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Host 1
Seriously popular. The following episode explores a number of allegations regarding the artist Diddy. He denies all charges and has pled not guilty to sex trafficking, racketeering, and transportation to engage in prostitution. The biggest secret in the entertainment industry that really wasn't a secret at all has finally been revealed to the world.
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Marjorie Hernandez
At the height of his career, Sean Diddy Combs had it all. It seemed like everything Diddy touched turned to gold. Now the once untouchable hip hop mogul is fighting for his life as he faces multiple federal charges in New York, including sex trafficking and allegedly running a criminal enterprise.
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Kayla Brantley
Music mogul and rapper Sean Diddy Combs has faced four different lawsuits in recent weeks alleging sexual assault.
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Marjorie Hernandez
Combs can be seen grabbing Ventura and.
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Host 1
Throwing her to the ground.
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Marjorie Hernandez
Oh, this guy is dangerous. Woman has now come forward.
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Host 1
A legend comes of sexual assault. She was drugged and sexually assaulted by Combs.
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Marjorie Hernandez
I'm DailyMail.com journalist Marjorie Hernandez, and over the last six months, I've been investigating this incredible story and speaking to the people in the eye of the storm. Welcome to the trial of Diddy.
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Kayla Brantley
Hey, I'm Kayla Brantley, reporter at large for Daily Mail in Manhattan.
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Marjorie Hernandez
And I'm Marjorie Hernandez, DailyMail.com's West coast news editor.
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Kayla Brantley
And welcome to episode 21 of the trial of Diddy. And this is a very special episode, everyone, because we are actually in person. Marjorie, welcome to New York.
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Marjorie Hernandez
Thank you for having me.
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Kayla Brantley
We. This is actually the first time that we've met in person. Marjorie and I have a long distance, east coast, west coast zoom relationship.
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Marjorie Hernandez
Yes. But we get along really well.
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Kayla Brantley
We do get along really well.
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Marjorie Hernandez
No beefs here.
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Kayla Brantley
No beef. No beef at all. But yeah, it's just nice to have you. How's New York been?
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Marjorie Hernandez
It's been cold.
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Kayla Brantley
Yeah.
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Marjorie Hernandez
I mean, Cali weather, but it's been great.
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Kayla Brantley
You said you wanted snow.
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Marjorie Hernandez
I did want snow, but when I came here, it was sunny.
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Kayla Brantley
Well, good. You brought the sun. We need that. I'm over it. I'm over the cold.
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Marjorie Hernandez
Yes.
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Kayla Brantley
Well, we're deep into month five of this story and this podcast, and the news just keeps on coming. And just as we were preparing to record today, a story by Will Potter for DailyMail.com has revealed that Diddy has been accused of Sarah sexually assaulting two women at a Trump Hotel penthouse in New York City. The claims were separately filed by anonymous Jane does this week in New York Supreme Court.
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Marjorie Hernandez
Yes, these new claims alleged that he, quote, trapped them in the Limelight nightclub before moving them onto the Trump Hotel. The women claim that these incidents took place in the 1990s, but it's as yet unclear if they occurred on the same day. Will's story says that the hotel in question is believed to be the Trump International, which opened in 1997. Now, in the first lawsuit, the woman said she was assaulted by Diddy several times, including in California, with one specific allegation claiming that she was coerced into group sex after attending an event at the Limelight. The lawsuit says Combs organized the event at the club and the top two floors were dedicated to, quote, exclusive sex parties involving group sexual activities directed by and involving Combs. The woman claimed that when she tried to leave, she was ordered to stay before being taken with her friend to the Trump Hotel penthouse, where she claimed she was drugged and forced to participate in group sex activities during which she was sexually assaulted over a number of hours.
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Kayla Brantley
Yeah, Marjorie, these are accusations that it feels like we've already heard before, like it's really the same type of M.O. as, you know, a lot of the other accusers. And there was actually a second lawsuit that's equally as shocking, this time saying the plaintiff claimed she tried to get away from the group sex party and even fought with Diddy's security guard. Now, that lawsuit claims that Diddy slapped and detained her, leaving her, quote, fearing for her life. Diddy's own security guard then allegedly took the woman to a penthouse at the Trump Hotel in Midtown. The Jane Doe claims she was then taken to a room with the security guard who, quote, assaulted her physically and sexually while Combs watched, as well as being forced to take what she believes to have been ecstasy or similar party drug.
