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2006 Rose Bowl Rewind with Mack Brown, Matt Leinart, and Vince Young plus 2025 Predictions
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2006 Rose Bowl Rewind with Mack Brown, Matt Leinart, and Vince Young plus 2025 Predictions
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Mack Brown
Mack Brown goes to the convention after he wins a nat. We're very close. I happen to walk in the men's room right before he's getting ready to speak, and I look over, I'm taking a leak right next to Mack Brown. Hey, I said, holy, you just won the national championship. He looks at me, goes, it's your turn next. You got your Will Ferrell, Snoop Dogg stories. Me and Mac celebrating at the men's room.
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Matt Leinart
Coach, that's a. That's a real awkward story. Coach.
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Rob Stone
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Mark Ingram
We got a good one today, Stoner.
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Rob Stone
Oh, my God.
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Mark Ingram
Good, good.
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Rob Stone
No, no, not good. Great. No, no, no, not great. Coach Meyer. It is an elite, elite show. We don't have fast guys.
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Matt Leinart
Coach, where are you at? Are you in your bedroom up there? What's that? What room we got up there?
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Rob Stone
See, already one of our guests is chirping in over there. This is classic Matt Liner. Matt, let me introduce you first, please. Oh, my God. We'll break down.
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Mark Ingram
Everybody's prematurely paused.
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Rob Stone
My little wedge. Hey, as always, welcome to the triple option. You already heard from Matt Leiner. He's going to join the show in just seconds. I'm Rob Stone, the coacher of admirer Mark Ingram ii. Deuce Deuce and two other huge guests coming up in just a second. As always, love to have you here. Thanks for joining us. College football season is getting closer and closer. We encourage you to rate subscribe at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast. You can find us on social media at 3x option show again, new episodes coming your way Every Wednesday on YouTube and wherever it is that you happen to find your podcast. As we mention mentioned, big monstrous show today, we're going to take a. Then we're going to take a little break. We're allowed a brief, brief vacation before the start of the 2025 college football season. So our next episode, guys, comes out Aug. 20. That is ahead of Week 0 games, including Texas at Ohio State. Yeah, we might talk about that if you're wanting to kind of like get your football fixed right now. We encourage you to go back throughout the course of our first season, take in the off season episodes. We, we cover the house settlement rules. We talk with coaches, general managers, conference commissioners, athletic directors. We've got our crystal ball segments previewing all the Top teams in the country. So a great way to kind of catch up and get ready for the season. Now to the great stuff. To the elite stuff. We not. We don't have just one, we only have two. We have three College football hall of famers from one of the greatest college football games that was ever played. Now we can bring in our friend Matt Leinert, host of Throwbacks, national champion Heisman winner. Good looking hair is always on point. Good to have you back, Matty.
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Matt Leinart
Good to see you boys.
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Rob Stone
I love, I love you, brother. Can't wait to give you a hug in real person. All right, but now how about this? The host of the Stampede. How good of a name is that? A podcast on the Texas Longhorns. It is all about hook em horns. National championship winning head coach Mack Brown joins us. 2006 Rose Bowl MVP Davey O'. Brien. Manning MaxW award winning quarterback Vince Young is here as well. Boys, welcome to the show. Welcome to the podcast world. What Coach Brown, what has happened? You're did what happened to you and Coach Meyer? Did you guys like form collude to do some kind of coaching podcast, take over the business?
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Urban Meyer
Well, we're so excited to be own and Vince and I can't wait to get started here next week. And this is fun. This is. I watch your show all the time. I love Urban. I admire him, I respect him. Here's a guy that won it Bowling Green, which has been hard to do. He won at Utah, then he won a national championship at Florida and won a national championship at Ohio State. So he's done it everywhere and he's done it within the rules and he's done it right. And I just look up to him so much and he's just a dear friend. Then had to play against Matt when he was a Heisman trophy winner and then had to play against Mark when he was a Heisman trophy winner. And when I had Vince, I was okay with Matt, but when I didn't have Vince and Colt got hurt, I didn't do so well against Mark. So here we are.
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Rob Stone
Oh my God, Mac Brown, you're the best. I need more Mac Brown in my life. I think we all need more Mac Proud in our life. All right, so let's talk about the game real quick. We'll all kind of chime in here. I'm fascinated by the different viewpoints. You know, we got a USC viewpoint, we got a Texas Long Longhorn viewpoint. We're almost at that 20 year anniversary of the Game of the Century 06 Rose Bowl. National Championship Game, Texas, USC. We'll go to you, Coach Vince and then. And then Matty. So we'll get our Texas Phil and then usc. Coach, did you have any sense before this game that this was going to be something that people are going to be talking about for decades and really for generations?
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Urban Meyer
Well, I did. They were the game of that. I mean, they were the team of the century, right? They'd won 36 games. I think they'd won two national championships and just dominated everybody. So it was fun to watch them. And what a great challenge. Coaches love challenges. You don't like those games where you. It's boring and nobody cares. And if you win it, it's unimportant. And if you lose it, you get fired. Those are the tough games for coaches. But when you can look up to a USC with two Heisman Trophy winners, it's really cool. And I knew we were good, so we weren't scared. I knew we had a chance to be really, really good. I thought it would be the game.
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Mack Brown
That it was a Mac, I got something for you. So I just was looking at. We faced Troy Smith, Heisman Trophy winner at Ohio State when I was in Florida in the national championship game. Then Sam Bradford, Heisman Trophy winner in 08. One of the great teams in college football history. When I first saw the matchup, the first three weeks, I was like, we are going to get our butts kicked in, man. I mean, we are going to get destroyed. And then as it got closer to the game, you started seeing a couple nuances that maybe we have a chance. At what point you're playing a team that, like you said, 34 game win streak. Matt Leiner, one of the best to ever do it. Reggie Bush, one of the best ever do it. At what point did you think, damn, we got a shot at this thing right away or as it got closer?
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Urban Meyer
Coach, we were in New York and I was with Vince. And Vince is one of the best players to ever play college football. Like these two other guys that are sitting here and it's a special group. And when you're sitting there at the Heisman, right after Reggie won, Vince called our team who was sitting in the team room and said, game on, man, game on. And I knew at that moment we had a chance. And then we had a defensive end that made a stupid statement. He said, they're no good, we're going to kill them. And Vince and I were in New York. We weren't at the press conference, which was a mistake. So then we get Home. And I said, hey, they've won 36 games. They've beaten everybody there may be the best team ever. Let's don't look like fools and say they're not any good. So let's, let's be like the, the story of Troy. Let's keep our mouth shut. Let's come in on the boat. Let's either brag on USC or say nothing. And then let's win the game. We can talk afterwards if that's what you want to do, but these guys are really good. And then Urban, we practiced so well. It was every day at practice was like the game, man, they were so excited and so pumped. And I did feel like for Matt's bunch, they were playing back at home. They'd been there. It wasn't as exciting for them as it was us. We had just beaten Michigan there. And Vince had made the statement on the podium, we'll be back. And I said, what are you doing? He said, coach, national championship next year. We're going to be back. And we started playing against USC stats after we beat Oklahoma. So I mean, it was really important to this team. This team was standing in front of the TV watching Matt and Reggie beat Notre Dame right in the end with the bush push. And we sat there and they all cheered. And I said, what are you doing? We just won a game. And they said, man, we want to play usc. So I thought we had the emotional edge because USC was there and we were the ones trying to get there. We had not won a national championship in 35 years. And this was really, really important. And I could see it in the guy's eyes.
