Ruth Kashinsky (3:03)

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Rachel Sharp (3:05)

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Ruth Kashinsky (3:29)

Yes, we have. Hi, Rachel. So glad to be here today.

Rachel Sharp (3:32)

The Gilgo beach serial killer case is one of the most notorious cases in modern history. Multiple bodies were discovered close to a Long island beach spring of a serial killer. Ruth, you obviously grew up in Long Island. You remember this happening. Tell us what that was like.

Ruth Kashinsky (3:51)

Thanks so much, Rachel. I really grew up in Brooklyn, but I moved to Long island and this story's been so wild. When Rex Uerman was finally caught, it was an incredible moment in the country. But what I remember just living on Long island was the fear. And that first press conference that was done when there was an alleged serial killer on the loose. Women were missing. No one knew what was happening. People were nervous. And this is going back a span from 1993 to 2010. So 2010 is when the case went from being cold to active again. And I just remember just being scared to go to the beach actually because she didn't know this person wasn't caught or maybe it was more than one person. We just didn't know. So lay it on me. Rachel asked me questions and I want to hear more about this case.

Rachel Sharp (4:48)

So, yeah, as you mentioned, the case obviously began in May 2010 with a 911 call. Shannon Gilbert, who was working as a sex worker at the time, placed a 911 call begging for help. You. She said that someone was trying to kill her and she was in the Ocean Parkway area. This kicked off a massive search for her. And that search went on for many, many months. In December 2010, a body was found in dense brush near Gilgo beach along Ocean Parkway. But they quickly realized that body did not belong to Shannon. And it all began from there with multiple bodies then found. So that first body was Melissa Bartholomew.

Ruth Kashinsky (5:33)

And I do want to add Rachel. So Shannon Gilbert was a 24 year old escort. She was like a very high paid escort. And basically what happened was she was traveling from New Jersey to Long Island. It was a very dark evening. She was going to Oak beach, an area on the south shore of Long island that has no lights. And she wasn't familiar with the neighborhood, nor was her driver. And when she Got to this client's home. We don't know exactly what happened inside the home, but she panicked and ran out. And then she made that 911 call that basically changed the case. It brought the case to light, because after that night, Shannon went missing. And that 911 call, it's absolutely chilling if anyone ever heard it. She is mumbling. She's calling the operator. The dispatch is trying to ask her. Ma', am, I can't hear you. Could you speak loud? What are you telling me? She's saying something. Someone is following me. Someone is trying to kill me. And all you hear is, like, footsteps and her going from door to door, trying to get help from the neighbors in the area. But it was very dark that evening, and she was terrified. I remember there was one man trying to help her, and he even invited her in, but she kept on running. And then she went to another home, and the woman was scared to answer the door. But I do remember that she did call police. It was Shannon Gilbert's disappearance that really led authorities to the beginning of the Gilgo beach murders of all these missing women.

Rachel Sharp (7:08)

Yeah, at that time, there was no awareness that there even was a serial killer out there, as much as some of the other victims had been reported missing. And their families were fighting to get the police to take it seriously. There wasn't really anyone looking for these women. The police weren't really searching for them. It was really Shannon's disappearance that led police to this trail of bodies and to the fact that there was a serial killer on the loose.

Ruth Kashinsky (7:36)

Absolutely. Shannon's mother was devastated, and she was like any mother would be, forcing the authorities to look for her daughter. She was terrified. She did not know the Long island area. And it was police looking for Shannon Gilbert when they stumbled upon these three women along Ocean Parkway. And there the women were Megan Waterman, Melissa Bartholomew, Amber Costello. They were the first three victims that were discovered along Ocean Beach. And then the fourth victim, Maureen Brainard Barnes, who became described as the Gilgo 4.

