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A
Hello, everyone, and welcome to the finale episode of the Traders official podcast. I'm going to argue and say the most culturally impactful podcast on the planet. I am your host, Bob the Drag Queen.
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B
And I'm Boston Rob. We're doing this, all of this, for you guys, and we hope you're enjoying it.
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A
Yes. Listen, I am backstage right now in
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B
Broadway, and I'm in Florida, but we had to come back for the finale episode because what a finale it was, huh, Bob?
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A
Oh, it was amazing. And listen, we're gonna discuss everything about the finale, which means there will be spoilers. Y', all, this is your warning. As you know, Rob does not like to do warning shots.
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B
I like the Blind side. But for all of you out there, if you haven't seen it yet, pause this, come back and watch it later, because we will be talking about everything that happened at the finale. We're not gonna cover the reunion, and we have a couple special guests also. Bob, right?
- [01:03]
A
Yes, that's right. We're gonna have the most fashionable, the most iconic traitor of all time, Lisa Rinna. And, of course, the most blindsided faithful in the history of the show. Maura Higgins is gonna be joining us as well. That being said, I think congratulations are in order to, um. Congratulations to Rob Roush, the winner of The Traitors Season 4. It was honestly amazing.
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B
Yeah, I agree. He played an incredible season. You know, from start to finish. He had a lot of things go his way, but he also capitalized when he needed to.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And, you know, at the very ending, the look on Maura's face when he turned around and told her that he was a traitor. I mean, it was all worth it just for that look.
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A
All right, let's talk about the finale. I want to talk about the public execution of Mark. He has danced his last dance. As Donna Summer would say, if Eric
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B
had thought through it a little bit more, I think he should have pushed for someone else in that spot, because even Eric has to realize he is completely vulnerable the second they get rid of Mark. Eric's not jumping on with Johnny and Tara, who think he's a traitor.
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C
He.
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B
He only can still ride with Rob, and even if he does, there's no situation where Eric's going to be able to get to the end.
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A
Let's look at breakfast. So Maura talks about how it takes a long time for her to trust people, but. But it's crazy because. But Rob has earned her trust in just three weeks.
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B
It's crazy. I think a combination of them both being from the Same show. Even though they didn't play together, she played the UK version. He played the US version of Love Is. And that bond that they had throughout the way, like, it did something to her to make her feel like that they were together in that moment. And that blind trust was evident by the look on her face at the end. There is something, like, serendipitous about the two Love island people making it to the end together, having that trust and working together that I think that might have caused her to be blind a little bit in not ever looking at him as a suspect.
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A
I agree. I don't think you're wrong. I think that he used everything in his arsenal, from his looks to his charm to their connection on tv, to them both being young. He used all of that.
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B
He.
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A
He othered everyone else in the castle. He was like, it's you and me. And then all these other fucking weirdos.
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B
And the reason. The reason I bring it up is because I did it. I know I did it with my own wife. So I know. Like, when you find this person married 21 years. Coming up, Bob. 21 years.
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A
I will say this. Johnny and Tara have figured it out. It's a little late. They have traded out their skates. They have picked up, you know, monocles, and they are looking for clues. Let's take a look at it.
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D
To me, Eric and Rob are the remaining traitors. Eric has been so under the radar, and I can't help but think that perhaps Candace left the faithful a breadcrumb when she voted Rob twice. You think it's Rob and Eric?
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A
Yeah. You know, shit, if we vote the
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E
same way, then there's three votes somewhere else.
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D
So do we try to pull Mara away?
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E
Yeah.
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D
So do you want to go against Eric and then go two alliances against each other?
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B
Yes. Let's do some math. There's literally five. Five people left, and he knows that he and Tara are not. So it's gotta be two out of the remaining three. He has a 66.6% chance of being right if he throws a dart at the wall.
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A
I mean. No, this is like throwing a beach ball at the broadside of a barn. Yeah, obviously you're gonna figure it out. We know it's not Maura Higgins. The only chance they possibly have is to maybe convince Eric to turn on Rob and. And, I mean, May.
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B
No, no, Mora, Mora.
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A
No, Eric. I'm saying because they're never going to convince Maura. Maura's never going to turn on Rob, but they might be able to convince Eric to turn on Rob. If they can convince Eric they believe he is a faithful. And we got to get rid of this Rob guy. But I don't think Eric would turn on Rob either.
- [05:22]
B
No, you're right. That would have been the smarter play. What Tara and Johnny did was they went after Mara thinking that she was the weak link and she was the one that that would be able to turn had they gone after Eric. It could have put ideas in Eric's head. But I definitely agree with you. Their play should have been to go after Eric and not Maura.
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A
Maura is basically a swing state. She's Pennsylvania, and everybody wants that vote.
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B
Yeah. She's in the middle and she's getting dragged from both sides. But let's watch this clip and let's see the dilemma that she's in.
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F
I really wish I knew what they were saying about us.
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B
We have the plan.
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F
Johnny, then Tara.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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E
And you know what? Like, I kept thinking, is it just one of them?
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F
No, it's them. It's literally them.
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A
When we started this, they stayed apart, which is suspicious. There's no other way. Yeah.
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F
Johnny is far more capable of talking himself out of a hole than Tara. So we need to get Johnny out first.
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A
I love Johnny's pants.
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F
I'd say I'm about 70% sure that Maura is gonna stick with me. I've built a relationship with Maura this entire game.
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B
Wow. 70%. It's gonna be higher.
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F
No matter what happens, we gotta stick
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A
to it and then we're done.
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B
See, it makes Eric look guilty.
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A
Yeah.
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D
Yo.
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E
Hey, love, this is Mora. Can I grab you for a quick.
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A
Yeah, sure.
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E
Okay.
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B
It was really smart of Rob to let Eric push the agenda.
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E
Are we done?
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A
Yeah.
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E
I'm looking at you. I trust you. I know that Johnny is a faithful. But we don't know about Eric. Then Eric should be the one. Yes.
