Murder at Face Value

Summary

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The Traitors Official Podcast (USG Audio)

Episode: Murder at Face Value

Date: January 16, 2026
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Boston Rob
Special Guest: Monet X Change

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Episode Overview

This episode, "Murder at Face Value," features deep-dive commentary on episodes 4 and 5 of The Traitors US Season 4. Hosts Bob the Drag Queen and Boston Rob recap and analyze gameplay twists, roundtable confrontations, and fashion moments. The discussion spotlights reactions to the season’s first “face-to-face murder,” critical player decisions, rising tensions at the roundtable, and a post-elimination interview with guest Monet X Change. The hosts dissect strategy, personality clashes, and the evolving dynamics in Alan Cumming’s castle with signature wit and shade.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Opening Banter and Set-Up

• The hosts embrace their roles as "the most iconic people from the show and best dressed," promising humor and honesty as they recap (00:14-00:40).
• They preview the focus on episodes 4 and 5, especially the drama of the face-to-face murder (00:40-00:57).

Episode 4 Breakdown: Face-to-Face Murder

• First Face-to-Face Murder:
  • Bob laments never getting to do one as a Traitor, praising the drama and emotional stakes (00:57-01:15).
  • The hosts critique contestants’ pleas for mercy and the intense personal fallout, particularly Caroline’s anger at Lisa Rinna (01:25-02:11).
  • “Caroline was like, honey, I don’t beg for nothing… but ask for a ride to the airport.” - Bob (01:25)
• Housewives Alliance Fractures:
  • Boston Rob and Bob discuss how reality TV alliances (housewives, etc.) create deeper wounds when broken (01:44-02:08).
• Strategic Kills:
  • Both hosts agree Eric or Caroline would have been smart targets, while Ron is “untouchable” for now due to social dynamics (02:30-03:01).
  • “Killing Ron would have been a terrible idea. Ron could have said anything and they would never get rid of Ron.” - Bob (02:56)

Standout Players & Gameplay Analysis

• Candace’s Gameplay:
  • Bob gushes over Candace’s campy, deceptive performance: “You are the theater, the camp, the deception… she is ruling this turret.” (03:04)
• Faithfuls’ Faulty Conviction:
  • The hosts marvel at how confidently wrong most Faithfuls are this season—especially Ron’s ever-shifting accusations (04:59-05:12).
  • “Ron has switched it three times, but wrong every time.” - Boston Rob (05:09)
• Michael and Ron’s Public Personas:
  • Michael’s boisterous approach puts him at risk (“either a terrible traitor or a bad faithful”) – Boston Rob (05:27-05:55).

Mission Highlights & Social Tensions

• Spear Challenge:
  • The yelling of names is cited as a memorable moment, notably Tiffany’s intense shout at Monet (06:13).
  • Bob critiques Monet’s strategic slip in revealing her suspicions, likened to a mistake Jeremy made in Bob’s own season (06:50-07:01).
  • Rob praises Bob’s deflection tactic at the roundtable during their own season as a model response (07:01-07:29).

The Roundtable — Fireworks and Fallout

• Tiffany vs. Colton:
  • The roundtable exchange between Tiffany and Colton is highlighted for its intensity and memorable quips (07:35-09:14).
  • “Do you have two Fs in your name or just one?” - Colton (08:28)
• How Defensiveness Backfires:
  • Both hosts note mirroring accusations as a game mistake: “One of the worst things you can do is just mirror that reaction and accuse the same person.” - Boston Rob (09:14)
• Exit Lines & Drama:
  • Tiffany’s exit after being banished earns praise for its theatricality:
    “That exit line was magnificent. She took them on a journey.” - Bob (11:19)
  • Eric's eavesdropping and comments credited with "burying her" (11:54-11:59).

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Episode 5 Breakdown: New Paranoia & Another Murder

• Colton and Ron—Suspect Hunters:
  • Colton’s string of aggressive, incorrect accusations earns concern and amusement:
    “He does have egg on his face, but he doesn’t seem to care. He’s like, ‘I need eggs in my diet.’” - Bob (13:34)
  • Ron’s scattershot suspicions continue, now targeting Dorinda (14:14-14:49).
• The Mission: Heavy Statues & Tempting Shields:
  • Both hosts reminisce about the grueling statue mission and debate the strategy of taking shields (15:13-16:20).
  • “If I’m a Faithful, I want the shield. If I’m a Traitor, I’m not going to push the agenda.” - Boston Rob (15:54)
• Castle Politics Post-Missions:
  • Ron directly confronts Dorinda—a notably risky move (16:24-16:32).
  • Rob and Candace praised for sitting back as the Faithfuls attack each other—“the Traitors are really on easy street this season” (14:54-15:05).

Second Roundtable of the Week

• Michael Rappaport’s Meltdown:
  • Michael goes “full tilt,” alienating everyone at the roundtable with personal attacks (17:15-17:54).
  • “Not only did he dig his own grave, he filled it in for himself.” - Bob (18:11)
  • Michael is ultimately banished to little surprise.

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Guest Segment: Monet X Change

[Joined at 18:54]

• Monet reflects on her murder in-game, preferring the drama of being banished over being murdered (“It’s like the coward’s way out… at the roundtable, I’ll get buckwild and crazy.” - Monet, 19:45).
• She shares her initial desire to be a Traitor for more control, but as a Faithful aimed to build a strong core alliance (20:37-21:07).
• Monet discusses the psychodynamics of alliances, her game regrets, and the intensity of roundtable pressure (19:51-20:14; 23:56-24:25).

