BONUS: An Interview with Baby Oil Influencer, Arman Wiggins

Summary

The Trial of Diddy: Bonus Episode Summary – An Interview with Baby Oil Influencer, Armand Wiggins

Release Date: July 9, 2025

In this compelling bonus episode of "The Trial of Diddy," hosts Kayla Brantley and Germania Rodriguez sit down with Armand Wiggins, a prominent media personality, to delve into his unique and controversial role in covering the high-profile trial of Sean 'Diddy' Combs. This in-depth interview offers listeners an insider’s perspective on the challenges and unforeseen consequences Armand faced while reporting on one of the most scrutinized legal battles of the decade.

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1. Armand Wiggins: From Pop Culture Enthusiast to Trial Reporter

Background and Motivation

Armand Wiggins introduces himself as a media personality with a passion for covering pop culture, hip-hop news, and significant legal cases, such as the Megan Thee Stallion and Tory Lanez incidents. Since 2019, Armand has dedicated himself full-time to this niche, blending entertainment with journalism. When the Diddy trial emerged in 2023, Armand recognized its cultural significance and resolved to provide comprehensive coverage.

"When the lawsuit originally came out back in 2023, I told myself I was like, I'm covering this case. So I said, I'm gonna make sure that I be at the Diddy trial. Cause it's gonna be huge for the culture and it's gonna be big for me and my fans." [03:16]

To fully immerse himself in the trial, Armand relocated to New York, securing an Airbnb and committing two months to document every aspect of the proceedings.

2. The Viral Baby Oil Incident: Unintended Consequences

The Incident Unfolds

On the final day of the trial, amidst the intense atmosphere, Armand and his colleague Uda, a fellow YouTuber, engaged in a spontaneous act that would soon spiral into a viral phenomenon. What began as a lighthearted "More Oil" celebration quickly escalated when Uda began squirting baby oil on Armand. This act was meant to be a humorous nod to the trial's intense moments but was captured by numerous cameras, leading to widespread misunderstanding.

"I have been going viral on TikTok. I've been going viral all online, you know, and it almost seems like this one baby oil incident erased all of that." [05:14]

3. Misinterpretation and Public Backlash

From Satire to Scandal

Armand explains that the intention behind the baby oil act was never to support Diddy but to provide a digestible and relatable way to discuss the trial's heavy subjects. However, the timing and representation in the media led to a stark misinterpretation.

"It was irresponsible. Even if my people and my fans and I knew my intent behind it, it doesn't matter when you have 150 cameras out there in a heightened situation like that." [12:03]

The incident was widely reported with headlines suggesting that Diddy supporters were celebrating a non-guilty verdict, casting Armand in an unfavorable light despite his clarifications.

4. Personal Reflections and Accountability

Regrets and Lessons Learned

Acknowledging the repercussions, Armand expresses deep regret over the incident, emphasizing that it was never his intention to trivialize the victims' experiences.

"I regret it for the simple fact that people were hurting. And it teaches me never to be above reproach. And if you make a mistake, be humble enough to say, hey, I didn't mean that, and I apologize." [13:38]

He takes full responsibility for the missteps, recognizing that the heightened environment and multiple cameras made it challenging to control the narrative.

5. The Role of Independent Media in High-Profile Trials

Challenges Faced by YouTubers and Influencers

Armand discusses the evolving landscape of journalism, highlighting the struggles independent content creators face in gaining respect compared to traditional media professionals. He underscores the importance of authenticity and relatability that independent YouTubers bring to the table, despite the skepticism they often encounter.

"There's something to be said for the people that can go and reach their audience, because there's a rawness, there's a realness, there's a relatability." [14:24]

He also touches upon the misconceptions about independent reporters' intentions, defending his work as a genuine effort to inform and engage his audience rather than exploit the trial for personal gain.

6. Impact on Followers and Personal Reputation

Dealing with Backlash and Loss of Followers

The viral baby oil incident led to significant backlash, including loss of followers and widespread hate. Armand candidly shares his experience of enduring public criticism and the challenges of restoring his reputation.

"I got a lot of hate. And there was a lot of people saying, he was doing so good and he just sabotaged himself." [12:35]

Despite the negativity, Armand remains resilient, viewing the experience as a catalyst for personal and professional growth.

7. Experiences on the Ground During the Trial

Commitment and Sacrifice

Armand narrates the lengths he went to cover the trial, including sleeping outdoors at 2 AM to secure early access to the courtroom. His dedication underscores his commitment to providing comprehensive coverage despite the personal hardships involved.