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A
Going for Eric is low hanging fruit. This is the last episode, guys. You have to make your biggest swings now. You have to take out Rob. Let's go into the mission. So Alan does his. And then a chopper just flies in and. And Maura's eyes light up like she is at FAO Schwartz in the 90s.
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B
Yeah, she was excited, and Rob wanted to get in with her, which makes sense. Keep the alliance close together.
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A
But why would Johnny advocate for Mora to get in the helicopter with Rob Roush?
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B
I don't know. Because I think at this point, maybe he thinks by doing some goodwill tomorrow that, you know, like, potentially she's going to See the that he's a traitor and vote against him.
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A
For the first time ever, I see Maura actually trying to advocate and create gameplay in the helicopter. Let's take a look at it.
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E
I actually believe Rick, we need to go for Eric. He's been so quiet throughout this game. I think that he thinks that we're stupid enough to not think he's a traitor, but he is.
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A
Every time they play her saying something about her being stupid, it ends up being so wrong.
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F
I've made a lot of moves in this game to get to where I am. I can see the finish line. But if Eric gets voted out, Tara and Johnny will have the upper hand. I need more to have my back. Can't come apart at the seams now.
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A
If he loses Eric before Johnny, Rob loses the game. Eric, I don't know how you could go into the turret knowing that Rob has voted against every other traitor, thinking it will never happen to you. This is like when you when you date someone who tells you they cheated on all their exes and you keep thinking to yourself, well, it'll never be me. Of course it will be you.
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B
You can't be so naive to think that you're going to work with that trader when it happens late in the game. See what I'm doing here, Bob? I'm causing more paranoia for people that play next season.
- [09:08]
A
All right, so this mission is pretty straightforward. They have to answer four questions, and they pair the money with the answer. They start off really low, but then they get a lot of confidence. They actually get every sing answer right. It's pretty impressive. And then at the very end, they have the opportunity to double their earnings from 20,000 to 40,000. And they're like, who's gonna jump in? And then Mara drops the bomb. I can't swim.
- [09:33]
B
I mean, I want to go in the helicopter over the lake, but I can't swim. Just so we're clear, the final money they won was 220,800 in the prize pool. It's a good chunk on the ride
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A
back to the castle. Johnny, I feel so bad for Johnny is like watching a train come at you and you're just chained to the tracks. What are you going to do?
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B
I mean, I think like, that you bring up a really good point, and that is you can have the best plan and have it figured out, but you need to execute it with enough time left. You need to think beyond right now in the game.
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A
Tara feels convinced that she has Maura's vote, but then Maura turns to Eric. And she says, 100%, I am not voting for you.
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F
Maura is trying to sell to Eric that she fully trusts him.
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E
Eric, I can genuinely promise you I am not coming for you.
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A
Yeah.
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E
I can promise you, you know that
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D
I would never do that, but I know she's lying.
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F
And, like, I'm noticing the way she's saying it is the exact same way. She says to me that she wants to end the game with just me. She definitely is lying to at least one of us.
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B
I don't think Maura meant that when she said that to Eric, though. I think she was saying that to appease him. And if I were Eric, that would have set off some red flags for me because of the way she said 100%, I'm not going for you. Like, the way she said it just made me think, like, yeah, I'm not going for you. Now let's get into this roundtable.
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A
Everything hinges on Amora. And then Eric starts off by saying that he's voting for Taryn or Johnny. I think that he should have laid into one of them.
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B
I thought that was a huge red flag when he did that. He's so singularly focused in that direction. I mean, the only thing is, like, there's nothing that Tara and Johnny can do about it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Other than maybe point it out directly to Mara.
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A
And then all Rob has to do is go. And then Mara's back on board. So Johnny didn't go down without a fight. Johnny actually tried to defend himself pretty well. Let's take a look.
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D
I think Tara and I, we did play a pretty cold game with each other, which is. I think that's the sneakiest thing that we've done because we didn't want to be a target immediately just because we are a duo.
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E
And I get. Because everyone would have been just watching
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D
you guys see what we do.
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E
I get it.
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A
Oh, my God. Her hat is backwards. Maura turned her hat around. Am I crazy?
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D
I think it's pretty widely thought that there could be two traitors left. So there are five people. I 99.99% know it isn't Tara because of our history together. I know. It's like, how can you believe that? How can you just know? I just do.
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B
It's not a real answer.
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A
I do appreciate him saying it's not 100% though. I do appreciate that.
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B
Yeah, I do too.
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D
We're looking at the three of you. And, Mara, I don't smell you at all on this. I think I've gotten to know you better. And your personality is this. This is you.
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E
Yeah, it really is.
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B
Had he done the same charm to Eric, I think it goes further.
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D
I connect with that, and I feel that.
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E
And no matter what happens here, I have loved playing this game with few.
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A
Dado, she's about to vote you out.
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D
But, Eric, your game has been very opaque. And when it comes to actually talking about the game, like, you are just
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A
so quiet about your gameplay, they're not swinging big enough. It has to be Rob. It can't be Eric, because once you do the hard. The heavy lifting first, and then Eric will be lightweight because they already don't trust Eric. Already. They don't trust this guy. The last thing said at the roundtable before Allen shuts it down is Rob's theory that either Johnny or Tara recruited the other one. And then we have votes. Eric votes for Johnny. Johnny votes for Eric. Rob votes for Johnny, and Tara votes for Eric. And then Maura votes for Johnny. And then, very unceremoniously, Johnny Weir is thrown out of the castle. Must leave immediately. He gives Tara Lipinski a quick hug and then just shuffles out of the
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B
castle with very little pomp and circumstance. Yeah, I actually thought it was kind of creative what Rob did there, you know, basically turning exactly what he did and saying it, you know, against Johnny and Tara. And it made sense. Like, it's something that plausibly could have happened. It didn't make a difference one way or another. And I agree. Now Tara really has an uphill climb, and there's not much she can do.
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A
It was pretty brutal watching Maura talk about being cheated on and lied to and then watching Rob do it. Let's take a look.
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I trust you.