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Marjorie Hernandez
The suit goes on to say that both women were forced to engage in a group sex activity that she did not want to participate in. But Combs had made it clear that they had no choice and that they were not allowed to leave. Diddy and his legal team have denied the claims.
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Kayla Brantley
And also this week, the ever exuberant Texas based attorney, Tony Busby, who we all know that name, he represents. Dozens of accusers claimed that Diddy could expect to face more than 10 new civil lawsuits in the coming days. If you can believe it, there's more that's supposed to be coming out. Busby made the announcement while filing a claim on behalf of a man who alleges he was assaulted by diddy back in 2015. The lawsuit claims the accuser, a 23 year old male, was performing at an event that Diddy attended and then was drugged at an after party and assaulted.
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Marjorie Hernandez
Yeah, that's right, Kaylan, that the suit covers a time when the plaintiff gained an opportunity to perform at an LA club where Combs was in attendance. Now, the man alleges that he was informed that if he performed well, Diddy might be interested in discussing a deal with his Bad Boy record label after what he says was, quote, an excellent performance. The claimant alleges that he was taken to an after party where the VIP section contained, quote, countless bottles of Combs's vodka, as well as quoted substances such as marijuana, cocaine and ecstasy.
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Kayla Brantley
And after drinking something offered by Diddy, the plaintiff says he, quote, quickly felt lightheaded and realized he had been, quote, drugged. He soon lost consciousness, he says. The lawsuit states that while he drifted in and out of consciousness, the man witnessed Combs and his entourage allegedly engage in, quote, group sexual activity with attendees who appeared either drugged, unconscious, or as if they were paid escorts. As many other cases that we've read about, this man claims that he woke up to being assaulted by Combs. And when he tried to leave, Combs security intervened, and Diddy himself allegedly threatened to derail his career chances.
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Marjorie Hernandez
And if that's not enough for this week, it's also been announced that Diddy now faces three other sexual assault lawsuits, including one that claims he, quote, effectively imprisoned a male adult entertainer, which it seems safe to assume is a polite way of saying stripper or possibly a porn star. So yesterday Tuesday, an anonymous John Doe filing in New York Southern District Court made the allegation that Diddy coerced them into sex acts over a number of years. The claimant, who had worked as an adult entertainer in Las Vegas, alleges he was hired by Combs in 2007 to perform a strip show and was later booked on a number of other occasions. Up until 2012, all of the bookings were for hotel rooms or private Combs residences across the U.S. the lawsuit, which.
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Kayla Brantley
Was obtained by Rolling Stone, claims that Combs instructed the man to, quote, perform acts that were outside the scope of the agreed upon performance and limitations set by the plaintiff and his agency. These acts included sexual intercourse with women, and the John Doe alleges Combs sexually and physically assaulted him, drugged him with Viagra, and covertly filmed the sexual encounters to use as blackmail material. He also claims Combs manipulated him by promising to assist in the man's long desired music career. The suit goes on to claim that Combs, quote, dehumanized the plaintiff and reduced him to a mere object for Combs own amusement and to satisfy his own sexual fetishes. Before making the allegations that Diddy, quote, gravely exploited the plaintiff, effectively imprisoning him and controlling him through surreptitious surveillance and filming. Combs's lawyers have, of course, denied the allegations. And actually, Marjorie, you got this statement from his team that read, quote, no matter how many lawsuits are filed, it won't change the fact that Mr. Combs has never sexually assaulted or sex trafficked anyone, man or woman, adult or minor. Fortunately, a fair and impartial judicial process exists to separate fact from fiction, and Mr. Combs is confident that he will prevail in court.
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Marjorie Hernandez
As ever with this case, there is more. On the same day, two other women also filed their lawsuits anonymously have alleged that they were drugged and sexually assaulted on multiple occasions at Diddy's parties during the 1990s. One of the women alleges that an assault against her was filmed and that Diddy refused her request to delete the footage. Combs's lawyers have since denied these allegations in a statement that his legal team provided to us. And as we have said multiple times, it's important to remember Diddy and his legal team have always denied these allegations, stating, quote, as we have said before, Mr. Combs cannot respond to every publicity stunt or factually ridiculous claim. He has full confidence in the facts and the judicial process where the truth will prevail. The accusations against him are pure fiction.
