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The TreppWire Podcast: A Commercial Real Estate Show
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Leveraging Trepp’s market expertise and proprietary data sets, The TreppWire Podcast enables listeners to stay up-to-date on all things commercial real estate, structured finance and banking.
Featuring Trepp subject matter experts and guests from across the industry, the weekly podcast explores how recent events have impacted both the markets and the daily lives of market participants.
Questions or comments? Please contact us at podcast@trepp.com.
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406. Challenging CRE Narratives: Mid-Year Reality Check, Office Conversion Risks & Multifamily Mixed Signals
4d ago01:02:59Summary readyIn this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we take a mid-year pulse check on the commercial real estate market and revisit some of Trepp's biggest predictions for 2026. We explore why CMBS issuance continues to exceed expectations, what persistently stable delinquency rates tell us about today's credit environment, and whether the market is finally shifting from an "extend and pretend" mindset to a more definitive "resolve and recognize" approach. We also break down several of the week's most notable headlines, including the structural and economic hurdles highlighted by a stalled Manhattan office-to-residential conversion, the Texas Stock Exchange's latest milestone on its path to launch, and what recent multifamily developments reveal about today's investment landscape and capital flows. Finally, we dive into Trepp's latest research on the Midwest-versus-Sunbelt debate, examining why investors may need to look beyond familiar market narratives and focus instead on the underlying fundamentals. Tune in now. Episode notes: Economic Update (0:29)Office-to-resi Conversion in NYC (8:35)Texas Stock Exchange Launch Plans (15:37)Mid-year Check In: CMBS Issuance Growth Trends (18:44)S2 Capital Fund Collapse (42:22)AvalonBay Communities’ Acquisition of a Full City-Block in Miami (50:20)Trepp Report: Midwest Multifamily Market Analysis (52:00)Programming Notes & Shoutouts (56:59)Questions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com. Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp
Summary405. 250 Years of Commercial Real Estate, NYC Rent Freeze, Kroger's Next Move, & More
2w ago00:39:58Summary readyIn this week’s episode of the TreppWire Podcast, we mark 250 years of American commercial real estate with a special Fourth of July deep dive into the original 13 colonies and how their markets evolved. We also spotlight three historic properties still carrying active CMBS debt today. Before the history, we cover a softening macro backdrop, the New York City Rent Guidelines Board's freeze on roughly 1 million stabilized apartments, and Sergey Brin's reported exit from a New York multifamily fund at six cents on the dollar. We also hit Kroger's planned acquisition of Giant Eagle, Digital Realty's $3.5 billion data center buyout, and Target's latest store openings. Happy Fourth of July from all of us at Trepp. Tune in now. Episode notes: • Economic Update: Manufacturing, Labor & the Housing Affordability Squeeze • New York Multifamily Under Pressure: Rent Freeze & Sergey Brin's Exit • Kroger's Next Move: The $1.65B Giant Eagle Acquisition • Digital Realty Buys Out Blackstone's $3.5B Data Center Stake • 250 Years of American Real Estate: The 13 Colonies in Today's CMBS • Three Historic Properties Older Than the Country • Programming Notes & ShoutoutsQuestions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com. Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp
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404. Special Servicing in 2026: Office Workouts, Extensions, & CRE Stress with David Harrison of Midland Loan Services
2w ago00:51:49Summary readyIn this special guest episode of the TreppWire Podcast, we are joined by David Harrison, Chief Operating Officer and Head of Special Servicing at Midland Loan Services, for a discussion on commercial real estate servicing and market dynamics. David shares his non-traditional path from political science into commercial real estate finance and outlines what servicing entails, noting its focus on managing the intersection of structure, credit, legal, operational, and investor considerations. He discusses the shift from 10-year to 5-year securitization terms, explaining how shorter durations are increasing pressure on borrowers and making workouts more complex. He also highlights the rise of SASB issuance and how this shift is changing the servicing landscape. David emphasizes the importance of experienced servicers and the need for early communication and transparency to drive better outcomes. We also cover challenges in office properties, particularly in secondary markets, potential risks in data center lending, and the current tone of the overall market. Tune in now.Episode Notes• Background & Start in the Industry• What Servicing is & Misconceptions• Pooling and Servicing Agreements• Importance of Servicer Experience & Expertise• CMBS Market and Risk Challenges• SASB Issuance, Conduit CMBS• Data Center Lending Risk• ClosingQuestions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com. Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp
Summary403. Selective Capital, Greenspan's Legacy, Morgan Stanley's Dallas Bet, & 2021 Multifamily Lessons
