Georgia Back on Top, Tennessee Wins QB Trade, Brian Kelly Sounds Off, & Todd McShay Joins

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Triple Option

Episode Title: Georgia Back on Top, Tennessee Wins QB Trade, Brian Kelly Sounds Off, & Todd McShay Joins
Date: September 17, 2025
Hosts: Urban Meyer, Mark Ingram II, Rob Stone
Guest: Todd McShay

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Episode Overview

In this week's lively episode of The Triple Option, Urban Meyer, Mark Ingram II, and Rob Stone break down another drama-filled weekend in college football. They deep-dive into Georgia’s gritty comeback win over Tennessee, dissect the fallout and winner of the now-infamous college "quarterback trade," and analyze Brian Kelly's fiery postgame press conference. Draft savant Todd McShay joins to evaluate the shifting landscape among college quarterbacks and project NFL Draft stock. The crew also hands out “Dog of the Week” honors, previews the top games ahead, and captures the pulse of a new era in college football—where NIL, conference realignment, and coaching contracts create drama as compelling as the games themselves.

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1. Georgia's Overtime Comeback at Tennessee

Key Segment: [01:58 – 08:28]

Game Breakdown

• Tennessee led 21-7 in the first quarter and still had an eight-point lead with less than seven minutes in the fourth.
• A missed field goal in the dying seconds sent the game to overtime, where Georgia clinched their ninth straight win over the Vols.

Key Insights & Takeaways

• Mark Ingram: Praises Tennessee QB Joey Aguilar for his poise but credits Georgia’s resilience:

  “Joey Aguilar balled out for Tennessee… But bigger picture, Georgia, they just stayed in the game. Even when it was looking dark, they just stayed in it. They never gave up.” [02:42]

• Georgia QB Gunner Stockton put up 304 yards, 2 TDs, no turnovers – earned glowing reviews from the hosts.
• Rob Stone:

  “I would argue that… he [Stockton] provided us the pass and the play of the season… I think it’s the player of the year so far.” [07:30]

• Urban Meyer: Notes the critical importance of special teams and field goal practice, citing multiple big games decided by late kicks:

  “You work on that once a week, and you’re gonna let the players play 69 and a half minutes and then you jog that team out there and they screw it up…” [03:43]

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2. SEC Power Rankings: Where Does the Title Run Through?

Key Segment: [05:15 – 06:50]

• The hosts debate whether the SEC still "runs through Athens" (Georgia), or if LSU (Baton Rouge) and Texas A&M (College Station) factor in.
• Urban Meyer: On Texas A&M’s unrealized potential:

  “They have not been the player they should be. Best facilities, incredible budget, great high school football within a three-hour radius… a trophy case that’s empty.” [06:08]

• Meyer is impressed by A&M’s new coach and their emotional win at Notre Dame.
• Mark puts forward LSU as a team that could re-route the SEC race.

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3. The "Quarterback Trade": Aguilar vs. Nico, and a Wild Path

Key Segment: [09:28 – 11:19]

• Joey Aguilar’s journey: quit football, worked as a firefighter, junior college, then App State, then UCLA (who let him go)—ending up at Tennessee and almost leading a huge win.
• Urban Meyer:

  “That must be… the worst trade in the history of trades and Tennessee lands this guy… I was dead wrong. That kid played his ass off, man.” [09:56]

• Nico Iamaleava left Tennessee for UCLA; now at a struggling program with no wins and no coach.
• The hosts call it possibly the "first and worst trade in college football history" [10:50], and caution against chasing NIL money or poor transfer decisions.

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4. Coaching Carnage, Buyouts, and the NIL-Era Financial Squeeze

Key Segment: [11:42 – 15:56]

• UCLA and Virginia Tech both fire head coaches after just a few weeks—highlighting changing economics (buyout sizes, donor burnout, NIL pressure).

• Urban Meyer:

  “I think the day of the $37 million locker room’s over, Mark… from what I’m hearing, there’s no money.” [14:46]

• Discussion of whether programs like Virginia Tech need a "Deion Sanders-style reboot." Is Michael Vick a potential candidate?

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5. Dog of the Week: Mark Ingram’s Multi-Dog Celebration

Key Segment: [16:07 – 17:10]

• Mark delivers a multi-player “Dog of the Week,” focusing on clutch performances:
  • Texas A&M QB Marcel Reed: 360 pass yds, 2 TDs, game-winning toss.
  • A&M Receiver Mario Craver: 207 rec yds, 2 TDs.
  • Georgia Tech’s Haynes King: 211 pass, 103 rush, 2 TDs in upset win over Clemson.
• Mark jokes:

  “That’s three dogs of the week because they all some dogs.” [17:10]

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6. Brian Kelly’s Postgame Blow-up & Media Dynamics

Key Segment: [22:13 – 32:30]

• Kelly bristles at critical questioning despite a 20-10 win, saying:

  “We played the game to win the game… You want us to win 70 to nothing against Florida to keep you happy?” [Brian Kelly, 22:19 & 22:38]

• He accuses fans/media of being “spoiled” and demands respect for his program:

  “This team is 17 and one at night. Give them some respect instead of micro analyzing every little thing.” [Brian Kelly, 23:19]

• Robust debate between the three hosts on whether Kelly’s reaction was justified:
  • Urban Meyer: Sympathizes with the heat of the moment, saying, “He’s saying what every coach probably wants to say… he’ll be much different today.” [24:02]
  • Rob Stone: Counters, “Our job on the media is to what, ask questions? He knows that… if you’re being paid that much money, sit there, take the question, answer it, and move on. I felt he was ducking the question.”
• Extended discussion on the adrenaline, emotions, and invisible battle lines between coaches and reporters.
  • Rob Stone: “I am. I was petrified to talk to [Warren Sapp], but I’m like, this is my job… I want to move up the food chain, so I’m going to take that bullet…” [31:19]

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7. NFL Draft Deep Dive with Todd McShay

Key Segment: [35:24 – 53:27]

Quarterback Stock Watch

• Todd McShay’s QB list: Nussmeier, Sellers, Clubnik, Mendoza, Matier.
• Urban Meyer: Asks about busts, struggles, ‘what’s up with Arch?’ and shifting skill profiles.
• Todd McShay:
  • Arch Manning won’t be in the 2026 class—plan has always been 2027, despite hype.
  • “We’ve seen some of these really talented quarterbacks… not playing to the level.”
  • Praises Nussmeier’s football IQ and pre-snap abilities, compares to Andrew Luck in that respect.
  • Highlights that Clubnik and Arch are not playing loose; pressure is impacting performance.

The Mahomes Effect & Quarterback Development

• Meyer raises the impact of Patrick Mahomes’ unconventional mechanics.
• McShay agrees:

  “He messed it all up… Now every quarterback is trying to be Mahomes.” [42:26]

  • Warns that “the rule works for the vast majority”—not everyone can succeed off script.
  • Comparison to Steph Curry and basketball:

    “Just like Steph Curry did in the NBA, everyone wants to shoot these threes.” [44:25]

Transfers, NIL, & Character Evaluation

• McShay:

  “You’ve got to kind of sift through it… There are individuals that are chasing the money… but I spend more time now talking to scouts about players’ character, their upbringing, who’s in their life…” [45:01]

  • “The hardest part of evaluating a player... what is this human being going to do with more money, more fame and more free time than he’s ever had before?” [47:48]
• Joey Aguilar’s journey lauded as a “bonus story” vs. negative storylines associated with other QB transfers.

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8. QB Talk: Big Ten & Big 12 Stock Report

Key Segment: [54:13 – 59:15]

• Coach Meyer: The Big Ten is suddenly “absolutely loaded” at QB; cites Dante Moore as best so far, with Demond Williams, Julian Sayin, and Aidan Chiles close behind.

  • Praises Michigan’s Bryce Underwood:

    “Talent for talent, he might be as good as I’ve seen in a while… You don’t have to like them, but you better show respect.” [55:26]

• Mark Ingram’s most impressive QBs:

  • Carson Beck (Miami): 812 yds, 7 TD, nearly 80% comp.
  • John Matier (Oklahoma): 944 pass, 5 TDs; 4 rush TDs; described as “dual threat.”
  • Marcel Reed (Texas A&M): Over 1,000 total yards, 10 TDs after three games.

• Rob Stone spotlights underrated QBs:

  • Baron Morton (Texas Tech): 60 career TDs, 11 in 2025, 70% comp.
  • Josh Hoover (TCU): 76% completion rate.
  • Taylor Green (Arkansas): “Already thrown for 11 touchdowns, just 2 picks.”