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Rob Stone
Vince, is that the way you saw it too?
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Vince Young
No, that's a coach's perspective. I was main thing. My main thing was like, we about to play the best. So what do I need to do as a leader standpoint to, you know, keep us humble to understand the magnitude of that game? You know, like coach just said, first of all, thanks, Rob. And coach Coach Myers and Mr. Ingram, I haven't seen you in a while, man. So proud of you, big guy.
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Mark Ingram
I appreciate you, big dog. It means a lot.
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Vince Young
No doubt. Matt Lainer, you already know, baby. Quarterbacks, baby. My brother, my guy. You know, the magnitude of the game was so big. I just want to make sure that the guys stayed humble because, you know, like Coach Brown know this. When we won the Michigan game, guys came in big headed after we beat Michigan and forgot about all the rules that Coach Brown had. So I was just praying and hoping that they Weren't doing that the same thing they was doing before the season start. Got that little smelling themselves a little bit and forgot about who we was playing. And you got a coach, Coach Carroll, you got Matt Lainer, you got name the who's, who's. You got Snoop Dogg, Will Farrell, you got the whole entire LA behind. So I need us to stay humble and understand the magnitude of the game so we don't go out there and drop a head and get our butt whoop in front of the entire world. So that was my main thing when I was pissed off. Cause I lost the Heisman, for one. And then I wanted these guys not to don't understand what we finna get ourself into. We finna go play a really good football team. So we need to stay humble. Like coach said, our preparation and practice, we was zoned in.
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Mark Ingram
Man, what was that. What was that sideline like before that game, bro? At the Rose, Boy, I hear you saying, like, Will Ferrell, Snoop Dogg, like Matt V. Y, what was that sideline like? I know y' all probably wasn't even paying attention to it, but I know y' all had to, like, look over there and been like, yo, this is like super dumb legendary. Like, what was it like, bro?
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Matt Leinart
You know what? You know, it was even better. Was. And I. I'll give my perspective in a minute. But I. After the game, this is just a funny story a couple nights later, you know, my career's over, you know, tough loss. All the boys went out in la. And it was the night I met Michael Jordan. And Michael Jordan called me. Is crazy story. Called me to. And this is the magnitude of the game. Called me to his table, and I took a shot with Michael Jordan and Charles Oakley and me and my brother and a bunch of my teammates were there. We were, you know, we were upset. But we're like, man, let's. You know, this is like, you know, we got a couple a week, and then we get ready for the NFL draft. And he goes, man, you know, I was there at that game the other night. It was such a great game. And it turns out, like he was in the box with, like, magic Charles Barkley Jordan. And, you know, they had hundreds of thousands of dollars on the game. I think, wow. I think. I think they put money on us and we lost. We lost. We lost the money. But that. That just. And then Obviously, you know, McConaughey is a die hard Longhorn. And, like, it just spoke to the magnitude of. That was the game of the century. It was the Lead up, it was the build up. Both teams wanted to play each other like, like Vy said. And. But yeah, that let. That sideline was. It was. I mean, we were all locked in, man. We were locked in like we're getting ready to go. It was a battle for sure.
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Mark Ingram
Yeah.
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Vince Young
I was just excited to meet Mickey Mouse. That was. I was.
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Mack Brown
I want to know what Mac Brad did, Matt Brown and Snoop Dogg went out afterwards and hung out a little bit.
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Urban Meyer
We did. We had a little rap, you know, we danced around LA and knocked around. I will say a couple of things. I was standing and talking to Pete before the game and looking at their team and said, Greg Davis came up after Pete walked off and I said, that's the best looking team I've ever seen. And Greg Davis, our offensive coordinator said, well, turn around, yours looks pretty damn good too. And he was right. And I think there were like 98 players on that field that ended up up playing in the NFL. Wow. It was just 98. Yeah.
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Mack Brown
Yeah.
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Urban Meyer
It was just a phenomenal group of athletes. But after the game, I didn't see Matt, I didn't see Reggie, who we had great respect for on the field. I'm getting ready to address our team and Urban knows. What do you say? I mean, you win a national championship, especially Texas, you hadn't won one 35 years and. And somebody tapped me on the shoulder and said, there's two guys that want to see you at the door. And I walked back and Matt and Reggie had come to the door of the dressing room to say, I'm sorry we missed you on the field. You've got a great team. You deserve to be a champion. Congratulations. And I thought that was one of the classiest things I had ever seen in my life at a time where they were disappointed and down and not enough has talked about the class that the great athletes have with each other and the respect they have with each other after a game like that.
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Mack Brown
It's crazy.
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Mark Ingram
I love that story.
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Rob Stone
Well done, Maddie.
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Mark Ingram
Good job, Maddie. Good job.
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Rob Stone
You know, there's just a lot, a.
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Matt Leinart
Lot of Longhorn talk here, guys. And let me just. A lot of.
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Vince Young
A lot of whoopings got him like that. A lot of whoopings got him like that.