3w ago00:58:08Summary readyIn this week’s episode of the TreppWire Podcast, we examine what is becoming one of the defining themes of today's commercial real estate market: capital is still available, but it is moving far more selectively. We break down the Federal Reserve’s increasingly hawkish stance under new chair Kevin Warsh, following the latest inflation data, and reflect on the legacy of former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan. We dive into key CRE headlines, including Wheeler REIT’s plan to sell a significant portion of its portfolio as it grapples with ongoing leverage challenges and balance sheet strain, and discuss Morgan Stanley’s potential $1.3 billion office investment in Dallas as it expands its presence in Texas. We also break down the lending landscape, where banks are increasingly lending to private credit lenders rather than making direct CRE loans. Finally, we dive into Trepp's latest research on the 2021 multifamily vintage, examining how acquisition activity differed across major and secondary markets before bringing the data to life with a case study of 10X Living at Weston as it approaches maturity. Episode notes: Economic Update: Greenspan’s Legacy (0:23) The 21st Century ROAD to Housing Act (13:27) Wheeler REIT Marketing its Portfolio (18:23) Morgan Stanley Office Tower Investment in Dallas (23:56) Commercial Real Estate Lending Evolution (32:58) Multifamily Market Analysis 2021 (38:43) Case Study: 10X Living at Weston Loan (41:48) Programming Notes (55:18) Shoutouts (55:44) Questions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com. Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp
Summary402. The New Reality: Warsh's Fed, CRE Disruption, Apollo's Exit, & Credit Risk Transfer 101
4w ago00:55:35Summary readyIn this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we discuss Kevin Warsh's first FOMC meeting as Fed Chair and what the potential end of forward guidance means for CRE investors. We also examine Apollo's decision to wind down ARI, revisit key themes from our conversation with Scott Rechler on the "Age of Disruption" and why today's environment increasingly favors operators, explore what current office cap rates may be signaling about market sentiment, and break down credit risk transfer (CRT) and its potential impact on bank lending. We close with several notable trading alerts, including Bank of America Plaza in Los Angeles and the Fairmont Austin. Tune in now.Episode notes: • Economic Update: Fed Holds Rates Steady• Apollo To Shutter Mortgage REIT Following $9B Loan Sale• Scott Rechler, RXR on the Age of Disruption, AI & NYC Office Cap Rates• 101: Credit Risk Transfer and What It Means for Bank Lending• Office Deals & Trading Alerts: BofA Plaza, 26 Broadway, Illinois Center• Deals & Trading Alerts: Multifamily, Industrial, Retail & Lodging• Programming Notes • Shoutouts Questions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com. Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp
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401. Scott Rechler, Chairman & CEO of RXR: CRE Investing In the "Age of Disruption" | Live at Trepp Connect (in NYC)
4w ago00:46:21Summary readyIn a special episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we’re bringing you a keynote conversation recorded live at Trepp Connect (in NYC). RXR Chairman & CEO Scott Rechler joined Trepp CEO Annemarie DiCola on stage to discuss what he calls the "Age of Disruption" – a period defined by rapid technological change, shifting capital markets, evolving workplace trends, and new opportunities emerging across commercial real estate.Their conversation explores higher-for-longer interest rates, the future of office, housing demand, public-private partnerships, and the investment themes shaping the next decade. Revisiting RXR's 2022 "Project Kodak" study, Scott explains how the firm identified which office assets were positioned to succeed in a post-pandemic world and why it viewed the transformation of the sector as a structural shift rather than a cyclical one.Scott also shares how RXR approaches investing through uncertainty, evaluates market dislocations, and identifies opportunities amid changing economic and policy environments. The discussion examines AI's impact on commercial real estate, the rapid growth of digital infrastructure and data centers, and why periods of disruption often create the greatest opportunities for investors and operators willing to adapt. Tune in now.Episode notes:The "Age of Disruption" and the forces reshaping commercial real estate (2:36)Investing through uncertainty and identifying market constraints (4:44)Public-private partnerships and community revitalization (11:20)The future of office and RXR's "Project Kodak" framework (21:25)Office-to-residential conversions and beyond (24:00)Emerging growth markets and long-term investment themes (28:00)AI, data centers, and the tactical and strategic perspective (31:24)Career advice for CRE professionals (41:32)Why Scott Rechler remains optimistic about the future (43:50)Questions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com.Follow Trepp:X: https://x.com/TreppWireLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/trepp/
Summary400. Liquidity is Back, (Sales) Price Discovery Isn't | CREFC Takeaways & Episode 400
