Heisman Hopeful LaNorris Sellers, South Carolina Preview, & Washington AD Pat Chun Talks Portal

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Triple Option – July 16, 2025 Episode

Title: Heisman Hopeful LaNorris Sellers, South Carolina Preview, & Washington AD Pat Chun Talks Portal
Hosts: Urban Meyer, Mark Ingram II, Rob Stone
Guests: Patrick Chun (Washington Athletic Director), LaNorris Sellers (South Carolina Quarterback)
Release Date: July 16, 2025

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1. Opening Discussions: Coaching Moves and Organizational Fit

The episode kicks off with hosts Urban Meyer, Mark Ingram II, and Rob Stone delving into recent developments in college football coaching, focusing particularly on Scott Frost’s remarks about not leaving UCF unless moving to a place where he can win a national title. Rob Stone references Frost’s comments:

Rob Stone [00:00]: "Let's say the halves turned into a win. That's eight wins and three losses."

Urban Meyer clarifies Frost’s actual statement, emphasizing the importance of fit and organizational culture in coaching decisions:

Urban Meyer [00:05]: "Oh, no. There's 12 games there, Stoner. There's 12 games, bro."

The hosts discuss the potential implications of Frost’s remarks on Nebraska and reflect on the challenges coaches face when transitioning between programs. Urban Meyer shares insights on the importance of loyalty and the potential pitfalls when coaches switch programs for perceived better opportunities, citing examples from his own experiences and those of peers like Billy Donovan.

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2. NIL Regulations and Deion Sanders' Perspective

A significant portion of the episode addresses the evolving landscape of Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) in college athletics. Deion Sanders, also known as Coach Prime, is featured providing his views on the current NIL framework:

Deion Sanders [06:23]: "I wish it was a cap. You know, like the top of the line player makes this, and if you're not that type of guy, you know you're not going to make that."

The discussion revolves around the need for a salary cap on NIL to ensure a level playing field across all college programs. Mark Ingram expresses support for Sanders' viewpoint, arguing that top programs like Georgia, Michigan, and Ohio State have significant advantages due to their substantial NIL investments:

Mark Ingram [07:41]: "Yeah, if you want equal, you know, opportunity for all our colleges, there should be a cap on the NIL."

Urban Meyer, however, remains skeptical about the feasibility and effectiveness of implementing such caps, noting the disparities between institutions:

Urban Meyer [08:21]: "I could care less. I mean, this is, I think the 780th time we've talked about this. So..."

The hosts agree that without a centralized cap, larger programs will continue to dominate the NIL landscape, making it increasingly difficult for smaller schools to compete.

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3. Interview with Washington AD Patrick Chun: Navigating the New College Football Environment

Guest: Patrick Chun, Washington Athletic Director
Timestamp: [13:10] – [29:55]

Patrick Chun joins the podcast from Alaska to discuss the multifaceted changes in college football, particularly in the wake of recent legislative settlements affecting NIL and the transfer portal. Urban Meyer initiates the conversation by expressing concerns about the effectiveness of the new College Football Commission, questioning its authority and ability to enforce regulations:

Urban Meyer [15:20]: "So in your mind, have you been led to believe that this will be different?"

Chun responds by outlining the structural changes introduced by the settlement, emphasizing that while the new commission brings some legal backing and arbitration processes, it still lacks comprehensive authority to overhaul long-standing issues within the NCAA framework:

Patrick Chun [15:21]: "This new entity does not have subpoena power. They still have the issues of litigation."

Chun advocates for a more holistic approach to restructuring the college football calendar and addressing the transfer portal’s impact on team stability and player development. He highlights the importance of aligning the football season with academic schedules and ensuring that player movement does not disrupt team cohesion during critical periods, such as playoffs and championships.

When discussing revenue sharing, Chun emphasizes Washington’s commitment to maintaining competitiveness across all sports without de-emphasizing non-revenue-generating programs:

Patrick Chun [22:04]: "But those dollars are, you know, acquired because of football."

The conversation also touches on the need for enhanced financial literacy programs to help student-athletes manage their earnings from NIL opportunities responsibly. Chun underscores the importance of preparing athletes for life beyond sports, aligning with Urban Meyer’s concerns about post-collegiate success.

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4. In-Depth Feature: LaNorris Sellers – South Carolina’s Rising Star

Guest: LaNorris Sellers, University of South Carolina Quarterback
Timestamp: [33:18] – [47:01]

The second major segment features an exclusive interview with LaNorris Sellers, South Carolina’s quarterback, who is emerging as a Heisman Trophy contender and a potential first-round NFL draft prospect. Sellers shares insights into his offseason, focusing on his training regimen and mental preparedness amidst increasing media attention and transfer offers.

Discussing his playing style, Sellers mentions his admiration for Cam Newton, aiming to emulate his dynamic and versatile approach on the field:

Lenora Sellers [34:30]: "Kind of emulate, I'll say Cam Newton, just because that was my favorite player."

As a freshman captain, Sellers reflects on the responsibilities and leadership qualities required to lead a team from such a pivotal position:

Lenora Sellers [34:45]: "I knew it was gonna happen. Be something I'd gotten better at."

Sellers also addresses the significant financial offers he received and his decision to remain committed to South Carolina. He emphasizes the importance of family support and the desire to build a lasting legacy within his hometown community:

Lenora Sellers [35:25]: "So, I started here, so we started something here. We built something good last year. This year we just built. Keep building that foundation."

The conversation delves into Sellers' personal life, including his relationship with his brother, Jaden, an incoming freshman wide receiver. Sellers highlights the balance he maintains between his athletic ambitions and personal interests, such as golf and jet skiing, to stay grounded amidst the pressures of high-profile athletics.

When asked about his expectations for the upcoming season, Sellers confidently states South Carolina’s aspirations for playoff contention:

Lenora Sellers [44:02]: "Definitely [playoff]."

He outlines the team's focus on maintaining high performance, avoiding complacency despite past successes, and continuously striving for excellence:

Lenora Sellers [44:35]: "We not, like, super high. And then we get, like, cocky, confident thinking, like, we're untouchable. We still understand and know that it's not easy to win..."

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5. Season Predictions: South Carolina’s Path Forward

Following the interviews, the hosts engage in a lively discussion predicting South Carolina’s performance for the upcoming season. They analyze the team’s schedule, highlighting key matchups and potential challenges:

Rob Stone [47:39]: "The regular season win total set at 7.5 by BetMGM."

Urban Meyer praises the South Carolina coaching staff and the players' potential, while acknowledging the difficulty of certain games, particularly against powerhouses like Alabama:

Urban Meyer [50:50]: "I like their coach, and I think it's the most underrated place in college football to play at stadium."