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Matt Leinart
What'd you say? I think I. I got this. I swear, I tell everybody, this is the gift that keeps on giving. Just this game. I just can't escape the. The Texas Longhorn. But I'll tell you what, Coach Brown is one of the best and by has been like a brother for the last 20 years. Just awesome. I would say, from, from our perspective and kind of to echo what coach said, it was, it was. We had a 33 game win streak. The big reason why I came back to school was to go for a third, which had never been done. And I just love being at usc. I love what we were doing. You know, it was, it was that simple. It was, it was definitely. I think the only difference was like, we were watching Texas week to week because we just, we just knew how good Vy the year before. We're like, man, this, this team special, like it was a collision course. And I think, I know you guys had a couple close games throughout the year too. Kind of like we did with Notre Dame. But like coach said, it's really hard to stay on top. Like, we were just so focused on, like, we almost lost to Fresno State. We almost lost to Notre Dame. We were getting our ass kicked by Arizona State in the first half. It was just a grind week in and week out to really, just to stay number one. You know, we were chasing history and. But Pete, a lot like how Mack did it, obviously a lot like coach did it. All unique in their different ways. He kept us motivated. You know, he kept us disciplined and motivated. And the collision course was that, that I tell this story all the time. I remember. And we had. Lane, Kiffin and Sark were our offensive coordinators. I mean, we were, we were loaded as a coaching staff. And they both told me, they're like. And Pete, they're like, man, we got to have to score over 40 points to beat this team. That's literally what they said. We're like, because of this guy right here. And just the explosiveness that they had everywhere, you know, they had, they had so much talent. Tight end, receiver, running backs. And we, we going to that game, we knew they had a great defense, but we felt really good offensively. We just, we were just. We had our guys, right? We had Reggie Lindell. We're. We're studs. We had a great offensive line, great receivers, but we just knew like, we had to go shoot out and try and hope and hope that Vince didn't have the ball last. And what happened since the ball last, that was it. It was like, if we can get, you know, if we can convert that fourth down on one yard, like, that's, It's a crazy thing when you look back and you know, for us on the losing side, you look at always like two or three plays, you know, that just like got away. You're like Gosh, if we could have changed this, maybe, you know, we win the game or it's a different outcome, but that's football, you know, and that's, that's great. Teams battling. Mark, you've been in battles, you know, it's just great teams battling. And they deserve it, they earn it, they earned it. And honestly, to make it even better, couldn't happen to better people. You know, like getting to know Vince and Mac and even like I, you know, Michael Huff and, and Jamal and all these guys, like just great dudes, you know, like we, we all talked our smack and had fun, but like, there was a. Such a respect for them. Rob, that was probably different than when we played Oklahoma. And even it just felt different, you know, Just felt different. Like the game was just different, you know, and it was one of the greatest games ever played, for sure.
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Rob Stone
Matty, you brought up the drive and I love this. And Vincent, coach, you guys will get used to this, like trying to segue in sponsorships into your conversation. So Matt, Matt did me a solid here, guys. It is time to control your game. When you speed, you have less time to react. Follow the speed limit to keep other road users safe. Speeding catches up with you. Paid for by nhtsa. NHTS has been so awesome here in year one with us. So let's talk about it. Vince, the play that, that control the outcome of the game, if you will. Fourth and five from the nine yard line. You run it in for your third rushing score of the game. You take the lead with 16 seconds left. Take us through maybe the play before the moment you got the call, what you saw in front of you. Just that and that whole sequel iconic play.
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Vince Young
Well, it was, I was definitely nervous for one. I don't think anybody in the world would tell the truth, but I will. That is one of the scariest moments ever because Coach Brown can vouch for this. Lyle Steelline is one of those snappers that if you're not paying attention, they'll go past your head. So I had to make sure that I catch the damn snap first. But, but one of the things that me and Coach Brown and Coach Davis did, we talked about, you know, before we left Austin, you know, the game is on the line. What play would you call? Right? And y' all know, quarterback sneak for show. You know, I want the ball. Coach and coach is like, nah, well, let's call a pass play that will give you the right to, you know, throw the ball as well as run the ball. So again, that's why coaches coach and Players play. So kudos to Mac Brown and Coach Davis for that play.
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Mark Ingram
No, but what did you. What did you see right there, bro? Cause I remember watching. I remember you dropped back, hit the corner, hit the pylon over there. It's a crowd, about a million people around you. You just flexing, looking at the stand too much, man. What'd you see when you dropped back, bro?
- [18:59]
Vince Young
I was actually trying to get the first down with David Thomas, actually, so. Cause you didn't want to give, you know, you didn't want to give the ball back. Yeah, you don't want to give Matt the ball back with enough time on the clock as well, because of the fact that they sold so many weapons. And, you know, when we did get them the ball back, when they got the ball back, they gave the ball to Reggie, and you kind of just held your breath because you thought he was going right there.
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Matt Leinart
But.
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Vince Young
But I was just thinking about just basically getting the first down to try to keep the. The clock running, to keep the ball out of their hands. But, you know, coach. Coach Carroll ran that blitz a couple of times on me that, in that game. And Jay Scott and Justin Blaylock did what they were supposed to do. Everybody stayed into, you know, didn't try to do no Superman plays. Everybody did what they were supposed to do, got the blitz, picked up the blitz. You know, Selwyn Young ran his little flower out to, you know, give my Guy Rucker to, you know, back up off me a little bit and shout out to Rucker because he gets.
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Urban Meyer
That's frosty.
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Vince Young
The best pitchers in the world that he has to deal with.
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Mark Ingram
Yeah, I'm just interested, bro. Like, I should have got him on. You talk about two of the best quarterbacks that ever played the game, like, in college, for sure. Like, Matt, you threw for 365 yards. V. Why you had over. You had 450 yards of total offense. What was it like watching each other just go back and forth when you on the field a quarterback?
- [20:18]
Matt Leinart
It was like, must see tv, you know? Like, I remember my. My rookie year, and I'm sure we all did this in the league. Like, I played against Brett Favre, and I was like, I'm going to watch Bret. Like, I just want to watch him play because he's my favorite player. When Vince and them were on offense, it was just one of those things that we just. We just knew and. And it took us a little. I think it took both teams a little while, you know, like, we had a little bit of a slow first Half and then the second half we were on fire. Like that was when we started. We were scoring and so we always.
- [20:44]
Vince Young
Holding our breath like, okay, there they go.
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Matt Leinart
Yeah, we were, I think we were up 12 with like 5 minutes left. Like we got in that. We just started to play, you know. And, and for at least for us. Pete was always a great second half adjust. We were always, we were a great second half team.
- [20:57]
Rob Stone
Always.
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Matt Leinart
Like we were always like third, fourth quarter. That's when we finished teams and we felt, we felt good. And when we went up 12, I feel like that was the first time in that game where you never, we never thought it was over by any means, but it was like, oh man. Like we could feel it a little bit, right? Like 12, five minutes left. We were, we were humming on offense. That's. That's going to need to be Superman, which obviously ended up being to win. And then they scored and then it was the play, you know, it was a fourth down and, and everybody asked me about this play and I'm sure coach could probably test it. Like we'd run, we run a power scheme that game like four or five times and like, and just gashed their defense on. We just would average like 8 yards of carry. Lindell just up the middle. Like we ran on a fourth down, he scored and we just felt really good about getting a yard. And then we get the yard, we win, you know, and Reggie wasn't on the field. I get. Everybody asked me that why wasn't he on the field as a decoys? Like, you know, he's not our power running back obviously and that. And then when we got, and I just say this, when we got stopped, I just knew it was over. I was like, there's we aren't stopping this guy and hope hopefully. I was almost like we should let them score real quick. So then we get the ball back with like a minute and a half, two minutes left just to have a shot. I think we got the ball back with like 20 seconds left on our 20 yard line. Like we just had no shot. And I knew the minute they got the ball back on offense after he had just led them down to score, I just, I knew, I just knew it was over. I was like, oh man, this is like, I think the whole stadium, all everyone knew is like just held your breath and hope to hope Vince just made a mistake, you know, or hope we got a T. Just something. And we fell short.