Jun 1200:51:38Summary readyThis week marks a major milestone as we celebrate Episode 400 of The TreppWire Podcast. In this episode, we tackle one of the biggest questions facing commercial real estate today: are valuations beginning to stabilize, or is the market still searching for true price discovery? We break down May CPI data, recap key takeaways from the June CREFC conference, and discuss what healthy liquidity, strong CRE CLO issuance, lender competition, and a refinance-driven market may be signaling about the state of CRE.Digging through the data, we examine acquisition versus refinancing activity across CMBS issuance and what transaction volumes can tell us about market valuations. To celebrate 400 episodes, we also spotlight several notable CMBS properties with addresses in the 400s, including the JW Marriott Marco Island, PGA National Resort, Lyrik Back Bay, and the Sheraton Dallas, which also happen to be some of the market's most interesting recent transactions. Tune in now.Thank you to our listeners for being here for 400 episodes!Episode notes: Economic Update: CPI Data (0:55) Refinancing vs. Acquisition Activity (8:06) Key Themes from CREFC (17:27) CMBS Addresses in the 400s (22:02)Programming Notes (39:24)Shoutouts (42:15)Questions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com. Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp
Summary399. The Apex of CapEx? AI Sticker Shock, Data Center Delays, REIT 101, & Sports-Driven CRE
Jun 500:54:32Summary readyIn this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down macro data pointing to a resilient economy, with Institute for Supply Management (ISM) PMIs at multi-year highs, but employment components still in contraction and the Fed firmly on hold. We dig into corporate AI sticker shock, including one company's reported $500 million monthly bill, and discuss whether data center build-out delays could slow the CapEx engine driving the economy. We then cover sports and CRE: underwhelming World Cup hotel demand, the Mavericks' planned arena at the Valley View Mall site, Samsung's HQ move to Plano, and how Midtown has transformed since the Knicks' last Finals run. To close, we do a Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT) 101 and introduce Trepp's new REIT IQ tool. Tune in now.Episode notes: • Economic Update • AI Sticker Shock & Corporate AI Spending• Data Center Build-Out Delays • Trepp MCP & AI Use Cases• World Cup Hotel Demand Underwhelms• Dallas Mavericks’ Valley View Arena & Dallas Stars’ Move to Plano, TX• Samsung HQ Relocation to Plano, TX• Knicks & Midtown’s Transformation• REIT 101 & Trepp’s REIT IQ Tool• Programming Notes• Shoutouts Questions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com. Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp
Summary398. CRE’s New Math: Multifamily Cap Rates, Office Recovery Bets, & Capital Costs
May 2900:57:33Summary readyIn this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we discuss elevated rates, inflation concerns, and surprisingly resilient equity markets as capital costs continue to shape commercial real estate. We cover JPMorgan’s plan to liquidate its 24-year-old real estate fund, new NYC hotel labor agreements ahead of the World Cup, and Chicago multifamily sales surging 117%. We then break down the proposed Equity Residential and AvalonBay merger, including how to derive an implied cap rate from deal financials, and what that may signal about the disconnect between public and private market pricing in multifamily today. We also highlight key office activity, from the recapitalization of 600 California Street to a downtown Dallas departure and Braven Office Commons hitting the market. We close with two office-to-residential conversion stories, including a $114 million HUD loan from Dwight Capital for a Milwaukee project and a controversial conversion in downtown Denver. Tune in now.Episode notes: Economic Update (2:19) Chicago Multifamily Sales Up 117% (7:44)JP Morgan Liquidating Real Estate Fund (11:34)NYC Hotel Labor Agreement Ahead of the World Cup (14:08)Equity Residential & Avalon Bay Merger Analysis (18:50)Harvest Properties & Lone Star Form JV (32:00)Fifth Third Leaving Downtown Dallas (35:23)Braven Office Commons Up for Sale (39:04)Two Office-to-Resi Conversion Headlines (41:14)Programming Notes (51:00)Shoutouts (52:44) Questions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com. Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp
Summary397. What the Fed Is Really Watching, CRE’s Consolidation Wave, Why Retail Is Winning, the LA Mansion Tax Backfire & AT&T's Move to Plano
May 2200:56:14Summary readyIn this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we unpack a sharp Treasury repricing that pushed the 10-year past 4.5% and what it means for the CRE recovery. We also cover consumer warning signs from Costco, the underwhelming results of LA's mansion tax, Google and Blackstone's new AI cloud venture, and the Ares-Scion $910 million student housing portfolio deal. In our 101 segment, "Dancing with the Stars," Stephen breaks down the Fed's hidden benchmarks (R*, U*, Y*, Pi*) and how they shape rate decisions. We also dig through the data on retail originations, cover the Equity Residential and AvalonBay's $52 billion mega-merger, and run through trading alerts on 20 Times Square, 2 Manhattan West, and AT&T's new Dallas headquarters. Tune in now.Episode notes: • Economic Update: Treasury Repricing, the 4.5% CRE Threshold and Costco Consumer Signals• Google & Blackstone AI Cloud Venture• Ares & Scion Launch JV For Student Housing Portfolio• 101 Segment: Hidden Fed Benchmark• Digging Through the Data: Retail Originations by Subtype• AvalonBay & Equity Residential $52B Merger• Trading Alerts: 20 Times Square, 2 Manhattan West, AT&T Dallas HQ• Programming Notes • Shoutouts Questions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com. Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp
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