Mark Ingram lauds Sellers’ abilities, citing his unprecedented freshman achievements and drawing parallels to top-tier quarterbacks:

Mark Ingram [52:33]: "He was one of the first three freshmen in the history to throw for 2500 and rush for 500 as a true freshman."

The hosts conclude with optimistic predictions, pledging their support for Sellers and the Gamecocks, and humorously addressing routine podcast interactions as they recap the potential outcomes based on their analysis:

Mark Ingram [50:35]: "That sounds about right."

Rob Stone [53:25]: "Not good. I majored in England."

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6. Conclusion

The episode wraps up with the hosts reiterating their excitement for the upcoming season, encouraging listeners to follow their predictions and stay engaged with South Carolina’s journey. They also tease future segments and maintain a light-hearted tone, ensuring listeners remain entertained and informed.

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Notable Quotes:

• Rob Stone [00:05]: "There's 12 games there, bro. There's 12 games, bro."
• Deion Sanders [06:23]: "I wish it was a cap. You know, like the top of the line player makes this..."
• Patrick Chun [15:21]: "This new entity does have arbitration will lead down to a path where the final backstop is arbitration."
• Lenora Sellers [34:30]: "Kind of emulate, I'll say Cam Newton..."
• Lenora Sellers [44:35]: "We still understand and know that it's not easy to win..."

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This episode of The Triple Option offers a comprehensive look into the current challenges and developments in college football, featuring insightful interviews and engaging discussions that provide listeners with a deeper understanding of the sport's evolving landscape.

Transcript

[Rob Stone]

Let's say the halves turned into a win. That's eight wins and three losses.

[Urban Meyer]

Oh, no. There's 12 games there, Stoner. There's 12 games, bro.

[Rob Stone]

I do fuzzy math. The halves. I'm counting. Oh, you're right.

[Urban Meyer]

How do you spell Colgate?

[Rob Stone]

Col. I'll get back to you on that one. Welcome to the Triple option presented by Wendy's. Try Wendy's new frosty fusions with flavors like Caramel crunch, Oreo brownie and Pop Tart Strawberry. Light it, light it, hit it, all of it. Welcome. Triple option is back. Rob Stone, Urban Meyer, Mark Ingram, the second Deuce Deuce back here with you. Thanks as always for joining us. Thanks for joining us all season long, man. It's been fun to bring you the triple option. Please rate subscribe at Apple Podcasts, Spotify. Wherever you get your podcasts. You can also find us at social media 3x option. Show new episodes every Wednesday on YouTube. Wherever you get your podcast. Today we have not one, but we have two interviews. We're going to talk with Washington athletic director Patrick Chun about the battle over college football's calendar and its future with college athletics and the transfer portal and rev share all that good stuff. Also, Mark, you and I had a chance to talk with a name a lot of folks are going to be hearing about. We think this season. South Carolina quarterback Lenora Sellers. He's already in Heisman conversation. He's already in a round one NFL draft conversation.

[Mark Ingram]

But I'm a fan.

[Rob Stone]

I am, too. Let's begin down in the great state of Texas. Big 12 media days wrapped up recently. Couple interesting quotes from some of the coaches out there. We start with new lately and old UCF head coach Scott Frost. Here's his quote that caught a lot of people's attention. I wouldn't leave UCF unless it was someplace you could win a national title. I got tugged in a direction to try and help my alma mater, Nebraska, and didn't really want to do it. I'm lucky to get back to a place where I was a lot happier. Yeah, right. Ooh, coach. Ooh, coach. I know that one hit you because A, it's coaching fraternity, B, it's the state of Florida and C, you know dudes who've been in that position.

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah, we've all stood at the podium and you, you say something, you're like, ouch. Why did I say that? And you can't take it back. And I'm sure he'd want to take it back. I mean, that's I. If it's not meant to be. It's a direct shot at Nebraska. And, you know, I'm sure, you know, I know Scott Frost and hell of a coach, you know, and I've known him for a long time. So it just. That didn't go well. I actually had people send it to me and said, wow, look at this. And, you know, that's one of those ones. Would you want to take it back? Sure. So, although I will say this, Mark, that you do take jobs and you love to play. When I left Bowling Green and I went to Utah, I loved Bowling Green. I had a quarterback coming back and. And I can give you the reason why somewhere down the road, but. And then I get to Utah and all I keep hearing about is the Mormon this, the Mormon that. You can't recruit a. A black athlete. You can't do this. You know, I'm like going. I'm there and I start recruiting. And I remember my. Your mind starts playing games with you. I just left an incredible team and I'm starting to hear all this chatter and we're, you know, they're using that against us in recruiting. And I remember saying, I'm going to go back to Bowling Green. And I called Shelley and I said, I. We're not going to win here. I gotta. How do I, you know, your mind starts playing games with you. Of course, I didn't. I talked some people and all that thing, all that stuff about the Mormon, about the black cat, that's not true. Obviously, we. It's an incredible place. They're having a. You know, one of the top place in the country. However, I was also with Billy Donovan, Mark, when he was in Florida and he left to go to the Magic.

[Mark Ingram]

Came back, Came back.

[Urban Meyer]

Think about that. And then I was also with. Dan Dockich, is a basketball coach at Bowling Green. Hottest coach in America. He takes a job at West Virginia. I get a call about four days later and he said, this ain't what I thought it would be. I'm coming back. They both came back. So I get that. I get you sometimes put your feet down somewhere and you're like, oh, this ain't Kansas.

[Mark Ingram]

That's what they say. The grass ain't always greener.

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah.

[Rob Stone]

And it's the fit. Like, how many times have we seen somebody drop into some place? To your point, coach, you're like, I don't. That. That doesn't seem right. Right. That doesn't. It's. It's strange. Although I would say when I thought Scott Frost.

[Urban Meyer]

I mean, if there's Anybody right for Nebraska? The one person that's right for Nebraska, Scott Frost.

[Rob Stone]

Yeah. Seemed like a no brainer to me.

[Urban Meyer]

The one like so.

[Rob Stone]

And by the way, Matt rules. Got it going there in Lincoln. So Matt's just, Matt's just fine. I, I didn't take great offense to what Scott Frost said. It just, it raised my eyebrows like, oh, wow. I didn't think the situation at Nebraska was, was worthy of a comment. You know, it was more to me like, hey, man, I'm happy to be back at ucf. This is a place I had going. This was comfort. This works.

[Urban Meyer]

He's thinking just move on and you know, yeah, go coaches.

[Rob Stone]

Yeah. So he's, so he's super fired that we're bringing it back up again.