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9. Game Previews & Picks (Three and Out & Two-Minute Drill)

Key Segment: [59:43 – 70:48]

• Illinois at Indiana (Big Ten): Hoosiers favored by 4.5, both are 3–0. Rob picks Illinois to cover.
• Texas Tech at Utah: Urban Meyer waxes poetic about SLC and picks Utah to win convincingly at home.
• Oklahoma vs. Auburn:
  • Mark Ingram analyzes both squads, likes Oklahoma–John Matier to cover against Auburn.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Urban Meyer: “The day of the $37 million locker room’s over… from what I’m hearing, there’s no money.” [14:46]
• Mark Ingram: “Three dogs of the week, because they all some dogs.” [17:10]
• Brian Kelly (rant): “We played the game to win the game. We played the game to win the game.” [22:20]; “You’re spoiled… Give them some respect!” [23:19]
• Rob Stone (on QB transfers): “Chasing the almighty buck—it’s going to bite you.” [11:33]
• Todd McShay (on Mahomes’ influence): “He messed it all up. Now every quarterback is trying to be Mahomes.” [42:26]
• Rob Stone (on media-coach tension): “You people are chicken shit. You are scared. I am. I was petrified…” [31:14]

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Episode Tone and Chemistry

The episode is fast-paced, authentic, and peppered with banter. The hosts’ mix of perspectives—coach, player, and journalist—is on full display as they debate openly, poke fun at each other, and analyze the game with passion and insight.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Georgia-Tennessee Recap: 01:58 – 08:28
• SEC Power Debate: 05:15 – 06:50
• QB Transfer Drama: 09:28 – 11:19
• Coaching & Buyout Discourse: 11:42 – 15:56
• Dog(s) of the Week: 16:07 – 17:10
• Brian Kelly’s Press Conference: 22:13 – 32:30
• NFL Draft Chat w/ Todd McShay: 35:24 – 53:27
• Big Ten/Big 12 QB Breakdown: 54:13 – 59:15
• Game Picks and Two-Minute Drill: 59:43 – 70:48

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Summary

This episode lays bare the chaos and excitement of a new era in college football. From dramatic on-field finishes, evolving quarterback archetypes, and the consequences of chasing NIL money, to coaches under intense pressure and the realities of a shifting financial landscape, The Triple Option delivers both entertainment and insight. The addition of Todd McShay’s X-and-O nerd-out on quarterback development and draftability is pure gold for fans interested in the game beyond Saturday’s score.

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Transcript

[Mark Ingram]

Hey, the reporter, funny though.

[Todd McShay]

He said, I think we just want.

[Mark Ingram]

To know why you can't run the football. Hey, but what's funny is what you said, Stone, he came in there, he marked his ground.

[Rob Stone]

He peed around that podium.

[Mark Ingram]

He marked his ground and then, then it made everybody else mark they ground.

[Rob Stone]

Yeah.

[Mark Ingram]

You know what I mean? So. Yeah, you want to know what I.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, you want to know what you.

[Mark Ingram]

Didn'T do on third down. But we want to know why you can't run the football. Did you see the last play?

[Todd McShay]

That's all you need.

[Rob Stone]

Light the triple option is brought to you by Wendy's. Wake up with Wendy's 2 for $3 breakfast light. Welcome to the triple option. Rob Stone, Mark Ingram, the second coach Urban Meyer here with you this week on the show, an early peek at the NFL Draft Board with draft expert Todd McShay. There are three ranked games in college football this week. We're going to pick them all. Brian Kelly.

[Mark Ingram]

Brian with reporters.

[Rob Stone]

And what do we make of Georgia off that walk off win in Knoxville? As always, thanks for joining us here on the triple option rate. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts Spotify. Wherever it is you find your podcasts, you can find us on social media. We love to interact with you all. We are at 3X option show new episodes every Wednesday on YouTube or wherever it is you find your podcast. Are we ready now, guys? Like this was a classic example of on any given Saturday stuff happens in college football, right? So Texas A and M goes to South Bend. They dropped the Irish to Owen 2 by the way. Notre Dame still ranked at 0 and 2. Georgia Tech a lot of us called it walked off Clemson in Atlanta. The Tigers their second loss on a field goal is Tom expired this season already. Vanderbilt. Mark, you remember what Vanderbilt did Alabama last season.

[Mark Ingram]

Everyone wants to bring that up. It's okay.

[Rob Stone]

I know, I'm sorry. Well they took down South Carolina. Carolina minus Lenora Sellers by the way. But we are going to dig in with George's come from behind overtime win in Tennessee. I think all of us except for maybe you coach were in the air as this one was going on. Tennessee up 217 in the first quarter. Eight point lead with six and change in the fourth. Missed a 43 yard field goal with three seconds left. So we go to overtime and then in the end Georgia Does Georgia Things 9th win in a row for the Dogs over the Vols. Mark your first big takeaway while we were watching that game that the thoughts that that were going through your body as everything Was transpiring, particularly there in the fourth quarter.

[Mark Ingram]

Well, I thought for one, Joey Aguilar balled out for Tennessee. Like, you cannot put this on him. He had this team in position to win the game. They have. At the end of the game, they're probably, you know, a kicker, a distance that the kicker should make, right? They have a false start penalty. Back them up five. The nerves are still going. Then we missed a kick. So I thought Jo Aguilar played well. But bigger picture, Georgia, they just stayed in the game. Even when it was looking dark, they just stayed in it. They never gave up. They ran the football well. Gunner Stockton was efficient. 23 for 31, 304 yards, two touchdowns, no turnovers. Georgia just continues to do Georgia things. Kirby plays, he runs the football. Their defense struggled. You know, I mean, it didn't look like a Georgia defense, but big picture, they went on the road into a hostile environment against a quarterback who played extremely well. They found a way to win. That's what Georgia does. That's what Kirby Smart does. He was my defensive coordinator when I was at Alabama and he still has the. He still has the recipe, you know.

[Urban Meyer]

A quick hit on these things. I just wrote this down. Tennessee, Georgia, Notre Dame A and M and Clemson, JA Tech. Georgia Tech had one thing in common that every, every game came down to that field goal team. They jog on the field and think about that for a minute. And, and I used to, I, I actually got an argument with coaches along the road because I became a special teams nut job when I was. I became special teams coordinator at Notre Dame. And then you start studying the. The analytics of how critical, you know, not just. Everybody says the kicker, I get that. But someone dropped a snap too in the Notre Dame game, you know, and then obviously Georgia Tech hit the bomb for the win. So we used to practice Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. And a lot of guys say, why are we doing field goal every day? And I was like, guys, listen now, you know, you work on that once a week and you're gonna let the players play 69 and a half minutes and then you jog that team out there and they screw it up. So, I mean, it's amazing and great football, but man, think about coach, they.

[Mark Ingram]

Say three things have to go coach, they say three things have to go right for you when you kick a field goal. Snap, hold and a kick. So the more you practice the operation, the more confident you are in it when you have to go out there and hit the game winner. It's a shame. Notre Dame season Came down to a missed extra point.

[Urban Meyer]

Coach think about that. And it, it wasn't missed. He dropped the ball.

[Mark Ingram]

Yes, yes.

[Rob Stone]

I mean the, not done. Not done. But they, they are, they're hurting. They're hurting.

[Urban Meyer]

They can see the end.

[Rob Stone]

Those two quality losses.

[Mark Ingram]

You got to hope Jordan, Maya and.

[Rob Stone]

USC are USC's ranked now. Yeah, yeah, I, I, I agree. I don't think Notre Dame season is done, but they're, they're hurting. Let's talk though about the sec. Where does the SEC title run through? Does it still, does it run through Athens right now? Mark Ingram.

[Mark Ingram]

Well, they always say you have to beat them, right? So yeah, you have to beat the champs. So it does run through Georgia, but not through Austin.

[Rob Stone]

Not through Austin, not through Tuscaloosa. You say Athens.

[Mark Ingram]

I don't think it runs through Tuscaloosa right now. Tuscaloosa has to go take it. Austin has to go take it.

[Urban Meyer]

Are we sleeping on A and M the most?

[Mark Ingram]

The one team that I say it does have to run through is lsu. Baton Rouge.

[Rob Stone]

We'll get to, we'll get to Baton Rouge in a second.

[Mark Ingram]

That's who I think that it might run through.

[Rob Stone]

Coach, you saying College Station. Let's give them some votes.

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah, because the, his, that's one of the programs that's, to me has always been an enigma. Why can't you win? You know, they were very competitive in the Big 12, the Big 8 Conference, the Southwest Conference. And then the higher ups make a decision and let's move to the sec. And they've been relatively irrelevant. You know, they, they have not been the player they should be. Best facilities, incredible budget, great high school football within a three hour radius. And here you go, a trophy case that's empty. I don't understand that. They got a heck of a coach now and I saw his fire on the side. You see him throw that chair. There's a great, the chair, there's a great video.

[Rob Stone]

They got that chair in the A and M Hall of Fame. Right? Like somebody's got to have a spot for that.

[Urban Meyer]

I mean that's, that's the energy. You're on the road at Notre Dame and I, I love that. And to see they walk away with the wind. So there's, you know, all the excuses of places that can't win. Texas A&M has.0, 0.000 why you can't win there. And they haven't a trophy case that's empty. And maybe this coach can, can do it because that was a big win. I love.