Rachel Sharp (8:17)

Yeah, I mean, as you mentioned, obviously the first body was Melissa's that was found in December 2010. Over the next few days, three more victims bodies were found. And there was a lot of similarities between these women. They were all in their 20s, all working as sex workers at the time. All vanished after going to see clients. Some of their bodies were bound. They were wrapped in burlap. So they were very much all linked together. And that began a huge search. Over the coming months, body after body was then also discovered. In total, 11 victims were found along that area. The last body found was actually Shannon's. And police to this day insist that she was not a victim of a homicide, that she simply ran off into the dense marsh and succumbed to the environment. It's something that, as you mentioned, her mother fought police to have it investigated as a homicide. But even to this day, they say that Shannon was not a victim of a homicide.

Ruth Kashinsky (9:25)

I do want to add that Shannon Gilbert's mother is no longer with us, but until the end of her life, she fought to get justice for her daughter. And today it is still an open case because we do not know what actually happened to Shannon Gilbert.

Rachel Sharp (9:43)

And tell us about the other victims. Do you want to go into the other victims who were found along the area?

Ruth Kashinsky (9:51)

Sure. We had Jessica Taylor. She was another victim, and she was working in midtown Manhattan at the time she was last seen in Manhattan. She was a young mother, only 20 years old. And her remains were discovered along Ocean Parkway in Gilgo Beach. And just to share with the listeners, Gilgo beach is, you know, a barrier beach island on the south shore of Long Island. And it happens to be a place where people go surf, fishing and surfing. And it's really a lovely area for recreation. And during the evening, it is impossible to see anything. And if you're gonna dump a body, that's really the place to go.

Rachel Sharp (10:37)

So they found Jessica Taylor. There was other victims that they also found. Valerie Mack, Karen Vergata. What do we know about those two?

Ruth Kashinsky (10:46)

Well, Valerie, again, young, promising women who were just trying to start their lives. Some of them, as I mentioned, like, Jessica Taylor, was a young mother. She had a daughter only 20 years old. Valerie Mack was 24 years old. And she was apparently, she was killed sometime between September 1 and November 19 of 2000. So obviously, only her remains were found in the same place as Jessica Taylor. And also, Valerie Mack apparently worked as an escort in Philadelphia as well as Atlantic City. So she ended up on Long Island, I guess, going to a client's home that night. She was bound with rope, and she was left inside a black plastic bag that had been wrapped in duct tape. And her hands and part of her right leg were missing. So that was found along Ocean Parkway in 2011. And the other additional victims were Karen Vergada. She was again working as an escort when she disappeared from Manhattan in February of 1996. It happened to be Valentine's Day, and she was a little older than the other victims. She was 34 years old. And they called her Long Island, Fire Island Jane Doe, because part of her body was found on Fire Island, I believe her legs. Is that right, Rachel?

Rachel Sharp (12:11)

Yes. Her legs were found in plastic on Fire Island's Blue point Beach in 1996. So many years before there was even speculation of a serial killer.

Ruth Kashinsky (12:22)

Absolutely. We're talking the late 90s. So that was quite some time ago.

Rachel Sharp (12:27)

There was also other victims who. One victim is still to be identified, a victim known as Asian Doe. That's a young Asian man who has still not been identified. And the other victims were also a mother and her toddler child. And for years they were not identified. They were actually only identified last year. They were identified as Tanya Jackson and her little girl, Tatiana Dykes, who was just two years old.

Ruth Kashinsky (12:58)

Absolutely. That's right, Rachel. And I do want to add that, you know, Karen Vergota was a 34 year old victim from 1996. But the first victim of the Gilgo beach case is Sandra Castillo, who she disappeared in 1993 and she was 28 and she was found in a wood area in November just recently within the last year or so in North Sea, which is in the beginning of the Hamptons. So that really shows the span of the killings and how many decades it went on for.

Rachel Sharp (13:37)

Yeah, and what's interesting with Sandra's case is that until Rex Heumann, who we will obviously come onto soon, until he was charged with her murder, her death was never linked to the Gilgo beach serial killer case. It was never considered to be part of this case. In fact, a different Long island serial killer, John Bitroff, was previously a suspect in her murder. So what this did was it really expanded the Gilgo beach case beyond that area of Ocean Parkway, but it also expanded the scope of the suspect, Rex Heuermann's crimes. This was no longer murders taking place in the 2000s. This was beginning allegedly as far back as 1993. And, you know, we'll obviously come onto that soon. He wasn't arrested until 2023. So 30 years. 30 years. This suspected serial killer was allegedly murdering women in Long Island.