[Mark Ingram]

Hey, man, we got to cover the news.

[Rob Stone]

We do, we do.

[Mark Ingram]

We got to cover the news.

[Rob Stone]

Hey, UCF is going to be just fine with Scott Frost, by the way. I, I'm, I'm excited.

[Mark Ingram]

I'm hoping we make it down there.

[Rob Stone]

Like you remember when we made it down there last year. Mark.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah.

[Rob Stone]

I think you're still sweating from that trip.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah, yeah. I know not to wear a light color if we go there. No.

[Urban Meyer]

Mark.

[Rob Stone]

And these angel wings on the back of his jacket. I was like, what am I looking at, Mark? It was just wet wrapped around your T shirt. Right, Right.

[Mark Ingram]

On the Lando in September in a suit.

[Urban Meyer]

Who was the music person? We had, and he was sweating.

[Mark Ingram]

We had Khaled.

[Rob Stone]

We had DJ Khaled. And who was with DJ Khaled?

[Mark Ingram]

Fat Joe.

[Rob Stone]

Yes. Yes.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah.

[Urban Meyer]

And I mean sweating.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah, yeah.

[Urban Meyer]

Black leather or whatever. Oh, my goodness.

[Rob Stone]

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[Deion Sanders]

I wish it was a cap. You know, like the top of the line player makes this, and if you're not that type of guy, you know you're not going to make that. That's what the NFL does. So the problem is you got a guy that's not that darn good, but he could go to another school and they give him a half a million dollars and you can't, you can't compete with that. That don't make sense. And you talking about equality, not equality like equal. I Guess equality. And all you have to do is look at the playoffs and see what those teams spent and you understand darn their why they're in the playoffs. It's kind of hard to compete with somebody who's given 25, $30 million to a darn freshman class.

[Mark Ingram]

Right?

[Deion Sanders]

It is. It's crazy. We're not complaining because all these coaches up here could coach their butts off and give them the right opportunity with the right players in the play here and there you'll be there. But it's what's going on right now don't make sense. And we, we want to say stuff, but we're trying to be professional. But you're going to see the same teams during, at the end and with somebody who sneaks up in there, but the team that pays the more, pays the most is going to be that it.

[Rob Stone]

So Coach prime is basically saying, hey, let's find ourselves a salary cap for nil. At least that's the way it sounds like to me. So we have a level playing field across every entity in college athletics and college football markets. That sound right? Does that sound like something we should be doing?

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah, if you want equal, you know, opportunity for all our colleges, there should be a cap on the nil. Because if you look at the recent contenders in the playoffs, they have spent the most NIL money. Georgia, Michigan, Texas, Oregon, Ohio State, they're not shy about their nil investments. So if you want equal level playing field for all college football, then there should probably like there's a cap in rev.

[Patrick Chun]

Share.

[Mark Ingram]

There should be a cap in nil.

[Urban Meyer]

I, I have two thoughts. Number one, I thought that was one of the purposes of this entire settlement and everyone with a salary cap. And number two is I could care less. I mean, this is, I think the 780th time we've talked about this. So.

[Mark Ingram]

But it's still.

[Urban Meyer]

It will never happen. It will never happen because Colorado is not the same as Ohio State and Alabama and big market cities that have alumni that are willing to do that. But in the perfect world, you'd like it to be like the NFL, but it's not. It's like Major League Baseball. And we said this over and over again. Yeah, you got the starting left field of the Dodgers, left side of the infield, making more than most major league teams. That's going to happen.

[Mark Ingram]

So I don't foresee like Shohei.

[Rob Stone]

Yeah, well, Texas Tech isn't calling for a salary cap on nil. Things are going just fine down there in Lubbock. Right. Like, these are the rules. This is the way we're going to play it. And that's why I've been saying for months now, like, watch out for Texas Tech, man. We just talked about the Big 12. Texas Tech is now has year. Yeah. Hey, by the way, did you know, coach, that the Big 12 did away with the preseason rankings, like, who was going to come in first, second, last? Because remember, they had Arizona State last, last year and they end up going to the college football playoffs. So they did away with it. But everybody's kind of talking about Texas Tech. And we, you know, we talked to the head coach earlier. You know, they're the team to beat the Big 12. And watch out, man.

[Mark Ingram]

Tortillas.

[Rob Stone]

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[Urban Meyer]

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[Mark Ingram]

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[Rob Stone]

Welcome back to the Triple Option presented by Wendy's Urban Mark. Rob Stone back here with you. We have talked to commissioners and coaches and general managers post the House settlement. Now we take in the view from an athletic director's box. Washington AD Pat Chun. Welcome from the wilds of Alaska to the Triple option. You're out on a. Washington Are you out on a. What is this a fishing trip you're doing?

[Patrick Chun]

It's a. Well, the fishing is a part of action to go look at some bears today, but I'm with one of your old teammates, Brock Hewitt. And Brock, I'm learned, I've learned, is an exceptional outdoorsman.

[Rob Stone]

I don't know what that means, but that sounds good.

[Urban Meyer]

All right, Pat, dear friend, you know Mark and Rob, Pat and I worked together at Ohio State and we became very close friends, share a lot of the same beliefs about college football and building a team. So I talked to Pat the other day and I want to hit you with this because I've been doing some research on this. We talked to James Franklin, obviously the head coach of Penn State. I talked to the former Vice president of Enforcement, Julie Lashro of the nca. Now she's commissioner of a conference and she's terrific, by the way, a dear friend. And this, this thing is. That's intriguing to me that this new czar, the College Football Commission and I've spoke about it, my skepticism about it now that I am aware what it is. So in your mind, are you been led to believe that this will be different? And what I mean by different is the issue with the ncaa. There's lack of subpoena power and there is no everything gets litigated and everybody loses. So what does lack of subpoena power mean? People lie. It takes years to. You're seeing it right now with the Wolverines and other cases. I mean, what in the world. And so there's this feeling out there that I think is incorrect that things are going to be much different. First of all, the new czar is only in charge of the nil and the tampering from what I understand. So the old issues remain old issues with, with little to no enforcement. But the new College Football Commission does not have subpoena power. They still have the issues of litigation. Have you been led to believe that it will be different?

[Lenora Sellers]

So a couple things.