[Rob Stone]

Let's go back to Georgia. Let's go back to Georgia real quick. Gunner Stockton, he was a big talking point on big noon kickoff on Saturday. Right. And there were all these amazing stats to back up our, our concern, our worries about Stockton at quarterback for Georgia. Coming into that game he had just 10 pass attempts of 10 yards or more. Right. There was no vertical game, no nothing. I would argue that to this point he provided us the pass and the play of the season on that fourth down and hitting that touchdown and that pass where he dropped it in, in the situation that he was in, I think it's been, I think it's the player of the year so far.

[Mark Ingram]

Fair dropped it into a bucket stone, man. We, we challenged him and said that their passing game had been non existent. Now we also said on the show that Georgia has been known to be vanilla when they needed to be and show it when they needed to show it and they showed it when they needed it most. He had a 45 yard pass, 36 yard pass, 31 yard pass. He bald man. He had no, no interceptions. He did have one fumble that he lost but he was able to get this team in position to win the game. They stayed in it, they stayed at it. They didn't give up. Very characteristic of a Kirby smart coach football team.

[Rob Stone]

He talked vanilla coach. Is that, is that real like to what percent is that whole vanilla through the opening couple weeks? Like I, I, I know James Franklin is being vanilla right now in Happy Valley with that three game preseason schedule he had. Do you go into a season saying hey guys, we're going to vanilla it for a couple weeks here?

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah, I don't really give the players or assistants too much information because I erred there a few times and all of a sudden they start overlooking opponents. But in my own mind, absolutely you're going to save a curveball or that circle change for the team that you know, you and the especially you got a guy like Shiano or you know, Ryan Day, Dan Mullen I had on my staff that's a veteran coach. I'd say listen, we're going to keep this rate. Don't say anything to the players. We're going to keep this little option package or we're going to keep this little package and we are certainly not going to show it but absolutely that happens and but you better be running in practice to get it ready. You don't want to just first time you roll it out is in the against the big dogs.

[Rob Stone]

So we gave Gunner Stockton his flowers. Deservedly so Joey Aguilar, we, we brought it up and what he, what he.

[Urban Meyer]

Did in a long story, man.

[Rob Stone]

Yeah, right. The story is crazy. You know, Appalachian State transfers to ucla. Nico I leaves Tennessee and Nico drops.

[Urban Meyer]

You're forgetting one thing. Before Happy State, he quit football. He was a firefighter for a year.

[Mark Ingram]

Wow.

[Rob Stone]

Think about that part.

[Mark Ingram]

Wow.

[Urban Meyer]

He went to a junior college, went to App State. This is, I looked it up and it was, it's. It's not getting enough publicity. Non recruited junior college, App State, ucla. That UCLA makes the worst trade in the history of trades and Tennessee lands this guy. That must be. I don't know this guy, but he must be a monster. And I was the first guy. Rob, when Nico left, I said dun. Done. It's over in Knoxville. How do you lose a quarterback with that talent? Dun. That was dead wrong. Dead wrong. That kid played his. His ass. I know they lost, but he played his ass off, man.

[Mark Ingram]

He did. It wasn't because of him. He did have two interceptions, but he had him in position to win the game.

[Rob Stone]

Hey, the folks in orange, the folks in orange are feeling good about their quarterback right now, right? They're like, we won that trade. Not, not, not. Won the trade. We won the trade. UCLA in the trade.

[Urban Meyer]

Is that the first trade and worst trade. First and worst first trade in college.

[Mark Ingram]

Football history and possibly the worst trade in college football history. Nico goes to ucla win.

[Rob Stone]

How's that going? How's that going?

[Mark Ingram]

He doesn't have a coach and no wins.

[Rob Stone]

Fired their coach.

[Mark Ingram]

No coach, no wins.

[Urban Meyer]

I said when he left last year that's going to be. And I, it, it actually breaks your heart. The guy's a young player that's as talented. He's going to be one of those moments and I hope it all works out because all that. That's. I understand he's a great kid too. That. Why did I do that?

[Rob Stone]

Let's cautionary tale, right? Cautionary tale.

[Urban Meyer]

Meeting here. At some point now you just got to get improve.

[Mark Ingram]

But we need.

[Urban Meyer]

At some point you're going to say, hey, tell me again now why did I do that? Yeah, who would, who would.

[Mark Ingram]

I don't know who.

[Rob Stone]

Chasing the almighty buck. Chasing the almighty buck. It's going to bite you. It's going to bite you.

[Mark Ingram]

Sometimes it was somebody in the kid's ear, man. I'm not blaming the kid for sure.

[Rob Stone]

So part of that conversation on Sunday, UCLA parted ways with their former star player. Their head coach, Deshawn Foster went 5 and 10. This was his second season you kind of knew that was coming. Um, Virginia Tech as well, Brent Pry, awful home loss to Old Dominion. He went 16 and 24 over four seasons. Last week on the triple option coach, we were talking about these big payouts to these head coaches that maybe that will diminish these mid season firings for head coaches. What, what happened with coach Foster and coach Pry? A little bit different in the sense that the buyouts were more manageable. Right in the 6 million range. Again, if you, if you want big numbers, if you, if the folks in Alabama want rid of Kaylin DeBoer, you also have to get rid of $63 million Billy Napier buyout, you know, in the 19 and change. So this was a different type of movement, but man, week three, I mean obviously it's, it's part of what these ads and the school presidents and the boosters saw through the opening three weeks. But it definitely goes back. But if you're ucla, if you're Virginia Tech, two proud programs, right? Two programs that resonated with at one time in the college football world, it feels like they need a reboot. They need to reassess things. They almost need to go like the Dion route, like the way Colorado rebooted their program, bringing in a guy like, like, like Dion who can immediately infuse things. Listen, if Michael Vick is doing things at his new gig and it's, it's probably not fair to put this pressure on Michael Vick, but to have a Virginia Tech legend like that come back.

[Urban Meyer]

Wow, Stoner, you're going right across the bow.

[Rob Stone]

I'm just saying it's a.

[Urban Meyer]

So Michael, Vic, the Vattek. Is that what we're saying?

[Rob Stone]

I'm not saying that. I'm just saying he will absolutely be on a list. I don't know how deep that list, how high, medium or low he is, but you have to think about is Michael Vick the right type of guy? Maybe he isn't and you move on from him quickly. But va Techman, Enter Sandman playing. Yo. That is one of the best environments in college. Better.

[Mark Ingram]

Virginia Tech was always one of them teams that was up there with a chance to win one of them.

[Rob Stone]

I mean one of them teams for.

[Mark Ingram]

There was always one of them ones.

[Urban Meyer]

Let's go back to the conversation because I want to make sure there's clarity there that the conversation was that the ridiculous buy. You know, when someone said, well, I thought you guys said people aren't going to get fired. That was not what was said at all. It's just the Monstrous buyouts. And this comes from. I actually spoke to two assistant ADs, one last week and one over the weekend and the comment was the same. We have no money. So the things. When you. When you start seeing the. The excess revenue that materialized probably what, 15 years ago in college sports, where did it go? Coaches salaries and. And facilities. I'm wondering if you're going to see the buyouts disappear or they just won't fire guys. And I think the day of the $37 million locker room's over. Mark. I. I don't there. From what I'm hearing, there's no money. Remember that Wolverines came out publicly and I think they said a close to 30. They're going to operate with a $30 million deficit going into this. That was before the fines and everything else, you know. So I, I think it's going to be really interesting to watch what happens this year with the big buyouts and I think just for the future facilities, because the player. The money is going probably rightfully where it should go to the people performing on the field.

[Rob Stone]

It. It's a developing situation as we like to say on the side.

[Mark Ingram]

Develop.

[Rob Stone]

Camera.

[Urban Meyer]

Right.

[Rob Stone]

Developing. Keep an eye on. On the buyouts and the locker rooms and the facilities and the nil deals. Listen, those, those veins, those donors money veins are getting tapped and at some point they're like, I. I cannot extract any more blood. I cannot extract any more dollar bills for you. I am tapped. I am out of money. I want this. I want this handbag. Look at these Louis Vuitton shoes. I am out of money. We do not have that.

[Mark Ingram]

I have. Nathan.

[Rob Stone]

We do not have that.

[Urban Meyer]

Remember Florida? Florida built that brand new facility with a big pool and then Clemson with a big slot. You know, you have all these facilities in the spaceship locker rooms and, and.

[Rob Stone]

Also keeping up with the Joneses, man. It's a dangerous game.

[Urban Meyer]

D U n done.

[Rob Stone]

Done.

[Mark Ingram]

D U n done. Done.

[Rob Stone]

We got to work on coaches spelling over there.

[Mark Ingram]

It hits exactly where it needs to hit home.

[Rob Stone]

Speaking of questionable spelling, how about the deuce? Deuce. D A W, G. Dog of the week.