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F
I 100% trust you.
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E
That was tough.
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F
It was.
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We cannot mess it up now.
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F
We need to go for Tara,
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bro.
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E
I'm messing with Eric. He's a threat.
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A
I think Rob's being a little too aggressive, but he can do that with Morica. She has. She has her trust. We hanging on.
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E
I know. It's awesome we're together out there.
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B
Like, one.
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A
There's that damn pinky promise.
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F
Oh, I feel bad. I really genuinely feel bad. But it's hard. Cause I'm also like, I think I'm gonna win. I think I'm gonna win this game.
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B
A big selling point in trying to create a strong alliance is always to make sure that both people in the alliance feel like you're working together. And I think that's what he was trying to do.
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A
Well, I have a question for you about backstabbing. Someone you're so close to. I know your wife is out of the business, but if you were in the traitor's Castle together, would you be able to, like, Are you that cutthroat? Are you that brutal? Would you be able to do that to someone that you love so much?
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B
In a heartbeat.
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A
But also, she knows you, and she would not let you get away with it. She'd probably be too smart to let you get away with that.
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B
You know, here's the thing. In every show that I've ever done, as long as I don't feel like someone's coming at me, if I am with them, I'm 100% loyal to a fault. I will march to the end and go to the end with you. But at some point, when it comes down to, you know, I want to win, you want to win, that's going to happen. That's just part of the game.
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A
I mean, I would banish my sick grandmother if it means I could win the game.
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B
I know, I know. That's why I always said, bob, me and you, same, but different. But same.
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A
We'll be right back after this.
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B
Are you ready for the fire of truth?
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A
The game can only end when the vote is unanimous or there are only two people left. That's the only way the game can end.
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B
And you know what? They switched it up this year. We got an indoor fire pit this year for the finale. What's going on?
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A
I don't know. It makes me nervous. This feels like a fire hazard. There's just a table on fire. I trust Alan, but I don't know. I'm like, I feel unsafe here. So at first, they all vote to banish. Everyone votes to keep banishing. And Tara is very vocal about voting Eric out. I think it's really smart that she got that out before the voting started. And the vote goes Eric for Tara, Tara for Eric, Rob for Tara. And then it all hinges on Maura. And then Maura votes for Tara, and Tara is now banished. And at this point, there's literally at this point, the traders have won the game. Officially. Officially, the traders have won.
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B
The traders have won. But we don't know exactly which trader is going to win or if they're going to win together.
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A
So Eric has a true moment of realization where he gets a classic double cross. Let's take a look at it.
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B
Rob, let the flames reveal your decision. Rob, you chose to vanish again. Why?
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F
I made a pinky promise, and I intend to keep it.
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A
She should never make another pinky promise. Guy Ever again.
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B
It was smart of him to say that.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Double down on it.
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A
I really, really, really, really trusted you guys.
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B
And it sucks and it hurts. I shouldn't have is what he should have said.
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A
I truly trusted you guys.
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B
I wouldn't say, you guys. I would have looked Rob right in the face.
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A
Yeah. Why is he spreading it out to
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B
everyone and say, you know what? I really trusted you.
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A
I want you to think about why you've never questioned the other player in this game. That little nod, that little head shake was enough to throw her off the scent.
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B
So here's how I play this. If it's me, and I'm Eric, right? Rob throws red, she throws red, and I change the dialogue. Instead of saying, you know, I really should have trusted you guys, I looked directly at Rob and I said, you know what? I never should have trusted you.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And the reason is because you lied to me and then look at Maura and be like, you know, I feel bad for you because you've been done dirty on more than one occasion. Here's your opportunity to make it right.
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A
I don't know. I'm vindictive. I have no qualms.
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B
Oh, I know. I know. I know.
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A
If someone ruins my game, I have no qualms with. With ruining theirs. It doesn't bother me at all. I feel very justified.
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B
And we'll see this replay itself on all the seasons to come. Thank you, everyone. The look on Mara's face when Rob reveals that he's a traitor is spectacular. Actually, we got a clip of it. Let's check it out.
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Rob,
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are you faithful or a traitor?
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Maura.
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A
Oh, I feel so. She's just smiling.
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B
I am,
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F
and I always have been.
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B
He got that from me.
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F
A traitor.
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A
Wow.
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B
That was exactly what I said when I went out.
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F
I'm so sorry. I'm a traitor.
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B
Look at her.
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F
I'm serious.
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A
No, she still doesn't believe it.
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E
Are you joking?
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F
I'm not. I'm a traitor. I've been the whole game. I've been a traitor.
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E
Oh, my God. I'm so stupid.
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F
No, you're not stupid.
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E
I was so fooled by you, you absolute asshole. You're a piece of work.
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F
I know.
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E
I was so convinced.
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B
I'm sorry.
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E
You've embarrassed me.
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F
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to embarrass you. You made it your last.
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B
Last.
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E
Don't speak.
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F
Okay, all right.
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E
Please stop talking.
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A
Fair enough. Fair enough. Don't speak. I love that. Don't speak. Let me feel my feelings. At least he respected her wishes and shut the hell up.
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E
You're never gonna have a girlfriend after this. You're such a good liar.
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A
That was brutal. That was actually brutal.
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E
Fair play at all. You know what? If I was a traitor, I would have done the same, right? No hard feelings. Like, I think I'm just in shock. I actually thought I was winning. I really did. Oh, he's a bad man. He's a really bad, bad man. But good for him.
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A
She had a moment of anger, but she took it on the chin.
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E
You're a fucking snake. But well done.
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B
She was duped big time. And, you know, that realization hits hard. Especially like, you know, can you imagine, like, me and Dylan going all the way to the end and him not knowing? Like, I feel like their relationship got so tight and the trust was there. And to, like, double cross someone in that last moment is just hard to process. It's hard for her to. To make the realization that not only was she tricked, but she was tricked the entire season long. And that's why she feels the way she does. To see her go through all of the emotions, like, immediately, like, from shock to anger to almost forgiveness, like, within the span of, like, 30 seconds, all the stages of grief is pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she did them all, like, and processed it right there and then said, you know what? Fair enough. If I were a traitor, I probably would have done the same.