[Patrick Chun]

One, yeah. One, great to be with you guys. Two, Coach, full disclosure, when you work with Coach Meyer, you are his view of football does have a profound impact on how it shapes you and its purpose and what it can do for young people. To your question, Coach, I would just start the construct of what this new entity is, is different. Meaning it's an agreed upon settlement in a federal court. So at least there's some legal backing there. This new entity does have ARBIT will lead down to a path where the final backstop is arbitration. In arbitration there is discovery and subpoena power. In arbitration. I think those who have been around pro sports will tell you you'd never wanted to get to arbitration. That's always kind of the last, the last wal that there's no turning back from. But the reality is you have primarily the defendant conferences, which includes the Big Ten that agreed upon that agreed to the settlement. There'll be a new. There are new rules, new governance, new enforcement in and around this. I would sit here and say we have to make this work. I think we all live in this college football environment that is very disconnected and motivated for different reasons. But at the end of the day this is a good reset for college sports.

[Lenora Sellers]

Will it.

[Patrick Chun]

Is it a permanent solution? Probably not, but at least it takes us out of the past environment, which had zero regulations. And as I tell people, I don't know, a business that can survive in this world with zero regulations in and around how you support that environment.

[Urban Meyer]

I got one more question. I'll hand it off to Mark and Rob here is that we had a conversation the other day, and the transfer portal is a big topic right now. You and some of your colleagues feel very strongly about the window, and you shared that with me and I shared it with my colleagues, Rob and Mark and actually the Big Noon guys as well, because I think it's, it's intriguing. Mark, how about, how would you like to be. And they were through this at Pat, threw this at me. How'd you like to be playing for a national title or a major bowl game? And you have players in your team. You saw it at Penn State.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah.

[Urban Meyer]

The player leaves.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah.

[Urban Meyer]

You're in the playoffs. The player leaves. And he's not only a great player, great person, great leader, yet his hands are tied because he had to go. We're talking about the backup quarterback at Penn State. So Pat and his, Pat Chung and his colleagues are pushing for an April as opposed to the January. Please share this with your thoughts there, Pat.

[Patrick Chun]

So a couple things when I am sitting on the committee, this House Implementation Committee that's been put together to put this new environment together, and probably the last piece of the puzzle is this football calendar that we probably all need to have that we're actually, we are having some robust discussions about. I will say that when we met as a conference in the, in the springtime in Terrane at the Big Ten, we, we, we contemplated where the, you know, discuss all the merits of where the portal should be. I think we all, you know, our, our implementation committee came to consensus that there needs to be one singular portal sometime in the spring. And what, what I talked to coach about, and Coach will have a, a very unique lens in, in looking at this problem. Because, you know, you guys know Coach, you woke when he was, when he had the headsets. Every day he woke up, he thought about winning a national championship, period. But that type of thinking layers into how you manage every day, how you manage recruiting, how you manage game planning. I mean, it goes into, like when you wake up every day, and that is the goal of your program. You also want to have an environment that puts you in the best position to be able to work with your team. So when you talk about where the portal should be, I think there are a couple things that have to be discussed. Number one is this new settlement does put a, a little bit more focus on what's called progress toward degree. So to be eligible to, to receive revenue share from your athlete, from your athletic department, whether you know, whether it's your freshman year, sophomore year, junior year, you have to have enough credits at the end of the year, which is, nor, which is a current rule anyways. The second piece of it is I think we have to have an introspective look at this game that we're, that we're all a part of. Is all this player movement that is happening in December, maybe in January, is it good for the game? I think that's the question. Like, is that a principle that's important to us as, as caretakers of this game? Because I know this. And being around, being around Coach Meyer is man, come December, come January, like you want to be at your absolute best as a team, like that's the goal. And wore that. And to be able to go through that and get to the finish line, win or lose and how that sets you apart for the rest of your life is a significant thing. But also as a sport, if we're not prioritizing the playoffs, the national championship game, the postseason, and not have all this player movement happening because it's not great for, it's terrible for the player. It's, it's, I think it puts the coaches that are participating in the playoffs in an odd spot. We've all lived in this world where there's opt outs for bowl games, you know, opted outs for the playoffs. I think that, that, that's a second piece of it. And the third piece of it is we have, we have quarters, semesters, March is a spring break month. As I told coach, January, there's NFL declaration day. We're also in this new environment where everyone has to be smarter about how they spend money in revenue share in this cap environment, which is a critical piece. So you need roster certainty and we all know this, like pick your sport. The school like in the pro level, the teams that draft and develop better are the ones that win long term. College football still the same. The coaches that identify recruitment now retain, because we kind of live in this one year world are the coaches that, that theoretically will continue to win. If you look at the last four teams that played for the national championship this last year, Ohio State, Notre Dame, the previous year, Michigan and us at Washington, I mean they're the, I think they're one and two, the oldest teams in college football because they had retention. Yeah, they went to the portal and got you know, we would not have got where we went to without Michael Penix, but the core of that team stayed together. They're actually Chris Peterson recruits at the end of the day. So when you piece it all together, I think the portal piece is such a critical piece. As we talk about player retention, as we talk about recruiting, and then go to the quote unquote free agent market sometime later in the spring, we got to rethink our football calendars. We've seen spring football change right before our eyes. A lot of coaches aren't using it for what it was. But I also will throw this. And my final thought is, you know, we failed in college football because we keep tweaking and tweaking the old environment. I think with this revenue, with, with this, with this house settlement, we got to take a holistic view of what is the calendar and how do we set ourselves up for success in college football.

[Mark Ingram]

You mentioned the challenges of the rev share and what that presents, you know, with Washington joining one of the highest revenue conferences in the Big Ten. How do you balance investing in football and those major money making sports and, you know, with making sure UW remains competitive and strong across all the Olympic sports?

[Patrick Chun]

Well, one, I think the day I've told our coaches this and you pick the school, it's schools that win at football win at all sports. So I think it's one thing, it's cultural within an athletic department that it's pervasive. There's a championship mentality. You hire the right coaches that understand how to recruit young people that can be successful on your campus. So, yes, we're like many schools in the Big Ten and in the power four that a lot of those dollars will go towards football. But those dollars are, you know, acquired because of football. Because, you know, look at the Big Ten. Our great partnership with Fox is a big reason why, you know, we're financially viable like we are. But it's not going to put a de emphasis on what we do with those other sports at a place like Washington. We're used to, you know, we're, we're built to win, that we compete for national championships. But I don't think, yeah, the dollars may flow to different sports, but the, the focus on winning and the merits of winning don't change at places like Washington.

[Rob Stone]

Pat, I want to go back to the transfer portal. To the layman, it seems kind of clear, like, yeah, we need less transfer windows and we need to push it back because programs should not be forced to make these decisions while they're still competing but obviously it hasn't happened yet. So there's pushback. So what is the pushback out there to changing these dynamics right now?