Memorable Exchange: Housewives Etiquette

• “You are literally not allowed to say, I just don’t know who you are. That’s the biggest insult you can give a housewife.” - Bob (21:38)
• Monet and hosts joke about BravoCon fashion, rivalries, and unwritten “commandments” of reality TV hierarchy (21:56-22:13).

Exit Reaction Clip

• The podcast plays Monet’s reaction upon finding out she was murdered; Monet jokes about haunting the castle and leaving “ectoplasm on all these hoes” (23:09-23:12).
• “If I didn’t trust Candace, I would have maybe still been there, and I would have had a whole different trajectory in the show.” - Monet (23:42)

Fashion Deep Dive

• Monet breaks down her own looks, Dorinda’s “high fashion lawyer” vibe, Alan Cumming’s Hunger Games-inspired tailoring, and Kristen Kitsch’s “dope lesbian power suits” (27:07-31:06).
• Shade thrown at Lisa for downplaying Monet’s fashion:
  “As if it wasn’t enough to murder me, she has to come for my fashion, too.” – Monet (25:23)
• The hosts and Monet agree Dorinda’s outfit wins the week—with Monet crowning herself for her elimination blazer (32:00-32:25).

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On strategy and drama:
  • “If you’re going to backstab, at least have fun while you’re doing it.” — Bob (02:21)
  • “The Faithfuls are doing all the work to kill each other, and the Traitors are just sitting back.” — Boston Rob (15:00)
• About roundtable pressure:
  • “There’s like an adrenaline rush. You’re like, oh, I gotta fight now. Now I got to fight.” — Bob (08:39)
• Fashion critique:
  • “It’s like businessman gets off work, but then wears his wife’s corset.” — Bob on Monet’s look (27:17)
  • “Sometimes, Rob, you wear a corset on the outside…” — Monet (28:00)
• Self-aware shade:
  • “Not everyone is built like us, Bob. Not everybody wants to fight.” — Boston Rob (10:04)
• Alliance analysis:
  • “Kristen has not stuck her neck out there yet… They’re going to give Kristen the benefit of the doubt…” — Bob (14:49)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:57-03:01: Face-to-face murder dissection
• 04:59-05:55: Faithfuls’ paranoia & Michael’s gameplay
• 07:35-09:14: Roundtable drama—Tiffany vs. Colton
• 11:19: Tiffany’s epic exit speech
• 13:04-14:49: Colton and Ron’s missteps, Faithfuls in disarray
• 15:13-16:20: Mission—statues and shield strategy
• 17:15-18:11: Michael Rappaport’s roundtable downfall
• 18:54-26:41: Monet X Change guest interview
• 27:07-32:47: Fashion critique featuring Monet
• 33:06-35:07: Closing predictions and MVP picks

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Flow & Tone

The hosts maintain a high-energy, irreverent, and shade-filled dynamic, blending ruthless gameplay critique with drag/reality TV wit. The playful rivalry between Bob and Monet injects extra warmth and humor into the guest segment, balanced by Boston Rob’s deadpan realism.

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Predictions & MVPs

• Both hosts see Candace and Rob R. as standouts, with Candace praised for risk-taking and Rob for his low-key, under-the-radar play.
• Lisa is singled out as in danger but entertaining; Monet’s fashion is lauded even in defeat (33:37-34:10).
• The Traitors, particularly Rob and Candace, are praised for mastery over castle chaos (34:20).

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Conclusion

This episode offers a lively, insightful breakdown of The Traitors US, blending serious strategic analysis with generous helpings of style commentary, reality TV etiquette, and plenty of read-worthy banter. The Monet X Change interview adds behind-the-scenes nuance and the all-important glam critique, making it a must-listen for fans who crave both gameplay and fashion drama.

Transcript

[A]

Foreign. Welcome to the official Traitors podcast for season four. My name is Bob the Drag Queen.

[B]

I'm Boston Rob.

[A]

And we are going to dissect the living. Yes, the living. We're going to exhume the graves of the dead. We are going to dive deep into what makes someone a traitor and what makes someone a faithful and. And what makes them good. Now we are two of the most. Can I say it? Iconic.

[B]

Say it. Say it.

[A]

The most iconic people from the show.

[B]

And best dressed.

[A]

And obviously I. I'm going to go ahead and say it now. I see the vision now, my man.

[B]

I'm excited to break down these episodes with you. We have episode four and five coming up next. Stay tuned. Let's get into it. Episode 4. We Gotta Talk about this face to face murder.

[A]

I. First of all, I hate that I never got to do a face to face murder. I loved the nastiness of it. It was so fun for me. And I got emotional a few times, but I watched those to the side and said, girl, I'm here to cause a scene. So let's discuss. They're making their case. They're pleading to the traitors. These are not great.

[B]

I didn't like the pleas. Number one. First of all, you're playing for your life. But then you throw in the caveat, and if you don't, I'm going to come back and ruin everything for you.

[A]

Caroline was like, honey, I don't beg for nothing. I don't ask nobody, but, okay, well, bitch. But ask for a ride to the airport.

[B]

You could see that she took it very personal.

[A]

Why was she so mad at Lisa? Rinna Riddle, you bitch. What out of. Because I think she was saying, because she's a housewife. I was like, candace is a housewife too. Why aren't you mad at her?

[B]

I think that's, like, part of it, though. Like, the housewives, they feel like they should be sticking together, just like the reality people.

[A]

And.

[B]

And when one does the other one dirty, they take it personal. I'm not talking to you, Tony, but I'm just throwing it out there.

[A]

So. No, she's really mad at Rinna. She kind of doesn't give Rob or Candace any heat. She just zoned in on and Lisa doesn't give a fuck.