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Kayla Brantley
That was a lot like, I hope everyone's still with us. That was a very big update. I feel like that was 21 episodes worth of information in one update. And Diddy is now entering his fifth month of being held at New York's Metropolitan Detention Center. He's been denied bail three times as he awaits trial on federal charges. And those charges to which he consistently pleaded not guilty are that he, quote, abused, threatened, and coerced women and others and led a racketeering conspiracy that engaged in sex trafficking, forced labor, gay kidnapping, arson, bribery, and obstruction of justice, among other crimes.
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Marjorie Hernandez
As we all know by now, the start date for Diddy's trial is set for three months. Today we record this May 5th.
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Kayla Brantley
Yeah, it's February 5th, so we'll see in three months if we're there.
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Marjorie Hernandez
But, you know, someone who's always loudly cast out on the date, being realistic is our guest this week, New Jersey criminal defense attorney and longtime friend of the show, David Gelman.
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Kayla Brantley
We absolutely love having you on. You give such great insights. And Marjorie actually has the update from last week. We did do a mini episode, but we didn't have your legal expertise to talk about It. The superseding indictment.
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Host 1
Oh, yeah.
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Marjorie Hernandez
David, can you talk a little bit about that? From our understanding, there's two additional female victims included in the superseding indictment. And I was just wondering, obviously, from a legal standpoint, what that means for Diddy. Will he have to reappear in court on these new allegations?
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Host 1
So, Marjorie? Yeah, he'll probably have to be rearranged again. It doesn't stop the clock, per se, so it doesn't mean, like, all right, well, now they're gonna have to reset everything and that they're gonna have more motions, and the trial date will be pushed back, although it will be pushed back and still don't go with that one. And this superseding indictment, it doesn't really have any teeth. It just has other individuals. There's no more charges that they're charging him with. It's just more allegations. And it's. It's very interesting because normally when you do have a superseding indictment, there's an addition, there's additional charges. Here. It's just, you know, two more individuals coming forward that they have that they are going to potentially testify. But just like the other ones, we don't know who they are. They don't. They just say Jane Doe. So we don't know who they are, where this happened, what the actual specificity of the allegations. So it's just more firepower, if you will, for the U.S. attorney's office against Diddy.
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Kayla Brantley
David, I was going to ask that. Why do you think they didn't file any extra charges? Since you said that, that's pretty typical, you know.
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Host 1
Okay, that's a great question. I don't know either. They are witnesses who can't really provide much. That would be my. My inclination. Again, when you're a Prosecutor and a U.S. attorney. All right, you load everything up, you throw the kitchen sink against the defendant, and you do it for one reason, one reason only. You want them to try to plead to something. Now, you don't know what it's going to be that they're going to plead to, but you want them to plead something. And by having all these charges against them, that is just. It makes it more difficult for them to potentially fight. And that just gives the prosecutor another advantage in the fight. So that's where they'll typically be able to get a plea. You know, Diddy is not the typical defendant, though, as we've discussed multiple times. So I don't know if this is really going to move the needle that much.
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Kayla Brantley
And then we also had new Allegations come out just today that he's now been accused of sexually assaulting two women at a Trump Hotel penthouse in New York. This is, again, Jane Does. That was this week in New York Supreme Court. But again, this is just another lawsuit, and this one, I believe is a civil lawsuit. This isn't criminal.
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Marjorie Hernandez
Yes.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Kayla Brantley
So that's just tacking. On top of everything else, how do you think that Diddy's team is now strategizing these new allegations? On top of everything, you know, they're.
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Host 1
Civil, so the burden of proof is much lower than it would be in a criminal court. That's number one. I don't know the credibility of these individuals. I know one was a male. He was a stripper, I want to say. And that the allegation is that Diddy, you know, made him perform all these sexual acts that was outside of the scope of what he originally contracted to do and that Diddy promised him. Oh, I'm going to get you to become a big star in the music industry. From what I was reading, these lawsuits, they're very, very old from when they occurred. They don't have specific dates. The women, the two women who are suing Diddy that just came out today, they are saying that they worked for him for a period of time, so they were employees. These things all happened so long ago that it really. It just, you know, it makes you pause for a second to say, why are you doing this now? Why not then? And even. Let's just say they were afraid of retribution from Diddy. Okay, I can understand that, but why are you now doing it as a trial or for Diddy is getting closer and closer, and the criminal case is already seen a lot of. A lot of lawsuits. It gives me pause. Are they doing this for notoriety, publicity, money, all three, potentially, or, you know, is this true? I. I can't be the judge of that. I don't know the. All the facts and everything like that, but it's just very, very weird to me. And. And suspect, if you will, that you got these people filing lawsuits from 20 years ago, and it can only be done in New York because they have the new statute. So you can't do it in like. Like Texas or, you know, even California for that matter.