[Patrick Chun]

I think one is just, just, just one, just maybe we are an industry that's slow to change. I think too there's also advantages. You know, if I'm competing against an urban coach team, yeah I want a transfer portal open because I want coach to be, have, have disruption on his roster as he's trying to go compete for a national championship. And I'm looking at the guys that aren't playing for Coach Meyer because you know, because you have future NFL quarterbacks sitting the bench that aren't getting playing time if you're on a Coach Meyer roster. So I think that that may be one piece of it is we're ultra competitive in this industry. I think that's why we may want to just take a pause and do what's right for the sport. Meaning that you know, like pick like there should be nothing more important than crowning a champion and the end really the spotlight of the sport needs to be on those competing in the playoffs and the championships. Finish the year and then start a new year. But I would just put it. It's just everyone has different motivations in our sport. We're also slow to change. It's really been the problem of college football. But I know us myself here at Washington, many of my colleagues in the Big Ten, we're ready to try to position the sport is in the best possible position we can put it in.

[Urban Meyer]

Last, last thing comment and slash question for you is. And you're with me Pat. And the real life Wednesdays and our focus on life after sport and if you had to ask me, you know that one of the things that really bothers me about the game and the game's great right now, it's on the field is as good as it's ever been. Coaching the plane, it's never been better. The fan support, the viewership, however, the residual damage and Mack Brown said it earlier that nil is going to run out and you see these big numbers and I players in my mind should have got paid a long time ago.

[Rob Stone]

Yeah.

[Urban Meyer]

But what I'm really struggling with even talking to you. No one talks about academics getting a life after football because you know and I'm because I know I see my former players there. There's nothing worse than have a 29 year old man that gave his heart to us at the University of Florida Ohio State and he's unhirable because the university and coaching staff and the parents, et cetera, did not force this guy to, you know, to go get a job to get prepared for life after sport. I am. So that's what I loved about college football. There's no better feeling in real life Wednesday to see Archie Gifford's son get that job with fidelity. Or, you know, you see these players get these jobs because they went through the, the program as opposed to, you see Zeke Elliott and Joey Bose. I get that. But that's a small number of people, man. And so I just get so pissed off sometimes and I'm like, what about the other 85% of these athletes that are making decisions for $8,000 and they're going to leave a school because some agents telling them to. I get the Mark Ingrams of the world. I understand that and that's great. But you know what? Mark Ingrams are hard to find.

[Patrick Chun]

Yeah.

[Urban Meyer]

And Mark Ingrams aren't the problem. The problems are me are the ones that are being ill advised. So there's I'm ran and raid a little bit about that. I just, I hope the world doesn't forget you want to solve all problems. I'll take a team full of all graduates and all guys that have jobs over three or four guys that are making 20 million and everyone else is a mess. I hope that doesn't get lost. And I know you agree with that, Pat and Mark, I just had to get off my chest.

[Mark Ingram]

I appreciate you.

[Urban Meyer]

I hope we don't lose that man.

[Mark Ingram]

I appreciate you using my name in a positive light, Coach.

[Patrick Chun]

Just a historical reminder. Coach Meyer did that in year one. He took a 6 and 7 team and made him undefeated the next year because he had a bunch of young guys that just wanted to go, go figure out how to be the best they could be. And that, that's really the magic, I would say one of them. You know, I obviously have a great love and admiration for coach, but man, to be under the hood and watch him, you know, those real life Wednesdays, all those things he did that no one ever talks about that he did to try to just get the most out of his guys, it's really a fascinating thing to be a part of. And really it's, it's really where the beauty of college football comes into place is when you have, you know, these environments that really try to get the most out of young people.

[Rob Stone]

Pat, your university, other universities around the country are paying these teenagers, they're paying teenagers thousands if not millions of dollars. What is the university's responsibility to them in managing those funds.

[Patrick Chun]

Significant responsibility. Like, we do not want to come in the springtime and have one of our young people with a tax issue on tax day. So we're like many schools, I can speak to Washington. We have a very, very thorough student athlete development program that includes financial literacy, tax education, repetitive education on those pieces. So. But it's, you know, it's one of those things. And you know, Mark, you played in the pro level and you've probably seen a lot of horror stories, but we got it. We have to educate our young people on how to manage their money earlier than ever. And I think it's a huge priority on our campus and my hope is huge priority throughout college athletics.

[Mark Ingram]

Pat, man, we really appreciate your time, but I just. We've talked about the many different things, the different issues, different problems in college athletics today. But if you could snap your fingers and fix one system wide issue in college athletics today, what would it be?

[Patrick Chun]

Wow. Good question. I, I do.

[Rob Stone]

I.

[Patrick Chun]

The longer I'm in this. I do think we, we do need some type of commissioner or someone with authority from one singular seat to help with the sport. I always joke around Chris Peterson, who's still in Seattle, that if I, when I mention his name for that, it's not because I don't respect him and care for him because that's a horrible thing to put on somebody that, to run college football. But we need someone that cares about the sport and understands what the purpose of the sport is for the long term, health of it. It's the second most popular game in this country, you know, and, and for it to get to this place is really a byproduct of how compelling the games are and all the stories that come with it. But to me, as we keep, as we keep evolving as a sport, you could see the need for one, one person to have authority. I don't know if we could ever get there just because the way we're structured.

[Rob Stone]

By the way, thanks for doing this interview in what looks like a sauna. I, I like. It's the temperature at like 100.

[Patrick Chun]

It's a cabin. It's a cabin.

[Mark Ingram]

It's an Alaska cabin. Heaven, man.

[Rob Stone]

Looks super spacious. All right, good luck on. On the bears. Bring some bear spray with you just in case. Make a lot of noise. I think you're supposed to like have a bell around you or something.

[Patrick Chun]

I'm a slow person, so I'm in trouble. We'll just put it that way.

[Rob Stone]

Yeah, you just gotta be faster than the next.

[Patrick Chun]

Exactly, exactly.

[Rob Stone]

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[Mark Ingram]

Lenoris, he got that panoramic roof that nil. You know, the big man on campus, he making that, that, that money.

[Lenora Sellers]

I appreciate it. I appreciate it.

[Rob Stone]

Hey, how, how's this off season been for you with all the, the chatter about you moving up the NFL draft boards and the talk about other universities coming after you? How, how have you been able to manage all that this summer?

[Lenora Sellers]

I mean, really just not focusing on it too much. Still got workouts, still gotta train, still got the workout and do all that stuff. So, I mean, yes, talks and I hear it, but I'm not really worried too much about it.