[B]

Lisa's like, they might have history.

[A]

I'll see you at Bravocon. No, you won't. She's like, honey, if you can even.

[B]

Get through the door, she is definitely taking it to the next level. You can tell that she's enjoying this and I.

[A]

That's what I'm saying, guys. If you're going to be the turret, if you're going to have to murder, if you're going to have to backstab, at least have fun while you're doing it, you know?

[B]

Yeah, I had a great time. Just saying. So do you think it was a good kill? You think like they, they murdered the right person?

[A]

I mean, I would have killed Eric just because he's so sweet and charming. I mean, with his brilliant ears, apparently. I mean, he's never going to get banished. But also I think Caroline was also never going to get banished either. So I would have chosen either, either Caroline or Eric.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

Killing Ron would have been a terrible idea. Ron could have said anything and they would never get rid of Ron.

[B]

I think Ron's gonna just keep on going.

[A]

Let me tell you right now, Candace, if you're watching, I'm your biggest fucking fan. You are the theater, the camp, the deception that she is ruling this turret.

[B]

I love the way Candace is playing. I also love the way Rob R. Is playing. I think he's doing a fabulous job of staying low key and still being level headed and playing both sides. And I think he's doing a great job.

[A]

No shade. Lisa's not doing great.

[B]

Here's the thing about Lisa. She's coming into the castle. She has an established personality. People, people know her, she's a big character. So when she comes in and she's, you know, labeled a traitor by Alan, she has to now decide whether she's gonna keep with that personality or if she's gonna be quiet about it.

[A]

I wanna get into breakfast. Monet decides that she wants to do a little quiz on, on everyone who was tied to a tree last night. She's gonna ask if you want smooth, smart move and see who can corroborate the stories. But also make sure no one is feeding others information. I think that's actually a pretty good idea. You know what I mean?

[B]

I thought it was a great idea. And they start going through the stories and you know, Ron's first and he tells the story what happened, the traitor.

[A]

But no one believes him.

[B]

What kind of.

[A]

Nobody believes anything he said.

[B]

Nobody believed him. And even after the fact, when Lisa goes and tells the story and she talks about the ax, I remember somebody looked back and said, well, did Ron mention the ax? Like they're looking to pin it on Ron.

[A]

What was really kind of great, another smart move Monet did, she goes, oh, with the gold mask. And then Lisa goes, it was Black. I mean, Monet is trying to get someone on something, but unfortunately for her, Lisa got to see everything. Yeah. As Colton says later, she's three times. Three times. When Lisa tells her story, Ron's like, yeah, that's true. He's like, yeah, I'm gonna corroborate her story. He's commiserating with Lisa, so he kind of brings heat off.

[B]

It's amazing to me, the conviction that the Faithfuls have this season on how. How much they just absolutely know who a traitor is.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I mean, Ron has switched it three times, but wrong. Every time.

[A]

Every time.

[B]

But if you listen to him, you're going to believe him because he believes himself.

[A]

So when they calls out Michael, everyone calls out Michael. I think that I don't care if Michael is good, if Michael is bad. They do not want Michael in this case, Castle.

[B]

Well, Michael's loud. He's out there. I remember when we were in the Castle, Bob, Tom Sandoval, at every opportunity, he would stop mean mugging. You look in your eye like he's looking for something, like he's an investigative reporter. And I remember at one point somebody said, like, you're either a terrible traitor or you're bad faithful. And I feel like that applies to Michael because he's just so obnoxious towards everyone.

[A]

So during this challenge, they have to take these spears that they find in the woods. By the way, these woods are disgusting.

[B]

Wasn't that bad four seasons to you? I mean, it is the middle of the summer, and it's cold in Scotland, But I mean, I mean, we have different barometers. Different barometers for how bad the woods were for me.

[A]

Central park is a little too earthy. Okay. So they have to take these spears, and you. You get to yell the name of someone whose shield you want to burn. My favorite yell the way Tiffany yelled, Monet. That is burned into. As she plunges that spear into her shield. That was so good. And she was pissed. Tiffany is Monet. It really upset her that Monet called her name. The thing is, so Tiffany is so off. The biggest mistake made during this challenge was when Monet tells Candace that she's on Talisa.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is a mistake that Jeremy made during my season.

[B]

Jeremy made it? Yeah.

[A]

He told. Were you in the car with us? He just mentioned that he was on to Danielle, and I was like, well, you gotta go. Yeah, Danielle's my ride or die. You gotta go. You know what I mean?

[B]

It's hard, too, because as a trader, as soon as you hear that Someone else is saying your name, you immediately, the most immediate reaction is, I want them out of the house. Where actually, that power, if you harness it, you can potentially use that in a different way. I remember you did it brilliantly at the round table when Dylan came after you the first time. And then afterwards, you went back and defused the situation.

[A]

It's time to talk about the drama, the round table.

[B]

You're the traitor that I'm going after tonight.

[C]

Ian and Rob were my number one. I would not go for a gamer. Jam. Jam would.

[B]

I wouldn't.

[A]

Because I'm not a traitor.

[C]

I'm not talking to you. I'm not talking to you right now, and I'm not thinking.

[B]

We are talking to each other.

[A]

I mean, it's almost halfway there.

[C]

Actually talking to Colton.

[A]

Oh, that was such a good moment.

[C]

I did suggest Ron Jam, Jam Michael.

[A]

That's who.

[B]

It was all wrong.

[C]

Have always been on the table, and I was not so sure about jam, Jam. And now I'm talking to you.

[B]

I like the way you say it, but I'll talk to you now.

[A]

I think you are a traitor.