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A
And she even got some zingers in. Stop talking. You're a bad man. You'll never have a girlfriend, you liar. Okay, good job. Congratulations. I'll see myself out.
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B
I mean, testament to how well he played. And, you know, it's going to go down in his history as definitely one of the best Trader Games ever.
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A
Listen, Rob Rouse, if you're watching this, I don't know why he wouldn't be. You played an absolutely amazing game. You lasted the entire time. That is. You guys at home do not know how hard that is. Only two traders in the US Version have ever made it from the beginning to the end. So Sari and Rob Roush, you two are the goats of this game at this point.
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B
Yeah, Rob, from me to you, congratulations. I agree with Bob. You played a spectacular game and it was a lot of fun to watch. It was a pleasure.
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A
Man, that was brutal. But don't worry, we're going to talk to Mara about her feelings in a few. But up first, Lisa fucking Rinna.
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B
Welcome back. We have a lot more in store for everyone. But first, last week we got to sit down in studio with one of Our favorite traders of all time, it's Lisa fucking Rinna. Welcome.
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A
Hi. First of all, you look stunning.
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C
Thank you, Bob.
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A
I love your nod to Scotland. Thank you so much.
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C
My first nod to Scotland.
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A
Show them the inside of the jacket, please. Hello. That's how you do fashion. You gotta match. You gotta match. You gotta match, honey. Thank you. Alexander McQueen, would you rather be in the Traitor's Castle with soaps actors or housewives?
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C
Housewives.
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A
Oh, are they that bad?
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C
Housewives.
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A
And she said what she said. And you know who you are and you know who she's talking about.
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C
It speaks such volumes that I just answered that question that way. It speaks volumes. Volumes, volumes. Volumes.
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B
Wow.
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E
That's all I'm going to say.
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B
We're uncovering some deep seated stuff only here on the Traders official podcast. You've heard it here.
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A
What are the three most important aspects of being a trader?
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C
Do you want to help me?
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B
Number one, I think self awareness. Right?
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C
Oh, okay.
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B
You have to be aware at all times of your surroundings, but you have to be accurate about it. So, like, not only how you're perceived, but how other people perceive you. And if you know if that's true,
- [25:40]
C
that right there is too much.
- [25:42]
B
Yeah, right.
- [25:42]
C
That alone is so hard.
- [25:44]
B
You're a huge personality and a huge target. So of course people will think like from the jump that you could potentially be a traitor.
- [25:52]
C
And I knew that going in.
- [25:54]
B
And overall, I think you handled it really well.
- [25:56]
C
Do you?
- [25:56]
B
I do.
- [25:57]
C
Wow. I'm so honored that you think that.
- [25:59]
B
Okay. You have to.
- [26:00]
C
I would think you would.
- [26:01]
B
Self awareness, the ability to adapt.
- [26:04]
C
I was going to say adapting. The ability to adapt is very, very important. And I knew that in my head. You know what I mean?
- [26:10]
E
I thought of that.
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A
So adaptability should be adaptability,
- [26:15]
B
number two. And number three, this is so applicable to traders more than any other show. Worry about what you can control and don't worry about what you can't because there's so much that's going to be outside of your control. And if you're so focused on controlling everything, you can't control anything, especially as a trader. It's not going to work.
- [26:36]
A
And I'm going to throw in one more. If you're a man with big giant mummy milkers and snake tattoos, take your shirt off.
- [26:42]
C
I wish I could have taken my shirt off, but, oh, well. You have to be smart, I think, to do this show.
- [26:47]
A
I think smart, yeah.
- [26:50]
B
Is that why we're sitting here on the trainer's official podcast? The place where all the smart People come.
- [26:58]
A
I do think that Rob Rousch's looks have something to do with. It's not all a coincidence, y'.
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F
All.
- [27:03]
C
It's intimidating to look at him for too long. It's true. That's what it is. You can't look at him for too long. You have to, like, look away.
- [27:11]
A
I like to meme other.
- [27:12]
B
This was crazy talk because I've never met anybody that I've felt that way about. I never realized all of this went into, like, thinking about strategy of the game.
- [27:23]
A
Rob, do you not think that you. Being on Survivor, you don't think people thought you were hot and charming? You don't think your looks had anything to do when I got off the show and they start posting you, people start being like, look at this picture of Boston Rob 20 years ago. Rob, I'm telling you, your looks worked in your favor. You were charming them.
- [27:41]
B
Yes, okay, maybe. Maybe. Yes. I understand that. But, like, do you really think, like, that plays so much into the social strategy for some people?
- [27:50]
A
I do now.
- [27:51]
C
Now that I've watched it play out and been part of it, yes. You don't think that was a tactic, wearing no shirt and overalls?
- [27:58]
E
Come on.
- [27:59]
A
No, it was a tactic.
- [27:59]
B
That was a tactic for sure.
- [28:01]
C
She had the girls and the boys wrapped around.
- [28:03]
B
I was wrapped. I was so wrapped.
- [28:05]
A
If you could go over and do the season again, and Rob had this idea that you get to, like. One trader gets to choose who's in the tour with them. Which two castle guests would you choose to be in the tour with you?
- [28:14]
C
I'm gonna choose Johnny.
- [28:16]
A
Okay.
- [28:17]
C
And, Mara, why Johnny? Johnny is so unassuming, and he's so funny, and he's got fun fashion, and I just think he's really smart.
- [28:25]
A
And why Mara?
- [28:27]
C
Well, I just think she's a fucking rock star. I don't know why you asked me. It's instinctual.
- [28:32]
A
I think you just want to look at pretty outfits in the tour.
- [28:34]
C
Well, I also like pretty people. I'd like to have Rob and Mara, and then I can just look at them.
- [28:42]
A
Listen, as you know, we discuss the fashion in the castle every episode, and I'm a little over Boston Rob's, and he insists that we do it. He won't.