[Mark Ingram]

Oh no, that's not how you spell. They should just re. Spell the word dog. D, A, R, R, W, G. All right. And I got some dogs for you too, stoner.

[Rob Stone]

There were a lot of dogs running around the kennel this week.

[Mark Ingram]

It's my segment and it ain't no dog this week it's dogs. And I'mma start with A and M with the game winner. Marcel reed went crazy 360 yards passing, two touchdowns, another 37 on the ground. Game winning throw. 13 seconds left in the game. Then another dog. All right. His receiver Mario Craver. Seven catches, 207 yards. Coach two tuddies. Then I'm going to Georgia Tech where the man himself carried the Yellow Jackets to a dub. Haynes King single handedly carried Georgia Tech to a dub. They, they, they coach that need to get him a chiropractor right now cuz his back is hurting. 211 yards passing, 103 yards rushing, two touchdowns. All right.

[Rob Stone]

All right.

[Mark Ingram]

That's three dogs of the week because they all some dogs.

[Rob Stone]

All right. All right. Mark over delivering dogs. Well done.

[Urban Meyer]

Do you lift yet today? Do you train yet?

[Mark Ingram]

Real vascular.

[Rob Stone]

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[Todd McShay]

Brian in the back. I know you, you love these immediate post game sessions, but what are you seeing with your offense?

[Brian Kelly]

Stop.

[Mark Ingram]

Really?

[Brian Kelly]

Is that the first question? We won the game 20 to 10. Try another question. What do you want me to tell you? I just laid it out for you. We played the game to win the game. We played the game to win the game.

[Todd McShay]

All right, how about third down then? What is going on with third down?

[Brian Kelly]

It's one game. Last game we were great on third down. Your micro, you're looking at this from the wrong perspective. LSU won the football game. Won the game. I don't know what you want from me. What do you want? You want us to win 70 to nothing against Florida to keep you happy?

[Todd McShay]

No, I think people want to know why you can't run the ball quite.

[Brian Kelly]

We can run the ball. Did you see the last play of the game?

[Rob Stone]

That's all you need.

[Mark Ingram]

You just need one.

[Brian Kelly]

There's a ridiculous questions and I'm getting tired of it. That football team just worked their tail off to get an SEC win and you want to know what's wrong?

[Mark Ingram]

You know what?

[Brian Kelly]

You're spoiled. You're spoiled. This team is 17 and one at night. 17 and one. Give them some respect.

[Rob Stone]

How about that?

[Brian Kelly]

Give them some respect instead of micro analyzing every little thing. This is ridiculous. For a group of of seasoned reporters, that kind of question is so out of.

[Mark Ingram]

Hey, hey, coach again to him down there in Baton Rouge, ain't it?

[Urban Meyer]

I love it.

[Mark Ingram]

He hear the noise. He hear the noise.

[Urban Meyer]

I love it.

[Mark Ingram]

He hear the noise.

[Rob Stone]

All right, Coach, your immediate reaction to that and you are speaking from the coach's fraternity perspective?

[Urban Meyer]

Oh, yeah. And I mean I kind of snapped a few times, but he's saying what every coach probably wants to say and then everybody's got to listen to context. He'll be much different today in the press conference that was 15 minutes ago. From walking out of locker room where a guy's, you know, he's got a player, a group of players that he spends more time with than his own family that just found a way to go win a big time ball game. And you know, you get peppered right away. So. Yeah, I love it. Was that a bad question? I don't know that. But it's like there's no. Sometimes you look and you're like, are you kidding me? But you just got to take it and I think it's great. And if Anybody, you just got to.

[Mark Ingram]

Let it run off your back like water. Like, when you respond like that, clearly something's getting to you. You're hearing something and it's getting to you. And he just. He just. He just. He couldn't take it no more. He just spazzed on Buddy.

[Rob Stone]

Like, how about this?

[Urban Meyer]

I love it, though. You know what? Once again, for Mark, understand, for his players, man, I think you understand it to a degree, Mark, cuz you or Rob, because you played sports and you just walked out of a locker room, you. I bet six minutes before that conversation, he just sang the fights on with his players, had a good talk, hugged his guys up. Guys are hurting. Guys are probably, you know, guys injured in there, and. And then they start. And you know what? Give them a little grace and have at it. Coach Kelly, I thought it was great. Stick up for him and, and move on. It'll be a much different tone once you decompress after a couple days.

[Rob Stone]

Yeah, I didn't see it as sticking up for his team. I saw it more as I'm coming after you. Um, let me start with a quick quiz here, right? And I'm gonna. I'll throw this at Mark. Mark, Brian Kelly. How many SEC titles has he won in his three years in Baton Rouge? Nathan, that would be nothing. How many playoff appearances does he have down there? Nathan, how much money is he making to. To start spouting off at Republicans? A whole lot. A whole lot.

[Urban Meyer]

I see you, Rob.

[Rob Stone]

Yeah, I know. I get. I got kind of. I got agitated, but I also. Listen, I've never met Coach Kelly. I'm respectful for what he's done. I went back prior to that sound bite, and coach came in and he addressed the media, and this is what he said. And my point being, he came into that media session ready to fight, right? He said, we did whatever it was necessary to win the game. We were trying to win the game. Totally get it. But he's already trying to put people in this perspective of like, hey, I know this wasn't great, but this is why we were doing it again. I respect it. I get it. Playing to our defense. Sorry that doesn't sound appealing to you folks, but I don't really care. And then he opens it up to questions. Okay, all right. So. So clearly, to me, as. As a. As a bystander, he came in with an agenda, right. And he knew, I think also it was coming his way because he's probably a little agitated at his offense as well, right? And he's saying, hey, my Defense was amazing. Got this huge SEC win. Love it. I agree with it. But he knew questions were coming about his offense. Right. By the way, am I supposed to come in with. With brownies and sprinkle cupcakes and just sit there and lod plaudits on you and congratulate. Should we all stand up and applaud? Brian Kelly has come into the room because he won an SEC game over Florida. Our job on the media is to what, ask questions? He knows that. He knows that coming in. And for him to go after and belittle these people. And listen, maybe there's a history with that reporter, Right? And you're right, Coach. There are reporters out there who find those thorns and like to dig in. And. And I get it. But if you're being paid that much money, sit there, take the question, answer it, and move on. I felt he was ducking the question. Right. I felt like Coach Kelly, if he had his way at that moment, it would have been an index card of, hey, everybody, I'm handing out cards. These are questions you can ask. Hey, hey.

[Mark Ingram]

The reporter. Funny, though.

[Todd McShay]

He said, I think we just want.

[Mark Ingram]

To know why you can't run the football.

[Todd McShay]

So.

[Rob Stone]

So that takes me to another part.

[Urban Meyer]

So. So here. Here's another context. Another context, because I would.

[Rob Stone]

I'm loving this, by the way.

[Urban Meyer]

My intro was always this. Hey, guys, thanks for coming. I'll take some questions there. That was. Including. Including Big Ten media day. Some guys go up there for an hour and a half and start babbling.

[Rob Stone]

Yeah.

[Urban Meyer]

I would say I'll take a couple of questions, and I'm kind of. I would always count backwards by 10 if I saw some clown out there that I knew was trying to stir something up. But. But, yeah, I mean, we're making a big deal out of something. The guy. Once again, I. I guess I'm always.

[Mark Ingram]

It's Monday. It's overreaction Monday.

[Rob Stone]

Coach, this is what we do, man. This is what we do.

[Mark Ingram]

Hey, but what's funny is what you said, Stone.

[Urban Meyer]

He said, we in the media, he marked his ground.

[Rob Stone]

He peed around that podium.

[Mark Ingram]

He marked his ground. And then. Then it made everybody else mark their ground.

[Rob Stone]

Yeah.

[Mark Ingram]

You know what I mean?

[Todd McShay]

So.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah. You want to know. Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

You want to know what you didn't.

[Mark Ingram]

Do on third down? But we want to know why you can't run the football.

[Rob Stone]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Did you see the last play?

[Mark Ingram]

That's all you need.

[Rob Stone]

It's. It's amazing to me, the. The dynamics. And again, Coach, you're at the Podium. Mark, you're at the podium. I, I've been the guy who's been on the other side of the podium staring, staring at, at people that you really respect and have a lot of power. And I've been in those, those rooms where, you know, you need to get to these questions. You need to ask about the offense, you need to ask about the running game. Right? You have to get there, but you don't. You want to read the room and you don't want to start with it, Right? Right. So I guarantee you that that collection of human beings in there, whether that was student reporters, you know, local affiliates, whoever it was, was waiting for somebody to ask the first question because everybody else was hands on my seat, like, I'm not going there. I'm not doing it. I'm going to get them. I'm going to, I'm going to ask that in maybe two or three. But you want to read the room, right? So maybe you could, you could take one for the team, which is what I would do sometimes. Like, let me just throw up a little softball. Let me, Let me make sure coach is good here, right? Let's do this. Now we can start hitting things. I remember when I was in Tampa Bay, I was a young buck reporter, guys, and I knew there were dudes in the locker room I could go to win or lose to get great sound bites and get proper intelligent conversation. There were other dudes that legitimately scared me, but I knew I had to go talk to them. Warren Sapp was a dude who legitimately scared me. You're laughing already because you know, Mark. And there would be this collection of humans that were like me surrounding a changing Warren SAP, like an awful situation, right? The poor guy is out of the shower. He's in a surly mood. He's got probably a little packet in his. Between his cheek and gums, right? And he's in no mood to talk to anybody. And I get it, but it's my job to talk to Warren Sapp because he's a big star and he was a big part of this game. And all of us would be assembled around Warren Sapp and no one would say a thing. And I would look at these people and I'm like, you people are chicken shit.