[B]

Write my name down. I'll write it right now. That's interesting, too.

[A]

Like, you never. They would never kill her. She's too good.

[B]

Why would they kill her?

[C]

I would never write it.

[A]

Great. Do you have two Fs in your name or just one? That was so c. Oh, God. I'm not smart, so I have to.

[C]

Well, you got it now.

[A]

So Tiffany v. Colton is so first of all, y', all, when you're at the round table and someone says your name, first of all, you feel for me, there's like a. There's like an adrenaline rush. You're like, oh, I gotta fight now. Now I got to fight. I got to fight these motherfuckers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you start thinking, and then you get really defensive because you need people to not believe it. You can't. Yeah. It's like, guys, you cannot believe this. This guy is a liar. He's crazy. He's insane. He's misinformed. He does not. He's misguided. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

[B]

I noticed when Tiffany goes after jam, jam, jam, Jam, turns right around and goes back at Tiffany. That's like a huge, huge mistake. Whether you're guilty or not. And they're both faithful. Right. So that's crazy. But one of the worst things you can do is just mirror that reaction and accuse the same person. If you want to get the target off, you you have to direct it somewhere else.

[A]

Tiffany, her one liners. And Colton actually has a good one.

[B]

Colton's comeback is good.

[A]

She says now that two Fs or one girl, that was great, cuz, you know, cuz I'm stupid. I said, oh, girl. Honestly. He got to gather. He got to gather with that one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She is going full scorch, mama. I know the feeling. I know the feeling. Trust me. But you gotta dial it back or you gotta crank it up and you don't know which one to do at what time.

[B]

It's a situation where you have a captive audience. Everybody else at the roundtable's paying attention. And you have to be careful because in that moment, that's a lot of pressure. Right. You mentioned something earlier. You wanna fight? Not everybody's built like us, Bob. Not everybody wants to fight.

[A]

All right, let's look at this clip.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Do you know her?

[A]

No. No, I don't. I don't watch. She's. She's big brother. Yeah. I don't know.

[B]

I never saw. But I heard she's a great big brother player.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, poor Candace. Candace is really ate up by this one. They really her up.

[B]

Tiffany, are you a faithful or a traitor? Ron, man, what's Alan got going on with the one eyebrow thing?

[A]

Someone with no eyebrows.

[C]

Because not everyone will understand her exit wireless. I am truly proud of the way I play this game. And you all should be proud of yourselves, too, because you have proved that you get what you deserve and.

[A]

And you all don't deserve me.

[C]

I am a faithful.

[A]

Yeah. Eric with the golden ears. With the ears of a God. Okay. That exit line was magnificent. She took them on a journey. She was like. She made them think she was a traitor. Then that she was a faithful, then she was a traitor. She goes, you prove that you get what you deserve.

[B]

It was an epic.

[A]

That you all deserve me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, she wasn't good because she was off on everything, but she was great tv. She looked stunning.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I got to say, Colton dug her grave. Eric fills it in.

[B]

Eric buried her for sure. I think, like, his ears and what he heard and saying that to the group, that was the final nail in the coffin. And, you know, I don't know Tiffany personally, but I hear she's an unbelievable game player. I've said it over and over. Traders is by far the hardest strategic game there is. So I would hold your head high, you know, like you got done in by somebody that heard something that wasn't. And ultimately it got you all Right now, let's talk about episode five.

[A]

Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to celebrate the life of my younger sister, Monet X Change, who has been reheating my nachos for years on RuPaul's Drag Race. And now on the Traitors. You were lovely. You were great, but you just didn't make it, love. She made it one episode further than me, though.

[B]

She did. She did. Is there discourse there between the two of you?

[A]

You know, she let me know that she made it further than me, but I was like, that's not a high bar. Like, bitch, I didn't make it that fucking. You know what I mean?

[B]

But what about Colton? Colton comes back. He just leads his charge against Tiffany. He's wrong. What's his feeling coming down to breakfast the next morning?

[A]

Well, oddly enough, he feels bad, but he's like, I'm gonna keep doing it. And then he is wrong again. I'm like, you gotta pump the brakes. You are getting a lot of attention to yourself. And by the end of this episode, we see it's not panning out. He is. I would say him and Ron are now the two hottest names in everyone's mouth.

[B]

Do people think that Colton's a traitor?

[A]

I mean, they do. I mean, he does have egg on his face, but he doesn't seem to care. He's like, I need eggs in my diet. He's like, I don't give a fuck on my face. Throw another one. Let's make an omelet. He just doesn't care. I'm like, girl, slow. Do at least do it every other roundtable now.

[B]

He's easy. He's got the foot to the. You know, pedal to the middle of the middle.

[A]

He's going all in. Candace does not like that. She's the reason. 1. It seemed to bother Candace that Monet is the. That she's the reason, because she told on Monet. So after breakfast, you know, Allen smashes it. He's really brutal this season.

[B]

A lot. Real harder. You know, he's been lifting. I heard he's been lifting, you know, and he's like, down with those frames.

[A]

He's doing some WWF stone cold stunner DDT that people's elbow. He's going crazy. So we get back in the castle. Ron will not quit. Ron is so, so bad at collecting evidence. He is now convinced that it's Darinda. He's like, I know it. So Kristen is now floating around Colton's name. He's doing too much. He's doing too Much. And I believe that because Kristen has not stuck her neck out there yet. They're going to listen to her. They're going to listen to Colton a little bit less. Like, well, you don't know. You're wrong. They're not listening to Ron. He's wrong. Kristen's not done it yet.

[B]

No.

[A]

So they're going to give Kristen. They might give Kristen the benefit of the doubt at the next roundtable.