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Marjorie Hernandez
Now, all of these lawsuits follow that same pattern that they allege that they were given drink, drugged and woke up to being assaulted by Diddy or his associates. And I was just wondering how that plays into all the other cases. Fact that it seems like it's setting up this pattern of behavior.
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Host 1
Yeah, you're right. Definitely a common denominator almost that it's alleged that Diddy drugs them, spikes their drinks with something. Then you know, for the males it seems like he's giving them Viagra. For the females or give, he's giving them other drugs to keep them up. And it also talk about the freak offs, how they're occurring for multiple days at a time. It does sound like there is a pattern. You're 100 correct. Now think about it though. If I'm the, if I'm the opposing council, if I'm Diddy's counsel, you and all these individuals are filing lawsuits after the original lawsuits have been filed. Well, my argument is they have all read the lawsuits. So now you're just piggybacking off of this. Who you know, how can you tell this is real or not? That would be my argument at least. Because the other, these new lawsuits they all have read and they all are up to date on the status quo, I guess, for, for Diddy. So that's why I'm very, very hesitant. But I don't know if that'll even come in in the criminal trial whenever that happens, if it does happen, because there are certain things that may be allowed to come in, certain things that may not be able to allow to come in. That's all the discovery and the motions that'll be litigated by the teams.
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Kayla Brantley
So you're saying there's a chance that all of these civil cases won't even be allowed to be brought up during the criminal case?
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Host 1
I, I think it's a strong possibility. I'm not saying every one of them because I don't know if some of these individuals are actual witnesses in the state's case against Diddy. Nobody knows because they all say Jane Doe and John Doe. So I, I have no idea. But I would venture to guess that the judge will probably not allow most of this evidence to come in, although they already have enough evidence.
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Marjorie Hernandez
It sounds like the now to date there is over 30 at this point of individual lawsuits. And I was wondering, it could be at any point that these plaintiffs might come together and file together. Is that a possibility you think about.
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Host 1
A class action lawsuit? Yes, maybe. You know, you have to have a class that's number one. So you have to have, you know, multiple individuals. I'll be honest with you, I never thought about that until right now. That's a good question.
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Kayla Brantley
What would you the benefit be a filing class action versus, you know, just an individual suit?
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Host 1
There's power numbers. That's that's kind of the biggest thing in this. You know, the problem is though, like when you have a class action lawsuit, right? Think about like automobiles, right, with cars, you know, these airbags don't work or something like that. So all these individuals have the same exact car and the same exact issue happens where their airbags don't work. All right, you gotta have a class action lawsuit here. I don't know if you'd be able to do it exactly, because how are you going to specify the exact acts and how are they going to be the exact same? I don't know if you're going to be able to do that. So I think they're really going to have to do individually. Now they all could join potentially, but that's still, that's definitely different than a class action lawsuit. So you can all join in it and you're going to have different claims. Yeah, that's a possibility. You could maybe do that again. Power numbers, I don't, you know, but I don't know how they're going to do it. And let's be honest here, Diddy's companies right now, I don't know how liquid they are, how much, you know, what is their financial status. They could be leveraged up to their eyeballs potentially. Especially with Diddy's legal issues that he has. And he has spent a ton of money on lawyers and everything else. I'd be very interested to see the financial wherewithal that Diddy has right now and its companies.
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Kayla Brantley
David, this is exactly what I wanted to ask you. This has been going on for five months now, and there just seems to be more and more allegations and suits and everything coming out. And clearly he has a very big and powerful legal team, it appears, working around the clock. How much does something like that cost someone?
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Host 1
Oh, my God, these legal teams going to retire. I mean, you know, this is like a wet dream for them. For an attorney, I can't even imagine how much money they are charging. The retainer fee alone has to be insane. Had been $10 million, maybe, maybe more.
