspeaks.

[B]

Let's look at Natalie misspeaking here.

[E]

We just wanted to clear up, like, how we were fighting over the potion and why were you so strong? Two of the gamers have been targeted. Like, think about it. They're all dead now. We killed one. We murdered one.

[A]

Mm. See, Lisa already feels like she's dead.

[E]

Did she just say we murdered? Oh, praise Jesus. I'm gonna use that.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

We have to agree that misspeaking is we have a lot of evidence to show. That does not make you a traitor. You all have seen it twice in this scene.

[A]

It happens a lot.

[B]

We saw it once with Michael. We saw it once with Portia, and now we're seeing it with Natalie. Why are y' all still taking this as bible truth that you're a traitor?

[A]

I just think, like, I feel like if there's nothing else to go on, it's a way to incriminate someone.

[B]

So Rob is trying to make his case against Lisa. He's doing it to his faithful buddies. He is working, like double time to take Lisa down. Let's look at. Let's look at this clip.

[D]

Airtight. Don't bring this out. I don't want to get murdered.

[B]

I don't want to get murdered.

[D]

Anytime two people have a different version of a story, someone's lying.

[B]

I'm sorry. That's camp, guys. That's camp.

[D]

As soon as he says that she.

[A]

Says it is pretty basic.

[B]

But he said it like he was just.

[D]

We all know this is the first time we get to hear faithful say anything to us. That's what he says. Someone's lying.

[B]

Yeah. Why would he lie? Anytime two people have a different version of a story, someone's lying. I would have. Like, Socrates could never.

[A]

I mean, he's not wrong, but it's not the most insightful quote.

[B]

What he is saying makes a lot of sense. Jam. Jam has no reason to lie as he's being thrown out of the castle.

[A]

I agree with that. You know, usually after someone's dead, why would they say it? You know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, so let's talk about this week's mission.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

All right. They're giving them some gold to start with which they can use, but they ultimately have to collect gold and go up this huge mountain to the end and put it in their chest.

[B]

This game is so physical. It's not just like going up a hill. There's an aim game in the middle. They can wage their gold and throw it at this thing Rob is crushing. He skips rocks for hours, apparently, at his lake.

[A]

And Candace can't hit the broadside of a barn to save her life after.

[B]

Candace gotta know she has no aim.

[A]

Natalie is a beast. She's done this on Survivor. I've seen firsthand her hustling.

[B]

Yeah. She is strong. She is smart. She is made for this game, no doubt. And this. Then there's a third part of it because you get to the top and you realize you can just give someone else your gold.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So now you can campaign.

[A]

There's a strategy there too. And you do see some people putting their gold in other people's because they didn't have enough.

[B]

And then when it's all said and done, the top earners, Colton, Eric, mark, natalie, rob, and steven all have the most gold. And it's rob's job to determine who is lying to him. So the power of the dagger, it's not just some shiny toy. The power of the dagger allows you to have two votes. You get literally double the vote at the round table.

[A]

So it's a bluff game. I actually played a game similar to this on deal or no deal island. I bet Rob plays poker. And he effectively used a strategy called baselining where he asks him a question that they're supposed to answer truthfully. What's your name? He knows the answer to so that he can get a baseline on them to when he asks him, do you have the dagger? To see if there's any difference in the reaction.

[B]

I usually hate when people say I'm a human lie detector. But honestly, he ate.

[A]

He did. And natalie has two fatal flaws. Tells if you call them. I don't know if a lot of people at home know this, but one of the way you can tell if someone's lying, that's a pretty effective tell. Is if when you ask them a question, they touch their face, Sometimes they grab their ear, sometimes they touch their face, sometimes they touch the nose. And the closer to the nose they touch, the more accurate it is as a lie.

[B]

Kind of pinocchio.

[A]

A little bit pinocchio.

[B]

Right.

[A]

One other thing they do when they're closed off and they're trying to be deceptive is they cross their arms. And I noticed Natalie did both of those when rob questioned it and rob picked up on it.

[B]

So rob effectively knows that Natalie is lying. He gets the dagger, and now we're all headed back to the castle. And they have a second to communicate.

[A]

In the rovers before they go back into the castle. Rob takes it upon himself to make a pact with all the people that were playing for the dagger to not tell anyone. I thought this was a bold move and I don't know that I would have done that if I were rob.

[B]

And for whatever reason, all the faithfuls are just trusting him. Let's take a look at Rob talking about this pact.