[B]

The Traders are really on easy street this season, it feels like.

[A]

I'm just saying.

[B]

I'm just saying. The Faithfuls are doing all the work to kill each other, and the Traders.

[A]

Are just sitting back during this mission. They have to go get these statues. And y', all. These things are heavy.

[B]

Heavy.

[A]

The ones we had, I don't know what y' all think they are. They are heavy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They're genuinely. It is gruesome, grueling work. And under every statue, there is a shield. Under some.

[B]

There's four shields right at the very end. The last two, there were four shields.

[A]

They have currently raised $106,000.

[B]

It feels like a lot.

[A]

They're doing great. Yeah.

[B]

We didn't do anything close to that.

[A]

I think this is how much our entire pot was. And they're only on episode five. So top of the mission, everyone just kind of agrees, like, we're not going to take a. We're not going to take a shield. Right.

[B]

Interesting. It was collectively agreed. We're not taking it. We're all going to like. To me, if I'm a Faithful and I see a shield, I'm getting the shield.

[A]

If I'm a traitor, I would be like, yeah, guys, no shield. But then once I'm out in the field, I'm going to be like, we.

[B]

Need to start grabbing exactly the same. I'm in the same camp. If I'm a Faithful, I want the shield. If I'm a traitor, I'm not going to push the agenda.

[A]

Or maybe I could even just encourage someone else to take it. If I can encourage Colton's fears, I think it's bad.

[B]

I'm going to disagree with you because I just think you're putting unnecessary attention on yourself.

[A]

When we're back in the castle, Ron. Oh, my God.

[B]

Like, Ron's got it figured out again.

[A]

Ron convinces Dorinda. Ron is now calling out Dorinda to her face.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

What is he thinking?

[B]

You could make a case against Dorinda. Like I said. Yeah, she's still here. She's back playing two seasons in a row. And I think like, there is some logic that people would tie onto who but going directly to her to push that agenda. I wouldn't do it.

[A]

Him and CO are just lobbing grenades in every direction possible and just hit. Hitting innocent people every single time, by the way.

[B]

And Rob and. And Candace and Lisa just watching it.

[A]

Happen, just like, ooh, there's another grenade. Ooh, there's some more shrapnel flying. So Candace begins a round table. I love the way she holds court. Candace, you are such an icon. Michael is, like, when I say fighting for his life, this might be one of the hardest fights for life I've ever seen.

[B]

Right. I mean, I think it started before they even got to the roundtable, though. Michael started to feel the heat. Okay. He's, like, outlandish. He's using everybody's face. He's obnoxious. That only lasts so long. But now he feels like a corner dog, and he's going to have to fight for his life.

[A]

And I think he fought a little too hard. I can say from experience that when you take personal digs at people, it does change the ph balance of the room. Yeah. When I took a dig at Zac Efron, people were like, hey. And I was like, it was such a light dig. Michael Rapoport's dig was not light.

[B]

It got to the point where it made everybody uncomfortable. It's like, as players, you determine where the line in the sand is, and it feels like everybody stood up at that moment and said, you cross the line.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Whatever it is, we're done.

[A]

When people say, I don't even care if you're innocent or if you're a faithful trade, we just don't want to play with you. Not only did he dig his own grave, he filled it in for himself.

[B]

He was doing a lot.

[A]

He did all the work for Colton. Colton could have just sat back and.

[B]

Been like, well, so regardless of why they voted him out, he's gone.

[A]

You know, in the least shocking finale since Titanic, Michael Rappaport has gone home. Okay. I mean, that was obviously a crazy roundtable. Michael Rappaport is gone. I'm sure everyone in the castle is very happy, but don't go away, because we're going to be right back with a very recent murder victim, Monet X Change.

[B]

A drag race superstar that went from a top six finish to an all star crown.

[A]

And I got to say, I'm happy to be doing this podcast with you. Might be the favorite person I've ever done a podcast with. And we are now with the Second best host of civic rivalry, Monet Xtane.

[B]

Oh, man. I felt like I was just thrown under the bus.

[D]

You were. You were ro.

[A]

I just love doing a podcast. It feels nice to do a podcast with someone who's, like, just so into it and just good and just. You're just a great podcast co host. I'm just grateful to see what it's like now.

[D]

You know, I'm so happy that I inhaled and exhaled before I stepped in today. I'm in a calm place. You're not going to take me here. I'm happy to be with a legend.

[B]

My man gone too soon. Very still lasted longer than Bar.

[A]

And you know what?

[D]

And that is always gonna be my crowning achievement.

[A]

You're one episode.

[D]

Yes. Longer than you.

[A]

All right, so, Mo, you've been murdered.

[D]

I know. I'm so mad about it.

[A]

Would you rather be murdered or banished, though?

[D]

I would rather be banished because at least I can go out fighting. When you're murdered. It is.

[B]

That's what I feel. I feel that, too.

[D]

Yeah. It's like the coward's way out. I'm like, oh, y' all wanna murder me? Cause y' all know at the roundtable, I'll get buckwild and crazy. I don't think people at home understand the energy at the roundtable is so intense. It's so like you feel like you are just a rat in a bucket, scratching to get out of there. Like, that's the energy it has. And I would have fought to stay as hard as I could.

[B]

I think, actually, from watching, from my point of view as a faithful, the way you played, I thought you were playing perfectly, which is why I think you were murdered. Cause I thought you were doing a good job, like, getting in there, but not doing too much. And I think as a faithful, that's the correct way to play the game.

[A]

What's your strategy going in? Do you want to be a traitor? Do you want to be a faithful? Are you going to be quiet? What's your plan as you roll up in the Rovers? Okay.