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Marjorie Hernandez
We're just talking about the criminal case, right? Not even.
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Host 1
Yeah, yeah, because he has. On the criminal case, I want to say it's at least three attorneys that are known. And then you gotta understand, you always got attorneys in the background doing all the kind of the grunt work. So, you know, like me, when I go to court, I'm like the face, I like to talk and all that kind of stuff. I have the other, I have the other attorneys in my firm doing all the research, and then I can just deal with that. They're the real. They're the real workers, you know, when it comes to law firms. But the hours that they are putting into it have to be astronomical. And look, this is a very high profile, high powered attorney firm in New York that Diddy has. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're charging 12, $1500 an hour, maybe more for all I know.
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Kayla Brantley
Wow.
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Host 1
I mean, it's. It's got to be insane. And then. And that, and that. Also, remember, that doesn't include travel and the investigation that the legal team has to do. So that's all money that Diddy has to pay for as well. The sky's the limit. I mean, they see a whale, they're going to jump on it.
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Kayla Brantley
So if you had to give a very rough estimate, would you say it's like hundreds of millions? How much do you think Diddy's paid by now?
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Host 1
Right now, I'd say it's got to be, I don't know, hundreds of millions. I think that might be a little high, but I could see it being in the 20 to 30 million dollars range right now. I think that. I think that'd be very realistic.
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Kayla Brantley
I mean, he was reported to be a billionaire at one point, so I wonder how much he has left.
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Host 1
I think that. I think it might be going from a B to an M real quick.
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Kayla Brantley
Yeah. If not to a T. Yeah, exactly.
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Host 1
Exactly. Exactly. Although, you know, frankly, Daddy, you can always come here, all right? I'll be more than happy. And I'll give you a discounted rate, too.
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Kayla Brantley
So David wants to retire, too.
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Marjorie Hernandez
I'm in.
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Host 1
You know, I'm ready to go golfing in the warm weather.
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Kayla Brantley
We have so much more coming up, but for now, let's pause for a break.
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Marjorie Hernandez
Welcome back to the trial of Diddy. We're still here with criminal defense attorney David Gelman over the weekend.
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Kayla Brantley
I know. I got a notification on my phone. I'm sure Marjorie did. Maybe you did, David and our listeners did that Diddy was taken to the hospital in the middle of the night. Once, you know, you read further into it, it appeared he had a preexisting knee condition and that that needed to be treated. Is that something that's typical for, you know, any of your clients, if you need to go to the hospital, that it's done in this, like, covert way in the middle of the night? Or was that, you know, a special thing for Diddy?
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Host 1
Do you think you know that? It's a good question. Typically, no. I, frankly, any of my clients who have been incarcerated, I've never heard of them being transported in the middle night unless it's an emergency. Diddy is obviously a very special individual. He shouldn't get preferential treatment where he's at, but let's face it, he's going to be. There's just no way around it. Yeah, he's not like the regular Joe Schmo that's incarcerated in that facility. So I don't know if this was done for security reasons, which it may have been, because being late at night, the hospital is going to be a lot less crowded, paparazzi is not going to be around, and the jail could facilitate it a little easier because you're not going to have inmates roaming around all the time. So I think that could be one of the reasons, if not the main reason, that they did that at that time. But is it common to do these types of things in the middle of the night? No, it's not. From what I'm reading, it's not like it was a life save. It wasn't like an emergency.
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Marjorie Hernandez
Right. Yeah, there was some speculation out there that there was. That he might have been involved in the fight or something, but my sources said no, it was a knee injury. He was a marathoner. So he just needed an MRI for his knee.
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Host 1
Yeah, I mean, I don't. I think this is something that was planned. Yeah, I really do. And I just think it was just convenient at night to kind of not let anybody really know about it. Because think about it, if people knew that, oh, Diddy's going to the hospital, go get an mri.
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Kayla Brantley
Forget it. Yeah, we would have been all over it. Everyone wants the picture of Diddy, like the first picture. You know, there have been reports that he's kind of like emaciated, has gotten.
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Marjorie Hernandez
Lost a lot of weight.
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Kayla Brantley
Yeah, lost a lot of weight, hasn't been eating. And of course, these hearings are, you know, non televised. You can't take pictures. All we get is those court sketches. So photos of Diddy for the first time would go wild.