[A]

Hold up, gang. Hold up. Hold on, hold on. What are we.

[E]

What are we doing?

[C]

What are we.

[D]

So I trust you guys. I'm a faithful. I have the dagger.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

I want to make a pact that when we go in there, we agree not to tell anyone. Like, honest, bro, Fuck, I'm gonna get murdered.

[A]

Target on your back. Yeah.

[E]

Huge target.

[A]

He's the one that has something to lose by it. The other people are not incentivized. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

How does it help them? It's not like a shield. How does it help them? It doesn't hide the fact that he has the power of two votes.

[A]

It doesn't help them at all.

[B]

I don't get how it makes him look faithful. I don't get how I would. I wouldn't trust him.

[A]

I wouldn't trust him.

[B]

I would not trust this man.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If he would, he'd done this. I have the dagger, and I'll tell you what. If you guys keep it a secret, I have the dagger. Whoever we all agree on as a group to use it against, I will use it.

[A]

That is a smart strategy that incentivizes them to keep the secret.

[B]

Exactly. So, I mean, but for.

[A]

That was good. That's really good. That's really on the fly, too. Let's go.

[B]

I should be on the trailer.

[A]

He's getting ready for the All Stars. Watch out.

[B]

Okay, it's time for a showdown. Let's talk about this roundtable.

[A]

But this roundtable might have been one of my favorite ones so far this season.

[B]

It was good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It was really, really good. Lisa should have let people build a case against Natalie and then come in at the very final second and be like, and by the way, I heard this thing. It's just like, Eric. Eric let everyone build a case against Tiffany. And then once they were, like, on the edge, he came in and said, and just to really put the nail.

[A]

On the ball, push her over the edge.

[B]

I heard her laugh.

[A]

Right.

[B]

If Lisa would have presented it like that, I think she actually could have swayed some more votes.

[A]

I agree with you. I think, like, she was too little in the beginning, and had she positioned her attack better, I think she could have gotten across the finish line.

[B]

Everyone's pretty much headed toward Natalie.

[A]

Colton turned the tides. He all of a sudden, you know, it's going to Natalie, and everybody thinks that, like, it's on Natalie. And then all of a sudden, Colton turns it to Lisa, which is pretty.

[B]

Impressive, I gotta say. Like, that's the thing. I don't know if he's actually onto Lisa or if he just got lucky. I can't tell. Let's take a look at this real quick. I'd like to talk about jam. Jam.

[E]

I'd like to, too.

[B]

Natalie's like, I sure as hell would like to talk about anybody but me. I obviously now know, like, we could have 100% trusted him. And so my question directly to you is why, in his last words to us, why would he go for you so aggressively?

[E]

I do not know. I do not know.

[B]

I feel like Colton did a pretty good job at getting everyone to look at Lisa. And then out of nowhere, Rob just repeats almost verbatim the same thing that Colton had just said.

[A]

I think Rob's been playing good. I think he's done a lot of things this episode that I don't love and I don't agree with. You know, starting from the dagger situation with the pack coming at Lisa the way he is. And I think in the. In the turret tonight, they're going to. They're going to go at it.

[B]

When it's all said and done, Lisa has been banished. And then you would think that Colton would be like, I got some good social clout. They believe me again. I'm gonna calm down. He immediately goes. And now onto Stephen.

[A]

Next up. We got no time. I'm gonna stop. Where's my finger going? Who's it gonna be?

[B]

It's you, Colton. Slow, baby. Slow down. Do you know how getting Lisa was the best thing that could happen for Colton?

[A]

Man, if Colton goes all the way to the end and, like, wins as a faithful, I'm going to tell you, man, it's one of the boldest games I've ever seen.

[B]

I really hate that Candace threw that vote away. It might have been smart. It might have been a decent strategic move. It might have kept her hands clean. But I wish that she would have just stuck to her guns and voted for Colton.

[A]

I have loved the way Candace has played so far. I hated that vote.

[B]

Me, too.

[A]

I hated it because to me, it felt purely emotional, not strategic. And she was upset that Rob voted for Lisa and she just wanted to say, look at this is where I stand. She could have done the same thing later on in the turret and gave it to him.

[B]

Yeah. Once you find out that there's traitor on traitor violence, it's. It's, it's. It's a. It's a wrap for the rest of you. Yeah.

[A]

When the pressure came on Lisa, she just wasn't able to defend against what happened at the banquet. And ultimately, you know, too many people were suspicious and it got her. I'm sad to see her go, but luckily for everyone else, we're gonna be talking to her later in the show and we'll get her viewpoint straight from her.