Ruth Kashinsky (14:41)

And right now there is seven. But we believe allegedly that there is probably many more victims out there that have not been identified.

Rachel Sharp (14:52)

So the victims are found 2010 and 2011. This pattern of bodies are found along the Gilgo beach area. Gilgo beach is put on the map. People who lived beyond New York had never heard of this place prior to then. And all of a sudden there is a suspected serial killer out there. What do we know about the initial investigation, Ruth?

Ruth Kashinsky (15:18)

Well, as I mentioned, the case went cold for Decades. And it wasn't until a Gilgo beach homicide task force was formed in 2022 when things really started moving. There were investigators hyper focused on finding the killer or killers at the time, and people were calling in tips. And it was really just as a journalist who covers crime for both Rachel and I, it was a very exciting time.

Rachel Sharp (15:50)

Yeah. So this case was really stymied for such a long time. And then, as you say, in 2022, a new police commissioner, Rodney Harrison, came on board and he really kick started that investigation. What is also interesting is that during his kickstarting of the investigation, what then snared the suspect was evidence that had actually been around from the very beginning. So it wasn't new information, it was information that police had, but it just hadn't been followed up on or investigated. So one of the key bits of evidence was the tip about the truck. So Amber Costello, when she went missing, she'd been picked up from her home.

Ruth Kashinsky (16:39)

So Amber Costello was living with two roommates somewhere in Babylon, in the Babylon area, I believe. She had two male roommates and she, like Rachel mentioned, was an escort. And apparently that's when she met her killer.

Rachel Sharp (16:54)

Yeah. So one of her roommates reported at the time. So she was reported missing like many of these women. And at the time, her roommate said that a man driving a very distinctive car, it was a Chevy Avalanche, had come to pick her up. There'd been a, a ruse where the man had come in and they'd ended up bursting out of a cupboard and basically chasing him off. And he came back the next day. So the client then allegedly booked another appointment with Amber and came back the next day. So her roommate, Dave, Charlotte had seen this man, described him distinctively as an ogre, and had seen his vehicle as well. So that information about the vehicle had always been out there. And that was one of the things that led police to Rex Heumann. The other thing was obviously the cell phone information.

Ruth Kashinsky (17:48)

Right. And if I might add a little more detail to that, Rachel, when Amber left that home that night, never to be seen again, apparently the roommate did tell police at the time, but no one really cared or followed up. So it wasn't until 12 years later when the homicide team, the task force was formed, that they were obviously interested. But this roommate, apparently her alleged killer at the time, was unforgettable. He was a Frankenstein like figure with an empty gaze. That's how he was described. And he drove, as Rachel mentioned, a first generation Chrysler Avalanche. So the roommate said that this man's size stuck out and he had the unusual pickup truck which was left to flee the house. And having his friend Amber in the vehicle with him again, never to be seen again.

Rachel Sharp (18:40)

Yeah, and that's the thing. Police had that information at the time. And as we later learn, that truck was quite unusual. There wasn't that many people with that truck in that area at the time. So the fact that Rex Heumann managed to evade authorities for such a long time really is quite baffling. We'll be back in just a moment.

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Rachel Sharp (20:20)

So one of the other bits of evidence that led police to Rex Yeomen was cell phone data. The suspect was placing calls to the victims. He was using burner phones. And it turns out that Rex Heumann actually had dozens and dozens of burner phones over the years. But the phones were pinging off cell towers in two very distinct locations. Midtown Manhattan, specifically, sometimes around Penn Station and Massapequa Park.

Ruth Kashinsky (20:52)

Yeah, so the information regarding the pings, it was critical because the Long island area is where most of his victims were found. And it's also where the alleged killer lived. And the Manhattan area is where he met some of his victims and where he had an office. And Rachel and I were, like, shocked when as we were digging, you know, he found most of his victims on Craigslist, which is still around today, believe it or not. And like I mentioned once before, like, I would go to Craigslist, like, maybe look for a fish tank, get a Used car people also list their services if they're looking for like a writing gig, but he was actually looking for high paid escorts on the site, and that's how he found these poor young victims.