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Host 1
Oh, yeah, that's big money. Big money.
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Marjorie Hernandez
In terms of even transporting an inmate, obviously, of such notoriety. Do they lock down the hospital or the area where he goes to? How does that all pan out?
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Host 1
Well, they're going to have a ton of security around him. I mean, Diddy isn't even going to be allowed to go to the bathroom without somebody there with him. So the, the security for some of that is going to be tremendous. Are they going to lock down the hospital? I. I highly doubt that, but they would. He's not going to go in the main entrance. I want to tell you that, like, through the emergency room, like, you know, anybody normally would. They're going to have a back entrance. They're going to go through the back ways of the hospital, through potentially the service elevators and whatnot. I would be very shocked if people even knew he was there besides the individuals who were taking the mri. Other than that, I think it's like, you know, like, pretty covert.
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Marjorie Hernandez
David, can you talk a little bit about also, you know, Diddy sitting there in his cell as more lawsuits come forward and this, his criminal case kind of moves along, what it's like for him to be in that jail waiting in anticipation as even more things pop up almost every day?
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Host 1
Well, I've never been in jail, so I can't really give you a pronoun.
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Marjorie Hernandez
For your clients that you've spoken to who's been sitting there.
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Host 1
So I would imagine it's probably pretty frustrating. And look, you are not in a very large place. You're in a. Your jail cell is very small. And my clients, from what I, you know, from what they've told me in the past and. And whatnot, all you can do is think about that, and, you know, it's probably going. It could make somebody crazy. It really could. Because all you do during the day is you have your case. And then also I like to call these individuals jailhouse attorneys. So all these other inmates in there that are potentially talking to you, they're going to be like, oh, well, you should do this, or. Or your attorney should do this, or you should research this and this. Like, they're jailhouse attorneys, so they make attorneys jobs like myself way more difficult. I always tell this to clients. Just don't ever listen to what anybody in the jail says to you regarding legal advice. All right? You want to listen to them about what they eat, go for it. But when they tell you what to do in court, tell them you should shut up, because you don't. Because they just, you know, they don't know what the heck they're talking about.
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Kayla Brantley
And then they come to you like, well, I heard, David, why don't you.
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Host 1
Do this every time? Every time. I'm glad they went to law school and they've been studying all this. That's great. But, yeah, it's. It's. It's definitely going. It's difficult for. For them. And, you know, Diddy, especially, because you got to think about a regular inmate there all Right. They only have. They only have one case to think about to, to really think about. All right. Diddy, on the other hand, not only has this criminal case, which is very, very big and very complex, but now he has 30, you know, at least 30 lawsuits that are pending against him. You know, it's, I'm sure it's a very, it's very stressful. It's going to put a big toll on his mental health, obviously, as it would anybody, I would think. And then, you know, let's also point to the fact that there's a possibility, and I'm sure, and Diddy knows this, he'll never step foot out of a facility, so he's going to be in some type of a penitentiary for the rest of his life. So add all of that together and it's a, It's a bad situation. I don't want to speculate about how he's feeling or anything, but I would, I would anticipate that's probably pretty close.
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Kayla Brantley
Yeah. And one of our previous guests, Larry Levine, who has experience behind bars, has said, you know, that a lot of these people are getting antidepressants and antianxiety meds because, you know, you know, just coping with that, being behind bars for potentially the rest of your life. The weight of that is huge.
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Host 1
Yeah, yeah. Take it another little step on it. You know, his family on the outside, they're taking all the brunt, if you will. They're, you know, they're taking bullets for what he's been, for what he's accused of, and they're definitely not going to be living the same life they did a year ago. So I'm sure that's probably weighing on his mind as well.
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Kayla Brantley
So for now, that was a lot, and that is it. And as we prepare for Diddy's trial in May or whenever it might actually happen, what other trials would you like us to cover? Let us know by email. The trial dailymail.com or you can WhatsApp us at/4477966, 5-7512. Make sure to start your message with Trial.
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Marjorie Hernandez
As ever, thank you for listening and thanks again to our guest this week, David Gelman. Please share all of your comments, suggestions and thoughts on the trial of Diddy on Apple or Spotify and follow us on TikTok@DailyMailCrime. Do follow the trial of Diddy as we will be here each week with fresh information, new insights, and some expert guests.
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Kayla Brantley
Goodbye.