[B]

I'm so mad at the way that TV is tv, because I don't wanna wait until next week. I wanna hear when they reveal those. They pull their hoods off in the turret. And Candace has the rage. Let me tell you right now, hell hath no fury like a housewife. Slightly inconvenience.

[A]

Slightly. Just a little bit. And what she felt tonight was more than being slightly inconvenienced, I'll tell you that.

[B]

But what you don't have to wait for is the opportunity for us to interview Lisa Rinna. And we're gonna do it right after this. Welcome back, everyone. We are so lucky to be joined by an icon, a legend, and as of last night's roundtable, a revealed traitor. She brought every ounce of her legendary dramatic flair to the most treacherous role in television. The fallout is just the beginning. It's Lisa fucking Rena.

[A]

Hi, Lisa.

[B]

Hi. Oh, my. What a wild ride.

[A]

Lisa, playing a traitor is like a 247 role. It's different. It's. And, you know, being in that turret all the time was the constant deceit of being a traitor, a different kind of pressure for you?

[E]

You know, I think playing the two different roles really, because, you know, you're a traitor, but you're playing a faithful.

[A]

Right?

[E]

So that's what was challenging for me. The deceit of it wasn't really that difficult.

[A]

I knew you were one of us. I knew you were one of us, Lisa.

[E]

I'm so one of you. I loved it.

[B]

The very, very first time you all sit at the round table, you get a tap on your shoulder, that Scottish hand rubs across your Beverly Hills shoulders. What are you thinking?

[E]

In my head, I go, oh, my fucking God, I'm a traitor. Oh, my fucking God, I'm a traitor. Oh, my fucking God, I'm a traitor. That's exactly my response.

[B]

Take us into the turret. Okay, you're in the turret, and it seems like y' all are getting along. You are communicating. You are an effective team.

[A]

You're crushing. They're crushing it.

[B]

You are killing it. But somebody turned their backs on the traitors. What was that moment like?

[E]

The minute you say, we are Kumbaya, we're a team, everything's gonna be great. That is the setup of life. And it was too good to be true, that we were getting along, and it was going along so well. So frankly, I wasn't that surprised. But then again, while you're at the roundtable, you're like that little fucker.

[A]

You know what I wanted to Ask you, Lisa, the face to face murder with Carolyn, she took it so personally. Do you guys have history?

[E]

We do. I gotta say, that was fun. I have to say now, listen, I love Caroline. Why I had such a great time doing that. I don't know, maybe it's the housewife in me. I just loved it.

[B]

I think it's the traitor in you.

[A]

Yeah, I think it's very theatrical. A little bit the housewife, but more the traitor in you.

[E]

Okay, I'll take it. I love it. It was so much fun.

[B]

I want to talk about your amazing entrance at the Black Banquet and we.

[A]

Want to watch it. And I know you haven't seen any of this yet, but we're going to play it for you for the first time.

[E]

This is like the super bowl of murders. I am a lone wolf, but I love nothing more than to be the center of attention. It is going to be the most iconic banquet in Trader history.

[A]

Lisa, I'll tell you what. The way that you tricked Jam Jam to touch the amulet, that was by far my favorite move so far. I thought it was awesome.

[E]

Wow. Coming from you, that is quite a compliment.

[B]

I mean, you're bold to. To do that especially. Cause you had heat on you. And actually the truth is you did it so smooth. You were actually never found out. They thought it was the kiss and it was lit. So you actually ate way harder than anyone gave you credit for.

[E]

Thank you, Bob. It's true. And I knew it. And it was so frustrating when Jam Jam yelled my name at the end because I was like, oh. I knew that that amulet would look so fierce on that outfit. I had to do it. Even though I had heat on me, even though it was gonna be up to me to do the murder in plain sight, I had to do it. I knew I had to do it. It was my moment. And so you know what? I took the risk.

[B]

What are you thinking when Alan Cumming walks in with two antidotes after you've done the deed?

[A]

The look on your face, you are pissed.

[E]

But I'm just like, are you fucking kidding me? After the work I just did? Now we have to do this.

[A]

Lisa, when you're at the roundtable, like, talk a little bit about the feeling that you have. Like, it's super intense. We're both, we've all been there.

[E]

When you get too defensive, that's the worst thing I think you can do at the roundtable.

[A]

Well, we actually have a clip of it.

[B]

Let's take a look.