- [28:50]
B
Yes, yes. It's all me. Well. Cause, look, it's all me.
- [28:53]
C
You have Gucci tennis shoes, questioning who
- [28:56]
B
is, like, the better fashionista here.
- [28:58]
A
But I want to give you the floor to talk about your favorite looks, your favorite fashionistas from your time in the castle.
- [29:04]
E
Okay?
- [29:05]
A
This is A segment called Rena's Winners.
- [29:09]
C
This is Alan Cumming and he is the king of the cast.
- [29:13]
A
He's the king and the queen.
- [29:14]
C
And the queen.
- [29:14]
A
Let's keep it a box.
- [29:15]
C
He's queen. He does no wrong. And this is a winner, winner, winner.
- [29:20]
A
He's wearing a white shirt with, like a doily collar and a puff sleeve.
- [29:24]
C
And what is this thing? It's like a sash.
- [29:26]
A
Yeah. He's wearing a brocade sash with a matching kilt.
- [29:28]
B
To me, it's giving Girl Scouts of
- [29:30]
A
America and I want to buy some
- [29:31]
B
cookies with like, maybe a Scottish. Maybe Girl Scouts of Scott.
- [29:36]
A
And I want Samoa. Let's go to our next look.
- [29:39]
B
That was good. That was good.
- [29:40]
A
All right, now.
- [29:42]
B
Oh, it's Candace. Watch out, everybody. Calm down.
- [29:46]
A
Candace. I can't. I can't even. I'm gonna cry. She's so stunning. Candace is wearing this. Oh, I can't even describe it. It's a beautiful pink and white blazer dress.
- [29:57]
C
I have for sure seen this in porn.
- [30:00]
A
What?
- [30:01]
C
I have seen this outfit in one of the porn movies I've watched. I'm just saying I love her, but it's porn.
- [30:08]
A
Even Colton and Monet were bricked up looking at her in this outfit. So do we have a winner or a sinna?
- [30:14]
C
A sinner.
- [30:15]
A
It's a sinna. All right, now we have Rob Rousch in what appears to be like, some sort of armor inspired chest plate, showing a lot of skin.
- [30:26]
B
That's not a close for me.
- [30:28]
A
This look is great. This looks so good. This is the only time I was ever like, maybe I see it.
- [30:34]
C
I was marveled by it when I walked in and I was like, oh, okay, somebody put that on him. And you know what? Wow.
- [30:42]
A
I actually think he probably took it out of Portia's suitcase when she got banished, because there's no way he brought this there with him.
- [30:47]
B
I think, like, I'm starting to understand fashion a little bit. Just, like, find the most fucked up thing you can and put it on.
- [30:54]
A
You're this close to getting it.
- [30:55]
B
Yeah, almost right.
- [30:56]
A
This close to getting it. So is it a winner or not?
- [30:59]
C
You know, I'm going to give it a winner. I should give it a not a winner, but I'm going to give it a winner because it takes balls to wear that.
- [31:05]
A
Ron Fonshes is wearing, like, an orange and brown kind of like oversized pico with a tie in the front. I got to say, I love this.
- [31:13]
C
I loved it in person. And I went up to him and said, I Love your look.
- [31:17]
E
So I.
- [31:17]
A
But it's not styled properly.
- [31:19]
C
Well, how would you style it?
- [31:20]
A
First of all, I would do a wide leg pant. I would do a boot with a little bit at least a Cuban heel on it and with like a wide leg pant underneath.
- [31:27]
C
Can you really see him wearing a Cuban heel? Like, really? It's. I'm gonna say it's a winner. Cause I liked it in person.
- [31:37]
B
Lisa, you're too nice to everyone. I'll touch you, right? No way. There's no way that's a win that thing. Come on.
- [31:45]
A
As they said, you have just joined the you Boston rob club. Welcome to the club.
- [31:51]
B
Welcome, welcome, welcome. I told you guys, I always get it out of them.
- [31:55]
A
Now we have Maura looking like C3PO's rich, rich aunt. She is dressed in this beautiful armor, inspired. Looks like maybe some sort of vinyl with a matching hat. It's like a bright metallic gold over a black dress with a slit that goes all the way up to it.
- [32:12]
B
Looked like the red bottom shoes, too. Right? But under the hat.
- [32:15]
A
Yeah, a little bit. Yeah.
- [32:17]
F
Wow.
- [32:17]
C
Look at you calling out a little bit.
- [32:19]
A
No. He wore red bottoms to the finale.
- [32:21]
B
I missed the fashion.
- [32:22]
A
He wore red bottoms to the. To the reunion. And I gagged. I was like, look at you. So what do you think of this one?
- [32:29]
C
I mean, come on. It's unbelievable. She took a risk. It's fabulous. Are you kidding me? It's one of. Besides me being the absolute best dress. She's number two.
- [32:39]
A
Is it a winner or. Nah. Winner. We got another winner. All right, we have Kristen dressed like one of the stakes. She just carved up bleeding in red high waisted pants, a lace mock turtleneck with long, long sleeves and that iconic, iconic hair.
- [32:57]
C
It's fabulous. It's so her. She's clean. She's chic. She's classic.
- [33:02]
A
There's texture, there's depth. This is.
- [33:05]
B
I get it. It's great. I think it's good for her.
- [33:07]
A
But we're not the judges. You are.
- [33:08]
C
I mean, she could have gone more. She could have gone bigger and more.
- [33:12]
E
How about that?
- [33:13]
C
I'll give.
- [33:14]
A
But it is still a winner. All right, we have the icon. The most iconic fashionista traitor of all time.
- [33:23]
C
You can't touch this.
- [33:24]
A
Lisa fucking Rinna. She is wearing this beautiful sailor inspired giant puff sleeve with this cute little, like, Elizabethan cuffless on the wrist. A stunning, stunning corset over this gown with this asymmetrical skirt with, like, white piping going around the bottom. A cute little sailor hat. And a very deadly amulet that was gifted to her that night.