[Urban Meyer]

You are.

[Rob Stone]

You are scared. I'm scared. I am.

[Urban Meyer]

Rob's all over this one, man.

[Rob Stone]

I am. I was petrified to talk to him, but I'm like, this is my job. This is what I, I have elected to do as, as a, as a profession. And I Want to move up the food chain. So I'm going to take that bullet and I'm going to put that microphone out and I'm going to ask Warren Sapp about that third downplay or whatever it was, and why so scared?

[Mark Ingram]

It's not like he's going to turn around and whip your ass.

[Rob Stone]

Oh, man. You feel like his responses, listen, you're up here, you're like Mr. Sapphire, you know, or whatever it is. And you know he's coming with heat, right? Like he is bringing the heat at you. He is. He is in attack mode. But you, you gotta do it. You gotta take it for the team. So it's a really interesting dance. I think, Coach. I think you see things differently now that you've been on our side a little bit. But it's tough. You want to be respectful for everybody and you want to ask appropriate questions and do your job. But sometimes it's tough, sometimes it's ugly.

[Mark Ingram]

Everybody wants the inside scoop on what it's like to be a football player and be a football team. Well, when you get it, then you get offended because it's a high energy, high emotional gig. And it's not for everybody.

[Rob Stone]

No, it's not. Hey, guess what? The other side is pretty high energy, high stress as well. And it's not for everybody. All right, that was our fresh take of the week, presented by Wendy's breakup with Wendy's breakfast. Coming up next, we're going to talk the NFL Draft with our great friend Todd McShay from the Ringer. Then later, we go three and out and make our four picks. There are three ranked games this week. The head coach of one of those teams just texted me this morning. I'm going to tell you what he said. Coming up.

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[Mark Ingram]

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[Urban Meyer]

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[Todd McShay]

I saw.

[Rob Stone]

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[Mark Ingram]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

So it's kind of a tough week to be flaunting the spider helmet after, after the the fighting Belichicks put it on us. But. But yeah, I'm proud. Proud.

[Mark Ingram]

The spider looks kind of hard on the helmet, though.

[Todd McShay]

It's pretty good, right, little Raphael?

[Urban Meyer]

All right, brother McShay, let's go here. So I got your quarterbacks top five yet. Nussmeier, sellers Club, Nick Mendoza and Matier. And there's some up and downs There. I'm going to ask you to do your stock up, stock down but I'm also going to throw a couple names in there. What in the world is going on with Arch? I was reading today, I haven't watched. I'm going to watch them today. You got Arch, you got. My gosh, Nico, I thought last year was as talented a quarterback as I've seen. And then you know, Nuss is winning games but he's not putting up the numbers. So give us a little stock up, stock down on your quarterbacks.

[Todd McShay]

You know, Urban coming into the year. Remember last year like the quarterback class was not great coming off of that 2024 group where we had a record setting six quarterbacks drafted in the first 12 picks. Bo Nix being the the six one. And then last year we had, you know, it was the Cam Ward Shador debate. We all saw how that played out in the end with Jackson Dart being the second quarterback taken and Shador falls to the fifth round this year. Talking to scouts around the league and putting together the preseason list and, and watching tape, I was like oh look we, we get a chance to have a special group, right? Because like those names, right? Arch, Arch was never going to be in the 2026 class. I, I mean talking to people who are like close to that situation. The only if he came out and had a brilliant year and if the bubble in Austin became just too small and maybe he would have considered it. But this, the plan was always 2027, right? And that's same plan for Eli and for Peyton before him. So I think we all now after three weeks can kind of move on from that discussion and hopefully he can turn things around and he'll be in contention to be the number one pick in 2027. But we've seen some of these really talented quarterbacks coach like they're not playing to the level now. We've had Carson Beck play really well at Miami. Mendoza hasn't played anyone for Indiana. But so far that looks really, really good in that offensive system we've seen Sawyer Robertson from Baylor has been been firing. He's a really talented player who I think has been under the radar for a while. Aiden Chiles at Michigan State, nobody really knows about this guy. Super talented, right? And John Matier. John Matier is a blast to watch. It's going to be fun to see kind of what NFL teams are thinking about him. But if he continues to play at this level and can cut out a couple of the mistakes, he's got a chance to kind of Continue to push up the, up the rankings. But Arch hasn't played well. We can get to that in a second Club Nick has struggled at Clemson. Right. You talked about Nussmeier. They're doing.

[Urban Meyer]

What's your thoughts on us? What's your thoughts?

[Todd McShay]

I love nuss. Yeah, I like, I'm, I'm bullish on Nuss because I, I think mentally he understands the game is like you might have to go back to Andrew Luck to see some of the pre snap stuff and, and the motions and, and setting protections and kind of working that angle. I, I think you know, the suddenness in the pocket, the accuracy, the throwing with anticipation, everything that you look for when evaluating a quarterback, he has but he's not the, the level of mobility that we've come to see with a lot of top guys. You know he does move around well but it's not Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, you know, Jalen hurts. He's not one of those next like great. I don't even like using dual threat quarterback but, but mobile, dangerous weapons with his, with his legs. So I think there's a physical traits ceiling to him that you would like, you'd like it to be a little bit higher. But I, I just trust him and I, and I hope the season continues to get better and they, they kind of figure some things out offensively. They got four new starting offensive linemen, some new faces in terms of his weapons but hopefully he continues to, to improve as the season progress. I thought he actually played really well against Clemson. Didn't think it was the case against Florida. Clubnik has not played to the level. I was hoping he was going to take another step.

[Urban Meyer]

And what do you, what are you seeing? What's, what's missing with club now that's an enigma. What, what the heck's going on there?

[Todd McShay]

He's not playing loose. I see a quarterback who comes into games and is like a little too amped up. Pressure. The pressure has been on him both tangible, right. Like pass rush pressure and it just, I don't know. You've watched Clemson now two bigger games. Do they look like a team that's playing free, loose, easy, like go out there and do our thing. Like I was saying the other day, it looks like they're like pushing a crater uphill every drive. It's like the pressure of the world is on them and the offensive line's not playing to the level. They've had an injury. They've kind of been, you know, seven guys kind of playing in and out. They're they're running back. Randall's really talented as a runner, can't pass protect. And so they're working through some stuff and then they lose their number one target in the first quarter. That game against LSU and Antonio Williams and it just, it seems like club Nick has not gotten into his rhythm and he's not like. Think back to that Pittsburgh game, right last year, right where he takes off and runs. He has the game winning touchdown. But throughout that game, like he was carrying. Right now it feels like he's playing tense and arch. Watching his tape. And I'll be interested to see what you have to say about him after you go back and really study it. When he actually gets his feet set and throws the ball and delivers, he's been really good. But that's like one out of every three or four attempts that he's doing that. I just think he's gotten so used to like, you know, his, his, his body's parallel to the line of scrimmage and just kind of like flicking and on the run. He's for a guy who's in the Manning family and has had all the coaching that he's had and has brought in like college coordinators to coach him in high school and been around Eli and Peyton. I'm surprised that his footwork. You know what? You always hear that marrying your eyes to your feet and that's all about like, are you going through progressions, let's say left to right. Your feet better come with you or else when you're ready to pull the trigger. If you're, if you're like this instead of like this.

[Urban Meyer]

Let me ask you, let's hold that thought because this is really intriguing. I has Patrick Mahomes hurt that because he is such a arm slot, you know, throw off balance. And when I was a young quarterback coach and young head coach, you would never let your guy do that. It was always, it was very disciplined. Your eyes are married to your feet.

[Todd McShay]

Everything up coach like he did.

[Urban Meyer]

But, but every quarterback now is trying to be Mahomes.

[Todd McShay]

I know.

[Urban Meyer]

I mean it's, it's, it's everywhere from.

[Todd McShay]

Dominic Raiola to everybody else.

[Urban Meyer]

You said it, not me. Mahomes screwed it up. Is that what you said?