[D]

Last night, emotions were extremely high. And that Might have brought the worst out of some people, But I think the best thing to do in this situation is to take emotion out of the equation. You guys think Natalie might be a traitor because of this instance? What would her motive be to make a spectacle of herself, especially when she already knows.

[A]

I saw that look.

[D]

She gained from this as a trader. Other than putting a target on her back Logic.

[B]

Lisa's like, you fucking little shit.

[D]

As faithfuls, we are awarded nothing. We have no guarantees. We only have guesses. I can't look at any of you and know 100% if you're lying to my face or not. But we have that with Janet Jam. The last thing he said, Lisa is a traitor.

[B]

So, Lisa, how do you feel watching that?

[E]

I do remember, like, this kind of pit in my stomach. And I was like, that fucker. He's doing it. He's going for it. Look what he's doing. He's literally doing it. That's what was going on. I wasn't that surprised because he already done it the night before. I was pissed off.

[B]

Who's more dangerous, a housewife or a Love island pretty boy?

[E]

I would have said housewife until I was with the pretty boy snake charmer.

[B]

Let's take a look at your exit. You had such a classy exit from the show, and you also got to show a lot of your humanity and your emotions. Let's take a look at that.

[E]

First of all, I have absolutely loved being here with all of you. I never thought I could do this. I never thought I could last this long. What I'm gonna tell you tonight is I am the most iconic, legendary.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

So classy.

[A]

Look at the walk. Look at the strut.

[B]

I know. It's so good.

[E]

It was just so nice to be able to be me. I'm just so grateful for the entire experience.

[B]

Do you have a message for Rob?

[E]

Oh, Rob. Oh, Rob. Candace is coming for you, honey. She is coming for you. For me.

[B]

Wake it up. Don't mess with the housewives. I found that out the hard way.

[A]

Yeah. If you had a chance to go back and do anything different, would you.

[E]

Be honest with you. I don't think I would have done anything differently. I really don't. I had no idea what I was doing. I had no idea how to play this game. I'm all of a sudden a traitor. And I'm actually so proud of myself that I lasted as long as I did.

[A]

You did great. I think you should be proud of yourself.

[E]

Listen, I loved every second of it. I Got the most attention. I love attention more than anybody. I think it was brilliant.

[B]

Thank you, Lisa.

[A]

Thank you, Lisa.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

You are so great. We're gonna miss you.

[B]

So you think you could survive the castle in Scotland? I don't know.

[A]

If you do, you're in luck, because right now, applications are open.

[B]

Yes. And you don't got to be a housewife. You don't got to be from Survivor. You don't got to be on Drag Race. They're open applications. Go to thetradersus.com and apply right now.

[A]

Let's see if you got what it takes.

[B]

It is that time of the show, let me tell you right now. These traitors might be murderous, but these looks are killer. Let's talk about these looks at the Black Banquet. And for those of you who are just listening, if you want to see what we're talking about, check out our video version on peacock or YouTube. I don't think that Kristen can do wrong. Kristen's wearing this beautiful red mock turtleneck garment. She looks stunning always.

[A]

She looks amazing. Really pretty.

[B]

She has. She brings a lot of power to her looks. Yeah.

[A]

Beautiful.

[B]

You know, Johnny Weir is bold. Yeah. I can't say that I love this, but, Johnny, you're still a legend.

[A]

Mark here is wearing, like, a tuxedo from the 1930s. Looks like something from Wild west off.

[B]

Rip Mark's hair is just so good. I mean, I'm jealous. Y' all know I'm bald. I even got a hair transplant surgery. I'm waiting for it to kick in. He does look good, though.

[A]

I mean, he's at the banquet. He looks like the waiter to me. Like, he could be serving.

[C]

Right.

[A]

If you're not paying attention, you could, like, put your plate for Mark, and I'd have some more turkey.

[B]

I have a cabernet, please. Thank you. Oh, my. Maura. Maura. This looks like Mugler. This looks like 1995 straight off the Runway. She looks like a model. This hat, she's got to be picking up at least 57 different channels on this hat. Like, she. I mean, I. This lady gets wi fi. She looks amazing. It's, like, metallic. It looks like armor. She's ready to fly. Fight. God. She looks good.

[A]

She's absolutely beautiful. I will give you that. It's giving Posh spice from the old days.

[B]

That's a compliment.

[A]

But the dress itself kind of looks like C3PO a little bit. Right? Like, straight out of Star wars, the gold guy.

[B]

Well, C3PO is a fashion icon, and I'm glad that You. Well, then.