- [33:46]
C
I mean, come on, Eric. Charlotte is the designer of this couture collection here. This outfit was next level. All I wanted was to get to the point where I could wear this dress.
- [33:58]
A
Honestly, if I was you and I got. If I got banished before this, I would have like. I'm going upstairs to change. I'll be right back.
- [34:03]
C
No, it's true. Oh, Bob, I'm telling. I would not have left unless I could have worn this. So I was like, hallelujah. Cause this is. It's couture, honey. I mean, this is couture, honey.
- [34:13]
A
But is it a winna?
- [34:15]
C
It's a winna with a capital W. I, N, N A.
- [34:19]
A
There it is. It's a winna. Come on, Lisa. You have nothing to prove to anyone. Thank you so much for coming in here. Thank you. You were fantastic on the show.
- [34:28]
E
Thank you.
- [34:28]
A
And obviously today, you are a winner from the top of your head to the bottom of your. Your Gucci blatant feet, honey.
- [34:36]
C
Thank you, honey. Alexander McQueen. But who's counting?
- [34:40]
B
And welcome to the crew of the former Traitors.
- [34:44]
C
That's right.
- [34:44]
B
Spanish traitors.
- [34:46]
A
Spanish traitors. There it is, honey.
- [34:49]
C
Thank you, guys. This was really fun.
- [34:50]
A
Oh, thank you.
- [34:51]
B
It was so much fun.
- [34:53]
A
Listen, don't go anywhere. Cause right after this, we're gonna be back with the one and only Maura Higgins. Y', all, we are so excited. All the way from the Love island villa, the outspoken and finalists on that show, including a finalist on The Traitors Season 4. If this woman knows how to do one thing, she knows how to make it to the finals. It's Maura Higgins.
- [35:20]
E
Hi, guys.
- [35:21]
A
Maura, I gotta say, you did something that everyone wants to do, which is make it to the fire pit. I mean, everything else aside Blind side aside, how do you feel making it that far in this one of the most difficult reality TV shows to win?
- [35:36]
E
I mean, it's great that I got so far. I was learning it every single day. I still don't really understand the show, if I'm being honest. But watching it back, I'm like, that is embarrassing shit. That is some embarrassing shit.
- [35:56]
B
But you can't be too hard on yourself because it is a difficult game, you know, and you don't really know who to trust. But there was something about your connection with Rob that you did seem to not want to look at him as a traitor. What was it? Aside from the pinky swear? What was it that made you have so much trust in him?
- [36:19]
E
I did go in there thinking, I'm not gonna trust anyone. I had met Rob once because I interviewed him on Love island after son. And being in there and, like, you know, hearing how everyone speaks, like, the gamers stick together and the housewives stick together. Well, like, sometimes in my brain, I was kind of thinking, okay, maybe the Love island team should stick together.
- [36:46]
B
Right.
- [36:47]
A
Basically, by the end, Johnny and Tara figured it out. I mean, they didn't have too many options to choose from, but they figured it out, and they really advocated for you to, like, go against Eric and then go against Rob. How does it feel in hindsight? Do you wish you had listened to them?
- [37:02]
E
Yeah, when I was watching it back, I was really kicking myself. I was like, oh, I just wish I listened to Tara. But then there was also, in the back of my head, like, I know that Johnny and Tara were both figure skaters in the Olympics, but I genuinely didn't know that they were as close as they were. And then when they kind of came together close to the end, I was seeing that as, like, suspicious. I honestly was so clueless the whole game, like, I had no clue. I would not listen to anyone, anyone that mentioned Rob's name. I was like, oh, no.
- [37:41]
A
You were ride or die.
- [37:42]
B
We saw. We saw.
- [37:44]
A
I famously said, like, if someone said his name, slap the shit out of them. When Rob revealed that he was a traitor to you, you said, you will never have a girlfriend.
- [37:54]
E
Yeah.
- [37:55]
A
Do you still believe that Rob will never find love?
- [37:57]
E
When, like, in my head, I was thinking, who wants to be with a guy who can lie that well? Like, unless I'm just completely, like, dumb, which I'm sure the whole world probably thinks that I'm.
- [38:13]
A
Well, he got everyone. He didn't just fool you. He fooled everyone on the show. You really shouldn't feel singled out. He did make a very strong alliance with you, but he fooled Mark, he fooled Eric. I mean, he didn't fool Tara and Johnny, but he fooled them up until, like, the last three episodes. So I really don't think you should feel that embarrassed.
- [38:30]
E
He played an amazing game, and I'm not mad at him at all. Like, genuinely, once I got over the initial shock, I was like, fair play. Like, I can't be angry.
- [38:44]
A
Can you just take us back in your mind to just your perspective? Specifically the moment when Rob Roush tells you he's a traitor, and then he goes, no, for real, I am a traitor.
- [38:55]
E
To be honest, in that moment, I was waiting for him to say, just joking.
- [39:02]
B
I know you were.
- [39:03]
E
I was Waiting. And I was waiting and waiting and waiting. And he just wasn't saying it. And I was there, sitting in my head. I was thinking, okay, the joke is long enough now. Just tell me you're a faithful.
- [39:12]
A
I will say it is crazy that even when he told you out of his own mouth he was a traitor, you still did not believe him.
- [39:19]
E
I was so gullible. Like, I just trusted him. But then, you know, there's people online saying, like, oh, she's like, dickmatized. Like, all of this. Like, I'm not dickmatized. I never looked at Rob like that. Like, I genuinely just trusted him. And people say you have to trust someone in a game like that. Like, you have to, or else where are you gonna be? Obviously, now I'm like, you're forgiven. Once I get my gift, I want my handbag. He's pinky promised me again, guys.
- [39:49]
A
And you trust it again.
- [39:51]
E
Pinky promised me again.
- [39:52]
A
You can't pinky promise with Rob Rouse.
- [39:55]
B
Maury get cash.
- [39:57]
E
It's a Birkin handbag. I'm going to trust.
- [39:59]
A
You know what I would say? If you want to pick your promise me, Venmo me the cash right now. I can buy my own Birkin bag.