Rachel Sharp (21:44)

And what's awful about this as well is that part of the cell phone evidence they found was that after Melissa Barthelemy went missing, her phone was used five times by the killer to call and taunt her relatives, including her little sister. And this man called and said, you know, I've killed her. I, I know where her body is, calling her awful names. So really, really cruel and horrific that the killer did this. And again, that phone. So Melissa's phone pinged near Penn Station. We now know obviously, that Rex Heumann's office was located really near to Penn Station and that he would commute every day from Penn Station out to Long island on the Long Island Railroad. But for Melissa's family, I mean, that is just not only is she missing and they don't know where she's gone for years, but they've got these taunting phone calls from someone gloating about killing her. It's really, really shocking.

Ruth Kashinsky (22:52)

That's so true, Rachel, and it's so devastating. And apparently Melissa was very petite. She was only 4:10, and she was originally from Buffalo, New York, and she came to New York like any young 20 something trying to live her best life. And she had her whole life ahead of her. But apparently, if you look up her background, she died by strangulation. So it sounds like this was a method that the killer used on many of his victims.

Rachel Sharp (23:24)

Yeah, as you say, I mean, it's just horrific what the families went through and obviously continued to go through. So in terms of the evidence, police have honed in on the pickup truck, they've honed in on the burner phones, on the cell phone evidence, but there was also DNA. So on some of the victims bodies there was hairs, but the hairs didn't obviously match anyone who was currently in police databases or anything like that. Through the burner phone investigation, the pickup truck they had honed in on, Rex Herman, a man who had grown up in Massapequa park, so lived in the local area and worked in midtown Manhattan to get his DNA. It's quite a bizarre one. So he was working in his office one day, came out, ordered a pizza for lunch. So he had a huge pizza and then dumped the pizza box in the trash. Police swooped, picked it up, got a pizza crust from it that he had chewed on, discarded, and they were able to link that DNA to some of the hairs found on the victim's bodies. So finally, there was enough evidence to arrest the man police believed was the notorious Gilgo beach serial killer. On July 13, 2023, Rex Herman left work as normal, was walking through midtown Manhattan towards Penn Station to get the train back home, when a team of plainclothes police officers surrounded him in the middle of fifth Avenue and arrested him for the murders. Ruth, the next morning, the news broke. And you went out to Long island to his home. Tell us what the scene was like there.

Ruth Kashinsky (25:09)

Okay. Well, Rachel, it was a day I will never forget. When my editor called me at like, 6am that morning and said they caught the alleged serial killer, Fuguelgo Beach. I was like, my daughter stayed with my husband, and I ran like the dickens to get to Massapequa park, where he lived with his family and his wife. And I was in shock just like everyone else, because we have been waiting for this moment for over 15 years.

Rachel Sharp (25:43)

Absolutely.

Ruth Kashinsky (25:44)

And it was such a scene I wanna share right now. There was crying tape all over the place, on the streets. There was mobs of people. There was the Suffolk County Police Department, the nypd, There was the FBI. I'll never forget it. There was news outlets from all over the world just trying to capture the house that he lived in and potentially committed many of these gruesome crimes.

Rachel Sharp (26:15)

Tell us a bit more about what that was like there. I mean, we've both been by the house, and the thing that stood out to me was that this house sticks out like a sore thumb. This is a lovely area with lovely family homes, picket fences. And then you've got this very, like, dilapidated, rundown, bizarre looking home that looks quite dingy and it really sticks out. What was your perception of that, and what was it like there? It sounds like it was very much a circus. Did you manage to speak to the family? Did you manage to speak to some of the neighbors? What did you find out?