[Mark Ingram]

I love that, man. I watched you, man. I heard about you. But then I saw you, you went to Tuscaloosa, man, and almost pulled one off on us. And I was like, all right, I'm more willing to, you know, have him on the podcast. Interviewing since he ain't going there and beat up on us too bad. But, man, oh, you were the third freshman in history alongside Jalen Hurts and Johnny Manziel to throw over for 2,500 yards and rush for over 500 yards, man. So a big arm, elusive, got size smarts. Who would you say you, Emil, like Your playing style. Who's your playing style?

[Lenora Sellers]

Kind of emulate, I'll say Cam Newton, just because that was my favorite player. I watched him all the time growing up and stuff, so.

[Mark Ingram]

And you were captain as a freshman. Dog like that. Not too many times as a fresh. A true freshman come in and be a captain. What did that mean to you, that responsibility?

[Lenora Sellers]

It means a lot. I knew coming into college, being a quarterback, you have to step into that leadership role, open up a little bit more. I don't really like to talk too much, but just do that and step into that role and do that. I knew it was gonna happen. Be something I'd gotten better at. So.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah.

[Lenora Sellers]

That's awesome.

[Rob Stone]

I've really enjoyed your story and your dad, Lenoris, whose name is Norris. I'm assuming that's where Lenoris came from, right? Mom and pop just added a law in front of it.

[Lenora Sellers]

Well, my mom hated my dad's name, so my aunt was like, just ask LA in front of the changes.

[Mark Ingram]

She don't like Norris, but she loves la Norris.

[Rob Stone]

Yeah, but she loves Loud. I love that. I love that. So. So your dad, you know, made. Made some headlines this off season talking about a program out there that. That offered you a ton of money. But. But I really love the response that he had and that you had in that. You know, you guys just kind of give off the vibe that you're in a good place and we don't need the money to. To mess with things. Am I reading that correctly?

[Lenora Sellers]

Yes, sir.

[Rob Stone]

So what. What went into that decision? Why is this such a good place.

[Lenora Sellers]

For you, just as close to home? My parents come to all my games. I can still go home for holidays, like Christmas, Thanksgiving and all that. If I ever need something, I can just shoot up the road home. If they want to just come up here, just get away from home, they can come to me. So, I mean, around all my family and all, that's all I need. So you're.

[Rob Stone]

You're in the off season right now. What. What have been some of the priorities for you as far as what elements of the game you want to improve on?

[Lenora Sellers]

Just the small things like anticipation, footwork and all that. Just building off those mistakes from last year, just trying to fix them and get better at them for this year?

[Mark Ingram]

75 yard rushing TD, man. Like, when the play breaks down, like, what's your go to move, man? Like you trying to break the pocket and like, taking 75 yards like you had last year, you trying to, you know, hit the deep ball, like, what's going through your mind when the play breaks down.

[Lenora Sellers]

True. It's just, I mean whatever's there, like I'm getting out of trouble, find my way out of trouble and then just try to make something happen. Somebody down the field. I'll throw it. If everybody covered and it's open grass, I'm gonna run it.

[Rob Stone]

So rather run or throw?

[Lenora Sellers]

Shoot. I don't have a preference really. Just really whatever it takes in that moment.

[Mark Ingram]

QB one answer for sure. And you're getting a lot of attention, a lot of spotlight, man. Everyone says they want the spotlight, everyone says they want the limelight, but you know, it comes with a lot. And so what's something that like behind the scenes that, that you do that.

[Lenora Sellers]

Nobody sees, man, when I'm away from it, like I actually try to get away from it. So like we have may off. So I try not to do like. I think I had some stuff that first week in May, which like the first week we had off and then the last week before we went back is when I started like doing football stuff. So that two to three weeks in between, like I didn't do any football. Like trying not to watch any football, but it's just. It's second nature. You have to watch some.

[Mark Ingram]

Yes sir.

[Lenora Sellers]

I didn't like throw or anything. Like I just. We went to Miami and just spent some time up there on the beach and all that. Played golf, jet ski, stuff like that.

[Mark Ingram]

So you a golfer?

[Lenora Sellers]

Yeah.

[Mark Ingram]

You play for real? Next time. Next time you die.

[Lenora Sellers]

I don't keep score, so don't ask me my handicap or none of that.

[Mark Ingram]

But if you're a real golfer, we got to get you a handicap, man.

[Lenora Sellers]

Yeah. So I'm going to start keeping score and all that just to see where I'm at, but.

[Mark Ingram]

Okay. Okay.

[Rob Stone]

For some people in Norris, golf is the handicap. Let's. Let's go way back. And I. I know you've got some soccer in your DNA from. From the early days. What. What drew you to that sport?

[Lenora Sellers]

Just really. My dad, he told us we could either do soccer or like ballet and dance. So I chose a soccer athletic route.

[Rob Stone]

Nothing in between soccer or ballet and dance.

[Lenora Sellers]

His birth foot. Footwork stuff, he said. So I'm an officer. I'm with you. Soccer.

[Mark Ingram]

Have to over ballet, man. You 6, 4, 200 and what, £40?

[Lenora Sellers]

Yeah.

[Mark Ingram]

Doing tip. No tiptoe dancing like that.

[Rob Stone]

Your. Your brother Jaden is going to be a freshman wide receiver this season. So. So tell me what it's going to be like a to have him around you even more. And also tell me about the genesis of his nickname, Sue.

[Lenora Sellers]

It's good to be back around him. It's been like two years since I spent, like, consistent time with him. So, I mean, it's good to have him back up here. Now he right down the road from me. He can come to my apartment if he needs some, like his washer and dryer book. So he had to use mine. And then so it's like whenever he needs something, he right there. But then my high school coach just started calling him Puppy just because he was smaller. He was just like a puppy. Like, didn't know what was going on. He started it and he just kept it from there.

[Mark Ingram]

So I see you got the goggles, man. I read something that, you know, you kind of got the specs, man. You got a nickname that everybody call you or what?

[Lenora Sellers]

Goggles, Four aspects, whatever, whatever.

[Mark Ingram]

Are you wearing goggles under your helmet?

[Lenora Sellers]

I did, but I want the contacts.

[Mark Ingram]

Okay, okay. Okay.

[Rob Stone]

Let's hit a couple South Carolina type questions. I'm going to go way back. George Rogers, what does he mean to the state? What does he mean to South Carolina football?

[Lenora Sellers]

I'm a lot. I mean, first Heisman, super good. I didn't know much about him until I got there, but I mean, he won Heisman, so he obviously did somebody.

[Mark Ingram]

Right? Right.

[Lenora Sellers]

His name everywhere.

[Rob Stone]

He's still affiliated with the university. Right. Do you have interactions with him?

[Lenora Sellers]

I think I talked to him like once or twice, like before, after a game or something like that.

[Mark Ingram]

George Rogers is the man. He's good people, man.