- [40:06]
B
You know what I love, Mara? I love that you can, like, laugh about it. The entire situation overall, Was it a great experience for you? Would you do Traitors again?
- [40:17]
E
It was an incredible experience, but I. I don't play games. Like, I don't take things. Really. I'm the most unserious person ever. So, like, I was wandering around that castle every day going, God, I'm so good at this game. Like, really taking the piss out of myself because I was so bad at the game. And, like, me and all the cast to this day to each other, every time we greet each other, they're like, you're so good at this game. Like, it's just a joke at this stage.
- [40:47]
A
You may have not won Love island, you may have not won the Traitors, but you absolutely won the Traitors Fashionista award. You, me, and Rob both agree that you are the most stylish person in that castle.
- [41:05]
E
Aw, thank you. I appreciate that. Well, if I'm being honest, the fashion was one of the reasons why I did the show.
- [41:12]
A
Any tips for someone at home who wants to wear a full latex suit?
- [41:16]
E
Lube. A lot of lube.
- [41:20]
A
It's like a turkey.
- [41:23]
C
Yeah.
- [41:24]
E
A lot of bottles of lube. Honestly, the latex, I. I mean, it's not the most comfortable, but it looks amazing. So it Was worth it.
- [41:35]
A
You hear that, Rob? Latex looks amazing. So if you ever go back to that castle, Rob, we're expecting you in a full latex tuxedo. All right, Mara, let's just say you weren't in the castle. Besides you, who do you think is the most fashionable from season four of the Traitors?
- [41:54]
E
Eazy? Lisa Rinna.
- [41:56]
A
Lisa Rinna. There you have it. Lisa, you love the traitors.
- [42:00]
E
I mean, Lisa Rinna's banquet. Yeah, I absolutely love the traitors. What is wrong with me?
- [42:07]
A
You're like Lisa, then Candace, then Eric, then Rob.
- [42:11]
E
Exactly like Lisa with her sunglasses in the cage. Like, I'm sorry. That just killed me off. My favorite moment in the whole entire show is when she's speaking to when they murder Caroline, and she's like, too bad. Too bad, Caroline. Off to Dubai you go. Brilliant, brilliant tv. And her banquet outfit was like, yeah, I love Lisa.
- [42:38]
A
Before you go, is there anything you want to say to anyone who wants to play this game in the future as a faithful? Any words of advice you can give to. Because there's going to be tons of faithfuls coming up. What advice do you have for them?
- [42:50]
E
I would probably say don't trust anyone. Like, if you're close with someone. If I was to do it again, I'd be looking at the person that I'm closest with.
- [43:00]
A
Well, thank you for joining us, Maura. You're a fashion icon. You've solidified yourself. I can't wait to see you at the Met gala. It's where you deserve to be.
- [43:06]
E
Oh, thank you so much, guys. Thank you.
- [43:11]
B
And stay tuned. We'll be right back with more.
- [43:18]
A
All right, y', all. It's your favorite time of day. It is time to talk all things fashion. We're talking London, Paris, Milan, all the way to the Highlands of Scotland. Let's look at some looks.
- [43:33]
B
I'm so excited. It's the finale. You know, Bob, once a year, you get me in the tuxedo and no backwards hat. So let's get into it.
- [43:42]
A
I got to say, last year, I gagged when you came to the reunion, and not only did you have on a sickening, well fitted tuxedo, you had on the red bottoms after walking in my blood.
- [43:53]
B
Well, Bob, you know, it's. It's. It's the reunion, so I'm just saying.
- [43:59]
A
And you haven't even washed my blood off your shoes. You're a monster.
- [44:04]
B
Still fresh.
- [44:06]
A
If you want to see these looks we're talking about, then make sure you check out the visuals. Y' All. We're all dressed up with nowhere to. So check us out on YouTube or on Peacock. We have obviously Emmy award winning actor, host and producer Alan Cumming in this, like, bedazzled. I will say, I do love this. He looks a little bit like a Las Vegas magician.
- [44:31]
B
I feel like my sarcasm is starting to catch on with you. This looks like a Dancing with the Stars jacket to me.
- [44:39]
A
Maybe this was Mark's final goodbye. Maybe Mark dropped this off on his way out the door. But it does look good. I mean, I would wear this. I would absolutely wear this blazer. Okay. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
- [44:51]
C
This.
- [44:52]
A
He looks okay. Rob Roche looks like a kid from Stranger Things but grew up and went to college like this. I can't call this fashion. This is just a guy wearing a Baby Gap tee.
- [45:07]
B
I mean, it looks like the playground. Like his mom packed his suitcase for him. He's going to the playground and like, you know, like third grade outfit in the grown up size.
- [45:18]
A
Rob knows what his fans like and they're all lapping it up. Let's see who we got next. Okay. I gotta say, I normally am down with Alan. I don't know what's happening. So, first of all, I'm colorblind. What color is this, Rob?
- [45:30]
B
It's a blue Cookie Monster. We want more cookies.
- [45:34]
A
This one is wild and I can defend a lot. It looks almost like a tree skirt with some fur on it. And then it has, like, the biggest rhinestones you've ever seen in your life. I think it's a ritualistic ceremonial robe that has become part of the traitor's cannon. At this point, I don't know if I'm crazy, but does Johnny Weir look more and more like a vampire every episode? It's a little subtle for Johnny. Johnny's known for doing, like, crazy looks, but I like it. I love that. Is that like a cat pin? It's a brooch. I don't know if. Are we. Are we in me territory with the brooch?
- [46:17]
B
I'm okay. It's one brooch. I feel like it's okay. It's not overpowering. Like, the necklace on the outside of the turtleneck is giving me flashbacks to girlfriends from the early 90s. Like, that was a big thing back then.
- [46:29]
A
Yeah.
- [46:30]
B
But the jacket itself looks great. Like, I think. I do think he could use like a day in the tanning bed or in the actual sun. But overall, I like Johnny's outfit here.