[D]

When I roll up in the Rover, first of all, I was like, these cars are nice. What I really wanted to be, I wanted to be a traitor because I was like, I feel like you're just in more control. You control the game more and you, like, you know everything. Whereas being a faithful, you are walking blindly and just hoping that you are, like, you're sniffing out the right thing. When I was deemed a faithful, I was like, my thing is, I'm gonna find four People. And I'm gonna say to them, whether you're a traitor or faithful, I don't know what you are. Whatever it is, I trust you. And I wanna go to the end of the game with you, Which I did.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

See, I think that's correct. Going into the show, did you know anyone? Did you have any prior relationships?

[D]

So, you know, I'm a big Survivor watcher. Love the Survivor Boston Rob. I was hoping they'll bring you back for the second season. I was like, I'm gonna ditch my wagon to you. Cause my sister didn't listen to my ideas. So I was very familiar with Natalie's game. I'm familiar with her and Survivor and Jam. Jam. And I think those were the only. I didn't know any of the housewives besides Zarinda from the previous season.

[A]

You're not allowed to tell housewives. You don't know them. I'm telling you, they don't like that.

[B]

They don't like that.

[A]

You can call them any name, apparently, and they do to each other. You are literally not allowed to say, I just don't know who you are. That's the biggest insult you can give a housewife. Apparently.

[D]

It's a golden rule.

[A]

I can't even walk through BravoCon. I get a text.

[D]

I think it's the 11th Commandment. You cannot thou shalt not tell a housewife. They don't know who they are.

[A]

You don't know who they are. Exactly.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

How did no one in the castle know that Tara Lipinski and Jenny were friends? I don't understand how you. Like.

[B]

I'm not even, like, I don't even like Olympics figure skaters.

[A]

Yeah, they're both Olympic figure skaters.

[B]

Like, even I know that.

[D]

No, I just thought. I was like, oh, they both skate sometimes.

[A]

Maybe.

[D]

They seem to have, like, hey, girl.

[B]

See, like, I feel like on Traders, the gamers are grouped, the housewives are grouped. We have two Olympic figure skaters. They gotta be grouped.

[A]

They have to be grouped. They're like besties.

[D]

So many people have skated and won medals. I don't think they were.

[B]

My goodness. He's arguing the opposite.

[A]

I know.

[B]

This is why this is not good. So we have a clip for you. You haven't seen this yet, but this is the moment when you find out you're murdered.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

And then the fallout at the breakfast the next morning. Let's check it out. It's gotta be Monet.

[C]

He said Lisa, and if he didn't.

[D]

Say me, I would not pick him tonight.

[A]

Kept your Mouth shut. He did.

[B]

I think our hands are tied.

[C]

I do, too.

[A]

Monet, you force her hand.

[D]

Damn, damn, damn. They got you, girl. Dear Monet, they took my shirt, too. Perpetrators, you have been murdered.

[A]

I'm gonna haunt these hallways.

[B]

I love it.

[D]

Ectoplasm on all these hoes.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Damn.

[A]

I mean, you were onto them. I'm shaking all over my body. That was horrible.

[D]

That's fucked up.

[A]

Here comes.

[C]

I know that I swore an oath of treachery and ruthlessness and all of that, but murdering Monet sucks because he trusted me. Should we raise a glass to him?

[D]

Yeah, let's raise the glass.

[B]

The best dressed. That's for sure. One of the best dressed. Oh, man.

[A]

How does it feel watching that?

[D]

Oh, my God. It really.

[A]

What? It does.

[D]

I'm like, damn, if I didn't trust Candace, I would have maybe still been there, and I would have had a whole different trajectory in the show.

[A]

But you can't. It put. You can't play the what if? And if I had only. I mean, we've done this. Oh, my God. For the past year, over and over. What if? What if?

[B]

I have no regrets. For the record. For the record, none. So when you walk into the room and you see the chair and you see the letter, what's your first feeling?

[D]

My first feeling is instant regret. Because I think the reason that I am here getting murdered is because I got Tiffany eliminated yesterday. I think that for some reason, because of my reasonings at the round table, I think that the traitors were like, oh, she's smart. We gotta get her out of here.

[A]

Did you feel bad about the Tiffany thing?

[D]

I did feel bad. I felt really bad. Like, that's another one of those moments, right? I was like. It felt so visceral. I was like, yo, she is pleading for her life, basically.

[A]

Tell me the difference between how it feels to banish a faithful and how it feels to banish a traitor.

[D]

So when you banish a faithful, it feels like a gut punch. Cause you're like, y'.

[B]

All.

[D]

They like these 3, 4. However many of them are up there, they are, like, just taking us out one by one, and we are infighting, and we can't keep it together. But when you banish a traitor, baby, man, feels good. When Mama Kelsey sashayed away, I was like, mm, Taylor gonna be mad. But yes, honey, she is gone. Dig dong. Which is gone. So when you, like, get a trait out of there, like, that feels so. It feels almost as sweet as St. Lucia.

[A]

I don't know if this is shade or not. But when you were. After you were being murdered, someone in the house said, let's give it up for Monet. She was the best dressed in the house. And then Lisa goes, one of the best dressed. Mm. Like, did that have to be said?

[D]

As if it wasn't enough to murder me, she has to come for my fashion, too. Lisa, you have crossed the line, and there is no coming back. I will never forgive you. You can murder me, you can banish me, but talk about my fashion.

[B]

Lisa, Lisa's not making friends.

[D]

Who's better dressed, me or Bob?