- [22:36]
Mack Brown
Matt and Vince. I got it. You know, you're talking about doing a shot with Michael Jordan and, you know, Will Ferrell and all that. This is what really happens. Mack Brown goes to convention after he wins, in that. We're very close. I happen to walk in the men's room right before he's getting ready to speak, and I look over, I'm taking a leak right next to Mack Brown.
- [22:54]
Urban Meyer
Hey.
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Mack Brown
I said, holy shit, you just won the national championship. He looks at me, goes, it's your turn next. And we got it next year. So you got your Will Ferrell, Snoop Dogg stories. Me and Max celebrating at the men's room in the convention. Remember that, Matt?
- [23:14]
Matt Leinart
That's a real awkward story, Coach, But I do, I do want to coach. While we have Coach. All of us on here, Coach Brown, I'm going to ask you Coach Meyer, in 2004, the year that we went undefeated and smoked Oklahoma, he was undefeated at Utah with Alex Smith and those guys, but they didn't get a shot to play us. He. I don't. I know he doesn't believe this, but he really. He really tries to, like, you know, poke me, saying, they would have kicked our ass if they would have played usc. Can you guys just please tell them that that Utah team had no shot of beating us in 2004.
- [23:48]
Mack Brown
So.
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Vince Young
Wow.
- [23:51]
Urban Meyer
It's just like me saying, if Colt hadn't got hurt, we would have killed Mark in the national championship game. When you don't have to prove it. It doesn't matter. You're wrong.
- [24:01]
Matt Leinart
It doesn't matter. Coach. Kid. Coach, could he just going to stay with that every year? Every year?
- [24:05]
Mark Ingram
Hey, no, Coach, we. We had the game plan for. We had the game plan for Cole. When you had to throw the freshman in there, it threw us for a loop. Man.
- [24:15]
Urban Meyer
What a great advantage for us to have a quarterback that never played.
- [24:18]
Mark Ingram
Like, oh, yeah, we got this in the bag. Young bull came out there sp spinning that thing, man.
- [24:25]
Urban Meyer
We got back in it. Matt, the thing I remember is with. I think it was 649. Yeah, you score and go up by 12, and that's. This is where you two guys are so good at what you do and you win national championships. Because Vince came immediately down to the team and started telling the bench, man, we're good, good. We're going to win a game. Get your head up. Get us a stop. Just get us to stop, man. I mean, instead of pouting, instead of having heads down, we got two guys, two of our best defensive players on the field, one with a broken arm, one with a concussion.
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Matt Leinart
Yeah.
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Urban Meyer
I mean, things did not look good at that time. And then I remember Gene Chisik, the defensive coordinator, when it was the fourth and one and we hadn't stopped Lindell all night, he. I said, bring them all, man. Bring them all.
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Mark Ingram
Bring them all.
- [25:14]
Urban Meyer
If you can get 13, put 13 up there. We've got. They're going to hand it to Lindell. You got to bring them all. And he said, what if they throw it? And I said, congratulate them on a great call in a national championship. But they're not going to throw it. They're going to hand it to Lindell because we haven't stopped him all night. And then Michael Huff shoots through, makes the play in the backfield. And then from that point, Vince on that sideline said, here we go, that's it, we got it. And then I told Vince, score, but score slower because we do not want Matt and the boys to get that ball back again.
- [25:46]
Vince Young
Do not want them to ball back, no.
- [25:48]
Urban Meyer
And then we had set up with Vince. I love Vince. And we wouldn't be. We wouldn't be. I wouldn't be on here if it wasn't for Vince right now. And we, we always said, what do you like? What do you like? Quarterbacks. They got some plays you like, some you don't like as much. What do you like? And Vince was quick. It's what I want, coach. And we said, you got a great arm, but your legs are the best in the country. So look, man, if it's not there, find you a spot. And he stepped in. And the, the thing about you type guys, that's so cool that people don't understand. Vince scores an iconic play for a lifetime. He doesn't celebrate, he doesn't spike the ball because we need to go for two. We've got to be at. We're up by one, we've got to be up by three. So he takes the ball, he hands it to the official, he gets back in the huddle, he calls a play, we call a quarterback draw. It doesn't look good. You've got more guys than we've got. And he figures a way to get the end zone. That's what you guys do. You special players at quarterback find ways to make it happen. And that's what goes unnoticed by people. Most people would have celebrated. Most people would have gotten a 15 yard penalty. And then we don't get the two points. And you had a good field goal kicker. And, and people asked me, there's 16 seconds left. They said, you weren't even excited. I said, man, we're kicking off to Reggie Bush, this game wasn't Nero.
- [27:12]
Mark Ingram
Right?
- [27:12]
Vince Young
Right.
- [27:13]
Urban Meyer
And I said that, that slow tight end. And you didn a slow tight end, you had a fast tight end. But if we could find one to kick it to, he was going to pitch it to Reggie anyway. So. So that's what ended up happening. So. But that's why the game so special.
- [27:26]
Mark Ingram
Coach Brown, everyone wants to know like what it takes to like coach a championship team. Like what, what, what that entails, like what, what that looks like for a championship team. What would you say was the difference between that team and other teams that you had coached who are really extremely talented, who kind of made it and just didn't, you know, get over the edge? What would you say is the difference between that team and some other really talented teams that you had that didn't quite make it to that, you know.