"I slept out there on my back. 2am Hoodie on, glasses on, you know what I mean?" [17:31]

8. Future Endeavors and Continuing the Journey

Looking Ahead

Despite the setbacks, Armand remains optimistic about his future in media. He hints at expanding his repertoire to include more radio, television, and film projects, while still expressing interest in covering future trials.

"What's next? Well, you just have to wait and see. I know a lot of people say that But I got some things cooking. I'm excited for it." [20:27]

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Conclusion

Armand Wiggins' interview provides a nuanced look into the complexities faced by modern media personalities covering high-stakes legal cases. His honest reflections on the viral baby oil incident reveal the precarious balance between engaging content and responsible journalism. As "The Trial of Diddy" continues to captivate audiences worldwide, Armand's experiences serve as a cautionary tale and a testament to the ever-evolving nature of media in the digital age.

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Transcript

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[Armand Wiggins]

The biggest secret in the entertainment industry that really wasn't a secret at all.

[Hannah Burner]

At the Height of his career, Sean.

[Armand Wiggins]

Diddy Combs had it all.

[Kayla Brantley]

Everything Diddy touched turned to gold. Now he faces multiple federal charges in New York, including sex trafficking and allegedly running a criminal enterprise.

[Hannah Burner]

Another woman has now come forward alleging.

[Kayla Brantley]

Combs of sexual assault. Music mogul and rapper Sean Diddy Combs. She claims she was drugged and sexually assaulted by Combs.

[Armand Wiggins]

Oh, this guy is dangerous.

[Kayla Brantley]

From freak offs to the mysterious list, the shocking case that has gripped the world is finally here. And we'll be bringing you every detail as it happens. Welcome to the trial of Diddy. Welcome to the trial of Diddy. I'm Kayla Brantley here with a special bonus episode with Armand Wiggins. So you have been covering this trial since the beginning. You're based in la, you traveled here to New York and you stayed here the entire eight week trial?

[Armand Wiggins]

Yeah. So when the lawsuit originally came out back in 2023, I told myself I was like, I'm covering this case. So I said, I'm gonna make sure that I be at the Diddy trial. Cause it's gonna be huge for the culture and it's gonna be big for me and my fans and, you know, it's a huge moment. And so I saved my money and then I started looking for Airbnbs in New York and, you know, I slowly started following the case and I was like, all right, now at the time, I booked everything, I booked my flight and I moved down here for two months.

[Kayla Brantley]

Let's take it back a little bit.

[Armand Wiggins]

Okay.

[Kayla Brantley]

Can you let our listeners know a bit about your background, what you do, who you are?

[Armand Wiggins]

Yes. Okay, so I'm media personality. I cover pop culture, hip hop, news trials, female rap music. So I've been doing this full time since about 2019.

[Kayla Brantley]

So do you have a background in journalism or is it just like a love for entertainment?

[Armand Wiggins]

It's like more of a love for entertainment. And then the journalism thing came kind of just like as I was interested in the reporting of pop culture news. Like that Megan Thee Stallion Tory Lanez case was so interesting to me. I followed it from top to bottom. And if it wasn't for my aud, I probably wouldn't be doing this because they almost like forced me to do it. Like, there's times where I'm like, well, I don't want to do it. And before I even told them that I was covering the case, they're like, you better be covering the Diddy trial because you did the Tory Lane. So it was almost like now a requirement. Now, like, after this, I can't just not. Not cover another trial again or they're going to be pissed.

[Kayla Brantley]

Right.

[Armand Wiggins]

So they just kind of threw me into it.

[Kayla Brantley]

And part of the reason you are here.

[Armand Wiggins]

Yes.

[Kayla Brantley]

Is because of your coverage of Diddy trial. You were there outside on verdict day. There's a video that went viral, and it was showing you and others spraying baby oil.

[Armand Wiggins]

Oh, my gosh.

[Kayla Brantley]

That video went viral. Can you explain how that all went down?

[Armand Wiggins]

Yes. Okay, so the infamous baby oil. Can I just first start off by saying for 60 days of this trial, I have been going viral on TikTok. I've been going viral all online, you know, and it almost seems like this one baby oil incident erased all of that.

[Kayla Brantley]

I mean, it was shocking. It was an incident.

[Armand Wiggins]

Yes.

[Kayla Brantley]

Everyone I knew was talking about it.