[Todd McShay]

He messed it all up. Because I remember watching Mahomes being like this, this ain't gonna work, you know, like you can't have this horrible footwork. And I was so obsessed, like you were as a young coach with like ball carriage, feet underneath you, feet married to your eyes. Balance, balance, strong base to throw, you know, hip rotation, all that stuff. And then Mahomes comes in and I got caught too caught up in the process of the delivery and not in the result. And I know Nick Saban and coaches like you and everyone, it's all about the process. Well, he was like. He was this rare cat where the result. You better watch the result because the process, like, is. Is different in John Matier is the same way. You guys. I don't know if you're into golf at all. Scotty Scheffler is the perfect example for anyone who's into golf.

[Rob Stone]

He.

[Todd McShay]

I remember early in his career, he was. His footwork is a mess different than everyone else's. And when he wasn't the number one player in the world, it was like, yeah, if he could just get his feet right and he's, you know, that front foot opens and he's kind of up. But the result is so perfect. But if you. If everybody else tried to swing like Scheffler, it probably would be a disaster. Right? And so Mattier is. Is a lot more like Mahomes and. And he's got these fullback legs. He generates torque. And he's happier. He's in his happy place when, like, he's off, even when he has all the pocket around him and the play is perfectly lined up and his first reads there. He doesn't like throwing on balance and all the things that you used to coach and all, like good quarterback coaches teach. And so they're, you know, they're exceptions to the rule. But I think your point is exactly right. I think too many young quarterbacks think they can be the exception to the rule when really, like, the. The rule works for the vast majority.

[Mark Ingram]

Just like Steph Curry did in the NBA, you know? Yeah. Everyone wants to shoot these threes.

[Todd McShay]

Yes.

[Urban Meyer]

That was great.

[Mark Ingram]

I'm gonna call it Shade Day. Shade Day. I love when we got you on, man. Shade Day. But no, we. Earlier we talked about the. The Nico for Joey Aguilar trade. Is it the first trade in college football history? Is it the worst trade in college football history? That. We've been discussing it, but we've seen how the results played on the field. How do you see that NFL teams are approaching these guys who are transferring to chase money or at different, different schools. Three, four different schools. How do you feel like the NFL's look viewing these guys, they're kind of over it, right?

[Todd McShay]

Like, I think at first it was a thing, but now that it's just. It's become the norm in College football, you've got to kind of sift through it. There are, there are individuals that are chasing the money and there, and there are players that have tags on them and a lot of it comes from the family pressure and you know, what's in their life and kind of the supporting cast and you're always. As a scout. I spend more time now talking to scouts about players character, their upbringing, who's. Who's in their life, the guys, the folks that they're hanging around with. Is it a girlfriend who's a cancer, is it, is it a parent that that is, is sucking off the teat if you will. You know, like I spend more time talking to scouts about that than I do like he's great in and out of his breaks, right? Did you see the hand placement or like the way you get that started.

[Urban Meyer]

To me about 10 years ago, 100. I mean it was crazy how every conversation I would have as a head coach was that and I was like, you know, character. You're going to ask about the in and out of cut like you said and it's all the other stuff.

[Mark Ingram]

It's amazing to pay somebody millions, you got to make sure they're the right person.

[Todd McShay]

I think it's access now, right? Like we live in a different world with, with access, whether it's tape. There used to be like we like some grizzly 30 year scout would be on the road and he'd like, we called it like you know, finding a diamond in the rough or and like he would get a couple more tapes of this player from like a directional school, right? And all of a sudden you draft a player that no one heard their name in the fifth round. It just doesn't happen anymore. I like literally the games are over three hours later. I can access any single player, not only the game for that offense or defense and the coach copy cut up on this exos catapult system with the PFF Ultimate. But I also can just do go and look at the 12 or 16 or 22 key plays from that game or I can look at like routes run from 10 to 20 yards. Like so the access and then the access of analytics and all the other information that's out there. There's no like unearthing of players now and, and everyone knows the same thing about their football, like their tape, what they put on tape. What's different is now like all right it's easier to stack a board talent wise, but figuring out who the guys that, that absolutely love ball Schottenheimer once Marty Schottenheimer, I worked with him for one year at espn. He had the best line that I'll never forget. The hardest part of evaluating a player, getting ready for the draft, Todd, is you better figure out because it's, it's one of the hardest things that I like, I, that we as evaluators have. What is this human being going to do with more money, more fame and more free time than he's ever had before?

[Mark Ingram]

Right?

[Todd McShay]

So I think that's, that's why we are where we are with, with scouting in the NFL.

[Mark Ingram]

Like we've seen, we've seen like, you know, J. Jay and Daniels. He, you know, had his kind of transfer, you know, it kind of worked out well, even with Cam Ward. I'm wondering like, it must be like the character as Oppo, because I'm like, with the Nico thing and all these different players, like even in the draft, you see sometimes there's three different, four different highlights from a team. Like, how are these. I'm just, I'm just interested to see Mark.

[Todd McShay]

I, I, I think, I think here's the question you have to ask yourself. It's the why.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

You know what I mean? Why did he transfer? Is he cha, is he chasing the money? Did he not want to compete? Those are the two, two things. Is this a guy that's just, he's, he's a mercenary, you know, is he chasing the money?

[Mark Ingram]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

Does he not have a commitment to team and, and, and being a part and, and, and was he faced with a, a difficult training camp, a fall camp battle that he just didn't want to be involved in and he found it's the easier route to go somewhere else? Or is he an Aguilar? Right. Who was doing that hour and a half commute from, from home to, to up in San Francisco to community college and being there from leaving at 4:30 in the morning, coming back at 10 at night, like just to get a chance to be, to have an opportunity. And now he gets this awesome opportunity to ucla. It's ripped from him. And Tennessee's like, why don't you come here? And so like that. Those kind of stories are bonuses, Right. Whereas the Nico thing is just the opposite.

[Mark Ingram]

Right, right, right. Thank you for sharing that.

[Rob Stone]

Appreciate it, Todd. Coming up, coach is going to talk about the stable of quarterbacks in the Big Ten and how deep and loaded it is this year. I agree. I would also argue that the Big 12 is sneaky good at the quarterback spot. Who are some of the big names from the Big 12? That jump out at you.

[Todd McShay]

I'm an. I'm just. I'm a big backer of Sawyer Robertson from Baylor and I know they lost their first game. That's a good Auburn team. Not saying it's great, but that's a good Auburn football team and they can't play defense. But offensively, you just look at. He's 6, 4, 2, 20, moves around well, throws off platform well. He's not perfect, but there's a lot to work with there. And the way he's slinging the ball and keeping his team in games, coming from behind, the amount of hits he's taken. That Auburn game and then most recently a couple weeks ago, like he. He's finding ways to keep his team competitive even though everything seems to be working against him. I love guys like that, you know. Avery Johnson hasn't quite played to the level. Sam Levitt super talented, kind of got a little bit more on track this past week. Jordan Tyson is wide receiver, had a monster game. I'm interested to see the improvement as the season progresses. But. But saw some kind of flaws in the ointment early on. Rocco Beck has played. Has played well. You know, I think he's got talent. He continues to progress, cutting down on some of the mistakes. So I'm sure I'm missing some but Hoover.

[Rob Stone]

Hoover at TC Hoover.

[Todd McShay]

How fun is he to watch Hoover.

[Rob Stone]

I saw him live Saturday. That dude can. That dude can play. Now he may not have the height that a lot of people want. I think that might scare people off, but that dude is accurate and gets it.

[Todd McShay]

He rips it.

[Urban Meyer]

Hey, back to this quarterback.

[Rob Stone]

You're blowing off Hoover. Hold on, Coach.

[Urban Meyer]

No, no, I want to get. Give the frogs the expert here. So I was talking to Matt Leiner and Brady Quinn. You watch. And I was watching the Bryce Underwood, who by the way, I know I'm a Buckeye and I'm getting killed because I think this. He might be the most talented quarterback I've seen in a while, but he's something, man. You notice all the quarterbacks delivery because of the whole. That they teach the. It's a completely different mindset. When you look at Brady Quinn, Matt Leinert, the quarterbacks I've coached, it was always you're trying to get over the top.

[Todd McShay]

Tom Brady all the way up.

[Urban Meyer]

Everyone here is. They're here now and it's an amazing.

[Todd McShay]

My son's out throwing and I'm. And it's driving me nuts. I'm like. But you get your elbow up and then I Bring him to see like a really good quarterback Coach. He's. He's 10, by the way, so. And I, and I love you, Tate, but you're my son. So like there, there, there is a ceiling on this whole thing. But, but like working with. And they, they don't care about it. It's. It's all about hip rotation and like ball out and torque.

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

And it, and it works. And guys are slinging. I went to that Manning passing academy. Urban.

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

And I'm. I'm just pulling in for. It's the first time I'd ever been pulling in. And you've got like hundreds. I think there are 1200 quarterbacks there from like seventh grade on up. And so like Nussmeier and Sellers and Club Nick and all those guys are the counselors. And, and during the day they kept throwing things. At night it's like Friday Night Lights if you've never been. You gotta, you gotta check it out. It's like the purest thing still left in this game. Right.

[Rob Stone]

Wow.