- [27:53]
Urban Meyer
That, that point mark leadership, confidence, depth. In the summer, after the off season program, in the morning I go downstairs in the locker room and Vince has written on the grease board, we had Ohio State the second game of the season and they would have probably played USC if they had beaten us that day. They were that good. And Vince put on the grease board, if you want to beat Ohio State, meet me at 7 o' clock on the practice field. And this was June and they all showed up. So that's when you know the boys are serious. And then in practice, like your all's teams, we were so talented. Every day in practice was a game, man. Yeah, they fought each other and they took care of each other, but they competed at the highest level. So normally the team that we would play on Saturday wasn't as good as the one that we played during practice. We just. And then you have to keep that emotional edge and that's the hardest thing. Don't get complacent. Don't start thinking you're good. We're getting ready to play A and M. We've just beaten Kansas 66 to 14, Senior Day. And I got a call from Bill Parcells. He's coaching the Cowboys and I played for him at Florida State. And Bill Parcell says, you're in trouble, man. And I said, coach, we're undefeated. We're going to play A and M. They're, they're four and seven. He said, yeah, that's what's wrong with you. And he, he actually came up with a statement that said, you're like a fat rat eating a piece of cheese, man. You're eating it and you're feeling good about yourself. A and M's over there, they don't have a bowl game. They have no chance to get anything except beat you. It's all about you this week, man, and you're about to get beat. You better be careful. So I run downstairs, I drop pieces of cheese at every locker. I put his quote up. And then at halftime, we're down 29, 24, and they are playing their butt off, man, and. And Coach Parcells was so right. So I walked in halftime and I said, okay, Coach Parcells was right. We didn't eat enough cheese to die, but we damn sure ate enough to get sick. But we're going to come back and be okay. So we won the game 40 to 29. But that's the day that Reggie went off against Fresno State, and that's the day, I think the voters voted. And Vince lost the Heisman just because we didn't help him as much and didn't play as much that day. But that team learned from that and came back and just got better and better. How many teams are mature enough that after you beat Oklahoma, you can say, okay, we're going to compare our stats against USC stats every game for the rest of the year? So we'd put the Oklahoma State game to bed. Then we'd say, okay, here's what USC did and here's what we did. We didn't do well enough. We turned the ball over too much. We gave up too many rushing yards. We would not have beaten USC today. That's how mature this team was. And it was. That's why they were so fun to coach.
- [30:52]
Mark Ingram
Player led. Team.
- [30:54]
Urban Meyer
Player led.
- [30:55]
Rob Stone
Love this conversation. Coach Brown. Mac, Maddie, guys, thanks. Thanks for talking about. Thanks for reliving. Thanks for bringing up some old wounds for old Mr. Matt over there. Guys, Matt is okay, man.
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Mark Ingram
He got two Natties. The Heisman. Matt will be.
- [31:08]
Rob Stone
He's all right. He's moved on.
- [31:11]
Urban Meyer
From Mark. Mark had wounds for me. Yeah. I mean, we pass it around.
- [31:16]
Mark Ingram
We all a family now.
- [31:18]
Matt Leinart
We are.
- [31:19]
Rob Stone
There you go, Mark.
- [31:20]
Urban Meyer
Give us the biggest.
- [31:21]
Rob Stone
Give us the big podcast hug over there. You can see Maddie on the throwbacks. Welcome to the podcast world, Vince and the Stampede with your former coach, Mack Brown. By Maddie. We'll let you go, but coming up after the break, we're going to keep Coach Brown around a little bit longer. We're going to talk the current state of college football with three of the greatest to ever take the college football field. If you love Wendy's Classic Frosty flavors, we have got some big news for you There are all new Frosty Swirl and Frosty Fusion flavors. So yeah, it's the same creamy treat that you've always loved now with a flavor refresh. So what are these new flavors?
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Mark Ingram
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Mack Brown
You know your flavors. Not to mention that yes, you can still get your classic vanilla. Try them all and find your favorite.
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Mark Ingram
Are you going to be a Strawberry Swirl Girl? A Caramel Craze Fanatic Brownie Batter Buff Pop Tart Strawberry Fanatic Oreo Brownie Steak?
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Rob Stone
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Rob Stone
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- [35:49]
Urban Meyer
I think it's a lot better. We, we should have paid players forever. Urban I got $15 a month. Mark was a super player. He should have gotten a lot of money when he played. And what happened was the universities abused it. They took the money, the conferences took the money and the players and the families didn't get any. If we had given even a stipend for graduation, give Mark 150,000 when he graduates to get his life started, if we could have paid parents way to games or we could have done something to help these families before it got to a point where it was just ridiculous. And then what we do, we panic and we get all the toothpaste out of the tube and we make decisions. A lot of smart people that maybe didn't have enough common sense made decisions that have bad consequences. So right now we don't have any guidelines. And then you've got transfer portal. And the transfer portal and nil at the same time are a disaster because that creates tampering. And if a guy transfers one time, he's got a 63% chance to graduate because a lot of his courses don't transfer. If he transfers four or five times, he's not going to graduate. Then he's not going to have a home, he's not going to have boosters that he gets to know that are favorite players. He's not going to Get a job in that community when he gets out. And I'm really worried about kids making more money in nil up front than they make when they get through with school. And then they don't have a job, then they're homeless, and then we got mental health issues. So I think we've really got some problems here that we need to address. We've got to address them immediately, and we've got to get them fixed.
- [37:37]
Mack Brown
Yeah. You know, Mac, you and I talked when I was in Florida and you were Texas and I was at Ohio State, I mean, at least weekly about, you know, first of all, NCAA issues, compliance issues and, you know, how to. How to enforce it. And there's new college football commission out. But before I go there, I want to go quickly down memory lane here. And this is probably even pre Mark, or it might even be Mark Ingram era. You were not allowed to feed the players. You were not allowed. I mean, it went so far one way with the NCAA that forget about making sure that their families can go travel to bowl games. But you were not. There was a rule where you could. You're allowed to give them a bagel without cream cheese. And I remember I'd sit in those meetings. We both would, and we'd say, what in the hell are we talking about? We got grown men practicing daily. The training tables were awful back then. And you've gone so far. So. And then. And then you have guys on staffs, even our own staff, with every time there's a rule, how do we overcome this rule? You can't throw football in the off season. Okay, let's take balls. Let's take towel. Excuse me, towels. Wrap them in tape and start throwing them. And I'd be, what are we doing? Well, so. And so school is doing this. So a question for you, Mac. This College Football commission, the person that's going to be in charge, Julie Rowe, a dear friend of ours, vice president of enforcement from ncaa, I spent a lot of time with her on the phone. She was a very good friend. Is a very good friend. She said this issues are still going to be the issues. And this, this, there's no subpoena power. And she said that's a federal and that's a state legal. You can't subpoena people. So the expediting any issues, not going to happen, she says. And the second problem with current enforcement is litigation. The minute someone comes down on someone, they get sued that Tom Mars guy or, you know, it's a major lawsuit and the NCAA loses. Here is why I'm so skeptical. Those two issues are still there. I don't care who's in charge unless you get subpoena power and unless you get absolutely no litigation. That's what the NFL has. And if you can't. NFL is under one. You know, it's under one umbrella. Everybody signs the same rules. NCAA is not that way, and neither is this College Football Commission. Any comment on that?