[A]

Then it's iconic. Great job, Mara.

[B]

I love what Jam Jam's doing here. You can take a blazer and you can make it look really cool by just adding something and taking your shirt off.

[A]

The white suit is good. The. The. The sheep tail rug hanging off the.

[B]

Side, that's Mirabeau or ostrich.

[A]

I mean, it could be an ostrich, it could be a lamb. It could be a bunch of chicken feathers. It could be a lot of different things.

[B]

It might be all those things.

[A]

It might be.

[B]

Natalie looks like a warrior. I mean, a lot of them are trying to. I feel like they're taking their. They're using their look to imply something. And Natalie, this makes her look strong. This makes her look powerful. I don't particularly love this look, but I love the message that it's sending. Lisa fucking Rinna. I mean, even you can acknowledge even this is dramatic. This is so epic. She looks so good. It's kind of giving Anything Goes meets My Fair Lady. It's this black and white duochromatic corset with these big poofy shoulders, these crazy ruffly cuffs on her wrist, this cute little, like, sailorish type hat. I love this. I hate to admit this Rob looks amazing. I never knew what they were seeing in Rob. I now see it, and I gotta be honest.

[C]

Hold on.

[A]

Are we on the right side here?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is what you think is amazing?

[B]

Oh, this is great. It shows his tattoos perfectly. Leave your overalls back in Alabama. I am normally a Candace. Stan. She looks like the Queen of the Damned. I don't love this look. It looks like this headpiece is creeping down her neck and trying to kill her.

[A]

I agree with that. And also, like, her hair is too much in the front.

[B]

That's a good note. Yeah, that's a really good note.

[A]

Maybe if she pulled it back, it would look better. But the headpiece is still ugly, but with the hair forward, it's. It's too much.

[B]

I'm. I'm proud of you, my man. I'm proud of you. Let's keep cooking. Alan is giving homage to his true Scottish culture. Allen's commitment to dramatic is so great, and I gotta tell you, he was very intimidating in this look. All right, who's your favorite of the week?

[A]

My favorite of the week was a tribute to George Lucas, and I'm going with Star Wars C3PO. Maura.

[B]

Oh, my God. We have agreed again.

[A]

Stop.

[B]

Yes. Maura, you are the traitor's Fashionista of the Week. Congratulations. It's honestly, it's a better honor than winning the whole season.

[A]

Well, you know, Bob, I could go on all night talking about the looks, but I think it's time for our final thought. Let's talk about what we think is coming next.

[B]

This is the part of the episode where we both get to have the final word. First up, let's talk traitors and victims. If they don't kill Eric, Mark, or Steven next, I think they're fools.

[A]

I want Natalie. Natalie is such an aggressive, faithful.

[B]

She got a little heat, though.

[A]

She got a little heat, but, like, I feel like she got vindicated.

[B]

Yeah, she did.

[A]

Like, so. I mean, now she's going to keep cruising.

[B]

Colton needs to chill out.

[A]

He really does. You guys got away with so much.

[B]

And you got one good win. Let it go now.

[A]

Let it go.

[B]

Let someone else do the heavy lifting. Ain't a big guy. You don't gotta do everything, big guy.

[A]

He's not gonna. That's my prediction.

[B]

I mean, he's not gonna leave it alone. He's already going after Steven.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's just to large groups, by the way. It's never enough that you bring one person. It's like, hey, everyone.

[A]

Everybody over here. Oh, yeah, I have an announcement.

[B]

I'm talking about Steven now. You know what I mean?

[A]

So.

[B]

I don't know. I don't. I think Colton's short for this. He's not long for this world.

[A]

I agree. After you and I drew first blood in the turret last season, there was no repairing that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That turret was fractured and it imploded. I don't know whether Candace and Rob can put their differences aside.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I tend to think because of history. No. But maybe they're bigger people.

[B]

I don't see Rob backing off of his plan, whatever it is. And I don't see Candace letting go of how hurt and upset she is by him turning on Lisa.

[A]

I agree. There was an emotional vote tonight, and whenever people are emotional, their decisions are skewed. She's going to have to get past that if they're going to work together.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Thank you guys so much for watching. Make sure to watch episode eight of the traitors only on peacock next Thursday.

[B]

And you can find us on the traders official podcast dropping at the for every episode on peacock YouTube and you can listen and follow wherever you get your podcast so you never miss an episode.

[A]

We'll see you guys.

[B]

Bye. Don't die.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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