[Todd McShay]

But watching all these quarterbacks and I walk in the stadium and there's like 1200 of these robots.

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

That all are. They've got those. The medicine balls. And they're all doing this with the shoulders and then they get Ball. Yep. And then they get the ball out. And they're all the same mechanics. But the ball is like. You can hear it from like seventh, eighth graders. Like, the quarterback position is, is such, it's. It's such a higher level than it was. And I'm talking like globally than it ever has been before. It's. It's fascinating to watch the Todd McShay.

[Rob Stone]

Show on YouTube, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts, you can find them all the time. Todd, as always, thanks for joining. Will have you monthly. Monthly throughout the season. We love it more. We love it more. Todd, thank you.

[Todd McShay]

Thanks, guys.

[Urban Meyer]

Appreciate it. Todd.

[Rob Stone]

Welcome back to the triple option presented by Wendy's Rob. Mark Urban back here with you. Time to go three and out. This week we're going to pick three quarterbacks that we feel have played the best, but we got it. Got some different categories. And by the way, can we go back to the beginning of the season here, guys? And the quarterbacks that we were talking about, like Heisman's, you know, Arch and Nussm and Cade Clubnik, Nico Nico Sellers. Like we had, we had this plethora of what we thought and the viewers out there thought were top tier quarterbacks and so many of them have not hit the mark yet again, we've only played three weeks. Let's start with coach. And the Big Ten, by the way, absolutely loaded at the QB spot.

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah. Historically, that's not been the case. I remember I first got to the Big Ten, we felt like if we stopped the run, we'd win. There were not enough good quarterbacks and receivers in the Big Ten to compete. And that was true. It's a completely different animal now. And I think Ohio State's kind of led the charge in the last six, seven years with first rounders at quarterback, first rounders at receiver, but everyone else is following suit. And so Jerry DiNardo and I and Big Ten Network, we actually went through the Big Ten quarterbacks. Mark. They're all over the place. And I'm going to. I got three guys that I think are. You know what, it's amazing. When I complimented Bryce Underwood, Mark, my phone blew up. People say, what the hell's wrong with you? You're complimenting a Wolverine. I said, I used to compliment him all the time. You don't have to like them, but you better show respect. And I'm telling you, that guy, talent for talent. He might be as good as I've seen in a while. He can run. And you know what? They added in something in this. I think it was the second quarter. 12 minutes left in the second quarter. A Q run. Yeah. And the whole world just took notice because you start adding that into that offense, he's going to be a tough one. So Bryce Underwood, I know he's started slow against Oklahoma, but he's going to.

[Rob Stone]

See your top quarterback in the Big Ten. Bryce.

[Urban Meyer]

No, no, no, no. I'm giving you three names.

[Rob Stone]

Okay, hold on.

[Urban Meyer]

Dante Moore is the best quarterback right now in the Big.

[Rob Stone]

Oh, really?

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah. He's playing tremendous. 78%, seven touchdowns, one pick. Another guy, Demond Williams. Six 69 completion rate, two touchdowns. And I'm giving Julian saying on honorable mention. I. You can't. When you. When you're beating teams you should beat by 40 points. I. You know, I don't. That doesn't mean. And then in the first game against Texas, he did what he was supposed to do. He's got eight touchdowns, three picks and 80% completion rate. But I'm a. I know. I'm just pumping this Big Ten up. Aiden Chiles.

[Rob Stone]

Yes.

[Urban Meyer]

At Michigan State. Where do we see. I don't know if you guys seen him yet.

[Rob Stone]

I have.

[Urban Meyer]

He's a dude. He's a dude.

[Rob Stone]

He's a dude. Dude.

[Urban Meyer]

We have Jaden Mayava at usc. And then the one guy we're not even talking about, which we're going to be too bit determined, is Drew Raller. So the, the Big Ten's loaded.

[Rob Stone]

By the way, you didn't mention Nico.

[Urban Meyer]

I had him down here, but yeah, he's down there.

[Rob Stone]

That's the point. He's down there still.

[Urban Meyer]

Talent, man.

[Mark Ingram]

Man.

[Rob Stone]

Yes. I, I hope, I hope he rebounds and I hope he can figure things out in Westwood. All right, so those are the, the top 10 quarterbacks in the Big Ten. Mark your take. Are you just going like the best three dudes at quarterback we've seen this season?

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah, I'm gonna just go, you know, three guys who I've been impressed with. You know, the three guys who have impressed me the most so far this season, I'm gonna go number one. Carson Beck. Last year, Georgia, everyone was against him, kind of had the injury, kind of, you know what I mean? And we didn't know what we would see from Carson Beck. And he's been straight balling this year for the Hurricanes. 812 yards, seven touchdowns, 79.3 completion percentage, 82% versus USF last week.

[Rob Stone]

Stoner, that's a big number.

[Mark Ingram]

He's, he's had a veteran presence for this Hurricanes team. He's playing efficient, winning football and he is just brought his best down to South Florida.

[Rob Stone]

So I gotta admit, I wasn't a believer in Beck coming into the season. There was just something about him that I didn't fully trust. But a really impressive win Saturday and it's, you know, that completion percentage mark, it's not like he's only thrown it 12 times a game. Right, Right. I mean, they're throwing it and they get some pretty decent talent too.

[Mark Ingram]

Exactly. And he'll have they. This is just early in the season. So who have time to continue to prove us right or wrong, you know what I mean? So Carson Beck, that's the first guy I'm going with who has impressed me this so far this season. Number two, Boomer Sooner.

[Rob Stone]

Sooner.

[Mark Ingram]

Say his name. John Matier, the dual threat quarterback. 944 yards, five touchdowns in the air, four touchdowns rushing. He has thrown three interceptions, but he is playing winning football for Oklahoma. The Sooners are a tough out for anybody right now with Brett Venables and John Mateer and his dual threat ability, their passing attack. John Matiere is the second quarterback who has impressed me so far this year, by the way.

[Rob Stone]

They start getting some more of those wins in SEC play when that fires up Mark Heisman. Heisman conversation going to keep going, keep growing for material.

[Mark Ingram]

Keep growing. And then the third guy who might surprise some people or it might not, Marcel Reed.

[Rob Stone]

Yeah, let's go.

[Mark Ingram]

Marcel Reed. Let me just tell you, this guy has 869 yards, nine touchdowns, one interception on a year. Add that 142 yards rushing and a rush touchdown. So he's over a thousand yards and ten total touchdowns in just three games. And what did he do last week against Notre Dame? Gave them. He dropped them down to 02. He had 360 yards against the Notre Dame defense we all respect. Two touchdowns and he had the game winning touchdown pass with 13 seconds left in the game. Those are the three guys who have impressed me the most this season. And hey, still we still early but had to show them three dudes some love for sure.

[Urban Meyer]

How about that play against Notre Dame at Notre Dame, the back shoulder to the wheel route. Unbelievable.

[Mark Ingram]

The man's balling. Yep, the man balling. Last year we knew him as only a guy who kind of had, you know, athletic ability and can run. But this year he's showing that arm off. He's showing that arm off. Get it A and M, get it.

[Rob Stone]

Loose in the bullpen. Is this how you would warm up your arm, you think? Coach, did you ever warm up your arm like this when you're playing minor league ball?

[Urban Meyer]

Of course.

[Rob Stone]

That sucker around, can you not throw? Oh, you did that. Yeah. We didn't have the Tom House bands. Some band crap. Tired of all those bands. All right, I'm going to. I'm going to talk about three quarterbacks that folks aren't giving enough attention to. And coach, you rightfully said the Big Ten really loaded a quarterback. Guess what? So is the Big 12. All right. Number one. A guy that we are going to see in person Saturday in Salt Lake City. Baron Morton at Texas Tech. He has the most passing touchdowns of any active quarterback. 60 after he put in four more on Saturday in the big home win over Oregon State. He's almost already at a thousand yards passing this season. He will get there Saturday assuming he stays healthy at Utah. Has 11 touchdowns this season. He's already at 11. He's already double digits, one interception. His completion percentage, and again, this is a program that throws the rock a ton. Is at 70%. He's averaging over 11 yards of completion. Really looking forward to seeing what Morton is like live in a real setting Saturday at Utah. Number two. I'm going to stay in the QB rich. Big 12, you know where I'm going. Don't you guys?

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah.

[Rob Stone]

When I put this up, you know where I'm going? I'm going to the fort. TCU's Josh Hoover mark guess his completion percentage through two games. Only two games.

[Mark Ingram]

90%.

[Rob Stone]

Wow. Okay. No temper the expectation. I thought 76 was really good and you bark out a 90. You're killing me. 76% again. That's against North Carolina.

[Mark Ingram]

You said guess. I thought it was going to be extremely high.