- [39:57]
Urban Meyer
Yes, I totally agree. And I've always hated rules that they can't make sure that people abide by. It's not a rule. If everybody can break it and nothing happens, there's no consequences. So I think Urban, instead of this czar, this one guy, I think we get Congress, we get the commissioners, we get top coaches, we get top ads, we get top presidents, we get the NCAA in a room and say, what's best for college football? It's a great game. It's been super for all of us. What's best for the players, what's best for the families, what's best for the fans, what's best for the coaches? Coaches are making more money than ever before and they're miserable. They're just miserable because there's no rules and they don't know what to do. And you're so right. Forever. There were summer workouts where we couldn't go watch the players, but some guys would go watch the players. And then when compliance would come, they'd have a song that would play to say, go hide. And they'd run and hide. So they're just cheating. I mean, it's just it. And I mean, I know that for a fact. Some would. Would the 20 hour a week rule. People just laugh at the 20 hour a week rule. And then you and I were trying to do it right. So we know. Can't. Can't do that. You've got to cut it off right now. You can't practice anymore. Like you said, the guys. I always hated spring break when guys didn't have a place to go. They couldn't afford to go home. They didn't have any money, they couldn't eat and we couldn't pay them. So you have to find a player to take them home instead of feed them. Gosh, feed these kids. Or like you said, what is a snack? What does it matter? Feed them.
- [41:34]
Mack Brown
Remember that?
- [41:35]
Urban Meyer
Feed them. Bill Snyder from Kansas State, who's a great friend of ours, called one day and said, is it true that you can have nuts and berries and bagels and that's it? I said, yes. And he said, what's that about? I said I don't know who made that rule. But a lot of the rules were made by people that have never played and never coached. And we've got to put some common sense into these rules. And I think, Coach, we've got to go more the NFL rules. If the NFL doesn't have these issues, then why not? We're paying players. We're not amateur anymore. We're not amateurism.
- [42:10]
Mark Ingram
Right.
- [42:11]
Urban Meyer
Players getting paid. So let's go, let's be the mini NFL, because that's what we are. We're the mini NFL without guidelines. Let's get us some guidelines. Get a salary cap, get collective bargaining. Let's, let's make this thing where it fits.
- [42:25]
Mack Brown
So Mark and Rob. So Mac and I would go to the NCAA Convention every year and we'd always sit next to each other and we'd be on some committees sometimes and you'd sit and you'd look up there and there'd be an assistant commissioner from the Sunbelt Conference, there'd be assistant athletic director from Old Dominion or, you know, and I'm, I'm not picking on those schools. But you have the top 50 programs, maybe top 25 programs are operating at a whole different level. Why in the world do we have someone from the Sunbelt Conference given their opinion about how this should go on? And this went on for 20 years. And this is Eric. Where are we at today? We are where we are at today in my mind because of the mismanagement and some leadership issues. I think everybody's heart was in a good place. They wanted to do the right thing. But yet people pulling strings that should not have been doing that. It should have been like minded, like minded universities have like minded issues. And that's not the same as, you know, the Mac Conference versus the sec. It's a completely different animal. So that's. I just witnessed it, Mac. I know you witnessed it. We look at each other every, every year I'd sit right next to you and we look at each other and say, what in the hell are we talking about here?
- [43:40]
Urban Meyer
Yeah, they've got to separate divisions and have a ruling body for each division. I even think, Coach, that the, the group of five should have their own national championship, have a playoff, just like fcs. Their teams are not going to win the national championship. They're not going to be able to play. Pay $20 million to these kids, let them have a chance, every one of them, to win a national championship. Have their own Heisman, have their own Lombardi award, Butkus award. And I just think we separate the divisions and let them play. And it'd be fun. I would watch a great championship game between a group of five, two teams, right? But watching a group of five play Alabama in the first round is a waste in many cases.
- [44:28]
Mark Ingram
Well, coach, man, you've always been a player's coach. Like, what advice would you give to, like, today's coaches that have to operate these teams like NFL GMs? Like, I'm just, I'm interested from your point of view. You've been so successful, you've been a player's coach. Like, what advice would you give to these young coaches today who have to manage their rosters like NFL GMs?
- [44:50]
Urban Meyer
Mark, most of the jobs have a higher expectation than they have commitment. And that's really difficult for the coaches. And then people say, well, you knew the deal. Why'd you take it? Well, maybe he couldn't get anything else for the young coach, that that's what he's got to do. Urban took Bowling Green. He had to make it work. And if he didn't, then he wouldn't have gotten Utah. I mean, that's the process that we go through. What I would tell young coaches is, you got to be you, man. You still got to have your discipline. You see some teams with a lot of money that are spending it and they're still losing. You've still got to evaluate, right?
- [45:26]
Mark Ingram
Who do you pay the wrong players?
- [45:28]
Urban Meyer
Paying the wrong players, what's the value of each player? Do you go to the portal instead of going to the high schools? You got some decisions to make now with your evaluations. But evaluations are more important than ever before. And if we're sitting there, had three ex NFL guys on our staff last year and I said, what? Talk to me about salary cap. What is that going to mean for us? They said, that means your offensive line coach is going to have a certain amount of money and you and your general manager are going to sit in there with him. And if that left tackle asks for a million four and the right guard and the right tack lasts for 700 a piece, then. And you only have that much money, you're going to have to make a decision. Do you let the left tackle go and replace and move the right tackle to left tackle and keep the right guard and get you another right tackle, or are you going to keep the left tackle and lose the right guard and right tackle? You look at your safeties, you got enough money. What's the value of ever safety and we've always done that with assistant coaches. If an assistant coach came in and asked Urban for a raise, he'd have to say, what's your value to me? Can I get somebody else better? I don't need to pay you more. You need to pick it up, man. You got to coach better. What's your value? And that's what we're looking at with each one of these players now. And the guys that are in trouble are going to go heavy portal because they're not going to go high school guys because people aren't patient anymore. And do you have enough time to develop that three star safety or are you going to go to a college team and get older, more mature safety? And that's what's really hurt high school recruiting, which I hate.
- [47:04]
Mark Ingram
Yeah, yeah.
- [47:06]
Mack Brown
Hey Mac, I want to change subjects for last question here. And you're known throughout the profession is just, you know, genuine, sincere and good friend. And you were to me. So I took the job. Mark and, and rob@florida05 and I had, we had great success at Bowling Green, great success at Utah. Then I step into that different planet now, the SEC and we lose to Alabama and we lose to at Alabama, at lsu. And Mac, I get a phone call like on a Sunday night. He must, he watched a press conference and it looked like someone beat me with a bat. And I'm walking on my cell phone rings, I don't recognize the number. And then I get it, I don't answer it. I get a text message, say it's Mack Brown, give me a call. So I come, I said, Mac Brown never met Matt Brown. And I answer their phone and I'll let Mac take it. But basically he said, hey, it's Mac Brown and how you doing? And I gave the standard, I'm good, everything's great, everything's fine. He said, no, honestly, how you doing, brother? And I said, really not good. You know, I'm, I'm six feet under already, man. And I've only been here a couple months. And he walked and talked me through the things he went through in his profession that other coaches have gone through ways to handle, you know, the stress, the perfection, you know, the fan base. And Mac, to this day, I called, I called Marcus Freeman. I've called. When I see that same look on a young coach's face because of you, I picked that phone up and I call him and I want to tell you thanks for doing that.