Ruth Kashinsky (26:53)

By the time I got there, Rachel, Asa Ellerup, his estranged wife, and his two children, Christopher, who is his son, but not his biological son, and his daughter Victoria, which is his biological daughter, they were already removed from the house. So by the time I got there, they were swarming the house. The police, Rex was already in custody, and it was just basically, you know, a crime scene, like I mentioned, with the tape and the trucks and, you know, the police. And there was a press conference held, but there were people who are obsessed with true crime coming to the home. I was stationed outside of the house for more than two weeks. There was crowds of people taking pictures, wanting to know every detail of Rex and his family. And shocked that this man, this neighbor of theirs, who basically kept to himself for the most part, could be the alleged Gilgo beach serial killer. It was shocking, and I was so happy to be there. You have no idea.

Rachel Sharp (27:57)

It really was such a shocking moment. Obviously, this case seemed like it for a long time, like it was never going to get solved. And then we obviously hear about all of the evidence against him. The case has obviously rumbled on through the courts. Rex Heumann has pleaded not guilty. And as much as we're expecting that to change, it's probably important to say he has still pleaded not guilty. He was initially charged with three murders. Since then, he has been charged with the murders of four more women. So now he's charged with the murders of seven women, has pleaded not guilty, and has made several court appearances. And Ruth, you and I have been going to those court appearances where there was a big back and forth, a big fry hearing over the DNA evidence in the case. He was arguing that the DNA technology used to determine the source of the DNA was, quote, magic, and that it shouldn't be allowed in court. It was the first time it was ever used in a court. So actually really quite innovative. And what was very interesting was that the hairs found on the victims, one of them was Rex's hair, but the others were actually the hairs of his daughter, who would have been very young when he allegedly committed these murders. His wife, Asa Ellarup, and also his first wife. So, you know, this is really quite shocking. Cause it really drags his family into this. So as well as this DNA evidence, prosecutors also found and presented what has been described as a planning document for committing these murders.

Ruth Kashinsky (29:34)

That's right, Rachel. So one of the troves of evidence that investigators were getting from his home and office were computer files and equipment. And they found, I guess, a disc or some type of file that Rex Uerman had allegedly kept. And it was called a planning document and was basically a methodical blueprint to select, kill, and dispose of his victims. And from what I know of Rex Uerman, he was absolutely meticulous. I think a lot of it had to do with the job he was in working as an architect and the city and doing building codes. But he kept specific information in this planning document where he would list the supplies needed, the problems he would have. He had a column that was labeled DNA. He had in this document the problems that he was having with a victim that he needed to tighten the rope. Better. He had a section titled Body Prep. It was detailed steps to clean, dismember, and move the bodies, while another section was called Post Event that appeared to list tasks to avoid apprehension.

Rachel Sharp (30:57)

What the victims must have gone through just doesn't really bear thinking about. When we see that planning document and as you say, that level of planning that seems to have gone into these alleged crimes.

Ruth Kashinsky (31:08)

And, Rachel, may I add, these poor young women, we don't know if they were tortured, if they were sexually assaulted, if they were taunted and kept for days. We have no idea the amount of suffering these poor young women went through. And it's absolutely heartbreaking.

Rachel Sharp (31:25)

It really is. And I think, you know what, what we've learned since then is that prosecutors believe that much of this was carried out in the basement of the family home and that the victims were taken there and possibly, as you say, held for days, tortured, killed, and then dumped. Some of them, obviously, we know, were dismembered. So really horrific. And the timing of this as well, we've later learned that the timing of these alleged crimes all took place when his wife and children were away on vacation. So it's really chilling. And this is a home that, you know, he brought his two children up in, but also it's a home that he grew up in. This was actually the home that he grew up in and then bought from his mother when he was an adult and then raised his own children in them. And, you know, it's just so chilling that if he is guilty of this, that he actually bought this inside his family home. And I guess that obviously links to why the hairs on the victim's bodies, some of them were his daughters, who was just a young child at the time.

Ruth Kashinsky (32:30)

Absolutely. I have this vivid memory of the son and daughter sitting on the porch, absolutely gobsmacked that their loved one is accused of these heinous crimes. And Asa was beside herself. And me and all these other journalists were trying desperately to speak with her, asking her how she is and what she was feeling just to get any type of reaction or comment from her. And at that time, just learning the magnitude, she was in rare form. She did not want to speak to anyone. She was very agitated and irritable, which is understandable. And she basically snapped at me and all the other reporters that were on the scene.