[Rob Stone]

I thought it was high. 76. And then against Abilene Christian on Saturday and they already had a bye week as well. Of course, SMU coming to the Fort this Saturday. That's going to be a great game. Six touchdowns. Had two in that week. One game at Carolina, four more Saturday night at home. There was a reason that a ton of programs, including a Tennessee came after him in the off season, but he elected to stay in the Fort. Josh Hoover, please, please remember that name. And then is anybody given Arkansas's Taylor Green credit? Last year threw for over 3,100 yards, 15 touchdowns, but nine interceptions. This year he is upped his completion percentage rate already. I know it's early, from 60 to 69% and he's already thrown for 11 touchdowns. Just two picks. Taylor Green, watch out for him, man. He's going to be causing problems in the SEC. Time now for the two minute drill. It's brought to you by FanDuel. Visit FanDuel.com triple option to download the app and take advantage of a 50% profit boost today. Let's start in the Big Ten 2, 3 and O programs. Number 9, Illinois at number 19, Indiana. Hoosiers favored by 4 and a half over under 52 and a half. Both these programs right now have top 10 offenses and defenses. The Illini, remember, returned a ton of starters. They've got a three headed rushing attack that head coach Brett Bielema talked about us in the off season here on the triple option. The problem though has been protecting the quarterback. They returned the entire offensive line, right? You think things would be settled and safe in champagne. Luke Altmire has been sacked nine times already. That is fifth most in the ncaa. The Hoosiers, you know how they tuned up for this one on Saturday, guys.

[Mark Ingram]

How to do that, how they do that?

[Rob Stone]

They had Indiana State in town. How do you think that one went? Mark, you can throw a high number at this time. 73, 73 0.

[Mark Ingram]

I was going to say 80.

[Rob Stone]

80 again. I can't please you. Mark Ingram, redshirt junior quarterback Fernando Mendoza, the Cal transfer in that game, 19 for 2275 touchdowns. Through the air, the Hoosiers again. I'm kind of looking at this through the lens of what's still to come, right? They have road trips to Oregon, they have road trips to Penn State.

[Mark Ingram]

Wow.

[Rob Stone]

Let's just, let's just say those are losses, right? And those would be assuming it's kind of close, good losses. If they can couple those good losses with a early top 10. Again, Illinois in the top 10, a good top 10 win there very much is a path back to the playoffs for the Hoosiers. This is going to be one of the biggest games in Bloomington in recent years. I, however, like the Illini to cover. And by the way, the Illini the following week host USC next week. I believe, I believe in you, Coach Bielema. I believe in Illinois this week. All right, Coach, where we're going. Salt Lake City, number 17, Texas Tech at number 16, Utah. The Utes home favored by three over under 56 and a half.

[Urban Meyer]

I'll tell you what, I'm. I'm going to try to be non biased. I can't do that. I'm also not working, man. No, it's not, it's not going to work. This is all Salt Lake. You guys get to experience a place. I spent two years. I was talking to the AD, assistant AD, you know, Mark. They averaged about 12,000 people per game in 2002. In 2003, a young coach came in there from Bowling Green and our staff, Dan Mullen and everybody, and kept a guy named Kyle Whittingham as a defense coordinator. We were picked to finish last in the Mountain West Conference and I think we went 24, 2, 55,000 people per game. You're going to see the best student body, the Muss. So I can't wait for everybody to experience that. But Devin Dampiera, the quarterback, came. How about the package deal? He came with Jason Beck, the offense coordinator from New Mexico. This quarterback, I've watched him. He didn't play great against Wyoming, but he did against gcla. This guy's a freak. He's Kyler Murrish. Not real big, runs all over the field athlete. I'm going to pick Utah to have a big home field advantage. Win on Big Noon and Utah covers the spread and wins a game.

[Rob Stone]

The AD at Texas Tech, my name dropping. I don't know why I was saying head coach, but the ad, Kirby Hocut texted me this morning. I don't know how he got my number, but I'm cool with it. He says Rob Kirby Hocut Texas Tech. We look forward to this weekend. Going to be an exciting game. Let us know if you want any tortillas to throw on the set. I go, I go, hell yeah, we want tortillas. We don't find people on our show, it's like, all right, they'll be waiting for you all. So Mark, get ready to. Get ready to make those tortillas. Tortillas at my face from three and a half feet away. Rushing me last year.

[Urban Meyer]

Man, what a spot. Have you been to Salt Lake, Rob?

[Rob Stone]

I have, I have.

[Urban Meyer]

Mark, have you been there?

[Mark Ingram]

No, sir.

[Rob Stone]

It's gorgeous. So.

[Urban Meyer]

So Salt Lake, when I got hired the year before the Olympics, were there redid everything. The brand new stadium, brand new dorms, brand new. I mean, it's, it's spectacular.

[Mark Ingram]

I've been to Salt Lake, but I haven't been to Utah's campus yet. So I'm looking forward to that.

[Urban Meyer]

Spectacular.

[Rob Stone]

It is, it is nice. Host of the opening ceremonies for the Winter Olympics. Coach. I'm sorry, not coach, Mark. We're talking about John Matiere, right? Like he starts getting some of these big SEC wins, we're going to be talking more and more about him in The Heisman race. Number 11, Oklahoma and Mater. At 3. 0, they host number 22, Auburn. The Barners are unbeaten as well.

[Mark Ingram]

This Saturday played nobody.

[Rob Stone]

The Sooners are favored by four and a half. The over under feels a little low, 47 and a half.

[Mark Ingram]

It's not low, Stoner, because these two teams are playing some defense.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah.

[Rob Stone]

So let's start with John Matier's on the field, man.

[Mark Ingram]

John Matier is on the field. We know about his dual threat ability, his big game pose, his yardage output. The man is straight ballin and he's gonna need it because they have the downfield explosive passing attack. But Auburn, their front seven, they get pressure on the quarterback. They, they have like at least six players with one sack and they've been balling. So he's gonna be able to use his legs to mitigate that disruptive front seven that Auburn has. But Oklahoma, they have defensive playmakers as well. Kip Lewis, he's one of their anchors of the defense, man, quick to the ball, high tackle count, home field advantage in Norman. We know how that is. Then let's talk Barners. You know, I don't like to talk Barners, but we'll talk Barners. They have Jackson Arnold, the former Oklahoma quarterback, coming back to Norman. So you know he's going to want to show his butt.

[Rob Stone]

Started 10 games for the Sooners at this time in Norman over two seasons.

[Mark Ingram]

He has. He has some great wide receivers. Cam Coleman, 6, 3 5, star freshman last year. He is a matchup Nightmare. Eric Singleton Jr. Speed on the outside. They have all the returning starters on the offensive line. They run the football. So they are balanced on offense going against a great Oklahoma defense under Brett Venables and. But like I said, their front seven is Auburn's front seven is tough, man. So it's going to provide a challenge for Oklahoma. But you know I'll never go Auburn. You know I'll never root Auburn. So in this game I was a -4 and a half. Is that what you said?

[Rob Stone]

-4 and a half and a half.

[Mark Ingram]

So I'd either buy.

[Rob Stone]

You're not going to say Auburn's going to cover, are you?

[Mark Ingram]

I would never say they're going to cover.

[Rob Stone]

Okay.

[Mark Ingram]

I'll never say Auburn's going to cover. But a confident bet is Oklahoma outright. But if you want upside, go ahead and bet to minus four and a half because I do see Oklahoma and John Mateer winning by at least a touchdown. So if you want a confident bet, 100% guaranteed bet, go money line Oklahoma. If you want the upside, you want to take the money, go ahead and bet the spread, minus four and a half. I got the John Matiere and the Fighting Sooners covering this at least by a touchdown.

[Rob Stone]

I like, I like when you guys make your picks with your heart. It's no way to go through. You gotta be careful doing those hard picks, man. You gotta be careful doing those hard picks.

[Mark Ingram]

I ain't gonna lie. The last three picks, money picks. I didn't put. Put my money on it too. So we won and we lost, but we gonna keep on keeping on. We're gonna win this week.

[Rob Stone]

Hey, by the way, you got some money for Alabama Nil that you just earned this week, right, Big Cat? We got money.

[Urban Meyer]

So did you take the point.

[Rob Stone]

Did you.

[Urban Meyer]

Did you take the. Did you get points?

[Mark Ingram]

I gave him 21 points and we won by 24. They had the ball at the end of the game, going to drive and they ran out of time, coach. So guess who wins? Your boy Roll Tide Nation.

[Rob Stone]

We got.

[Mark Ingram]

Got some nil money coming from Big Cat.

[Rob Stone]

Roll down.

[Urban Meyer]

Is that. Is that Ingram? Is that the Ingram 5 nil or is it actually Alabama nil?

[Mark Ingram]

The INRA 5. We gonna open up our own nil. But you know this is going to the tie nation.

[Rob Stone]

That's usually the answer right there. I need some time. Let me make. What happened was let me make some kind of sound to buy myself some time. Huh? I always do this when I'm like, what's that? What did you say? Huh? One more time. Oh, I heard what you said. Let me get my. Huh.

[Mark Ingram]

You can hear you. Huh? You can hear.

[Rob Stone]

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