[Rob Stone]

He's got a statue, he's got a road named after him. That means you've done something right in life. Speaking of that, your head coach, Shane Beamer, he had this quote the other day, and this is about you. He knows what he means to the state. Lenoris has a chance to leave a legacy here. So what do you mean to the state? And what do you think about when coach says those words about you?

[Lenora Sellers]

I mean, I play for the school, so a lot of people either fans of Soccer Line or Clemon, and I think we got a good bit of fans. So, I mean, I think I mean a lot to them just for just playing football, being a quarterback just like everybody else on the team, and then leaving the legacies like my hometown, my home state down the road from everything, know pretty much everybody. So there's something to be remembered by after I leave here.

[Mark Ingram]

I know we talked about this earlier, man, but I think, you know a huge number with 8 million allegedly got offered to you to go ahead and leave. And in this day and age of people just playing at three different universities, chasing the bag, man, you stood on loyalty. Man, you stood on loyalty. And that's rare to find these days. Like, I think you handle that situation with a lot of maturity and I have a lot of respect for you. Like, how do you stay locked in with so much noise around you and somebody throwing, you know, almost 10 figures at you to come leave a school and. But you stayed grounded, stay principal, focused on, you know, the task at hand, being where your feet are, being there right now. I'm just. I'm just intrigued at your mindset and what made you make that decision.

[Lenora Sellers]

I mean, I started here, so we started something here. We built something good last year. This year we just built. Keep building that foundation. I'd rather stay here and keep doing all that and it goes somewhere and have to start over and build another foundation, if that makes sense.

[Mark Ingram]

It makes a lot of sense. Yep. And I know you talked about repping your hometown of Florence, man. How important is it for you to rep your hometown? And like, do you feel pressure or is it all pride? What do you feel about that?

[Lenora Sellers]

It's just exciting. It's like super rare. I won't say it's like. It's like rare like one every 10 years, but it's like, rare enough to go play for SEC Division 1 football already as it is. And then it's like just to do it from Florence, it's like, you know, it's other guys like Jordan Birch, Xavier Thomas, those guys, for example, they're from Florence, South Carolina too, and they're in the NFL now. So it's just like just keeping that train going just to keep giving kids in the city hope, stuff like that.

[Rob Stone]

So what was your highlight from last season?

[Lenora Sellers]

Something game.

[Rob Stone]

Which element about it besides beating them in Death Valley?

[Lenora Sellers]

Just really like the atmosphere. It's a hostile environment already as it is. It was a good defensive game. It's like it was like an SEC game. They were ACC team, they won the SEC championship and all that, but it's just like another SEC game. Low scoring game. Came down to the fourth quarter, last two minutes of halftime. And the fourth quarter is the two most important parts of the game. And that's where we showed up in our biggest moment.

[Rob Stone]

Nine wins last season. You guys beat Texas A and M, Missouri and as we just mentioned, Clemson. So what are the expectations in the locker room for this upcoming season for the Gamecocks?

[Lenora Sellers]

Just to keep winning no matter who we play. We know it's not going to be easy. You know, last year they got a tape or whatever, but we just got to keep it up, bring it again this season. Don't underestimate them. Just because we beat him last year.

[Rob Stone]

Is it fair to say college football playoffs is in the conversation for South Carolina this season?

[Lenora Sellers]

Definitely.

[Rob Stone]

Why?

[Lenora Sellers]

I mean, you saw we could do last year. He was four to five plays away, a couple mistakes away. We understand that it's a small margin for error, so he just learned from that last year, like I said.

[Mark Ingram]

I know you said you don't like to talk, man, but you captain as a true freshman, you're a leader. What is something that you should. What is something that South Carolina fans should know, you know, that you think they should know about you, that you think they should know about this team coming up into this next season, we're still hungry.

[Lenora Sellers]

We not, like, super high. And then we get, like, cocky, confident thinking, like, we're untouchable. We still understand and know that it's not easy to win and to win nine games. Like you should have had 10 wins in the bowl game, but it's hard to get 10 wins playing at any school. So, I mean, the harder you understand what it takes. We know what it takes, and we're just going to go work to get that.

[Mark Ingram]

I know you said, you mentioned how important it was for you to leave a legacy for the youth and inspire the youth. If you could leave one message for young kids dreaming of being in your shoes, what would that be?

[Lenora Sellers]

Don't be afraid to make mistakes. If you don't make mistakes, there's nothing to learn from. So as long as you keep learning day by day, year by year, whatever, take in what you can take in.

[Mark Ingram]

I love it. I love it.

[Rob Stone]

Good advice, man. Lenores, enjoy the rest of the off season. We cannot wait to see you this upcoming season. Your second, really? Your second season with the Gamecock Center. Center man. Lenore Sellers. Thanks for joining us. Congrats. Enjoy the summer, and we look forward to seeing you more next season.

[Lenora Sellers]

Yes, sir. Thank y'. All.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah, appreciate you, bro. Appreciate your time. For you, dog. Until you play my Tide, I'm rooting for you. Until you play Belmont.

[Rob Stone]

Are you. Are you a homeowner now in Columbia?

[Lenora Sellers]

Yeah, I am.

[Rob Stone]

What goes. Do you live there? Do you. Do you have it for mom or for dad?

[Lenora Sellers]

No, I'll stay there. I'm moving officially. Still paying rent on my apartment, so I'm gonna just stay there. And then once I'll have to pay rental apartment, I'm slowly with my stuff in there and I'll move in before fall camp because after that it's gonna be like time to go.

[Mark Ingram]

So look, that man got assets already, man. He got assets already.

[Rob Stone]

Will. Will Jalen come in with you? Or this is. This is. Or Jaden. Will this or this will be just yours?

[Lenora Sellers]

He asked you. I'll still thinking and deciding on what I want to do with that.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah, that's.

[Rob Stone]

You make him pay a little rent.

[Lenora Sellers]

Oh, yeah, 100. You're not living for free.

[Mark Ingram]

Chip in on his mortgage.

[Rob Stone]

Oh, man. Well, as long as you got a good washer and dryer, Jade might be interested. Right?

[Mark Ingram]

You know, hey, you know he gonna be over there. Yeah, he gonna be over there.

[Rob Stone]

You might as well charge him on the front end.

[Mark Ingram]

Yep, for sure. For sure. Well, we appreciate you, man. Blessings to you. Great season. Like I said, we rooting for you till you play Bama.

[Lenora Sellers]

All right. Yeah. Appreciate it.

[Mark Ingram]

Yes, sir.