[Armand Wiggins]

And you know what I mean? Some people will say that's a good thing for me. I'm just like, I wish it wouldn't have happened that way just because I know, you know, we can't. I can do as many interviews in the planet, but there's still going to be somebody that says, that is the jerk that did the baby oil thing. And he was so insensitive. And it doesn't matter that for 60 days we were literally making satire comedy out of the whole thing. I want to make it very clear here. The way that I was reporting and the reason why I think I was able to gain over 70,000 subscribers in the first two weeks that I was reporting the case is because I took a very eerie, dark, and kind of grim situation and made it digestible to people because, you know, we didn't. We weren't making light or making fun of the victims in any circumstances. We never want to do that. But honestly, I'm not the type of reporter that, you know, I'm not a reporter that's going to sit in front of the camera and, hey, this is, you know, this is what happened today. I've sat in court all day. You've sat in court all day. So what we're going to do now, I'm going to talk to you like you're my friend, and we're going to talk about the crazy stuff that we saw in that courtroom. So it might come across like, girl, did you see they were shooting baby oil and they was doing a lot. And the other girl said this and that, and do you. Can you believe she said this? So that is how I deliver, because I want my people to understand, like, listen, this is kitchen table talk, and we're doing it that way. And so that is how, you know, the More Oil. And things like that started to come eventually. You know, we talked about, you know, I didn't even know it was a thing when Diddy came out and was telling the escorts that there needed to be more oil. More Oil. I literally was just telling my audience, like, yeah, this is a part of the story. He would even get upset and say, listen, there needs to be more oil. More oil that took fire on its own. So when I'm walking down the street in New York, anywhere I go, people yell at me, more oil. More oil. And so that just became a thing, right? And so I also started a More Oil fund. The More Oil fund was my Venmo, or AKA Cash App account, because New York is expensive, right? And so they were donating to the More Oil fund so we can continue covering the case. So More Oil became a thing for my audience, and I. It grew wings outside of Diddy and Cassie, you know. And so what ended up happening on the final day? We were just having a good time, you know? And who.

[Kayla Brantley]

Who is we?

[Armand Wiggins]

Just the people, the energy, like the reporters, the independent media. Like, we had been here at this trial from start to finish. We were tired. We celebrated them making it to the end. You know, for me, that was kind of like the energy I was on. And so I was like, you know what? And if anybody watches me, they know that I'm in this little, like 300 square foot Airbnb room, right? And I'm recording my videos. And there's a wooden wall or like a closet. There's a little door, and there's a closet right by me. And at any given moment, I just think, quick, I'll come behind that closet with a prop. It could be oil. It could be a hanger, it could be a chair. I just do stuff. And so I'm walking and a little light bulb said, go buy some baby oil.

[Kayla Brantley]

So you bought the baby oil?

[Armand Wiggins]

Well, I didn't. I told my guy. I was like, his name is Uda. He's a YouTuber there too. He was a YouTuber. He's the one that actually threw the baby oil on me. I said, hey, I'm gonna go buy some baby oil. He was like, wait, don't go buy baby oil. I have baby oil and Astroglide. I was like, really? I was like, we should do a More oil right here. He's like, let's do it. And I was gonna do it for his YouTube channel. So I was like, all right, let's do a More oil. So we're gearing it up, gearing up. The. More oil, more oil. And so he starts squirting it on me. I was giving him content because he was a good guy. He was supporting me, you know, he always, you know, shouted out my outfit. So he was a smaller content creator. But I was just like, you know what, I'm going to show him some love on this day. I'm in a good mood. Let me give his audience some more oral love. Because they always like what I got on or whatever the case may be. So I was just vibing with him, to be honest with you. And before you know it, there was a crowd of people with cameras, lights, like television cameras, and they were all coming around and I was like, okay, we're in it now.

[Kayla Brantley]

I was outside the courtroom that day. It was madness. There were people everywhere. There were some people chanting Free Puff Daddy. There were hubs of people who would pop up, crowds of people who would gather around. The police were kind of dispersing. So you had to know that people would watch and people would see you.

[Armand Wiggins]

Right. So yeah, we knew that. Right. But what we didn't know is once everything happened, the headline would be Diddy supporters squirt oil in celebration of non guilty verdict on rico. I had no idea that that was gonna be the case, cuz that wasn't what I was doing it for. I had never been a diddy supporter. However, what I didn't realize is, you know, the timing. So this is why I take full accountability for actually what was said or like why people feel the way. Because my timing wasn't right, but me being a diddy supporter just isn't true.

[Kayla Brantley]

So you can say here you are absolutely not a diddy supporter.