- [48:43]
Urban Meyer
Thank you. I had the Joe Paternos, Bobby Bowden's coach, Royal Bo Schembechler Lou Holtz. Those guys would call me and I would text or call them. They call me right back and I'd say, I'm in trouble. How do you handle this? And they would hit me. And I thought that that's my role now. My role as an older coach is to help younger coaches. And I'm not going to call unless I respect the guy. I loved what you were doing. I didn't know you, I'd never spoken to you, but you did a great job at Bowling Green. Not good. You did a great job at Utah. Both are different jobs. And then when you go to Florida. I just left North Carolina and gone to Texas and I could say something at North Carolina and it was funny and it was cute and everybody laughed. I said it at Texas and it was national and everybody's beating me up. And I'd get home and my wife would say, did you really say that? And I'd say, yes, I was cutting up. She said, well, they missed that part. They didn't know that you were cutting up. They didn't think it was funny. So I think that's what we do. You and I are at a point in our careers where we've had a good run, we've had a lot of fun. We've done some things we liked. We've done some things we would have done differently. And what a gift to be able to tell a young coach, I wouldn't do that and here's why I wouldn't do it. And I tried that in 1972 and it didn't fly. And here's why it didn't fly and it sure wouldn't fly now. So that's fun for me and I appreciate you saying that. And it was an honor for me for you to take the call, guys.
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Rob Stone
Saturday, August 30, Texas at Ohio State. All right, coaches, bullet point me. Mac, why does Texas win? Or why do you think they can win? Urban why do you think Ohio State wins? Coach Brown, I start with you.
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Urban Meyer
Well, I didn't like that it's the opening game for either team especially. One loses in the semifinals, one wins the national championship, loses his quarterback. We had Louisiana Lafayette the week before. We went to Columbus to the shoe. So we had a warm up 160 to 3. So we at least the routine of getting on that bus and getting all the new players together. And Friday night before the game and what do you do in pregame? They're not going to have that. This is going to be that young quarterback at Ohio State, Arch Manning's first really big deal. And it's going to be in front of millions of people. I like Texas because they've got archback and Ohio State's inexperienced at quarterback. And I like the fact that it's at noon for Texas. I played it at 8 o' clock at night. I don't know how many people were sober there, urban, but they were screaming and cussing and that was the loudest stadium I have ever heard in my life. And it was a wonderful experience and fun. But you do not want to go to Columbus, Ohio at night, I can promise you that. So when I saw it was a noon game, I thought, what a great advantage for Texas. I don't have to sit there all day. I don't have to be nervous all day. You get up and you play, man, and at 12 o', clock, it's going to be a lot different environment, still be loud, but it's not going to be the same as it is at night.
- [51:53]
Mack Brown
I think Ohio State, I think it's be a great game. And I think this, you know, before I go on Ohio State, Arch Manning and I've watched a lot of them and this is going to be, you know, a player with that name and that background and the expectations put on him. He's going to have to. He's going to have to play great and he's picking a tough team to play great at in a tough environment. If he struggles, mark this down this, that'll be a. There's going to be a lot of pressure on that player, unfair pressure, because he is a hell of a player. Is he going to win the Heisman? I mean, that's. Those are big, big questions asked. But here, here's why I think Ohio State's got the advantage. They have Jeremiah Smith, the best player in college football. And I don't think it's really that close. You can roll up on him, you can double him and you can slow him down. You can't stop him. But they have other weapons that Carnell Tate's going to come into his own. That's a big freakish athlete as well, this Julian saying. They say he's probably going to be the quarterback, but I think the ability to have someone other than one show team, and that's Jeremiah Smith, they got more than that. They've recruited so well the skill positions there. That's why they won last year. You can, you can slow down Jeremiah Smith, but you can't do it with the other weapons around like they have. So I think it's gonna be a great game. And obviously. Mac, are you coming to it?
- [53:16]
Urban Meyer
I am sure I am going to sit on my couch in Linville.
- [53:20]
Mack Brown
We might get you on Big Noon that day. We're all right.
- [53:23]
Urban Meyer
We'll be on Big Noon. And I'll. I'll even miss my morning golf game if you want me to do that.
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Rob Stone
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- [53:31]
Mark Ingram
And Coach tell me come play up there.
- [53:34]
Urban Meyer
It'd be tough, but I will do it.
- [53:36]
Mark Ingram
Coach, tell me gonna come play up there. Muirfield, with us, man.
- [53:39]
Urban Meyer
I need to. I need to. Without question.
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Rob Stone
Coach Brown, so kind of you to join us.
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Mark Ingram
You gotta watch him.
- [53:47]
Rob Stone
I love hearing your voice. I. I'm so happy you're still involved in college football. And we cannot wait to hear you and your former qb, Vince, a couple Texas football legends. And now co host of the newest podcast from Ample Media, the Stampede. Great name, guys. The Stampede. A podcast on the Texas Longhorns. It is available at all the same places you get our show. In fact, they just dropped episode number one this week, Coach. Enjoy the rest of your summer. Can't wait to talk to you again down the road. And stamped it up, my friend. Stampede.
- [54:19]
Urban Meyer
Thanks, Rob. Thanks for having me on. I love your show. I'm a huge fan and. And it's fun to watch you guys and you have so much fun, but you're spoiled. You give us so much information. So good for you.
- [54:30]
Mark Ingram
Thanks, Coach Brown. You the man. Legend. We appreciate your time.
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Urban Meyer
Light it.
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Urban Meyer
And breathe.
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Rob Stone
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Urban Meyer
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Rob Stone
Welcome back to the triple option presented by Wendy's. The triple option crystal ball. Last time this season, guys, we're breaking out the crystal ball and it is brought to you by BetMGM. BetMGM has given you the chance to win a prize every day during the baseball season. Step into the batter's box for BetMGM's swing for the fences. Free to play game. Visit BetMGM app to access the game and you will score prize if you hit a single, double, triple or a home run. So, guys, we're gonna go in the way back machine right now.
- [56:26]
Mark Ingram
The way back.
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Rob Stone
The way back. And we're gonna remind you guys a little bit about what we did when the college season ended, right? We talked about who we think is gonna win it all and who we see as maybe our dark horse team. So, coach, you and Mark both had Texas as your national champion dark horse was Tennessee for you, coach Mark? It was Bama. I had Penn State winning it and I had two dark horses, LSU and Clemson. We take an updated look at the odds because they have.
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Mark Ingram
That's a good mixture of teams there.
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Rob Stone
It's a lot. It's a blend of a lot of teams out there. It keeps the conversation going. Right, Mark?