[Rob Stone]

The triple option crystal ball is brought to you by BetMGM. BetMGM is giving you the chance to win a prize every day during the baseball season. Step into the batter's box for BetMGM's swing for the fences free to play game. Visit BetMGM app to access the game and you will score a prize if you hit a single, double, triple or a home run. So after that conversation with Lenores, we said, well, let's keep the ball rolling with the Gamecocks. We're taking out our crystal ball. We're going to talk South Carolina. Where's the crystal ball, Tiny? It's. It blends in. It's right next to the Wendy's football. The win total regular season win total set at 7.5 by BetMGM.

[Mark Ingram]

Oh, that hook.

[Rob Stone]

They love the hook. You can get the over for plus 110, the under for minus 135. So again, the magic number is seven and a half. Last season, nine and three lost to Illinois in the Citrus Bowl. They won six straight to conclude the season before that bowl loss ranked wins over Texas A and M, Missouri, and to close the regular season against Clemson, some of the losses. LSU by three, got blown out by Ole Miss by 24. And at Alabama, they only lost by two. All right, so let's take a look at the South Carolina schedule. And guys, I've come prepared today. It only took me all season to get a whiteboard. All right, here we go, South Carolina. I'm going to track it. And I got. I Got a tweak. So they open up in Atlanta against Virginia Tech. Win, loss or a half. Okay, wow. All right, South Carolina State, come in. Vanderbilt, come in. Win at Mizzou, win. I know. I'm with you on that one. Verse. Kentucky, win.

[Urban Meyer]

That's at Home Dub.

[Rob Stone]

Yeah. Okay. At lsu. Verse.

[Urban Meyer]

Oklahoma, home, win. Okay, with that, Mark.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah, I'll take a win, though. I'll take a win.

[Rob Stone]

Wow, you guys are really high on them. Okay. All right. Verse Alabama. Mark, go ahead and put that in the lost column for you.

[Mark Ingram]

I know that's freaking. I know that's a tricky place to play.

[Rob Stone]

It is. At Ole Miss. At Ole Miss, payback. Half. Half. At Texas A M, half. Coastal Carolina versus Clemson. So home to Clemson.

[Urban Meyer]

Oh, L. What do you got?

[Rob Stone]

Home to Clemson.

[Mark Ingram]

Home to Clemson.

[Rob Stone]

I don't know.

[Mark Ingram]

They beat Clemson last year.

[Rob Stone]

I know they did. I know they did. All right, all right. I'm giving the L. All right, so here we got two halves. So let's say. Let's say the halves turn into a win. That's eight wins and three losses. If the halves turn into losses, we're at seven and four.

[Mark Ingram]

But with Lenores at the quarterback, the.

[Rob Stone]

Win is seven and a half. The regular season win total, seven and a half.

[Mark Ingram]

We have seven wins over there. Right. And then.

[Rob Stone]

But we need the hook.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah. I'm thinking Lenore Sellers. With those three losses in those two halves, I'm thinking Lenore Sellers makes up and gets a win.

[Urban Meyer]

Okay, there's 12 games there, Stoner. There's 12 games, bro.

[Rob Stone]

Yeah, yeah, I'm. I know. I do fuzzy math. The halves. I'm counting. Oh, you're right. No, no, no. Yeah, you're right. I'm counting him. I'm gonna give him both his wins. So that'd be a nine and a three. Apparently, my. My board concept is not working out as great as I thought it would.

[Urban Meyer]

How do you spell Colgate?

[Rob Stone]

C, O, L. I'll get back to you on that one. So ideally, their best they can do according to you guys, is 9 and 3, 7. Or it could be 7 and 5. Yeah, that sound about right.

[Mark Ingram]

I got them going over there. I got them going over seven and a half because of the little.

[Urban Meyer]

I do, too.

[Rob Stone]

Yeah.

[Urban Meyer]

And I like their coach. Hey, Mark, I'm going to say this too. I like their coach, and I think it's the most underrated place in college football to play at stadium.

[Mark Ingram]

Play there. That's why you said that. Alabama at Williams. Bryce, I was number one in the country. Went to South Carolina, we got ambushed. So that's not easy place to go play. And with Lenore Sellers and then Dylan Stewart on the opposite side. I like this team to win over seven and a half games.

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah, I agree.

[Rob Stone]

Shane Beamer, you talked about it. Coach, fifth year at South Carolina. Of course we know his dad, Frank Beamer, legendary hokey head coach against South Carolina. Virginia Tech opened up the season in Atlanta, nine wins last year, lost a lot, five the year before. Right. And then eight and seven in his first two seasons. So South Carolina. You know what's interesting, coach about South Carolina. And it goes back to the old ball coach, your buddy Steve Spurrier. South Carolina. Four double digit win seasons in school history. Three of them though came back in the early, you know, 2011, 2013 under.

[Urban Meyer]

Coach Spurrier and prior to him, Lou Holtz had a couple eight, nine win seasons. But that is one that's just that that to me, you stick South Carolina another conference digit wins more often. They're just stuck in a tough ass conference, man. And I, I'm telling you, I think that's one of the great places to go. Not as opposing coach, I used to hate going there. But great, great, great fans, great stadium.

[Rob Stone]

One of those programs. I think that it falls mark into that pool of teams where you could say, boy, they are this close. Like Ole Miss has kind of been there the last couple years and they've gotten a little lane Elaine push in that environment, South Carolina feels like they're right there as well.

[Urban Meyer]

Yep, yep.

[Mark Ingram]

And with that quarterback, man, I think they got a shot. I'm a real big fan of Lenore Sellers, man. He was what, one of the first three freshmen in the history to throw for 2500 and rush for 500 as a true freshman.

[Rob Stone]

Kid can run, man. And he looks the part, doesn't he? Like on the field, stepping off the bus.

[Mark Ingram]

Similar to similar. He said he, he looked up Scam Newton, built Tim Tebow Scam Newton, you know, built like big dude, could run, could throw the ball. Great head on his shoulders, man. We talked to the young brother, man. He's bright and kind of really humble and grounded. I'm a fan of Lenore Sellers and I'm, I'm rooting for him except for when he plays Alabama.

[Rob Stone]

I got it, I got it. I'm rooting for, man. Follow subscribe rate us on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your mama, as well as across social media 3X operations show. Thank you to our sponsors, Wendy's Nitza Zip, Recruiter and BET MGM. And I promise, guys, next season, the board. The board will be better. I'll do better with the board.

[Mark Ingram]

No, a better crystal ball.

[Urban Meyer]

Colgate.

[Rob Stone]

Crystal ball. It's gonna erase everything. Right now, it's a mess.

[Mark Ingram]

That math was not math.

[Rob Stone]

Not good. I majored in England.