[B]

Oh, you for sure. I mean, well, today I'm not saying Bob looked like he got a picnic tablecloth on. I didn't say that, but I would never say. A few people said it wasn't me. If you had a chance to go back and do anything differently, is there anything you might. I mean, not the obvious, so not. Not tell Candace, but, like, is there anything that you would have done differently with your journey?

[D]

I think what I would do is wait a little further on in the game to be a little more vocal. I think I was doing a. A decent job, but I think I. If the line of. Of. Of playing middle of the road is hair, I think I was here just a little bit, and I think I needed to ride hair a little bit more and be vocal a little a little later on.

[B]

Winning Traders would have been great. I know that. Bob knows that. But the second best thing, you lasted longer than Bob and Rob.

[A]

That forever interception.

[D]

My pride and joy.

[A]

And on that note, does that make.

[D]

You upset that it lasted longer than you?

[A]

No, because I had a bigger impact. I was also mentioning every episode. Not a big deal. It's not a competition.

[D]

I don't think so.

[A]

It's not a competition, but I am winning. It's false, as Lisa said. Since Lisa has deemed you one of the best dressed in the house, do you want to stick around and talk about her fashion with us?

[D]

Oh, I would love to. I would relish the moment.

[B]

All right, I'm done at this part, Right? You just know, guys, I'll just stay here and watch.

[A]

We got to critique some of these baseball caps.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Welcome back to the official Traders podcast. And now it's time to talk everything fashion. Honey. Monet, we. We need your opinions on this.

[D]

Yes, please. I love to give them.

[A]

So Monet decided to go with a corset, like a. Like a tartan plaid corset over like a businessman look. It's like, businessman gets off work, but then wears his wife's corset. Yes. What made you tuck the tie in?

[D]

Um, I tuck the tie in. I don't know why I took the tie in. I just.

[A]

I just.

[D]

It was just a vibe, but I.

[A]

This.

[D]

You kind of nailed it. I wanted to give businessman, but with a little. A little corset to cinch me in the middle.

[B]

So I gotta jump in here. Okay. Cause I just feel like I owe it as a service you do to the straight people out there. Like, why? Like, what's going on? It feels like I like the look, but like the corset maybe should go inside.

[A]

No. You're wearing your underwear on the outside. You want to talk about that?

[D]

Well, this corset specifically is made to be worn outside. This was made by our good sister Pearl liaison. Pearl, who is a dragger sister of ours. And sometimes, Rob, you wear a corset on the outside and you ever put.

[A]

Your briefs outside of your pants or put a bra on top of your.

[D]

On weekends?

[B]

Madonna circa 1988.

[D]

Look at. You know what a Madonna reference.

[B]

Boston rhyme.

[A]

I'm impressed.

[D]

Okay, okay.

[A]

Dorinda medley.

[B]

So this look, it. It like feels like she couldn't decide what pin to wear, so she's like, let's wear them. Am I right? Like, this should be one.

[A]

This is one of my favorite looks Dorinda's done on the show.

[D]

I love.

[A]

She looks like a. A high fashion lawyer. I. I love her. I love. I love Dorinda's hair. I have always loved Dorinda's hair. I think she looks stunning.

[B]

I got a question. Was it even a consideration amongst everybody to get rid of Dorinda again?

[D]

No, it wasn't. It really wasn't.

[B]

That's wild.

[A]

Thank you, Rob.

[B]

I thought for sure if she's not gone right away, there's a good chance she's a traitor. Back to the brooches. Are there too many?

[A]

I think. Oh, it's stunning. I think it looks so good.

[B]

It does.

[D]

We need more. We need more, Rob.

[B]

Damn. I'm starting to figure it out. Just like whatever you think is right is wrong. Just do the opposite.

[A]

Yes, do the opposite.

[D]

Okay, next episode, we're giving you a corset on the outside.

[B]

I'm wear all my inside clothes on the outside and people are going to.

[A]

Be on top of your shoes.

[B]

That's amazing. You got it.

[A]

Let's keep looking. So Alan Conley is wearing a. I can't even know how to describe his hat. It's like some sort of a twine hat with these stones. Coming up from his eyebrow.

[D]

And he has, like, a burnt orange blazer with a rattan vest on top of it. And ocelot or leopard ascot.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And another vibrant colored pocket square.

[B]

The only thing I see is a thing on the eye. That's it.

[A]

The eyebrow.

[B]

Like, the suit in the hat is cute with the flowers, but, like, what is, like, one eyebrow, not the other?

[A]

It's giving Capital District in Hunger Games.

[D]

Hunger Games, Yeah. Yeah. What I love is that Alan makes these, like, really dope, bold choices on the show. And Alan is not afraid of color. He's not afraid of stones. He's not afraid of, like. I mean, that's. You have rattan, suede, and leopard.

[A]

I'm like, stones and stones.

[D]

Like, I love it. It all comes together. It looks good.

[B]

Throw it all together.

[D]

Someone who killed fashion for me on the show every day was Kristen Kitsch. I love. She always wore some, like, dope lesbian fucking power suit. I remember this look at the round table. She had this, like. It's not sequin, but it was some type of, like, glitter. It looked like a very expensive fabric, like a suit made out of, like, glitter. And she had this, like, lace shirt under it with a red flower. And she had, like, this perfectly coiffed hair. Also, Kristin would make us sandwiches in the night. And, you know, she's a chef. Well, not us.

[A]

Me.

[D]

Kristen would make me a little sandwich here and there. Like a perfectly, like.

[A]

She would toast the bread.

[D]

She would put butter on it. So, like, Kristen, I just love her. She was one of my favorite people.

[A]

In the castle that Rob's got going on. Rob, what is happening? Let me tell you something in that outfit.