- [57:01]
Mark Ingram
It's nice though. It's legit too.
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Rob Stone
Since then, remember, we've had the. The transfer. The spring transfer portal. We had spring games. Odds have changed. So we're going to revisit these odds about a month until the season starts. So Ohio State and Texas right now, guys, both at plus 500. They are seen as the teams to beat by the way. They meet in the opening game this season in Columbus, followed by Georgia at plus 6. 50, Penn State at plus 800. So 2 secs, two big tens right there. Another big ten, Oregon plus 8. 50. Clemson plus 900. Notre Dame plus 1400. Bama and LSU plus 1500. Michigan plus 2200. So, Mark, I'll start with you again. You had Texas and then Bama as Your dark horse. How you feeling about those right now?
- [57:48]
Mark Ingram
I still like them still to this, still to this moment, man. You talk about Texas with Arch Manning taking over at the helm. He had some big game experience last year. Some, some very important refs that he took last year with Quinn, yours being injured. Talk about their defense who has been traditionally ranked in the top five over the last, the top three over the last three seasons. They returned six starters. Talk about Steve Sarkeesian and what he's been able to do back to back CFP appearances. Then just their recruiting class. So they're full of talent, they're full of coaching. They got the quarterback, they got talent all over. Their schedule isn't too grueling even though SEC has I think the top, the top 11 hardest schedules in college football. I, I like Texas right now with the, the outlook. It pains me to stay it, you know, but I like Texas and their outlook right now with what they have going on and what they've built on and the momentum they're building on. And then Alabama, man, they're still a. They're still the. Alabama got Ty Simpson, you know, the projected starter, got talent all over the offense at wide receiver, at running back, at talent all over the defense. Kaylin DeBoer, they're super motivated coming into off that season, off that season that they had last. Last year. A couple tough losses at the end of the season. So I like my favorite in Texas and I like my dark horse and my Crimson Tide still to this moment right now.
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Rob Stone
All right, so nothing's changed for you, Coach?
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Mack Brown
Yeah. Let's talk about Texas for a minute. I think in recent history, Arch Banning is going to have the most pressure. And I was trying to go back, you know, I had Chris Leake was enormous pressure because he was the number one player in America coming out of high school. Yet Tim Tebow, you had Cam Newton, you had these, these quarterbacks that scam Newton. I mean that had so much pressure and it impacts them and especially when you start. Market said a comment I don't want this to go by easily here. The 11 most difficult schedules in college football next year are all SEC schools. So that's what Arch Manning has to face. So I remember a guy sat there right after we won a bowl game and he said, how does it feel knowing that anything other than undefeated season and a national championship is a failure? That's what Archbanny's facing, only he's undefeated season.
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Mark Ingram
Not necessarily because Ohio State didn't have undefeated season. They won the national championship. And it was a success, right?
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Mack Brown
I'm not saying what success or not. I'm saying the fans, right, the media, they're going to be beating that guy to death if he doesn't have. Once again, I don't know what his success is. You know I do. But no, I agree with you, Mark. I mean with that, the schedule, playing sec, but people don't look at it that way. This is the next coming so schedule.
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Mark Ingram
You're also playing at Ohio State to start the season.
- [60:33]
Rob Stone
Right.
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Mack Brown
So I like Ohio State, Texas. That makes sense. Tennessee's gone. I don't. I had them. This is before the Nico transfer, which still to this day I'm scratching my say what in the world happened there? There's going to be a story someday about what happened there. I don't know what it is. Why would you leave a team that just made the playoffs? He's as talented quarterback as I've seen in a long time and he's at ucla, which, which is great, but he's.
- [60:58]
Mark Ingram
For less money, I believe.
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Mack Brown
But Penn State is the one team that they're kind of following the pattern that the Wolverines did and the Buckeyes did with an extremely veteran team, which I think now is the playbook to go win a championship. Because you're, you're coaching senior, you know, I never coach seniors. They're all gone by the time, you know, the Mark Ingrams of the world are gone. After your third year, now you're getting fourth year. Imagine what that's like, Mark, to be on a team with a bunch of fourth year players that are grown men, man, that are, I mean, that's battle test.
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Mark Ingram
Yeah.
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Rob Stone
And oh, by the way, a return Drew Allergy under center. Yeah, that's. Well, that's the question. But that's also a perk, you know, a lot of these other programs that we're talking about right now, Ohio State, Texas, you know, Oregon changes at quarterback. Who knows what you're really going to get. You know, we feel good. I think if you were with Ohio State or Texas or, or in Eugene, you're like, we're going to be okay, but are we going to be as good at that position as we were the prior year? That's why I like the LSU's. That's why I like the Clemsons. That's why I like the Penn State.
- [62:01]
Urban Meyer
Yeah.
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Rob Stone
That stability under center.
- [62:03]
Urban Meyer
Yes.
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Rob Stone
Goes a long way. Goes a long way.
- [62:06]
Mark Ingram
Yes, it does.
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Rob Stone
It's going to be a fun season, man. I'm, I'm really like, I love the fact that.
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Mark Ingram
So revisit your choices. Stoner, how do you feel?
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Rob Stone
I had Penn State and I feel like the same way that Mark, you and I have felt about Penn State for the last year and a half. Like, all right, Coach Franklin, we talked to him earlier this season, right? Like, go win the big one.
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Mack Brown
Right?
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Rob Stone
Like, go, go.
- [62:24]
Mark Ingram
When the one.
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Rob Stone
You're a big dog. And, and, and it is lining up to coach's point that they've got a lot of, a lot of the things in line for them to, to get over that. That hump, if you will. And then I just said LSU and Clemson as, as dark horses. Hell yeah. I'll take those two as dark horses. Again, starting quarterbacks, a Heisman may find its way to one of those death valleys.
- [62:44]
Mark Ingram
For sure.
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Mack Brown
For sure.
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Mark Ingram
As long as it's not lsu, I'll take issue.
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Rob Stone
Okay, that's all right. That's all right. We don't have to fight against this one. All right, so here. We're almost here, guys. We're almost here. You can see the smile on our face. I cannot wait. Also, looking forward to a quick break. We'll talk about that in a second. Remember, Follow subscribe rate us on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, where you get your podcast as well as across social media. We are at 3x option show. Thank you to our awesome sponsors all season long, the great folks at Wendy's NHTSA gm. And remember, we're taking a little break. Just a baby break. A baby break. We will be back August 20th ahead of week zero. Again, you need your college football fix. We encourage you to go back to previous episodes of the triple option to get yourself ready for the upcoming 20202025 college football season. Boys, enjoy your baby break. Only a baby break.
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Mark Ingram
Mini break.
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Rob Stone
Back at it with the triple option next season.
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Urban Meyer
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