[Armand Wiggins]

Absolutely 100% not. I was literally arguing with people on the fact that I feel like he's guilty of all three charges. It's just the prosecution did not do their job in providing the right information for the rico. And then for, for the sex trafficking. You could see it if you wanted to, but you can also not see it. It really wasn't clear. And Jane Doe, I think was a big reason for him getting off on those two charges. Any person watching those videos in there, watching him kick her, step on her and drag her by her hair like that, she was trafficked to me. And he needs to go down for that, hands down. So in no world was this about being a diddy supporter. We have been doing this type of style content for 60 days straight, you know, and so we were just having fun. There But I understand why it got misrepresented in the media that way.

[Kayla Brantley]

Yeah, well, I think especially because there actually were Diddy supporters outside. You know, you saw the people in the FRICO is not RICO shirts, and you saw people really celebrating. So I think it was pretty easy to get confused as one of those supporters. But do you believe that all publicity is good publicity in this situation?

[Armand Wiggins]

I'll say no. If I could do it over, I wouldn't do it. So if that means I wouldn't be sitting here with you today, I'm fine with that. That's gonna be a fight that now I have to keep trying to explain over and over and over, and people are still. There's gonna be a lot of people that don't believe it. Like, you know, I can try to clear my name all day long, but what sticks are those videos that were all over. And so for me, I think that I would've much rather not had that be out there than had that be out there and then have to do this.

[Kayla Brantley]

Did you get a lot of followers after that?

[Armand Wiggins]

Absolutely not. I got a lot of hate.

[Kayla Brantley]

Did you lose followers?

[Armand Wiggins]

Absolutely. And there was a lot of people saying, he was doing so good and he just sabotaged himself. I got a lot of people celebrating, like, how bad it was. People were excited about it. And that's when I knew. I was like, wow, people are really, really excited about it. So I said, you know what? This is why I have to learn to grow up, Armand, and, you know, control your narrative. Because it was irresponsible. Even if I. Even if my people and my fans and I knew my intent behind it, it doesn't matter when you have 150 cameras out there in a heightened situation like that. You gotta be smarter than that. You can't just go out there and be loose and all willy nilly. And then you look up and there's a headline, and then you're thinking, well, why would they do that? Well, fool, you gave it to them. But it's just that it was not my intention to do so.

[Kayla Brantley]

Obviously, you know, those headlines went wild and those pictures of when everything was seized and they saw, you know, gallons and gallons of baby oil, how that could be perceived as kind of making light of the victims.

[Armand Wiggins]

Well, yeah, but let's be clear here. When we're in the courtroom, even, you know, Mark Agniphilo was talking about, you know, there'll be no more baby oil. I mean, you have to realize at some point, the amount of baby oil that was in there that was ridiculous. Like, you can't even say baby oil now without laughing because it's like the amount of baby oil it got so far that it became ridiculous. And for me, you know, that's how I looked at it. Really, what I was doing was making fun of him because you look crazy. More oil. More. How many bottles do you need? But in hindsight, I will say this. I regret it for the simple fact that people were hurting. And it teaches me never to be above reproach. And if you make a mistake, be humble enough to say, hey, I didn't mean that, and I apologize.

[Kayla Brantley]

And there will be critics who come for you and say, you know, he's just profiting off of these trials or these women's misery or, you know, these horrible cases. What do you have to say to them?

[Armand Wiggins]

I don't think that that's what that is. You know what I mean? Because what is the difference between me going and you going?

[Kayla Brantley]

I think that there's just a misconception or a predetermined idea of what a independent YouTuber is.

[Armand Wiggins]

Well, yeah, the problem is they don't think that we should be there. And that was a lot of the thing at the trial. I'll be honest with you, A lot of people didn't think that we should be there. And that's why I also think that, you know, it was so easy to slap that headline on there because a lot of the press that was there, some of them knew who I was. I feel like a lot of them did, and the news came out from them. So I think that it was an interesting takeaway because, you know, a lot of us youtubers did have to fight for our respect because they think that, you know, they went to school, they've got all these degrees, and unfortunately, news doesn't travel like that all the, you know, like that anymore. Like, yes, traditional media is still necessary, but, you know, there's something to be said for the people that can go and reach their audience, because there's a rawness, there's a realness, there's a relatability, because by the time they get to me, everyone knows the story. They're just here for me to have a good time. Nine times out of 10, they're not coming to me at 6pm at night to say what happened for the day. They just want me to retell the story in a fun way. Yes.

[Kayla Brantley]

Yeah. And I think that this case especially. I think we saw it during the Johnny Depp Amber Heard case, the way that it took off online of course we had the video live stream. So you saw, you know, people making fun of, you know, Amber Heard and people giving their own analysis. And I think that it's kind of a double edged sword where it's like it can almost go too far. Perhaps that's some of the hate that you were getting of people being out there. They're kind of like, who are these people? You know?