Rachel Sharp (33:20)

Yeah, it sounds like it was just crazy there. I mean, what's interesting, as well said, when we've been going to the court, Asa has been there for every court hearing we've been at over the last year. And she's very much putting on a united front. We've actually spoken to her a few times, and she's been adamant that she believes her husband is innocent. It's also something that she said in she did a peacock documentary where they went inside her home. Now, obviously, there has been a major development in the case. So after Rex Herman has pleaded not guilty, insisted on his innocence, fought the charges, fought against the DNA evidence, tried to sever some of the murder charges into separate trials, after all of this, and, you know, after he's had the support of his family, his wife insisting that he is innocent after all this, we have learned that he is now expected to change his plea to guilty. So this is a bombshell development. You know, this case was expected to go to trial around Labor Day. Now he is expected to plead guilty to the seven murders. We're expecting that to happen during a court hearing next week, and that if that does happen, and obviously at the moment, he has still pleaded not guilty, he could change his mind. It might not happen, but that would mean that he obviously avoids going to trial altogether. So what do you make of that, Ruth?

Ruth Kashinsky (34:50)

I mean, I was just as surprised as everyone else. We were really planning to see this out through a trial right after the summer, and we were even going through the logistics, Rachel and I, and now everything changed in a dime. And he's expected to plead guilty next week. It's gonna be interesting to see how the families now feel. Are they getting justice for their family members who lost their lives so violently? And what will become of Asa and her two children now? Will she finally believe that her husband is responsible for these murders?

Rachel Sharp (35:30)

Absolutely. I mean, as Asa has stood by him through this. She got divorced. But they always said that that was purely to protect their financial assets.

Ruth Kashinsky (35:37)

That's correct.

Rachel Sharp (35:38)

And she's been in court all the time supporting him, claiming that she released his innocence. So it will be interesting to see if she's there, also to see whether Victoria, who has come to some court hearings, but not all to see whether she will be there. We know that she obviously has said that she thinks he probably is the killer, which is quite shocking for a child to have to come to that conclusion about their parent. But then for the victim's families, as you say, does this bring them closure and, you know, a sense of justice? I'm sure they will have so many questions that they still want answering. But I think for me as well, the big question is, what about other victims? If this man was a serial killer and was murdering women, for a 30 year span. Are these the only victims or are there many more? There's obviously victims around Long island, some along Ocean Parkway that no one has been charged with, but there are obviously women all over the country missing, murdered. He had links to Las Vegas. He had links to South Carolina. So what really happens then is I think something I'm interested to see whether are there going to be more victims identified and more victims linked to him or will that be part of his plea? Will there be some sort of negotiation that he has to give all those answers? I guess we'll have to. We'll have to see next week.

Ruth Kashinsky (37:12)

I think that's a really good point, Rachel, because the Suffolk County District Attorney, Raymond Tierney, will probably provide more information to all the journalists covering the case. And the families probably know already how this is going to play out. But that's correct. I mean, there were ties to Rhode island and South Carolina, Las Vegas. So perhaps there are so many other victims, young vulnerable women out there that it's still a cold case or it's still an active investigation. And there's just, as Rachel mentions, a lot of questions that still need answers.

Rachel Sharp (37:52)

Absolutely. And hopefully for all the victims and their families, they will get those answers. The other thing that we both were chatting about the other day as well was why plead guilty now? This is not a death penalty case. There is no chance of him getting anything other than life without parole. So it's interesting that he's decided not to go to trial. So again, those are things I guess maybe we'll find out next week. So we'll both be going to court next week and we'll bring you more then. So that's it for today. We'll be back with a new episode next Wednesday. The Trial USA is part of the Crime Desk. Subscribers can listen ad free, get early access to new shows, full access to the archive and the member only podcast the trial. Plus visit thecrimedesk.com to find out more. A link is in the show Notes. Follow us on TikTok @TheCrimeDesk and on Instagram @The TrialPod. Leave us a comment on Apple Podcasts or Spotify or send us a voice note on WhatsApp 447-796-57512 and start your message with the word.

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