[B]

You know what? I'm gonna tell you what's going on with Rob. Cause I know he probably had a regular outfit, and he had to hear it from Monet the whole time how he needs to step it up. So he's like, I'm gonna go overalls, no shirt. And he probably got compliments from someone.

[D]

You know, Ralph could have showed up.

[A]

In my room and stabbed me in.

[D]

My face wearing that outfit. And I was. Thank you.

[A]

Basically did show up and stab you. Oh, yes. That is.

[D]

You know, Ralph could do no wrong. I don't care that he's a traitor.

[A]

Tiffany, if you're gonna go out, you wanna go out looking gorgeous. And Tiffany looks beautiful in this suit. She looks powerful. This color is so bold.

[D]

Yeah. And I think. And I think we should really give all the women in the castle, y'.

[A]

All.

[D]

They're doing their own glam they're doing their own hair, own makeup, so I think that is very impressive.

[A]

My favorite look of the week. I'm actually going to give it to Dorinda Medley.

[B]

I really do like Dorinda's outfit minus all the brooches. Like, if she had one, I would go with that. Alan. Alan got regular suit there, right? Minus the eyebrow thing. I'm going with Alan's regular suit, minus the eyebrow for the win.

[D]

Well, you guys are both wrong. I give it to Monet X change and her elimination blazer, no doubt. All the way down.

[B]

Oh, that one would have been good. Good Monat.

[D]

Yeah, but wait, wait. Wait till you see these brooches, Rob. You might.

[A]

You might look at those brooches, Rob. Dorinda had nothing on you. Look at this.

[B]

And the buttons, man, I didn't see that coming. You saved the best for last. Monet. You're the winner this week.

[D]

Thank you, Rob. Thank you, Rob.

[A]

All right, listen, as one of the best dressed, thank you so much for joining us. Give it up for Monet X. James. Back to the grave with you, my dear.

[D]

To haunt you for forever.

[B]

We're almost out of time, but before we do, let's talk about what we think is coming up next.

[A]

Okay, so this is the last rights, right? The part of the episode where we both get to have the final word. And first up, let's talk traitors and victims. Was everyone able to resist the temptation of a shield, do you think?

[B]

I don't think so. I think someone grabbed a shield.

[A]

You got to take care of yourself.

[B]

I think it was somebody in the last group, and I think when there were four shields available, all four of them scooped it up.

[A]

It's too tempting. I got to be honest. If I saw four shields and we could all have one, we could all.

[B]

Just be like, as a faithful, I'm taking one.

[A]

Yeah, I'm going to grab one, too. Even as a trader, I'm going to grab one. You know what I mean? Who's crushing it? For me, the MVP of this season is got to be Candace. I. Candace and Rob are a beautiful team.

[B]

I think Rob's doing a great job. I really do. I think Candace is doing a great job. Lisa is gonna have her work cut up for moving forward.

[A]

Yeah. I would say right now, if you can survive a roundtable with heat on you, it feels good, but, you know, you're just on borrowed time. She is bringing heat to the trader, but she's not bringing heat to the other traders. It's just to her Right.

[B]

I'll tell you one thing I really did like is how Rob recognized that Lisa was gonna take on some heat, and he was like, well, might not be the worst thing in the world for me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know?

[A]

Yeah. He was like, I'll protect her, but as long as I can. After that, it's kind of. It's kind of. I did what I. And honestly, I gotta say, Rob is a really good. Like, his trader instinct. He's not taking it personal.

[B]

He's having a great job.

[A]

He's having a good time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's so under the radar without being too. It fits his personality. He's kind of letting Candace take the reins at the roundtable. Can I ask who you're rooting for to win the season?

[B]

I'd like to see Rob win. I do. I feel like I don't know anything about him, really. I didn't watch Love island, but I feel like he's out of his element. But he has the strategic mindset and the demeanor to go all the way, and I'd like to see that. I don't think a lot of people expect it.

[A]

I want to see Candace and Rob at the finale together. If I can only pick one, I'm going to pick Candace. Although she's probably got a little more heat than Rob does. Rob has practically none.

[B]

None.

[A]

He's lukewarm at best. But I would love to see Candace and Rob standing there together and betraying someone like Johnny, or just dragging Ron all the way through the game, just ruining his life, helping him get no sleep, and then being like, girl, you knew you weren't gonna win.

[B]

I don't even know how you get away with it, my man. But I'll tell you what, there's a lot more to play, and we know that things are constantly changing, so making any kind of prediction at this point is a little fruitless. But I think we're kind of on the same page there. Thank you so much for watching. Make sure to watch episode six of the Traders only on Peacock next Thursday.

[A]

And you can find us on the Traders Official Podcast, dropping after every episode on Peacock, YouTube and listen and follow wherever you get your podcast, so you never miss an episode. All right, bye, everyone.

[B]

The Traders Official Podcast is a Peacock original produced by USG Audio and TH Studios.

[A]

The series is hosted by Me, Bob.

[B]

The Drag Queen Queen and me, Boston.

[A]

Rob, executive produced by Shane Redsar and Jill Johnson at TH Studios and by.

[B]

Josh Block at USG Audio, co executive.

[A]

Produced by Michael Wolf, Story produced by Zoe Klar Post Production and editing by.

[B]

Stephen Wong Production by TH Studios Production support by Josh Lalonghi at USG Audio.

[A]

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[B]

If you'd like to watch this podcast, you can find us on Peacock or YouTube. New episodes of the Trader Season 4 are available on Thursdays at 6pm Pacific, 9pm Eastern on Peacock.

[A]

Thanks for listening.