- [46:40]
A
My God, Maura fucking Higgins in this. If you're going to Be embarrassed. Why not look fantastic? She's wearing a skin tight. This woman has been poured into this dress. These scalloped edges across her, like, bosom. This beautiful tiny little hat. Her makeup flaws, her skin. She is shining like a dime. This is one of the best looks of the whole season.
- [47:10]
B
She's beautiful. Like, she looks great. I like it. I got no notes.
- [47:15]
A
10 out of 10.
- [47:16]
B
I'm a married man, Bob. I can't get into the detail like you can. And again, we have another photo that I'm not really gonna comment a lot on, but here's Bob for you. Go ahead, Bob.
- [47:27]
A
Rob wearing the overalls again. But at least he's wearing a shirt this time. You look around and everyone is wearing these, like, really interesting pieces. Like, you know, Allen's wearing a ceremonial snuggie. Maura is wearing this beautiful scalloped breasted gown. Eric is wearing this, like, blazer with all this detail. And then Lil Abner is over here in his tank top and his overalls. But I guess Brett, maybe he could have just worn black overalls. That just, you know, jazz it up a little bit. Tara Lipinski. This is a nice dress on her. Again, if you're gonna be done dirty, at least look nice while you're leaving. I think she looks really great here. I love her hair. Her hair looks nice and full. You know what it is about this dress that I think she looks like? It's like a duo chromatic dress. It's like relatively form fitting but not too tight. And it has like a right around her chest. She has, like a ruching.
- [48:22]
B
Yeah, I was actually gonna mention the roughing myself. I think that's really nice the way it roug. It does look more like a castle dress. Right, Bob? I'm starting to see what you're seeing.
- [48:34]
A
So we have reviewed basically every thread of clothing worn in that castle in Scotland. And I gotta say, if I'm gonna pick my top fashionista of the season, it's gotta be Maura Higgins. Who is it for you?
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B
Yeah, I agree. Maura, from start to finish, was awesome. And in. In. In the interest of not losing our jobs, we'll give a nod to Alan Cumming, obviously. Cause we know how to play the game. Bob, I'm trying to think of, like, what are the ones that you remember the most? Like, for me, the two of Alan's that stick out is the eyebrow thing, the fire hair, the time he had the fire hair and all the brooches on Dorinda from the beginning, that was ridiculous.
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A
The Dress that Maura wore to the black banquet. My God, that look was so next level. Lisa Rinna, also at the black banquet stands out in my head. And I want to say, when Candace came in dressed as Mrs. Claus, when she's wearing the red with the white trim, candice cosplay as Mrs. Claus will
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B
never not take me out the fashion segment overall this season, I got to tell you, it was the one that I was most apprehensive about, but I feel like it ended up being my favorite because of you, Bob. So thank you for introducing me to Fashion 101, and thank you for introducing
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A
me to Backstabbing 101.
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B
Fair enough. Feels like a fair trade. And with that, we'll be right back with our final thoughts. Well, Bob, I gotta tell you, it has been such a pleasure doing this podcast with you this season. I've had more fun than I could have ever imagined, and I just wanted to say thanks.
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A
Thank you to you, Rob. I knew when they told me that you were gonna be my co host, I knew it was gonna be great. I could not have imagined it would be this good. You know, when you said Bob the drag queen f at a roundtable, cut to now we are friends. You've come to see me on Broadway. You root for me. I wore the backwards hat.
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B
We've come full circle. Let's, like, just before we go, recap in this entire season, right. I thought it was a great season overall. We both agree that Rob played a spectacular game, for sure. I think as a whole, the gamers this season were targeted early, and they've kind of have this reputation now. And I feel like the balance has to come back a little bit, because just because you're labeled a gamer doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna be so threatening and menacing and you have to be a traitor in this game.
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A
You think you have anything to do with that?
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B
I mean,
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A
for me, a big part of the game is you get to play the game how you want to play it. If you want to play it emotional, that is, to me, that is super valid. If you want to take it personal, to me, that is super valid. And if you want to play cold and surgical, also super valid.
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B
Yeah. The bottom line is different people are gonna play, you know, differently. And that's just what makes this game so great, is that you have people from all different backgrounds coming together to play this treacherous game at this castle in Scotland, and you never know what somebody's gonna bring to the table.
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A
Big thank you to you all watching at home you all see the magic that me and Rob have, the love and respect we have for the game and for each other. And honestly, without you all, this literally would not be possible. Rob, I gotta thank you more than anyone. You have made this so damn fun, and I'm gonna regret this. I am vouching for Rob. He's a great guy.
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B
Man. I gotta tell you, Bob, the feeling is mutual. When we first signed up to do this podcast, the main reason I said yes was because I knew I would be paired with you. I've always said I think you're super talented, and this has been so much fun. I also want to thank all the fans that watched us. This is wrapping up season one of the Traitors official podcast.
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A
If you guys want to follow me, you can go to seethedradqueen.com to find out where I'm going to be. Local and I'm on all social media. OB the Drag Queen. How about you, Boston Rob?
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B
I'm @BostonRob, Instagram, Twitter, wherever. Wherever your social media needs find you.
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A
All right, y'. All. And listen, keep following us hetradersus on social media so you do not miss any announcements. Season four may have just ended, but there's more drama on the way. The new season of Traders UK just started streaming today on Peacock. All right, guys, bye. Don't die.
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B
The Traders Official Podcast is a Peacock original produced by USG Audio and TH Studios.
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A
The series is hosted by me, Bob
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B
the Drag Queen and me, Boston Rob,
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A
Executive produced by Shane Redsar and Jill Johnson at TH Studios and by Josh
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B
Block at USG Audio.
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Co executive produced by Michael Wolf.
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B
Story produced by Zoe Clar.
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Post production and editing by Stephen Wong.
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B
Production by TH Studios. Production support by Josh Lalanghi at USG Audio.
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A
Music and clips provided by Studio Lambert.
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B
If you'd like to watch this podcast, you can find us on peacock or YouTube.
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A
Thanks for listening.