[Armand Wiggins]

Yeah, it's like there's so many of us now, you know, and then it got, it got to be like more and more each week. And so the media is just kind of like, we're real. Some of them are like, we're real media. And I get it. You know what I mean? You work, you worked your, you worked your butt off.

[Kayla Brantley]

Did anyone say anything to you directly?

[Armand Wiggins]

Oh, Joe, I did not get a media press pass. Some other people did. And so I was in the public line too. So when you were in the public line, you didn't have the press pass too. They were just looking at you like, you're public. Right? And I was like, yeah, I'm public. But, you know, when, you know, you know, I didn't really care. Cause they quickly learned once everything hit the Internet, it didn't matter if you had that badge or not. It wasn't really personal. Everybody was just trying to do their best job. Obviously, I made some mistakes along the way, but I appreciate it because this is just gonna make me a better, you know, journalist, a better media personality, a better broadcaster. And again, if anybody was hurt, if anybod was disappointed because I didn't handle that in the best, you know, way, I do sincerely apologize because at the end of the day, if it's not for my audience, I'm not here.

[Kayla Brantley]

What was the earliest that you lined up in that line to get in the courtroom?

[Armand Wiggins]

2:00Am 2:00am 2:00am and I slept out there. I slept out there on my back. 2am Hoodie on, glasses on, you know what I mean? I got a video of it. 2am sitting out there. And even at 2am that still wasn't early enough. But I wasn't going over earlier than that.

[Kayla Brantley]

No blankets, no pillows. In line?

[Armand Wiggins]

Yeah, no, no. The first, when I did the 2am I had a towel. You had to lay on the floor. Like it was down and around the corner. And I would just lay on my backpack and I would just sleep there. But you know what? As painful as it was, I'm glad I did it. Like, what other place than to do it than in New York City?

[Kayla Brantley]

Are you happy with the verdict.

[Armand Wiggins]

Happy with the verdict, and the fact that he got found guilty for something. Here's the thing. I will tell you this. There were a lot of content creators that. Because they want to be first or they want to be on top or they want the lights, the fame, this. So they lean heavy on one side. And depending on which way that goes, they're out there fighting for their life after. And, you know, there was a lot of people hating Diddy, and they had so much to say about, you know, X, Y, and Z. And it was like, you know, they were getting attacked outside their courtroom.

[Kayla Brantley]

And there were some reports that these people, private investigators, were coming up to YouTubers, influencers, and questioning them about if they were getting paid.

[Armand Wiggins]

Girl, can I just tell you this? When we get into this stuff, let me just tell you. I'm gonna just be utterly honest with you and listen, I don't have no problem with nobody but people was in there lying, okay? You got people saying that, you know, people were threatening them, trying to murder them. You know, I've never heard so many people talking about how many times Diddy had spoken to them or trying to talk to them. And I'm thinking, maybe I wasn't in there every single time, but whenever I was in there, he was never talking to anybody. I don't feel like he could. The most that he would do was say, how you doing? And do this and do that and say, how you doing? How you doing? Now these people get on their platform and say. He says, you know, I know you. I'm gonna get you. And I'll just be like, girl, there.

[Kayla Brantley]

Is kind of an issue, I guess, that I'm bringing forward of, you know, that anybody can go in and anybody can say anything, and do you think that they give you and what you do a bad rap?

[Armand Wiggins]

Here's the thing. Some people believe it because there's also journalists in there saying that Diddy was trying to get their attention the entire time. I just feel like whenever I'm in there, I don't see jurors doing backflips off the stand. Did he threaten anybody? I didn't see anybody, you know, saying, I'm gonna get you. Maybe it happened. Who am I to say that it didn't? It's just whenever I'm around, I never seem to see it going on, you know, and, you know, and I never seen anybody getting threatened either.

[Kayla Brantley]

What's next for you?

[Armand Wiggins]

What's next? Well, you just have to wait and see. I know a lot of people say that But I got some things cooking. I'm excited for it. You know, more radio, maybe some television and film.

[Kayla Brantley]

Any trials?

[Armand Wiggins]

Trials, maybe. They got a lot of stuff coming up. They got Megan Thee Stallion. They've got Lil Durk, they've got the Drake umg. Here's the thing. My thing was I wanted to make sure I could get in that courtroom. You know, I was like, I want to be able to feel this and contribute to the culture because this was like our OJ how can I be a personality? How can I be independent media and not be, you know, boots on the ground at this trial?

[Kayla Brantley]

Thank you for coming. Thank you for telling people what happened.

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